WOW!! Thank you so much for posting this video!! My mom, my brother Rob and I were there at Paramus Bowling that day and you can clearly see us in the video sitting in the floor level seats. My Mom was in the first row and my brother Rob and I were in the second row just to the side an behind her. This is just fantastic! I recently found some photos I took of the bowlers and their autographs that day. I will post some later...
Guys, it's a lighting issue. You're looking at a low-resolution, black-and-white kinescope. These were the greatest bowlers of their day, and some of the greatest bowlers of all time. Do you honestly think that Carmen Salvino, Dick Weber, Glenn Allison, and Bob Strampe would allow their opponents to be credited with a strike if there was a pin missing in the rack? Do you think we didn't start noticing pins missing from the rack in the 1990s or 2000s? Are you really that stupid?
Wow! This is so cool! Seeing what professional bowling looked like back in the 1950s and 1960s is really interesting to see! Never knew that bowling was such a big deal back then for a lot of people and also never knew that pro bowling was aired on TV a lot back then! Very interesting! 🎳🎳
I worked on the AMF machines at Paramus Bowling from 1972-1974. I used to watch the ABC Pro Bowler's tour matches from behind the machines. Used to oil the lanes and keep the machines working. And yes, we used to call it "rack" as well. Good times.
What I find most interesting - this is first time I have ever seen first generation 82-30s with the SpareMaker feature together. Usually only see SpareMaker with second generation 82-30s.
Paramus Lanes always seemed to get all the new stuff. I suspect AMF really pushed for them to install the latest equipment because the center was on TV so much.
Great observation on that! IIRC on the strike cycle, the 3930 and 4400 chassis would advance the rake completely forward before the table lowered; 5850 and 6525's would begin lowering the table as the rake was moving forward. These are probably 4400's as the distributor is resting at the 7 pin since the 10 pin bucket is loaded.
at the 13:24 mark you can see strempe is bowling on doesn't have a full rack of pin the 5 and 9 are missing I can't believe this wasn't noticed back then and they still allowed it to be a strike
The hold area and pocket carry on the left lane is sick. On several shots the ten-pin would never have snapped out like that on a normal condition. I'm pretty sure the gutters are at maximum height or illegally so. It's well known that lane conditions were "slotted" for these TV shows.
This was back in the day of lacquer finishes and this was a track shot. On a lot of track shots, you'd have some hold area, but get the ball outside the track and it would sail, as it did on Allison a few times on this show.
@ajankowski2 Question: How can you tell these are "first generation" 82-30s? Because I believe the 82-70 was already out by the time this was telecast. I grew up bowling in Brunswick houses, and so I don't know how to tell the difference between the original "first generation" 82-30 and the "second generation" 82-30. I know the difference between the 82-30 and the 82-70. But I'm curious how you are able to tell that these are "first generation" 82-30s.
@ddtafoya I know, I thought the same thing. But I'm pretty sure it was just a shadow. If you're one of the bowlers, you're for sure going to notice that there's no 5 pin, as it's the one that would typically take out the 8. You'd ask for a re-rack.
Paramus Lanes closed in the 80s. After several years being dormant, it reopened as an indoor arcade and amusement center in the early 90s. Michael Jackson liked to go there, and they would close it to the public so he could have it to himself and his family. It was bulldozed around the mid 2000s and a Raymour and Flanigan furniture store was built on the site.
What year is this from?? If it was after 1960, it likely was originally broadcast as a segment of an episode of the "CBS Sports Spectacular" (originally called "Sunday Sports Spectacular").
Don't kid yourself. You really think these pros wouldn't have noticed if pins were actually missing from the rack? C'mon, you're not that stupid. Television cameras were not nearly as sensitive back in these days, so any little lighting problem could make a pin "appear" to be missing, when in fact, it's just not lit very well.
@BowlingOldies and I should have said 'Sweep' instead of 'Rack' which is the proper way to describe it in AMF's terms. (my old bowling center manager insisted on calling them 'racks' so the term is still stuck in my head). Email me anyway - I worked on both generations of machines.
@yuppiehi Not pinboys. But on almost every PBA telecast, the bowling center always kept at least one mechanic back there in case there were any jams, out of ranges, re-spottings needed or other troubles.
The left lane had a plexiglass curtain through which they shot some camera angles from behind the pins. Every time you see that shot, it's obvious that the rack has all ten pins. And when you see it from the front, there's a reflection that blooms on the camera lens, cause it to appear that there's a pin missing. It's not.
Here, I'll prove it. By pausing the video where the camera is zoomed in on lane 5, you can clearly make out how the 5 and 9 pins sit in shadows and are largely obscured. But look closely and you can see both pins hiding behind the 1 and 3. Check out this screen grab I posted at www dot brownswick dot com slash images slash LeftLaneRack.jpg (sorry, you can't post links on UA-cam so you'll just have to piece the address together).
@ddtafoya I saw the 5-pin. It's just very poor lighting. It's even difficult to see the 9-pin. Also have to keep in mind that there were pinboys down there.
Correct. In the 1960s, he became a television play-by-play announcer. As you might expect, he usually did baseball telecasts. But CBS didn't do all that many bowling telecasts, so they didn't have a regular bowling announcer in their staff of play-by-play announcers. They called on Pee Wee to do this because he loved bowling and knew more about the sport than some of their other announcers. Speaking as a longtime broadcaster myself, I think he did a fabulous job on this.
@@joeambrose3260 - No, Joe. The 5 pin is there. It's just poorly lit. If you honestly think four Hall of Fame PBA pros could bowl all these games without even once noticing a 5 pin missing from the rack, you must be some kind of fool.
@@joeambrose3260 -- You just go on spending the rest of your life thinking that Dick Weber, Carmen Salvino, Glenn Allison, and Bob Strampe couldn't spot it when pins were missing from the rack, and that you have a better eye than they do. LOL! I've been in broadcast media for over 50 years, and believe me, cameras were not all that sensitive in the mid '60s when this was shot, and lighting was far less advanced. If I recall, there are shots from behind the pins on the lane in question. I did not see any pins missing from those behind-the-pins shots, did you?
Back in the '60s, CBS didn't do that many bowling telecasts, so they didn't have a Chris Schenkel on staff or any other regular bowling announcer. So on the rare occasions when they did a bowling telecast, they would draw from their stable of sports announcers. Pee Wee Reese, baseball Hall of Famer, had begun calling baseball games on CBS, and as I understand it, he also enjoyed bowling (a lot of people did back then, Mickey Mantle owned a bowling center in Dallas) and probably knew more about it than many of their other announcers. I would bet that he either asked to get this gig, or they knew of his affinity for bowling and offered it to him.
Love those lacquer strikes!!! :)
WOW!! Thank you so much for posting this video!! My mom, my brother Rob and I were there at Paramus Bowling that day and you can clearly see us in the video sitting in the floor level seats. My Mom was in the first row and my brother Rob and I were in the second row just to the side an behind her. This is just fantastic! I recently found some photos I took of the bowlers and their autographs that day. I will post some later...
3:29 there was no 5 pin
or 9 pin as well
That's phucked up. Call Harry Golden, long distance
Guys, it's a lighting issue. You're looking at a low-resolution, black-and-white kinescope. These were the greatest bowlers of their day, and some of the greatest bowlers of all time. Do you honestly think that Carmen Salvino, Dick Weber, Glenn Allison, and Bob Strampe would allow their opponents to be credited with a strike if there was a pin missing in the rack? Do you think we didn't start noticing pins missing from the rack in the 1990s or 2000s? Are you really that stupid?
Wow! This is so cool! Seeing what professional bowling looked like back in the 1950s and 1960s is really interesting to see! Never knew that bowling was such a big deal back then for a lot of people and also never knew that pro bowling was aired on TV a lot back then! Very interesting! 🎳🎳
Glenn Allison is a legend. First to roll a perfect series no matter what they say. He did at La Habra 300 bowl.
Phuckin ' A. The original Mr 900
11:49 "Allison can't find the pocket" He found it on 7 -1 - 82
The original Mr 900
golden year of bowling
Loved the Koufax reference! 😀
Its for Pee Wee
Looks like the left lane is missing the 5 pin on every rack.
Telecast was 1965
Wow, is there anything that Dick Weber didn't accomplish? What a great clip, thanks for finding and posting it :)
Cartybowls
Yes, making Pete a respectable human being instead of a drip.
I wish there was a video of the 12th annual PBA National Championship that was held at Paramus Lanes. I was at that tournament when I was a teenager.
I worked on the AMF machines at Paramus Bowling from 1972-1974. I used to watch the ABC Pro Bowler's tour matches from behind the machines. Used to oil the lanes and keep the machines working. And yes, we used to call it "rack" as well. Good times.
What I find most interesting - this is first time I have ever seen first generation 82-30s with the SpareMaker feature together. Usually only see SpareMaker with second generation 82-30s.
Paramus Lanes always seemed to get all the new stuff. I suspect AMF really pushed for them to install the latest equipment because the center was on TV so much.
Great observation on that! IIRC on the strike cycle, the 3930 and 4400 chassis would advance the rake completely forward before the table lowered; 5850 and 6525's would begin lowering the table as the rake was moving forward. These are probably 4400's as the distributor is resting at the 7 pin since the 10 pin bucket is loaded.
I like the fact of 4 bowlers and only 4 balls
Weber’s shot with all pins falling so weirdly was assisted by someone in back Assited pin carry
What year is it?
Can't be sure. But I would place it somewhere around '66, give or take.
I hate to sound like an old fogey, but I miss this era of bowling.
tirmyta
You aren't the only one!
tirmyta: Amen!
I used to watch these guys with my Dad whenever they were on TV.
This is, of course, comes from another old fogey !!
Same here pal because this was when bowling was bowling. Like the NFL, the bowling is now CRAP too & isn't worth watching anymore either.
at the 13:24 mark you can see strempe is bowling on doesn't have a full rack of pin the 5 and 9 are missing I can't believe this wasn't noticed back then and they still allowed it to be a strike
The hold area and pocket carry on the left lane is sick. On several shots the ten-pin would never have snapped out like that on a normal condition. I'm pretty sure the gutters are at maximum height or illegally so. It's well known that lane conditions were "slotted" for these TV shows.
This was back in the day of lacquer finishes and this was a track shot. On a lot of track shots, you'd have some hold area, but get the ball outside the track and it would sail, as it did on Allison a few times on this show.
tugged it but WEBER nailed it...again.
@ajankowski2 Question: How can you tell these are "first generation" 82-30s? Because I believe the 82-70 was already out by the time this was telecast. I grew up bowling in Brunswick houses, and so I don't know how to tell the difference between the original "first generation" 82-30 and the "second generation" 82-30. I know the difference between the 82-30 and the 82-70. But I'm curious how you are able to tell that these are "first generation" 82-30s.
@ddtafoya I know, I thought the same thing. But I'm pretty sure it was just a shadow. If you're one of the bowlers, you're for sure going to notice that there's no 5 pin, as it's the one that would typically take out the 8. You'd ask for a re-rack.
Paramus Lanes closed in the 80s. After several years being dormant, it reopened as an indoor arcade and amusement center in the early 90s. Michael Jackson liked to go there, and they would close it to the public so he could have it to himself and his family. It was bulldozed around the mid 2000s and a Raymour and Flanigan furniture store was built on the site.
DowntownCanon
Sad!
How many lanes did it have ?
@@joeambrose3260 54.
@@DowntownCanon Thanks, that's about half what that other one in Jersey had
What year is this from??
If it was after 1960, it likely was originally broadcast as a segment of an episode of the "CBS Sports Spectacular" (originally called "Sunday Sports Spectacular").
That's exactly what it was. I thought I left that on this video. Maybe I didn't.
I can't believe none of the pros noticed that lane 5 was not setting up a full rack, no 5 pin. Good call statehi01
Michael Klemer It was lane 8 - the 9 pin was missing too! My guess is that they all noticed but decided just to go ahead & play it that way.
I was gonna say I can't believe the carry they were getting back then but I guess it's not hard to hard to knock down 8 pins of 10
Don't kid yourself. You really think these pros wouldn't have noticed if pins were actually missing from the rack? C'mon, you're not that stupid. Television cameras were not nearly as sensitive back in these days, so any little lighting problem could make a pin "appear" to be missing, when in fact, it's just not lit very well.
Watch the left lane, it's now setting the five pin.
It's a lighting issue.
I heard Billy Hardwick :D
@BowlingOldies and I should have said 'Sweep' instead of 'Rack' which is the proper way to describe it in AMF's terms. (my old bowling center manager insisted on calling them 'racks' so the term is still stuck in my head). Email me anyway - I worked on both generations of machines.
@yuppiehi Not pinboys. But on almost every PBA telecast, the bowling center always kept at least one mechanic back there in case there were any jams, out of ranges, re-spottings needed or other troubles.
No shit, Sherlock
Thank you for that insight.
@yuppiehi Take that back - no pinboys. I thought I saw some movement among the pins, but it was actually a camera man behind a piece of glass.
looking back at the entire telecast the left lane never set a full rack
I'm certain it's a lighting issue. When you see the shots from behind, it's clear that there was a full rack.
The left lane had a plexiglass curtain through which they shot some camera angles from behind the pins. Every time you see that shot, it's obvious that the rack has all ten pins. And when you see it from the front, there's a reflection that blooms on the camera lens, cause it to appear that there's a pin missing. It's not.
These were the greatest bowlers in the world. They would know when there's a pin missing.
Here, I'll prove it. By pausing the video where the camera is zoomed in on lane 5, you can clearly make out how the 5 and 9 pins sit in shadows and are largely obscured. But look closely and you can see both pins hiding behind the 1 and 3. Check out this screen grab I posted at www dot brownswick dot com slash images slash LeftLaneRack.jpg (sorry, you can't post links on UA-cam so you'll just have to piece the address together).
I noticed it also. It appears the 5 and 9 are missing or the are set really close to each other to improve carry.
Lane 5 isn't setting the 5 pin
Wrong. The lighting is bad. And TV cameras weren't as sensitive back then. We're talking almost 60 years ago, people.
@ddtafoya I saw the 5-pin. It's just very poor lighting. It's even difficult to see the 9-pin. Also have to keep in mind that there were pinboys down there.
Lol not in 65
That's the Dodgers Pee Wee. WTF?
Correct. In the 1960s, he became a television play-by-play announcer. As you might expect, he usually did baseball telecasts. But CBS didn't do all that many bowling telecasts, so they didn't have a regular bowling announcer in their staff of play-by-play announcers. They called on Pee Wee to do this because he loved bowling and knew more about the sport than some of their other announcers. Speaking as a longtime broadcaster myself, I think he did a fabulous job on this.
Wow watch lane 5 there is no 5 pin ????
Yeah , they're invisible
@@joeambrose3260 - No, Joe. The 5 pin is there. It's just poorly lit. If you honestly think four Hall of Fame PBA pros could bowl all these games without even once noticing a 5 pin missing from the rack, you must be some kind of fool.
@@ProdigyBowlersTour Please post positive proof pronto, pics preferred
@@joeambrose3260 -- You just go on spending the rest of your life thinking that Dick Weber, Carmen Salvino, Glenn Allison, and Bob Strampe couldn't spot it when pins were missing from the rack, and that you have a better eye than they do. LOL! I've been in broadcast media for over 50 years, and believe me, cameras were not all that sensitive in the mid '60s when this was shot, and lighting was far less advanced. If I recall, there are shots from behind the pins on the lane in question. I did not see any pins missing from those behind-the-pins shots, did you?
@@ProdigyBowlersTour Legend has it that the 5 was missing during the perfect series by " Mr 900 "
Why was Harry "Pee Wee" Reese chosen to do a bowling tournament?
Wish I had a dime every time I asked that question and got no answer
Pee Wee was under contract with whatever network broadcast this.
Back in the '60s, CBS didn't do that many bowling telecasts, so they didn't have a Chris Schenkel on staff or any other regular bowling announcer. So on the rare occasions when they did a bowling telecast, they would draw from their stable of sports announcers. Pee Wee Reese, baseball Hall of Famer, had begun calling baseball games on CBS, and as I understand it, he also enjoyed bowling (a lot of people did back then, Mickey Mantle owned a bowling center in Dallas) and probably knew more about it than many of their other announcers. I would bet that he either asked to get this gig, or they knew of his affinity for bowling and offered it to him.
@@joeambrose3260 Scroll through this thread. I offered a plausible answer.
glenn allison has some big arms!!!!!