I mean it is possible arccording to Zelda Lore that he can return. In the Child Timeline he was killed in Four Swords Adventures and in the Adult Timeline the World is flooded and so it's not really possible that he will return...BUT...in tue Downfall Timeline he is still sealed in the Four Sword and can somehow be returning and became free from his prison. Also it will be perfect for this timeline because of the Grafics. They can use the Links Awakening Remake Grafic.
I'd love to see Vaati come back, especially since we've never seen him in 3D. We have very few non-Ganon villains, and I feel like they deserve to be utilized more often.
How neat is it that despite all the evil Vaati’s done, he still finds time to bring us Dark Souls lore videos? He really is one of the most interesting villains in the series to me.
So much apparently occurs between Skyward Sword and Minish Cap, you've got the founding of Hyrule, the start of the Royal Family, the Interloper War from Twilight Princess, the sealing of the Triforce in the Sacred Realm, the apparent extinction of the Mogma, the Picori giving the Light Force to Hyrule, the Hero of Men legend, and Vaati studying under Ezlo If Nintendo ever wanted to do a massively story driven game, the most eventful period of Hyrule happens off screen, lol
But why lol, We got the actual Zelda games I much prefer it action-orientated as it is. Wind Waker and some others even give you in-game tapestries and crude wall art to envision off. Even Breath 2s trailer has these. I love it this way rather than be just sold another old comic strip or a book.
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Minish Cap is an exactly perfectly rated game. Its fans just over rate it. It's fun, but its not even close to leaving the bottom of the list of Zelda games. Its the Ocarina problem where 99% of its fans played it when they were ten so they can't view it less personally.
What if the Vaati that comes after his death is a botched rebirth of sorts. It's shown that if Ganon is resurrected wrong he'll mentally break, so what if Vaati had a failsafe just in case? A slapdash resurrection spell that didn't quite work right. It would explain his inability to remember his original plan but still remember one thing that was necessary to it, a beautiful girl. He doesn't remember why he needs one, but he does remember that he does. I get the feeling that if Four Swords Zelda looked like Minish Cap Zelda he would have jogged his memory a bit better, but that's just my take on it.
There is a popular theory based on this. Essentially, because vaati is slain in the minish cap, he cannot come back. So there are no more four swords games after minish cap on the timeline in this case. But, where does four swords go? Vaati is alive in that game, so somehow vaati succeeded instead of being defeated by link. This means that the minish cap is where the "downfall" timeline branches off, headed by the two four swords games.
@@isaacbunsen5833 Sorry this is long. The only problem I have with that is that it ignores that death is never really final in the games. How many times has Ganon/Ganondorf truly died? Twice, and it took the Hero of Twilight, the physically strongest hero, and the Hero of Winds, the one who plunged the Master Sword into his skull when in Gerudo form, to do it, even then Ganondorf went through a lot of hell to get him to those states. I don't think the forces of evil have the ability to just shove off this mortal coil, it takes a hell of a lot to finally off them. Wind Waker Ganondorf was still talking while he was a makeshift unicorn! I'm ignoring Malladus, Bellum and Majora because they haven't been shown to resurrect, but Vaati, Ganondorf/Ganon, and Demise have all shown a sort of resistance to permanent death. Ganondorf: Look at all the "killing blows" he's suffered, dead, but with the right magic he can be brought back. The only time this didn't happen was Wind Waker and Twilight Princess and I'm certain Wind Waker Ganondorf is only that way because his minions can't swim. Demise: in his avocado form took a wish from the full Triforce, and his true form, a hero going to the past to fight him when he's just been returned to his true form, and even then he needed to sit in timeout in the Master Sword for who knows how long. Vaati: He is defeated in 3 forms before he is supposedly killed, but then he shows up again. It takes being killed by the last known wielder of the four sword to finally end him. All this to say that them early big bads were a different breed. Malladus and Bellum and even Majora died pretty easily compared to the other 3.
In the manga, the "wickedness in hearts of mean" is further elaborated. It shows Vaati watching humans that are stronger, like bullies, getting what they want. This is when he realizes the importance of power.
By far my favorite Legend Of Zelda villian, the picori turned wind mage has one of the most interesting backstories in my opinion. It surprises me to think that vaati is the second most reoccurring Zelda villian after Ganon/Ganondorf, yet is kind of obscure to some in the community.
@@asc3nded397 The big problem with that is that only one of those three games can be played single, the others required you to have 3 other friends with GBA and the game... And even worse, the last game required you to have a game cube and 3 GBA's.
Vaati’s story reminds me of Zamasu in DragonBall Super. An apprentice driven by man’s hate, turning on his mentor, obtaining a higher power to wreck havoc on the world
Back when I was a kid I wasn't as into Zelda as I am today, but for some reason Vaati was the only villain who stuck out in my mind other than Ganon. He's really interesting to me and he definitely deserves more attention!
He is quite underrated. Even by Nintendo itself. I wish he would return but Nintendo does seem to care very little about him. But it would be so hype if he unexpectedly returned. He is also a primordial evil.
The big issue is that Vaati isn't a Nintendo Zelda villain, he's a Capcom Zelda villain. Capcom developed Four Swords and Minish Cap, and since they don't develop Zelda games any more, I don't see him ever returning. The only time Nintendo developed a game involving Vaati without Capcom's involvement was Four Swords Adventure, which saw Vaati destroyed and replaced by Ganon as the primary antagonist by the end.
@@infinitesheldon5710 It still shows that Vaati is owned by Nintendo and that he can appear without Capcom. A more plausible explanation is that Nintendo just wants Vaati to be the Four Swords villain. If they made such a game again, Vaati might returns.
@@Ninjaananas It would be interesting to see Vaati appear in a new Four Swords game. An optional multiplayer where you gain the strength to beat Vaati. A nonlinear type of game where Link gains the power to split himself into four with a kind of sword. The Four Sword could have a new design to look oddly or eerily similar to the Master Sword.
@@infinitesheldon5710 While that is true the director of Botw and Botw2 is the same one who wrote and directed Minish Cap. I'd say that Botw2 is the best chance to see him again.
@@ozero00rockon I mean, I think that was originally the plan for Triforce Heroes ? But then they realised having 5 layers of height to plan the levels with constantly was too much, and the 3DS couln't handle it, so they went with 3 Links,
Definitely would love to see Vaati's return in a Zelda game. Personally, Ganon's turn to Calamity Ganon opens such a huge door. Sure, Nintendo can return Vaati with his usual plan to kidnap maidens and Zelda, but it can be so much more. Who says he hasn't twisted further during his incarceration during the downfall and adult timeline? What if once freed, he learns about the Divine Beasts and the Guardians? Though not as powerful as Ganon, the type of things Vaati could do with that technology given his dark magic is endless. I think it's an idea Nintendo should dabble on if they're not going to return the Minish, which they should. I don't know, these are just some thoughts.🤗
Funny thing is, I heard they'd actually wanted to have the Minish appear in Breath of the Wild but had to cut them for some reason. Maybe we'll see their return in BotW2?
Vaati is my overall favorite irrespective of the actual games they're in. But of course, my actual favorite has to be *Ghirahim.* We finally got a brand-new fully choreographed, 3D movie-like mainline Zelda villian dripping with attitude. I love everything about him; he wasn't OTT, pretentious; he was awkward, weird, cold yet so up and personal - like any great Villain. And totally unique.
3D Vaati would be an interesting sight, especially his monstrous form. Monstrous corruptions seem to evolve and get worse as time goes on, so it'd be interesting to see how scary they can make Vaati. Exploring the reasons he suddenly wanted to marry Zelda would also be interesting.
@@HiAgainTheNameIsStillAyleyeah. that one has a really cool design when you see it like not in pixels. i also love vaatis regular sorcerer design and the colors work well.
Since the Four Sword is found in the Dark World in the GBA version of Link to the Past, this may mean that in the Downfall Timeline Vaati was one of the many people who travelled to the Dark World in search of the Golden Power, bringing the sword with him.
I don't think that's what it means, given that the Four Sword in ALttP seems to already be split, and creates Dark Links rather than releasing Vaati. I think what we're seeing there is more of a reflection of the true Four Sword, its shadow, with the real Four Sword still resting in the Four Sword Sanctuary. Until we get a DT Four Swords game, I guess we won't know
"Vaati's story begins after he decided to use his amazing voice to explain FromSoft's SoulsBorne series' lore and explain how those worlds suck for basically everyone in them..."
Vaati, Veran, Onox, and Agahnim would have all been interesting to play as. Vaati and Onox could have even had Giant Boss fights like Ganon had, alongside Dethl from Link's Awakening and Majora's Wrath.
Honestly, I would like to see Vaati come back and actually challenge Ganon. I think it would be interesting to see them have a power struggle with Link, Zelda, and the rest of Hyrule caught up in the middle.
Honestly, Four Swords Adventures did Vaati unbelievably dirty. This was a great opportunity to have two different villains duking it out for the right to rule Hyrule, or at the very least expand on Vaati as a character, but instead he was given no dialogue and the whole game treats him like old news in favour of the villain we've already faced like a dozen times already at this point.
The Minish Cap is my favorite Zelda game and Vaati is a big reason as to why. He's an amazing antagonist and I would absolutely be thrilled to see him return in any form.
@@bullymaguire9987 But who would that be? I mean, Link's green attire was inspired by Peter Pan, so a queen of evil could be inspired by Malificent, instead of a sword a staff, with earing son the nose resembling a boar.
Shoulda saved this for an April Fools that turns out to be a VaatiVidya documentary. Would like to see him more before he transforms into his boss mode, where he was apparently a super good swordsman as well as mage. Would make for a sweet fight in today's technology.
Y'know, seeing this, the automaton with the lotuses in the botw 2 trailer kind of looks similar to the carving of Vaati in the four sword sanctuary. That coupled with the significance of the sky makes me wonder if Vaati might have some kind of role in the game as a minion of Ganon, like in four swords adventures.
I think Demise's curse grabs onto young men, with darkness in their hearts, and gradually feeds them malace until they become a monstrous beast. This explains why this seems to happen an awful lot throughout the timeline.
That makes the most sense to me too and I really like the notion that Demise’s curse is not just locked onto Ganon/Ganondorf like we thought, but instead spreads it’s evil tendrils in numerous ways at once. And if u think about it, there doesn’t seem to be any normal evil in the Zelda universe like there is in real life. Instead, every occurrence of evil has some supernatural origin to it, possibly all leading back to Demise! Or maybe there could be other primordial demons like him causing trouble throughout time and space.
@@MerkhVision we see Malladus and Bellum, so it seems even if they were under Ganon's thumb before, their are independent demons and monsters happy to fill the void in between the rise of the demon king. That would also make me more interested to see what the heck happened with the Interlopers. A mysterious group of beings after the Triforce who somehow got ahold of a magical artifact so powerful the goddesses had to intervene? We need more to that tale!
@@skrubknight884 I thought the Interlopers became the Twili. Like, they tried to steal the Tri-Force, using dark magic that was sealed in the Fuse Shadow so they were banished to the Twilight Realm where they evolved into Twili.
I want more fanservice in Zelda games (the cool kind of fanservice). Quick cameos and callbacks are nice, but I want more of a crossover epic story someday. I mean, I want a game where Vaati, Bellum, Malladus, Yuga and Majora come back. Or maybe just some of them. Ganon can be the big bad, but I want more of the feelings I felt with Spider-Man No Way Home (and a lot of what comics achieve somewhat frequently). Being always 100% new stuff (besides Ganon and Zelda) for more than 18 games leaves what means most to us underused.
@cedrick Yes, you're right, Sonic. That's why I want it to be an event and to be left alone for a time after it's done. And it should be done as a love letter to fans. But of course, this is an utopia lol
sadly i dont think nintendo would ever dethroned their ganon/ganondorf any day soon... in the big console main zelda games anyway. i wish the minish didnt cut from botw. at least there was some consideration there tho.
Even though, like you said, it's unlikely Vaati spawned from Demise's curse: it would open the door for villain's other than Ganondorf to rise to power but play the same familiar notes. Maybe during BotW2, Link kills zombie/lich Ganondorf, thus breaking the curse on the Gerudo man... but Demise's curse would still exist. It finds a new host with darkness in their heart and takes them as it's new form, creating a new age Ganondorf. This new villain could be Rito or Zora, Goron or, you guessed it, Minish. Whatever they start out as, they can make their final desperate form be that of a raging boar to seal the connection between the new villain and The Calamity. BotW I always felt was a clean soft reboot of sorts for the Zelda Franchise. They have the chance to cherry-pick everything they've ever made and make it fit into long-running narrative instead of continuing to work backwards and try to fit everything together after the fact into a timeline. Demise's curse affecting not just the one Gerudo Male would open up opportunities to put the side-races into the spotlight or even invent new races that just left Hyrule completely after the Calamity and returned after it's defeat.... say... perhaps... the Minish.
Few people know after Vaati was banished from hyrule he discovered a new realm he couldn’t directly interact with. He became so enamored with this universe of light and dark in perpetual conflict he set his mind and heart toward documenting the mythology and history of the unique worlds he beheld. Years of study set his mind and heart at ease and he set about to share his work through a medium that transcended time and space. Whilst he never returned to a Hyrule and his desire for its conquest faded away, he found peace in the dark and sad world he stumbled upon and made it his life’s work to share said knowledge far beyond the barriers that bound him.
And in roughly three weeks he'll leave that land for another, filled with twisted demigods and more varied, interesting magic than self-buffs and pew pew lasers.
It's about time Vaati gets recognition, especially after Age of Calamity's Astor took clear inspiration from parts of his design. I'd love to see him as a boss in BotW 2 or even his own game, but since it's been so long I'm just hoping he at least becomes relevant through a Minish Cap remake.
Minish Vaati is still my favorite Zelda villain for his "way to villainy" (then Demise and afterwards on place 3 OoT Ganondorf). I would still love Nintendo exploring the idea of two villains warring over dominion in Hyrule with Ganondorf and Vaati as the actors. By now Hyrule is big enough to get a nice experience out of this idea imho.
I want to see vaatii debut in a 3d game. I'm not sure how the four swords will work. Maybe its lost and a new seal is needed. Imagine time puzzles like clank solved in a crack in time.
The four sword could work in a 3D game; it just would require Nintendo realizing something I don't think they've ever considered: a Four Swords game doesn't have to be a multiplayer game. Being able to control four Links at once could potentially make for a fantastic single-player Zelda game.
I mean Vaati can appear in a game without the foursword or multiplayer. I'm holding onto hope that he's in Botw2 with the small teases like the eye on Links shield and the stone golem. With the director of the game being the same as Minish Cap this would be the best chance for a return and write the final story for all Villains in Zelda for Botw2 so only new ones will appear in the future.
@@megarotom1590 Four Swords Adventures could indeed be played single-player; that's how I ended up playing it because I didn't have any of those cables that connect the GBA to the GameCube. But it was built around being multiplayer; hence it being level-based rather than having a proper explorable Zelda world.
@@matthewmuir8884 I'd actually argue the opposite, compare it to triforce heroes for instance and you notice something instantly. The level design is clearly designed for one person. For instance, all puzzles are one item...and this is important for more reasons than you might realize. The SP makes all links homogonized aside from their color so swapping links isn't very common while formations and just having the green link do stuff while the other links follow is very common. I'd even say this hurts the game on MP because there's no real need for proper cooperation 90% of the time Although if you mean it's level designed, that's not really dependent on SP vs MP just a common pattern so far.
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Vaati is easily one of my favorite Villains in the whole franchise. I love the concept of someone becoming so fascinated with something they shouldn't have that they eventually just get consumed by it.
Would love to see vaati in a botw style zelda game. Stumbling on the four sword in a acient temble and unknowingly releasing long forgoten evil. I think would be an amazing way to start a sub slot or dlc with vaati as the main villan.
I'd really like to see a new villain. But not just evil mcevil, I want to see a morally gray villain who's out to save the world but sees the cycle of the princess and the sword wielding hero as part of the problem, not the solution itself. So he decides he's going to put down Ganon, Link and Zelda, kill off the royal family, usurp power and do things his way to try and save Hyrule.
What about Princess Hilda? She destroyed Lowrule’s Triforce to stop everyone from fighting over it, but it brought even more ruin to her kingdom; she even tried to take the Seven Sages and Ganon to Lowrule in order to bring Hyrule’s Triforce to bring back her World’s Triforce… even though Yuga had other plans. I know Yuga was the villain of ALBW, and that Hilda wasn’t forgotten, but her role as a gray-area villain was forgotten.
Vaati has a great theme, a lot of charisma and one of the best zelda villain backstory, his character sadly suffers from a rather superficial villain motive, it is mostly just being power hungry kupo
Well yes; Zelda is not going to indulge with complicated tales of ''betrayed brotherhoods' and dark twists 'in the force' etc lol. Those tales are what Xenoblade etc are for. Zelda has always been straightforward with the satisfying Action-oriented gameplay - and that's what Us fans love and hope never changes. Sure, a little thicker plot is better but spare me tales or yore and yonder!
@@netweed09 why can’t they do it? It’s not like Zelda has shy away from darker themes and it’s lore is very important to the series. I don’t see why Zelda shouldn’t do more with it’s plot when it has a lot of interest lore and characters.
I’ve always found Vaati as character fascinating and I’d love to see make a return at some point in his Hylian form though not as a villain but an alley. An interesting concept could be having him return in one of the two other timelines as an amnesiac with no recollection of his life as a Minish nor that as the Wind Mage. Would make for some interesting character develop while also giving a new take on the character.
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Would love to see Vaati come back. Majora is another one that would be neat to see return (especially since he's in the same boat as Vaati, being destroyed in only one out of 4 timelines.)
I love Vaati’s mage form the most, he is such a great villain with a great design. I would love to see him make a return in a future title or at least a Hyrule Warriors game in his non-monster form. Make his ultimate power to transform temporarily into the winged eyeball form and wreck the battle field
@schakalakadingdong yeah, some legal rights fighting with Nintendo and Capcom I think, I dunno if it's been settled yet but it's one of the reasons he hasn't appeared in any new games or DLC
@@florafangs7664 I would like to see any source from that. As far as i know is just that capcom didnt make anymore zelda games and thats it. I cant recall capcom having legal issues with nintendo about that.
Minish Cap was one of my first Zelda games so I've always had a soft spot for Vaati. In a series that is a bit bloated from one recurring villain game in and game out, I would love to see Vaati make his return in a future entry. Perferably in a 3D entry since we've never seen him with an extra dimension lol
While I haven't played Minish Cap, I would love to see a modern take on Vaati as he's the only Zelda villain i can think of that not only has no connection to Ganon, but also isn't simply a monster running on instinct like the villains from Spirit Tracks and Phantom Hourglass. He's his own man and that's interesting, I'd love to see him come back and have an interaction with Ganon. Imagine two powerful villains from the series coming into conflict, typically its only one villain (Ganon/Demise) and a lackey, imagine two villains vying for control of Hyrule/Triforce/Lightforce and fighting each other as well as you. Different factions of monsters which in an open world Zelda, could fight each other if they meet in the overworld (offering new strategies in the game) and you could even potentially redeem Vaati since he's very likely not going to defeat Ganon who's the ultimate evil of Hyrule so maybe he could have a temporary alliance with Link and/or Zelda and ultimately give his life to weaken Ganon, maybe as an unintended payback to Ganon using him as a pawn in another timeline. Just the fact that he's an entirely unique villain from Ganon, as most others are lackeys of Ganon, gives him so much potential for a unique story and I'd love to see that. Also, after mentioning the cap that grants wishes and it being corrupted by a wish, turning the wearer into a powerful, deranged magic user, it makes me think of the Ice King from Adventure Time. His crown corrupted him, making him insane and it was originally a powerful magical object meant to grant wishes but an ill thought wish corrupts it and only at the end of its series does it revert back to its original state, restoring the land ravaged by evil. Find that an interesting comparison, especially with both Vaati and Simon forgetting their former lives and being obsessed with capturing beautiful princesses.
Thank you for making a video that highlights Vaati! it is so awesome to see and love that you cover a wide variety of Zelda lore (and not just Breath of the Wild)
Aw man. After being a huge fan of Minish Cap, and Vaati himself, I finally ordered Minish Cap for myself! It's a shame that Nintendo can't really do anything with Vaati anymore. Though, I don't think they would if they could. Really cool video!
When we first saw Astor in the Age of Calamity trailer, I thought that was Vaati. Turned out to be a whole different character. It would be awesome to see Vaati return (maybe in Breath of The Wild 2) and see Demise return.
It's really nice to see that despite his rough past, Vaati was able to change his ways and become a highly respected Elden Ring lore UA-camr, if not the best Elden Ring loreist of all time. People really can change.
In the adult timeline, I think it is unlikely that the people of hyrule brought the four sword to the mountain tops before the great flood. So it was likely destroyed at the end of the wind waker. So I don't think we will ever see vaati in the adult timeline. However, I hope we do get to see a continuation of vaati's story in the downfall timeline.
I can imagine the random fishing guys in wind water pulling it up stuck to its stone and using it as a novelty anchor for a while. Maybe a young lad will unwittingly pull it loose trying to bring the anchor aboard the ship.
Well, the Master Sword was presumably destroyed with Ganondorf at the end of The Wind Waker but does make an - important - appearance in Breath of The Wild, so why wouldn't the Four Sword still exist somewhere in Hyrule 🤔
I don’t think it was destroyed, it’s likely still sealed away in the sanctuary keeping vaati back permanently. Just like how the master sword is stuck underwater in Ganons head
@@sekketsu not only the 4 sword there are 2 more swords one in the bottom of the sea with 0 mentioning in it and the other on a ship when you defeat the evil ship lol And one more in the st i think and in mm i dont remember link has the sw there
I would love to see a game where Ganondorf and Vaati join forces, annoyed of being constantly defeated, and team up on Link. And in the end fail because they doublecross each other.
Vaati has been my favorite villain in The Legend of Zelda since I first played Four Swords Anniversary Edition. It's the only game featuring Vaati that I have ever played, but I really enjoyed him as a villain.
I was obsessed with Vaati all throughout school, still like him he was great villain imo. (The hat was called the Wishing Cap btw.) Also, the proper name for the Picori by the race themselves is Minish, it’s explained by Ezlo shortly after you meet him in-game. I played Minish Cap, Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures and read their manuals. Vaati appeared four times. (We just only get to experience three of those appearances in the games he’s in.) In the beginning of FS on GBA Zelda talks about him appearing before, but in the manual for FS it explains that he suddenly appeared and kidnapped any beautiful girls that caught his fancy but was then defeated and sealed within the sword the boy who fought him wielded. (He came back from the dead with no memory of his past life, somehow. I imagine someone resurrected him.) That didn’t happen in MC, it happened a long time after MC’s events, as he was thought to be dead after his defeat in MC. After FS he is sealed again, then centuries later FSA happens and gets banished to the Dark World. I beat him plenty of times in FSA, he doesn’t explode, his body disappears the same way enemies or yourself do when you get transported to the dark world. Ganondorf then mocks Vaati, saying “That’s all there was to the wind mage?” before the player has to flee the collapsing Tower of Winds. So he might not be dead in the child timeline and could return and is only sealed in the other timelines. Although…I doubt he could return in the Adult Timeline for what should be obvious reasons. Hyrule being permanently washed away under the ocean by the wish upon the Triforce, you know, where the Four Sword he was sealed into, in the Four Sword Sanctuary, is located. (Along with the Master Sword stuck in Ganondorf’s head also at the bottom of the ocean.) Also the fact that he couldn’t actually free himself that last time he was seen in FSA, it was Link who broke the seal after being tricked by Ganon’s Shadow Link. He lost more of himself and his strength. (Vaati is described in-game in Minish Cap as a Man, not a Boy. Many times and by the King himself when you rescue him. Vaati is an adult, don’t let his size and the art style fool you.) Yes, Vaati is completely independent of Ganondorf/Demise. The two are not connected.
I honestly think Minish Cap is my favorite LoZ game, it holds the most nostalgia for me and I'll never forget the first time I finally beat Vaati as a kid
Ganondorf from Wind Waker was the best iteration of him, change my mind. From his speech about desiring Hyrule making you relate to him, to that fantastic final battle of warrior against warrior, he was the best version Nintendo has given us. It also makes me hope that BOTW 2's Ganondorf will be spectacular, all the while he plays the part of a Redead Lich.
It's kinda weird how two of the latest Zelda villains (Octavo and Astor) have looked and acted so similar to Vaati that you could just change their name to Vaati and hardly anyone would notice the difference.
Maybe Vaati was unrelated to Demise at first, but his original resurrection was "sponsored" by Demise. Or, maybe, Malice isn't solely a consequence of Ganon/Demise. Just intense feelings of hatred, and is powerful enough to resurrect someone angry/evil enough to produce it.
I mean it is possible arccording to Zelda Lore. In the Child Timeline he was killed in Four Swords Adventures and in the Adult Timeline the World is flooded and so it's not really possible that he will return...BUT...in tue Downfall Timeline he is still sealed in the Four Sword and can somehow be returning and became free from his prison. Also it will be perfect for this timeline because of the Grafics. They can use the Links Awakening Remake Grafic.
I want to see a return of vatti but a more interesting one than was in the for swords games, I want him to gain back his memories and become a villain of the same intelligence as in minish cap
I always liked Vaati's character design more than Ganondorf's. He looks cool. Would love to see him back in a new style. But most importantly, I want Ghirahim back ahh, my favorite Zelda villain. >u
I would absolutely love to see Vaati return in a future Zelda game, for sure! He was such a unique and different villain from Ganon, and the entire concept of the Minish is such a fantastic one. They are my favourite race in the entire Zelda series, and I do wish that Nintendo would bring them back, even if it's just NPCs that run around in the game that you can see, but not really interact with. Just having the details of them being there and having their little paths and homes in and around Hyrulian homes in towns and villages would be wonderful, though I'd rather be able to interact with them, shrink down again and talk to them, solve puzzles, and basically have elements of "The Minish Cap" be like side quests in a future Zelda game. Maybe even have a Minish type quest as part of the main story, like a town and a dungeon, ending with Vaati being the final boss. That would be a fantastic way to continue the Minish stories. There's really a lot that Nintendo can do with the Minish and also another incarnation of Vaati, if they would just feel inclined to do so.
I loved this video I'd been wanting to know more about Vati so thanks for making it. I would love to see more Vati and more Ganondorf ouo I think there's still a lot of potential with Ganondorf. Have you seen/read Growing up Gerudo? It's a fan comic that humanizes Ganondorf and gives us a lot really juicy angst and drama from seeing Ganondorf resist and be an unwilling pawn of the curse with the added bonus of Link being his adopted son :>
I can't shake the feeling that Vaati's might be partially inspired by Sauron from Lord of the Rings. Like Sauron, he becomes an immortal being and takes the form of a giant eye and attempts to conquer and control using subtle manipulation as much as force.
I actually believe that Vaati was the first time we see Demise curse. Why? Because Demise said he was going to curse any decendant of the Hero and the Goddess. This Link and Zelda of course are decendants of them... so why wouldn't Vaati be part of this curse chasing on this decendants. I would like to see Vaati again. He deserves a better ending rather than the one we saw in Four Swords Adventures. And about the Four Sword and it sealing Ganon... I wonder if we are going to see what happened after that. Look that the Four Sword is powerful enough to seal the very Demon King... it would be nice to see how he broke free and weild the Four Sword again.
interesting thought but i dont think demises powers would effect the minish realm... and wherever they came from. they didnt exist in hyrule. if i remember the lore correctly. oh yes the mighty four sword is a very powerful sword... on par with the master sword more or less. it has epic powers. seal away evil and break spells. time travel. of course split link into diff forms. and each form has its four sword and same power. thats epic. something the master sword lacks. i personally find it more badass then the master sword!! its basically a minish version of master sword. also before it got upgraded into 4 sword the it looks kinda like the master sword!! sad the 4 sword it has to be kept enshrined though and never used again. since ganon and vaati are sealed in. its amazing the minish are so powerful race to make such a weapon. then also the light force... which is like a triforce piece??. idk what it is but its powerful too. i wish nintendo would show more interest and love to the minish and vaati.
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Vaati needs to come back some day! Such a cool not Ganon villain.
YES!!!!!!!
I agree
Vaati is kinda boring unless he gets a backstory that makes him more, well, human in a sense.
I mean it is possible arccording to Zelda Lore that he can return. In the Child Timeline he was killed in Four Swords Adventures and in the Adult Timeline the World is flooded and so it's not really possible that he will return...BUT...in tue Downfall Timeline he is still sealed in the Four Sword and can somehow be returning and became free from his prison. Also it will be perfect for this timeline because of the Grafics. They can use the Links Awakening Remake Grafic.
It be great if he showed up late game with no hint in marketing or anything.
I'd love to see Vaati come back, especially since we've never seen him in 3D. We have very few non-Ganon villains, and I feel like they deserve to be utilized more often.
your name says it all... give us our Majora back! Vaatis had his time
@@littlemac9451 So has Majora lol
@@milliondollarmistake nah, Vati had like 3 games, Majoras been riding the bench for too long lol
He also needs to finish "Bloodborne Prepare to Cry Lady Maria"
minish cap remake in the same style as the links awakening remake?!?
that'd be cool
How neat is it that despite all the evil Vaati’s done, he still finds time to bring us Dark Souls lore videos? He really is one of the most interesting villains in the series to me.
i dont get it
Vaatividya is a.from software lore channel... over a million subscribers so he is pretty popular
@@oye6124 vaati vidya is the zeltik of the dark souls games. (Or maybe that better vice versa, either way, he’s the dark souls lore guy)
He pulls it off because the flow of time is convoluted, as Solaire says ☀️
@@BodieBthank you for mentioning that now I have a cool channel to follow about the FS games, appreciate that 🤘
So much apparently occurs between Skyward Sword and Minish Cap, you've got the founding of Hyrule, the start of the Royal Family, the Interloper War from Twilight Princess, the sealing of the Triforce in the Sacred Realm, the apparent extinction of the Mogma, the Picori giving the Light Force to Hyrule, the Hero of Men legend, and Vaati studying under Ezlo
If Nintendo ever wanted to do a massively story driven game, the most eventful period of Hyrule happens off screen, lol
That could probably be the next hyrule warriors game
@@asrieldreemurr1988 I dont want warriors I want a new zelda game
@@alventuradelacruz522 unfortunately you don't always get what you want especially when we're talking about Nintendo
@@asrieldreemurr1988 I would doubt that. Those games are non canon and this comment focuses on canon lore
But why lol, We got the actual Zelda games I much prefer it action-orientated as it is.
Wind Waker and some others even give you in-game tapestries and crude wall art to envision off. Even Breath 2s trailer has these. I love it this way rather than be just sold another old comic strip or a book.
Ahhh, Vatti the Wind Mage. A great villain.
Minish Cap is such a underrated game.
Totally. Personally it's my all time favorite zelda game and its sad that not many people have played it.
Agreed!
Agreed
I Own the Cart as one of my most Treasured pieces. If I was given any solid gold Trophy from a sporting event; I'd (politely) toss it back. It's more than a relic to me.
This cart not only holds Timeless and priceless memories of joy; but it's testament to itself as 1 of the best pieces of fiction ever made. I value this far far more than games like Breath1, which is barely a Zelda game to me.
Minish Cap is an exactly perfectly rated game. Its fans just over rate it. It's fun, but its not even close to leaving the bottom of the list of Zelda games. Its the Ocarina problem where 99% of its fans played it when they were ten so they can't view it less personally.
A lore video on Vaatividya. Finally!
Translate it.
@@Link-to-the-Smash lmfao
ikr!
@@Link-to-the-Smash It's another UA-cam Channel dude.
@@Link-to-the-Smash its rather good actually
What if the Vaati that comes after his death is a botched rebirth of sorts. It's shown that if Ganon is resurrected wrong he'll mentally break, so what if Vaati had a failsafe just in case? A slapdash resurrection spell that didn't quite work right. It would explain his inability to remember his original plan but still remember one thing that was necessary to it, a beautiful girl. He doesn't remember why he needs one, but he does remember that he does. I get the feeling that if Four Swords Zelda looked like Minish Cap Zelda he would have jogged his memory a bit better, but that's just my take on it.
more or less, thanks to the Light Force transforming him, slowly becomes a creature of chaos with no memory of his past.
He forgor 💀
@@thebaseandtriflingcreature174 Mangs, is that you?
There is a popular theory based on this. Essentially, because vaati is slain in the minish cap, he cannot come back. So there are no more four swords games after minish cap on the timeline in this case. But, where does four swords go? Vaati is alive in that game, so somehow vaati succeeded instead of being defeated by link. This means that the minish cap is where the "downfall" timeline branches off, headed by the two four swords games.
@@isaacbunsen5833 Sorry this is long.
The only problem I have with that is that it ignores that death is never really final in the games. How many times has Ganon/Ganondorf truly died? Twice, and it took the Hero of Twilight, the physically strongest hero, and the Hero of Winds, the one who plunged the Master Sword into his skull when in Gerudo form, to do it, even then Ganondorf went through a lot of hell to get him to those states. I don't think the forces of evil have the ability to just shove off this mortal coil, it takes a hell of a lot to finally off them. Wind Waker Ganondorf was still talking while he was a makeshift unicorn! I'm ignoring Malladus, Bellum and Majora because they haven't been shown to resurrect, but Vaati, Ganondorf/Ganon, and Demise have all shown a sort of resistance to permanent death.
Ganondorf: Look at all the "killing blows" he's suffered, dead, but with the right magic he can be brought back. The only time this didn't happen was Wind Waker and Twilight Princess and I'm certain Wind Waker Ganondorf is only that way because his minions can't swim.
Demise: in his avocado form took a wish from the full Triforce, and his true form, a hero going to the past to fight him when he's just been returned to his true form, and even then he needed to sit in timeout in the Master Sword for who knows how long.
Vaati: He is defeated in 3 forms before he is supposedly killed, but then he shows up again. It takes being killed by the last known wielder of the four sword to finally end him.
All this to say that them early big bads were a different breed. Malladus and Bellum and even Majora died pretty easily compared to the other 3.
In the manga, the "wickedness in hearts of mean" is further elaborated. It shows Vaati watching humans that are stronger, like bullies, getting what they want. This is when he realizes the importance of power.
kinda like nameless namekian when on earth...
By far my favorite Legend Of Zelda villian, the picori turned wind mage has one of the most interesting backstories in my opinion. It surprises me to think that vaati is the second most reoccurring Zelda villian after Ganon/Ganondorf, yet is kind of obscure to some in the community.
It comes down to the fact that the three titles he appeared in did not sell very well, which is sad because he's such an amazing villain.
What was the music you used at 10:06 I was really wondering
@@asc3nded397 The big problem with that is that only one of those three games can be played single, the others required you to have 3 other friends with GBA and the game... And even worse, the last game required you to have a game cube and 3 GBA's.
@@Genojo ummm...no you can play FSA with one person...some people even prefer it that way
Vaati’s story reminds me of Zamasu in DragonBall Super. An apprentice driven by man’s hate, turning on his mentor, obtaining a higher power to wreck havoc on the world
I love how Vaati is not only a great magic user, but a phenomenal swordsman, since he was the champion of the festival.
I prefer to imagine he blasted them with magic and people were too scared to disqualify him
@@jackhazardous4008probably used magic to be good at the sword no way would you display the real sword to a cheater
In the manga he just uses magic and blast everyone lol
In the original Japanese version, it was actually a martial arts tournament, not specifically a sword-fighting tournament.
Back when I was a kid I wasn't as into Zelda as I am today, but for some reason Vaati was the only villain who stuck out in my mind other than Ganon. He's really interesting to me and he definitely deserves more attention!
Well, he is one of the only other villains who aren’t ganon.
@@ironwraith852 he is the only one besides Ganon who has been in more than one game.
@@n1nj4l1nk yeah.
@@ironwraith852 True but I remember Vaati more than villains like Majora or Demise.
He is quite underrated. Even by Nintendo itself. I wish he would return but Nintendo does seem to care very little about him. But it would be so hype if he unexpectedly returned. He is also a primordial evil.
The big issue is that Vaati isn't a Nintendo Zelda villain, he's a Capcom Zelda villain. Capcom developed Four Swords and Minish Cap, and since they don't develop Zelda games any more, I don't see him ever returning. The only time Nintendo developed a game involving Vaati without Capcom's involvement was Four Swords Adventure, which saw Vaati destroyed and replaced by Ganon as the primary antagonist by the end.
@@infinitesheldon5710
It still shows that Vaati is owned by Nintendo and that he can appear without Capcom. A more plausible explanation is that Nintendo just wants Vaati to be the Four Swords villain. If they made such a game again, Vaati might returns.
@@Ninjaananas It would be interesting to see Vaati appear in a new Four Swords game. An optional multiplayer where you gain the strength to beat Vaati. A nonlinear type of game where Link gains the power to split himself into four with a kind of sword. The Four Sword could have a new design to look oddly or eerily similar to the Master Sword.
@@infinitesheldon5710 While that is true the director of Botw and Botw2 is the same one who wrote and directed Minish Cap. I'd say that Botw2 is the best chance to see him again.
@@ozero00rockon I mean, I think that was originally the plan for Triforce Heroes ?
But then they realised having 5 layers of height to plan the levels with constantly was too much, and the 3DS couln't handle it, so they went with 3 Links,
Definitely would love to see Vaati's return in a Zelda game. Personally, Ganon's turn to Calamity Ganon opens such a huge door. Sure, Nintendo can return Vaati with his usual plan to kidnap maidens and Zelda, but it can be so much more. Who says he hasn't twisted further during his incarceration during the downfall and adult timeline? What if once freed, he learns about the Divine Beasts and the Guardians? Though not as powerful as Ganon, the type of things Vaati could do with that technology given his dark magic is endless. I think it's an idea Nintendo should dabble on if they're not going to return the Minish, which they should. I don't know, these are just some thoughts.🤗
You are a saint for writing this
The moment I saw the stone Taluses in 2 it became my deepest hope
Funny thing is, I heard they'd actually wanted to have the Minish appear in Breath of the Wild but had to cut them for some reason. Maybe we'll see their return in BotW2?
What if Calamity Ganon is Ganon and Vaati combined?
@@jacksonjack7838 Or Vaati's reincarnation is Astor.
To this day, I still absolutely adore Vaati. He was such a cool villain. I do hope we get to see that return eventually.
I feel awful for him. He’s a sick lonely pixie child who lost his soul to the evils of man…
We love a Minish Cap based video in this household! 🙏😍
Wow, two of the BEST theorists in one place!! You rock, Hyrule Gamer!!!
Minish cap is an awesome Zelda game
Minish Cap is based
We too. I played this game when I was a kid and now my daughter is in the right age for this game.
Vaati is my overall favorite irrespective of the actual games they're in.
But of course, my actual favorite has to be *Ghirahim.* We finally got a brand-new fully choreographed, 3D movie-like mainline Zelda villian dripping with attitude. I love everything about him; he wasn't OTT, pretentious; he was awkward, weird, cold yet so up and personal - like any great Villain. And totally unique.
3D Vaati would be an interesting sight, especially his monstrous form. Monstrous corruptions seem to evolve and get worse as time goes on, so it'd be interesting to see how scary they can make Vaati.
Exploring the reasons he suddenly wanted to marry Zelda would also be interesting.
The Minish are under used and should return for more surprising lore drops
Vaati is incredibly underrated as a villain. While definitely not as powerful or prominent as Ganon, he's just as interesting, maybe even more so.
Maybe but he’s still a bad guy not to be taken lightly
He has cooler design
@@BitchChill I personally don't agree I love how regal Ganondorf looks
Plain ol' Ganon I agree with you though
@@Vitamin_R I think Vatii Reborn looks cooler than any Ganon form, but the eye forms are mid
@@HiAgainTheNameIsStillAyleyeah. that one has a really cool design when you see it like not in pixels. i also love vaatis regular sorcerer design and the colors work well.
Since the Four Sword is found in the Dark World in the GBA version of Link to the Past, this may mean that in the Downfall Timeline Vaati was one of the many people who travelled to the Dark World in search of the Golden Power, bringing the sword with him.
I don't think that's what it means, given that the Four Sword in ALttP seems to already be split, and creates Dark Links rather than releasing Vaati. I think what we're seeing there is more of a reflection of the true Four Sword, its shadow, with the real Four Sword still resting in the Four Sword Sanctuary. Until we get a DT Four Swords game, I guess we won't know
@@DarkLink1996. There are also Dark Links in Four Sword Adventures. Are they tied to the sword or are they merely summoned by Vaati/Ganon?
@@ultraspinalki11 They're linked to the Dark Mirror. Its only purpose is to create evil versions of people.
"Vaati's story begins after he decided to use his amazing voice to explain FromSoft's SoulsBorne series' lore and explain how those worlds suck for basically everyone in them..."
When he wasn’t put into Hyrule Warriors, I was so heartbroken.
Same...
even as a boss is ok...
Vaati, Veran, Onox, and Agahnim would have all been interesting to play as. Vaati and Onox could have even had Giant Boss fights like Ganon had, alongside Dethl from Link's Awakening and Majora's Wrath.
Vaati as a villain seems such a wasted potential.
Imagine Vaati, Malladus, and other big villains reappearing or getting a notable mention in BotW2.
Honestly, I would like to see Vaati come back and actually challenge Ganon. I think it would be interesting to see them have a power struggle with Link, Zelda, and the rest of Hyrule caught up in the middle.
great idea!!!
Honestly, Four Swords Adventures did Vaati unbelievably dirty. This was a great opportunity to have two different villains duking it out for the right to rule Hyrule, or at the very least expand on Vaati as a character, but instead he was given no dialogue and the whole game treats him like old news in favour of the villain we've already faced like a dozen times already at this point.
The Minish Cap is my favorite Zelda game and Vaati is a big reason as to why. He's an amazing antagonist and I would absolutely be thrilled to see him return in any form.
Ganondorf might known as the King of Evil, but he isn’t the only evil.
@@bullymaguire9987 But who would that be? I mean, Link's green attire was inspired by Peter Pan, so a queen of evil could be inspired by Malificent, instead of a sword a staff, with earing son the nose resembling a boar.
A King has to rule over a Kingdom
Shoulda saved this for an April Fools that turns out to be a VaatiVidya documentary.
Would like to see him more before he transforms into his boss mode, where he was apparently a super good swordsman as well as mage. Would make for a sweet fight in today's technology.
I'd honestly really like to see more original villains, whether it be Vaati in one of the other two timelines, or someone new.
Y'know, seeing this, the automaton with the lotuses in the botw 2 trailer kind of looks similar to the carving of Vaati in the four sword sanctuary. That coupled with the significance of the sky makes me wonder if Vaati might have some kind of role in the game as a minion of Ganon, like in four swords adventures.
plus, the minish were apparently supposed to appear in botw but were scrapped in the end. I want more of the minish and vaati
@@delphinebriand1554 True, and the minish were from the sky
@@delphinebriand1554 proof?
@@silverreaps6803 interviews and a few references in art books.
@@silverreaps6803 look up to unused contents, you can find it easily on internet, mate
I think Demise's curse grabs onto young men, with darkness in their hearts, and gradually feeds them malace until they become a monstrous beast. This explains why this seems to happen an awful lot throughout the timeline.
That makes the most sense to me too and I really like the notion that Demise’s curse is not just locked onto Ganon/Ganondorf like we thought, but instead spreads it’s evil tendrils in numerous ways at once. And if u think about it, there doesn’t seem to be any normal evil in the Zelda universe like there is in real life. Instead, every occurrence of evil has some supernatural origin to it, possibly all leading back to Demise! Or maybe there could be other primordial demons like him causing trouble throughout time and space.
@@MerkhVision we see Malladus and Bellum, so it seems even if they were under Ganon's thumb before, their are independent demons and monsters happy to fill the void in between the rise of the demon king.
That would also make me more interested to see what the heck happened with the Interlopers. A mysterious group of beings after the Triforce who somehow got ahold of a magical artifact so powerful the goddesses had to intervene? We need more to that tale!
@@skrubknight884 I thought the Interlopers became the Twili. Like, they tried to steal the Tri-Force, using dark magic that was sealed in the Fuse Shadow so they were banished to the Twilight Realm where they evolved into Twili.
I want more fanservice in Zelda games (the cool kind of fanservice). Quick cameos and callbacks are nice, but I want more of a crossover epic story someday.
I mean, I want a game where Vaati, Bellum, Malladus, Yuga and Majora come back. Or maybe just some of them. Ganon can be the big bad, but I want more of the feelings I felt with Spider-Man No Way Home (and a lot of what comics achieve somewhat frequently). Being always 100% new stuff (besides Ganon and Zelda) for more than 18 games leaves what means most to us underused.
So you want a Hyrule Warriors 2?
@@Retro_Red Yes, but with standard Zelda gameplay and less of the other kind of fanservice.
Finally someone mentions my man Yuga
@cedrick Yes, you're right, Sonic. That's why I want it to be an event and to be left alone for a time after it's done. And it should be done as a love letter to fans. But of course, this is an utopia lol
Malladus with all of my war trains, plus BotW graphics, please and thank you.
So underrated I hope he returns or is mentioned again in future games
Who knows maybe he is part of the calamity.
It might not mean much since it isn't canon, but Octavo from Cadence of Hyrule is a descendant of Vaati according to the developers
sadly i dont think nintendo would ever dethroned their ganon/ganondorf any day soon...
in the big console main zelda games anyway.
i wish the minish didnt cut from botw. at least there was some consideration there tho.
@@PhantomCorona Yes! I was pleasantly surprised with Octavo when I played it.
This was such a good video! I love this sort of story-style content where you have a continuous timeline of one character
Even though, like you said, it's unlikely Vaati spawned from Demise's curse: it would open the door for villain's other than Ganondorf to rise to power but play the same familiar notes.
Maybe during BotW2, Link kills zombie/lich Ganondorf, thus breaking the curse on the Gerudo man... but Demise's curse would still exist. It finds a new host with darkness in their heart and takes them as it's new form, creating a new age Ganondorf. This new villain could be Rito or Zora, Goron or, you guessed it, Minish. Whatever they start out as, they can make their final desperate form be that of a raging boar to seal the connection between the new villain and The Calamity.
BotW I always felt was a clean soft reboot of sorts for the Zelda Franchise. They have the chance to cherry-pick everything they've ever made and make it fit into long-running narrative instead of continuing to work backwards and try to fit everything together after the fact into a timeline. Demise's curse affecting not just the one Gerudo Male would open up opportunities to put the side-races into the spotlight or even invent new races that just left Hyrule completely after the Calamity and returned after it's defeat.... say... perhaps... the Minish.
This literally happened in Four sword adventures but he ended up being a gerudo again and looked the same.
@@swordofstabbingoldthat game should really be in the downfall timeline
I'm gonna smooch you for making a Vaati video thank you
Few people know after Vaati was banished from hyrule he discovered a new realm he couldn’t directly interact with. He became so enamored with this universe of light and dark in perpetual conflict he set his mind and heart toward documenting the mythology and history of the unique worlds he beheld. Years of study set his mind and heart at ease and he set about to share his work through a medium that transcended time and space. Whilst he never returned to a Hyrule and his desire for its conquest faded away, he found peace in the dark and sad world he stumbled upon and made it his life’s work to share said knowledge far beyond the barriers that bound him.
And in roughly three weeks he'll leave that land for another, filled with twisted demigods and more varied, interesting magic than self-buffs and pew pew lasers.
Always a treat to see a video about Minish Cap. Especially one by the awesome Zeltik
It would be really cool to see Vaati return in Tears of the Kingdom as a boss. Seeing a 3D Vaati boss fight would be a truly special event.
It's about time Vaati gets recognition, especially after Age of Calamity's Astor took clear inspiration from parts of his design. I'd love to see him as a boss in BotW 2 or even his own game, but since it's been so long I'm just hoping he at least becomes relevant through a Minish Cap remake.
Vaati is one of the best villains to talk about. He’s cool and has a lot of mysteries.
Minish Vaati is still my favorite Zelda villain for his "way to villainy" (then Demise and afterwards on place 3 OoT Ganondorf). I would still love Nintendo exploring the idea of two villains warring over dominion in Hyrule with Ganondorf and Vaati as the actors. By now Hyrule is big enough to get a nice experience out of this idea imho.
I want to see vaatii debut in a 3d game. I'm not sure how the four swords will work. Maybe its lost and a new seal is needed. Imagine time puzzles like clank solved in a crack in time.
The four sword could work in a 3D game; it just would require Nintendo realizing something I don't think they've ever considered: a Four Swords game doesn't have to be a multiplayer game. Being able to control four Links at once could potentially make for a fantastic single-player Zelda game.
I mean Vaati can appear in a game without the foursword or multiplayer. I'm holding onto hope that he's in Botw2 with the small teases like the eye on Links shield and the stone golem. With the director of the game being the same as Minish Cap this would be the best chance for a return and write the final story for all Villains in Zelda for Botw2 so only new ones will appear in the future.
@@matthewmuir8884 I love how you say that as if FSA also could be played single player
@@megarotom1590 Four Swords Adventures could indeed be played single-player; that's how I ended up playing it because I didn't have any of those cables that connect the GBA to the GameCube. But it was built around being multiplayer; hence it being level-based rather than having a proper explorable Zelda world.
@@matthewmuir8884 I'd actually argue the opposite, compare it to triforce heroes for instance and you notice something instantly. The level design is clearly designed for one person. For instance, all puzzles are one item...and this is important for more reasons than you might realize. The SP makes all links homogonized aside from their color so swapping links isn't very common while formations and just having the green link do stuff while the other links follow is very common. I'd even say this hurts the game on MP because there's no real need for proper cooperation 90% of the time
Although if you mean it's level designed, that's not really dependent on SP vs MP just a common pattern so far.
I've been binging Zelda lore for the past month to help with depression I'm going through and I always love your videos man. I haven't ever said anything, but I've been watching you for years now.
Vaati is easily one of my favorite Villains in the whole franchise.
I love the concept of someone becoming so fascinated with something they shouldn't have that they eventually just get consumed by it.
What I would give to see a team up between Ganon, Vaati, and Majora!
Like Zelda The Light of Courage but unironically good
I don't think that would work: they're all egomaniacs, and where Ganon seeks to rule, Majora's Mask seeks to destroy.
Would love to see vaati in a botw style zelda game. Stumbling on the four sword in a acient temble and unknowingly releasing long forgoten evil. I think would be an amazing way to start a sub slot or dlc with vaati as the main villan.
I can't wait to see more of the sky in the sequel for breath of the wild
I'd really like to see a new villain. But not just evil mcevil, I want to see a morally gray villain who's out to save the world but sees the cycle of the princess and the sword wielding hero as part of the problem, not the solution itself. So he decides he's going to put down Ganon, Link and Zelda, kill off the royal family, usurp power and do things his way to try and save Hyrule.
What about Princess Hilda? She destroyed Lowrule’s Triforce to stop everyone from fighting over it, but it brought even more ruin to her kingdom; she even tried to take the Seven Sages and Ganon to Lowrule in order to bring Hyrule’s Triforce to bring back her World’s Triforce… even though Yuga had other plans. I know Yuga was the villain of ALBW, and that Hilda wasn’t forgotten, but her role as a gray-area villain was forgotten.
@@keeganguyer5237 ... Great? Your whataboutism doesn't negate the proposed idea.
Lore of lowrule moment
Now you made me want to see a morally grey hero
Vaati has a great theme, a lot of charisma and one of the best zelda villain backstory, his character sadly suffers from a rather superficial villain motive, it is mostly just being power hungry kupo
Well yes; Zelda is not going to indulge with complicated tales of ''betrayed brotherhoods' and dark twists 'in the force' etc lol.
Those tales are what Xenoblade etc are for. Zelda has always been straightforward with the satisfying Action-oriented gameplay - and that's what Us fans love and hope never changes. Sure, a little thicker plot is better but spare me tales or yore and yonder!
@@netweed09 why can’t they do it? It’s not like Zelda has shy away from darker themes and it’s lore is very important to the series. I don’t see why Zelda shouldn’t do more with it’s plot when it has a lot of interest lore and characters.
I’ve always found Vaati as character fascinating and I’d love to see make a return at some point in his Hylian form though not as a villain but an alley.
An interesting concept could be having him return in one of the two other timelines as an amnesiac with no recollection of his life as a Minish nor that as the Wind Mage.
Would make for some interesting character develop while also giving a new take on the character.
I am obsessed with the craft of writing. Day by day, I write and perceive as much good writing as possible. My conscience for writing I’d say is pretty decent.
I say this to add more power to the following statement:
Zeltik, your videos are so well-written. Fantastic video essays. Keep it up!
Would love to see Vaati come back. Majora is another one that would be neat to see return (especially since he's in the same boat as Vaati, being destroyed in only one out of 4 timelines.)
Vaati is an example of a game's villain being the villain through the whole game instead of "Somehow, Palpatine has returned", and it working well
I love Vaati’s mage form the most, he is such a great villain with a great design. I would love to see him make a return in a future title or at least a Hyrule Warriors game in his non-monster form. Make his ultimate power to transform temporarily into the winged eyeball form and wreck the battle field
Your narratives never fail to impress and entertain.
I miss Vaati so much and I wanna see him in a new game, too bad capcom has him in a chokehold :(
@schakalakadingdong yeah, some legal rights fighting with Nintendo and Capcom I think, I dunno if it's been settled yet but it's one of the reasons he hasn't appeared in any new games or DLC
With a gun to his head?
@@florafangs7664 I would like to see any source from that. As far as i know is just that capcom didnt make anymore zelda games and thats it. I cant recall capcom having legal issues with nintendo about that.
@@florafangs7664 He showed up in Four Swords Adventures, a game that didn't involve Capcom iirc.
Vaati really should return, he would add more variety to the series’s villains, and more publicity for the other villains that already exist.
Vaati being the main villain in a game like botw or totk would be so cool
Minish Cap was one of my first Zelda games so I've always had a soft spot for Vaati. In a series that is a bit bloated from one recurring villain game in and game out, I would love to see Vaati make his return in a future entry. Perferably in a 3D entry since we've never seen him with an extra dimension lol
I mean ganondorf is in three games technically only.
@@anthonybarbee5136Now he's in 4
Y'know, for as Evil as Vaati may be, he sure does make GREAT Soulsborne lore videos
All in favor of Vaati coming back in a future Zelda game?
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While I haven't played Minish Cap, I would love to see a modern take on Vaati as he's the only Zelda villain i can think of that not only has no connection to Ganon, but also isn't simply a monster running on instinct like the villains from Spirit Tracks and Phantom Hourglass. He's his own man and that's interesting, I'd love to see him come back and have an interaction with Ganon. Imagine two powerful villains from the series coming into conflict, typically its only one villain (Ganon/Demise) and a lackey, imagine two villains vying for control of Hyrule/Triforce/Lightforce and fighting each other as well as you. Different factions of monsters which in an open world Zelda, could fight each other if they meet in the overworld (offering new strategies in the game) and you could even potentially redeem Vaati since he's very likely not going to defeat Ganon who's the ultimate evil of Hyrule so maybe he could have a temporary alliance with Link and/or Zelda and ultimately give his life to weaken Ganon, maybe as an unintended payback to Ganon using him as a pawn in another timeline. Just the fact that he's an entirely unique villain from Ganon, as most others are lackeys of Ganon, gives him so much potential for a unique story and I'd love to see that.
Also, after mentioning the cap that grants wishes and it being corrupted by a wish, turning the wearer into a powerful, deranged magic user, it makes me think of the Ice King from Adventure Time. His crown corrupted him, making him insane and it was originally a powerful magical object meant to grant wishes but an ill thought wish corrupts it and only at the end of its series does it revert back to its original state, restoring the land ravaged by evil. Find that an interesting comparison, especially with both Vaati and Simon forgetting their former lives and being obsessed with capturing beautiful princesses.
Thank you for making a video that highlights Vaati! it is so awesome to see and love that you cover a wide variety of Zelda lore (and not just Breath of the Wild)
Aw man. After being a huge fan of Minish Cap, and Vaati himself, I finally ordered Minish Cap for myself! It's a shame that Nintendo can't really do anything with Vaati anymore. Though, I don't think they would if they could. Really cool video!
I think everyone’s first experience with Vaati was during the minish cap despite how four swords and four swords adventures were made first
Always love to see people talk about my fav Zelda game. It deserves more praise than it gets. Thank you.
Minish Cap was the first Zelda game I ever beat, so I have a soft spot for Vaati
Zeltik you are my absolute favorite Zeldatuber! Anytime you have a new video out I can’t wait to watch it.
Watching this REALLY makes we want to play Minish Cap and Four Swords Adventure again, they were great games!
Thanks a lot for this video, I love Vaati, would love to see him again. Vaati and minish cap are super underrated.
When we first saw Astor in the Age of Calamity trailer, I thought that was Vaati. Turned out to be a whole different character. It would be awesome to see Vaati return (maybe in Breath of The Wild 2) and see Demise return.
It's really nice to see that despite his rough past, Vaati was able to change his ways and become a highly respected Elden Ring lore UA-camr, if not the best Elden Ring loreist of all time. People really can change.
In the adult timeline, I think it is unlikely that the people of hyrule brought the four sword to the mountain tops before the great flood. So it was likely destroyed at the end of the wind waker. So I don't think we will ever see vaati in the adult timeline. However, I hope we do get to see a continuation of vaati's story in the downfall timeline.
I can imagine the random fishing guys in wind water pulling it up stuck to its stone and using it as a novelty anchor for a while. Maybe a young lad will unwittingly pull it loose trying to bring the anchor aboard the ship.
Well, the Master Sword was presumably destroyed with Ganondorf at the end of The Wind Waker but does make an - important - appearance in Breath of The Wild, so why wouldn't the Four Sword still exist somewhere in Hyrule 🤔
I don’t think it was destroyed, it’s likely still sealed away in the sanctuary keeping vaati back permanently. Just like how the master sword is stuck underwater in Ganons head
@@sekketsu not only the 4 sword there are 2 more swords one in the bottom of the sea with 0 mentioning in it and the other on a ship when you defeat the evil ship lol
And one more in the st i think and in mm i dont remember link has the sw there
@@sekketsubreath of the wild probably takes place before the minsh cap
I would love to see a game where Ganondorf and Vaati join forces, annoyed of being constantly defeated, and team up on Link. And in the end fail because they doublecross each other.
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Vaati has been my favorite villain in The Legend of Zelda since I first played Four Swords Anniversary Edition. It's the only game featuring Vaati that I have ever played, but I really enjoyed him as a villain.
How can one boss know so much Dark Souls lore?
The Minish Cap manga was the gateway to my love for this series. Absolutely killing it!
I was obsessed with Vaati all throughout school, still like him he was great villain imo.
(The hat was called the Wishing Cap btw.)
Also, the proper name for the Picori by the race themselves is Minish, it’s explained by Ezlo shortly after you meet him in-game.
I played Minish Cap, Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures and read their manuals. Vaati appeared four times. (We just only get to experience three of those appearances in the games he’s in.)
In the beginning of FS on GBA Zelda talks about him appearing before, but in the manual for FS it explains that he suddenly appeared and kidnapped any beautiful girls that caught his fancy but was then defeated and sealed within the sword the boy who fought him wielded.
(He came back from the dead with no memory of his past life, somehow. I imagine someone resurrected him.)
That didn’t happen in MC, it happened a long time after MC’s events, as he was thought to be dead after his defeat in MC.
After FS he is sealed again, then centuries later FSA happens and gets banished to the Dark World.
I beat him plenty of times in FSA, he doesn’t explode, his body disappears the same way enemies or yourself do when you get transported to the dark world. Ganondorf then mocks Vaati, saying “That’s all there was to the wind mage?” before the player has to flee the collapsing Tower of Winds.
So he might not be dead in the child timeline and could return and is only sealed in the other timelines. Although…I doubt he could return in the Adult Timeline for what should be obvious reasons.
Hyrule being permanently washed away under the ocean by the wish upon the Triforce, you know, where the Four Sword he was sealed into, in the Four Sword Sanctuary, is located.
(Along with the Master Sword stuck in Ganondorf’s head also at the bottom of the ocean.)
Also the fact that he couldn’t actually free himself that last time he was seen in FSA, it was Link who broke the seal after being tricked by Ganon’s Shadow Link. He lost more of himself and his strength.
(Vaati is described in-game in Minish Cap as a Man, not a Boy. Many times and by the King himself when you rescue him. Vaati is an adult, don’t let his size and the art style fool you.)
Yes, Vaati is completely independent of Ganondorf/Demise. The two are not connected.
I honestly think Minish Cap is my favorite LoZ game, it holds the most nostalgia for me and I'll never forget the first time I finally beat Vaati as a kid
Ganondorf from Wind Waker was the best iteration of him, change my mind.
From his speech about desiring Hyrule making you relate to him, to that fantastic final battle of warrior against warrior, he was the best version Nintendo has given us. It also makes me hope that BOTW 2's Ganondorf will be spectacular, all the while he plays the part of a Redead Lich.
You just made my day!
Everyone: Vaati is a great villian
Me: Am I the only one who noticed the first thing he said was what impa said to link in botw
Vaati returned as a youtuber discussing dark souls lore.
It's kinda weird how two of the latest Zelda villains (Octavo and Astor) have looked and acted so similar to Vaati that you could just change their name to Vaati and hardly anyone would notice the difference.
Maybe Vaati was unrelated to Demise at first, but his original resurrection was "sponsored" by Demise.
Or, maybe, Malice isn't solely a consequence of Ganon/Demise. Just intense feelings of hatred, and is powerful enough to resurrect someone angry/evil enough to produce it.
I was sad we never got any reference to Vaati in BotW. Based on few details we've seen in 2 gives me hope we'll see him return in some form or shape.
Never change the intro music to your videos, Zeltik, it's the highlight of each video
I hope he comes back in future games
I mean it is possible arccording to Zelda Lore. In the Child Timeline he was killed in Four Swords Adventures and in the Adult Timeline the World is flooded and so it's not really possible that he will return...BUT...in tue Downfall Timeline he is still sealed in the Four Sword and can somehow be returning and became free from his prison. Also it will be perfect for this timeline because of the Grafics. They can use the Links Awakening Remake Grafic.
Vaati seems like a Kirby final boss who took a wrong turn in a corridor and ended up as a Zelda antagonist
I want to see a return of vatti but a more interesting one than was in the for swords games, I want him to gain back his memories and become a villain of the same intelligence as in minish cap
Zeltik videos are always great, and this one is no exception. Keep it up man!
I always liked Vaati's character design more than Ganondorf's. He looks cool. Would love to see him back in a new style.
But most importantly, I want Ghirahim back ahh, my favorite Zelda villain. >u
Finally, a video of my favorite Dark Souls UA-camr.
I would absolutely love to see Vaati return in a future Zelda game, for sure! He was such a unique and different villain from Ganon, and the entire concept of the Minish is such a fantastic one. They are my favourite race in the entire Zelda series, and I do wish that Nintendo would bring them back, even if it's just NPCs that run around in the game that you can see, but not really interact with.
Just having the details of them being there and having their little paths and homes in and around Hyrulian homes in towns and villages would be wonderful, though I'd rather be able to interact with them, shrink down again and talk to them, solve puzzles, and basically have elements of "The Minish Cap" be like side quests in a future Zelda game. Maybe even have a Minish type quest as part of the main story, like a town and a dungeon, ending with Vaati being the final boss. That would be a fantastic way to continue the Minish stories.
There's really a lot that Nintendo can do with the Minish and also another incarnation of Vaati, if they would just feel inclined to do so.
I could listen to you all day talking about Zelda lore
I loved this video I'd been wanting to know more about Vati so thanks for making it. I would love to see more Vati and more Ganondorf ouo I think there's still a lot of potential with Ganondorf. Have you seen/read Growing up Gerudo? It's a fan comic that humanizes Ganondorf and gives us a lot really juicy angst and drama from seeing Ganondorf resist and be an unwilling pawn of the curse with the added bonus of Link being his adopted son :>
Vaati wasn't destroyed, he just got tired of being evil, so he makes youtube videos on Dark Souls lore now.
The minish are from the sky supposedly, so I’m excited for botw 2 possibly revisiting their lore and bringing back vaati
I can't shake the feeling that Vaati's might be partially inspired by Sauron from Lord of the Rings. Like Sauron, he becomes an immortal being and takes the form of a giant eye and attempts to conquer and control using subtle manipulation as much as force.
I actually believe that Vaati was the first time we see Demise curse. Why? Because Demise said he was going to curse any decendant of the Hero and the Goddess. This Link and Zelda of course are decendants of them... so why wouldn't Vaati be part of this curse chasing on this decendants.
I would like to see Vaati again. He deserves a better ending rather than the one we saw in Four Swords Adventures.
And about the Four Sword and it sealing Ganon... I wonder if we are going to see what happened after that. Look that the Four Sword is powerful enough to seal the very Demon King... it would be nice to see how he broke free and weild the Four Sword again.
interesting thought but i dont think demises powers would effect the minish realm...
and wherever they came from. they didnt exist in hyrule. if i remember the lore correctly.
oh yes the mighty four sword is a very powerful sword... on par with the master sword more or less.
it has epic powers. seal away evil and break spells. time travel. of course split link into diff forms.
and each form has its four sword and same power. thats epic. something the master sword lacks.
i personally find it more badass then the master sword!! its basically a minish version
of master sword. also before it got upgraded into 4 sword the it looks kinda like the master sword!!
sad the 4 sword it has to be kept enshrined though and never used again. since ganon and vaati are sealed in.
its amazing the minish are so powerful race to make such a weapon. then also the light force...
which is like a triforce piece??. idk what it is but its powerful too. i wish nintendo would show
more interest and love to the minish and vaati.