Great video. Sadly it fails to mention the biggest flaw of the system: the line into Istanbul (Gebze-Sögütlücesme) is single-track for high speed trains with few passing loops. This severely limits the capacity into Istanbul. YHT train are often sold out days or weeks in advance, but TCDD just can't run more trains through this bottleneck.
It seems that the network is designed to improve trains to Ankara and even lines closer to Istanbul take routes that prefer access to Ankara rather than Istanbul. But that makes sense from a political perspective as Istanbul usually doesn't vote for Erdogan.
@@IndianGeek5589 These tracks have been built around the houses , factories & etc all around the city and the roads so they can't be too wide because of plainly bad city planning .
@ Idk about Turkey but the choices in lay-out in Spain are clearly political. Right wing PP prefers lines radiating from Madrid, where as left wing PSOE oftentimes is in favor of a more peripheral network, where passengers don't need to pass through Madrid to go from A to B. The PP has a more centralist vision of Spain, where the socialists have a more federative perspective. I wouldn't be surprised if political considerations also enter in Turkish decision making.
Great video. Thank you from someone from Railway business in Türkiye. Some of the details can be useful as well: Sivas,Ankara, Eskişehir and Sakarya are well experienced in railway sectors, thats also another reason they start high speed lines on these cities. Additionally, Istanbul Sabiha Gökçen(SAW) to İstanbul International(IST) train line is right now one of the most crucial lines that is planning to start constructions in 2025. Thank you again,
One thing i wanted to add which is something that has been bothering me about the YHT service is that, the Turkish government plans the HSR lines like they're planning a city and not a whole country. Instead of major cities having their main stations, the main hub for Turkiye's high speed rail is the Ankara Station. And my personal opinion, correct me if i'm wrong, is that this approach might cause huge bottlenecks and less frequent service of the YHT in the upcoming years.
A mentioned above, Turkiye is following the French radial model where most lines are centered towards Paris. Similar to that, Ankara is the capital and in the "middle" of the country, offering high speed services to the West like Istanbul, Bursa and Izmir (future), to the South like Konya, Karaman and Adana/Mersin/Gaziantep (future), to the East like Sivas and Kayseri (future), and to the North, with a brand-new project to Samsun.
I know it doesn't look that way but Turkey is actually a massive country, 3x larger than UK, 2x Germany and 1.5 times larger than France. There are also mountain ranges all over it so direct routes between large cities doesn't make sense it would be way too expensive to build. For example a new route between İzmir and İstanbul would cost so much and it would had to travel around sea of Marmara anyway. So it makes sense connecting to Eskişehir instead which is in middle of İstanbul and Ankara. If there is heavy traffic adding another line to existing route would be far cheaper.
I find your videos very interesting, informative and last but not least - entertaining! I don't know have or would you ever consider making such a video, but... Turkyie's neighbour - Bulgaria, is currently attempting to modernize and increase the speed on it's railways as well and I would be really interested in a video of yours, analyzing the situation there. Regardless of whether you ever plan on making such a video or not, I am looking forward to more of your videos, best regards and have a nice day/evening/whenever you read this!
Fascinating analysis. Turkey sure is making great strides to modernize its rail infrastructure. I'm especially eager to learn more about the domestically made high speed train.
Unfortunately no statement regarding the still missing rails on the Yavuz Sultan Selim Bridge. It is pretty obvious that there can't really be permanent long-distance through traffic on the Marmaray link
That one is for istanbul Ankara express high speed rail as i know. It will be constructed on a more direct root, and it will be a higher speed than the existing line. If I remember correctly, istanbul to Ankara will be 90 minutes.
Marmaray, as of today, has still enough capacity for run-through freight train traffic between Asia and Europe at night. I doubt that there will be enough demand for run-through passenger trains from, let's say Edirne to Ankara, bypassing Istanbul. (International) passenger trains, coming from the West, should terminate in Sirkeci (again), and passenger trains coming from the East (with a few exceptions) should terminate in Haydarpasa (again). The semi-circle line from Gebze to SAW-Airport, over the 3rd bridge to IST-Airport, to Catalca will be great for offering connections between both Airports, and for offering a direct link from the center of Ankara to the aforementioned Airports (reducing inner Turkish flights).
In fact, there are not many countries that can manufacture high-speed trains themselves. Representative examples include Germany, South Korea, Japan, France, and China.
Depends what is the lowest speed limit for hsr is it 200+ km/h or 250+.Stadler (swiss company) also produce high speed train EC250 renamed to SMILE, SBB operates it under their name of RABe 501 with top speed of 250km/h their KISS trains are capable of 200km/h. Skoda does have a locomotive capable of 200km/h.
@@ristekostadinov2820 RABe 501 units can travel at speeds of 250 km/h when in Germany or Italy - they country they serve through international connections. In Switzerland itself they go as fast as 200 km/h (230 if delayed).
Hi there, I understand you make very much positivist videos and you would succeed to get yourself thousands of views from Turkey. However, there is a strong problem of visionary investment, long term planning and excessive populism. As a Turkish railway enthusiast I see that investments for freight network quite insufficient from many aspects including population spread over the country. As you mentioned about the İstanbul-Ankara HSR, many sections are not properly planned, constructed and operated ,yet the project construction is almost 25 years old. Currently, Ankara-Eskişehir, Ankara-Konya-Karaman, Ankara-Sivas lines are I think actually can be considered as a HSR since using HSR cars does not mean you are going up to high speed. I see that there are many plans on network expansions in governmental documents but the problem is that these (actually urgent) investments are planned for unrealistically long future in which political powerhouses would not care to work on it. There is a huge need of regular modern conventional railways which can basically accommodate electric trains with 200 km/h for both passenger and freight traffic. Using populist "high" speed railway words are often very much popular during election times... This is a huge pain... Turkish youth should create a stronger and realistic voice (kamuoyu) on this insufficient railway infrastructure and its future for economic wealth and efficiency.
Thanks for this comment. We have a special group of videos we call Railway Nation where we talk about the overall state of the rail system (outside HSR). We will try to cover this aspect there in that video.
The role of freight traffic has become high priority in recent years. Turkiye needs both, a potent and reliable high-speed network to increase rail-based passenger traffic, as well as the modernization of existing conventional tracks. A good compromise has been found by planning all future high-speed links as mixed used lines, that can accommodate YHT's as well as freight trains and regional trains. Therefore, the lines to Bursa, Izmir, Adana, Mersin and Gaziantep have been revised and reduced to a top speed of 200km/h. All of these lines will see mixed traffic (similar to the network logic in Germany).
They said the same about other projects in Turkiye, yet they all have been realized. Surely this project is a challenge and it needs the right strategy, but Turkiye is doing better compared to Europe and USA. I live in Europe, from the Netherlands. Here they worked on a small metro line in Amsterdam, the original price was approx. 800 million dollar, it exceeded to 3 billion dollars. They worked over 15 years just ro realize 9.7 km railway at the cost of 3 billion dollars, not even high speed train, just a local metro line. I think most Turks in Turkiye are complaining too much and dont understand the reality of these dynamics. Big things take time. They said Turkiye would never have drones, now Baykar dominates the world drone industry. They said Turkiye would never have cars, the TOGG is launched. Just relax and wait, this project will be realized.
@@TanjirowGhamadow I am pretty sure that I understand the dynamics of such big investments. Beleive me, my point had little thing to do with the examples you give over there. They both have something to do with excessive populism and domestic market privileges but let that slide. This is more related to the mindset of creating cities around cars, actually long term infrastructure investments and economic growth of the non overpopulated cities. These issues might seem easy to solve from outside but when you start to feel certain bottlenecks about Turkish politics It becomes more problematic. There is little chance to see in today's situation that strong institutions take care of a project for 15 years without an effort of a small group of people.
@@RailwaysExplained Türkiye will eventually overtake Spain, once they commission the High speed rail to Kars, and even further to the Azerbaijani Border and Antalya also :)
There are attempts to revive the historical Silk Road via high-speed train lines. In other words, a train departing from China will travel to Europe using the historical Silk Road via Türkiye. There will also be new high-speed train lines that are not shown in the video. A new line is planned to be built between Sakarya and Bartın, and between Samsu and Artvin. A new high-speed train line is also planned to be built between Ankara - Bolu and Istanbul by building a different route.
USA lags centuries behind other countries embracing high speed rail which is a damn shame because we once had the fastest and most luxurious intercity trains in the world. Where did we go oh so wrong?
Is there concrete plans to connect Türkiye's highspeed network to the EU network and then south into the Arabian Peninsula specifically with a line all the way to Mecca?
As we stated in the video, construction works towards Kapikule (border with Bulgaria) is underway, so Turkey will be basically connected with the EU rail network during this year with "semi high-speed" line for 200 km/h.
Did you think the Crescent region was truly militarily stable enough to launch an infrastructure megaproject? While it is true that many Bible-era cities and World Heritage sites are located there, the rise of ISIS turned the region into a living hell.
To be called a HIGH SPEED TRAIN, it has to be able to attain max speeds of 350 km/h . Examples: Fuxing, TGV, Shinkansen, Whoosh, Eurostar, ICE3, Al-Boraq, AVE and others. These trains in Turkiye are MEDIUM SPEED TRAINS, since they attain max speeds of 250 km/h . Examples: Sapsan (Russia), Acela (USA), British trains in general.
High speed trains must have at least 250 km/h top speed, not 350 km/h. Higher speed than 250 km/h are welcome, but 250 km/h are sufficient to call them high speed trains. The new Turkish made trains, with 225 km/h top speed, will be higher speed trains and not high speed trains.
Formally new high speed railway lines must have maximum speed above 250 kph (practically 300+ kph) or must have average running speed across the corridor in excess of 150 kph. I don't know if that average speed includes time for stops along the line (if so, the Istanbul-Ankara average speed 135 kph is too low, but I'm sure it's achievable with journey time below 3h 45m).
Turkey's geography and economy simply dont allow better infrastructure. Terrain is rough and economy is trash. This is probably why turkish hsr standarts are unique, this video does not talk about it much after all finding english sources about this topic is hard but simply its strange. Most of the network can operate on speeds up to 275 km/h (which is a very strange choice if you ask me) except polatlı-konya hsr with a design speed of 300+ km/h as video mentioned, which is pretty normal when you consider its laying on the flattest region of the country. The fact about new rolling stocks operational speed is very strange aswell but as i said turkeys economy and geography doesnt really let any better.
The cost of going from 250kmh to 300kmh design speed is astronomical as curve radius has to grow significantly and this means you cannot avoid geographical obstacles. Tunneling is expensive so you don't want to go through every obstacle.
@@a.gokhanakturk220 he need to use larger curves makes the creation of a 300km/h line minimally more expensive. Phase 1 of HS2 will be built at 400km/h because it is future-proof and not much more expensive, but the initial operating speed will be 330km/h for economic reasons.
@@davidsz.horvath3357 UK and Turkey have vastly different topographies. The highest elevation HS2 goes through is maybe 200m above sea level. Turkey has mountains as high as 2500-3000m even around major population centers.
Is it just me or network map looks very inefficient? Trains might be high speed but times in relation to geographical distance between cities won't be high speed.
The average operational speed is not high speed, as anywhere in the world. The stretch between Istanbul and Eskisehir has still a couple slow zones. Entering and exiting the city limits of Ankara and Konya is slowing down trains too. But the rest of the network is indeed full high speed.
Here's something that you may find interesting. :) The name of my country has nothing to do with the interesting and delicious bird 'turkey'...... .....but the name of the bird does have a connection with the name of my country, let me explain. :) In the past 40 years 37 countries have changed their name, fully, partially or made alterations in some way... Obviously one can not change the name of an apple or an orange etc in other languages, but country names are like peoples' individual names, so if you're named John we don't call you Karen. :) Name of my country has always been Türkiye, it's been known as such since around the 1200's, many times presented as 'Turkiye' in various maps and memoirs by travellers and cartographers since that time. The name it self has a suffix, '-iye' that is Turk-iye, where the -iye suffix means 'land of/belonging to', this is just like the Latin suffix of '-ia' which exists in such country names like Austr-ia, Indones-ia etc. Many would remember the country Czechoslovak-ia which (changed names and) became Slovak-ia and Czech Republic and a few years ago changed that to Czechia (that is Czech-ia). The Latin suffix -ia probably originates from Turkish -iye as Turkish been over 10,000 year (yes the Orkhon Stone monuments are just a recent occurance in Turk history, it's not the start of it) is much older than Latin which is around 2300 years old with proto-Latin stretching back about 2700 years. The use of the suffix '-iye OR -ia ' is no different thn the use of the suffix '-land', which comes after various country names like; Ire(Eire)-land, Po(le)-land, Eng(Anglo)-land and the like, we can see that the suffix ''-ia/iye'' is in a way the same as ''-land''. Furthermore, another variation of this ''-iye'' suffix is used in English in the form of the suffix ''-town'', for example James-town, Williams-town etc etc. Just one Turkish example for this would be a town called Fethiye (a major tourist attraction), Feth-iye is named after the first Turkish pilot Fethi Bey who was shot by english fire in 1913 over the lands of what is modern day Syria, the town been named after him, with the word meaning ''Feth-town'', again a play on the definitions of 'belonging to, land of'. Spelled in different languages in different ways to phonetically RESEMBLE (to sound like) 'Türkiye', in time we got; Turk-ije (Dutch) Turch-ia (Italian), Turq-uía (Spanish) Turq-uie (French) Turk-ei (German) Turk-ey (English) Remember that English is an 'offshoot' of the German language; you can see the Germans tried to copy the pronounciation of 'Turk-iye', with the English almost copying the German version of the pronounciation, interesting isn't it? :) Mind you all these attempts to copy the pronounciation of the name Türkiye was way before the animal we currently know as turkey was found by the europeans when they explored the north americas. The bird was first sent to europe from north americas in the year 1519, so up until that point there was no bird named as turkey by white people.... ...during their exploration/invasion of north americas, they came across the bird and thought it was a specie of a fowl/chicken they had been buying from the country of Turkiye (again the country was KNOWN since the 1200's as Türkiye, even though the name of the state was Ottoman State), so they named the bird 'Turkey Fowl' to define 'Turkish Chicken', just like how a dog breed is known because of it's geography of origin, German Shepherd, American Bulldog, British Terrier, Greek Harehound etc etc. In time you don't get to call the harehound simply as greek and the country Greek or you don't call the terrier british and the lands Britain, or shepherd as simply german so on and so on, but in time the Turkish Fowl started to be called just 'Turkey' and later 'turkey', and this went on for hundreds of years. Now in modern times, this caused confusion, especially when we have people across the world unable to point to their own country on an atlas. :) Basically we didn't change the name of our country, we changed the mistake made in the English language only. : ) So, there's some tid bit information for you to have a great day, if you read upto this point you have a great night too, ohh just have a wonderfull life. : ) Best wishes. ;)
How the hell they are building these train tracks so cheaply? 😮😮😮 I mean how can they build 500+ km high speed train tracks in just 1.8 billion dollars?
We think that they must have examined all the alternatives, and that the range of 200-250 km/h is an optimum for them when taking into account the development of road infrastructure, rail infrastructure maintenance, electricity consumption, etc.
Most of the active lines are capable to operate up to 275 km/h except polatlı konya which has a design speed of 320+ km/h. Tcdd just dont operate trains that fast, i dont know the reason behind this but its probably economic. Its already really hard to built and maintain railroads in turkey since its geography isnt very friendly hence the trains operate at bare minimum. Also tgere is lack of proper infrastructure around cities which probably reduces speeds aswell. Its really punctual tho, i regularly take hsr to ankara and the worst i have exprienced was just 6 minutes late, i cant say that about conventional rails tho.
Sebep hattın tam bitmemiş olması. Hala inşaat halinde. Ayrıca tren boş gitmemek için çok yerde durmak zorunda. Yoksa zarar eder. Ayrıca konstantapol 500 sene önce tarih oldu. 500 senedir adı istanbul
The NEC, with all its flaws, is by definition (250kmph on new track or 200kmph on legacy track) HSR tho. Not to mention the new Avelia trains will reach speeds of 260kmph, which is definitely HSR.
@@Zerosen89 onlywest of the miississppi is there really low populatio. the nortestrn /southern and midwestern regions have more then enough cclose cities to eachother flr hsr to wplrk but a weak fderal goverment that cant figure out where to go first ad under trum it wil obly get a weaker federal goverment.
Polatlıda bir köyde yaşıyorum suan izmir polatlı hattı bizim köyden geçiyor tren hattını görsen binlerce kişi çalısıyor yüzlerce kamyon her gün kum taşıyor
Great video. Sadly it fails to mention the biggest flaw of the system: the line into Istanbul (Gebze-Sögütlücesme) is single-track for high speed trains with few passing loops. This severely limits the capacity into Istanbul. YHT train are often sold out days or weeks in advance, but TCDD just can't run more trains through this bottleneck.
It seems that the network is designed to improve trains to Ankara and even lines closer to Istanbul take routes that prefer access to Ankara rather than Istanbul. But that makes sense from a political perspective as Istanbul usually doesn't vote for Erdogan.
@@Dave_Sisson It is more about infrastructure not being there than any political reason.
@@afd1040 Why wouldn't they double or quadruple the track?
@@IndianGeek5589 These tracks have been built around the houses , factories & etc all around the city and the roads so they can't be too wide because of plainly bad city planning .
@ Idk about Turkey but the choices in lay-out in Spain are clearly political. Right wing PP prefers lines radiating from Madrid, where as left wing PSOE oftentimes is in favor of a more peripheral network, where passengers don't need to pass through Madrid to go from A to B. The PP has a more centralist vision of Spain, where the socialists have a more federative perspective.
I wouldn't be surprised if political considerations also enter in Turkish decision making.
This was an extremely well researched and explained video about high-speed rail in Turkiye. Very well done!
Thank you! We appreciate it.
Great video. Thank you from someone from Railway business in Türkiye.
Some of the details can be useful as well:
Sivas,Ankara, Eskişehir and Sakarya are well experienced in railway sectors, thats also another reason they start high speed lines on these cities.
Additionally, Istanbul Sabiha Gökçen(SAW) to İstanbul International(IST) train line is right now one of the most crucial lines that is planning to start constructions in 2025.
Thank you again,
Turkiye is building some seriously useful infrastructure 💪 Massive dams, high speed trains, good job!
One thing i wanted to add which is something that has been bothering me about the YHT service is that, the Turkish government plans the HSR lines like they're planning a city and not a whole country. Instead of major cities having their main stations, the main hub for Turkiye's high speed rail is the Ankara Station. And my personal opinion, correct me if i'm wrong, is that this approach might cause huge bottlenecks and less frequent service of the YHT in the upcoming years.
A mentioned above, Turkiye is following the French radial model where most lines are centered towards Paris. Similar to that, Ankara is the capital and in the "middle" of the country, offering high speed services to the West like Istanbul, Bursa and Izmir (future), to the South like Konya, Karaman and Adana/Mersin/Gaziantep (future), to the East like Sivas and Kayseri (future), and to the North, with a brand-new project to Samsun.
I know it doesn't look that way but Turkey is actually a massive country, 3x larger than UK, 2x Germany and 1.5 times larger than France. There are also mountain ranges all over it so direct routes between large cities doesn't make sense it would be way too expensive to build. For example a new route between İzmir and İstanbul would cost so much and it would had to travel around sea of Marmara anyway. So it makes sense connecting to Eskişehir instead which is in middle of İstanbul and Ankara. If there is heavy traffic adding another line to existing route would be far cheaper.
Very interesting and comprehensive,
Thank you so much .
Heil Türkiye ♥️.
With greetings from Egypt. ✌🏻
I find your videos very interesting, informative and last but not least - entertaining! I don't know have or would you ever consider making such a video, but... Turkyie's neighbour - Bulgaria, is currently attempting to modernize and increase the speed on it's railways as well and I would be really interested in a video of yours, analyzing the situation there. Regardless of whether you ever plan on making such a video or not, I am looking forward to more of your videos, best regards and have a nice day/evening/whenever you read this!
We are neighbours too. Greetings from Serbia 😃
Fascinating analysis. Turkey sure is making great strides to modernize its rail infrastructure. I'm especially eager to learn more about the domestically made high speed train.
The US doesn’t have any HSR, even Africa and Laos already has HSR.
They r busy investing 800 billion usd in weapon and military but only 8 billion for train!! Priority r misplaced
@ As a result the US has declined and is looking like a 3rd world country.
It appears you haven’t heard of Brightline West my boy
@ Oh the one delayed for the last 15 years and still delayed until 2028 at the earliest? Sit down kiddo.
@@MrStark-up6fi 🥉 world medal goes to the 🇺🇸 .
Unfortunately no statement regarding the still missing rails on the Yavuz Sultan Selim Bridge. It is pretty obvious that there can't really be permanent long-distance through traffic on the Marmaray link
That one is for istanbul Ankara express high speed rail as i know. It will be constructed on a more direct root, and it will be a higher speed than the existing line. If I remember correctly, istanbul to Ankara will be 90 minutes.
Marmaray, as of today, has still enough capacity for run-through freight train traffic between Asia and Europe at night. I doubt that there will be enough demand for run-through passenger trains from, let's say Edirne to Ankara, bypassing Istanbul. (International) passenger trains, coming from the West, should terminate in Sirkeci (again), and passenger trains coming from the East (with a few exceptions) should terminate in Haydarpasa (again). The semi-circle line from Gebze to SAW-Airport, over the 3rd bridge to IST-Airport, to Catalca will be great for offering connections between both Airports, and for offering a direct link from the center of Ankara to the aforementioned Airports (reducing inner Turkish flights).
I'm not sure 200 km/h new lines could be consider high speed lines, especially if they are built from scratch and not lines improvements.
I ❤ trains, trams, take a ride, I have a folder on ''transportation''
(folder 2, in playlists) you will love them too :)
In fact, there are not many countries that can manufacture high-speed trains themselves. Representative examples include Germany, South Korea, Japan, France, and China.
+Spain…
+ Italy (Despite the fact that Hitachi bought Ansaldo Breda. The ETR 500 proved to be a good product.)
Depends what is the lowest speed limit for hsr is it 200+ km/h or 250+.Stadler (swiss company) also produce high speed train EC250 renamed to SMILE, SBB operates it under their name of RABe 501 with top speed of 250km/h their KISS trains are capable of 200km/h. Skoda does have a locomotive capable of 200km/h.
@@ristekostadinov2820 RABe 501 units can travel at speeds of 250 km/h when in Germany or Italy - they country they serve through international connections. In Switzerland itself they go as fast as 200 km/h (230 if delayed).
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Hi there, I understand you make very much positivist videos and you would succeed to get yourself thousands of views from Turkey. However, there is a strong problem of visionary investment, long term planning and excessive populism. As a Turkish railway enthusiast I see that investments for freight network quite insufficient from many aspects including population spread over the country. As you mentioned about the İstanbul-Ankara HSR, many sections are not properly planned, constructed and operated ,yet the project construction is almost 25 years old. Currently, Ankara-Eskişehir, Ankara-Konya-Karaman, Ankara-Sivas lines are I think actually can be considered as a HSR since using HSR cars does not mean you are going up to high speed. I see that there are many plans on network expansions in governmental documents but the problem is that these (actually urgent) investments are planned for unrealistically long future in which political powerhouses would not care to work on it. There is a huge need of regular modern conventional railways which can basically accommodate electric trains with 200 km/h for both passenger and freight traffic. Using populist "high" speed railway words are often very much popular during election times... This is a huge pain... Turkish youth should create a stronger and realistic voice (kamuoyu) on this insufficient railway infrastructure and its future for economic wealth and efficiency.
Thanks for this comment. We have a special group of videos we call Railway Nation where we talk about the overall state of the rail system (outside HSR). We will try to cover this aspect there in that video.
Thanks for sharing
The role of freight traffic has become high priority in recent years. Turkiye needs both, a potent and reliable high-speed network to increase rail-based passenger traffic, as well as the modernization of existing conventional tracks. A good compromise has been found by planning all future high-speed links as mixed used lines, that can accommodate YHT's as well as freight trains and regional trains. Therefore, the lines to Bursa, Izmir, Adana, Mersin and Gaziantep have been revised and reduced to a top speed of 200km/h. All of these lines will see mixed traffic (similar to the network logic in Germany).
They said the same about other projects in Turkiye, yet they all have been realized. Surely this project is a challenge and it needs the right strategy, but Turkiye is doing better compared to Europe and USA. I live in Europe, from the Netherlands. Here they worked on a small metro line in Amsterdam, the original price was approx. 800 million dollar, it exceeded to 3 billion dollars. They worked over 15 years just ro realize 9.7 km railway at the cost of 3 billion dollars, not even high speed train, just a local metro line. I think most Turks in Turkiye are complaining too much and dont understand the reality of these dynamics. Big things take time. They said Turkiye would never have drones, now Baykar dominates the world drone industry. They said Turkiye would never have cars, the TOGG is launched. Just relax and wait, this project will be realized.
@@TanjirowGhamadow I am pretty sure that I understand the dynamics of such big investments. Beleive me, my point had little thing to do with the examples you give over there. They both have something to do with excessive populism and domestic market privileges but let that slide. This is more related to the mindset of creating cities around cars, actually long term infrastructure investments and economic growth of the non overpopulated cities. These issues might seem easy to solve from outside but when you start to feel certain bottlenecks about Turkish politics It becomes more problematic. There is little chance to see in today's situation that strong institutions take care of a project for 15 years without an effort of a small group of people.
Türkiye’s High Speed Rail will be one of the best in the world! Especially the new 350km/h Route from Ankara to Istanbul will be revolutionary ❤ 🇹🇷 🚄
It will be a tight race between Spain and Turkey in the future 😃
@@RailwaysExplained Türkiye will eventually overtake Spain, once they commission the High speed rail to Kars, and even further to the Azerbaijani Border and Antalya also :)
A good video, as always👏
Glad you enjoyed it!
There are attempts to revive the historical Silk Road via high-speed train lines. In other words, a train departing from China will travel to Europe using the historical Silk Road via Türkiye. There will also be new high-speed train lines that are not shown in the video. A new line is planned to be built between Sakarya and Bartın, and between Samsu and Artvin. A new high-speed train line is also planned to be built between Ankara - Bolu and Istanbul by building a different route.
railtrack is amazing for me sir not just high speed train
USA lags centuries behind other countries embracing high speed rail which is a damn shame because we once had the fastest and most luxurious intercity trains in the world. Where did we go oh so wrong?
Osmanlı devleti 600 dene var oldu. Abd daha 250 yaşında. Devletlerde insan gibidir. Abd ihtiyarladı. Artık dinamikleri yok.
What they really need is Izmir to Istanbul.
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i dont expect turkiye love hsr so much many of line they make hsr ,indonesia also have they hsr ,one day malaysia will have it
You forgot the new line between sivas and erkasun is being built
Nope, that's just a project and is neither being built nor has it any funding.
Is there concrete plans to connect Türkiye's highspeed network to the EU network and then south into the Arabian Peninsula specifically with a line all the way to Mecca?
As we stated in the video, construction works towards Kapikule (border with Bulgaria) is underway, so Turkey will be basically connected with the EU rail network during this year with "semi high-speed" line for 200 km/h.
why "specificaly" there?
Did you think the Crescent region was truly militarily stable enough to launch an infrastructure megaproject? While it is true that many Bible-era cities and World Heritage sites are located there, the rise of ISIS turned the region into a living hell.
@ I just thought it would be a likely route.
@ Türkiye is now in control of Syria and between Syria and Saudi Arabia is Jordan which is stable with a strong government.
To be called a HIGH SPEED TRAIN, it has to be able to attain max speeds of 350 km/h .
Examples: Fuxing, TGV, Shinkansen, Whoosh, Eurostar, ICE3, Al-Boraq, AVE and others.
These trains in Turkiye are MEDIUM SPEED TRAINS, since they attain max speeds of 250 km/h .
Examples: Sapsan (Russia), Acela (USA), British trains in general.
Factually wrong
High speed trains must have at least 250 km/h top speed, not 350 km/h. Higher speed than 250 km/h are welcome, but 250 km/h are sufficient to call them high speed trains. The new Turkish made trains, with 225 km/h top speed, will be higher speed trains and not high speed trains.
Formally new high speed railway lines must have maximum speed above 250 kph (practically 300+ kph) or must have average running speed across the corridor in excess of 150 kph. I don't know if that average speed includes time for stops along the line (if so, the Istanbul-Ankara average speed 135 kph is too low, but I'm sure it's achievable with journey time below 3h 45m).
A line vom Izmir-Mersin via Bodrum, Antalya, Sie, Alanya and Anamour is messing jet
İmkansız demir yolu çok yavaş gelişiyor.
Maybe I missed it, but what were the considerations to construct a 250 km/h network, rather than a 300 km/h one?
Turkey's geography and economy simply dont allow better infrastructure. Terrain is rough and economy is trash. This is probably why turkish hsr standarts are unique, this video does not talk about it much after all finding english sources about this topic is hard but simply its strange. Most of the network can operate on speeds up to 275 km/h (which is a very strange choice if you ask me) except polatlı-konya hsr with a design speed of 300+ km/h as video mentioned, which is pretty normal when you consider its laying on the flattest region of the country. The fact about new rolling stocks operational speed is very strange aswell but as i said turkeys economy and geography doesnt really let any better.
The cost of going from 250kmh to 300kmh design speed is astronomical as curve radius has to grow significantly and this means you cannot avoid geographical obstacles. Tunneling is expensive so you don't want to go through every obstacle.
@@a.gokhanakturk220 thanks!
@@a.gokhanakturk220 he need to use larger curves makes the creation of a 300km/h line minimally more expensive. Phase 1 of HS2 will be built at 400km/h because it is future-proof and not much more expensive, but the initial operating speed will be 330km/h for economic reasons.
@@davidsz.horvath3357 UK and Turkey have vastly different topographies. The highest elevation HS2 goes through is maybe 200m above sea level. Turkey has mountains as high as 2500-3000m even around major population centers.
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Is it just me or network map looks very inefficient? Trains might be high speed but times in relation to geographical distance between cities won't be high speed.
The average operational speed is not high speed, as anywhere in the world. The stretch between Istanbul and Eskisehir has still a couple slow zones. Entering and exiting the city limits of Ankara and Konya is slowing down trains too. But the rest of the network is indeed full high speed.
@@loccusloccus5315 that is not the point I was making. Paths new lines are taking look messy and lines cross at strange places.
system is already outdated before it's built, those average speeds are too low
Here's something that you may find interesting. :)
The name of my country has nothing to do with the interesting and delicious bird 'turkey'......
.....but the name of the bird does have a connection with the name of my country, let me explain. :)
In the past 40 years 37 countries have changed their name, fully, partially or made alterations in some way...
Obviously one can not change the name of an apple or an orange etc in other languages,
but country names are like peoples' individual names, so if you're named John we don't call you Karen. :)
Name of my country has always been Türkiye, it's been known as such since around the 1200's, many times presented as 'Turkiye' in various maps and memoirs by travellers and cartographers since that time.
The name it self has a suffix, '-iye' that is Turk-iye, where the -iye suffix means 'land of/belonging to', this is just like the Latin suffix of '-ia' which exists in such country names like Austr-ia, Indones-ia etc.
Many would remember the country Czechoslovak-ia which (changed names and) became Slovak-ia and Czech Republic and a few years ago changed that to Czechia (that is Czech-ia).
The Latin suffix -ia probably originates from Turkish -iye as Turkish been over 10,000 year (yes the Orkhon Stone monuments are just a recent occurance in Turk history, it's not the start of it) is much older than Latin which is around 2300 years old with proto-Latin stretching back about 2700 years.
The use of the suffix '-iye OR -ia ' is no different thn the use of the suffix '-land', which comes after various country names like;
Ire(Eire)-land,
Po(le)-land,
Eng(Anglo)-land and the like,
we can see that the suffix ''-ia/iye'' is in a way the same as ''-land''.
Furthermore, another variation of this ''-iye'' suffix is used in English in the form of the suffix ''-town'', for example James-town, Williams-town etc etc.
Just one Turkish example for this would be a town called Fethiye (a major tourist attraction), Feth-iye is named after the first Turkish pilot Fethi Bey who was shot by english fire in 1913 over the lands of what is modern day Syria, the town been named after him, with the word meaning ''Feth-town'', again a play on the definitions of 'belonging to, land of'.
Spelled in different languages in different ways to phonetically RESEMBLE (to sound like) 'Türkiye', in time we got;
Turk-ije (Dutch)
Turch-ia (Italian),
Turq-uía (Spanish)
Turq-uie (French)
Turk-ei (German)
Turk-ey (English)
Remember that English is an 'offshoot' of the German language; you can see the Germans tried to copy the pronounciation of 'Turk-iye', with the English almost copying the German version of the pronounciation, interesting isn't it? :)
Mind you all these attempts to copy the pronounciation of the name Türkiye was way before the animal we currently know as turkey was found by the europeans when they explored the north americas. The bird was first sent to europe from north americas in the year 1519, so up until that point there was no bird named as turkey by white people....
...during their exploration/invasion of north americas, they came across the bird and thought it was a specie of a fowl/chicken they had been buying from the country of Turkiye (again the country was KNOWN since the 1200's as Türkiye, even though the name of the state was Ottoman State), so they named the bird 'Turkey Fowl' to define 'Turkish Chicken', just like how a dog breed is known because of it's geography of origin, German Shepherd, American Bulldog, British Terrier, Greek Harehound etc etc.
In time you don't get to call the harehound simply as greek and the country Greek or you don't call the terrier british and the lands Britain, or shepherd as simply german so on and so on, but in time the Turkish Fowl started to be called just 'Turkey' and later 'turkey', and this went on for hundreds of years.
Now in modern times, this caused confusion, especially when we have people across the world unable to point to their own country on an atlas. :)
Basically we didn't change the name of our country, we changed the mistake made in the English language only. : )
So, there's some tid bit information for you to have a great day, if you read upto this point you have a great night too, ohh just have a wonderfull life. : )
Best wishes. ;)
Hızlı tren demek saatte 300 km üzerinde yol almak gerek gerisi hikaye
How the hell they are building these train tracks so cheaply? 😮😮😮 I mean how can they build 500+ km high speed train tracks in just 1.8 billion dollars?
China is financing this.
I think they really missed the boat by not going full high speed. 250KPH is pretty slow and with the size of Turkey 350kpm would be a game changer.
We think that they must have examined all the alternatives, and that the range of 200-250 km/h is an optimum for them when taking into account the development of road infrastructure, rail infrastructure maintenance, electricity consumption, etc.
A 350km/h route is being constructed from Ankara to Istanbul, opens around 2030 😊
That is an idea for special dedicated video 😃
You know, I heard that 350 km/h high speed lines are expensive to maintain compared to 250 km/h counterparts.
Most of the active lines are capable to operate up to 275 km/h except polatlı konya which has a design speed of 320+ km/h. Tcdd just dont operate trains that fast, i dont know the reason behind this but its probably economic. Its already really hard to built and maintain railroads in turkey since its geography isnt very friendly hence the trains operate at bare minimum. Also tgere is lack of proper infrastructure around cities which probably reduces speeds aswell. Its really punctual tho, i regularly take hsr to ankara and the worst i have exprienced was just 6 minutes late, i cant say that about conventional rails tho.
nice turkiyee they speed same like malaysia ecrl 160 km is good fast for beginning okk dont fast ii its expensive
Have loads of potentials, just look at the Istanbul new airport terminals.
Just look at the shambles of checking in at Istanbul Airport.
current problem of turkish train system is buying tickets online its a nightmare.
目前的高铁强国只有四个，中国，日本，法国，德国，不管要看高铁公里数，还要看技术。
its growing very slowly and sadly most part of the area its going under 200km/h
Hi, I very like to your works and I have a request can you make a video about Kurdistan(KRG) railway project?
*The average speed on the route Ankara - Constantinople is only 135 km/h* (562 km in 4 h 10 min).
Sebep hattın tam bitmemiş olması. Hala inşaat halinde. Ayrıca tren boş gitmemek için çok yerde durmak zorunda. Yoksa zarar eder. Ayrıca konstantapol 500 sene önce tarih oldu. 500 senedir adı istanbul
Akli sıra laf atacak işte gerzek ağababaları kabul etmiş İstanbul ismini yenilgilerinden sonra bunlar da da kuyruk acısı 😂 @@Akeseli06
It’s called İstanbul.
I think its funny how turkey has highspeed rail but the usa doesnt xd
The US is too large and vast and lacks the population density for HSR to be practical other then in the north east, California and Texas
@Zerosen89 I know, but the major and highly populated cities should be connected via highspeed rail in my opinion
The NEC, with all its flaws, is by definition (250kmph on new track or 200kmph on legacy track) HSR tho. Not to mention the new Avelia trains will reach speeds of 260kmph, which is definitely HSR.
@@Zerosen89 onlywest of the miississppi is there really low populatio. the nortestrn /southern and midwestern regions have more then enough cclose cities to eachother flr hsr to wplrk but a weak fderal goverment that cant figure out where to go first ad under trum it wil obly get a weaker federal goverment.
@@Zerosen89Total nonsense! China is similar to the US in size even slightly larger , yet has the world's largest high speed network .
olmayacak türk izleyici çekmek için böyle fake başlıklar atmayın
Polatlıda bir köyde yaşıyorum suan izmir polatlı hattı bizim köyden geçiyor tren hattını görsen binlerce kişi çalısıyor yüzlerce kamyon her gün kum taşıyor
Hangi parti seçmeni olduğunu tahmin edebiliyorum. Hatları google earth dan dahi kendi gözlerinle görebilirsin :)
Belki oy vermeye yaş bile yetmiyordur pardon.