These were all cases from the 90's. Forensics has come such a long way since then. I hope we all hear soon that these murderers were caught! Prayers to the families, and for the police in all their efforts!! 💛
I think they said most crime is committed though computers etc. So they stopped the show, I think it’s a poor excuse. Plenty of crime to warrant the show continuing
How heart breaking for Kate's father that he was the one to have found her. Let's hope that more eyes on these cases after all these years may bring some closure.
I was on duty as a police officer in Honiton when Kate Bushell was initially reported as missing. I remember listing to the radio as resources were pulled in from all over Devon to go to Exeter. I also remember exactly where I was when we heard, over the radio, that a body had been found. I'd only been in the police for 4 years at the time. They are still looking for the murderer, who is also suspected as being the same person that murdered Lyn Bryant down in Cornwall, about a year later. Both very very sad cases. Hopefully forensic techniques will improve and the murderer will be identified.
The worst of all acts - hurting someone who cannot defend themselves. Children, vulnerable adults, people who need care & support. What's wrong with the human race?
Not one update or appeal about Nayantara since, nor did she get a reconstruction scene here and it was only a 4 minute segment at that, the other 2 children got 10 minutes each, all very sad 😔
If they 'mattered the same' why was the coverage, media expodure & consistency ALL DIFFERENT - YOURE THE SNOWFLAKE, wi' that desperate need to dismiss concerns around anything that doesn't involve u @@mollyhorse
Quick update on the Darren Fawns case: over the years, three people were arrested and questioned with his murder, but it was decided that there was insufficient evidence to proceed with the prosecution. Two were questioned in 1995 and one in 1997. So it seems that the police have a reasonable idea who did it.
Have they got any DNA on any of these decades old cold cases ?? Because I am very much in favour of the police being able to use the GED match technology the Americans are now using. Let's hope that all the evidence has been properly preserved in these old cases.
Hopefully it should be saved on a database so it matches the person if he ever gets arrested and has dna swabbed, can't say I'm 100% confident it is though!
i think most of the time they know, but do not have the evidence to take it to court, dna swabs only became compulsory on arrest in 2003, so unless they or a family member get arrested they remain scot free. The second case seems so obvious to me.
@@TrueCrimeReport I do not think that her family were involved at all !! I used to go dog walking in Wiltshire at that age . We were all so much more innocent back then.
@@illumindonnaughty they're absolutely notorious for attracting paedophiles. Any place like that where kids gather are targets, for amusements arcades have always been notorious
@@zeddeka Yeah now it's been said it's completely obvious..i think I just hadn't thought about it before as there is none where i live only ever went in them when i was on holiday as a child.
Growing up, all of us (neighborhood kids) were left alone. Our parents worked, so we were left on our own. In a small town like this, there were no worries. So, this is not odd or unheard of at all.
So true i wouldn't leave my child alone in an arcade for 5min let alone all that time am not slaging the mum of its some thing i wouldn't do but the woman now living every day of her life with the guilt of it ... myself having lost a child i know how that feels with out having not knowing where my child is would kill me i pry the family get ancer soon x
Thats heartbreakin these poor children have been murdered and i hope they find the people who are responsible for these shocking crimes and the family get justice and them poor souls can finally rest in peace
Some sobering statistics. Crimes against children, including those of a sexual nature, are committed by the parents in 84% of cases; 96% are perpetrated by friends or relatives. In only 4% of them is the murderer or abductor a total stranger to the victim.
After seeing the Kate Bushall case the sightings of the rough looking guy and the man the rear door of his van open bare a striking similarity to how Robert Black stalked his victims and then abducted them.
Those ladies in the car that passed her and then saw a man at the boot of his van they should’ve turned around ...vans are highly suspicious especially if never seen in the village before...situation awareness
I read they found orange colored fibre threads on Kathy and close to the scene. If the female driver could remember the colors of the blue car owners clothes... Did they notice his clothes? Someone also wrote that the thread could possibly stem from the orange vest of a construction worker...
Kate Bushall, the people that went away, may have let another close person know about Kate walking the dog, and. Maybe that person had a key to the premises and followed Kate , that’s why and where that person seen running afterwards may have been running from Gemma the dogs Ad. I believe it’s worth a look at.
Good thinking, or someone over heard the conversation maybe. I don’t think it was the homeless man, cannot believe he would be there months then do that. Must be cctv from shops or property of vehicles that past by the area, in the days before. No chance it was a random attack.
Sorry Donna I shouldn’t have said no chance. Always a chance, murders are very rarely an opportunist attack. Should have been my point. Sorry about that
The boy could’ve been killed by the kids he was seen leaving with as I think if there was an adult who did this there would’ve been some kind of indecent behaviour involved. Probably was an accident he was struck in the head maybe they wanted to take his trainers of him then got scared and dropped them. I just don’t see any motive for his murder, strangers just don’t go around hitting kids in the head
Those other boys would have been from the camp site,they would have been travlers from the UK,I believe he was invited back ther,(to rob him)trainers ,money,yes,trainers deffo!they was pricey then,not just anyone could aford those,I had a pair that same year,but yes,invited him back,probably fed by the others boys parents?when left,he was hit and robbed of his trainers,(but like you said)they panic the next day,when realize they had killed him,and got rid of the trainers,and then they simply left the camp site that night or next day,remember,these people would have been Irish travellers(pikeys)from the UK even if the parents know,or was involved,they would never had turned in ther own,thats what these folk are like,I have had lots of experience with these people all bad!
The police said they could not rule out a sexual motive. Of course that doesn't rule out the kids as sadly a lot of sexual abuse is one kid abusing another. It's very sad though that Darren was left at an amusement arcade by himself. They'd had a reputation since long before Darren was born, not just for attracting antisocial behaviour and "bad lads" but also for being a magnet for paedophiles.
Isn’t it odd that the father found the poor girl, his daughter? Does he come across as cold to you? In addition to the mother? Sorry if I offend anyone, just my gut feeling!
. @@mollyhorse. I can't with you people. The level of idiocy is staggering to me. I refuse to waste one more second entertaining you. Think what you want.
@@jeanettehinds2605 o plz. How do you no the viewer was not cooking the tea an just had it on in the background. Do you think there is an exam at the end or something. Are questions not allowed. Rather than be a horrible sarcastic k ow it all bitch you could of took that time to explain If you no the answer. Grow up
I think the vagrant’s disappearance from the area after the murder is certainly a suspicious enough issue. The man seen running away from Exwick Lane into the estate during the helicopter search definitely arouses the most suspicion, so if the vagrant had no involvement, maybe he just decided to fuck off from the area after he heard about it so he wouldn’t be suspected. There’s definitely something creepy about the vagrant though, especially when he jumped out in front of the man walking his dog, but I don’t suppose I could condemn him as the murderer just because of his slovenly appearance. Although, did he ever eliminate himself? That I don’t know, it’s all very strange, but the questionable parking of the blue van and the man seen running away after the murder is probably of the most significance.
A vagrant would by nature avoid the police and any criminal would panic at hearing the helicopter, personally I think blue van man tried to kidnap her and she was clever enough to realise it was fight or flight time. I say this because the witnesses seem to suggest he was preparing the back of his van for some reason
i always think of the case in london of the girl walking from the train. her body was found on allotments/waste ground but a tramp type character had deliberately stepped out in front of someone and had been tending a fire of rubbish.
I wouldn't put too much stock in the guy running away. It was quite some time after she went to walk the dog & someone running up the street could be totally unrelated, eye witnesses can exaggerate things too. The timeline doesn't tell me that is likely to be related to the crime, I'd look more at the vagrant & blue car as far more likely suspects . The guy in the blue car should be taken the most seriously, eye witnesses place him in the vicinity at the time of the murder & if their encounter with Kate is anything to go by then it sounds like she was possibly unnerved by something, probably the guy in the blue car just 100 yards or so up the road she'd just passed.
We used to go to the amusement arcades aged about ten to twelve years old. We never thought anything of it and neither did my mum. I think that people were rather poorly informed then……. The same as going to swings to play on our bicycles. Not after dark though and we were not allowed to go to the river alone or talk to strangers.
@@EmmaFentonTunsadly, there's a long record of amusement arcades being very dangerous. Fairgrounds especially so, too. A lot of antisocial behaviour from "bad lads" and sadly paedophiles because they know that's where vulnerable kids congregate, often kids from poor backgrounds who'll do anything for money. Perhaps the most notorious was the "Playland" amusement arcade scandal in London in the 70s. A massive paedophile ring preying on kids. Places like Blackpool still have very serious problems with it now.
Why was there no actual reconstruction for the 2nd case, sorry I can't pronounce her name properly, but with most cases of children, there's normally a reconstruction, just a thought, hope her family get true justice one day for the loss of their daughter, and may her soul rest in perfect peace....
@@TrueCrimeReport hmmm, maybe you could be onto something there, but seeing as they SAY they found the body wrapped in carpet in that disposal place, makes you wonder.....🤔🤔🤔
@@TrueCrimeReport really, it was only 50 yards from her house where her corpse was discovered, I've also read in many religions and traditions etc, without me sounding too "biased or racially biased" but the honour killing theory had now popped up in my mind, and it wouldn't have done unless you told me all the important information that you've kindly done, as it's not very often an Asian/Pakistani young girl/lady goes missing, and ends up dead, especially at that age, but then what would the families gain from carrying out such an atrocity, if they were indeed the culprits involved in such a tragic case, I not long watched that ITV 1 short documentary drama called "Honour" and now it's gotten me thinking.....🤔🤔🤔
@@joshuaedwards4536i agree, sexual abuse is enough to bring dishonor, she was reported missing on the 4th and the body was discovered on the 29th, so she was "kidnapped" keeped for up to 3 weeks then dumped outside her house.
throat cut with an illegal length blade, likely a kitchen knife. track suit bottom pulled down but they never say if sexually assaulted. (rumour, but from more than one source, she was posed with her hair fanned out around her head and some fabric/a scarf tied around one wrist).
You can be absolutely sure that the police would have ruled him out first. The vast majority of crimes like this are committed by family members, and they are the first people the police look at. If they had had any kind of evidence whatsoever to make them suspicious of him they would have grilled him. I think it's probably very safe to say that it was *not* him.
@@MsVanorak Absolutely correct. They all said that nothing like this was ever known to happen in Exeter. Yeah, perhaps that's because other parents weren't allowing their early teen daughters to do this.
Correct. She was only in her early teens for goodness sake. Afterwards, people in the area claimed that nothing like this had ever been known to happen before. OK, well perhaps that's because other parents weren't allowing their early teen kids to go wandering around dark secluded pathways.
having said that i used to roam about in my wellies on dusk and think nothing of it - but if a stranger had pitched a tent randomly in a nearby field we would have been warned and the tent person would have been 'encouraged'' to move on.
. @@Maz-zb9uf Is that the best you can do? That's what you took from. my comment? Listen, there are plenty of cartoons you can go and watch until your comprehension levels reach that of a five-year-old.
The pe kit is interesting. Was it possible the first lesson that day. Had she gone to school in it or some one kept it for memory because he watched her in it. Someone who s not seen he probably broke the ice noticing take that as reference to gain favour confidence with her
WALKING DOWN A LANE ON A WET, GETTING DARK EVENING, EVEN BACK THEN WASN’T SAFE FOR A YOUNG GIRL ON HER OWN. STICK TO MAIN ROADS ALWAYS! VERY SAD THESE MURDERS STILL GO UNSOLVED. KARMA WILL HOPEFULLY CATCH UP WITH THE MONSTERS WHO DID THEM. 🙏🏼
Woooh! At the end, 2 people who wrote anonymous letters...I'd like to know more about this. maybe was the 2 boys he left with. Not disclosing it suggests they ARE suspects even though earlier they said they wasn't.
The ad came across someone else s secret. If he was as outgoing as that. Poss knew the value of a pound, Young lad getting involved with the wrong lads mentioned what he's learned gets talked in to black mail but with some one who you should not of played chess with . Poor kid
Child murderers: Death sentence. There is no other deterrent that even remotely works. Talk to your MP. These cases are on the rise. Why? Because there is no deterrent. Save a child...maybe your own, by the restoration of the death penalty.
Did they investigate the dad I mean it's a bit suss he found her did the family have a flo ( family liason officer) there trained to basically watch the family amd anything suss report or act on it also if there's a search party follow you see where you go if you find body or person etc somethings not right about this
well the parents went for a quick drive around thinking she may just be injured - there aren't that many paths to choose from so they knew more or less where she should be and then his torch picked up the reflection of the dogs eyes.
thats how interested the police was to solve an asian girls disappearance that the lead officer live on crimewatch didnt even know what was written on the missing girls bag,he said( take this) until nick corrected him by showing the bag with (take that). written on it.the uncle was right in the satement he gave about the police investigation
@@Tom-uv7rystop talking rubbish,(older man) they never found the killer because they are racists.if it was a white girl it would be different .make whatever dumb excuses you like.
@@rachelluna7144 grow up they tried their best to solve the white girls case.and didnt even bother to have a reconstruction for the asian.but people like will never accept police are biased
@@Tom-uv7ry mate dont me laugh.ive grown up in uk spending more than 50 years in this great country sad to say some people here are racists.so theres no reason why some of them racists cant join the police .check history and see what black and brown people have had to deal with over the years in the uk
Not to make light of the subject but i cldnt help but be slightly amused at the policeman saying Take This .. when it was acc Take That the pop band when identifying her skl bag !
These lovely children just doing what kids do, buying sweets, walking dogs, playing with mates - it is heartbreaking
These were all cases from the 90's. Forensics has come such a long way since then. I hope we all hear soon
that these murderers were caught!
Prayers to the families, and for the police in all their efforts!! 💛
crime watch isn't on tv anymore though :'(
@@poplova - What difference does that make?
@@poplova It is now apparently they are starting it up again
@@hayleywright2966 source?
@@tyabmohammad6485 it was a news article but not heard anymore since 🤷🏻♀️
I miss crimewatch..should have something else on that's similar.
Good call
Why don't it come on no more ?
I think they said most crime is committed though computers etc. So they stopped the show, I think it’s a poor excuse. Plenty of crime to warrant the show continuing
Yeah Steve then she will probably be added on to the group of these missing people 🙄 lol
A large amount of crime is committed by none-whites these days, and it's deemed politically incorrect to report on it.
These poor poor children. It's just so sad. Their wee lives cut short by disgusting nasty brutes.
And poor parents :(
paedophiles probably...no cure for this type apart from lead poisoning
How heart breaking for Kate's father that he was the one to have found her. Let's hope that more eyes on these cases after all these years may bring some closure.
I was on duty as a police officer in Honiton when Kate Bushell was initially reported as missing. I remember listing to the radio as resources were pulled in from all over Devon to go to Exeter. I also remember exactly where I was when we heard, over the radio, that a body had been found. I'd only been in the police for 4 years at the time. They are still looking for the murderer, who is also suspected as being the same person that murdered Lyn Bryant down in Cornwall, about a year later. Both very very sad cases. Hopefully forensic techniques will improve and the murderer will be identified.
So many people go missing in this country and they never get found so sad.
RIP little ones I'm sure God and the angels are taking care of you 🙏🙏❤❤
No such thing as God.if there was this wouldn't of happened.
@@rolfvaughan4085 I was just about to say the same thing as you then seen you already did,,,,,,, 👍👍👍
@@rolfvaughan4085 there's the devil
Presumably God created a world where child killers can exist? In which case, fuck him
Well they certainly didn't look after them whilst they were alive ffs, lol !!! 😂
So horrible to think there is unconvicted child killers walking among us.
The worst of all acts - hurting someone who cannot defend themselves.
Children, vulnerable adults, people who need care & support.
What's wrong with the human race?
Sadly, it's what governments do all the time, in various illegal wars.
Not one update or appeal about Nayantara since, nor did she get a reconstruction scene here and it was only a 4 minute segment at that, the other 2 children got 10 minutes each, all very sad 😔
And? Prob because there was less information on her! Stop being a snowflake...these 3 kids all mattered the same
@@mollyhorse piss off Karen
@@mollyhorse r u stupid or something. Ur the one getting offended by someones very valid comment, sNoWfLaKe stu mate
If they 'mattered the same' why was the coverage, media expodure & consistency ALL DIFFERENT - YOURE THE SNOWFLAKE, wi' that desperate need to dismiss concerns around anything that doesn't involve u @@mollyhorse
Quick update on the Darren Fawns case: over the years, three people were arrested and questioned with his murder, but it was decided that there was insufficient evidence to proceed with the prosecution. Two were questioned in 1995 and one in 1997. So it seems that the police have a reasonable idea who did it.
Have they got any DNA on any of these decades old cold cases ?? Because I am very much in favour of the police being able to use the GED match technology the Americans are now using.
Let's hope that all the evidence has been properly preserved in these old cases.
Hopefully it should be saved on a database so it matches the person if he ever gets arrested and has dna swabbed, can't say I'm 100% confident it is though!
Thanks for posting this, Scary stuff i hope they find those responsible 👍
i think most of the time they know, but do not have the evidence to take it to court, dna swabs only became compulsory on arrest in 2003, so unless they or a family member get arrested they remain scot free. The second case seems so obvious to me.
@@TrueCrimeReport Who do you think killed the second child. I wonder who killed the 14 year old girl?
@@MultiEve35 lets just say i would be interested to see how the family where eliminated, she was dumped 20 yards from her house.
the first girl had no witnesses or anything the night she died. the stranger hanging around was not seen on the night she was killed. nothing to go on
@@TrueCrimeReport I do not think that her family were involved at all !! I used to go dog walking in Wiltshire at that age . We were all so much more innocent back then.
Am I the only one that finds ALL so-called "Amusement Arcades" "Creepy" at best?
Child magnets.... Always ..... Parents: Take care.
Tbh i hadn't thought about them like that before but now you have pointed it out yes 100%
@@illumindonnaughty they're absolutely notorious for attracting paedophiles. Any place like that where kids gather are targets, for amusements arcades have always been notorious
Amusement arcades are notorious for attracting paedophiles. My heart really sank when it said that poor boy had been at one.
@@zeddeka Yeah now it's been said it's completely obvious..i think I just hadn't thought about it before as there is none where i live only ever went in them when i was on holiday as a child.
@@illumindonnaughty omg butkins madf arghhh
That poor Father finding Kate 😞
💔
the dog staying with her
No parent should say Goodbye to their child, only to think afterwards that it was the last time they would ever speak to them. 💔
@Paul Gretny Ditto. Pure torture for the soul 💯
I agree with you.
13 year old kid on his own at the arcade at 9:30 pm half an hour before meeting his mom...? All alone... ?
Growing up, all of us (neighborhood kids) were left alone. Our parents worked, so we were left on our own.
In a small town like this, there were no worries. So, this is not odd or unheard of at all.
@@crystallotzer5400I hear you, but it seems strange now in 2020
So true i wouldn't leave my child alone in an arcade for 5min let alone all that time am not slaging the mum of its some thing i wouldn't do but the woman now living every day of her life with the guilt of it ... myself having lost a child i know how that feels with out having not knowing where my child is would kill me i pry the family get ancer soon x
9.30 in Northern Ireland in July is still practically daylight
It is still daylight at that time. Its takes till around 11pm 2 finally get dark in the months of june/july
Thats heartbreakin these poor children have been murdered and i hope they find the people who are responsible for these shocking crimes and the family get justice and them poor souls can finally rest in peace
send the sheet and carpet for dna tests,if they still have them,i hope they do
Some sobering statistics. Crimes against children, including those of a sexual nature, are committed by the parents in 84% of cases; 96% are perpetrated by friends or relatives. In only 4% of them is the murderer or abductor a total stranger to the victim.
Yes, you always start with the family and friends, how about that second case.
After seeing the Kate Bushall case the sightings of the rough looking guy and the man the rear door of his van open bare a striking similarity to how Robert Black stalked his victims and then abducted them.
My thoughts exactly.
Those ladies in the car that passed her and then saw a man at the boot of his van they should’ve turned around ...vans are highly suspicious especially if never seen in the village before...situation awareness
I was thinking the same. They will regret for rest of their lives. If they would turned around, the girl could have been saved. Sad.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
@@illumindonnaughty so is natural instinct
I read they found orange colored fibre threads on Kathy and close to the scene. If the female driver could remember the colors of the blue car owners clothes... Did they notice his clothes? Someone also wrote that the thread could possibly stem from the orange vest of a construction worker...
The crimescene and the whole course of events surrounding it are so eerie.
To think someone out there is walking free ??
3 people.
@@TrueCrimeReport Yeah, that's right. A vagrant, a van driver, and a man seen running from the area. All three, never eliminated.
Kate Bushall, the people that went away, may have let another close person know about Kate walking the dog, and. Maybe that person had a key to the premises and followed Kate , that’s why and where that person seen running afterwards may have been running from Gemma the dogs Ad.
I believe it’s worth a look at.
Good thinking, or someone over heard the conversation maybe. I don’t think it was the homeless man, cannot believe he would be there months then do that.
Must be cctv from shops or property of vehicles that past by the area, in the days before. No chance it was a random attack.
@@Peter-ix1ym Of course there is a chance it was a random attack!!
Sorry Donna I shouldn’t have said no chance. Always a chance, murders are very rarely an opportunist attack. Should have been my point. Sorry about that
@@Peter-ix1ym Ah rite yeah i get what you mean. ✌
@@Peter-ix1ym it would be nice for this case to be reopened x
Very sad about them kids
I could be way off, but check where Kate and Gerry were on those days!
So way off make and also slander. I would sue you if I were them.
Will be passing your details on in case they want to contact you in a legal context.
@@kbarnes8953 You go ahead and do that. Do give them my love and let them know the clock is ticking, and the net is tightening.
@@DepakoteMeister haha amen
The boy could’ve been killed by the kids he was seen leaving with as I think if there was an adult who did this there would’ve been some kind of indecent behaviour involved. Probably was an accident he was struck in the head maybe they wanted to take his trainers of him then got scared and dropped them. I just don’t see any motive for his murder, strangers just don’t go around hitting kids in the head
Some reports claim he was sexually assaulted, James Bulger was sexually assaulted.
Those other boys would have been from the camp site,they would have been travlers from the UK,I believe he was invited back ther,(to rob him)trainers ,money,yes,trainers deffo!they was pricey then,not just anyone could aford those,I had a pair that same year,but yes,invited him back,probably fed by the others boys parents?when left,he was hit and robbed of his trainers,(but like you said)they panic the next day,when realize they had killed him,and got rid of the trainers,and then they simply left the camp site that night or next day,remember,these people would have been Irish travellers(pikeys)from the UK even if the parents know,or was involved,they would never had turned in ther own,thats what these folk are like,I have had lots of experience with these people all bad!
The police said they could not rule out a sexual motive. Of course that doesn't rule out the kids as sadly a lot of sexual abuse is one kid abusing another. It's very sad though that Darren was left at an amusement arcade by himself. They'd had a reputation since long before Darren was born, not just for attracting antisocial behaviour and "bad lads" but also for being a magnet for paedophiles.
Isn’t it odd that the father found the poor girl, his daughter? Does he come across as cold to you? In addition to the mother? Sorry if I offend anyone, just my gut feeling!
The case is odd altogether because there doesn't appear to be any motive.
yeah thats why no one cares about your opinion. guy literally found his daughter dead after sitting in his house all day.
I suppose they were still in shock. A lot of people act quite oddly when something like that happens. They go into total denial.
I have very little faith in a detective that doesn't know the pop boy band Take That in the 90s! Take This? Pfffft! Fool lol
Lol.....I agree!
He's not an actor that fluffed his lines....Get real.
I thought the same tho!! Telling ppl to look out for a take this bag!!!ffs!!🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🙈🙈🙈🙀🙀
Them women should have turned back around
In hindsight yes, but not something you would do if you see strangers car
Why no reconstruction on the little Asian girl?
She didn't look asian to me ...she looked like a muslim kid.Are you being pathetica and all PC?
. @@mollyhorse. I can't with you people. The level of idiocy is staggering to me. I refuse to waste one more second entertaining you. Think what you want.
@@jeanettehinds2605 what you on about
@@justcallfrank0089If you watched and paid attention, you would know.
@@jeanettehinds2605 o plz. How do you no the viewer was not cooking the tea an just had it on in the background. Do you think there is an exam at the end or something. Are questions not allowed. Rather than be a horrible sarcastic k ow it all bitch you could of took that time to explain If you no the answer. Grow up
I think the vagrant’s disappearance from the area after the murder is certainly a suspicious enough issue. The man seen running away from Exwick Lane into the estate during the helicopter search definitely arouses the most suspicion, so if the vagrant had no involvement, maybe he just decided to fuck off from the area after he heard about it so he wouldn’t be suspected. There’s definitely something creepy about the vagrant though, especially when he jumped out in front of the man walking his dog, but I don’t suppose I could condemn him as the murderer just because of his slovenly appearance. Although, did he ever eliminate himself? That I don’t know, it’s all very strange, but the questionable parking of the blue van and the man seen running away after the murder is probably of the most significance.
A vagrant would by nature avoid the police and any criminal would panic at hearing the helicopter, personally I think blue van man tried to kidnap her and she was clever enough to realise it was fight or flight time. I say this because the witnesses seem to suggest he was preparing the back of his van for some reason
@@robdean704 Yeah, I'll take that Rob. Again, what you've suggested there is very logical.
i always think of the case in london of the girl walking from the train. her body was found on allotments/waste ground but a tramp type character had deliberately stepped out in front of someone and had been tending a fire of rubbish.
I wouldn't put too much stock in the guy running away. It was quite some time after she went to walk the dog & someone running up the street could be totally unrelated, eye witnesses can exaggerate things too. The timeline doesn't tell me that is likely to be related to the crime, I'd look more at the vagrant & blue car as far more likely suspects . The guy in the blue car should be taken the most seriously, eye witnesses place him in the vicinity at the time of the murder & if their encounter with Kate is anything to go by then it sounds like she was possibly unnerved by something, probably the guy in the blue car just 100 yards or so up the road she'd just passed.
No words !! 💔
@Paul Gretny I hear ya!!
How come so many murders go unsolved??
Most of the times i believe the police have a main suspect , but do not have the evidence to take it to court.
@@TrueCrimeReport so how evidence is need to get a suspect convicted
Take this. No wonder they not caught him
Why oh why do parents think it's ok to leave their children in amusement arcades nonces playground
We used to go to the amusement arcades aged about ten to twelve years old. We never thought anything of it and neither did my mum. I think that people were rather poorly informed then……. The same as going to swings to play on our bicycles. Not after dark though and we were not allowed to go to the river alone or talk to strangers.
@@EmmaFentonTunsadly, there's a long record of amusement arcades being very dangerous. Fairgrounds especially so, too. A lot of antisocial behaviour from "bad lads" and sadly paedophiles because they know that's where vulnerable kids congregate, often kids from poor backgrounds who'll do anything for money. Perhaps the most notorious was the "Playland" amusement arcade scandal in London in the 70s. A massive paedophile ring preying on kids. Places like Blackpool still have very serious problems with it now.
She was probably meeting a bloke what flattered her got out of hand she didn't want it to go that far possibly. Definitely someone knows summat.
Hope they catch the killers soon for the families to have closure may they all rest in peace
Why was there no actual reconstruction for the 2nd case, sorry I can't pronounce her name properly, but with most cases of children, there's normally a reconstruction, just a thought, hope her family get true justice one day for the loss of their daughter, and may her soul rest in perfect peace....
Maybe because there is no evidence that she actually left the house
@@TrueCrimeReport hmmm, maybe you could be onto something there, but seeing as they SAY they found the body wrapped in carpet in that disposal place, makes you wonder.....🤔🤔🤔
@@joshuaedwards4536 50 yards from her house.
@@TrueCrimeReport really, it was only 50 yards from her house where her corpse was discovered, I've also read in many religions and traditions etc, without me sounding too "biased or racially biased" but the honour killing theory had now popped up in my mind, and it wouldn't have done unless you told me all the important information that you've kindly done, as it's not very often an Asian/Pakistani young girl/lady goes missing, and ends up dead, especially at that age, but then what would the families gain from carrying out such an atrocity, if they were indeed the culprits involved in such a tragic case, I not long watched that ITV 1 short documentary drama called "Honour" and now it's gotten me thinking.....🤔🤔🤔
@@joshuaedwards4536i agree, sexual abuse is enough to bring dishonor, she was reported missing on the 4th and the body was discovered on the 29th, so she was "kidnapped" keeped for up to 3 weeks then dumped outside her house.
Literally gave the shirt off his own back.
Why don’t they mention how Kate was killed?
Probably never released exact cause of death police normally keep this quite for process of elimination later when they have suspects
She had her throat cut
throat cut with an illegal length blade, likely a kitchen knife. track suit bottom pulled down but they never say if sexually assaulted. (rumour, but from more than one source, she was posed with her hair fanned out around her head and some fabric/a scarf tied around one wrist).
Yeah i miss crimewatch it was the only way i could see my dad as face book wasnt a thing😂😂
this was just heart breaking to watch i hope with how dna detecting has evolved theses people who done theses crimes will be caught
Anyone else get an uneasy feeling about the first girls father? Strange that he found her too or maybe Im too suspicious after too much true crime 😩
You can be absolutely sure that the police would have ruled him out first. The vast majority of crimes like this are committed by family members, and they are the first people the police look at. If they had had any kind of evidence whatsoever to make them suspicious of him they would have grilled him. I think it's probably very safe to say that it was *not* him.
omg I did straight away
Both parents as well…
Was it wise to get your teenage daughter to walk a neighbours dog alone in the dark in winter ?
should have stayed in the lit areas or gone earlier.
@@MsVanorak Absolutely correct. They all said that nothing like this was ever known to happen in Exeter. Yeah, perhaps that's because other parents weren't allowing their early teen daughters to do this.
Correct. She was only in her early teens for goodness sake. Afterwards, people in the area claimed that nothing like this had ever been known to happen before. OK, well perhaps that's because other parents weren't allowing their early teen kids to go wandering around dark secluded pathways.
having said that i used to roam about in my wellies on dusk and think nothing of it - but if a stranger had pitched a tent randomly in a nearby field we would have been warned and the tent person would have been 'encouraged'' to move on.
the guy in charge of the second investigation. how could you make that mistake. "take this" instead of take that
So many sickos on this planet.... I'll be first to move to mars.
dick Sinormose I'll be second!
@@MissOrchid12 let's go lady... Am male so we'll need to populate it 😆😉😘.
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TAKE THIS" lmao that detective is so dry and that proved it lmao. great man tho
He was being serious
He simply made a mistake
🤣🤣🤣😭 He said “Take This”
What is it with teenagers and dark lonely places?
So now we victim blaming?
. @@Maz-zb9uf Is that the best you can do? That's what you took from. my comment? Listen, there are plenty of cartoons you can go and watch until your comprehension levels reach that of a five-year-old.
@@jeanettehinds2605 ermm Judging from your comment I was presume that what you meant . I apologise if I was wrong.
@@Maz-zb9uf. Oh well. Perhaps in the future, you should look before you leap.
@@jeanettehinds2605 no I am entitled to my opinion just for say no i was wrong let me explain there no need to be rude about it .
The pe kit is interesting. Was it possible the first lesson that day. Had she gone to school in it or some one kept it for memory because he watched her in it. Someone who s not seen he probably broke the ice noticing take that as reference to gain favour confidence with her
A van driver just like smelly Bob .
dw hell b caught x
You could connect all the times sertain murderer's have been on crimewatch peter tobin has been on at least five different reconstructions
Crazy, Robert Napper was on at least 3 maybe 4 , John Duffy 4.
@@TrueCrimeReport there was a murderer from Pembrokeshire who killed with shotgun couples. John Cooper the bullsey murderer.
Yes i know the cases ,his crimes were on crimewatch 3 times, twice for murder and once for robbery and assault i think.
@@TrueCrimeReport i didn't know about the assolte
POP GROUP "TAKE THIS" THAT MADE ME GIGGLE. @15.13
William Afton died at 1994 so I’m guessing it was him
Did you see that dark place this 14 year old child was on? And please don't say "it was a different time"
WALKING DOWN A LANE ON A WET, GETTING DARK EVENING, EVEN BACK THEN WASN’T SAFE FOR A YOUNG GIRL ON HER OWN. STICK TO MAIN ROADS ALWAYS!
VERY SAD THESE MURDERS STILL GO UNSOLVED.
KARMA WILL HOPEFULLY CATCH UP WITH THE MONSTERS WHO DID THEM. 🙏🏼
Woooh! At the end, 2 people who wrote anonymous letters...I'd like to know more about this. maybe was the 2 boys he left with. Not disclosing it suggests they ARE suspects even though earlier they said they wasn't.
i can not find any letters online.
Makes you wonder if some traveller kids bashed darren.
As travellers are from southern Ireland I very much doubt it you plum
There are travellers in the the North too, ye eejit lol I live in the North of Ireland
Does anyone know of this evil was caught?
"The pop group Take This"😆😆😆😆
Grow up.
Why are you laughing its seem so insensitive
Backstreet Lads were also very popular at the time
Rip angels
The ad came across someone else s secret. If he was as outgoing as that. Poss knew the value of a pound, Young lad getting involved with the wrong lads mentioned what he's learned gets talked in to black mail but with some one who you should not of played chess with . Poor kid
Why didn't the two women stop
Child murderers: Death sentence.
There is no other deterrent that even remotely works.
Talk to your MP.
These cases are on the rise.
Why? Because there is no deterrent.
Save a child...maybe your own, by the restoration of the death penalty.
Because nobody ever killed a child before the death penalty was abolished, did they? The death penalty doesn't work. It's not a deterrent.
@@zeddeka Exactly. Otherwise countries with the death penalty would be crime free. Most perpetrators don't ever imagine they will be caught.
That valance sheet is not so unusual at all even for the times. and then the detectives mistake about the band Take this???? He's not very good is he.
It was an Asian area she lived in.
Did they investigate the dad I mean it's a bit suss he found her did the family have a flo ( family liason officer) there trained to basically watch the family amd anything suss report or act on it also if there's a search party follow you see where you go if you find body or person etc somethings not right about this
well the parents went for a quick drive around thinking she may just be injured - there aren't that many paths to choose from so they knew more or less where she should be and then his torch picked up the reflection of the dogs eyes.
My daughter got hurt i wud be doing murders myself
Some one knows something
take this
Anonymous letter's kids. Guilty conscience some one knows
i can not seem to find any info on the letters
thats how interested the police was to solve an asian girls disappearance that the lead officer live on crimewatch didnt even know what was written on the missing girls bag,he said( take this) until nick corrected him by showing the bag with (take that). written on it.the uncle was right in the satement he gave about the police investigation
@@Tom-uv7rystop talking rubbish,(older man) they never found the killer because they are racists.if it was a white girl it would be different .make whatever dumb excuses you like.
And yet the first girl is white and wasn’t solved- jeez it’s nothing to do with race
@@rachelluna7144 grow up they tried their best to solve the white girls case.and didnt even bother to have a reconstruction for the asian.but people like will never accept police are biased
@@sami-zc1nl sami its in your head why can't it be bad policing rather than racism
@@Tom-uv7ry mate dont me laugh.ive grown up in uk spending more than 50 years in this great country sad to say some people here are racists.so theres no reason why some of them racists cant join the police .check history and see what black and brown people have had to deal with over the years in the uk
this nick ross is giving me weirdo vibes
Check out what he said about viewing paedophilia online.. u will for sure get more than wierdo vibes 😡🤬😯
Really? I rather like the cut of his gib
Maybe speak to your doctor about it?
Take This 😂
Not to make light of the subject but i cldnt help but be slightly amused at the policeman saying Take This .. when it was acc Take That the pop band when identifying her skl bag !
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