This is excellent news for new players since they'll never get the opportunity to do all the feats anyway. The chances of finding a raid/alert group that knows how to do feats is damn near impossible unless you're grandfathered into an OG league or something.
Telling people to be suboptimal and just pay to win is excellent news? Nah. We don't need more new players that just buy stats and can't play for shit. Do you realize how big 11% is in a number based rng system? It's gigantic. It's like saying oh I'm not gonna wear some gear at all.
Thats one of the reasons why I stop playing when feats became attached to time capsules. I started noticing the guys with the most money we’re getting skill points and the gaps between players who didn’t have it in their skill points. I’ve never came back because of the massive difference in skill points between where I was an endgame players. But now that I know that it’s not that big of a deal and it’s all around artifacts, I might be enticed to come back and start playing again yes it’s not fair to those who have grind it out to get these feats. Honestly, DC should just get rid of skill points altogether.
great testing as always, and totally agree you only need about 170 for your role and you will be ok as all you really need is that 100 in primary for the 10% and the 60 for the crits, and you're good.. heck that's how most of us hybrid build, by throwing 100 in what ever other stats we need for that 10% and most of the time that's all the extra you need to make it more viable the state of the game is sad were those arts are so essential now. giving us alternate ways to play is nice but the fact that they are almost required now just bugs me
@@kaymanii00 your biggest stat boost from SP is still going to come from getting at least 100 into resto and the 60 in healing crit and crit magnitude. you can be a little under geared as a healer and still do fairly well. but gear is the largest stat gain but with sp at least get to that 170 mark or 190 as its also helpful to dump 20 in dom for shields as 20 is the sweet spot of max gain for the least amount of SP
Yeooo that's crazy. Thanks for this video. As for a DPS it's not that serious to go crazy on skill points. I'm legit speech-less..... All that work for skill points and just to have it not mean as such as it did before. Kind of sad. As for a controller, tank and healer it probably of course helps. But this is wild for a dps. Anyhow thanks for clearing this up.
I am new and I met someone who basically told me the same thing and I didn’t want to believe him until I checked for myself and I am glad I did because I was about to start wasting time grinding skill points. Thank you very much!
He's stating a very wrong opinion. 11% loss is huge in any mmorpg. He's almost always giving bad advice and he prone believe it vecayse they haven't actually tested themselves anything he says against other avenues.
ive said that skill points are for special roles i.e battle tank, buff troll, etc... Or dps comping (which i am not a fan of but to each their own). Sp's also help to use less armories. And your absolutely right about prec and health. Good video. New players needed to understand this.
I think sp for dps could matter more if they changed the crit chance and crit damage traits to further increase those stats. If players could push their crit chance to lets say 70% with 500-600ish sp or more or a dph build increasing their crit damage it would feel like the skill point you gained are more impactful to dps roles.
Thanks for all the testing as normal, I am just coming back and you make a small update video for water DPS/healing rotation,arts. Just looking for something more current. Thanks
This is good for my alt account. Why I have an alt account? I got problems…lol! But there’s no way I have the time to acquire the SP I currently have on my PS account on my PC account. I have a day job, a social life, and responsibilities. Lol! As always, good info. Your spreadsheets are real and useful data.
I recently restarted as I was on PS and now on PC. My electricity DPS is keeping up, and sometimes out performing, other DPS that have more SP and even more points in their arts and augs. There's also a little bit of luck and reaction that goes into it. If you're not getting smoked by stuns and boxed, or you can breakout almost instantly and start your rotation up, then you can keep up with people a bit better than may not be as fast or paying attention as much. A lot of small factors can contribute to DPS.
1 thing i noticed is with the might and power stat if you have nothing in it you run out of power a lot more than if you have that stat maxed or close to maxed.
Interesting video. I had tried to start a character on another server. Looking at the amount of skill points now and how much people are requiring to run content with them now and the state of the game it's really hard on new players. With the stat squish and small community, getting into lower raids is easier, but actually getting feats from them is very difficult/nigh impossible unless you have a set group to run with...but good luck finding that. It would take months/years to catch up to end game players which puts a lot of players off. Making feats easier to get and more impactful would help the community as a whole, but at the moment, buying artefacts is one of the only option available to get close. :(
Feats should be easier to get without a Stat Clamp...allowing easier 'solo' feat collecting in older content. Devs definitely went the other way there ...
Same as well. I attempted to make a new toon & looking at the current skill points & feats needed, it would take ages and might scare new players to get in the game since almost all the older content is dead or fully ignored
sp's is such a slow grind it just burns me out. that plus idc to do elite's and i would like to someday but alot of ppl gate them out to higher sp people. they need to do somthing with sp's more than artifacts
I would advocate more for SP if some of them weren't behind a paywall. Not every active player is an active member but they put in their time still. I think people should just come up however they want and stop being toxic lol.
This is why I'm honestly an advocate for nerfing arts or at least the % buff it gives you. It makes those that spent hours. Days. Years grinding for sp kinda pointless. Yeah I know it's un popular but I'd like my hard work and others to be rewarded not just have someone be able to pay for what I worked hard to get to achieve.
@@troylawson1902 okay so a new player can pay for arts and be just as good as dpsing but not as good as a support role.. still the fact that they can be as good at anything as someone that has spent years grinding is sad. If they want to keep the buff arts give that's fine. Just make the value of sp more.
10% drop on damage is way too much when you are doing solo content or running with weak people, something that happens a lot on random alerts, i recently respected my characters because i bought loadouts so i can have pure dps and pure role, and the difference is abysmal, and i am the kind of player who gives sp to health dom and rest even on dps because i do tons of solo content and need to survive whitout any healer, so i can see the numbers, but in practice is a different story. To put it on perspective, My main does the higest damage but has heat vission on 140 and the other 2 arts on 120, my alt has all the arts on 80 buti bought replay badges to grab the sp points i farmed on my main and has about 20 to 30% less damage than my main. One thing i totally agree is that chasing SP only is stupid, a dude asked in the forums how many SP needed, and i told him that Stats are really the number to watch and that stats can be obtained by several sources, so on that i do agree with you, get the SP you can whitout being obsess with feats, and use the other sources, arts, augs, allys, to compensate, i mean that is the real meaning of a balanced character, something that use many sources in order to get the level, not just one.
ObsidianChillDCUO work damn hard to give us all those stats meanwhile all other just report the latest news that everyone can read in 2 sec when open client...
Thank you so much. I am new, about 3wks. Did the skip. Trying to do feats on episodes and I keep hitting brick walls. They have removed the ability to do needed content unless you get lucky in omnibus.
Man i havent played since 2017, whenever starro was originally launched, but tbh last raid i remember running when it was new day 1 was Unholy Matramony, played from late 2012 until whenever UM dropped because basically SP didnt matter back then, i left with like 320-370sp i think, i think 400-415 was max SP max then or 380 was, so would you honestly recommend coming back to DCUO?? Because just from this video SP only really matters for support roles, also i hear/read dps is now all about having things called artifacts.
I stopped playing when I realized how strong my fresh alt was with lvl 80 arts and 70 sp. mid game to end game (for me) was just grinding sp and the sp only matters when, example: both dps players have equal arts, and are racing for top dmg, (for me) when it got to that lvl of play, no content was too difficult and it was just being competitive…. So sp not worth the grind and I didn’t see the point of mid or late game
That’s why I keep saying as long as you have 250 sp you good. Then again collecting styles and doing playthroughs of stuff you’ll get a lot of sp unless you purposefully go against very simple feats
I already knew this. The devs made artifacts solely because the majority of their player base left after the discontinued support of the PS3 and the stats revamp. They say it's for giving us different play styles but that's all bullshit. It was a way for them to make profit and stay afloat after the massive amount of players going a-wall. I told them from jump that the revamp was a mistake and was going to make them lose a good portion of veteran players. They didn't listen and now look at it. You have people who only started playing the game after the revamp on the forums defending artifacts and allies thinking everything is fine and dandy but it's far from it. Fuck what this game has become! I'd take revamp era over what we have now any day.
You mean the era when the DPS were so powerful that roles were becoming less and less needed in content? Delusional. Revamp was to balance the game as well. It was all out of whack. I have scoreboard pics from before revamp and the DPS were way too powerful. This is an mmo, not a fighting game. You didn't understand the point of the revamp clearly.
Just yesterday I watched a conversation ingame about skill points and how important they are.. Crazy when the percentage difference based solely on points isn't really that great of a gap. Outside of special needs conditions and wanting to max out yours points, just to play and have fun!? Is fun apart of gaming anymore? For me it's what keeps me going, once it becomes work or a chore to do, I'm out. I play a "Game" that is both "fun" and challenging. - Peace-
I'd like to see the stats on health next to see if it's even worth maxing that when you could put it in dominance and vitalization instead. 10:10 But here, why would you max health if at 100 you don't get percentage buffs anymore? Wouldn't you rather stack it into a third category after finishing might then health to 100?
This is why amulet with berserk mod is so effective. My celes toon jumps 10k to 25k might. My atomic it jumps 10k to 35k might because of aura addition. The lower my health goes the higher the might and if I get that amulet stack bonus it's nutz.
@@ObsidianChill My celes runs grim and amazatrix with robot. Not sure if my might buffs my pets but it sure feels that way. My pet arts at 120 and they hitting hard on this amulet setup. Amulet at 160
At what point should you start filling in another circle in the loadout? I thought I recall after a certain amount of skill points in a certain circle, diminishing returns began to happen...
Be cool if they made it so you only need like 200 sp to be max, but make special cosmetics for those who go over the 200sp cap that way ppl who have all those sp who worked for them can instantly get the cool gear/cosmetics and pol who want the cosmetics can work towards them
This also explains why I use to see some folks fighting when guy 1 has like 100 SP but max rank arts and guy 2 has 500sp and max arts but loses in damage to guy 1 because his rotation was just better 🤭🤭 interesting indeed.
Great video. Thank you. I will never spend another penny in this game. Beta player, quit in 2016, came back for a year subscription last year to see what’s new. been a way for a year, reinstalled a week ago for the hell of it and anniversary event access. Not particularly meaningful, but noticed that Chris Cao is at WOTC…. WOTC OGL news lately? 🤔🙃 all the acquisitions over the years… Why it was bought without seeing what the base of the game is made of, and how inherently unable to make it better… they still bought it to sell it while adding extra systems. Sad for anyone who doesn’t know it’s history. The game has become a bitcoin or NFT. 😏
Bro the cash is there a way too open it if i not member my limit is 50k 😢😢 Because i will not spend single dollar on the game currency difference to high for me
My question is do 200 Artifacts really matter that much more than 160 Artifacts? Most arts seem to have the majority of their bonuses and function at 160 and are giving the bulk of their main percents and performance. Ranking them up to 200 only seems to increase their buffs slightly and seems like just the cherry on top. As far as gradual grinding or to get most bang for the buck wouldn’t it be most ideal to have several 160 arts and swap them for their effects as opposed to focusing on few 200 arts?
Dang, from that it looks like 120 to 160 is small return on most. But hitting 200 does give bigger results than I’d thought. Feels even more Pay2Win when you see the numbers side by side. Would suck to invest in 200 arts only to replace them when better ones come out.
I have 475 with 3 lvl 160 arts even if it’s a 5% difference in damage we’re I’ll be at 76mil and the next dps be at 23 mil with with 200 arts in A alert still speaks volumes , might wanna get them skill points up my boi
I like how he says, "I spec max skillpoints in health and I'll see the DPS next to me go down." 🤔🤔🤔 so spec: 340 skill points into health 7 into flight 1 for focus 1- 3 in Iconics 1- 27 in weapons 60 - in the criticals. For a minimum of 410‐439 skill points. Verified by him at 4:25-4:35.
That was in context to what I do with the extra skill points after I have spec'd the 340 into Might&Power. Having the 700+ sp etc can be helpful but its only for niche situations like that and newer players to the game certainly don't need to stress over that compared to focusing on their other progression.
SP matters to a degree buts its the same story. You could have 340sp in Resto but having a 160-200 PHR or POD would be worth drastically more to healing then 340sp in resto
@@ObsidianChill heh, yeah, I have an ice tank and electric DPS who can get significant numbers for healing... when... Ice doesn't even HAVE heals, and my electric character only uses one ability that is able to heal at all. And because of Arts... I'm getting 5-digit numbers on heals. When I'm not really a healer.
I see the issue, but people have spent real money on artifacts. If they can find a way to make skill points greater than or equal to artifacts without nerfing artifacts then it'll be great. Artifacts help new players who want to invest in the game and get to the current episode effectively. Though, they do cost money and a lot of money if that. It's a hard hole to dig out of honestly.
they could take away the base stats on the artifacts but keep all the bonuses. In the video moving from 100-200sp was 1300 might where simply 1 200 rank solar amplifier is a base 1785 might increase, not including its 5% might bonus
Lol correct, as its always been (and should be). W/same setup (i.e. arts), SP is a minimal difference. Its skill. New players dont suck an have a hard time “catching up” because of SP, its cause they are new an dont know what they are doing. Get over the learning curve (which i assure everyone is VERY minimal), u just need arts an maybe allies an ur golden lol
My personal opionion: make the feat = active skill point and cr become passive skill point. So nobody could just over power or unde power and the weird level clamp cry babies causing newer player less disireable to play the game.
hes right, i only have 150 skill points as for my league members, they have like 400 to 600 skill points and i out DPS them by atleast 40 to 50 mil per elite raid, my highest was 80 mil above them, so skill points aint that important
@@playboybrendo103 at the time only one was 120 and the rest was like 80, now that time has past, like 2 months, everyone i play with have grown real fast
You broke my heat. I know arts are the sh!!, but i thought sp meant more than 11%. Although its still 11% better. What about when those stat merge? My extra health(after might) ahnd arts like tetra using health% turned into might? for when you have 700sp what do you do with it? thanks and haveagood1
For DPS the extra sp are just for prec for extra weapon tap damage (if you are might and vice versa for prec dps using might abilities) and health for survivability. Its more a luxury than anything. Support roles at least can take advantage of multiple skill trees. This game puts alot of feats behind time capsules etc where I would rather spend money leveling arts then worrying about spending money on TC's
@@Wolf.Vision you always want to strive to have enough sp to max out your primary stat. So crits+340 in health or resto etc. Support arts are just as powerful as dps so they will play more a factor, especially in healing. But in the end sp is just stats, once you get the 100sp into the tree you get the 10% jump and after that its just stats you can also get from augments, gen mods, soders etc to make up for your lower SP.
I don’t think the form of the test is accurate to reality, I mean you are only focusing on the might, but sp also gives power and health, and the biggest issue imo, you are testing on sparrings, where you get full power constantly, in a raid or alert you don’t get that power recharge, and if you can’t use powers you can’t do damage, same with health, a 10k/20k increase could save you (e.g it’s one more tick of lava dmg in NUe, that gives the healer time to save you)
power consumption is a moot point. You have White Gear mods, you have generator mods, you have cyborg allies, you even have energy soders plus alot of single target might rotations are channeled based anyways and hardly use any power. Why would you be standing in the lava in NUe to where you'd take damage? If players want to be dumb and intentionally take damage then 340sp in health isn't going to save them. What are you talking about you wouldn't get power regen in raids? are you not running raids with controllers?
Skill points SHOULD matter. Clearly, they really don't. That's completely ridiculous. It really is all about $$$$ Artifacts. That's really crappy. Feats actually doing something was one of the things I really liked about this game. And they don't anymore. Ugh. I was right to be so opposed to the Stat Revamp. I'm currently watching the last 9 months of your videos over the last few days. That's more time than I've spent playing the game in the last year.
Hmmm, why you so suprised. They for longer time are focusing more on things that make them money, and since players sp dont give them money, and artifacts does, then no wonder that they make pay2win and artifacts/allies matter more then players skill points.
I was saying about it like 1 year ago each time i make post at forum Mepps baning me so good luck nothing gona change in this game. So why people so horny to get time capsules feats ? becouse they dont know SP dosnt matter ! Devs not gona change it .
I've grinded SP for the past decade and it's a horrible waste of time. My toons with little SP do great damage while the ones I grinded SP do only slightly better. They should just make gear the deciding factor and make arts/SP an insignificant factor for DPS and role play. Good MMOs don't rely on tedious grinds or borrowed power to keep.players playing. Just another reason for a DCUO2 without any of this nonsense.
This is very sad. This is the main reason why this game is dying. No one logs in anymore to grind for feats, ppl don’t need to spend money on capsule styles for their feat. There is no need for a subscription. Leagues are dyin because farming feats is no longer important. Ppl don’t even need elite gear they can just spam for normal gear then log off and not come back til next dlc. Ppl selling their accounts w 700 sp left and right
everytime i watch yo vids i get sad lmao this game suppose to be so much further and better its crazy they have the base of a crazy game but just lazy Chinese devs
yea I miss the time where the only thing that impacted your dps was your gear mods and some white mods lol. All these arts and allies have completely diluted the game and makes players choose between competing or not.
for the amount of time it would take a player to go from 0-340sp or the amount of money it would take to buy time capsule styles, that 11% is not huge whatsoever
@ObsidianChill what amount of time? The free time we have after hitting end game content and being loot locked? Plenty of time to get skill points and have better stats.
@@SpectralGloom the amount of time it would take you to get 200+ SP naturally, you would already have earned enough nth metal to level your artifacts high enough to nearly double the 11% you are concerned that is actually huge.
This is excellent news for new players since they'll never get the opportunity to do all the feats anyway. The chances of finding a raid/alert group that knows how to do feats is damn near impossible unless you're grandfathered into an OG league or something.
Not the league I'm in we do it all especially for the feats
@@czotheghostgmail right. The league that YOU are in.
Telling people to be suboptimal and just pay to win is excellent news? Nah. We don't need more new players that just buy stats and can't play for shit. Do you realize how big 11% is in a number based rng system? It's gigantic. It's like saying oh I'm not gonna wear some gear at all.
@@SpectralGloom facts
So they essentially undid what they fixed years ago. BRILLIANT!
Thats one of the reasons why I stop playing when feats became attached to time capsules. I started noticing the guys with the most money we’re getting skill points and the gaps between players who didn’t have it in their skill points. I’ve never came back because of the massive difference in skill points between where I was an endgame players. But now that I know that it’s not that big of a deal and it’s all around artifacts, I might be enticed to come back and start playing again yes it’s not fair to those who have grind it out to get these feats. Honestly, DC should just get rid of skill points altogether.
My suggestion cr = passive skill point, feats are for using allocate active. Much more easy to balance the game now
Keep posting like this constantly this makes my day everytime i see u ❤
thanks
great testing as always, and totally agree you only need about 170 for your role and you will be ok as all you really need is that 100 in primary for the 10% and the 60 for the crits, and you're good.. heck that's how most of us hybrid build, by throwing 100 in what ever other stats we need for that 10% and most of the time that's all the extra you need to make it more viable
the state of the game is sad were those arts are so essential now. giving us alternate ways to play is nice but the fact that they are almost required now just bugs me
what ab healing ?
Arts are cash grabs sp is also but not as much as new arts every 4 months
@@kaymanii00
100 to 150 in restoration and you're good to go
@@kaymanii00 your biggest stat boost from SP is still going to come from getting at least 100 into resto and the 60 in healing crit and crit magnitude. you can be a little under geared as a healer and still do fairly well. but gear is the largest stat gain but with sp at least get to that 170 mark or 190 as its also helpful to dump 20 in dom for shields as 20 is the sweet spot of max gain for the least amount of SP
@@drathmor1401yea you don’t run elite fasho lmao
Yeooo that's crazy. Thanks for this video. As for a DPS it's not that serious to go crazy on skill points. I'm legit speech-less..... All that work for skill points and just to have it not mean as such as it did before. Kind of sad. As for a controller, tank and healer it probably of course helps. But this is wild for a dps. Anyhow thanks for clearing this up.
I am new and I met someone who basically told me the same thing and I didn’t want to believe him until I checked for myself and I am glad I did because I was about to start wasting time grinding skill points. Thank you very much!
He's stating a very wrong opinion. 11% loss is huge in any mmorpg. He's almost always giving bad advice and he prone believe it vecayse they haven't actually tested themselves anything he says against other avenues.
ive said that skill points are for special roles i.e battle tank, buff troll, etc... Or dps comping (which i am not a fan of but to each their own). Sp's also help to use less armories. And your absolutely right about prec and health. Good video. New players needed to understand this.
I think sp for dps could matter more if they changed the crit chance and crit damage traits to further increase those stats. If players could push their crit chance to lets say 70% with 500-600ish sp or more or a dph build increasing their crit damage it would feel like the skill point you gained are more impactful to dps roles.
Thank you for this. 😁 arts and good load out what makes you strong.
Thank you so much for this message , and I hear and am moving into the right directions. 😀
Thanks for all the testing as normal, I am just coming back and you make a small update video for water DPS/healing rotation,arts. Just looking for something more current. Thanks
This is good for my alt account. Why I have an alt account? I got problems…lol! But there’s no way I have the time to acquire the SP I currently have on my PS account on my PC account. I have a day job, a social life, and responsibilities. Lol! As always, good info. Your spreadsheets are real and useful data.
I recently restarted as I was on PS and now on PC. My electricity DPS is keeping up, and sometimes out performing, other DPS that have more SP and even more points in their arts and augs. There's also a little bit of luck and reaction that goes into it. If you're not getting smoked by stuns and boxed, or you can breakout almost instantly and start your rotation up, then you can keep up with people a bit better than may not be as fast or paying attention as much.
A lot of small factors can contribute to DPS.
1 thing i noticed is with the might and power stat if you have nothing in it you run out of power a lot more than if you have that stat maxed or close to maxed.
Might and power never ran out on mines unless u built prec usually is the one fastest power ran out.
Well timed video, my dps toon just hit 100sp in might :D
Interesting video.
I had tried to start a character on another server. Looking at the amount of skill points now and how much people are requiring to run content with them now and the state of the game it's really hard on new players.
With the stat squish and small community, getting into lower raids is easier, but actually getting feats from them is very difficult/nigh impossible unless you have a set group to run with...but good luck finding that.
It would take months/years to catch up to end game players which puts a lot of players off.
Making feats easier to get and more impactful would help the community as a whole, but at the moment, buying artefacts is one of the only option available to get close. :(
Feats should be easier to get without a Stat Clamp...allowing easier 'solo' feat collecting in older content.
Devs definitely went the other way there ...
Same as well. I attempted to make a new toon & looking at the current skill points & feats needed, it would take ages and might scare new players to get in the game since almost all the older content is dead or fully ignored
Awesome video, as always. Thank you so much for sharing! 🤘
thanks for watching
sp's is such a slow grind it just burns me out. that plus idc to do elite's and i would like to someday but alot of ppl gate them out to higher sp people. they need to do somthing with sp's more than artifacts
Wow and I’m returning 🤦🏽♂️ tysm for these vids💪🏽so just do collection with detectors
Can you explain more about this for support roles?
That's not what dpsuo does. It matters far more for support roles. Artificats, augments and allies matter quite a bit as well.
I would advocate more for SP if some of them weren't behind a paywall. Not every active player is an active member but they put in their time still. I think people should just come up however they want and stop being toxic lol.
This is why I'm honestly an advocate for nerfing arts or at least the % buff it gives you. It makes those that spent hours. Days. Years grinding for sp kinda pointless. Yeah I know it's un popular but I'd like my hard work and others to be rewarded not just have someone be able to pay for what I worked hard to get to achieve.
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@@kaymanii00 eat a d🥒k
You still need SP for support roles however that makes a difference
@@troylawson1902 okay so a new player can pay for arts and be just as good as dpsing but not as good as a support role.. still the fact that they can be as good at anything as someone that has spent years grinding is sad. If they want to keep the buff arts give that's fine. Just make the value of sp more.
People who pay support the game though. Nerfing people who invest is not going to help in the least.
10% drop on damage is way too much when you are doing solo content or running with weak people, something that happens a lot on random alerts, i recently respected my characters because i bought loadouts so i can have pure dps and pure role, and the difference is abysmal, and i am the kind of player who gives sp to health dom and rest even on dps because i do tons of solo content and need to survive whitout any healer, so i can see the numbers, but in practice is a different story. To put it on perspective, My main does the higest damage but has heat vission on 140 and the other 2 arts on 120, my alt has all the arts on 80 buti bought replay badges to grab the sp points i farmed on my main and has about 20 to 30% less damage than my main.
One thing i totally agree is that chasing SP only is stupid, a dude asked in the forums how many SP needed, and i told him that Stats are really the number to watch and that stats can be obtained by several sources, so on that i do agree with you, get the SP you can whitout being obsess with feats, and use the other sources, arts, augs, allys, to compensate, i mean that is the real meaning of a balanced character, something that use many sources in order to get the level, not just one.
Bro this guy is insane, he wants us struggling through content.
ObsidianChillDCUO work damn hard to give us all those stats meanwhile all other just report the latest news that everyone can read in 2 sec when open client...
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Thank you so much. I am new, about 3wks. Did the skip. Trying to do feats on episodes and I keep hitting brick walls. They have removed the ability to do needed content unless you get lucky in omnibus.
Man i havent played since 2017, whenever starro was originally launched, but tbh last raid i remember running when it was new day 1 was Unholy Matramony, played from late 2012 until whenever UM dropped because basically SP didnt matter back then, i left with like 320-370sp i think, i think 400-415 was max SP max then or 380 was, so would you honestly recommend coming back to DCUO?? Because just from this video SP only really matters for support roles, also i hear/read dps is now all about having things called artifacts.
A dead dps does no damage, survivability is more important to me
I stopped playing when I realized how strong my fresh alt was with lvl 80 arts and 70 sp. mid game to end game (for me) was just grinding sp and the sp only matters when, example: both dps players have equal arts, and are racing for top dmg, (for me) when it got to that lvl of play, no content was too difficult and it was just being competitive…. So sp not worth the grind and I didn’t see the point of mid or late game
Skill/knowledge>artifacts>sp
knowledge usually leads to skill, but still correct assessment :)
even before watching the video SUPPORT ROLES : YES IT DOES, FOR ELITE PLUS CONTENT 100% EVERY STAT COUNTS!
That’s why I keep saying as long as you have 250 sp you good. Then again collecting styles and doing playthroughs of stuff you’ll get a lot of sp unless you purposefully go against very simple feats
I already knew this. The devs made artifacts solely because the majority of their player base left after the discontinued support of the PS3 and the stats revamp. They say it's for giving us different play styles but that's all bullshit. It was a way for them to make profit and stay afloat after the massive amount of players going a-wall.
I told them from jump that the revamp was a mistake and was going to make them lose a good portion of veteran players. They didn't listen and now look at it. You have people who only started playing the game after the revamp on the forums defending artifacts and allies thinking everything is fine and dandy but it's far from it. Fuck what this game has become! I'd take revamp era over what we have now any day.
You mean the era when the DPS were so powerful that roles were becoming less and less needed in content? Delusional. Revamp was to balance the game as well. It was all out of whack. I have scoreboard pics from before revamp and the DPS were way too powerful. This is an mmo, not a fighting game. You didn't understand the point of the revamp clearly.
There shouldn’t be a 355 cap on the final column in sp. If you can could keep building your power tree via sp that would help.
Just yesterday I watched a conversation ingame about skill points and how important they are.. Crazy when the percentage difference based solely on points isn't really that great of a gap. Outside of special needs conditions and wanting to max out yours points, just to play and have fun!? Is fun apart of gaming anymore? For me it's what keeps me going, once it becomes work or a chore to do, I'm out. I play a "Game" that is both "fun" and challenging. - Peace-
I couldn't have said it any better.👍🏽
Thank you for that video. Great.
I'd like to see the stats on health next to see if it's even worth maxing that when you could put it in dominance and vitalization instead.
10:10 But here, why would you max health if at 100 you don't get percentage buffs anymore? Wouldn't you rather stack it into a third category after finishing might then health to 100?
are you speaking as a dps or as a tank?
@@ObsidianChill dps
This is why amulet with berserk mod is so effective. My celes toon jumps 10k to 25k might. My atomic it jumps 10k to 35k might because of aura addition. The lower my health goes the higher the might and if I get that amulet stack bonus it's nutz.
yup definitely, amulet can be super effective
@@ObsidianChill
My celes runs grim and amazatrix with robot. Not sure if my might buffs my pets but it sure feels that way. My pet arts at 120 and they hitting hard on this amulet setup. Amulet at 160
At what point should you start filling in another circle in the loadout? I thought I recall after a certain amount of skill points in a certain circle, diminishing returns began to happen...
Awesome video thanks
Be cool if they made it so you only need like 200 sp to be max, but make special cosmetics for those who go over the 200sp cap that way ppl who have all those sp who worked for them can instantly get the cool gear/cosmetics and pol who want the cosmetics can work towards them
What is even good sp at this point I'm at 480ish and the increase isn't that crazy. Does prec get better with more sp?
Ive always said SP are overrated
Omg thank God you still play , serious question cause I'm just coming back, what's the name of the gear you can buy in the auction to raise your CR ?
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This also explains why I use to see some folks fighting when guy 1 has like 100 SP but max rank arts and guy 2 has 500sp and max arts but loses in damage to guy 1 because his rotation was just better 🤭🤭 interesting indeed.
Just good gameplay 😉😜
Makes me wonder if it'd make more sense to put all those points into health if you're like me and die alot. A dead DPS does zero damage after all.
Great video. Thank you. I will never spend another penny in this game. Beta player, quit in 2016, came back for a year subscription last year to see what’s new. been a way for a year, reinstalled a week ago for the hell of it and anniversary event access. Not particularly meaningful, but noticed that Chris Cao is at WOTC…. WOTC OGL news lately? 🤔🙃 all the acquisitions over the years… Why it was bought without seeing what the base of the game is made of, and how inherently unable to make it better… they still bought it to sell it while adding extra systems. Sad for anyone who doesn’t know it’s history. The game has become a bitcoin or NFT. 😏
I know I'm late finding this video but I'm about 217 sp spent should I stop getting more points and focus on artifacts then?🤔
Great vid bro
DCUO is 100% a Pay-To-Win game!
Bro the cash is there a way too open it if i not member my limit is 50k 😢😢 Because i will not spend single dollar on the game currency difference to high for me
yeah for tank SP is kinda CRITICAL to sucess hehe
you get about 30-40% tankier, if not more. which matters because you cant heal a oneshot tank
How much sp would you need in general for both roles such as tank and dps?
I think people are talking about in a PVP battle they have no chance of winning if someone has that much higher skill points
My question is do 200 Artifacts really matter that much more than 160 Artifacts? Most arts seem to have the majority of their bonuses and function at 160 and are giving the bulk of their main percents and performance. Ranking them up to 200 only seems to increase their buffs slightly and seems like just the cherry on top. As far as gradual grinding or to get most bang for the buck wouldn’t it be most ideal to have several 160 arts and swap them for their effects as opposed to focusing on few 200 arts?
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Dang, from that it looks like 120 to 160 is small return on most. But hitting 200 does give bigger results than I’d thought. Feels even more Pay2Win when you see the numbers side by side. Would suck to invest in 200 arts only to replace them when better ones come out.
The longer u stay in a fight the more dps.
I have 475 with 3 lvl 160 arts even if it’s a 5% difference in damage we’re I’ll be at 76mil and the next dps be at 23 mil with with 200 arts in A alert still speaks volumes , might wanna get them skill points up my boi
if the other dps has 200's and you have 160's that 200 art dps still needs to have a brain or there wouldn't be a difference at all
@@ObsidianChill lol your right about that
Mepps should explain this to us
Please share this video with the devs… it’s ridiculous
Working as intended, the Devs ain't doing nothing to Skill Points....
It would discourage new players from playing.
We should be able to buy skill points. Just started playing again and I’m not about to go from 172 sp to 800. It’s already pay to win anyway
I'm at 726 sp with almost 240k might.
Someone with no sp isn't going to beat me. Period.
I like how he says, "I spec max skillpoints in health and I'll see the DPS next to me go down." 🤔🤔🤔 so spec:
340 skill points into health
7 into flight
1 for focus
1- 3 in Iconics
1- 27 in weapons
60 - in the criticals.
For a minimum of 410‐439 skill points. Verified by him at 4:25-4:35.
That was in context to what I do with the extra skill points after I have spec'd the 340 into Might&Power. Having the 700+ sp etc can be helpful but its only for niche situations like that and newer players to the game certainly don't need to stress over that compared to focusing on their other progression.
@ObsidianChillDCUO thank you for courtesy.
Can you do a prec version just to see if the results are similar?
prec scales even better than might does so I have no reason to suspect anything would be different in terms of sp vs arts
So, for support roles sp is a big deal?
I always try to do both dps and support on all my characters.
SP matters to a degree buts its the same story. You could have 340sp in Resto but having a 160-200 PHR or POD would be worth drastically more to healing then 340sp in resto
@@ObsidianChill heh, yeah, I have an ice tank and electric DPS who can get significant numbers for healing... when... Ice doesn't even HAVE heals, and my electric character only uses one ability that is able to heal at all. And because of Arts... I'm getting 5-digit numbers on heals. When I'm not really a healer.
I knew this just based on pvp imagine someone with 100 or less sp come and smack someone with 700+ sp smh it happens more often than you know lol
Wow ok this is very surprising
He doesnt know what he is saying
Yh but low arts still doing more damage than max arts sometimes which is bs literally.
Sounds like other games, diminishing return
I see the issue, but people have spent real money on artifacts. If they can find a way to make skill points greater than or equal to artifacts without nerfing artifacts then it'll be great. Artifacts help new players who want to invest in the game and get to the current episode effectively. Though, they do cost money and a lot of money if that. It's a hard hole to dig out of honestly.
they could take away the base stats on the artifacts but keep all the bonuses. In the video moving from 100-200sp was 1300 might where simply 1 200 rank solar amplifier is a base 1785 might increase, not including its 5% might bonus
@@ObsidianChill Ahh true. I wonder what they’ll do. If they do anything at all anyways.
Lol correct, as its always been (and should be).
W/same setup (i.e. arts), SP is a minimal difference. Its skill. New players dont suck an have a hard time “catching up” because of SP, its cause they are new an dont know what they are doing.
Get over the learning curve (which i assure everyone is VERY minimal), u just need arts an maybe allies an ur golden lol
My personal opionion: make the feat = active skill point and cr become passive skill point. So nobody could just over power or unde power and the weird level clamp cry babies causing newer player less disireable to play the game.
Arts>>>>SP
Yep. Only die hard sp bigots sweat sp
hes right, i only have 150 skill points as for my league members, they have like 400 to 600 skill points and i out DPS them by atleast 40 to 50 mil per elite raid, my highest was 80 mil above them, so skill points aint that important
What’s your n there art lvls
@@playboybrendo103 at the time only one was 120 and the rest was like 80, now that time has past, like 2 months, everyone i play with have grown real fast
My suggestion cr = passive, problem solved
i think they must remove SP and left just gear score and atifacts
Can u plzz do an atomic dps build video?? I need da help
You dont want his help
You broke my heat. I know arts are the sh!!, but i thought sp meant more than 11%. Although its still 11% better. What about when those stat merge? My extra health(after might) ahnd arts like tetra using health% turned into might? for when you have 700sp what do you do with it? thanks and haveagood1
For DPS the extra sp are just for prec for extra weapon tap damage (if you are might and vice versa for prec dps using might abilities) and health for survivability. Its more a luxury than anything. Support roles at least can take advantage of multiple skill trees. This game puts alot of feats behind time capsules etc where I would rather spend money leveling arts then worrying about spending money on TC's
Thanks again for all your testing. Very appreciated@@ObsidianChill
What about prec?
prec scales even better than might does so I have no reason to suspect anything would be different in terms of sp vs arts
Focussed on money
How much SP you think is enough for roles though?
roles other than dps?
@@ObsidianChill yes
@@ObsidianChill yes
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@@Wolf.Vision you always want to strive to have enough sp to max out your primary stat. So crits+340 in health or resto etc. Support arts are just as powerful as dps so they will play more a factor, especially in healing. But in the end sp is just stats, once you get the 100sp into the tree you get the 10% jump and after that its just stats you can also get from augments, gen mods, soders etc to make up for your lower SP.
Do this video for heal/tank/troll
I don’t think the form of the test is accurate to reality, I mean you are only focusing on the might, but sp also gives power and health, and the biggest issue imo, you are testing on sparrings, where you get full power constantly, in a raid or alert you don’t get that power recharge, and if you can’t use powers you can’t do damage, same with health, a 10k/20k increase could save you (e.g it’s one more tick of lava dmg in NUe, that gives the healer time to save you)
power consumption is a moot point. You have White Gear mods, you have generator mods, you have cyborg allies, you even have energy soders plus alot of single target might rotations are channeled based anyways and hardly use any power. Why would you be standing in the lava in NUe to where you'd take damage? If players want to be dumb and intentionally take damage then 340sp in health isn't going to save them. What are you talking about you wouldn't get power regen in raids? are you not running raids with controllers?
Which Proves, dcuo is currently pay to play, pay to win....
I still respect the Sp grind.
hey semi noob here, is quislet better than grimorium?
quislet is better yes.
@@ObsidianChill ty
Im tryin to 4v4 obsidian one of these days.
Skill points SHOULD matter. Clearly, they really don't. That's completely ridiculous. It really is all about $$$$ Artifacts. That's really crappy. Feats actually doing something was one of the things I really liked about this game. And they don't anymore. Ugh. I was right to be so opposed to the Stat Revamp. I'm currently watching the last 9 months of your videos over the last few days. That's more time than I've spent playing the game in the last year.
Hmmm, why you so suprised. They for longer time are focusing more on things that make them money, and since players sp dont give them money, and artifacts does, then no wonder that they make pay2win and artifacts/allies matter more then players skill points.
I was saying about it like 1 year ago each time i make post at forum Mepps baning me so good luck nothing gona change in this game. So why people so horny to get time capsules feats ? becouse they dont know SP dosnt matter ! Devs not gona change it .
Aaaand this is what dcuo meant by alternative progression; buy your arts and allies and you won't have to go through SPs, bwahahaha. Brilliant!
Sooooo the heart of isis doesnt have a 200 rank?
It does, I am in the process of redoing my review video
I saw you one time in 8 years lol in the game 😂
Pay to Win!
I've grinded SP for the past decade and it's a horrible waste of time. My toons with little SP do great damage while the ones I grinded SP do only slightly better.
They should just make gear the deciding factor and make arts/SP an insignificant factor for DPS and role play.
Good MMOs don't rely on tedious grinds or borrowed power to keep.players playing. Just another reason for a DCUO2 without any of this nonsense.
What “good” mmo doesn’t have tedious grinds?
@@Stizzfoshizz Right🤣🤣.... People just talking out of their A$$.. its and MMO theres always a grind
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So skill points in dcuo are obsolete.
This is very sad. This is the main reason why this game is dying. No one logs in anymore to grind for feats, ppl don’t need to spend money on capsule styles for their feat. There is no need for a subscription. Leagues are dyin because farming feats is no longer important. Ppl don’t even need elite gear they can just spam for normal gear then log off and not come back til next dlc. Ppl selling their accounts w 700 sp left and right
everytime i watch yo vids i get sad lmao this game suppose to be so much further and better its crazy they have the base of a crazy game but just lazy Chinese devs
yea I miss the time where the only thing that impacted your dps was your gear mods and some white mods lol. All these arts and allies have completely diluted the game and makes players choose between competing or not.
11% damage loss/ increase is actually huge. That's very much a wrong statement.
for the amount of time it would take a player to go from 0-340sp or the amount of money it would take to buy time capsule styles, that 11% is not huge whatsoever
@ObsidianChill what amount of time? The free time we have after hitting end game content and being loot locked? Plenty of time to get skill points and have better stats.
@@SpectralGloom the amount of time it would take you to get 200+ SP naturally, you would already have earned enough nth metal to level your artifacts high enough to nearly double the 11% you are concerned that is actually huge.
Thanks for proving yet again that this game is broken AF; continuing to lose motivation to play this damn game.
This is why its so many TRASH players on the server niw smh
Long Live the OP OG players