Eurovision 2024: Grand Final Jury-Televote Split Results (Reaction)
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- Опубліковано 16 тра 2024
- We react to the grand final results of Eurovision 2024, focusing on who the jury vote helped and hurt the most (based on the difference with the public vote). In terms of the jury-televote split, these countries were helped the most by the juries:
Switzerland +139 points (vs. the public vote)
Portugal @126+126
Germany +81
Sweden +76
Luxembourg +63
Italy +60
UK +46
And these countries were hurt the most by the jury (vs. the public vote)
Israel -271
Ukraine -161
Croatia -127
Greece -44
Estonia -29
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Obviously Måneskin and Kalush Orchestra also won the public vote. We hadn’t eaten lunch yet so please understand our brief lapse 😅 ❤
@Wiwibloggs please end my misery: is it a Joke that Will is retiring or is it true?
He likes commercial radio songs.. boring.
We are in a higher level. 🇵🇹
Glad you worked that one out eventually.
Netta won both public and jury in 2018!
@@nvardghazaryan211
Netta didnt win the jury vote, im pretty sure it was austria that won the jury vote
It wasn't just the sexual overtones in Olly's song. Sadly we have to face up to the fact that his vocals were not good.
I give the public credit these days- poor vocals go straight to the bottom. As it should be, it is a song contest.
It was way to sexual and that was unnecesary.
I think people forgot Croatia 🇭🇷 actually scored a LOT of points. 547 points is more than what was given too Måneskin, Duncan Lawrence, Netta and Jamala - all winners. This year, their was a very high consentration of points in the top in the both juries and televoting. ”Rim Tim Tagi Dim” was a winner entry, but because the juries points this time were almost all going to Switzerland, it was just outrun. But Baby Lasagna also actually had more jury points (210) than say Måneskin (206).
I wonder how much of that was due to the campaign to save Eurovision. I know I voted for Croatia more because of it.
winner of our hearts
Well deserved - Rim Tim Tagi Dim is a catchier song than Zitti e buoni. The latter may have more complex lyrics, but it’s not like Eurovision audiences voted for those, at least not for non-English songs. Zitti e buoni was certainly a good winner for San Remo, where everyone understands those lyrics. But musically, the chorus is much more repetitive than Rim Tim Tagi Dim.
The points this year are distorted by the disqualification of the Netherlands - a fact that didn't happen when Maneskin and the other winners you mention participated. Croatia would never have gotten the amount of televote points if the Netherlands had indeed competed in the final. So your analysis that Croatia was more popular than previous winners is wrong, sadly.
@@patboywalton2277 But it was only a comparison of points received. The OG did not mention actual popularity. Anyway, sure, Croatia would take a hit if The Netherlands stayed in. But other artists would have lost points as well. I actually put Joost in the same list as Nemo in terms of sound as Baby Lasagna is a little more straightforward rock. I say he would have given all the stand out acts a stir.
This time there is no post eurovision depression, but rather a really strange feeling like i missed something? Final ended almost a week ago, but it still feels the same way as if it was cancelled. No happiness, no thoughts about fairness of the winner winning. Anyway thank you for your discussion videos, hope they will help me get over the whole thing!
You describe the feeling I have too, like it never actually happened, my brain doesn't want this to be the Eurovision this year. One thing is certain, we can't have a second one like this next year. I do have sad feeling about Norway ending last though...
I might sound like a doomer. But my post eurovision depression is replaced by the worry about the future of Eurovision. As a Dutchman it kind of feels like the beginning of the end. At least for my country's participation.
I'm worried whether good and creative artists with a comfortable carreer might look at this year's edition and think: "nah I'll pass." I'm thinking about Marina Satti as an example. I mean, Silvester Belt literally said on twitter his Grand Final performance was traumatizing for him.
Welcome to cancel culture
Same here. Kind of emptyness afterwards. If Croatia hadn't been hurt by juries or juries' votes had been more scattered, like public votes, it would've been way more exciting. After the 5th jury giving 12 points to Sweden my husband said: "Let's go home. Nothing else is gonna happen. Switzerland will win no matter what people want".
Mais vas te noyer dans ton désespoir si les chansons ne te plaisent pas ou si surtout tu n'as pas été attentif ! Sérieux : Nemo was so GOOD, he was the best... and Slimane, my French singer was also very good. And like others. SO RESPECT ! We have a very European good show but if you spit on it : this is your chose of life ! Sorry, C Nathalie de Paris et Good day for you, anyway🥰
I am extremely dissapointed that the Netherlands didn't preform, it would have been a totally different Eurovision finale in my opinion.
It would've been interesting
So I was a huge supporter of Baby Lasagna all season, but at the same time I'm not actually hurt or upset about the final result. Croatia has so much to be proud of here because he gave an amazing show that won the televote and the hearts of people across the world. At the same time I'm super thrilled for Nemo. The code is a beautiful song with so much deep meaning and they are a wonderful ambassador for the contest. I had said going into the final there were about 6 countries I could see winning and would be very deserving of the win. Croatia and Switzerland were both in my list and that didn't change afterwards. I wish them both the best, they will both go down as legends of Eurovision.
"People will come to my concerts not the jury so, 👍👍"
Yes because Switzerland got 0 points from the public.
@@mementomouuuri9013 what does this have to do with Switzerland? The guy just said that he was happy for getting so many people votes, it means that he did something good when so many people liked it and that he is glad because people are those who will come to his concerts tomorrow. His statement had nothing to do with Switzerland. He, himself always spoke highly of Nemo and his song.
@mementomouuuri9013 well public will obviously go to 4 other concerts before going to Switzerland's as they finished FIFTH with the public. Behind THREE ballads.
@@xaggelemoyx2058 Are we really going to pretend like that wasn't a nod to nemo winning the jury-vote?
@@robertcepo1505 As if the public was one entity. As far as I can see though, the number of streams speaks for itself.
Rim Tim Tagi Dim is the 6th highest scoring song in ESC history🎉
You mean by pure points, which is easier recent years because the voting system changed a lot. The current system has the highest chance to get points yet (still highest points per set plus independet set of jury and public points plus the exponential weight model for favorites plus rest of the world vote) and in the current form (with the rest of the world vote) is only for the second year now. Also, it depends on how many countries are competing (there were years when less than 10 countries competed). E.g., you just can't compare this year with 73 sets of points with a maximum of 876 points (two sets per country plus rest of the world vote) with a year with less than 10 sets (that's why there are winners with less than 20 points). When it comes to percentage of maximum points "Rim Tim Tagi Dim" still made it into the top 50 ("The Code" of course as well) , which is still a big success.
@@rowo2774 just bear in mind that this year there were less countries in the competition than usual (at least in recent years). The number of participants fluctuates but a lot of countries are not taking part currently - which means less points in total. For example: North Macedonia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Turkey.... no matter of voting system and it's influence, this is also something that should be taken into consideration.
@@xaggelemoyx2058If these countries were included this year, Croatia would get even more points 😉
@@gordanaeric1531 I know🥰😉
Netherlands was "disqualified" so a lot of the points that would have gone to the Netherlands could have gone to Croatia.
How is William 43? I thought 25-30 thats crazy!
he is 30 for the last 15 years
And Deban is +60?
He is drinking his water
Deep hydration
Thank you so much! No drinking, no drugs, avoid the sun! And Vietnamese DNA
I am happy that guys like Isaak and Dons, often ignored or mocked or even banished by many community „experts“ got some love and appreciation. Btw, there were many „dated“ / retro songs that year. Stop destroying some of them while celebrating the others!
They continue to lie about UK and Olly. The song was bad and Olly's vocals were weak.
And Isaak continues to be trashed.
Thank you for all of your hard work, especially loving these analysis videos!
As a portuguese, we just learned a lot from our nearly 60 years of failing Eurovision.
You can’t possibly please everyone’s tastes, might as well send something WE are proud of. Some of the songs we sent over the last 60+ years are an intrinsic part of Portuguese culture, even though they were overlooked at ESC. And the acts some hardcore Eurovision fans might remember doesn’t make us skip a beat.
No shade in that though. It’s our history and our culture that we choose to share, even if people don’t like it and we don’t win is perfectly fine.
Honestly organizing can be a nightmare of it’s own, we’re good skipping that part, even if that means we won’t share Mena with the world again 😂
Italy always does its thing, and Europe rewards it every year. Portugal and Albania also always do their thing, but that’s usually a bit off from the tastes of the rest of Europe. Perhaps we’re just more used to “the Italian thing”, given how omnipresent it is due to opera etc.
@@metalvisionsongcontest7055 yeah like I said, you can’t please everyone 😊
Some years the difference amongst entries and artistry might get to some people, others years won’t be for everybody’s taste. Like I said it’s fine.
I actually wish more countries would do the same, just send something that culturally represent them to an extent.
I usually appreciate the fact that Italy always sings in Italian, for example. I enjoyed Greece very much for the same reason and the obviously cultural sounds mixing with the more current ones.
I think the diversity of sounds these entries bring, even if they aren’t for everybody’s tastes, are a plus in the contest, but that’s me, not everyone has to feel the same. It’s perfectly fine 😊
@@Mrssilviasmff thanks for explaining so nicely why Portugal is always so amazing, in my humble opinion anyway, and yes, that's what Eurovision should be about. 🎶💃
It is strange what happened to France. It got unexpected many votes from televote, more than Swiss, but it was very underrated by jury, despite Slimane‘s vocals. It makes you think, he was robbed by the jury, teams of professionals in every country.
Idk if you’ve heard, but Slimane’s voice apparently cracked during jury show performance. I guess Murphy’s law, since by that point vocally he was flawless every single time😥 But nevertheless he was deservedly awarded a lot of pts from both public and televote💙🤍❤️
Slimane was amazing! I‘m one of the very few people who really disliked voila (sorry 🙈) but I loooove slimane! ❤
However.. Jury is not only awarding the voice.. if you objectively (as juries should) for example compare composition, the swiss song is way more diverse and complex or compare the lyrics..
I think if you have to break it down into the different criterias like a jury member you‘ll objectively most likely end up putting the code higher up, no matter if you like the song more or not..
they judge more „technicalities“..
while the public is there for the „emotional“ voting..
anyway slimane did great!
I still think Slimane‘s technique is without equal at this contest. It is his voice that makes the song so deeply emotional. Nemo couldn’t make it so valuable like Slimane did. And I liked slimane choreo and outfit more. Regarding Voila you should listen Slimane cover. I not think at my old ages I take all I see that easy. I couldn‘t close my mouth while I watched Slimane. Really entertaining I found croatia, like one who grew up with deep purple, blackmore and gillan for example, pink floyd or metalica. The young ones hardly know good music. Like a grand mother which cried at Gillan screams in seventieths last century, i dont‘t think I should learn something new from you, I heard enough up to now to make a good choice when I listen some music. Slimane was the best and should win. Thanks!
@@santabarbara2105im sorry, was my comment somewhat rude to you? That was not my intent at all and I didn’t try to „teach you something new“, I merely tried to explain why it happened that way. So I’m sorry if it came over wrong, was merely an attempt of a conversation.
I do agree with you that slimanes voice it’s what makes the song and yes I heard his version of voila and I liked it way better indeed. :)
Whilst me too I prefer Slimanes lower voice, I admire Nemos vocal versatility.
Anyway, all the best to you!
France got 227 public votes, Switzerland 226. Imo not really a big difference...
I loved Portugal. Yes, I had to translate the lyrics, but after that I could understand the art and emotion behind it. Well done iolanda! ❤
Reminder to people claiming the juries didn't support Croatia: the juries gave Rim Tim Tagi Dim 210 points which was just 8 points back from 2nd with jury overall. It was Top 5 with 23 juries. For a song like Rim Tim Tagi Dim, that's an outstanding jury result.
I agree. It wasn't expected that Croatia actually did so well with juries, ahead of so many jury-friendly songs. What i think Croatia's result hurt the most, were two facts. One was that all potential jury-winners were a bit underwhelming in the jury final, so Switzerland really stood out there. Also i do think the solidarity voters, expecially for Israel, took a decent amount of potential points that Croatia could have gotten with peaceful circumstances, because in every single country where Croatia came 2nd or 3rd in the public vote, Israel or Ukraine won it.
On the other hand, Croatia certainly benefited from the Netherlands being disqualified, as the Netherlands would have had significantly more influence on the public voting, with the most overlap with Croatia.
@@rowo2774 No it's not. If it was the Netherlands, Switzerland wouldn't have gotten so many 12. Because any 12 would have gone to them and maybe they would have won.
@@stsplit8973 We already know how the juries' result would have been for the Netherlands, because they already voted before the disqualification. And we also know which country's public voted for the Netherlands in the semi and which country's public voted for Croatia in the final. It's not that hard to analyse and to figure out that the overlap between the Netherlands' and the Croatia's entry is the closest, while there is rarely overlap with Switzerland.
@@rowo2774I only know that Switzerland would not be the first. And everything else is less important now.
I was sure that the jury gonna give much more points to Ukraine cause that staging and performance were immaculate. Convinced that they were not voting for Ukraine because they knew that it could potentially win again and then Ukraine couldn’t host again.
The fact everyone is forgetting 🇨🇵 beat 🇨🇭 in televote. 🇨🇭 Came 5th and thats the first time a winner is so low in one of the tele/jury tops.
With a better jury show 🇨🇵 could have done better and 🇭🇷 would have won overall
I totally agree with you!
And if Netherlands was in it - Croatia would have gotten a lot less votes
Israel massive tele,France bad Jury show,Record 12 points to one country costed Croatia win
@@crits2524Interrupted voting was from the UK, Italy, Greece Sms... for votes to Croatia... That's what is known. And where is that which is not known. Not everything is black and white.
There’s not a lot of logic behind this theory, if Slimane performed better in jury he would have more points, but Nemo would still stay comfortably at 12 points. Slimane would have just jumped from 5 points to 8-10 points for a country, but Nemo would still have all the 12 points and their scores would remained the exact same
The thing is, 'Saudade' has a part in English, and 'Grito' is fully in Portuguese. The problem is that you didn't get the language right. Both are ART.
Yes, though Saudade is way better written song than Grito
I think Sausade is musically more accessible.
Usually we think of the Juries as the bad guys, however over the last three years, i think jury votes were more real than Public votes. A lot of politics on the public voting to a point that feels very evident. 😢
Yes .... what makes me so confused is the sheer disparity between 2022 where the public seemed to go out of their way to vote for people who were under attack by another country...and let's be honest that is why they won
But then in 2024 having israel come 2nd in the public vote ... just make this make sense
Do we support the oppressed or don't we
@@jannyjan90 You mean Israel came 2nd with public vote with only 14 points behind public's favourite. 5th was overall.
@@rowo2774 yes ... correction made thank you
Although..its still bad and sends a terrible message
@@jannyjan90 I just think solidarity votes in general distort the competition and at the end we don't know how much it was the artist's achievement. Also, it can have serious consequences for an artist's mental health when interest wanes much after a short while.
In 2022 Jury votes were Changed. With the trullynjury votes Chanel would be number 2
Maneskin - televote winner 2021 - 4th jury.
I agree about UK. For me it was too raunchy. Also I know a lot of people who watched with families, kids and they weren't too pleased when kids started asking questions :D
Introduce 9 and 11 points for the public vote. It wouldn't take away from the magic of 10 and 12 points, since 9 and 11 wouldn't appear on the scoreboard during the jury voting sequence. We'd be more likely to have the public winner come victorious. More people would vote, more profits for the EBU... Less pressure on the jury, and more power to the people!
As someone who's not a huge Eurovision fan, I just don't understand all the novelty songs. I'm not counting Croatia as a novelty song, but I have heard some commenters call it that. And after your comments, I think I finally understand why Germany didn't do better, because I like it a lot. But I'm very old, and you said it's an old fashioned song. Thanks for this video, it was quite enlightening.
"translating songs"!!! And, in english of course ! Bullshit ! Congrats to Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, and all the countries sending songs in their native language. Diversity is part of this World, and let's protect it ( even through language). Very disappointed by your comment.
Eurovision fans don't care about diversity or culture, they only want a good song to dance and have a good time. Usually underrate slow songs, maybe it's time to change Eurovision and Eurovision public to!
Estonia 🇪🇪 Norway 🇳🇴 Lithuania 🇱🇹
Similar to Benjamin Ingrosso in 2018, I think the UK's staging probably confused a lot of viewers with regards to execution.
UK: Bringing a very simply, highly repetitive, dated Boy Band Song, sing it with a weak voice, present it in an unnecessary oversexed staging and expect…. what?
"The moon on a stick", replied Olly Alexander in a recent interview, asked what his expectations were before entering his ESC-Ordeal. "Already during the pre-parties, I knew I'd be in Big Trouble on The Night! The song, the dancing, the singing: it just wasn't me. I'm not cut out for this job, really". Any future plans? "I am so glad that I got that Cameo on EastEnders!", "While shooting at The Queen Vic, I suddenly realized what I really wanted to do: acting!", "For the next season they've asked me to portray 'Wolly, the Dishwasher' on that show. It's all so exciting! I just can't wait to get my hands dirty!".
@@sebastian0107 Maybe he could have said before the ESC that he can't sing and dance.
@@sasat6669 That may seem logical now, but he also said: "I knew my parents would be watching, they've invested so much in me; piano-lessons, dental work, etc.. I wanted to make them feel real proud for once; there just was no turning back".
@@sebastian0107 His parents can be mighty proud of this LIVE performance. 🤣
I would be ashamed of myself as a parent
@@sasat6669 😮💨
Thanks for mentioning that the Swiss delegation stayed humble. As a Swiss that’s really nice to know.
Personally, till the announcement of the public vote, I still thought Croatia would win because I was afraid the song and staging might have been too much for the casual viewer to handle at first listen. I was so thrilled that Nemo got over 200 points from the public. ❤
Nemo is Awesome; slayed every performance! A bit sad for the fans of Baby Lasagna, but a well deserved win for Nemo. Did you watch his performance in 'Heaven', London? Just when you think things couldn't get any better, they throw in an a-capella warm-up that makes you shiver!
Congrats to Switzerland (and you) 🇨🇭 They are a lovely delegation - no drama, very kind, hard-working. Bravo! 🎉
@@Wiwibloggs 💙💙💙
Nemo had a great message for everyone though.
I bet portugal to top10 when odds were 17.0 and 9.0. Won nearly 350euros because of juries 😊
It is not true 2018 was the last year televote winner won the contest
- 2022 Ukraine
- 2021 Italy
Only in 2017 televote and jury aligned. But that it's quite rare to happen. As Jury may look more artistic things and Televote will tend to mainstream stuff.
Has any Italian song ever been truly elevated by exceptional staging? Great songs but visually really unimaginative...now imagine Italian songs staged by the Ukrainian delegation.
Måneskin was not bad.
I don't understand why the jury didn't give points to Slovenia and Norway. By doing this, they proved that they are not professional.
Slovenia was 😴😴😴😴😴🛌🛌
That they did.
Regarding juries, would it not be better instead of 60/40 but to fill in the 11 and 9 points spots so difference between 1st and 2nd, and 2nd and 3rd each time is only one point down instead of 2 points for each position less
26:04 We don't know? Did you really miss the viral video of a Norwegian jury member admitting that he had nothing to do with the other members who ended up giving 8 points in the end? He himself didn't give them the points because of what is happening in Gaza and ranked Israel 23rd. (A2-B6-C3-D23-E2) I would have expected you as a media outlet to condemn such jury behavior, not to say that you understand it and that maybe, as jurors, you would have voted in the same biased or fearful way. - 25:54
"He himself didn't give them the points because of what is happening in Gaza" = political voting.
Nothing to do with the song.
As someone from the UK agree with most of your comments. It was too much. We know eurovision has a reputation of being a bit camp sometimes but a lot of European countries are quite Conservative or heading more that way so not surprised it didn't go down well. Plus his vocals weren't great. I hope this doesn't discourage the BBC from being a bit more out there with the staging though because it really was incredible
In my opinion, dropping the juries in the semi finals is a big factor in the jury - televote discussion. It puts less jury-songs in the final, giving the juries less songs to choose from than the public. The songs with jury appeal that get through to the final make a big jump in the eventual ranking. We've seen that last year with Gustaph and Alika and this year with Iolanda and Nemo. Both Nemo and Loreen didn't win their semi.
So I would say: bring back the juries in the semis. Then the jury vote in the final will probably be a tighter race with several songs at the top, just like the televote.
Totally agree!
Not true. Specially when you see such landslide with juries. Impossible to turn around by anything.
Nothing that was left in the SF would have changed it. If something like Belgium, Denmark or Australia were in the finals this year, do you think They were going to to top any of these 22 Swiss jury 12 points or even some of Swiss10 points? Not. Maybe They were going to stela point from others but not from Switzerland.
Same in 2023.
Juries just went like crazy in that direction for whatever reason.
@@nilerra8181 I think some countries would select other songs to start with, so we don't really know. That said: these past two years the jury winner won the contest. we have to go back to 2015 to find a winner that did better with the jury than with the televoting (or they tied, or the televote placing was better). So I don't think it's a very big issue myself. If this trend continues however, just going back to the previous system will solve it. Does anyone know why they changed it, actually?
@@dv2483
I don't think countries would change the way they choose. Maybe some of the ones that go internal might but most of these still try to go jury-bait these past 2 years as usual. Hasn't really changed that much.
EBU changed it because of jury "controversy" in 2022 and because they also want the public favourites in the final and then let the juries do their thing like Melodifestivalen. Sweden style.
I like the fact that ibx2cat is now here collaborating with these incredible Eurovision analyses 🔥
I didn’t know Casper Ruud watched Eurovision.
OMG I love that comment! lol
Good review guys - enjoyed that. Don't like to 60-40 split either due to targeted voting dangers. Need some type of third vote type (hybrid Jury/Public etc).. Maybe the artists voting themselves!!! Don't know - but something has to change...
Maybe Televote, Jury Vote and Demoscopic Vote? It would tighten the gap between what the Televote and Jury Vote like at least.
Maybe get robots to vote. Like an AI vote.
🤣
There's a detail I think a lot of people have forgotten about. I forget when this happened, but didn't the EBU adjust the ranking values so that it was more of an exponential curve instead of a linear system? That's probably what's making the points cluster around the top. What if you used an exponential curve for the televote and a linear one for the juries? That would allow you to keep a 50/50 system on paper, but it gives the public more power through the back door.
Hello William, it was just very weird, such focus on Switzerland from so many juries. I am not so sure it was exactly normal. You remember how earlier juries were voting different scores for winner, sometimes winner would get more, sometimes less from juries, but this time it is just a bit suspicious. Can you think of 12 points so many times to a winner? it would be good to have this analysis.
Congrats to Nemo 👍😎❤️🎉🇨🇭🎶
Metlers win is rigged
@@krostovkrostov7409 "win"
🇨🇭❤
Well, now I think Croatia actually dodged a bullet...considering all the mess with this year hosting. Don't know how will all go next year but if certian country will be again in next year contest, good luck Switzerland.
I don't agree, Croatian songs are listened to by old and young people. He united all generations. I wouldn't say about the other songs. Few singers in our country or in the world can achieve that. It is sung, listened to and danced by both young and old. The bullet was intended for someone else.
@@stsplit8973 Ma Marko je pobjednik na milijardu razinu kako god okrenes. Nek Svicarci sad razbijaju glavu sta ce s Izraelom iduce godine. Mozda nam je ovo i stvarno ovako bolje ispalo. Marko je moralni pobjednik, a ustedit cemo hrpu para. Svedska je htjela domacinstvo pod svaku cijenu i evo sta su dobili. Najgoru euroviziju ikad. Sretno Svicarska 🤭
Hey William - just wondering if you and Deban will be doing a "biggest crimes" video. 💓
I totally agree! 60/40! It can hurt the competition if the fan favourite almost never wins. And as you said, the jury clusters around 1-2 songs
The jury clusters around a spiked punch bowl.
The public favourite won 5 out of 10 times in the last decade so it evens out
I have to say about the UK song, my sister who lives in the UK with her children found it was a bit too much, and she's not at all conservative. Her kids, both didn't like it, and felt it was over the top. (the girls are 16 and 12)
Uk was 85% staging 15% song so . ...
oh my God, William, i laughed like an idiot because of your Loreens performance comments 😂😂😂
lol. i love her to bits still though
Zurich? Is it confirmed yet? haha
2021 and 2022 both won the public vote and overall
Why not have the public rank songs like the jury does? This would result in a better and fairer spread of votes and give love to a range of songs people liked.
The only thing annoying is how toxic the fangroups have become over the past years. I just feel like every year the loosers fans get even saltier and more hateful. And then they pretend like the thing was rigged or too political. As if Switzerland bought the juries… SRG just had to go through massive budget cuts and doesn‘t even know how it will finance the thing…
Losers... Haha. A few days ago, the data for Karija last year was published. The most listened to performer. Loren is not the winner. This year, BL is the second, but in our hearts it is the first, and the whole world proves it with the published data. Next year we will see the statistics. The only anger is with the 22 judges who, like drug addicts, gave 12 to only one song, and 0 to favorites or some other good songs. Remember and return. No hard feelings.
@@stsplit8973maybe they did this because Switzerland ticked more of the jury criteria than Croatia ?? A song doesn’t deserve points from the jury because it is the public favorite. They have criteria on what to watch and one is the voice and I’m sorry but Nemo beats EVERY artist on that category with their performance
@@usertherucanioWe can discuss decisions for days. It ended the way it did. But you can't deny the fact that the song was written by 6 authors. 25-30 top experts from former ESC vacs participated in everything, from singers to as many as 12 members of former ESC juries. When I look at all these data, this song is especially mediocre. You can say as much as you want, but the truth is that the one who wrote and composed completely copied part of the Queen of the Night aria. We are not all illiterate in classical music. And everything is fine as long as the jury is looking at it. But I can't justify myself to the individual judges, not only for the RIM TIM song, but also for some other songs that were not given points, meaning 0 or too low marks... This means that regardless of the value of the song, it falls in people's eyes when you see how much the team worked for a year on that song with people from ESC. What can we expect from the jury but to reward the efforts of their colleagues who, according to them, did a great job. The problem of the jury and their voting has long been questioned. I have been following 45 years and I have seen various illogicalities in their assessment, especially dividing points between myself and individual countries for years. We didn't need to watch the jury because we knew who would vote for whom. The exceptions were the miracle of songs that even the jury could not defeat thanks to the audience.
All this story you've written still doesn't change the fact that Switzerland's song was a better composed song and better sung than croatia. Croatia song is a fun song while Switzerland is not but still musically better. So miss me with the jury favoured Swiss. If you listen to music critics and vocal coaches, tgey obviously said they'd lean towards Swiss song more. The point is they both won in their respective area, Croatia with the public and Swiss with the jury. @@stsplit8973
@@stsplit8973 I guess you should check your sources. Becasue your numbers ain't right! Käärjiä was second, he lost to Loreen. He hasn't lost the contest, neither did he win. And yet Loreen streaming numbers and sales speak for themselves.
You know? X-factor, Eurovision2016, Mask singer2023. All winner Dami im
This time when Jury vote should make it less political and more about music, worked apposite, so nonmusical vote from Jury, clearly political with some countries.
Last time televote winner were in 2022, 2021 too
Hurricane is NOT CHARTING in a single country that gave them 12 or 10 points. If this isn't solid evidence that they were trying to manipulate the televote and were organizing mass votings, I don't know what is. There has been so much debate about juries that we neglected to face the reality on how quickly and easily the public vote can be exploited as well.
Or maybe 4/5 biased jury dont actually represent the public. I know, shocking.
Isn't it the only song charting in ITunes now? At least in the US
Eden is way more than Eurovision. Her voice is off the charts. She ain't even on the same level, she's next level.
For a sec here I thought William and Freddie were married lol
Marina and Greece deserved better ❤
This show used to be fun family viewing. Now it really has an 18 rating. It's a shame that audiences are being excluded in this way, as the idea of Eurovision was that everyone could be involved.
What was 18 rated?
@@elsafralves Figurative
Art shouldn’t be limited, don’t watch if u don’t like that.
Kids are involved.
Sweden's jury points are overbloated. Ironic the song is called Unforgettable.
Luxembourg was ok - but it did sound like older ESC entries
....how can we compete with the jury?....whatever the audience decides, the jury has the last vote!....what can I say except that this competition is pointless if we ask the profession!....most of the audience has no musical education, but that's made for the audience not for the jury!..if they want quality versus what the audience wants they shouldn't have such an influence!.....it should be proportional, they must know that the majority of the audience is not musically educated!.....like a competition from physics - quantum physics or physics, or it doesn't matter!.....which major?!?!....the common man has no idea, but he knows what he likes!....if we behave professionally, why then the audience's voice?!?!...
By the way, you can pretty good German! Helene Fischer is a legend in Germany and Austria.
William on UK: "To come 13th with jury... So it was respected... I think vocally, it was slightly off". Jury's inconsistency again. These are the same juries who respected Swiss and Portuguese vocals. And then 13th place to "the vocals were off". 😵
So the discussion about Israel around the 26:00 mark proves the voting is not about the song, or the singing, staging, production, etc. and/or a combination therof, like it should be, but it's about politics, public and jury voting both. How to get around that? Exclude countries involved in any war/s? Its hard not to pick sides in a situation like that. Russia was excluded (from the contest). Ukraine was invaded.
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Croatia should have won💕✌🏻🏆😻❤
Despite finishing as a runner-up in the Eurovision Song Contest, "Baby Lasagna" emerged as the undeniable people's choice, capturing hearts ❤ and votes across the globe. With an impressive 337 points from the public, it's clear that Baby Lasagna resonated deeply with audiences, captivating them with its infectious melody and memorable lyrics. While the juries may have favored another contestant, the overwhelming support from fans solidifies Baby Lasagna's status as the true winner in the hearts of many. Its undeniable popularity and impact prove that sometimes, the real victory lies in the love and admiration of the people. YOU KNOW THAT, WE KNOW THAT, EVERYBODY KNOW THAT who the real WINNER IS❤
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I'm still in shock how Portugal got 139 points. Don't get me wrong Grito did a great job but 139 points... no
Sorry, go study music
Helene Fischer going to Eurovision is just the new version of the eternal question, “When are you gonna send Rammstein?” Just like in the UK, these artists will always be afraid that Eurovision will tank their careers.
In reality, it’s the other way round, but this leads to a self-fulfilling prophecy: Famous artists from the Big Five usually only show up to Eurovision once their careers are already in decline (Bonnie Tyler, No Angels, Cascada etc.) - and there’s a reason for that. Then, they get a bad result at Eurovision, and blame the competition for their declining career. When in fact, their declining career predicted their bad result at Eurovision.
I don’t know how long Helene Fischer will be able to maintain her current level of success, given that a lot of the appeal of her shows is based on acrobatics etc. If she goes to Eurovision one day, but at an age when she’s no longer able to pull off such a show, her and Germany will be in for a rude awakening.
Meanwhile, a lot of countries in Eastern Europe see Eurovision as their yearly one-shot opportunity to stand in the spotlight, so they send their *currently* most successful artists. This year’s example is Dons for Latvia, who finally ended their non-qualification streak - even though his success within Latvia is probably in part based on him singing in Latvian. And yet, even in not-quite correct English (“It’s killing me slow”), he was able to appeal to an audience outside of Latvia.
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absolutely no "mystery" about Ukraine being put in #2 slot, the producers obviously wanted to ensure that Croatia, Switzerland and France did as well as possible -- at the expense of Israel, whom they most certainly did NOT want to win either overall or the televote ---- and arranged the running-order accordingly. Ukraine and the Netherlands (both obvious televote-magnets) were essentially "sacrificed" by being put in #2 and #5.
Wow the sound is really low guys.. Can hardly hear what you are saying even though everything is at MAX here.
About Ollie using his own team instead of the BBC team. Has the BBC team been so successfull earlier years?
Great point. If Olly spins this right it can go well for him. He delivered an uncompromising vision - and I'm sure his fanbase will love it.
I didn't like the dirty bathroom/gym on the performance, it gave me the urge to buy cleaning supplies😅. I didn't mind the dancers. The song is ok, catchy.
@@MyMpc1 Sure. And if he takes a year or two off for some singing lessons, he'll be fine.
@@carolinap4663 Oh really, it gave me different urges, I'm glad I'm wired that way.
@@sebastian0107 Yeah - there was this really unsuccessful 'singer' in the 1980s. I think her name was Madonna. She had one hit single, then disappeared. She should have took singing lessons.
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Baby lasagna❤❤❤
Swedish act had a lot of strobing lights and as a photosensitive person I just had to look away almost the entire time, because to this point it was just visually very uncomfortable. And for some people those lights can trigger migraine or epilepsy. So I guess it could play against them as well for some portion of televotes
They don't need it: they are great performers without it. Made them less visible to.
This Eurovision was depressing. I’m going to take a hiatus from Eurovision for a couple of years. It’s too political.
It *was* depressing. And way too political.
Maneskin won televote too in 2021?!
exactly
Why saying « the jury helped this or that country »??? They deserved those points! Switzerland, Portugal, etc. deserved those points! Point
William is retiring😢
I hope that was a joke. Anyways he was talking about going to some national finals next year, so probably not.
Israel getting 12 points from the portuguese and spanish public makes no sense
And the Netherlands!
And Ireland, Australia, Netherlands, Finland, Azerbaijan……… fans admitting to voting multiple times with multiple cards, from Multiple countries. They didn’t “win” anything.
I've seen many people from Spain saying they loved the song
I Don't agree to reduce the Jury Vote to 40%. You kiss good bye to small countries - it is a ludicrous even cretinous suggestion and you will just get fewer participant countries. Already a country like Malta can never get into the finals because the semis are selected by televotes only. This is NOT a popularity contest it is a SONG contest.
Disagree. If you send a great song, you will be in the final. It’s unfair that a song that is supposed to be 20th with people’s vote, gets their way into the top 10 and the ones that public loves more are mid table cause of some random jury’s personal taste. A handful of people can’t be as important as millions. And to add - malta isnt in the finals because they didn’t deliver a good song for years now let’s be real
@@GossipGirl770 If you are a small country you wont get the votes of a larger country or country with a large diaspora. It is meant as competition and Israel coming second in the Televote with a totally rubbish song is so unfair. They also essentially bought their votes and should be disqualified for cheating. The present system is fine. You are just pissed your favourite did not win! If they changed to that you will lose participants.
Thank you!
@@GossipGirl770 It is just a fact that some smaller countries constantly struggle in the televote no matter what they send and have to send something very good/extraordinary to score a decent amount of points. compared to some other countries who can send mediocre entries and still do fairly well.
I think you don't understand the implications of expanding the jury. If the jury is trying to be objective, they as a collective will nearly always reach the same conclusion as to who was the best (like Switzerland this year). Expanding the jury to 20 people creates an even larger consensus. Nemo would've had 400 points from the jury if the juries were 20 jurors each. It is a good idea on paper, but not in practice, because every juror going against the majority will be drowned out even harder
How do you figure that when even with 20 jurors, the maximum a country could get would be 12 points from the jury
@@sav0001 Yes, but the countries that didn't give Switzerland 12 points probably would've had there been more jurors since there was clearly a belief in the jury that Switzerland's song is far superior to anything else
Definitely Loreen's weakest performance in Eurovision and a missed opportunity. She's still amazing though.
Where is Deban? Was he disqualified along with Joost Klein, ho neeey?
He’s been on holiday. Eurovision isn’t always relaxing, so he prefers to take holiday in peace ☮️
Think should go back to public vote as seems jury are voting politically now with some countries. However Nemo deserved winner✨ Is the voting from start happening every year?
The jury vote this year was the most political in years so saying that jurors are meant to lessen the political voting is completely wrong.
There were other acts that were in-your-face, Spain comes to mind, and one of those ended up the winner (khm-khm). And UK ends up with 0 public votes. If any country has put out most legendary and timeless music and bands in the last 75 years it's the UK, and they just don't do well on ESC.
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😆 YES!
Sweden - staging - I really, really don't like that. I don't like, when a live performance looks like a video clip. what's the point. Can't wait, they stop doing that. Sweden? can live without their signature entries
Justice for Marina ❤️🥹🇬🇷 juries were so cruel with her
Somehow, Loreen’s landslide jury victory last year seems like a child’s play these days - not bc the exact same happened again (and to a greated extent), but for the whole other reasons….
In my eyes Loreen and Nemo are the heroes now😻
They’re the angels Eurovision always needed especially during these times, they have an actual voice and message to say and REPRESENT unity.
No offense to Kaarija or Baby Lasagna, but they would have never been nearly as good representatives as Loreen and Nemo.
The thing with jury vs public vote is that the jury gets to rank their top ten and give points to each of them. With the public vote, we have 20 votes, if we can afford them (I always vote once, not more). We obviously vote for our favourite, not our top ten. That means good songs get zero points, because they aren't anyones number one, even if they are in the top 10. I voted for Ireland, but my other favourites were Lithuania, Ukraine, Armenia, the UK, Norway and Estonia and Switzerland. France was ok, so was Slovenia. I strongly disliked Croatia. But my vote went to Ireland. I think, rather than going from 50:50 voting, it would be more interesting to make it possible to vote for a top 10. Now, it's impossible to, even with full 20 points, to vote according to your ranking, and that kinda sucks.
I'm glad Switzerland won, even if it wasn't my favourite song. The song was personal, professional, artistic and catchy. It sucks for Nemo that their win came on the most difficult ESC year ever. They deserved to win because they were the best overall package, not because they were, literally, Switzerland.
I'm from Finland, and although many of us here were upset last year, because we didn't win "because of the jury votes", this year I'm relieved we have the jury. I have faith that if, one day, we have a universally pleasing song, it'll get high scores from both the public and the jury.
The jury was far by being professional. Televote should have at least 70% of final result.
Croatian Jury gave Switzerland 0 points - and Croatian televoters only 1 ... how competent must be this "strange Jury" .. so Croatian Jury was the only "Jury " not to give any points 2 Switzerland...
They should be applauded. Both the jury and the audience alike. That's the only thing they hit on. I don't like it either, and there were better songs. You are amazed at that, and the audience and the jury have a unique criteria view of that song. I can't help but wonder that in 45.46 years of following the ESC, I've never seen so many 12s unanimously, unilaterally awarded to one song. How to explain the favorite of the day, 58% of bookmakers, no 13% and 1 jury, 5 in televote, and BL 1 audience 3... out of so many juries, he didn't get a single point. That never happened either. One Abba, Logan, Toto did not get so many 12 and they were winners. The best winners from the Eurovision Song Contest. As well as the impossibility of voting, interruption for Croatia by phone and SMS. This should be checked especially Sms from Greece. And why was it interrupted only towards Croatia. Not congested lines but broken lines. Voting suspended. Many are talking about it. One thing is known, the whole world sings it, it's a hit and it will be listened to, sung and danced for a long time, unlike Nema, the only thing you can do is sit like in a theater. You can't sing it. This was proven in Malmö. Even he can't always hit the high note, let alone you who listen to him. The song is not for dancing, so you can't do that either. It means theater and nothing else than a song that is otherwise chaotic and interrupted. Well done to the jury 0 points. That's what it's worth.
I actually really appreciated that both Nebulossa and Olly used their free ticket to the final to push the boundaries with staging. No acts in either performance were explicitly inappropriate, although certainly many found them to be "too much", in part because of the specific genders of the people involved. If you're going to be in the finals as an automatic qualifier, I appreciate being boldly queer and flamboyant with your staging more than playing it safe.
It used to be a family show.
@@egyptianhibiscus9203 can you share what exact year you think Eurovision stopped being a family show?
@@kevanmcdougallmph Hm... This year? :) Don't know really, since the nakedness began. Has nothing to do with queer or not. I liked Chanel's song for example, but she was too naked. Albania's Ronella (2 years ago) was quite vulgar. Every year getting worse, what's next? And as much as I was fascinated by Irland this year, it was just too much. Definitely not a family show
@@egyptianhibiscus9203 okay so based on your statement, would 2022 be the year that turned the contest from "family show" to "not a family show"?
@@egyptianhibiscus9203 More artistic expression is more important than keeping it a family show. Don’t watch it with your kids if u don’t think it’s appropriate
Agreeing you’d be a spineless juror too, that’s disappointing
ı am all for 50/50 voting system because it saves the contest
UK zero - that was harsch. I'd whished nobody would ever get zeor points. sure, I did not like the performance - but zero? that hurts
In the 'Göteborgs Dagbladet' Olly revealed what went wrong: "I knew my parents would be watching, they've invested so much in me; piano-lessons, dental work, etc.", "I wanted to make them feel real proud for once; there just was no turning back".
We asked Olly what his expectations were before entering his Eurovision-Ordeal: "The moon on a stick", he said: "But already during the Pre-Parties, I knew I'd be in Big Trouble on The Night! The song, the dancing, the singing: it just wasn't me. I'm not cut out for this job, really". Any future plans? "I am so glad that I got that Cameo on EastEnders!", "While shooting at The Queen Vic, I suddenly realized what I really wanted to be: an actor!", "For the next season they've signed me to portray 'Wolly, the Dishwasher'. I'm so excited! I just can't wait to get my hands dirty!".
100% televote
We want the real time results reaction. Not this