Alex - the reason this doesn't work is because powerline adaptors will only pass TCP/IP traffic, those HDMI over cat-5 cable adaptors use their own protocol. Just because its an RJ45, doesn't mean its the same signal type! In the same way phono can be used for audio & composite video. Same connector, very different signal!
Totally agree, the only way it would work is to use more expensive HDMI over IP adaptors and then the power line adaptors would be passing TCP/IP traffic instead. Much less economically viable.
Check the product link, he is using a TCP/IP hdmi link rather than just an "over cat5" converter. It doesnt work because powerlines block multicast traffic so the receiver cant find the transmitter
Paul Barker well he is using a ip hdmi link but it isn’t in the network itself so it doesn’t get an IP from the router, the power line adapter can only work if it has a valid IP address
TechFlow the way you say it is not the way the rest of the world says it ergo the way you say it is incorrect. So to say to someone that the way they say it is probably incorrect to you just shows your stupidity as does the fact that you think you can change the way something is said throughout the industry. If you turn up to a telco or any company in the industry and they will laugh at you......as we do.
The reason why the powerline doesn't work is because the hdmi sender/recievers do not use the ethernet protocol and simply use the copper in the cables.
@@sorbanbela For the ethernet solution to work for inwall ethernet ports, you need to isolate the input and output ethernet lines in your patch panel and bridge them I think. I am not sure if routers or switches can automatically detect and route the traffic.
The only think I can think of the problem being is the fact your house seems quite new which will be wired to the 17/18th edition wiring regulations , which you will most commonly find the upstairs sockets and downstairs sockets on different ring finals or radials depending on the wiring , which are on different breakers so the power won't be able to transmit the data to every socket 👍
Hi Alex, the reason this doesnt work is the powerlines block multicast network traffic so the hdmi media converters cant find each other. You might get around this by logging into a browser management page and manually assigning static IPs (if possible). Alternative brands of powerline may be ok but I know for sure the TP links do this. For the same reason you cant use Sonos over a powerline. 👍
I think you might have forgot something important... Although you send the HDMI signal through an Ethernet port and then through your mains, it probably still is the exact same HDMI signal traveling over the cable in your wall. And since HDMI is digital, not analog, the signal can only travel for about 2-3 meters (maybe 4-5 on a good, thick isolated cable) before having to get amplified. The only thing I can think of what could maybe work, is if you convert the HDMI signal to an analog signal first (e.g. through VGA or SDI) and then send it over your mains to the other adapter. Analog signals can easily travel a big distance through your house. (apologies for my English, it's not the best because I'm Dutch)
I got a 60 foot hdmi cable works fine cost 25 quid run it behind a wall no cables showing, i no you like to bodge everthing some times the simplest thing works
the problem with HDMI cables that long, is that most HDMI hardware is not designed to send a signal with that much power to drive that long of a cable. It can burn out your HDMI port after a while. Seen it happen before.
@@kaceyhowell6570 The cheapest 'fix' for that would be to drive a HDMI screen splitter from the source device and from that, drive the longer cable. Highly recommended to protect expensive receivers + TVs. That said, I must admit I'd have to check how this impacts on the ARC capabilities.
For a 60ft run, it would need to be a cable with dedicated source and tv sides (I call this active, some people say equalizing, or repeating cable) beyond 60ft, using a cable without this will experience signal loss or refresh rate drop, leading to pixel issues or no image/audio. If you are running greater distances than this, I recommend an HDxT (HDbaseT) solution. Which is how you should connect a system through HDMI over Cat5-8, which keeps it separate from the network and prevents the HDMI from eating the "Rooter's" bandwidth.
@@wiebowesterhof I can tell you, with poor 50ft cables, audio doesnt work great, due to signal drop off, as the length increases, we get more issues in my counties. If I'm remembering correctly ARC is for SS, up to like 128 channels? So it would probably be the first to go.
Update to my last comment. By using a router. Connect the sending hdmi converter to router (Lan1), (Xbox connects to that converter) then you will need to use another port on router for the power line adapter (Lan2). Take your receiving power line adapter, and your receiving hdmi converter to the TV, you will plug both of those together with an Ethernet cable, connect hdmi to TV, then That should work. Hope this helps!
If your upstairs and downstairs circuits are on different circuits + different RCD banks (which would be the norm for new builds in the UK right now) it won't work. Same side of the Consumer unit (both on the same RCD even if different circuits) works.
Mark Langley wouldn’t make a difference. All circuits in the house have a common line conductor from the meter. (It’s all connected together regardless if it’s on the same circuit). Git up.
@@nathangatenby5744 A common misconception by most electricians I'm afraid. The issue isn't the line, it's the rcd, they will work given a split load board with 2 main switches, the issue also occurs on rcbo circuits just by design. We used to use them in Amex pre-board changes, same phase no rcd's, no problem. Post 17th edition and now into the 18th with RCD and RCBO's causes issues.
@@effervescence5664 Rule of thumb for these is: one electric bill for the property? then these will work. i don't claim to be any sort of electrician but the house is all connected to the same unit some where along the lines right? on the early power line adapters they wouldn't work but on the later models they work fine. (speaking as an ex retailer for powerline adapters)
@@ashleypellegrina1067 Yes his house is connected to one power supply, that is not the issue. It's the same reason Band I cables (240v power) are separated from Band II cables (Telecommunications) as detailed in BS7671. Electromagnetic interference, RCD's work via a transformer sensing the balance between Line and Neutral, on 240v power supplies this isn't an issue as it overcomes the eddy currents. However when you're piggy backing signal down that wiring for telecommunications it has a high chance of causing interference. You're correct in stating some newer models work fine, as now some are certified to work on RCD protected circuits, however there are still many being sold that wont. Alex's house is brand new, meaning he has 2 Residual Current Devices (One protecting upstairs, one protecting downstairs as stated in BS7671 560.7.1 No circuit shall effect the operation of another). Having 2 between the power line adapters just compounds the issue of signal interference and degradation.
Try testing the power line adapters in the same room so that they are on the same RCD. I have HDMI over Ethernet extenders working fine at home because the power lines are on the same RCD
hi Fred, out of curiosity, what brand of powerline adapters are you using? watching a few videos on this, i'm seeing a trend and might go testing some theories lol. also what brand of hdmi extenders too i suppose would be beneficial
This will never work with the kit which you used. The converters are sending HDMI signals over an ethernet cable, not ethernet frames which you send over a normal switched IP network. You will need a physical cat5/6 cable between the 2 converters. Other option is to use HDMI to IP converters at each end. This would send signals over a normal network including poweline sections. Whether the power line would provide the necessary speed will depend on all of the other factors included in other comments. The HDMI to IP converters will also be more expensive and you may lose image quality depending on the quality of encoding and decoding they provide.
In the UK, powerline adaptors do work even if they are on different breakers within the same consumer box. My adaptors are connected to two different ring mains and is working perfectly fine.
from when i was looking into this a while back people seemed to say that older houses with older wiring were more likely to work because they used thick solid copper wiring , whereas newer houses tend to use cheaper alternatives .
powerline adapters only work if they are on the same circuit, and likely in a new build upstairs plug sockets, lighting, and downstairs plug sockets are on different circuits. You can check on your Electric distribution board to see how many electrical outlet circuits you have, they will likely just be labelled plugs and there should be a trip switch for every circuit. Try and test your powerline adapters first to see if you get connection.
I would have liked it if you would have shown that the powerline adapters are working and can communicate with the full 1gbps. I have some powerline adapters myself, and due to several problems in my power distribution, I cannot reach the full speed of these devices.
Perhaps the reason why it doesn’t work is, the up stairs sockets are usually on a different circuit, essentially not connected to downstairs circuit! Try different rooms on the same floor.
It would have worked, if you had it setup like this. An router needs to be involved to decide IP addresses for both of the hdmi to rj45 converters. They are (by default) required to be connected to a local network. Or private network. Those hdmi converters are widely used for digital TV boards, and department of transportation boards in some areas of the united states. Atlanta Georgia uses them. It can be a great device to use! But you have to have those devices planned in mind ahead of time otherwise if you think about them after running network cable through out your house or building. It can be a headache. There are some passive hdmi converters that can talk bi directionally without a router, but quality can be rather poor.
Thank you for this. I'm looking to do a set up with hdmi via ethernet connectors and I thought about using my spare router to set up a network strictly for the video.
Alex, please do a follow up video to prove or disprove some of the theories being suggested here. I personally live in a 3 storey house and power lines work between all floors which are each on a separate circuit. However I plan to just put HDMI cables into the walls purely because of the cost of those devices.
So, those adapters are using CAT5/6 (the cable type). There is no Ethernet signal at all. It's still an HDMI signal just using CAT5/6. Continually saying it's using Ethernet cable with an Ethernet signal is 100% false.
There are loads of solutions, but no one thought about the power line adapter.Just try to connect both units in same room.you'll find it working ,not because the shorter distance.you should connect the (power line adapters)TX & RX units into the same phase circuit from mains power MDF.
Alex, generally the upstairs and downstairs mains power is on a separate ring, therefore powerline won't work between floors. Have you tried putting the xbox somewhere on the ground floor and repeating the same test?
The powerline adapters can be on different circuits, but they must be on the same phase. (never usually a problem in domestic environments, PITA basically anywhere else) i have 4 powerline adapters spread over 2 seperate circuits (two down stairs, two up stairs) running without a problem. One thing you could try is sticking a router of some description in between one of the HDMI boxes and the powerline adapter. it may be that either the HDMI boxes, the powerline adapters, or both need an IP address or some form of layer 2 switching to work properly. That would likely explain why it worked through your main network, but not directly through the adapters (Though in that case, Myth still busted) One of the TP-Link powerline adapters i have has a WebUI for configuration that you can only access by connecting it to your network and then searching for it with their managment utility to find what IP it got. Also keep in mind that surge protectors will interfere with the powerline adapters. It'll likely say somewhere in the documentation not to plug them into surge protected extension cords for example.
In the UK, some houses have both upstairs and downstairs on one 30a breaker. I've got a few and it doesn't usually work across circuits even if it is the same phase (for me anyway)
from a troubleshooting standpoint, this seems like a good answer, but obviously (according to the lights on the unit) they were able to connect to each other. suspect its just the hdmi protocol not working properly with these two independent units, or this particular use case. could try one extra troubleshooting step to see it is what you say it is by connecting upstairs one to the internet and plugging in a laptop to the downstairs one to see if that atleast works - if it does, we know its not the power line adapters.
Ok, so I presume he needs a hdmi-over-IP extender rather than a hdmi-over- cat5/6 extender? Because powerline adaptors can only transfer IP language, not the language coming out of the cat5 extender?
and while everybody has explained that it's using it's own protocols from HDMI to HDMI, also you need to make sure the home cabling in on the same circuit/breaker else a beak in connection
As far as I understand, and I had those adapters, is that this thing uses Broadcast for Link and these PowerLine thingies when not properly configured to pass through broadcast since it is a media converter/router not a dump switch, it can't find it's source
Do the HDMI sender and receiver rely on an IP address, i.e. when they are plugged in over Ethernet are they getting an IP address? When using your powerline adapters it looked like they had 2 ports try plugging an Ethernet in as well as the HDMI adapters as when plugged in just as powerline adapters there no network as such. The powerline adapters need an IP to work from what experience I've had with them. If you plugged in 2 computers either end with them just going over the power it won't work.
I think one reason this isn’t working for you is due to the absence of a DHCP server in your setup (i.e. the router is not part of the circuit). Your router usually is responsible for dishing out IP addresses, so that devices on your network find each other and can communicate. If your power line adapters aren’t getting an IP address from you router, they will likely not be able to “talk” to each other, even though they can see each other (by virtue of that green home light). If you connect the source power line adapter through your router, it may work. Contrary to what others have said, the HDMI adapter does convert the signal to TCP/IP packets that can be routed through switches.
It’s because there was no gateway address. You need at least one router connected to the power line adapters to “route” the data. This is why it worked on the home network as you have a router already fitted.
If you try this on the sockets on the same circuit from the board it should work eg downstairs sockets, tv in the from room supplying hdmi to tv in kitchen. This is because the data piggy backs off the ac sign wave for that circuit
I am only repeating what has been said already... The upstairs wiring is on an entirely separate fused ring main to the downstairs one. Therefore the setup will only work with either both devices upstairs or vice versa.
An AV Guy here. 1st thing, don't run HDMI over 10m, it becomes very flakey, heck I never install a system with an HDMI over 7m. 2nd thing, have a look into the HDBaseT protocol. It's probably also worth buying a proper HDBaseT kit from a company like Kramer.
Would just like to add something to this video upstairs sockets and downstairs sockets are usually on different power circuits on your mains board try on same floor and see if it works
For this type of connection to work, both electrical pluggs must be on the same circuit. One being downstairs, the other upstairs, it is quiet unlikely that they are on the same circuit and that only one fuse protects both of them. Thus first make sure that there is a connection between your two plugs because other wise they cant "talk" to each other thru the central panel because it isolates circuits one from another.
"those pesky dedicated wireless HDMI systems can cost around £200… but here I have some crap that doesn't work, and for pretty much the same price" At least his parents were kind enough to let him film while they were out for the night.
It typically shouldn't affect it, since the router usually has a much higher throughput capacity than WAN/LAN capacity, which means, it's total all-at-once data handling capacity is much higher than it's capacity to shuffle internet data traffic between it and a single (or multiple) nodes (computers) on your network.
Good and interesting video. Maybe I have a suggestion. I live in a pretty new home in Italy and I had a lot of trouble getting powerlines to work at all. The main problem that killed the bandwith of the powerline (even if I had 1200 mbit unit) was that there where some active short circiut protection unita that filter out some of the 'noise' introduced from the powerline. After checking exactly what was connected to that, I ended up making special 'unfiltered' power plug, connecting myself to the light circuit, which is completely separated.
There used to be a device called HDJukebox that would allow up to 1080p signal through your mains cabling. Downside was that the quality of cabling in your wall and distance caused many issues, so even that failed. Can’t beat a decent Ethernet cable and an HDBaseT kit from HDAnywhere, Bluestream or Wyrestorm.
I say it it both ways, and Alex, just a friendly statement, the signal transferred does not travel through the power outlet to another power outlet, so the brand new power lines through the house would not make a difference, essentially you have a HDMI to Ethernet to wireless transmitter to a wireless receiver back to Ethernet back to HDMI, it should have worked unless your HDMI to Ethernet boxes have a special digital signature that the Wireless portion of the setup doesn't process. Keep up the good work. Love your videos, don't let the sensitive people of the internet get to you.. here in the USA, we call them keyboard warriors.
The power line adapters dont transfer data through different circuits and your upstairs and down stairs power are most likly ran through different circuits
The HDMI adapters need to get an IP in order to communicate each other. A powerline adapter doesn't have a DHCP (by default - don't know if its possible to enable with this unit). Maybe connecting one of the units to the home network/other router will work.
Pretty sure the HDMI - Cat5 doesn't actually do anything related to internet or ip addresses, the device is just a circuit board that jumps the pins from the HDMI cable to the pins for the Cat5 then what it does is boost the signal from unit to unit. We used then for my old event lighting business for our projectors and had a few blow and during pulling them apart to check for fuses they look like just a simple circuit board
Your home power system is probably divided in to two separate systems, one going to the left side of the house and one going to the right side of the house, or first floor and second floor. Either way, the signal gets stopped at your fuse box because the power company sends 240 into your house and splits it into 2 120's for distribution and those do not meet anywhere, therefore your signal would have to jump an air gap in order to work.
Are you saying that the voltage gets divided up rather than the total current? If so this is not correct. The consumer unit distributes 240v to all circuits in the house, the lighting and the mains outlets. Most UK electronic equipment runs on or about 240v, so if the voltage was being halved as you appear to be suggesting, the appliances clearly wouldn't work. It is the current that is being regulated, not the voltage. The consumer unit is there to protect and limit the demands of the different circuits of (say) 6A for lighting and 30A for sockets. The voltage still stays the same.
Powerlines dont do multicast well over those chipsets in those PLC units probly it need that to work try it over wireless if your access point crashes then its a multicast issue, as wireless is half duplex apart from the new 60ghz units or the ubiquiti airfiber af5 being the exception
Not sure if these existed when you made this video - but apparently you need a pair of adapters that convert back and forth between Powerline and regular HDMI *directly*. These follow the dedicated "HDBitT" protocol for sending and receiving HDMI signals over Powerline. And you will of course you would need to _pair the adapters_ when you set them up. Which isn't complicated, which requires some walking to and from the adapters and pressing their pairing buttons for a ridiculously precise amount time. Maybe I've been extraordinarily blessed by the Powerline Gods or something, but I've been using TP-Link adapters to get a wired network connection for 10 years at this point without issue; the internet arrives at my appartment through a 30cm/1ft piece of Ethernet cable randomly sticking out halfway up the wall... A literal inch from the bathroom door. So it was either hook up a splitter and an access point in the most inconvenient place imaginable, or just extend the cable to the nearest wall outlet and get it to my pc and access point via Powerline. Once properly paired, the whole setup just worked and still does - my ping is never more than 3 to 5 ms. So yeah Powerline is way better than some people make it out to be. I think people are just not bothering to pair their adapters properly and/or they plug them into extension cords and powerstrips rather than directly into a wall outlet (like I did initially lol). If you can get a direct wired connection, that's *always* better ofcourse, but Powerline is sooooo much better than Wifi.
You can't use powerline adapters on multi story property like a 2 story house. The sender and receiver have to be on the same power circuit which in a tow story house is impossible. Upstairs is 1 circuit and downstairs is a mother circuit. The two circuits are not linked so powerline adapters will never work. If you have them both downstairs or both upstairs or on the same level they will work but not if you try to over multiple floors.
Completely depends on how the house is wired. I'm writing this comment whilst connected to a powerline adapter upstairs, which connects to my router, downstairs.
I found apple wifi with audio for "casting" I use Google .. but they can connect to a network to make a wireless connection for your HDMI receiver.. making a wireless HDMI signal for cheap.
It won’t work through the power lines if you aren’t on the same breaker. If you start passing it through from one breaker to the next, it will more than likely not work. Try doing it on the same breaker line (ie living room, or kitchen but not from living room to kitchen) hope that makes sense
Alex, running HDMI over Ethernet cable, make sure Ethernet cable is good quality not cheap rubbish, Cat6 shielded is better than Cat5. Even then this sometimes simply doesn’t work. I have a run at work which is a right pain, but at home all the TVs get their signals via HDMI over Ethernet, this is tested to 4K, via a 4x4 HDMI Switch in the loft.
I think instead of regular ethernet cables, you need to use Cat5-e or Cat6 Cables. However, if in the wall you have the mentioned cables, you don't need those senders and receivers.
A media converter sends signal from both sides, it won't work without connecting directly. you should find a hdmi to fiber converter. Then you can stream at 4k also.
Ethernet will be good under 25mtrs only, for more than 25 you can use those tplink switch but with media converter it should be direct. go for hdmi to fiber converter and upload a video.
Didu ever think it dosent run threwthe wireing but maybe just maybe since u didnt ready the manual it most likely runs off a 2 way wireless signal. I am certain that i saw 3 lights on the side of those not 2. U probubly have to sync them like u do a controller to the system
hi alex.the standard data rate for hdmi at 720p over freeview is 5gb/second minimum so in essence you will never get hdmi working over these mains link adapters and the hdmi to ethernet converters should only be connected either directly to each other or through their own network switch.happy days mate.
Does the powerline adapters itself act as a DHCP server? I have my doubts on that as it will still need to get a IP address before it could work and your home network of course has a working DHCP server already. I haven't even tried to use powerline adapters without using a router/modem/what not which acts as a DHCP server on at least on one point of the link. DHCP => Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol for those of who does not know. Regards, Bachelor's of Business Information Technology Student
I would guess the reason the ethernet/power adapters are;'t working is because they usually try and establish a host and a client. If they can't find a dhcp server or otherwise clear host they won't communicate. Another reason is they really really like to be connected over the same circuit and it's possible they weren't depending on how many powerpoint circuits thew house has. The HDMI over ethernet I'd say works fine over the home network because the adapter is specifically designed to work with routers, if you bought a cheaper one or one that didn't support networking it wouldn't work.
Wow. I understand why a person would think this would work. The plugs fit and everything connects auto-magically nowadays.... It is good you made this video because now people will not try it but I am amazed you did not explain WHY this did not work in the video. I suspect that the network bridge (the powerline adapter) is not passing multicast traffic that is being pumped out by the ethernet interface on the HDMI-IN adapter. The powerline adapter itself is probably using the multicast address for it's own purposes.... It also might have custom multicast-routing or something. I do not know. It's not my video.
Alex I live in Newark and my WiFi is shocking I'm currently running a download speed of 5.6 I'm with talktalk what do u recommend I need something faster
I guess the reason why it might not be working is the reason of both the boxes not getting an IP-address through the powerline adapters, which are not connected to a router, since you did get it to work on the wired network.
Alex - the reason this doesn't work is because powerline adaptors will only pass TCP/IP traffic, those HDMI over cat-5 cable adaptors use their own protocol. Just because its an RJ45, doesn't mean its the same signal type! In the same way phono can be used for audio & composite video. Same connector, very different signal!
Totally agree, the only way it would work is to use more expensive HDMI over IP adaptors and then the power line adaptors would be passing TCP/IP traffic instead. Much less economically viable.
Oh man... i just wanted to say this too 😂.. alex Has an isp right?? I thought he would know this..
yep exactly at about 2 minutes in i knew it wouldn't work.
Check the product link, he is using a TCP/IP hdmi link rather than just an "over cat5" converter. It doesnt work because powerlines block multicast traffic so the receiver cant find the transmitter
Paul Barker well he is using a ip hdmi link but it isn’t in the network itself so it doesn’t get an IP from the router, the power line adapter can only work if it has a valid IP address
Wish you would learn to say Ethernet properly
www.macmillandictionary.com/pronunciation/british/ethernet
TechFlow the way you say it is not the way the rest of the world says it ergo the way you say it is incorrect. So to say to someone that the way they say it is probably incorrect to you just shows your stupidity as does the fact that you think you can change the way something is said throughout the industry. If you turn up to a telco or any company in the industry and they will laugh at you......as we do.
The boy thinks he is special saying it wrong. Also, he'll get tons of comments correcting him, more comments = bigger reach.
Oh my god!.. people I have no words for people like you. BUT I bet you understood what he was saying?
Did you not understand him?
It's EE-ther-net NOT Eh-ther-net. Why are you so hostile to friendly corrections?
Stephen Havilland www.macmillandictionary.com/pronunciation/british/ethernet
Tum- ay - toes / Tum -ah -toes
@@unmeitobaku4741 and your point is....
I think he does this because the countless comments correcting him give his videos a bigger reach.
Right. Almost as if the word were a compound word of 2 previously existing words or something.
Oh God please learn how to pronounce Ethernet properly. Driving me bloody nuts.
Yes. I could understand if he was just broadcasting to the British audience, but he's not. And bloody-well, can't you say "router" properly?
M B even us British people don’t say it like that - I don’t think anywhere does....
@@66wow99 He's broadcasting to English speaking audience on youtube... what you on about?
Did he tell you?
What, he built a wall around the UK and is only broadcasting to them? Piss off.
Love it when you make people realise you haven’t got a clue about basic electronics/computing. Great vid!...
lol yea
Everyone else: bugged by Ethernet pronunciation
Me: R O O T E R
That's totally what I was thinking, I missed the "eh-thernet" the first few times, I picked up "Rooter" right away.
That's how we say router... Stick to your alllooominnum
@@MsAkiman your right on aluminium wrong on router
@@jareddiamond6607 I've always heard it as how he says it in the UK
The reason why the powerline doesn't work is because the hdmi sender/recievers do not use the ethernet protocol and simply use the copper in the cables.
Ethernet is not a protocol. Ethernet is a group of physicals setup requirements. Protocols happen on higher layers of the OSI model.
Its fuck all to do with ethernet you plum!
With powerline adapters they have to be on the same electrical circuit to the master powerline adapter.
Same phase as well right? I feel the powerline adapter is a major bottleneck here.
I can confirm it. If they are not, it wil not work. Also had this solution for ethernet in the house, but had the same issue and returned it.
^ This exactly
Yep this is exactly what I was going to say, usually different levels of a property are on a separate electrical loop
@@sorbanbela For the ethernet solution to work for inwall ethernet ports, you need to isolate the input and output ethernet lines in your patch panel and bridge them I think. I am not sure if routers or switches can automatically detect and route the traffic.
The only think I can think of the problem being is the fact your house seems quite new which will be wired to the 17/18th edition wiring regulations , which you will most commonly find the upstairs sockets and downstairs sockets on different ring finals or radials depending on the wiring , which are on different breakers so the power won't be able to transmit the data to every socket 👍
Hi Alex, the reason this doesnt work is the powerlines block multicast network traffic so the hdmi media converters cant find each other. You might get around this by logging into a browser management page and manually assigning static IPs (if possible). Alternative brands of powerline may be ok but I know for sure the TP links do this. For the same reason you cant use Sonos over a powerline. 👍
You literally doing what I wanted to do with my home.... Instead of doing them personally, I just watch your videos. lol
I think you might have forgot something important... Although you send the HDMI signal through an Ethernet port and then through your mains, it probably still is the exact same HDMI signal traveling over the cable in your wall. And since HDMI is digital, not analog, the signal can only travel for about 2-3 meters (maybe 4-5 on a good, thick isolated cable) before having to get amplified. The only thing I can think of what could maybe work, is if you convert the HDMI signal to an analog signal first (e.g. through VGA or SDI) and then send it over your mains to the other adapter. Analog signals can easily travel a big distance through your house. (apologies for my English, it's not the best because I'm Dutch)
I got a 60 foot hdmi cable works fine cost 25 quid run it behind a wall no cables showing, i no you like to bodge everthing some times the simplest thing works
the problem with HDMI cables that long, is that most HDMI hardware is not designed to send a signal with that much power to drive that long of a cable. It can burn out your HDMI port after a while. Seen it happen before.
@@kaceyhowell6570 The cheapest 'fix' for that would be to drive a HDMI screen splitter from the source device and from that, drive the longer cable. Highly recommended to protect expensive receivers + TVs. That said, I must admit I'd have to check how this impacts on the ARC capabilities.
For a 60ft run, it would need to be a cable with dedicated source and tv sides (I call this active, some people say equalizing, or repeating cable) beyond 60ft, using a cable without this will experience signal loss or refresh rate drop, leading to pixel issues or no image/audio. If you are running greater distances than this, I recommend an HDxT (HDbaseT) solution. Which is how you should connect a system through HDMI over Cat5-8, which keeps it separate from the network and prevents the HDMI from eating the "Rooter's" bandwidth.
@@wiebowesterhof I can tell you, with poor 50ft cables, audio doesnt work great, due to signal drop off, as the length increases, we get more issues in my counties. If I'm remembering correctly ARC is for SS, up to like 128 channels? So it would probably be the first to go.
@@misterkelley9740 Agreed, in general terms it is for sure better to use an extender, as long as you don't mind the latency.
Update to my last comment. By using a router.
Connect the sending hdmi converter to router (Lan1), (Xbox connects to that converter) then you will need to use another port on router for the power line adapter (Lan2). Take your receiving power line adapter, and your receiving hdmi converter to the TV, you will plug both of those together with an Ethernet cable, connect hdmi to TV, then That should work. Hope this helps!
What a waste of time and money, just run a ethernet cable
If your upstairs and downstairs circuits are on different circuits + different RCD banks (which would be the norm for new builds in the UK right now) it won't work. Same side of the Consumer unit (both on the same RCD even if different circuits) works.
Mark Langley wouldn’t make a difference. All circuits in the house have a common line conductor from the meter. (It’s all connected together regardless if it’s on the same circuit). Git up.
@@nathangatenby5744 A common misconception by most electricians I'm afraid. The issue isn't the line, it's the rcd, they will work given a split load board with 2 main switches, the issue also occurs on rcbo circuits just by design. We used to use them in Amex pre-board changes, same phase no rcd's, no problem. Post 17th edition and now into the 18th with RCD and RCBO's causes issues.
@@effervescence5664 Rule of thumb for these is: one electric bill for the property? then these will work. i don't claim to be any sort of electrician but the house is all connected to the same unit some where along the lines right? on the early power line adapters they wouldn't work but on the later models they work fine. (speaking as an ex retailer for powerline adapters)
@@ashleypellegrina1067 Yes his house is connected to one power supply, that is not the issue. It's the same reason Band I cables (240v power) are separated from Band II cables (Telecommunications) as detailed in BS7671. Electromagnetic interference, RCD's work via a transformer sensing the balance between Line and Neutral, on 240v power supplies this isn't an issue as it overcomes the eddy currents. However when you're piggy backing signal down that wiring for telecommunications it has a high chance of causing interference.
You're correct in stating some newer models work fine, as now some are certified to work on RCD protected circuits, however there are still many being sold that wont.
Alex's house is brand new, meaning he has 2 Residual Current Devices (One protecting upstairs, one protecting downstairs as stated in BS7671 560.7.1 No circuit shall effect the operation of another). Having 2 between the power line adapters just compounds the issue of signal interference and degradation.
@@effervescence5664 could you send it through the earth to the earth bar?
Try testing the power line adapters in the same room so that they are on the same RCD. I have HDMI over Ethernet extenders working fine at home because the power lines are on the same RCD
hi Fred, out of curiosity, what brand of powerline adapters are you using? watching a few videos on this, i'm seeing a trend and might go testing some theories lol. also what brand of hdmi extenders too i suppose would be beneficial
This will never work with the kit which you used. The converters are sending HDMI signals over an ethernet cable, not ethernet frames which you send over a normal switched IP network. You will need a physical cat5/6 cable between the 2 converters. Other option is to use HDMI to IP converters at each end. This would send signals over a normal network including poweline sections. Whether the power line would provide the necessary speed will depend on all of the other factors included in other comments. The HDMI to IP converters will also be more expensive and you may lose image quality depending on the quality of encoding and decoding they provide.
New drinking game: Take a shot every time he says ethernet incorrectly.
Love these self taught electricians spouting the same shit
Hey Alex, Check the power outlets are on the same circuit breaker, as you need both of the powerline adapters to be on the same circuit.
Bradley Bacon Vlogs this guy knows upstairs sockets are on separate side of consumer unit to down stairs that’s why so cables aren’t linked
Does it need a common ground between the 2!?
TechFlow? More like TechIdontKnow
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funny dickhead
If this did work would you not be able to just use a POE cable to power it rather than using up another socket for the power cable?
In the UK, powerline adaptors do work even if they are on different breakers within the same consumer box. My adaptors are connected to two different ring mains and is working perfectly fine.
Those HDMI range extenders don‘t transmit the video signal through TCP/IP. It just uses the bare wires in an Ethernet cable.
from when i was looking into this a while back people seemed to say that older houses with older wiring were more likely to work because they used thick solid copper wiring , whereas newer houses tend to use cheaper alternatives .
powerline adapters only work if they are on the same circuit, and likely in a new build upstairs plug sockets, lighting, and downstairs plug sockets are on different circuits. You can check on your Electric distribution board to see how many electrical outlet circuits you have, they will likely just be labelled plugs and there should be a trip switch for every circuit. Try and test your powerline adapters first to see if you get connection.
Wouldn't the electrical circuit come into play?
I would have liked it if you would have shown that the powerline adapters are working and can communicate with the full 1gbps. I have some powerline adapters myself, and due to several problems in my power distribution, I cannot reach the full speed of these devices.
If I had to guess wouldn't you're upstairs and downstairs need to be on the same circuit?
they're on the same circuit regardless of being upstairs or down.
Have you tried the same circuit? In America rooms are ran on separate circuits. I one room has it's own break switch
They need to be on the same ring circuit. Up stairs and down circuits aren't connected but if its on the same floor it well work fine.
Perhaps the reason why it doesn’t work is, the up stairs sockets are usually on a different circuit, essentially not connected to downstairs circuit! Try different rooms on the same floor.
It would have worked, if you had it setup like this.
An router needs to be involved to decide IP addresses for both of the hdmi to rj45 converters. They are (by default) required to be connected to a local network. Or private network. Those hdmi converters are widely used for digital TV boards, and department of transportation boards in some areas of the united states. Atlanta Georgia uses them.
It can be a great device to use! But you have to have those devices planned in mind ahead of time otherwise if you think about them after running network cable through out your house or building. It can be a headache.
There are some passive hdmi converters that can talk bi directionally without a router, but quality can be rather poor.
Thank you for this.
I'm looking to do a set up with hdmi via ethernet connectors and I thought about using my spare router to set up a network strictly for the video.
Alex, please do a follow up video to prove or disprove some of the theories being suggested here.
I personally live in a 3 storey house and power lines work between all floors which are each on a separate circuit. However I plan to just put HDMI cables into the walls purely because of the cost of those devices.
So, those adapters are using CAT5/6 (the cable type). There is no Ethernet signal at all. It's still an HDMI signal just using CAT5/6.
Continually saying it's using Ethernet cable with an Ethernet signal is 100% false.
It wont work, its not ethernet TCP/IP data going through, its HDMI signal on a ethernet cable, unreadable for the powerline.
you deserve to be first commentary
There are loads of solutions, but no one thought about the power line adapter.Just try to connect both units in same room.you'll find it working ,not because the shorter distance.you should connect the (power line adapters)TX & RX units into the same phase circuit from mains power MDF.
Alex, generally the upstairs and downstairs mains power is on a separate ring, therefore powerline won't work between floors.
Have you tried putting the xbox somewhere on the ground floor and repeating the same test?
The powerline adapters can be on different circuits, but they must be on the same phase. (never usually a problem in domestic environments, PITA basically anywhere else) i have 4 powerline adapters spread over 2 seperate circuits (two down stairs, two up stairs) running without a problem.
One thing you could try is sticking a router of some description in between one of the HDMI boxes and the powerline adapter. it may be that either the HDMI boxes, the powerline adapters, or both need an IP address or some form of layer 2 switching to work properly. That would likely explain why it worked through your main network, but not directly through the adapters (Though in that case, Myth still busted)
One of the TP-Link powerline adapters i have has a WebUI for configuration that you can only access by connecting it to your network and then searching for it with their managment utility to find what IP it got.
Also keep in mind that surge protectors will interfere with the powerline adapters. It'll likely say somewhere in the documentation not to plug them into surge protected extension cords for example.
@@techflow I stand corrected. Keep up the great videos
In the UK, some houses have both upstairs and downstairs on one 30a breaker. I've got a few and it doesn't usually work across circuits even if it is the same phase (for me anyway)
from a troubleshooting standpoint, this seems like a good answer, but obviously (according to the lights on the unit) they were able to connect to each other. suspect its just the hdmi protocol not working properly with these two independent units, or this particular use case. could try one extra troubleshooting step to see it is what you say it is by connecting upstairs one to the internet and plugging in a laptop to the downstairs one to see if that atleast works - if it does, we know its not the power line adapters.
ethernet pronunciation is unreal.
Ok, so I presume he needs a hdmi-over-IP extender rather than a hdmi-over- cat5/6 extender? Because powerline adaptors can only transfer IP language, not the language coming out of the cat5 extender?
This is the kid at school who says he built his own computer at age 10 and when you ask him what cpu / gpu / mb says he doesn't remember 🙄
and while everybody has explained that it's using it's own protocols from HDMI to HDMI, also you need to make sure the home cabling in on the same circuit/breaker else a beak in connection
If your upstairs and downstairs are on different power circuits could this effect the operation of these devices? I am not sure.
As far as I understand, and I had those adapters, is that this thing uses Broadcast for Link and these PowerLine thingies when not properly configured to pass through broadcast since it is a media converter/router not a dump switch, it can't find it's source
Do the HDMI sender and receiver rely on an IP address, i.e. when they are plugged in over Ethernet are they getting an IP address? When using your powerline adapters it looked like they had 2 ports try plugging an Ethernet in as well as the HDMI adapters as when plugged in just as powerline adapters there no network as such. The powerline adapters need an IP to work from what experience I've had with them. If you plugged in 2 computers either end with them just going over the power it won't work.
Just wondering if in the powerline setup, one of the network cables should have been a crossover cable?
It’s eeeee-thernet kiddo!
I think one reason this isn’t working for you is due to the absence of a DHCP server in your setup (i.e. the router is not part of the circuit). Your router usually is responsible for dishing out IP addresses, so that devices on your network find each other and can communicate. If your power line adapters aren’t getting an IP address from you router, they will likely not be able to “talk” to each other, even though they can see each other (by virtue of that green home light). If you connect the source power line adapter through your router, it may work. Contrary to what others have said, the HDMI adapter does convert the signal to TCP/IP packets that can be routed through switches.
I think you might be correct if they do work over a switch.
It’s because there was no gateway address. You need at least one router connected to the power line adapters to “route” the data.
This is why it worked on the home network as you have a router already fitted.
Harry lol what. Why would a router need to get involved with traffic between two adapters
If you try this on the sockets on the same circuit from the board it should work eg downstairs sockets, tv in the from room supplying hdmi to tv in kitchen. This is because the data piggy backs off the ac sign wave for that circuit
I am only repeating what has been said already... The upstairs wiring is on an entirely separate fused ring main to the downstairs one. Therefore the setup will only work with either both devices upstairs or vice versa.
I love how you need to do a quick recap just to get past 10 min and you're pretty much just saying what you said earlier in the video
Too many wires. Really in all honesty I don't see the point of this for nearly £300 or for free. Please explain?
Did u try setting up the tplink first try using normal internet though it first yo see if it is working.
As soon as you see a TV that high on a wall on a tech channel - keep calm and find another UA-cam "Tech" Channel.
The camera moving and zooming all the time is really distracting. Is that something new?
Indeed. People see that a certain technology exists so they'll find a way to fuck with it in an exceedingly annoying manner...
An AV Guy here. 1st thing, don't run HDMI over 10m, it becomes very flakey, heck I never install a system with an HDMI over 7m. 2nd thing, have a look into the HDBaseT protocol. It's probably also worth buying a proper HDBaseT kit from a company like Kramer.
Would just like to add something to this video upstairs sockets and downstairs sockets are usually on different power circuits on your mains board try on same floor and see if it works
Thank you, I was thinking there's not even a physical route it could have taken.
For this type of connection to work, both electrical pluggs must be on the same circuit. One being downstairs, the other upstairs, it is quiet unlikely that they are on the same circuit and that only one fuse protects both of them. Thus first make sure that there is a connection between your two plugs because other wise they cant "talk" to each other thru the central panel because it isolates circuits one from another.
@@techflow well yes exactly. Are all your power lines connected to the main the main switch ? You dont answer to that, the rest I dont give a dam !
This isn’t about circuits. You can’t do hdmi over Ethernet via power line. It needs to be hdmi over tcp ip
TechFlow mate what’s the point of these videos.. you’re supposed to run an isp yet don’t have an understanding of basic protocols
"those pesky dedicated wireless HDMI systems can cost around £200… but here I have some crap that doesn't work, and for pretty much the same price"
At least his parents were kind enough to let him film while they were out for the night.
Hi Alex,
When the HDMI set up is running on your home network, does it affect your internet speed??
It typically shouldn't affect it, since the router usually has a much higher throughput capacity than WAN/LAN capacity, which means, it's total all-at-once data handling capacity is much higher than it's capacity to shuffle internet data traffic between it and a single (or multiple) nodes (computers) on your network.
Good and interesting video. Maybe I have a suggestion. I live in a pretty new home in Italy and I had a lot of trouble getting powerlines to work at all. The main problem that killed the bandwith of the powerline (even if I had 1200 mbit unit) was that there where some active short circiut protection unita that filter out some of the 'noise' introduced from the powerline.
After checking exactly what was connected to that, I ended up making special 'unfiltered' power plug, connecting myself to the light circuit, which is completely separated.
There used to be a device called HDJukebox that would allow up to 1080p signal through your mains cabling. Downside was that the quality of cabling in your wall and distance caused many issues, so even that failed. Can’t beat a decent Ethernet cable and an HDBaseT kit from HDAnywhere, Bluestream or Wyrestorm.
I think you have to be on the same ring to do that
I say it it both ways, and Alex, just a friendly statement, the signal transferred does not travel through the power outlet to another power outlet, so the brand new power lines through the house would not make a difference, essentially you have a HDMI to Ethernet to wireless transmitter to a wireless receiver back to Ethernet back to HDMI, it should have worked unless your HDMI to Ethernet boxes have a special digital signature that the Wireless portion of the setup doesn't process.
Keep up the good work. Love your videos, don't let the sensitive people of the internet get to you.. here in the USA, we call them keyboard warriors.
I have heard that Pway adaptors work through powerlines at 720.
you are taking a av1000 powerline kit (60mbit realistic at max?) with a full duplex gigabit link.... thats truly 1000mbits 1 way and back.
smoking trees jus to release my anger
The power line adapters dont transfer data through different circuits and your upstairs and down stairs power are most likly ran through different circuits
The HDMI adapters need to get an IP in order to communicate each other. A powerline adapter doesn't have a DHCP (by default - don't know if its possible to enable with this unit).
Maybe connecting one of the units to the home network/other router will work.
Pretty sure the HDMI - Cat5 doesn't actually do anything related to internet or ip addresses, the device is just a circuit board that jumps the pins from the HDMI cable to the pins for the Cat5 then what it does is boost the signal from unit to unit. We used then for my old event lighting business for our projectors and had a few blow and during pulling them apart to check for fuses they look like just a simple circuit board
Your home power system is probably divided in to two separate systems, one going to the left side of the house and one going to the right side of the house, or first floor and second floor. Either way, the signal gets stopped at your fuse box because the power company sends 240 into your house and splits it into 2 120's for distribution and those do not meet anywhere, therefore your signal would have to jump an air gap in order to work.
Are you saying that the voltage gets divided up rather than the total current? If so this is not correct.
The consumer unit distributes 240v to all circuits in the house, the lighting and the mains outlets. Most UK electronic equipment runs on or about 240v, so if the voltage was being halved as you appear to be suggesting, the appliances clearly wouldn't work. It is the current that is being regulated, not the voltage.
The consumer unit is there to protect and limit the demands of the different circuits of (say) 6A for lighting and 30A for sockets. The voltage still stays the same.
Powerlines dont do multicast well over those chipsets in those PLC units probly it need that to work try it over wireless if your access point crashes then its a multicast issue, as wireless is half duplex apart from the new 60ghz units or the ubiquiti airfiber af5 being the exception
Is the Power line adapter assigning an Ip? Some things like that need an IP.
It would literally cost 25 pounds to buy another now tv and put it on the same subscription
Not sure if these existed when you made this video - but apparently you need a pair of adapters that convert back and forth between Powerline and regular HDMI *directly*. These follow the dedicated "HDBitT" protocol for sending and receiving HDMI signals over Powerline. And you will of course you would need to _pair the adapters_ when you set them up. Which isn't complicated, which requires some walking to and from the adapters and pressing their pairing buttons for a ridiculously precise amount time.
Maybe I've been extraordinarily blessed by the Powerline Gods or something, but I've been using TP-Link adapters to get a wired network connection for 10 years at this point without issue; the internet arrives at my appartment through a 30cm/1ft piece of Ethernet cable randomly sticking out halfway up the wall... A literal inch from the bathroom door. So it was either hook up a splitter and an access point in the most inconvenient place imaginable, or just extend the cable to the nearest wall outlet and get it to my pc and access point via Powerline. Once properly paired, the whole setup just worked and still does - my ping is never more than 3 to 5 ms.
So yeah Powerline is way better than some people make it out to be. I think people are just not bothering to pair their adapters properly and/or they plug them into extension cords and powerstrips rather than directly into a wall outlet (like I did initially lol). If you can get a direct wired connection, that's *always* better ofcourse, but Powerline is sooooo much better than Wifi.
They need to be HDMI over IP but those are expensive, that kit only really amplifies and still uses the hdmi encoding
You can't use powerline adapters on multi story property like a 2 story house.
The sender and receiver have to be on the same power circuit which in a tow story house is impossible. Upstairs is 1 circuit and downstairs is a mother circuit.
The two circuits are not linked so powerline adapters will never work.
If you have them both downstairs or both upstairs or on the same level they will work but not if you try to over multiple floors.
Completely depends on how the house is wired.
I'm writing this comment whilst connected to a powerline adapter upstairs, which connects to my router, downstairs.
I found apple wifi with audio for "casting" I use Google .. but they can connect to a network to make a wireless connection for your HDMI receiver.. making a wireless HDMI signal for cheap.
Could have just been how your house is wired lol
It won’t work through the power lines if you aren’t on the same breaker. If you start passing it through from one breaker to the next, it will more than likely not work. Try doing it on the same breaker line (ie living room, or kitchen but not from living room to kitchen) hope that makes sense
They need to be on the same fuse board circuit
Alex, running HDMI over Ethernet cable, make sure Ethernet cable is good quality not cheap rubbish, Cat6 shielded is better than Cat5. Even then this sometimes simply doesn’t work. I have a run at work which is a right pain, but at home all the TVs get their signals via HDMI over Ethernet, this is tested to 4K, via a 4x4 HDMI Switch in the loft.
I think instead of regular ethernet cables, you need to use Cat5-e or Cat6 Cables. However, if in the wall you have the mentioned cables, you don't need those senders and receivers.
Maybe a dumb question but why didnt you just get an hdmi over powerline adapter
A media converter sends signal from both sides, it won't work without connecting directly. you should find a hdmi to fiber converter. Then you can stream at 4k also.
Ethernet will be good under 25mtrs only, for more than 25 you can use those tplink switch but with media converter it should be direct. go for hdmi to fiber converter and upload a video.
you can get optical HDMI cables for >25/30ms
Didu ever think it dosent run threwthe wireing but maybe just maybe since u didnt ready the manual it most likely runs off a 2 way wireless signal. I am certain that i saw 3 lights on the side of those not 2. U probubly have to sync them like u do a controller to the system
hi alex.the standard data rate for hdmi at 720p over freeview is 5gb/second minimum so in essence you will never get hdmi working over these mains link adapters and the hdmi to ethernet converters should only be connected either directly to each other or through their own network switch.happy days mate.
Right now u could just buy another Xbox for $200
Does the powerline adapters itself act as a DHCP server? I have my doubts on that as it will still need to get a IP address before it could work and your home network of course has a working DHCP server already. I haven't even tried to use powerline adapters without using a router/modem/what not which acts as a DHCP server on at least on one point of the link.
DHCP => Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol for those of who does not know.
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I would guess the reason the ethernet/power adapters are;'t working is because they usually try and establish a host and a client. If they can't find a dhcp server or otherwise clear host they won't communicate. Another reason is they really really like to be connected over the same circuit and it's possible they weren't depending on how many powerpoint circuits thew house has. The HDMI over ethernet I'd say works fine over the home network because the adapter is specifically designed to work with routers, if you bought a cheaper one or one that didn't support networking it wouldn't work.
He spent 180 on a kit to get his xbox down stairs when he could of just bought a new xbox for like £200 ahah
Hey is you wiring in your house copper or aluminium if aluminium it won’t work.
Wow. I understand why a person would think this would work. The plugs fit and everything connects auto-magically nowadays.... It is good you made this video because now people will not try it but I am amazed you did not explain WHY this did not work in the video. I suspect that the network bridge (the powerline adapter) is not passing multicast traffic that is being pumped out by the ethernet interface on the HDMI-IN adapter. The powerline adapter itself is probably using the multicast address for it's own purposes.... It also might have custom multicast-routing or something. I do not know. It's not my video.
how would it work with a hub? can we get the signal in multiple tvs?
Alex I live in Newark and my WiFi is shocking I'm currently running a download speed of 5.6 I'm with talktalk what do u recommend I need something faster
I guess the reason why it might not be working is the reason of both the boxes not getting an IP-address through the powerline adapters, which are not connected to a router, since you did get it to work on the wired network.
So to confirm, this will at least work through a router? Or only an Ethernet cable itself.