I think he touched the biggest issue with the 300$ skins briefly, its simply the fact that people have shown they are willing to buy it. Riot would have absolutely no problem making proffit off of a 50-80$ skin at all, but they dont have to sell it cheap they can sell it for insane prices simply because people will buy the skins regardless.
I think his argument is strange and he just doesn't mind the price as much as others. I dont really get why he bothered to make this particular argument cause it's not really resonant. The figures he cites are totally from his ass, and while the production costs are likely high this is more than likely due to staffing costs, but i also can't imagine that maintenance costs number in the 10s of millions AND requires this level of nickel and diming. We can look to the MMO model to see that this model is EXTREMELY profitable specifically because maintenance is not as costly as novel production. I think it especially is a hollow argument when he argues the price is reasonable while constantly calling it ludicrous. The only thing that matters for the price is how much are people willing to pay. The goal isn't for the company to make BACK it's money, the goal is for it to make exponentially more money. Since we don't have exact numbers for how much Riot actually spends on TFT maintenance any argument for or against pricing is at the end of the day a person expressing what they're willing to spend and says nothing about why Riot priced it other than they figure most are willing to pay it.
It's too bad the first 5 minutes of the video had to be listening to BoxBox glaze Riot as if a company that makes billions is struggling to survive. Loot box systems are inherently predatory behavior by companies even if the rewards aren't necessary to play the game. It's too bad this shit has been normalized.
It’s naive to say Riot is “sustaining” TFT with expensive skins. They are a business and will squeeze out whatever profit they can for their shareholders. My point is, Please don’t contradict people who complain about this pricing spike - consumers should push against this type of behavior from big businesses.
Boxbox probably doesnt read comments but hes so wrong about 400 dollar skins making tft sustainable🤣 the game on mobile alone profits over 10million (thats after expenses) they do it because they know the few people will buy expensive skins will pay any amount of money so they price the expensive skins at whatever they want
Hey guys any tips or advice? Been at my low lately. Failing grades in college, parents arguing, relationship going down i really don’t know what to do. Sometimes i just want to end it all
Just enjoy the little things bud, find something that you enjoy doing and stick at it, learn a new skill or reach out to some close friends - hope it gets better for you bud
I think theres an error with the subtitles in the beginning. At 0:02 the sub says "The game's just bad", but it sounded more like saying "I think im just bad" or something similar, which would make more sense with the context when i watched his stream.
Assuming it's AWS as server backend, using their calculator, say you need 10,000 compute instance and 100TB of db that'd net around 50k per month, which is nothing. Even if let's say 50 ppl work with TFT and averages around 100k per month each that's 5 mil per month. These are already ridiculous numbers, I couldn't imagine how you reach "tens of millions per month"
10 Rebels comp is easier to hit since there are 8 rebel units, unlike enforcers with only 7. 3 spat prismatic traits should always be better than 2 spat prismatic. This is why 10 Enforcer or 9 Conqueror is (or should theoretically be) better than 10 rebels. 10 Enforcer is extremely overtuned tho, if you were to compare it to 9 Conqueror (the other 3 spat prismatic). It's also probably due to how combat-heavy it is. 9 Conqueror has to be balanced around both cash out and stats, unlike 10 Enforcer which only has stats, and as a compromise, have the gimmick of taking items.
they have cheap skins you can get in tft so just let people who wanna spend money on the expensive ones do that you just sound petty if you complain about expensive cosmetics in general but even more when if you wanna spend just a little bit and look cool you can get a good little legend map and boom for 20-30 bucks
I don’t see why people get so upset over the skins when there are companies selling gameplay mechanics for similar prices. Doesn’t matter how expensive a skin is if it has 0 impact on the game in my opinion.
They do it in a predatory gambling system to take advantage of people’s weakness, and with time it just means that cosmetics are gonna be less and less available to the general public.
... Riot reported a total revenue of 84 million for Q3 2024. TFT does not cost them HUNDREDS of millions to produce. Maybe stop talking about stuff when you don't know what you're talking about.
Don't have to gluck-gluck riot that much, they definitely would make profit with cheaper skins as well, but they want to maximize the money earned hence the gatcha system. These systems are designed to extract the most money from people, not to not lose money. It's awful that almost every game has these or worse predatory mechanics don't need to advocate for them as well
tft does not cost 10s of millions of dollars per set to make. i really enjoy watching your content boxbox but the way you glorify this unblanced cash grab to your audience is crazy.
"i promise you that riot cannot hold this game without the overpriced skins" How do you think league itself survived for 10 years buddy, and now tft is hanging onto an already existing and profitable IP, even more when they dont have to do most of the models and vfx since they use all of it from league or wild rift (the ambessa encounter at the start of the video isnt even from pc league, its from wild rift) The only part that they have to spend a lot of money in, is in programmers to hold the spaghetti of the rest of riot together when putting in new ideas that nobody asks for and then everybody complains about when the set is halfway done. Nobody likes this game for real, nobody has fun, its extremely hypocritical to say that you wouldnt prefer this game to not exist when 2/4 videos of yours start with you complaining about the whole set or last game. Nobody likes experimentation nor non following meta builds, this also can be seen in your channel since 2 out of 5 videos in set 11 were mythic/sniper reroll
yeah tft is not that expensive, 4 months of mostly balancing / some qol changes does not equal to tens of millions. Maybe one ten million, i doubt that any set cost more than 15 millions considering reusing most of the assets and MAYBE joining with other teams to design someone like mel that still will be in league in few months. From one side i do kinda get box complaining bcs streaming could be considered his livelyhood but playing tft 10+ hours each day most of the time does things to mfers mentality. imo he should take a break from tft for few days and either stream less or with breaks between each few games when he's tilted to avoid getting frustrated and missplaying or complaining due to frustration PS. If skins were cheaper they wouldn't exactly make riot more money but they could reverse some damages that were made to company-customer relationship due to many unapologized or half azz replied controversies
I mean I enjoy the game quite a lot have been spamming it 10 hours a day for fun. I think BoxBox is just burnt out which happens. You may be as well. Agree with your points about Riot profitability tho.
Crazy, you are deciding by yourself that Boxbox doesn't like the game, and no one like the game. Apparently you are god and you speak on behalf of the entire world. Funny you bring up complaining, as you said, he complain about last game, because he play bad and the thing he could've done to be better, according to you that supposedly mean he hate the game. And he complain about the WHOLE set, and that's what you said, not patches, the entire set. If you can point out 5 videos that he complain about the entire set I'll give it to you. "Yo actually Boxbox has been streaming TFT for 5 years, and it's because he hate the game" bro can you make some sense. "Nobody likes experimentation nor non following meta builds" this also made zero sense, it has nothing to do with anything you said before or any argument you made.
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Just ask the Burkinabe, Ivorians, Madagascarian and Cameroonians...
How is this comment 2 days old when the video is 9h
@@gonkdroid9491 Upload > make the comment > set the release time > gets released with comment already on vid
I find it incredible that your trainer golem didn't give you an enforcer emblem and you still pulled that off xd
I initially thought that editor messed up the title 😂
The golem is the enforcer in spirit it hold down the fort until the enforcers arrive
Half the video and still didn't understand how would he get 10 Enforcer in...
fr, like I see the title but how tf do we get an experiment team first part and we end up with 10 enforcer, no golem help
Me too i thought this is a reverse vid about the enemy going enforcers but nope.
20:44 "To do it on 9 the golem has to have the dummy"
"Ah yes, the floor is made out of floor."
there ain't no way making 10 enforcers is possible without trainer gole---- HOLY
You’re telling me TFT cost “10s of millions”… no shot.
Title says 10 enforcer. Gotta be an ambessa game. Is an Ambessa game. Looks at emblems, no enforcer. Baffled lol
there is no way lmao I thought that the tittle of video was wrong
Me looking at the title 15mins into the video 🤨.
What a crazy pivot and win out
I think he touched the biggest issue with the 300$ skins briefly, its simply the fact that people have shown they are willing to buy it. Riot would have absolutely no problem making proffit off of a 50-80$ skin at all, but they dont have to sell it cheap they can sell it for insane prices simply because people will buy the skins regardless.
I think his argument is strange and he just doesn't mind the price as much as others. I dont really get why he bothered to make this particular argument cause it's not really resonant.
The figures he cites are totally from his ass, and while the production costs are likely high this is more than likely due to staffing costs, but i also can't imagine that maintenance costs number in the 10s of millions AND requires this level of nickel and diming. We can look to the MMO model to see that this model is EXTREMELY profitable specifically because maintenance is not as costly as novel production.
I think it especially is a hollow argument when he argues the price is reasonable while constantly calling it ludicrous.
The only thing that matters for the price is how much are people willing to pay. The goal isn't for the company to make BACK it's money, the goal is for it to make exponentially more money. Since we don't have exact numbers for how much Riot actually spends on TFT maintenance any argument for or against pricing is at the end of the day a person expressing what they're willing to spend and says nothing about why Riot priced it other than they figure most are willing to pay it.
It's too bad the first 5 minutes of the video had to be listening to BoxBox glaze Riot as if a company that makes billions is struggling to survive. Loot box systems are inherently predatory behavior by companies even if the rewards aren't necessary to play the game. It's too bad this shit has been normalized.
It’s naive to say Riot is “sustaining” TFT with expensive skins. They are a business and will squeeze out whatever profit they can for their shareholders. My point is, Please don’t contradict people who complain about this pricing spike - consumers should push against this type of behavior from big businesses.
yeah man, let they sustain their FREE game with 0 cosmetics, 0 chibis and just keep on sinking money on developing with no way to earn the money back.
@@coleman4178 literally not what op said but go off king
it’s not tens of millions of dollars bro 💀 you’re playing the Pre-made Assets game
Damn box box look old as hell now
Boxbox probably doesnt read comments but hes so wrong about 400 dollar skins making tft sustainable🤣 the game on mobile alone profits over 10million (thats after expenses) they do it because they know the few people will buy expensive skins will pay any amount of money so they price the expensive skins at whatever they want
Hey guys any tips or advice? Been at my low lately. Failing grades in college, parents arguing, relationship going down i really don’t know what to do. Sometimes i just want to end it all
Just enjoy the little things bud, find something that you enjoy doing and stick at it, learn a new skill or reach out to some close friends - hope it gets better for you bud
I just played a game with 9 conqueror and 6 sentinel with mord 3 and lost it against 10 enforcer
Like the serie, Lets gooo
Set 13 prismatic trait is absolute
@@iamsrek8209 depends. I beat 10 enforcers with Jinx 3
i’ve always wanted 10 enforcer game but i just can’t hit it lol
tens of millions every 4 months? LMFAO
I think theres an error with the subtitles in the beginning. At 0:02 the sub says "The game's just bad", but it sounded more like saying "I think im just bad" or something similar, which would make more sense with the context when i watched his stream.
that sounded like he said "that game's just bad", but with the context I also think he said "I think I'm just bad"
If not for the gacha, i wouldnt have kda all out akali on first try
I hit 10 enforcer once, that was so good
Boxbox hit the gym
Assuming it's AWS as server backend, using their calculator, say you need 10,000 compute instance and 100TB of db that'd net around 50k per month, which is nothing.
Even if let's say 50 ppl work with TFT and averages around 100k per month each that's 5 mil per month. These are already ridiculous numbers, I couldn't imagine how you reach "tens of millions per month"
I thought they posted the wrong video lol
Did u just delete Jayce gold collector?
If you need a break from the game just take it. Mental health above all
And when I play Calling Card I get Visionary instead of Black Rose sadgr
So if you want example of good game but no money from riot. Look LOR is so f2p that make this game almost dead because losing money.
Man thinks riot wouldn't get loads of profit if they did the skins for 70 instead of 200, making loads with Valorant aswell
i got both 10 rebels and 10 enforcers enforcers look so much stronger
10 Rebels comp is easier to hit since there are 8 rebel units, unlike enforcers with only 7. 3 spat prismatic traits should always be better than 2 spat prismatic. This is why 10 Enforcer or 9 Conqueror is (or should theoretically be) better than 10 rebels.
10 Enforcer is extremely overtuned tho, if you were to compare it to 9 Conqueror (the other 3 spat prismatic). It's also probably due to how combat-heavy it is. 9 Conqueror has to be balanced around both cash out and stats, unlike 10 Enforcer which only has stats, and as a compromise, have the gimmick of taking items.
I got 10 enforcers vs 10 rebels. Yes enforcer is way stronger
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they have cheap skins you can get in tft so just let people who wanna spend money on the expensive ones do that you just sound petty if you complain about expensive cosmetics in general but even more when if you wanna spend just a little bit and look cool you can get a good little legend map and boom for 20-30 bucks
I don’t see why people get so upset over the skins when there are companies selling gameplay mechanics for similar prices. Doesn’t matter how expensive a skin is if it has 0 impact on the game in my opinion.
They do it in a predatory gambling system to take advantage of people’s weakness, and with time it just means that cosmetics are gonna be less and less available to the general public.
...
Riot reported a total revenue of 84 million for Q3 2024. TFT does not cost them HUNDREDS of millions to produce.
Maybe stop talking about stuff when you don't know what you're talking about.
Don't have to gluck-gluck riot that much, they definitely would make profit with cheaper skins as well, but they want to maximize the money earned hence the gatcha system. These systems are designed to extract the most money from people, not to not lose money. It's awful that almost every game has these or worse predatory mechanics don't need to advocate for them as well
tft does not cost 10s of millions of dollars per set to make. i really enjoy watching your content boxbox but the way you glorify this unblanced cash grab to your audience is crazy.
Bunch of brokies crying about expensive skins that nobody is forcing you to buy lmao
the taste of boots on your tongue is repulsive
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"i promise you that riot cannot hold this game without the overpriced skins"
How do you think league itself survived for 10 years buddy, and now tft is hanging onto an already existing and profitable IP, even more when they dont have to do most of the models and vfx since they use all of it from league or wild rift (the ambessa encounter at the start of the video isnt even from pc league, its from wild rift)
The only part that they have to spend a lot of money in, is in programmers to hold the spaghetti of the rest of riot together when putting in new ideas that nobody asks for and then everybody complains about when the set is halfway done.
Nobody likes this game for real, nobody has fun, its extremely hypocritical to say that you wouldnt prefer this game to not exist when 2/4 videos of yours start with you complaining about the whole set or last game. Nobody likes experimentation nor non following meta builds, this also can be seen in your channel since 2 out of 5 videos in set 11 were mythic/sniper reroll
yeah tft is not that expensive, 4 months of mostly balancing / some qol changes does not equal to tens of millions. Maybe one ten million, i doubt that any set cost more than 15 millions considering reusing most of the assets and MAYBE joining with other teams to design someone like mel that still will be in league in few months.
From one side i do kinda get box complaining bcs streaming could be considered his livelyhood but playing tft 10+ hours each day most of the time does things to mfers mentality.
imo he should take a break from tft for few days and either stream less or with breaks between each few games when he's tilted to avoid getting frustrated and missplaying or complaining due to frustration
PS. If skins were cheaper they wouldn't exactly make riot more money but they could reverse some damages that were made to company-customer relationship due to many unapologized or half azz replied controversies
I mean I enjoy the game quite a lot have been spamming it 10 hours a day for fun.
I think BoxBox is just burnt out which happens. You may be as well.
Agree with your points about Riot profitability tho.
Nobody likes this game and nobody has fun?! Wtf u on about bro
Crazy, you are deciding by yourself that Boxbox doesn't like the game, and no one like the game. Apparently you are god and you speak on behalf of the entire world. Funny you bring up complaining, as you said, he complain about last game, because he play bad and the thing he could've done to be better, according to you that supposedly mean he hate the game. And he complain about the WHOLE set, and that's what you said, not patches, the entire set. If you can point out 5 videos that he complain about the entire set I'll give it to you. "Yo actually Boxbox has been streaming TFT for 5 years, and it's because he hate the game" bro can you make some sense. "Nobody likes experimentation nor non following meta builds" this also made zero sense, it has nothing to do with anything you said before or any argument you made.