Austin's unmatched enthusiasm (to put it lightly 😂) for Red Rising is the reason I picked up the series and I'm so glad that I did because this might have just become my favourite book of all time, thankyou so much for putting it on my radar
I didn’t quite get the Tactus message like Austin but makes sense. I was invested in Mustang continually telling Darrow to fix the Roque relationship and not to trust her brother.
I just finished Golden Sun. I have to say it's probably my favorite book beating the mistborn trilogy. The most emotional part for me was the scene with darrow and his mother. I have 4 kids, so I was sobbing reading it!! I just kept picturing them, and I almost couldn't handle it!
I'm actually very surprised that you two saw Eo's pregnancy reveal coming. That reveal absolutely shocked me and I am usually good at guessing big twists or reveals haha. Im with Austin on this one, I also give it a perfect 10!!!
Lets go!! Glad you love it 🤝 And guessing it or not, that was such a well constructed reveal and great catalyst for this book. What a time, what a book, legendary
The line, "Always, Darrow. Always." I CRIED, and wrote that moment down in my journal. If memory serves (bc I just finished it a few hrs ago, but I've slept since then), it wasn't so much about him saying "I with you to the end" so much as it was the context in which he said it. He'd been so alone, all through Red Rising, so alone in Golden Son up to that point with so much greater stakes, and here's Sevro ignoring the class difference between them and accepting the HUGE truth of it, and still sticking with him. That was a line where I just shut the book, let a few tears fall, amd stared at the wall for a moment. This book had lots of those, for lots of different reasons.
I think one of the most incredible things this series does is it's able to take income inequality, racism, nationalism, facism, etc and make very pointed and eloquent arguments against them while also being a high octane sci fi. I really love Darrow and his way of thinking, there's a lot of reflections of myself in there that I am not too fond of and some that I am.
The ending of the book was more intense than The Red wedding from GOT. It just fits with the theme of the book Death begets death begets death. Masterpiece!!!
Nah, Darrow has more plot armor than Jon Snow in the battle of the bastards. You should be thankful that GS ending wasn´t like the Red Wedding, otherwise Darrow would have being killed in cold blood. As he should have, several times before.
Golden Son was great! The only thing for me was I got lost in some of the space battle scenes, and how quickly they moved from one location to the others
I would say Darrow DID NOT try to make up to Roque. You actually have Mustang constantly telling Darrow to fix things with Roque and Darrow just ignored it and keeps postponing it
@@HollowDomain110Just finished my first read and I get this impression, too. Like, maybe Darrow could’ve done more to make amends, sure, but given his conversations with Sevro… What difference would it make after the Jackal told him the truth?
The “I trained” quote gave me chills reading it was so epic! Thank you for having Kyle read that it was beautiful. Also the fox and the hare quote was my favorite quote 👏🏼
I know that bcs of the end many will by soured by Roque's character but I really did like him (even after what he ended up doing). His and Darrow's relationship and how you see the gulf widen and then the moment where Darrow touches his forehead to Roque, apologising (it genuinely made me tear up). There's this really interesting dynamics with all of these relationships built up in the first book, best shown by Tactus. We, in the entire first two books get alot of allies betraying to becoming allies again to betraying, and therefore it could get way too repetitive. So when Tactus who goes from being uber loyal, to betraying them, to coming after Darrow to kill him, to once again beging for his forgiveness and be loyal to him - again it could be seen as cheap and repetitive. But Darrow hones on this aspect of Golds generally but also his relationship w Tactus and Co. Its in their nature to fight to survive, to backstab, to jockie for position of power. But Darrow notes that Tactus wants that forgiveness from Darrow, they need his approval there's a weird element where Tactus is but a child acting out as a gold usually does, but there's a sorrow as at the end if he is acting upon his natural inclination, there is that part of him which craves his friend's approval, which creates an inner conflict - and a more dynamic and tragic relationshop. And I'm glad Darrow didn't choose kill him, just to forgive him once again but Lorn does - as it highlights the weird and teagic relationship better and how Darrow really believes that his relationshipwith these ppl is what can change things. It really adds that tragic aspect of their relationship - and the theme of the book, where its what society has taught vs personal relationships. Can the relationship Darrow created with these people overcome their natural inclinations. I still hold out hope for Roque salvaging what he did but the scale of the betrayal is much different.
So cool to be reading this with you guys. I had never heard of your channel and just finished the first book when I saw your video on it. I just finished the second book 2 days ago. This is perfect timing.
I just finished reading the trilogy in four days. Best reading experience I’ve ever had. I even had epic battle music play in the background, it was like a cinematic event in my mind🤯
Just finished reading this book and Golden Son improved on everything I wanted from the first book. The most emotional scene for me was when he told Sevro the truth about his real colour. It was so satisfying to see Darrow stop lying and just be honest with a friend. Shout out to Ragnar too, the development of his philosophy and thoughts on life were fascinating to see. He's surprisingly the character I'm most interested in. I wanna see his reaction to Darrow's capture and hopefully his ascension as a leader! On to book 3!🚶
Golden son is still my favourite of the series, but Iron Gold and Dark Age are incredible as well. I'm sure Austins incredible enthusiasm will compel him to read on, but will you (Richard) continue on with the later books?
I’m here months late but am a super fan of this series. I might be jumping the gun since I’m only 56 minutes each but you missed a big part about the Julian thing. They never planned for him to go they knew he was too soft for it, Augustus actually made the board of quality control send him an invite. Once a gold gets an invite to the institute they can not refuse. Cassius explains that his whole family knew he wasn’t strong enough to go through it but they couldn’t keep him away from it and that’s why they helped him train
I finished this book, open UA-cam to see this video. Perfect timing! I agree this is an amazing series and has made its way to #1 in my favorite series. Keep up the great content guys!
I started watching this podcast a few months ago and I absolutely love it. I also adore this series (maybe slightly less than Austin, but only slightly) and I’m about to start Morning Star! If I may make one recommendation for book review episodes, I think it would be an even BETTER watch (and it’s already wonderful) if you both read the book not too long before the episode, whether that’s for the first time or as a refresher. I really respect both of your opinions and experience in the sci-if/fantasy space, so when you’re trying to pull your thoughts from a semi-distant memory, I get a bit bummed because it doesn’t feel like I’m getting your fully informed perspective. That may just be me, but figured I’d share. Keep up the awesome work!
I just started this series last week. Finished Golden Son today. It's funny how in the Red Rising episode, I could not disagree with Austin more. I was entirely on Rich's side. But then I read Golden Son. And bloodydamn, I'm with Austin. 10/10. The energy and excitement and emotion that Austin displays here is exactly what I felt reading and finishing Golden Son. I don't know how the third book will live up to the second, but I'm excited.
I know this is late but I just wanted to put my 2 cents in about tactus and his "redemption" I loved this scene because it shows another reason why gold's and the society is evil. Tactus if he had grown up in any other society, he would have been an incredible friend and ally to Darrow, he wanted more then anything to be his friend but golds didn't let someone like tactus or Julien survive to become good men.
Just finished it today. I can't imagine reading it when it came out and having to wait for Morning Star, although by the time I finish Light Bringer I will have to wait for Red God. Can't wait to continue!
I just finished the trilogy today and Golden Son is my favorite of the trilogy. My biggest positive with this book is the pacing. The entire book has ZERO dull moments. Usually there are some filler or dull moments in even my favorite books but this one goes and doesn't stop. Every chapter builds and builds and every set piece is better than the last. The ending flattened and destroyed me. I had to start Morning Star that night. So many good moments in this book and the Jackal can go to hell.
Oo hope you loved the trilogy! Austin here - not reading the full comment just incase of spoilers (im sure you didnt) but thank you for whatever you commented 😂
Another great reaction. So much fun and yes it is an amazing book. And kudo's to Kyle (who should do a collab with 'read by kyle' honestly). As for the Julia au Bellona reaction. We must not forget that Julian was probably arranged to be pitted against a nobody from some asteroid who would have way less pedigree and training. They could not've known this nobody was an extremely well-carved and trained primus among golds.
Late to the party, but just finished Golden Son and I’m still reeling. Jaw on the floor, flabbers are gasted, crying in the club (my room), and so many feelings I’m in a perpetual state of shookith. Loved this book, and love that you guys make these reviews to share the experience.
I’m so glad I found your channel. Loved this review. Loved Austin’s energy and I love Golden Son too. It’s my favourite of the whole series. And that’s not to say it goes downhill; the rest are just behind it. Can’t wait for your Morning Star review now cos of course Austin’s dove/dived/doveded 😂 straight in! Has Richard read Iron Gold and Dark Age? I’m on countdown for Lightbringer; so excited!
Loving the videos on Red Rising, been my favorite series for years and it’s so great to see people discovering it. Don’t know if this has already been answered, but just reread the first novel and the reason Julia Bellona is so angry and vengeful is because, while they did know Julian was gonna die, he was never meant to enter the Institute and Nero rigged it so he could have him killed. It was illegal to reject an Institute invitation so Julian had to enter.
I read mainly fantasy and i found red rising through you two, I like the first one more at the moment and i think thats due to it being a slight blend between both genres and i like red rising at the moment but i found this book hard to read. the way you two express your love for this series makes me want to start this book again rather than giving up
@@2ToRambleive just hit chapter 49 again and I agree with alot you both said i would honestly say this is a really great book cant wait for morning star
I just finished it last night around 11pm. I was so high on adrenaline after the final 20 pages that I stayed up until 3am getting started on Morning Star. Now I am at work falling asleep at my desk. Worth it.
Love the channel, and I'm a howler too. Red Rising is my favorite series of all time. Agree so much on your love of Golden Son, only disagree on your assessment of Tactus as Pierce said that if he wasn't killed, he would have changed for the better. The interview Pierce gave on Mike's Book Reviews explains Tactus :)
I just finished Golden Son, took some deep calming breaths, then rushed to this review. Oh my gosh my jaw was on the floor with the ending. My heart needed a break after having anxiety pumping through it haha. The entire book had me on the edge of my seat, I lost count of how many times I had literal chills! Loved Lorn's "one-liners", loved how at the beginning we hear about a Gold and a Red falling in love and going through the carving then to the death of the Red wife, ONLY TO FIND OUT, that of course its Fitchner/Ares. Seeing Darrow connect the dots was amazing. I was defs part of the audience who didn't see the Eo pregnant bombshell coming. I was so emotionally deep that I didn't use my common sense to foresee that happening. Knew its was going to be huge but figured it might be something like she knows about the Surface or has some revolutionary info on the Golds hahaha. Still broke my heart though, knowing that was going to be her second surprise to Darrow in Red Rising. Also, I agree Austin, THANK GOODNESS Sevro is alive and hopefully well :') Keen to start Morning Star. Oh, and! What was it like meeting Pierce Brown (as I know you guys have met him by the time I'm posting this. Did you tell him about the pod or ask him any questions about writing etc?
So glad you loved it! Pierce Brown was awesome - but the line went really quick and we didn’t get to toss a question at him. What question would you have asked?
@@2ToRamble That makes sense, at least you got to meet him! Gosh I'm not sure! I'd want to ask him something so profound or insightful about Red Rising but I feel like I would just be starstruck haha I've been watching his interviews about his chaotic writing process and he says he can't read a book while also writing a book. Do you (Austin) find it hard to do the same? Or are you able to seperate the book your writing from the books you guys read?
@@summeroftheseasons1568 That is super interesting - I haven't found that to be a problem, but that's probably because my ideas are much less intense and don't need all of my mental attention. I can see that being the case for someone like Pierce who has to remove distractions and zone in
Fair enough! :) Can't wait to read your book! Can't remember if you already said or not, but will it be a stand alone or do you have plans for a series/universe? @@2ToRamble
@@summeroftheseasons1568 That means a ton to me that you're even semi-excited wow thank you! My first book I intend it to be a trilogy, but don't want to pigeon-hole myself. If it needs to be shorter or longer I'm totally fine with that, but with the ideas and plotting I have, it looks like it will be 3!
just finished reading this too yesterday- what a journey, absolutely loved it so much. I gave it a 9/10. loved this episode of you guys, and can't wait for future episodes.
In somewhat of a defense of Eo: perhaps she did not want to bring a child into the world just to have a short life of terrible hardship and slavery (as I recall, she knew more of what was going on than Darrow did, so, how far did her knowledge go?). So, perhaps while she sat in her cell -- and who knows what she endured while a prisoner that Darrow was never aware of -- perhaps she decided death was a mercy to herself and her child. And if she was resigned to die -- to protect her child -- then THEIR deaths must mean something, stand for something more. WAS it selfish? Depends on your perspective, I think.
Spoiler warning within: Read at your own discretion. This book is a paragon of science fiction. I finished the other day, and I have to say, the reveal of Fitchner being Ares was jaw-dropping. I'm not sure if Pierce Brown did this for the reason I thought of, it could have been a coincidence, but it makes perfect sense for Fitchner to play the role of Ares. This is because earlier it was revealed that Sevro is a Son of Ares member, and he is the son of Fitchner, MAKING HIM THE LITTERAL SON OF ARES. So who else to be Ares other than Fitchner? Genius. We are witnessing a titan of science fiction in the flesh. My only criticism of the book is the bloodshed, which, in my opinion, is overdone. I understand it advances the plot and fits the story, but that is simply not within my taste. However, this is not that noteworthy of an issue to lower my rating. Also I learn so many words reading this. Same here, Austin, 10/10. Glad yall enjoyed it. Read on!
I’m too coming from the Sandoverse, Oathbringer was my top but wait until you finish Lightbringer. Pierce has created something incredible with this universe.
After reading the third book (I’m on this journey with you. I am about to start Morning Star after just finishing Golden Son) I think it would be awesome if you two could do an episode where you cast the red rising series as if they were making movies or a show. Money is no option, take all the big name stars you want! I want to know who you guys picture as the characters! Thanks and love the videos.
I just finished reading it, and I'm shattered. What a shift from the first book. I'm starting the next right now. I can't wait any longer to find out what happens next.
I just finished Golden Son a few hours ago. I had to put it down so many times bc the tension was so great, and my fear for the characters I loved made me too afraid to read if they died. The last 100 pages was an edge of my seat, bit all my nails down, nerve-wracking, beautiful, soul-gripping, adrenaline rush! 10/10!! ❤❤❤❤❤
This book really peaked up a notch from rhe first book and defied the "Hunger Games" catcall. Really surprised many people and myself included, i enjoyed it as much as both of you!
Right after the ares reveal I stopped reading and was thinking back to every time fitctner was around. And then the realization hit me, he was proctor Mars, and what is the Greek name for Mars? Ares. It was right in front of us the whole time, it’s a crazy bit of foreshadowing
The relationship between the Jakal and Darrow reminds me of the relationahip between the Joker and Batman. Loved the Book as well, but i think i like it exactly as much as the first book. I loved the battle royal part in book one. Characters and plot is improved in book two, tho. Thanks for talking about it :)
The paring in the tunnel was not random , it is spasifcly said that Nero set it up so. At the beginning of the book when darow is being dismissed by Nero and soled. And agian when he ask for Nero to send him with his name to the Dule with cusis
34:45 Lorn au arcos is mentioned ALOT in the first book, and he was built up though the beginning of Golden aswell (before we are told he taught Darrow)
SPOILERS Just finished golden son, the ending was pure depression man. As soon as I read (paraphrasing as I don't remember exact) "I recognized that pinks movements". I initially thought it was going to be theodora planting a bomb or something but this was much worse. So my face was just sorrow the entire time through the ending. I definitely recognized how much more enjoyable to read golden son's prose was in comparison to Red rising (I loved red rising as well). But I finished the chapter where Nero and pliney were telling darrow that he is getting sold the back and forth between the 4 in the room was great, it was the first time I finished a chapter and went "wow that was really fun dialogue." The ending with them knowing that Darrow is a red just brings an entirely new layer that will be explored in morning star that I cant wait to read. (I see your morning star thumbnail I really hope that is click bait and I end up loving it). Also really cool pick up on the tactus message with lorn I had that kind of idea in my head but didn't dwell on it or try to pry anything out of that little theme so I just mentally skipped over it but gained a new perspective on it. Idk how to rate books tbh as I have read so little, so take my rating with a grain of salt. 9.8/10 (I gave red rising a 9) Its so funny everytime I read a book its like I unlock one of your videos 🤣.
I actually called the Roque plot twist from way early on. and I’m not good at predicting things. I think it was set perfectly like anakin skywalker was… but nonetheless, the book was so fantastic
Yea I (austin) viewed him in a different light - it made it more powerful for me, but I can see how one could be rooting for his redemption. Maybe that also works with the message - the Jackal also did ‘good’ things to help Darrow, but we saw where that lead in the end
@@2ToRamble i mean when he got killed I saw him as unredeemable but the conversations that came after that about him, which I don’t remember if happened in Golden son or morning start, made me think differently. Can’t wait for you to finish the trilogy!!! I’ll also be meeting Pierce in NY next month. Super excited
You might also like Poppy War by R. F. Kuang, Austin! There are some similarities to Red Rising in terms of tropes, characters, emotional turmoil & writing. R. F. Kuang and Pierce Brown also have the same agent.
I agree with you. My husband and I have been discussing the fact that Austin may have inadvertently broken their carefully constructed rating system with his rating of this book. I have too many thoughts and am still gathering my thoughts before I post in detail :D
It’s an Improvement to Red Rising which I rate as 7/10. Golden Son has some good plot twists, full of action and a great ending, 8.5/10. If you haven’t read in a while or don’t read at all this is a great set of books to get you going again. Look forward to finishing the trilogy before I have a crack at Dune. Thanks for vids and the recommendations 👍…. I wish I could get them in the trade paperbacks but can’t seem to get them in the UK.
I am almost finished with the third book. I think the second book might just be a better story than Empire Strikes Back. And that has been my second favorite story, next to Revenge of the Sith. This is my new second favorite story and my most favorite book. The ending was amazing.
When Darrow drop through the ceiling and walks across the table or floor I can’t remember which and smacks the shit out of Pliny twice I thought it was so bad ass
I agree that Golden Son is one of the best books I have ever read and I read pretty much everything of the main stream stuff. Have you guys read Dungeon Crawler Carl yet? I recommend the audio book, its legendary. If you havent, stop what you are doing and start listening. It will hit you about as much as Red Rising did.
I happened to watch a short where you guys suggested Red Rising so I thought I would give it a shot … A week later I listened nonstop to the first 3 books … Just fantastic story telling 10/10 … I will listen to the next next 3 for sure …
I think the point of the ending is to show who is and isn’t worth redeeming tactus DIDNT want to continue wanted redemption and jackle never sought that this idea I feel is expanded in the third book with Cassius
I love the third book so much every now and again, I occasionally think about putting it in the number one spot but something about this book just beats out that book just by a little
Loved the discussion. Very interested to hear you guys' opinion on Iron Gold, Dark Age and then Light Bringer coming this july. Also, in case you didn't know, there's a prequel graphic novel series that follows Fitchner and how the Sons of Ares came to be. Though best read after reading morning star as it might spoil some stuff otherwise.
Yep. By the time I was really interested in reading, I had already been spoiled by people talking about the show. I may read it, but Spoilers aside, it is hard for me to start a series that I don't have confidence in actually being completed.
I still like Eo tho. She didn't want her Darrow to be changed for the bad, so she would rather die instead of being the motive which breaks the qualities that she loves the most about her man. She wished a world where their children could become what they want, Darrow giving up would be her worst nightmare.
Hey guys great video, I havent read these yet so I cant watch any spoiler parts. I just wanted to comment on your rating system. I've questioned other booktubers on their 5 star rating systems and asked why they dont use something that allows for more granularity but they all stick with 5 stars to which I ask, Think of every book you've rated 4 stars and tell me honestly that you liked them all equally....I doubt any of them can attest to that. Me and my co-workers had a book club and I created a 10 point rating scale and its worked well for us. Yours may even be more granular and I like how you give different things different ratings then take the average. Here is mine thats I've used for 12 years now: 1 - The worst books. To me, the trees that were cut down to produce the paper these books were printed on are true martyrs! 2 - Only slightly better than 1's. Waste of time and paper. Not recommended. 3 - Not very good. Boring books. Not recommended. 4 - Below average. Not recommended. Boring, slow or uninteresting content. 5 - Average book. Not a waste of time but probably would not recommend. Slightly interesting. 6 - Slightly better than average. Not a waste of time but probably would only recommend with reservations. 7 - Better than average and almost good enough to consider a favorite book. Somewhat memorable. Would recommend. 8 - The lower tier of what I would consider my favorite books. Very good and memorable. Highly recommend. 9 - Favorite books. Very memorable and very highly recommended. Hard to put down - think about it often when not reading. Only slightly less memorable or exciting than 10's. 10 - My favorite books - The best I have read. Most memorable and very highly recommended. Hard to forget, hard to put down, constantly thinking about the story when not reading - want to get back to it to find out what will happen next. Excellent writing, dialogue and flow. No flaws in these books. Hate to see these books end. Tenths scale - A ranking of x.x means that the book deserves a ranking better than x but not quite up to par with other books that were ranked y. A 10.5 means that while I consider several previous books to be 10’s, this particular book was even more enjoyable while still meeting the requirements to earn a 10 rating. The best of the best, and rare, as ratings go. Note on rankings: Rankings are very subjective and these rankings reflect my opinions of the books I have read. Others may disagree or feel differently, but these are my opinions. Some books may be well known classics, but if they did not appeal to me or hold my interest they got a low ranking. This is by no means a ranking of literary prose or writing skills. I would recommend all books with a ranking of 7 or higher and highly recommend all books with a ranking of 8 or higher.
Just finished Golden Son and HOLY SHIT!!! now ordering Morning Star. Are books 4-6 still worth reading? Heard the first trilogy can count as the ending
Book 5 is freaking amazing. But yes definitely read on, if you liked the first 3 youre bound to enjoy something in the sequel series as well despite its scope and multiple viewpoints which are very different from the first three books!
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Austin's unmatched enthusiasm (to put it lightly 😂) for Red Rising is the reason I picked up the series and I'm so glad that I did because this might have just become my favourite book of all time, thankyou so much for putting it on my radar
HELL YEA! Glad you picked it up, hope you continue to love it
I didn’t quite get the Tactus message like Austin but makes sense. I was invested in Mustang continually telling Darrow to fix the Roque relationship and not to trust her brother.
I'm glad you are showing golden sun the respect it deserves
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Back here because I JUST finished it.
WHAT THE FUUUUCCCC 🤓
What a book. I’ve never verbally yelled while reading.
Yep. YEP
I just finished Golden Sun. I have to say it's probably my favorite book beating the mistborn trilogy. The most emotional part for me was the scene with darrow and his mother. I have 4 kids, so I was sobbing reading it!! I just kept picturing them, and I almost couldn't handle it!
Such an amazing scene!!
Omg yess, I cried so much during that scene haha
I'm actually very surprised that you two saw Eo's pregnancy reveal coming. That reveal absolutely shocked me and I am usually good at guessing big twists or reveals haha. Im with Austin on this one, I also give it a perfect 10!!!
Lets go!! Glad you love it 🤝 And guessing it or not, that was such a well constructed reveal and great catalyst for this book. What a time, what a book, legendary
Same
The line, "Always, Darrow. Always." I CRIED, and wrote that moment down in my journal. If memory serves (bc I just finished it a few hrs ago, but I've slept since then), it wasn't so much about him saying "I with you to the end" so much as it was the context in which he said it. He'd been so alone, all through Red Rising, so alone in Golden Son up to that point with so much greater stakes, and here's Sevro ignoring the class difference between them and accepting the HUGE truth of it, and still sticking with him. That was a line where I just shut the book, let a few tears fall, amd stared at the wall for a moment. This book had lots of those, for lots of different reasons.
I think one of the most incredible things this series does is it's able to take income inequality, racism, nationalism, facism, etc and make very pointed and eloquent arguments against them while also being a high octane sci fi. I really love Darrow and his way of thinking, there's a lot of reflections of myself in there that I am not too fond of and some that I am.
sounds like low midwit. Just the standard Corporate Agenda masked as o so smart.
The ending of the book was more intense than The Red wedding from GOT.
It just fits with the theme of the book
Death begets death begets death.
Masterpiece!!!
honestly my blood ran cold as he starts to open the box like I've never felt that before.
bit late but i too got red wedding vibes and the scene was great, but to me still didnt hit as hard as the red wedding.
Nah, Darrow has more plot armor than Jon Snow in the battle of the bastards. You should be thankful that GS ending wasn´t like the Red Wedding, otherwise Darrow would have being killed in cold blood. As he should have, several times before.
Golden Son was great! The only thing for me was I got lost in some of the space battle scenes, and how quickly they moved from one location to the others
Fair - it’s suuuuper fast paced. Appreciate the comment, thanks for watchin 🤠
Just like war! Messy as heck.
I would say Darrow DID NOT try to make up to Roque. You actually have Mustang constantly telling Darrow to fix things with Roque and Darrow just ignored it and keeps postponing it
Right! He kept meaning to but blew it off until later, if I’m (austin) remembering correctly?
@@2ToRamble yeah he always thought there was something more urgent to do at the time. Mustang, however, saw it was a big thing. Gotta love her
Seems like it wouldn’t have mattered given Darrow’s color…
@@HollowDomain110Just finished my first read and I get this impression, too. Like, maybe Darrow could’ve done more to make amends, sure, but given his conversations with Sevro…
What difference would it make after the Jackal told him the truth?
@@BlakeZebworst people than Roque would accept Darrow being a red. For me it was way more the resentment than Roque inherited elitism.
My gosh he made me tear up talking about Victra
Pierce told me at comic con that this 6th book is going to be crazy good but he still likes golden son the best
The most badass line was during the Cassius fight, when it says, 'inside me, red meets gold.'
The “I trained” quote gave me chills reading it was so epic! Thank you for having Kyle read that it was beautiful. Also the fox and the hare quote was my favorite quote 👏🏼
I know that bcs of the end many will by soured by Roque's character but I really did like him (even after what he ended up doing). His and Darrow's relationship and how you see the gulf widen and then the moment where Darrow touches his forehead to Roque, apologising (it genuinely made me tear up).
There's this really interesting dynamics with all of these relationships built up in the first book, best shown by Tactus. We, in the entire first two books get alot of allies betraying to becoming allies again to betraying, and therefore it could get way too repetitive. So when Tactus who goes from being uber loyal, to betraying them, to coming after Darrow to kill him, to once again beging for his forgiveness and be loyal to him - again it could be seen as cheap and repetitive. But Darrow hones on this aspect of Golds generally but also his relationship w Tactus and Co. Its in their nature to fight to survive, to backstab, to jockie for position of power. But Darrow notes that Tactus wants that forgiveness from Darrow, they need his approval there's a weird element where Tactus is but a child acting out as a gold usually does, but there's a sorrow as at the end if he is acting upon his natural inclination, there is that part of him which craves his friend's approval, which creates an inner conflict - and a more dynamic and tragic relationshop. And I'm glad Darrow didn't choose kill him, just to forgive him once again but Lorn does - as it highlights the weird and teagic relationship better and how Darrow really believes that his relationshipwith these ppl is what can change things. It really adds that tragic aspect of their relationship - and the theme of the book, where its what society has taught vs personal relationships. Can the relationship Darrow created with these people overcome their natural inclinations.
I still hold out hope for Roque salvaging what he did but the scale of the betrayal is much different.
Yeah, I loved pretty much everything in golden son. It was incredible.
Finished this book a couple hours ago because the red rising episode and now I'm crying to the most beautiful voice I've ever heard
Kyle is the man
Eo killed her self in protest not because she thought Darrow would fight against the golds
So cool to be reading this with you guys. I had never heard of your channel and just finished the first book when I saw your video on it. I just finished the second book 2 days ago. This is perfect timing.
"if they touch my Ragnar"
Me: that's some passion he's got there.
I just finished reading the trilogy in four days. Best reading experience I’ve ever had. I even had epic battle music play in the background, it was like a cinematic event in my mind🤯
This is the way 🔥
Just finished reading this book and Golden Son improved on everything I wanted from the first book. The most emotional scene for me was when he told Sevro the truth about his real colour. It was so satisfying to see Darrow stop lying and just be honest with a friend. Shout out to Ragnar too, the development of his philosophy and thoughts on life were fascinating to see. He's surprisingly the character I'm most interested in. I wanna see his reaction to Darrow's capture and hopefully his ascension as a leader! On to book 3!🚶
Golden son is still my favourite of the series, but Iron Gold and Dark Age are incredible as well. I'm sure Austins incredible enthusiasm will compel him to read on, but will you (Richard) continue on with the later books?
He will be! We will be reading Iron Gold and Dark Age together
I’m here months late but am a super fan of this series. I might be jumping the gun since I’m only 56 minutes each but you missed a big part about the Julian thing. They never planned for him to go they knew he was too soft for it, Augustus actually made the board of quality control send him an invite. Once a gold gets an invite to the institute they can not refuse. Cassius explains that his whole family knew he wasn’t strong enough to go through it but they couldn’t keep him away from it and that’s why they helped him train
I finished this book, open UA-cam to see this video. Perfect timing! I agree this is an amazing series and has made its way to #1 in my favorite series. Keep up the great content guys!
Thank you!
35 minutes in and THE LACK OF LOVE FOR MY BOY SEVRO IS UNACCEPTABLE. I let it go in the previous video but BRO.
42 minutes in "WHAT'S HIS NAME?!" You kidding?!
I started watching this podcast a few months ago and I absolutely love it. I also adore this series (maybe slightly less than Austin, but only slightly) and I’m about to start Morning Star! If I may make one recommendation for book review episodes, I think it would be an even BETTER watch (and it’s already wonderful) if you both read the book not too long before the episode, whether that’s for the first time or as a refresher. I really respect both of your opinions and experience in the sci-if/fantasy space, so when you’re trying to pull your thoughts from a semi-distant memory, I get a bit bummed because it doesn’t feel like I’m getting your fully informed perspective. That may just be me, but figured I’d share. Keep up the awesome work!
Loving Austin's enthusiasm!
Also loved Rich's confusion at Austin's 10/10 rating. 😂
My favorite series of all time. It is CRIMINALLY underrated! Thank you for talking about it!
Thank you for watching!
I just started this series last week. Finished Golden Son today. It's funny how in the Red Rising episode, I could not disagree with Austin more. I was entirely on Rich's side. But then I read Golden Son. And bloodydamn, I'm with Austin. 10/10. The energy and excitement and emotion that Austin displays here is exactly what I felt reading and finishing Golden Son. I don't know how the third book will live up to the second, but I'm excited.
Richard is going to be POSITIVE in this episode ...Richard makes cutting remarks
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I know this is late but I just wanted to put my 2 cents in about tactus and his "redemption" I loved this scene because it shows another reason why gold's and the society is evil. Tactus if he had grown up in any other society, he would have been an incredible friend and ally to Darrow, he wanted more then anything to be his friend but golds didn't let someone like tactus or Julien survive to become good men.
Ooo interesting point there
Just finished it today. I can't imagine reading it when it came out and having to wait for Morning Star, although by the time I finish Light Bringer I will have to wait for Red God. Can't wait to continue!
Cheers Howler!!
excited to hear what you guys are gonna say about iron gold it is my personal favourite so far
Oh damn! Thats real good to hear
I just finished the trilogy today and Golden Son is my favorite of the trilogy. My biggest positive with this book is the pacing. The entire book has ZERO dull moments. Usually there are some filler or dull moments in even my favorite books but this one goes and doesn't stop. Every chapter builds and builds and every set piece is better than the last. The ending flattened and destroyed me. I had to start Morning Star that night. So many good moments in this book and the Jackal can go to hell.
Oo hope you loved the trilogy! Austin here - not reading the full comment just incase of spoilers (im sure you didnt) but thank you for whatever you commented 😂
Love Golden Son, favorite of the trilogy
Another great reaction. So much fun and yes it is an amazing book. And kudo's to Kyle (who should do a collab with 'read by kyle' honestly).
As for the Julia au Bellona reaction. We must not forget that Julian was probably arranged to be pitted against a nobody from some asteroid who would have way less pedigree and training. They could not've known this nobody was an extremely well-carved and trained primus among golds.
Late to the party, but just finished Golden Son and I’m still reeling. Jaw on the floor, flabbers are gasted, crying in the club (my room), and so many feelings I’m in a perpetual state of shookith.
Loved this book, and love that you guys make these reviews to share the experience.
Great review, you guys are one of my favorite book reviewers that I watch, and I watch a lot of them, keep up the good work guys
Thanks a bunch! Appreciate it
I knew you were gonna love it, but favorite all time!?! That’s incredible, I’m glad you loved it man.
Thankya!! What a ride.
I’m so glad I found your channel. Loved this review. Loved Austin’s energy and I love Golden Son too. It’s my favourite of the whole series. And that’s not to say it goes downhill; the rest are just behind it.
Can’t wait for your Morning Star review now cos of course Austin’s dove/dived/doveded 😂 straight in!
Has Richard read Iron Gold and Dark Age? I’m on countdown for Lightbringer; so excited!
I feel lukewarm on iron gold but Dark Agr… WOOOOOOOW. Can’t wait til he gets there
Richard hasnt diveded doveded in yet - we’re going to read it at the same time!
Loving the videos on Red Rising, been my favorite series for years and it’s so great to see people discovering it. Don’t know if this has already been answered, but just reread the first novel and the reason Julia Bellona is so angry and vengeful is because, while they did know Julian was gonna die, he was never meant to enter the Institute and Nero rigged it so he could have him killed. It was illegal to reject an Institute invitation so Julian had to enter.
I read mainly fantasy and i found red rising through you two, I like the first one more at the moment and i think thats due to it being a slight blend between both genres and i like red rising at the moment but i found this book hard to read. the way you two express your love for this series makes me want to start this book again rather than giving up
Really hope you do!! Its so worth it
@@2ToRambleive just hit chapter 49 again and I agree with alot you both said i would honestly say this is a really great book cant wait for morning star
I just finished it last night around 11pm. I was so high on adrenaline after the final 20 pages that I stayed up until 3am getting started on Morning Star. Now I am at work falling asleep at my desk. Worth it.
Same here 😂
This is my exact reaction. What a bloodydamn BOOK!
I just finished it today after devouring it in 2 days. I’m with Austin, 10/10 and I bought the entire collection immediately after finishing this.
Love the channel, and I'm a howler too. Red Rising is my favorite series of all time. Agree so much on your love of Golden Son, only disagree on your assessment of Tactus as Pierce said that if he wasn't killed, he would have changed for the better. The interview Pierce gave on Mike's Book Reviews explains Tactus :)
Cant wait to watch that when Im caught up with the books!
I just finished Golden Son, took some deep calming breaths, then rushed to this review. Oh my gosh my jaw was on the floor with the ending. My heart needed a break after having anxiety pumping through it haha. The entire book had me on the edge of my seat, I lost count of how many times I had literal chills! Loved Lorn's "one-liners", loved how at the beginning we hear about a Gold and a Red falling in love and going through the carving then to the death of the Red wife, ONLY TO FIND OUT, that of course its Fitchner/Ares. Seeing Darrow connect the dots was amazing. I was defs part of the audience who didn't see the Eo pregnant bombshell coming. I was so emotionally deep that I didn't use my common sense to foresee that happening. Knew its was going to be huge but figured it might be something like she knows about the Surface or has some revolutionary info on the Golds hahaha. Still broke my heart though, knowing that was going to be her second surprise to Darrow in Red Rising. Also, I agree Austin, THANK GOODNESS Sevro is alive and hopefully well :') Keen to start Morning Star. Oh, and! What was it like meeting Pierce Brown (as I know you guys have met him by the time I'm posting this. Did you tell him about the pod or ask him any questions about writing etc?
So glad you loved it! Pierce Brown was awesome - but the line went really quick and we didn’t get to toss a question at him. What question would you have asked?
@@2ToRamble That makes sense, at least you got to meet him! Gosh I'm not sure! I'd want to ask him something so profound or insightful about Red Rising but I feel like I would just be starstruck haha
I've been watching his interviews about his chaotic writing process and he says he can't read a book while also writing a book. Do you (Austin) find it hard to do the same? Or are you able to seperate the book your writing from the books you guys read?
@@summeroftheseasons1568 That is super interesting - I haven't found that to be a problem, but that's probably because my ideas are much less intense and don't need all of my mental attention. I can see that being the case for someone like Pierce who has to remove distractions and zone in
Fair enough! :) Can't wait to read your book! Can't remember if you already said or not, but will it be a stand alone or do you have plans for a series/universe?
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@@summeroftheseasons1568 That means a ton to me that you're even semi-excited wow thank you! My first book I intend it to be a trilogy, but don't want to pigeon-hole myself. If it needs to be shorter or longer I'm totally fine with that, but with the ideas and plotting I have, it looks like it will be 3!
Highly, HIGHLY recommend the audio book! One of the best, arguably THE best, I've ever heard!!❤❤❤❤❤
so ready for the rest of these podcasts about the next books.
just finished reading this too yesterday- what a journey, absolutely loved it so much. I gave it a 9/10. loved this episode of you guys, and can't wait for future episodes.
In somewhat of a defense of Eo: perhaps she did not want to bring a child into the world just to have a short life of terrible hardship and slavery (as I recall, she knew more of what was going on than Darrow did, so, how far did her knowledge go?). So, perhaps while she sat in her cell -- and who knows what she endured while a prisoner that Darrow was never aware of -- perhaps she decided death was a mercy to herself and her child. And if she was resigned to die -- to protect her child -- then THEIR deaths must mean something, stand for something more.
WAS it selfish? Depends on your perspective, I think.
Spoiler warning within: Read at your own discretion.
This book is a paragon of science fiction.
I finished the other day, and I have to say, the reveal of Fitchner being Ares was jaw-dropping. I'm not sure if Pierce Brown did this for the reason I thought of, it could have been a coincidence, but it makes perfect sense for Fitchner to play the role of Ares. This is because earlier it was revealed that Sevro is a Son of Ares member, and he is the son of Fitchner, MAKING HIM THE LITTERAL SON OF ARES. So who else to be Ares other than Fitchner? Genius.
We are witnessing a titan of science fiction in the flesh.
My only criticism of the book is the bloodshed, which, in my opinion, is overdone. I understand it advances the plot and fits the story, but that is simply not within my taste. However, this is not that noteworthy of an issue to lower my rating.
Also I learn so many words reading this.
Same here, Austin, 10/10. Glad yall enjoyed it.
Read on!
10/10 is what I love to hear!!! Lets goooo!
I’m too coming from the Sandoverse, Oathbringer was my top but wait until you finish Lightbringer. Pierce has created something incredible with this universe.
After reading the third book (I’m on this journey with you. I am about to start Morning Star after just finishing Golden Son) I think it would be awesome if you two could do an episode where you cast the red rising series as if they were making movies or a show. Money is no option, take all the big name stars you want! I want to know who you guys picture as the characters! Thanks and love the videos.
Thanks for the idea! I wrote this one down and we’ll see if we can run with it
I just finished reading it, and I'm shattered. What a shift from the first book. I'm starting the next right now. I can't wait any longer to find out what happens next.
I just finished Golden Son a few hours ago. I had to put it down so many times bc the tension was so great, and my fear for the characters I loved made me too afraid to read if they died. The last 100 pages was an edge of my seat, bit all my nails down, nerve-wracking, beautiful, soul-gripping, adrenaline rush! 10/10!! ❤❤❤❤❤
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This book really peaked up a notch from rhe first book and defied the "Hunger Games" catcall. Really surprised many people and myself included, i enjoyed it as much as both of you!
I’m so glad I found y’all today because I thought I was alone with Golden Son being potentially my favorite book ever. That ending.. my god
Right??? So glad ya found us!
Right after the ares reveal I stopped reading and was thinking back to every time fitctner was around. And then the realization hit me, he was proctor Mars, and what is the Greek name for Mars? Ares. It was right in front of us the whole time, it’s a crazy bit of foreshadowing
Kyle's Ragnar voice is on fucking point
I know this is bloody damn late but to say I RAAAAN to this video as soon as I finally finished GoldenSon is a stellar understatement….
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The relationship between the Jakal and Darrow reminds me of the relationahip between the Joker and Batman.
Loved the Book as well, but i think i like it exactly as much as the first book.
I loved the battle royal part in book one.
Characters and plot is improved in book two, tho.
Thanks for talking about it :)
on God my blood ran cold at the climax - like no book has ever done that to me before. I felt dazzed and mournful when i shut it
Screw you guys making me tear up on my morning commute. You gotta warn people
The shower revelation explains so much
my only complaint about this book (and red rising, to an extent) is that it deserved to be even more fleshed out with a larger page count!
1:13:59-1:16:40 What a way to introduce a new character.
The paring in the tunnel was not random , it is spasifcly said that Nero set it up so. At the beginning of the book when darow is being dismissed by Nero and soled. And agian when he ask for Nero to send him with his name to the Dule with cusis
34:45 Lorn au arcos is mentioned ALOT in the first book, and he was built up though the beginning of Golden aswell (before we are told he taught Darrow)
Since it’s my favorite book, I don’t need to look through your videos to decide, instant subscribe!!! can’t wait for 7/25, it’ll be epic!
YEEEEA!
SPOILERS
Just finished golden son, the ending was pure depression man. As soon as I read (paraphrasing as I don't remember exact) "I recognized that pinks movements". I initially thought it was going to be theodora planting a bomb or something but this was much worse. So my face was just sorrow the entire time through the ending.
I definitely recognized how much more enjoyable to read golden son's prose was in comparison to Red rising (I loved red rising as well). But I finished the chapter where Nero and pliney were telling darrow that he is getting sold the back and forth between the 4 in the room was great, it was the first time I finished a chapter and went "wow that was really fun dialogue."
The ending with them knowing that Darrow is a red just brings an entirely new layer that will be explored in morning star that I cant wait to read. (I see your morning star thumbnail I really hope that is click bait and I end up loving it).
Also really cool pick up on the tactus message with lorn I had that kind of idea in my head but didn't dwell on it or try to pry anything out of that little theme so I just mentally skipped over it but gained a new perspective on it. Idk how to rate books tbh as I have read so little, so take my rating with a grain of salt. 9.8/10 (I gave red rising a 9)
Its so funny everytime I read a book its like I unlock one of your videos 🤣.
Unlocking one of our videos 😂 thanks for making our day with that comment. Hope you love Morning Star!!
I actually called the Roque plot twist from way early on. and I’m not good at predicting things. I think it was set perfectly like anakin skywalker was… but nonetheless, the book was so fantastic
It’s interesting you see Tactus as unredeemable… I thought it was pretty obvious he was. Tactus and Adrius are two different beings
Yea I (austin) viewed him in a different light - it made it more powerful for me, but I can see how one could be rooting for his redemption. Maybe that also works with the message - the Jackal also did ‘good’ things to help Darrow, but we saw where that lead in the end
@@2ToRamble i mean when he got killed I saw him as unredeemable but the conversations that came after that about him, which I don’t remember if happened in Golden son or morning start, made me think differently. Can’t wait for you to finish the trilogy!!! I’ll also be meeting Pierce in NY next month. Super excited
I gave this book a 9.5/10 only because “Morning Star” was my favorite and that book was 10/10.
Ooo nice
Just finished it… the ending made my jaw drop. 10/10 book for sure! Great review! Just subbed
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You might also like Poppy War by R. F. Kuang, Austin! There are some similarities to Red Rising in terms of tropes, characters, emotional turmoil & writing. R. F. Kuang and Pierce Brown also have the same agent.
Sweet! Knowing this definitely jnches that up closer to the top of the TBR. Would you say it’s a quick read?
You’re killing me here! How could this be better than a Brandon Sanderson book?!
Had to do it 😭😭
Because it easily is
Oh it is waaaaaaaaay better. Did you read it?
I agree with you. My husband and I have been discussing the fact that Austin may have inadvertently broken their carefully constructed rating system with his rating of this book. I have too many thoughts and am still gathering my thoughts before I post in detail :D
It’s an Improvement to Red Rising which I rate as 7/10. Golden Son has some good plot twists, full of action and a great ending, 8.5/10. If you haven’t read in a while or don’t read at all this is a great set of books to get you going again. Look forward to finishing the trilogy before I have a crack at Dune. Thanks for vids and the recommendations 👍…. I wish I could get them in the trade paperbacks but can’t seem to get them in the UK.
I am almost finished with the third book. I think the second book might just be a better story than Empire Strikes Back. And that has been my second favorite story, next to Revenge of the Sith. This is my new second favorite story and my most favorite book. The ending was amazing.
When Darrow drop through the ceiling and walks across the table or floor I can’t remember which and smacks the shit out of Pliny twice I thought it was so bad ass
I agree that Golden Son is one of the best books I have ever read and I read pretty much everything of the main stream stuff. Have you guys read Dungeon Crawler Carl yet? I recommend the audio book, its legendary. If you havent, stop what you are doing and start listening. It will hit you about as much as Red Rising did.
We have reviewed the firsr and now second book on the channel!
I vicariously live my fanboy excitement for the Red Rising series through Austin ❤
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This was probably me favorite one until light Bringer.
Pierce Brown is killing it
I happened to watch a short where you guys suggested Red Rising so I thought I would give it a shot … A week later I listened nonstop to the first 3 books … Just fantastic story telling 10/10 … I will listen to the next next 3 for sure …
Amazing 🫡. Welcome, howler
Bro Golden Sun is incredibly good. So glad you’re crazy about it !
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I think the point of the ending is to show who is and isn’t worth redeeming tactus DIDNT want to continue wanted redemption and jackle never sought that this idea I feel is expanded in the third book with Cassius
I love the third book so much every now and again, I occasionally think about putting it in the number one spot but something about this book just beats out that book just by a little
Loved the discussion. Very interested to hear you guys' opinion on Iron Gold, Dark Age and then Light Bringer coming this july. Also, in case you didn't know, there's a prequel graphic novel series that follows Fitchner and how the Sons of Ares came to be. Though best read after reading morning star as it might spoil some stuff otherwise.
Definitely have this on our radar, thank ya!
I got my supervisor and coworker on this series and its like starting a fanbase lmao
Hell yea
now i'm curious to see the reaction about dark age! that book lives up to its name
It's one of the most brutal books I've ever read...
Stopped before spoilers since I just finished Red Rising. I’ll come back after I finish GS.
I’m obsessed with Aja like she was a menace
What a badass
Kyle is great but y'all are absolutely sleeping on Tim Gerard Reynolds!
Fair enough! I (austin) havent listened to any of the audiobooks but he’s probably great
oh man his narrating is legendary
Don't think we didn't hear you say that you haven't read ASOIAF Richard...
Yep. By the time I was really interested in reading, I had already been spoiled by people talking about the show. I may read it, but Spoilers aside, it is hard for me to start a series that I don't have confidence in actually being completed.
I still like Eo tho. She didn't want her Darrow to be changed for the bad, so she would rather die instead of being the motive which breaks the qualities that she loves the most about her man. She wished a world where their children could become what they want, Darrow giving up would be her worst nightmare.
Hey guys great video, I havent read these yet so I cant watch any spoiler parts. I just wanted to comment on your rating system. I've questioned other booktubers on their 5 star rating systems and asked why they dont use something that allows for more granularity but they all stick with 5 stars to which I ask, Think of every book you've rated 4 stars and tell me honestly that you liked them all equally....I doubt any of them can attest to that. Me and my co-workers had a book club and I created a 10 point rating scale and its worked well for us. Yours may even be more granular and I like how you give different things different ratings then take the average.
Here is mine thats I've used for 12 years now:
1 - The worst books. To me, the trees that were cut down to produce the paper these books were printed on are true martyrs!
2 - Only slightly better than 1's. Waste of time and paper. Not recommended.
3 - Not very good. Boring books. Not recommended.
4 - Below average. Not recommended. Boring, slow or uninteresting content.
5 - Average book. Not a waste of time but probably would not recommend. Slightly interesting.
6 - Slightly better than average. Not a waste of time but probably would only recommend with reservations.
7 - Better than average and almost good enough to consider a favorite book. Somewhat memorable. Would recommend.
8 - The lower tier of what I would consider my favorite books. Very good and memorable. Highly recommend.
9 - Favorite books. Very memorable and very highly recommended. Hard to put down - think about it often when not reading. Only slightly less memorable or exciting than 10's.
10 - My favorite books - The best I have read. Most memorable and very highly recommended. Hard to forget, hard to put down, constantly thinking about the story when not reading - want to get back to it to find out what will happen next. Excellent writing, dialogue and flow. No flaws in these books. Hate to see these books end.
Tenths scale - A ranking of x.x means that the book deserves a ranking better than x but not quite up to par with other books that were ranked y. A 10.5 means that while I consider several previous books to be 10’s, this particular book was even more enjoyable while still meeting the requirements to earn a 10 rating. The best of the best, and rare, as ratings go.
Note on rankings: Rankings are very subjective and these rankings reflect my opinions of the books I have read. Others may disagree or feel differently, but these are my opinions. Some books may be well known classics, but if they did not appeal to me or hold my interest they got a low ranking. This is by no means a ranking of literary prose or writing skills. I would recommend all books with a ranking of 7 or higher and highly recommend all books with a ranking of 8 or higher.
Sweet - as people who have a granular rating system, we love the details of your ratings. The 10.5 (x.x) is really neat too.
Just finished Golden Son and HOLY SHIT!!! now ordering Morning Star. Are books 4-6 still worth reading? Heard the first trilogy can count as the ending
Book 5 is freaking amazing. But yes definitely read on, if you liked the first 3 youre bound to enjoy something in the sequel series as well despite its scope and multiple viewpoints which are very different from the first three books!
@@2ToRamble gotcha thanks mate!
@@mig900 anytime
Just finished golden son five minutes ago, immediately bought morning star. Mouth agape at the ending and more curious than george
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Or the Jackle killing his older brother with his dad's money, dude is cold blooded
WE NEED A MORNING STAR PODCAST/VIDEO
Coming tomorrow 😁😁