Dead Man's Corner - Carentan with the 101st Airborne and 70th Tank Battalion
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- Dead Man's Corner - Carentan with the 101st Airborne and 70th Tank Battalion
With Niels Henkemans
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Our guest today is Niels Henkemans a Dutch historian currently writing about the German Army in the Cotentin in 1944. In today's show we will examine the action that took place around the intersection of roads now called Dead Man's Corner near Carentan, Normandy.
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Thanks everyone for the nice comments and the chat going on in the sidebar. Wish I could have participated, but I was a bit busy ;-)
Niels, thank you for your excellent presentation and research.
Thank for sharing.
I am in the process of painting a model of the house at Deadman's Corner.
This is for a Chain of Command (CoC) scenario.
Your production was inspiring and informative.
Sounds great!
Sobering, the stories behind the photographs is important. To remember the fallen is vital. The veterns of WWII were my neighbors, teachers and relatives. I enjoy your channel very much.
Very informative. Have visited Dead mans corner quite a few time but this gave a new perspective, like being there with expert guides. Will watch again and take notes and screenshots to help plan my next Normandy trip in October (covid willing). The output of WW2TV has always been great but as someone with a Normandy campaign obsession, these live broadcasts have been exceptional.
Niels analysis of photos is impressive as an earlier WW2TV video about a knocked out Stug illustrates ua-cam.com/video/ezjRWbDj2FQ/v-deo.html
Paul can I thank you , Maggs and Niels for a fantastic show. I could not watch it live but finished it just now The content of your shows have been first class. You are so number one when it comes to WWII history.
Thanks Callum
Excellent presentation. Thank you Niels, Paul and Mags
As a veteran myself, and on behalf of my father who went into Europe with Terry Allen's 1st Inf Division, ( The Big Red One) , thank you, (plural) for all your hard work . I watch ALL of your WW2TV videos. All of them.
Thanks for the nice words
Thank you for another excellent episode.
I was lucky enough to visit St.Come du Mont and Dead Man's Corner in 2011.
Niels was such a knowledgeable guest speaker and the photography was fantastic and brought the whole thing to life.
Keep up the amazing work at WW2 TV.
I'm a newcomer to your channel and cannot get enough of these great presentations! I'm watching a couple of these every day and can't get enough. Your superb work and exhaustive research have really inspired me and helped me prepare for an upcoming trip to Normandy next year. Thanks again!
Welcome aboard!
Enjoyed the excellent research done by Niels about this famous crossroad in Normandy. The camera work done by Magali was perfect and appreciated by people such as me who may never get the opportunity to be there in person. I liked the way in which the topographical maps made more sense to me because of it. Lastly there was the human stories so well told here.
Excellent program. Niels, thank you so much for trying to find out for the family. Very honorable endeavor, in addition to the history of this battle. The two casualty reports you had up--dates are easily explained. First report was missing in action; second report was reclassified as killed in action. Great camera work again by Mags thank you!!! Paul you have created something here you should be extremely proud of--well done!!!!
Excellent episode , looking forward to the rest of attrition week .
Thank you, WW2TV.
Great as usual.
Thanks WW2TV!
Another great show from the WW2TV Production Team...living history lessons in your front room!
Niels is always a great addition to the show.. just catching up on this week shows.mapd and live video is fantastic
I always learn something new when I watch your channel .
One of my personal favourites. These shows just get better and better. Thank you to all of you involved in bringing these to the masses
Cracking @WW2TV presentation by @Niels_1944 & Paul, with Mags as the roving camera person out & about at Dead Man's Corner. Well done all, enjoyed that. Been a great week of programmes, thank you for them. Look forward to the rest of them coming up.
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Remembering the fallen and the events of WWII.
Well Done! 👏🏻
outstanding show; the live video stream from Mag really added a depth to today's show, all of which brought to life the events which happened in this area 77 years ago today. Well done.
Excellent program by Niels Henkemans and excellently complimented by the livestream camera work that makes it all very easy to understand.
Brilliant episode. Thank you! Headed back to watch Vierville episode referenced, as my friends great uncle was apparently killed there.
Fantastic show. the best yet.
Ms. Mag does such a wonderful job of the camera work! It adds so much real life video of exact areas from 1944. It adds so much to the overall presentation. This was extremely informative today. Thank you to all.
Fantastic show, done by all three of you! Thank you.
Fascinating and thought provoking presentation, just superb!
What an excellent show! The camera work was excellent & Niels gave an outstanding presentation. A must watch for any students of the Normandy campaign.
the live camera work adds such an excellent dimension to the presentations too - great stuff
Great show! You folks put a lot of effort into this production. Always looking forward to your next upload….
Compelling content and research. Thank you, Nils. I note (along with Martin) that Pvt. Curry's Battle Casualty Report dated June 7 lists "MIA" and the later Report from June 12 states "KIA." I don't think MIA would be used simply because tank 12 was separated early on. Not sure what the significance of this might be, conjecture is all we have. The shipment numbers are different as well. I wonder if Graves and Registration researchers might be able to shed light on these divergent data points.
Looking at the soldier's faces who are closest to the Stuart, I can't help but wonder if the retrieval was occurring when the photo was taken. The grim task would be a one man job inside the tank due to limited space. The jeep is equipped with a trailer. Researching the unit from the stenciled serial/unit numbers might shed light. I also wonder why the soldier with the carbine and binocular case is wearing a great coat in June?
There is a magazine-less Thompson resting on the front of the turret. Likely placed there by someone working inside the tank. This weapon may have been issued to one of the tank crew members who would insert a magazine only when needed due to space being at a premium. If it belonged to someone doing retrieval in the tank at that time, it would have locked, loaded and on safe.
Thanks, Mag and Paul.
I'm not sure what is the issue here? Curry had an MIA status as of 7 June, this was changed to KIA on 12 June. Members of his crew survived and would have been able to provide information for the morning reports. MIA on 7 June is mentioned in those reports. All that seems to be going on is not changing his DOD back to the date he became MIA. This is not uncommon
@@nielshenkemans Thanks, Nils!
Wonderful detail. Thank you all.
Amazing show! My Dad and I took Paul's tour a few year's ago and needless to say it was excellent. Whereas most tours stop at the historical markers only, Paul took us behind many of them into a field to the exact spot where the action actually took place. AMAZING. If you get a chance to get with Paul, I highly recommend it.
Amazing in-depth analysis chaps, massively interesting. I can recommend a visit to the museum / exhibition has been built behind and inside DMC.
Fantastic show.
Love how our Dutch brothers are so confident in their English.
As always another brilliant show, can’t wait for this book Niels!
I witnessed in my own depot in modern 2019 how one story went 20 different directions with 20 staff as there was only 5 actually in position . Not even one bit surprised how A dead man(2 of them ) in a tank tale gets back up through roads to other Units. There wasn't great education levels in the 1930-40's in the Grunts & recruits doesnt help memory recall and passing info on.
Another great production,thank you
Again a very good show! Good presentation and camera work! Enjoyed it!
Normandy looks like a shooting gallery for defenders.my grunt mind sees ambush terrain everywhere.paul you are telling a history that must never be forgotten.i wish you could do more on the pacific.like 50 episode on Guadalcanal alone.you bring the battlefield alive
Very interesting and moving talk x
That was amazing!
Niels really is good and certainly knows his subject. Mags did a really good job with the filming of the locality. The combination of Mags, Niels & Woody made for an excellent episode.
Great episode. Well researched story of Dead Man’s Corner.
Another brilliant show 👍
gotta love that the game brothers in arms basically got how the tank was knocked out right before ppl even agreed on all the details
My grandfather was Capt. Gordon R. Brodie, Commander of D Company of the 70th Tank Battalion at this time. I may have information regarding this story.
Great show. I’ve just returned from Normandy and visited deadman’s.
This is absolutely fascinating! Thanks Paul, Niels and Mag!
- Patrick McCue
Thanks Patrick
Awesome! And I did an extensive tour of Normandy in 2009. Thank You! Job Well Done!
Great show
Great show. Thank you Paul and Thanks Niels and thanks for the on location footage! I love the area around Carentan and the history. Please more about it. I think the battle of the bloody gulch and gully is still to go. Its one of my favourites. Maybe you can do an special on the brothers in arms pc games and Hill 30 in the area etc. :)
I am late to this but I think the tank is were it was hit. The missing front fender guard is crumpled just in front of drivers side track and there doesn’t appear to be any pushed up turf on inside right of both tracks. It also looks like the left track is smouldering a bit. The rubber pads.
Great show - really enjoyed this. I often wondered if tank number 12 was the same tank which Billy Turner was killed upon? I was close with Ed Pepping and Ed seemed convinced it was a Sherman tank that he recovered turner from but I wonder if it's possible that it was in fact tank 12?
Sherman is correct. At the time of the incident (around 16:00) elements of A/746 were supporting1/506 with their Shermans. Stuarts of D/70 came later
@@nielshenkemans Thanks for this info Niels - great work on this new perspective of the events that took place, really interesting.
I can understand why the army sent in M3/M5 Stuart light tanks to replace the M4 Sherman tanks. While the Sherman carried a load out of around 6,000 rounds of .30 caliber and 300-600 rounds for the .50, and had a .75 main gun with HEAT rounds, the little Stuart carried as much.30 machine gun ammo as the Sherman. The M5 .30 load out was something like 5,800 to 6,000 rounds of .30 caliber machine gun ammo while the M4 Sherman load out of .30 caliber was about the same. The "little" .37 main gun on the Stuart also was capable of dealing with the light tanks of the axis powers. This was also an "infantry fight", not a main tank battle in the first two weeks after D-Day.
The Stuarts in Normandy were not to replace Shermans, but to supplement them. More of an armed recce vehicle
Great video document! Thanks for puttning in the effort making this high quality content!
DMC is a very intresting site, been there when i was a kid and ofcourse played through Brothers in Arms:Rth30 a few times. Also made a map in another game of this place a few years ago.
Once again, very thankful for this content I'm going through the series 1 by 1 :)
Great presentation, thank you.
Love this just subscribed 😊
I must say there is apparently much ado about 'hanging bodies' of American servicemen in this sector of the beachhead if you get my meaning. These are interesting stories/legends worthy of telling but they are quite peripheral and unimportant to the overall outcome of the battles here.
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Great show!
Great fantastic show 👍
Great work guys
I’m catching up on many of your broadcasts. Very much enjoyed your program and learning about this spot and battle. My wife and I happened to park by the guardrail across from the display tank on June 5, 2019 and walked the length of Purple Heart Lane to within eyesight of the traffic circle entering Carentan. We watched a college friend jump from a C-47. That video is posted on Google maps and attached to La Barquette. Where is PVT Curry buried? Thanks!
Found it.....Eufaula, AL. I’m less than 2 hours away and would be glad to check on his resting place.
Thanks for watching!
Also if commander was killed and hanging out of the turret and they removed him why did they leave the driver in it? Very difficult to extract bodies. There is a horrible video for the morbid the shows a French crew being extracted from a Sherman turret. If you looked in co-drivers hatch you would see the driver.
Someone familiar with the interior layout of the vehicle such as the Chieftain may be able to shed some light on how the commander may have received his injuries. The head injuries could have resulted from the commander being thrown into the hatch or another part of the vehicle or thrown completely clear and impacting the ground or vehicle exterior. If the vehicle wasn’t repaired and returned to service it may have suffered a small explosion or fire inside. The commanders burned leg may be from this or the behind-the-armour effects of the shaped charge.
The tank may have rolled on some distance after it was hit. This may change your estimate of where the Panzerfaust was fired from.
One thing is certain, these were very brave men.
Fantastic as usual 👍
Amen ,
Its a little bit late now, but I feel confused a little. So Paul said there were MORE Tanks than just the KOd Stuart at the corner?? How come you never hear of that!?
Because two seperate events have become merged into one. The tanks Don Burgett writes about were from a different column than the one including the famous tank
@@WW2TV Thank you Paul :) I will be on my 2nd visit to Normandy. In July and have a look at Gold, Omaha beach and Carentan and the Corner. What do you think about the Stuart at the museum? Shouldnt the number on the hull be yellow? (Would like to build it in 1/35 as accurate as possible) Grüße
Been there it's fantastic had a great experience on a c 47 wow
1🔼70🔼D 12 is the reference number on the underside front of the Stuart and translates as 1st Armoured Div 70 Tank Battalion Dog Company Tank no. 12
Almost, but the first two digits are '1A', which stands for 1st Army. The 70th TB was an independent battalion and did not belong to the 1st Armored Division (which was not in Normandy anyway)
I love the M5A1 they have at the museum but I dont understand why they have the extra armour on the turret since the original had none but an extra mounted .30cal instead
It's an easy mistake to make when people are not armour experts
@@nielshenkemans Do you think the markings are correct? I mean the pin up or what it is. Sadly i cannot find a good picture of it onlone and will be there this summer or next to see it myself.
@@seegurke93 , the tortoise (Joe Peckerwood) is not in the correct style. Proper design can be found on a photo in 'Amored Strike Force'.
1:17:30 oh maaan its a shame you cannot use the picture of the M5A1 no12 at the scrap yeard near La Fiere... I would have loooved to see it for a future model build of the Tank... because the sides and rear is nowhere visible to get all the markings. Also is there still something left of the deep wading kit at the rear or was it all removed?... questions and more questions :D
Unfortunately it is only low resolution and out of focus. Doesn't really add anything to what we already can see elsewhere
@@nielshenkemans thanks Niels! Btw I could not find any way to contact you on other platforms. Do you have a way? I have some Qs :)
Yeah I just rechecked my copy of Burgetts book, WW2 library edition. on page 135 he describes a stuart taking a right turn out the field onto the road towards st come du mont to make time good and get back to friendly lines because he was out of ammo and get reinforcements. Don also writes that they only had the one tank that drove to different locations to give the impression of there being more than just the one stuart. Is he also wrong about this? I mean you say there were multiple stuarts and the description does not fit the dead mans corner M5. So it makes sense that there were more and that Don even had the feeling there were more but he only saw the one and thought because of this that the M5 was moving around when he did not but in fact there were more than one tank?
Also I just checked the "Löwen von Carentan" from Volker Griesser about the action page 107: 3rd Company of the 6 FJR was tasked to defend the corner where an armoured american unit advanced but was halted in concentrated and Panzerfaust fire.
But I guess Don was confused by the action happenning around him and also its some years ago :D just trying to make some sense for myself here :)
We interpret his account as the tank moving up and down the hedgerow bordering the N13 highway. This should mean Don would be able to see it all the time.
Hi Paul, I cannot see the word 'delphia' on the iconic photo at Dead Man's Corner which is mentioned prominently on the landing shot with the afro American troops. Have we now discounted that particular tank from the evidence of identity of the vehicle taken out at Dead Man's Corner?
Another excellent presentation.
There is a name there on the Dead Man's Corner vehicle. It is just too compressed (even on a hires copy of the photo) to be legible
Ahhh..I think I see what you mean now..thank you.
As I understand it there was a tank that burned all that night but it was near Beaumont where the 1st battalion fell back to after this action
Not sure, was that the one that Colonel Turner was with?
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I do not know. But I was just thinking how very confusing things can be in the heat of intense combat. A soldier can be highly alert and thinking clearly during the fight but in recalling the many things that occurred during the event the mind can get jumbled & details get mixed. It's easy to understand how Burgett could've been mistaken about which tank was destroyed & where. However, he said he slept very near the burning tank after they fell back to Beaumont. I'm not clear on the distance between that settlement and St Marie du Mont however.
In Belton Cooper's work & in other sources it seems platoon commanders would sometimes swap over to another tank for different reasons; to carry through with an attack if his tank was out of ammo or fuel, or otherwise disabled, for instance. So conceivable Anderson could have been in a tank other than his assigned one.
@@panthercreek60 , the burning tank was an angle we looked into as we tried to position Don. But we never found a proper answer. It is unlikely though that it was Turner's Sherman which was damaged but not destroyed in the incident. It may instead have been a M5a1 which caught fire, retreated, and was replaced by another one. The troops in the area may have perceived this as the tank returning after the fire was put out. If that was not the case, there are a varied of options, but none are supported by sufficient evidence.
As for Anders, his death is directly linked to Tank 17. He, and Tank 17 appear to have been missing and out of contact with his company since D-Day. This makes the tank swapping scenario pretty much impossible. There is also a potential issue with radios which could make it unlikely for a senior company officer to assume command of a regular M5a1 like Tank 12. Also, there is a known incident in which Anderson may have been killed on 8 June.
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Thank you very much. Good stuff!
YT algorithm has some serious issues. I've made a video about the same topic and it's nowhere in the suggested videos list. It pisses me off to dedicate so much time, energy and money to make a decent short documentary and people cannot find it.
Yep, I get the same problem. I really don't know how the recommendations function works
BTW I watched your video a couple of weeks ago and you have the wrong name for the tanker killed in the M5. It was not Lt Anderson
@@WW2TV Yes I mentioned in the pinned comment that I found sources with different names. Couldn't figure out which one was right.
@@ww2-epicbattles, if you're still interested, the options are explored and explained in
'Armored Strike Force' (Charles C. Roberts Jr.) which was published in 2016. WW2Quarterly published my article covering the same topic last year: pocketmags.com/us/wwii-quarterly-magazine/spring-2020
Walked thhe grouund years ago.
Apologies if I've missed this in the presentation, but is it known at what time exactly the Stuart was knocked out? I've been reading many different accounts on this (as with every detail of the story)
Panzerfaust
@@WW2TV well yes but what time of day?
sorry, misread the post. I'm not sure. Sometime in the afternoon
Aaron D Curry appears to been buried in Eufaula, Alabama!
Yes, that's mentioned in the show: www.findagrave.com/memorial/26650381/aaron-d_-curry
Eufaula, Alabama. Pronounced you- FALL- ah.
Muscogee Indian name
What a silly hat
What a silly comment