I'm a professional in underwater mining with over 25 years of experience. That hole is more than dangerous. They don't have any idear how to make a save one from the beginning.
hi professional in underwater mining with over 25 years of experience. That hole is more than dangerous. They don't have any idear how to make a save one from the beginning. im dad
Hi Im a professional in underwater mining with over 25 years of experience. That hole is more than dangerous. They don’t have any IDEAR how to make a SAVE on from the beginning.
I've spent about 40 hours dredging (I have a 4" dredge) before the California dredging ban hit. I've worked around sketchy boulders that I'm under-cutting. The diver is absolutely right - that hole is not safe. Big boulders sticking partially out of a hard-pack wall with a 14' tall face - very scary! That dig could collapse or even just a boulder dislodge from the face and then you'd be pinned under a boulder and under water. They need to widen the hole and/or slide over to a solid rock face on the side of the creek and work their way back to the bottom to get a stable hole. Punching straight to bedrock like that just isn't safe. Looks like maybe an 8' dredge. Normally with that size dredge; you can work an 8' deep face and maybe progress 4-6 feet per day forward across a 8' wide working face. Shouldn't take but a couple of days to widen the hole and work their way back down to depth. Better to take a couple of days more and be safe.
@@BigV424 There is still a lot of gold in California rivers and of course mountains buried in deep sediments under the Central Valley where small river dredges haven't gotten to them in the last 40 years (which is still quite a bit!) As to the dredge ban - as far as the California Legislature is concerned (totally beholden to the Sierra Club) mining in any form is raping mother Gaea - thus verbotten! Straining for a reason to ban in-river dredging, the California Water Quality Board used ONE study that indicated dredging might stir up mercury remaining in streams left over from mercury spilled in the 1890-1910 gold mining period while simultaneously ignoring the fact that river dredges remove 98% of mercury (and all the lead!) encountered by the dredge - thus removing it from the environment permanently. Also ignored was that ONE good winter storm can scour a gold-country stream down to bedrock and seasonally more riverbed is moved naturally by storm water than all the dredges that were ever operated could move in 30 years. But... logic and science gets no traction when politicians can say "Look! I did something that emotionally prevents the RAPE OF MOTHER GAEA... Praise me!" So, for the foreseeable future gold mining in California is limited to "Hands and Pans". The flip side is that there are quite a few in-river mining claims selling cheap or abandoned ready for re-claiming if you are willing to pay the property tax.
@@leighganschow5652 so fascinating! Thanks for taking the time to respond, I truly appreciate it. Are there heavy fines for people using dredges? I sometimes hike in the mountains and see people with machines and pans and all sorts of gear. Also, regarding your last thing about abandoned mines that can still be bought--how do you look into those? I probably will not be able to afford it, but it truly is fascinating to think about all the adventures and gold that is still lying in California rivers. Thanks again for responding and providing the knowledge, all of this is so interesting to me.
@@BigV424 Yes there are heavy fines plus confiscation of your equipment if you get caught. Initially, there were some miners and claim owners that banded together and appealed the fines/confiscation up through the court system (because the whole dredging ban is a clear violation mining laws that extend back to the 1800s). The miners appealed their case up through the California Supreme Court that basically said "We don't care about federal mining law or science: We will do what we want to in California" The US Supreme Court declined to take the case when it was appealed to the supreme court. Of Course the Obama DOJ was supporting the environmentalist in California... and when Trump won we thought the DOJ would change position; but as you might suspect, the change in administration didn't really affect any change at DOJ... so no help from Republicans for the dredgers or claim owners in California. Oregon followed suit after California banned dredging ('cause Oregon is no longer Oregon - now Oregon is not logging, mining, fishing anymore... it's social justice hell ecotopia run by Portland and the hinterland folks who depend on extraction industries just have to suffer as Oregon has become California-North due to ex-Californian's fleeing California and bringing their failed politics to Oregon). I haven't been able to use my dredge for 10 years now... and I'm figuring that I will sell it in the next month or so into Washington, Idaho, or Colorado where you can still dredge. Oh... not only did California ban dredging but also banned high-banking because no "suction devices" or pumps are allowed to be used within a couple hundred feet of rivers - even though the water is returned to river... so my highbanker is useless in CA as well.
Leigh Ganschow interesting info I have no idea how profitable the gold business is, on average, how much percentage of the money you made from the gold did you keep?
There's prescriptions specifically for phobia/ptsd/panic-attacks: but the bodies response to being suffocated, drowned, crushed, buried, smothered, or swallowed is a reasonable apprehension; without an educated evaluation of threat, the brains risk/reward drive is a liability.
That diver is alive because he had the sense to realize how dangerous that hole is. It would take a week to dig his body out if it collapsed in on him and even Fred finally realized it was too dangerous. It would make more sense to fly a bucket excavator into the creek and dig out all the over burden. Either way, there better be gold bars at the bottom to pay for all of this- and we all know, there isn’t.
If Todd were running this crew he would have tried to shame the driver into doing it . First words would have been what are you too scared to do it . We need somone who is not scared to do this
Not that long actually. A good annual flood will scour most creeks down to bedrock in a lot of places. That's why you find most of the gold right at the bottom on bedrock and in bedrock cracks/crevices. Gold that's been deposited 10s of Thousand and millions of years ago will be in dry placer deposits far from the active river or higher on the river banks in former river banks that have been left high-and-dry by river erosion working the river down through bedrock deposits. Here in California there are deposits of multi-million year old gold deposited during the Triassic and Jurassic when rivers in California flowed North-South instead of the East-West of today. These ancient placer deposits are some of the deposits there were hydraulic mined and as you might expect - these ancient deposits are ROCK HARD so quite challenging to mine and process. Sometimes during the gold rush these ancient deposits were mined much like a hard-rock mine - with the intension that the miners would dig down to the ancient bedrock of the river and follow the gold along the ancient riverbed - this is called drift-mining and THOUSANDs of abandoned drift mines dot the foothills of California still today (don't fall into the hole when you are out hiking!)
I'm a professional in underwater mining with over 25 years of experience. That hole is more than dangerous. They don't have any idear how to make a save one from the beginning.
hi professional in underwater mining with over 25 years of experience. That hole is more than dangerous. They don't have any idear how to make a save one from the beginning. im dad
Hi Im a professional in underwater mining with over 25 years of experience. That hole is more than dangerous. They don’t have any IDEAR how to make a SAVE on from the beginning.
Whats the most important danger? That a big rock could come tumbling down and crush them in the hole?
Should have started a UA-cam channel
@@BigV424 lack of air in a water environment
I've spent about 40 hours dredging (I have a 4" dredge) before the California dredging ban hit. I've worked around sketchy boulders that I'm under-cutting. The diver is absolutely right - that hole is not safe. Big boulders sticking partially out of a hard-pack wall with a 14' tall face - very scary! That dig could collapse or even just a boulder dislodge from the face and then you'd be pinned under a boulder and under water. They need to widen the hole and/or slide over to a solid rock face on the side of the creek and work their way back to the bottom to get a stable hole. Punching straight to bedrock like that just isn't safe. Looks like maybe an 8' dredge. Normally with that size dredge; you can work an 8' deep face and maybe progress 4-6 feet per day forward across a 8' wide working face. Shouldn't take but a couple of days to widen the hole and work their way back down to depth. Better to take a couple of days more and be safe.
Thats interesting that California banned dredging. What is your opinion on the matter? Is there still a lot of unclaimed gold in California?
@@BigV424 There is still a lot of gold in California rivers and of course mountains buried in deep sediments under the Central Valley where small river dredges haven't gotten to them in the last 40 years (which is still quite a bit!) As to the dredge ban - as far as the California Legislature is concerned (totally beholden to the Sierra Club) mining in any form is raping mother Gaea - thus verbotten! Straining for a reason to ban in-river dredging, the California Water Quality Board used ONE study that indicated dredging might stir up mercury remaining in streams left over from mercury spilled in the 1890-1910 gold mining period while simultaneously ignoring the fact that river dredges remove 98% of mercury (and all the lead!) encountered by the dredge - thus removing it from the environment permanently. Also ignored was that ONE good winter storm can scour a gold-country stream down to bedrock and seasonally more riverbed is moved naturally by storm water than all the dredges that were ever operated could move in 30 years. But... logic and science gets no traction when politicians can say "Look! I did something that emotionally prevents the RAPE OF MOTHER GAEA... Praise me!" So, for the foreseeable future gold mining in California is limited to "Hands and Pans". The flip side is that there are quite a few in-river mining claims selling cheap or abandoned ready for re-claiming if you are willing to pay the property tax.
@@leighganschow5652 so fascinating! Thanks for taking the time to respond, I truly appreciate it. Are there heavy fines for people using dredges? I sometimes hike in the mountains and see people with machines and pans and all sorts of gear. Also, regarding your last thing about abandoned mines that can still be bought--how do you look into those? I probably will not be able to afford it, but it truly is fascinating to think about all the adventures and gold that is still lying in California rivers. Thanks again for responding and providing the knowledge, all of this is so interesting to me.
@@BigV424 Yes there are heavy fines plus confiscation of your equipment if you get caught. Initially, there were some miners and claim owners that banded together and appealed the fines/confiscation up through the court system (because the whole dredging ban is a clear violation mining laws that extend back to the 1800s). The miners appealed their case up through the California Supreme Court that basically said "We don't care about federal mining law or science: We will do what we want to in California" The US Supreme Court declined to take the case when it was appealed to the supreme court. Of Course the Obama DOJ was supporting the environmentalist in California... and when Trump won we thought the DOJ would change position; but as you might suspect, the change in administration didn't really affect any change at DOJ... so no help from Republicans for the dredgers or claim owners in California. Oregon followed suit after California banned dredging ('cause Oregon is no longer Oregon - now Oregon is not logging, mining, fishing anymore... it's social justice hell ecotopia run by Portland and the hinterland folks who depend on extraction industries just have to suffer as Oregon has become California-North due to ex-Californian's fleeing California and bringing their failed politics to Oregon). I haven't been able to use my dredge for 10 years now... and I'm figuring that I will sell it in the next month or so into Washington, Idaho, or Colorado where you can still dredge. Oh... not only did California ban dredging but also banned high-banking because no "suction devices" or pumps are allowed to be used within a couple hundred feet of rivers - even though the water is returned to river... so my highbanker is useless in CA as well.
Leigh Ganschow interesting info I have no idea how profitable the gold business is, on average, how much percentage of the money you made from the gold did you keep?
Never done it but don't blame him, Fred handled it right.
Panic attacks are very scary.
You gotta have nerves of steel to face such imminent danger and keep your cool
do u mean balls of steel
I generally think Fred is a fool, but I think he handled the diver well.
There's prescriptions specifically for phobia/ptsd/panic-attacks: but the bodies response to being suffocated, drowned, crushed, buried, smothered, or swallowed is a reasonable apprehension; without an educated evaluation of threat, the brains risk/reward drive is a liability.
Imagine going for a hike and coming across this
Lmfao, just turn around
Wait I’m confused coming across what
You’d be asked to leave since you’re on someone’s claim. Nicely or not depends on the claim owner.
I don't think there's anything "irrational" about fearing being in those kind of situations...
Vcs poderian passar essa série o dia inteiro q eu não me cansaria de assistir 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👍👍
That diver is alive because he had the sense to realize how dangerous that hole is. It would take a week to dig his body out if it collapsed in on him and even Fred finally realized it was too dangerous. It would make more sense to fly a bucket excavator into the creek and dig out all the over burden. Either way, there better be gold bars at the bottom to pay for all of this- and we all know, there isn’t.
Reminds me of the Hoffmans getting excited over crumbs and tapping helmets .
I'm a divemaster and would love to dive for gold like this
If Todd were running this crew he would have tried to shame the driver into doing it . First words would have been what are you too scared to do it . We need somone who is not scared to do this
Where do u find these quiters u got to want it.75 yr old man doin all the work.hell I'd get in that hole
The person he talking to not answering back fast enough
Glad he quit .. not worth losing your life over gold
I wanna do this kind of work so bad, how do i get into it
become a diver & dig a hole
Wonder how many millions of years that gold has been down there since seeing the light of day.
Not that long actually. A good annual flood will scour most creeks down to bedrock in a lot of places. That's why you find most of the gold right at the bottom on bedrock and in bedrock cracks/crevices. Gold that's been deposited 10s of Thousand and millions of years ago will be in dry placer deposits far from the active river or higher on the river banks in former river banks that have been left high-and-dry by river erosion working the river down through bedrock deposits. Here in California there are deposits of multi-million year old gold deposited during the Triassic and Jurassic when rivers in California flowed North-South instead of the East-West of today. These ancient placer deposits are some of the deposits there were hydraulic mined and as you might expect - these ancient deposits are ROCK HARD so quite challenging to mine and process. Sometimes during the gold rush these ancient deposits were mined much like a hard-rock mine - with the intension that the miners would dig down to the ancient bedrock of the river and follow the gold along the ancient riverbed - this is called drift-mining and THOUSANDs of abandoned drift mines dot the foothills of California still today (don't fall into the hole when you are out hiking!)
Scary situation
Why does Fred love these big deep dangerous holes?
McDonald's pays more than these gold miners.
Cool old man.
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B:bruh
G:good video
I completely understand it's as dangerous a job you could do. But you know what you sighed up for being a white water diver.
just dredge the sides.......get rid of all that overburden....
I'll go diving and dredging for gold
Pioneer Pauly can help you out!
I would go down if I get 10%.
Fly me out there and I'll get every last piece of gold for you lol, I'll spend hours down there 🤣
If you need someone to dive I’m your man
I’ll come right now and do it. I’m open water certified. Let’s go boys lol
I'm a divemaster and I'd do this!
Olha só essa bateia é insano.
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Is jason statham narrating?
no?
Rapture of the church is imminent!
God commands all people everywhere to repent!
Please repent and believe in the Gospel. God bless you.
Pray in private please.
Fake everyone knows you can’t break bedrock unless you in creative
FU
I’m not a believer.
First
GIT GUD son and stop moaning
3rd