New to the channel, loving this because you are demonstrating range anxiety in different vehicles. Although I am in SoCal people often talk about long trips in different weather conditions.
Not really. I do a 500 km drive in my Pilot every winter, no problem. All wheel drive. The Rivian sounds like it wouldn't make 300 km. That means 1 or 2 stops as I don't want to risk losing power in the mountains. For me this is a major downside for the Rivian, as much as I would love to get one for other reasons.
Another great video Tom. I dig the Rivian with the more aggressive tires, such a beautiful truck. Things have certainly come a long way since 1990 when I used to deliver pizza at Nauna's in my 1969 Camaro averaging 10 MPG. As a carpenter, I'm very interested in the Lightning but an EV van would be more practical. It's very exciting to see what's coming on the market in the near future. Keep up the good work Tom..!
Great video and I'm glad it beat the Lightning :) I didn't know you were from Chester until this video. I'm in Randolph and have a white r1T. See you around!!
Tom, another well done video! Always nice to see Mrs. SOC. Just like my better-half, all the EV talk drives her nuts. kW, kWH, wh/mi, all that drive her nuts.
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Thanks, Tom. It's great that you used conserve mode on the Rivian--two motors versus four motors--which is comparable to the two-motor Lightning. From an efficiency point of view, the two vehicles are very similar. But, like you say, the Rivian has the edge in highway driving, when it's in conserve mode.
I took this trip last week in our R1T. South Central PA to Mount Snow. Stopped in Newburgh, NY and outside of Albany for two fast charging stops. Charged to 100 at both stops. Ate lunch at the first and drank coffee and played cards at the second. It was a great way to travel. More leisurely pace and saw places I would otherwise just drive by. Same stops on the way home. No issues either trip. Weather was mild. Have fun!
Questions surrounding conserve mode, winter night driving: Any adjustments to interior comfort? Saw jackets on back seat. Cabin temperature, heated seats, heater/blower fans?
Tom, excellent video I didn’t realize how smooth the Riven drives on the freeway. It looks like you weren’t even moving on the New York Thruway from the way the camera was responding.
I have that same CS-40. When I got it for my 12 Leaf, I was using the stock granny charger and it felt like I won the lottery. I still have the Leaf. But, also use it for our other EVs too. But, I wish I had a 48amp to match what today's cars can do.
:-D All it takes is that little shout out... like when Sara Dietschy got that shout out from Casey Neistat. It was a nice bump but that gave her the fuel to really step things up. Just looking at this channel, I think he's doing pretty well. He's got a good sub count and 55k is definitely no joke. Every little bit helps though. As always, it's about the content. :-)
Thanks had this exact question as I drive from Boston to Warren VT and have an R1S. However that 10 degrees colder may explain the Lightning having less range.
Tom, you are a numbers geek for sure, but as you have said a lot us watching are as well. I'm curious about your thoughts on the trip planning capabilities of the Rivian vs the Ford vs Tesla. I know Tesla has been the pioneer in EVs but others are catching up and hopefully as I write this ECAmerica and other non Tesla charging stations improve reliability/availability. Since you've owned and or tested each of the manufacturers I've listed I would greatly appreciate your thoughts on route planning and ease of road tripping with regard to these three manufacturers. As a caveat I'm asking in reference to the Rivian R1T, Ford Lightening and Tesla Model X (since the Cybertruck does not exist). Thanks again for the excellent reviews.
Cool Video, The Wife wasn't looking so Happy, But she knew you were gonna make it! I'am Still not convinced or say Comfortable with not knowing IF you're Gonna make it. Like what happens if there's a Flat Tire, Or an accident, Or Road Closure??? With 36 GALLON'S of Gas in my Truck I'd feel a Little more relaxed that if we had to take a detour or something unexpected happened that we would Make the destination. Nice Trucks, and Good Information Tom.
Ken, I could have stoped at 5 or 6 places directly along the route if I wanted to, and a simple 15-minute stop could have added back 70-80 miles. Normally, people wouldn't be doing range tests like I was so there wouldn't be an issue. If you felt uncomfortable, you could just pull off the highway, plug in for 15 minutes and you're good to go.
We have both a R1T and Lariat ER Lightning. I thought the R1T has a 135kWh battery while the Lightning has 131kWh. Am I wrong? Maybe you are talking specifically about "available" kWh? Love your videos!!! You're the best, Tom!!! 🥰
Tom, when are you going up to upstate NY to test out one of the now activated Tesla magic dock on your F-150 Lightning. Would love to see how it charges on it.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Just watched it. Great to see you there with all the other none-Teslas charging at a Supercharger. It was great to see. Now it's only a matter of time before Tesla, or an off brand, makes a cable extension. Whenever it is, I'm sure you'll be among the first to try it out and let us know. Thanks Tom.
Glad you made it safely. It would be interesting to see the total kWH usage to compare with the mi/kWh. One factor to consider is that the Lightning is a larger truck than the R1T, so one might expect more kWh consumption, unless you used a premium electricity to charge one and standard to charge the other😅. Living in Minnesota, 19 F is a really nice winter day. Appears as long as one is able to park indoor or a least keep the EV plugged in overnight to keep the battery warm, that cold weather conditions are not a big impact. I have seen some videos where the Rivian was parked outside at nice near zero degrees F and the 12 volt battery bricked and the owner was not able to get into his Rivian R1T and had to get help from Rivian. Have you experienced any such issues? Thanks again.
I don't have a Rivian yet; R1S preorder in early Dec 2021. I do have a PDF of the manual. I couldn't find anything recommending using Conserve mode only for trips. ???
I don't believe it was an "official" statement. More of a recommendation that the vehicle is designed for all four motors to be used. If you exclusively drive using only the front motors, it will stress them more than they were designed for. The next time to speak to Rivian techs I will ask if they can clarify with an official statement.
Sure, I set it to 71 degrees and on fan speed #1. When I do range tests I always set the temperature to 68 to 72 degrees, just enough to make the cabin comfortable and I also use the seat heater on the lowest setting. I don't know exactly how much the range is affected, though. I don't think it's reasonable to ask people to drive uncomfortably without the heat or AC on so I always use climate control to keep me comfortable on range tests. I'm sure if I didn't use the heat at all and just bundled up, the vehicle would likely go an additional 10 to 20 miles.
Easier? Not really because even if I drove faster, we would have made it. I have no interest in the Max pack, personally. I would only use the extra battery a couple times a year and it's just not worth it.
also while neurotic, @kyleconner mentioned not using conserve anymore to not overuse front motors. im assuming you wont keep the rivian that long but any thoughts?
It's absolutely fine to use Conserve mode every now and then. This is the first time I used it in a few months, actually. Rivian just really wanted to let people know if you use it all the time it will put undue stress on the front motors. However, on occasional road trips, it's recommended.
Tom, wish you’d start a series on the various types CCS fast chargers if you haven’t already. Munro did a bit at the last auto show but this seems more down your alley.
Tom-I live in Vermont. Nice that you in-laws are here as well. Question I had. You talk about kWh usage while driving. 1.7, 1.9. How do you figure that? I have a 2018 model S. Thanks and enjoy Vermont
The vehicle reports the consumption rate - you can see in the video I show the display. Your Tesla displays the consumption rate in a different way, in Wh/mi. Here's a site that automatically converts Wh/mi to mi/kWh. codepen.io/FalconFour/full/dgVQGE/
No, I guess they liked my channel name so much that they decided to steal it. So now I am in the process of trying to have them stop because of trademark infringement.
So what is the etiquette about asking your in-laws for gas money...? I mean for charging....:D Are the chargers you installed on a separate meter or does that get rolled up into their general electric bill....? Cuz as EVs become more and more prevalent, I wonder what would be the etiquette of charging up your EV before you head back from the various traditional holiday visits...? Would people charge up before they leave or do they leave but only to sit at a charging station to wait until they are full to go back...?
So it cost them about $20 to fully charge the Rivian, as it has a huge battery. When I used to drive my Model 3 there, it cost about $12. My in-laws are happy to charge us up and would never take any money, but if you charge at a relatives house, it's nice to at least offer to reimburse them. That'd said, I could have just stopped along the way and charged at a fast charger, but that does cost more.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Yeah, I'd imagine this could become a sticking point as EVs become more prevalent but the charging network infrastructure and technology remains lacking or inferior due to time constraints. "Why wait at a charging station and you can sit for a spell or leave after lunch?" But then people may feel awkward or in reverse take advantage of someone's kindness, etc... "My parents never ask us for money when we charge up why should we have to pay your parents?" 🤪
Yep. But you can't switch the Lighting into FWD. I drove them both in the most efficient modes available as anyone would do if they were trying to go as far as possible without stopping to charge.
On one of the other UA-cam channels I follow, the host lives in the Los Angeles area and also has a Rivian 1T, which he loves. He did one road trip with it from L.A. to northern California and had such a bad experience with Electrify America and EVgo DC fast chargers that he said he would probably not road trip with it again. Use around town, all the time. But between coming across out of service chargers that wouldn't work at all to ones that would only charge at 15 or 20 or 30 KW that should have been charging at 150 KW or 250 KW, his experience was bad. And because so many chargers were non-functional or dysfunctional, there was a wait for the ones that were working. Plus he said many of the EA and EVgo stations only had 2 or 3 or 4 chargers total and if you remove the bad ones, it doesnt leave a lot of options. I think this is one area where Tesla really shines. They were forward thinking and proactive about building out their Supercharger network and their chargers are highly reliable and there are a lot of them. EA and EVgo and Chargehub etc. have a lot of catching up to do.
I've been driving my EVs for 14 years now and have taken many road trips and I have never not been able to charge on a road trip - not once. I'm not saying we don't have problems with public infrastructure because we do and things need to improve, and they will. But in many instances, the issues get way overblown, in my opinion.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney That looks like 6 AWG NM-B / Romex wire running from the electrical panel to the EVSE. For a 60A circuit for use with a 48A EVSE, need 6 AWG copper THHN/THWN or better, and in conduit. Wouldn't hassle you normally as this is what a lot of people would DIY also, but if this was done by an electrician, doesn't jive with code or best practice.
Neither Bill or I would hassle you because we love your videos. I feel the Wallbox install is safe enough, especially due to direct wire vs plug-in. I think a QMerit install would use conduit & THHN and cost about $450 with labor.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney That would be an awesome video Tom! If they (or you) are able to highlight perhaps some of the shortcomings of the present vs. the improved install, I think that would be great to show the community. Your videos are great as always.
Both trucks are excellent. However I definitely hate the worst in the world vampire drain of the battery in Rivian. I would imagine buying something like Lightning but SUV the way Explorer long base is. But I believe something like Suburban will hit the market first based on upcoming Silverado EV.
I don't remember, but it has to be less than one mph difference. You can see the comparison at the end I note it took me 3 hours and 50 minutes with the Rivian and 3 hours 54 minutes with the Lightning. So basically the same time to travel 211 miles.
Wow, you drive a lot - 600 to 800 miles a week! Sounds like an EV would be perfect for you as you'd save $2k to $4k per year in fuel. You wouldn't charge 3-4 times a week, you'd charge 7 times a week. You plug in when you get home every night and you're fully charged at the start of every day.
I do like the larger battery size of the Rivian, even though it is more inefficient than my Ioniq 5. I can squeak by on a long day trip without charging the Rivian, whereas in the Ioniq with a smaller battery, I might have to charge it once in order to make it home.
I wish you would have mentioned the difference in the two trucks. The F150 looks much bigger and is probably heavier too (?). This will have an effect on the outcome.
The Rivian is really a mid size truck even though heavier than the Lightning. Lightning has a full size bed and full size back seat which is very comfortable for adults. Rivian small bed and small back seat. Sit them side by side and you really notice the difference. I like both of them, and would daily drive the Rivian if I had one, but use the Lightning for long trips or when I needed to haul stuff.
FWIW, a vehicle's drag coefficient has a much larger affect on it's range than the weight of the vehicle (or load). Neither vehicle has a good DC but I suspect the Rivian has a slightly better DC as it's front end is not as big and flat as the Lightning.
Assuming the road conditions were identical, I think the warmer temperatures gave Rivian an edge. I suspect both vehicles would arrive with similar percentages if the temperatures were identical too.
Same exact route. I don't think the lower temp played a role much at all - maybe 1%. The batteries are very dense. They were both warmed up to about 50F before the trip in my garage. If they were cold-soaked outside in the different temperatures overnight and then I started out, yes, it would have made a difference, but not in this circumstance.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Since you have both the Ford & Rivian, wouldn’t doing the trip with both vehicles at the same time provide a more accurate result as to which has better range in the cold? Sorry in advance, this might be too demanding of a comparison request 😉. Please feel free ignore it. I remember Kyle from out of spec did something similar, but with towing.
@@stevemit2858 It's not really feasible for me to do the Vermont trip with both vehicles. But I am planning on doing a side-by-side cold weather range test with the two soon. I'll probably drive to Pennsylvania.
People are overblowing that so much just to get clicks on their videos, IMO. I'm not experiencing nearly as bad a drain as what I see others claim. I may have to really document it and make a video of it. soon.
I couldn’t focus on what he he was saying after seeing that sloppy charger installation. I was surprised I had to read this far down in the comments before seeing feedback😮That electrician was just lazy, route of least resistance and even mounted unit crooked. Hopefully not part of your Q Merit crew!
Let's be serious 70mph is too fast for electric trucks, most particularly in cold weather. Drop it to 65, and you'll get at least a 10% to 15% improvement in range. Trucks are basicly bricks and es we know the faster you go consumption skyrockets. At highway speeds, particularly in freezing temps, awful aerodynamics, and electric propulsion, simply dont mix. On my EQS, I have discovered that using the AC Eco program and keeping my speed to 65 translates into just 15% loss in total range. Even at temps below 0F, I still get 300 miles of range.
Using Comfort mode on my EQS 580, which has much more acceleration than Economy, reported range was 459 mi on big 21” tires. It was on flat roads in Florida, using AC, with light winds. Maybe I can get another 15 mi using Economy. I’m finding EQS range much higher than EPA rating.
You guys must either be making a lot of money or getting free cars, you own a Mach-E, a Lightning and a Rivian, any others I don't know about? I'm in the wrong business, I have to start a YT channel!
Rivan has 1.7 miles per kw, meanwhile I can get 5 miles per kw in my Model 3 on the highway. Why buy an EV shaped like a brick and a terrible drag coefficient? I think this year's release of the Cybertruck will demonstrate how efficient an EV pickup can be. I am willing to bet much better than 1.7 miles per kw and I won't be surprised to see it push more than double that.
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I'm here from MKBHD and Autofocus's plug on his new video about charging non teslas at tesla superchargers. Great video!
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happy birthday to both of you. I'm FEB 24th, so we are all close. keep the great content coming !
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i didnt know you have owned evs since 09, so nice!
Yep. Been driving EVs full time for 14 years now
New to the channel, loving this because you are demonstrating range anxiety in different vehicles. Although I am in SoCal people often talk about long trips in different weather conditions.
Great video as usual Tom! Wife is looking forward to her Rivian R1S order being filled. Right now ETA Jan-June 2024.
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This video helps eliminate some of the range anxiety issues most people worry about.
Thanks Tom!
All he and his wife talked about was 'IF' they would make it... sounds like 'range anxiety' to me... just say'n
Check out the Know You Know channel. Two attempts at a range review and both times they couldn’t even start the truck.
Not really. I do a 500 km drive in my Pilot every winter, no problem. All wheel drive. The Rivian sounds like it wouldn't make 300 km. That means 1 or 2 stops as I don't want to risk losing power in the mountains. For me this is a major downside for the Rivian, as much as I would love to get one for other reasons.
Excellent commentary
FELLOW NEW JERSEY RIVIAN OWNER. Love my truck. I had an f150 in my hands, but in the end, went rivian. Both are great trucks!
Hi Tom. Marques brought me here.
Cool - thanks!
Another great video Tom. I dig the Rivian with the more aggressive tires, such a beautiful truck. Things have certainly come a long way since 1990 when I used to deliver pizza at Nauna's in my 1969 Camaro averaging 10 MPG. As a carpenter, I'm very interested in the Lightning but an EV van would be more practical. It's very exciting to see what's coming on the market in the near future. Keep up the good work Tom..!
Hey Ian! Yes, it's been a while. It's so cool of you to stop by and comment!
You would love a Rivian delivery van used now only by Amazon for your job. I believe rather sooner than later those will hit the market for consumers.
Happy Birthday to you and Meredith! Great video.
Great Apple 🍎 to Apples 🍏 comparison. 20:58 👍🏼
Great video and I'm glad it beat the Lightning :) I didn't know you were from Chester until this video. I'm in Randolph and have a white r1T. See you around!!
Tom, another well done video! Always nice to see Mrs. SOC. Just like my better-half, all the EV talk drives her nuts. kW, kWH, wh/mi, all that drive her nuts.
Hey! Back here again sent from mkbhd. I discovered your channel for the first time around a year ago when I was researching what level 2 charger to get for my residence. Went with the grizzl-e and it's been fantastic! Thank you for what you do
Welcome back!
Very interesting fairly close considering the Lightning is driving both motors all the time and it is a large vehicle. Always great content!
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Thanks, Tom. It's great that you used conserve mode on the Rivian--two motors versus four motors--which is comparable to the two-motor Lightning. From an efficiency point of view, the two vehicles are very similar. But, like you say, the Rivian has the edge in highway driving, when it's in conserve mode.
Must-see TV. Great, thoughtful content as always, Tom!
I took this trip last week in our R1T. South Central PA to Mount Snow. Stopped in Newburgh, NY and outside of Albany for two fast charging stops. Charged to 100 at both stops. Ate lunch at the first and drank coffee and played cards at the second. It was a great way to travel. More leisurely pace and saw places I would otherwise just drive by. Same stops on the way home. No issues either trip. Weather was mild. Have fun!
Questions surrounding conserve mode, winter night driving: Any adjustments to interior comfort? Saw jackets on back seat. Cabin temperature, heated seats, heater/blower fans?
Great review, i have my eye on the R1T. Looking at reviews like yours to make a good informed decision.
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Thanks for another good one Tom. The Launch Green looks phenomenal on that R1T!
It's not the Launch Green. I have the regular Forest Green.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney my mistake, it looks fantastic.
Tom, excellent video I didn’t realize how smooth the Riven drives on the freeway. It looks like you weren’t even moving on the New York Thruway from the way the camera was responding.
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I have that same CS-40. When I got it for my 12 Leaf, I was using the stock granny charger and it felt like I won the lottery. I still have the Leaf. But, also use it for our other EVs too. But, I wish I had a 48amp to match what today's cars can do.
As things stand, this channel has 55.7k subs. Let's see how many new subs this will get after Marques gave him a shout-out in his channel.
:-D All it takes is that little shout out... like when Sara Dietschy got that shout out from Casey Neistat. It was a nice bump but that gave her the fuel to really step things up. Just looking at this channel, I think he's doing pretty well. He's got a good sub count and 55k is definitely no joke. Every little bit helps though. As always, it's about the content. :-)
He's a cool guy and I appreciate the mention.
super helpful, can't wait to get my EV! What kind of camera do you use?
Thanks had this exact question as I drive from Boston to Warren VT and have an R1S. However that 10 degrees colder may explain the Lightning having less range.
Hi Tom. Thought i saw you in VT Thursday in Chimney Hill in the town of Wilmington VT. Great place to live.
That wasn't me, I wasn't in VT on Thursday,
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Very cool, your driving through my neck of the woods. Capital district.
I saw you on the other channel :)
Thanks!
Tom, you are a numbers geek for sure, but as you have said a lot us watching are as well. I'm curious about your thoughts on the trip planning capabilities of the Rivian vs the Ford vs Tesla. I know Tesla has been the pioneer in EVs but others are catching up and hopefully as I write this ECAmerica and other non Tesla charging stations improve reliability/availability. Since you've owned and or tested each of the manufacturers I've listed I would greatly appreciate your thoughts on route planning and ease of road tripping with regard to these three manufacturers. As a caveat I'm asking in reference to the Rivian R1T, Ford Lightening and Tesla Model X (since the Cybertruck does not exist). Thanks again for the excellent reviews.
here from MKBHD, this is a great channel for EV owners....But the way you butchered his name was criminal, lol😂
Cool Video, The Wife wasn't looking so Happy, But she knew you were gonna make it! I'am Still not convinced or say Comfortable with not knowing IF you're Gonna make it. Like what happens if there's a Flat Tire, Or an accident, Or Road Closure??? With 36 GALLON'S of Gas in my Truck I'd feel a Little more relaxed that if we had to take a detour or something unexpected happened that we would Make the destination. Nice Trucks, and Good Information Tom.
Ken, I could have stoped at 5 or 6 places directly along the route if I wanted to, and a simple 15-minute stop could have added back 70-80 miles. Normally, people wouldn't be doing range tests like I was so there wouldn't be an issue. If you felt uncomfortable, you could just pull off the highway, plug in for 15 minutes and you're good to go.
And on 34" AT tires....Rvian has done a great job for their first vehicle.
Hi Tom, I enjoy your videos. I would like to see you do Nissan Ariya DCFC charging curve.
I will when Nissan provides me with a loaner.
We have both a R1T and Lariat ER Lightning. I thought the R1T has a 135kWh battery while the Lightning has 131kWh. Am I wrong? Maybe you are talking specifically about "available" kWh? Love your videos!!! You're the best, Tom!!! 🥰
The R1T has 135 kWh total with 128 kWh usable. The Lightning is 143 kWh total with 131 kWh usable.
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I wonder if you would have made it in All Purpose mode.
Why don't you visit Texas in March for a trip, it's only in the 90's here in South Texas.
Tom, when are you going up to upstate NY to test out one of the now activated Tesla magic dock on your F-150 Lightning. Would love to see how it charges on it.
I'm posting the video in a few minutes!
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Just watched it. Great to see you there with all the other none-Teslas charging at a Supercharger. It was great to see. Now it's only a matter of time before Tesla, or an off brand, makes a cable extension. Whenever it is, I'm sure you'll be among the first to try it out and let us know. Thanks Tom.
Glad you made it safely. It would be interesting to see the total kWH usage to compare with the mi/kWh. One factor to consider is that the Lightning is a larger truck than the R1T, so one might expect more kWh consumption, unless you used a premium electricity to charge one and standard to charge the other😅. Living in Minnesota, 19 F is a really nice winter day. Appears as long as one is able to park indoor or a least keep the EV plugged in overnight to keep the battery warm, that cold weather conditions are not a big impact. I have seen some videos where the Rivian was parked outside at nice near zero degrees F and the 12 volt battery bricked and the owner was not able to get into his Rivian R1T and had to get help from Rivian. Have you experienced any such issues? Thanks again.
Lightning is bigger, but 500 pounds lighter, ironically.
I don't have a Rivian yet; R1S preorder in early Dec 2021. I do have a PDF of the manual. I couldn't find anything recommending using Conserve mode only for trips. ???
I don't believe it was an "official" statement. More of a recommendation that the vehicle is designed for all four motors to be used. If you exclusively drive using only the front motors, it will stress them more than they were designed for. The next time to speak to Rivian techs I will ask if they can clarify with an official statement.
dont know if i missed it, but how has the standby battery drain been?
It's definitely worse than the Lightning, which doesn't drain much at all.
People are finding the all terrain tires have actual range very close to road tires.
What do you think abou tesla adding the magic docks to thier superchargers I would be interested if you did a video about giving your thoughts
I will do that as soon as they are open for use.
Tom - can you explain how you used the cabin heater and how it impacted your range?
Sure, I set it to 71 degrees and on fan speed #1. When I do range tests I always set the temperature to 68 to 72 degrees, just enough to make the cabin comfortable and I also use the seat heater on the lowest setting. I don't know exactly how much the range is affected, though. I don't think it's reasonable to ask people to drive uncomfortably without the heat or AC on so I always use climate control to keep me comfortable on range tests. I'm sure if I didn't use the heat at all and just bundled up, the vehicle would likely go an additional 10 to 20 miles.
Would the max pack of 400 miles plus would’ve made the trip easier or is it not worth it spending $10k?
Easier? Not really because even if I drove faster, we would have made it. I have no interest in the Max pack, personally. I would only use the extra battery a couple times a year and it's just not worth it.
When I said easier I meant less range anxiety. How do you like the rivian vs the lightning?
also while neurotic, @kyleconner mentioned not using conserve anymore to not overuse front motors. im assuming you wont keep the rivian that long but any thoughts?
It's absolutely fine to use Conserve mode every now and then. This is the first time I used it in a few months, actually. Rivian just really wanted to let people know if you use it all the time it will put undue stress on the front motors. However, on occasional road trips, it's recommended.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney got it, thought it was more common use.
Where is ur video with the BBC?
Not sure what your referring to
how do you "pre-condition" the battery?
Tom, wish you’d start a series on the various types CCS fast chargers if you haven’t already. Munro did a bit at the last auto show but this seems more down your alley.
Tom-I live in Vermont. Nice that you in-laws are here as well. Question I had. You talk about kWh usage while driving. 1.7, 1.9. How do you figure that? I have a 2018 model S. Thanks and enjoy Vermont
The vehicle reports the consumption rate - you can see in the video I show the display. Your Tesla displays the consumption rate in a different way, in Wh/mi. Here's a site that automatically converts Wh/mi to mi/kWh. codepen.io/FalconFour/full/dgVQGE/
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Thanks so much Tom. Have a great weekend!
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Tom, I saw that Car&Driver has a new "EV newsletter" called State of Charge. Any affiliation?
No, I guess they liked my channel name so much that they decided to steal it. So now I am in the process of trying to have them stop because of trademark infringement.
@State Of Charge I thought that might be the case but didn't want to assume. Enjoy the videos, great content.
So what is the etiquette about asking your in-laws for gas money...? I mean for charging....:D
Are the chargers you installed on a separate meter or does that get rolled up into their general electric bill....? Cuz as EVs become more and more prevalent, I wonder what would be the etiquette of charging up your EV before you head back from the various traditional holiday visits...? Would people charge up before they leave or do they leave but only to sit at a charging station to wait until they are full to go back...?
So it cost them about $20 to fully charge the Rivian, as it has a huge battery. When I used to drive my Model 3 there, it cost about $12.
My in-laws are happy to charge us up and would never take any money, but if you charge at a relatives house, it's nice to at least offer to reimburse them.
That'd said, I could have just stopped along the way and charged at a fast charger, but that does cost more.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Yeah, I'd imagine this could become a sticking point as EVs become more prevalent but the charging network infrastructure and technology remains lacking or inferior due to time constraints. "Why wait at a charging station and you can sit for a spell or leave after lunch?" But then people may feel awkward or in reverse take advantage of someone's kindness, etc...
"My parents never ask us for money when we charge up why should we have to pay your parents?"
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This has nothing to do with efficiency, but this green color is incredible!
Did the F150 do the trip in AWD and the Rivian in FWD? Half the drive train makes a difference.
Yep. But you can't switch the Lighting into FWD. I drove them both in the most efficient modes available as anyone would do if they were trying to go as far as possible without stopping to charge.
On one of the other UA-cam channels I follow, the host lives in the Los Angeles area and also has a Rivian 1T, which he loves. He did one road trip with it from L.A. to northern California and had such a bad experience with Electrify America and EVgo DC fast chargers that he said he would probably not road trip with it again. Use around town, all the time. But between coming across out of service chargers that wouldn't work at all to ones that would only charge at 15 or 20 or 30 KW that should have been charging at 150 KW or 250 KW, his experience was bad. And because so many chargers were non-functional or dysfunctional, there was a wait for the ones that were working. Plus he said many of the EA and EVgo stations only had 2 or 3 or 4 chargers total and if you remove the bad ones, it doesnt leave a lot of options. I think this is one area where Tesla really shines. They were forward thinking and proactive about building out their Supercharger network and their chargers are highly reliable and there are a lot of them. EA and EVgo and Chargehub etc. have a lot of catching up to do.
I've been driving my EVs for 14 years now and have taken many road trips and I have never not been able to charge on a road trip - not once.
I'm not saying we don't have problems with public infrastructure because we do and things need to improve, and they will. But in many instances, the issues get way overblown, in my opinion.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Thanks for that information, Tom. Good to know, for sure.
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Does any of the lightning motors disconnect at highway speed ?
Nope. That's a big disadvantage.
Did QMerit install that wallbox? Looks like a self install?
No, my in-laws were having work done to the house and had their electrician do it while he was there.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney That looks like 6 AWG NM-B / Romex wire running from the electrical panel to the EVSE. For a 60A circuit for use with a 48A EVSE, need 6 AWG copper THHN/THWN or better, and in conduit. Wouldn't hassle you normally as this is what a lot of people would DIY also, but if this was done by an electrician, doesn't jive with code or best practice.
@@billjohnson3344 I'm having Qmerit meet me up there the next time I go to upgrade the installation. I may make a video of it.
Neither Bill or I would hassle you because we love your videos. I feel the Wallbox install is safe enough, especially due to direct wire vs plug-in. I think a QMerit install would use conduit & THHN and cost about $450 with labor.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney That would be an awesome video Tom! If they (or you) are able to highlight perhaps some of the shortcomings of the present vs. the improved install, I think that would be great to show the community. Your videos are great as always.
I wonder how much efficiency you could gain with the Scorpion all season tires on the 20s.
275 R60 20
Rivian does not offer that combination. The 20's only come with AT tires. The 21" and 22" wheels come with AS tires.
@@chuckm260 you can buy those tires on discount tire
Both trucks are excellent. However I definitely hate the worst in the world vampire drain of the battery in Rivian. I would imagine buying something like Lightning but SUV the way Explorer long base is. But I believe something like Suburban will hit the market first based on upcoming Silverado EV.
Tom what was your average speed in the Lightning? You stated 55 mph for the Rivian.
I don't remember, but it has to be less than one mph difference. You can see the comparison at the end I note it took me 3 hours and 50 minutes with the Rivian and 3 hours 54 minutes with the Lightning. So basically the same time to travel 211 miles.
That 100% does not appear like a Qmerit installed Wallbox…..
No, my in-law's electrician did it, I wasn't involved.
Wow. Living in a rural area, I would be charging 3 or 4 times a week.
Wow, you drive a lot - 600 to 800 miles a week! Sounds like an EV would be perfect for you as you'd save $2k to $4k per year in fuel. You wouldn't charge 3-4 times a week, you'd charge 7 times a week. You plug in when you get home every night and you're fully charged at the start of every day.
I do like the larger battery size of the Rivian, even though it is more inefficient than my Ioniq 5. I can squeak by on a long day trip without charging the Rivian, whereas in the Ioniq with a smaller battery, I might have to charge it once in order to make it home.
MKBHD brought me here.
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I wish you would have mentioned the difference in the two trucks. The F150 looks much bigger and is probably heavier too (?). This will have an effect on the outcome.
The Rivian is heavier, by about 600 lbs. The Lightning had a worse Cda, though, which is more important at highway speeds.
The Rivian is really a mid size truck even though heavier than the Lightning. Lightning has a full size bed and full size back seat which is very comfortable for adults. Rivian small bed and small back seat. Sit them side by side and you really notice the difference. I like both of them, and would daily drive the Rivian if I had one, but use the Lightning for long trips or when I needed to haul stuff.
FWIW, a vehicle's drag coefficient has a much larger affect on it's range than the weight of the vehicle (or load). Neither vehicle has a good DC but I suspect the Rivian has a slightly better DC as it's front end is not as big and flat as the Lightning.
Assuming the road conditions were identical, I think the warmer temperatures gave Rivian an edge. I suspect both vehicles would arrive with similar percentages if the temperatures were identical too.
Same exact route. I don't think the lower temp played a role much at all - maybe 1%. The batteries are very dense. They were both warmed up to about 50F before the trip in my garage. If they were cold-soaked outside in the different temperatures overnight and then I started out, yes, it would have made a difference, but not in this circumstance.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Since you have both the Ford & Rivian, wouldn’t doing the trip with both vehicles at the same time provide a more accurate result as to which has better range in the cold? Sorry in advance, this might be too demanding of a comparison request 😉. Please feel free ignore it. I remember Kyle from out of spec did something similar, but with towing.
@@stevemit2858 It's not really feasible for me to do the Vermont trip with both vehicles. But I am planning on doing a side-by-side cold weather range test with the two soon. I'll probably drive to Pennsylvania.
Nice. You got there with enough battery left so the famous Rivian vampire drain won't brick you before the morning. 😉
People are overblowing that so much just to get clicks on their videos, IMO. I'm not experiencing nearly as bad a drain as what I see others claim. I may have to really document it and make a video of it. soon.
Nice range test.
Does that wire going through the drywall meet code?
My in-laws used a licensed electrician in VT. It's not the cleanest job, but it's totally safe.
I couldn’t focus on what he he was saying after seeing that sloppy charger installation. I was surprised I had to read this far down in the comments before seeing feedback😮That electrician was just lazy, route of least resistance and even mounted unit crooked. Hopefully not part of your Q Merit crew!
😂 this will be every EV man and their partner in our EV future. "We can make it babe"
Damn how many EVs does he own?
Two
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What the 'H' is the speed limit? You're doing 70 at night?
65
@State Of Charge ... no one else seems to be adhering to it either!
@@robertrobertson5120 The flow is usually 70-75mph.
@State Of Charge ... Our state patrol 🚓 doesn't allow that here! (Usually, especially in the darkness)
70 in a 65 at anytime is downright slow. You could pass cops all day going 74 without a worry. You will still get passed constantly at that speed.
Let's be serious 70mph is too fast for electric trucks, most particularly in cold weather. Drop it to 65, and you'll get at least a 10% to 15% improvement in range. Trucks are basicly bricks and es we know the faster you go consumption skyrockets. At highway speeds, particularly in freezing temps, awful aerodynamics, and electric propulsion, simply dont mix. On my EQS, I have discovered that using the AC Eco program and keeping my speed to 65 translates into just 15% loss in total range. Even at temps below 0F, I still get 300 miles of range.
Using Comfort mode on my EQS 580, which has much more acceleration than Economy, reported range was 459 mi on big 21” tires. It was on flat roads in Florida, using AC, with light winds. Maybe I can get another 15 mi using Economy. I’m finding EQS range much higher than EPA rating.
It's more efficient because of 1 thing, small truck vs big truck....that big truck has more drag and weight.
More drag, yes. However, the R1T weighs 600 lbs more than the Lightning.
anyone here due to MKBHD?
I wonder if MKBHD will enter the chat..... hmm......
You guys must either be making a lot of money or getting free cars, you own a Mach-E, a Lightning and a Rivian, any others I don't know about? I'm in the wrong business, I have to start a YT channel!
I don't own a Mach-E, but I do own the two electric trucks.
I feel bad for this guy’s wife I mean he won’t shut up two seconds for her to say something it’s kind of sad
The Rivian has a vampire drain. You will loose 3-4% per day at least if it’s not plugged in.
Who drives 70 miles per hour on long road trip lol
Gee I hear the disappointment in having to go see her parents every year...😢😢😢😢 we saw that painful half smile when you mentioned her parents
You couldn't be any more wrong! We see them nearly every month and they are awesome!
Rivan has 1.7 miles per kw, meanwhile I can get 5 miles per kw in my Model 3 on the highway.
Why buy an EV shaped like a brick and a terrible drag coefficient? I think this year's release of the Cybertruck will demonstrate how efficient an EV pickup can be. I am willing to bet much better than 1.7 miles per kw and I won't be surprised to see it push more than double that.