Will Boeing Starliner ever get off the ground? What does this mean for ULA?
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- Опубліковано 16 тра 2024
- Boeing Starliner has been delayed AGAIN!! How can NASA, or any other customer, be expected to use a human rated spacecraft with this many problems and delays?
And what about ULA's woes?
#space #nasa #spacex
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NASA should make them pay the money back and then give it to SpaceX.
If I were an astronaut scheduled to go up on a Boeing product, I would seriously consider becoming a bartender, and at least that way save money on drinks.
Last I heard Chris Ferguson was still out getting milk and cigarettes.
there better be triple reducdant manual-triggers for the capsule Escape rockets
Everyone: Will Starliner ever lift off?
Boeing: Define 'lift off'
Dream Chaser should be the alternative to Dragon, if you need an alternative to Dragon it shouldn't be more of the same. Also in an emergency is can land were there are Emergency Services right on hand - any major airport.
You would need Dream Chaser to go up on F9. Vulcan is nowhere to be found lately despite the backlog and don't get me started on New Glen.
Once Nuetron from Rocket Lab is finished, I believe Dream Chaser will fit. Neutron is planned to be one of the most reusable rockets.
You must understand that in a company like Boeing, solving a problem in weeks is already a miracle.
A few dozen peripheral meetings, then they open a ticket to decide when to have a meeting, then they have to wait until all 753 people who need to attend are available, then they open a new office to decide whether to create a committee to discuss the matter........ this is to change a light bulb on the desk of the janitor: for a helium leak on a rocket, increase the effort tenfold and add a few meetings.
Salute to the courage of the crew that dare to hop in this ....rocket 😅😂.
Nice short video
I'm not that worried about ULA tbh, but Starliner is nearly out of the game.
If Sierra Nevada have drama free demonstration flights of the first few Dreamchasers, I'm sure the human rated variant will be in high demand.
I hate to say this, but I wouldn’t get on one of their crafts! Boeing is kind of in the hot seat right now and it’s finally coming to light! Just don’t put our astronauts in jeopardy please!! #spaceaddict #stayangry
Right, after scheduling two launch attempts, they're just going to quit before the third attempt and decide not to put astronauts on it. When in the history of spaceflight has NASA ever done that?
When the metaphor is also reality
Their reputation is on the line!Need to look at the management of the company to solve issues.
Their reputation is already in the toilet.
Starliner: Can be -reused- delayed 20 times
Yes, I stole that one. Sue me.
Crew rated Dreamchaser 👌🏻
They don’t have anything like Boeings resources, and they fired a load of people as soon as they built the first vehicle…..
I have a feeling our India’s Gaganyan human space program might launch before Starliner
What do you mean you have a feeling? I’ll put money on it 😁🇦🇺
Angry get serious, no one is going to use Boeings POS. Assuming no one dies in it, it is too expensive.
Never say never.
US government: Oh yeah? Hold our 20 trillion dollar debt!
Who will want to contract Starliner vs. Dragon or Dream Chaser?
And also pay much more for it.
Godspeed, Capricorn One! 🤣
Very funny 😂
Hopefully Elon has a Falcon Nine with a Dragon capsule locked and loaded for a rescue mission when this Boeing finally launches. Confidence is low and concerns for the crew are high.
FAA should never give a crew launch license, unless there is a resque vehikle on the pad.
@@MichaelWinter-ss6lxhave you seen what happens to anything near the pad?
It definitely should launch and there's definitely nothing wrong with it! (please don't kill me).
Clause 1: agreed; clause 2 - disagreed - there are clearly several things wrong with it.
However, NASA has every confidence in it and rates it as less dangerous than it originally rated Crew Dragon, which was marginal.
I personally would force them to fly another unmanned mission.
If there is nothing wrong with it, volunteer to ride on it!
@@mikehipperson There are plenty of qualified ahead or him. Damn even given the high risk I would ride on it since there is no other chance I will get to space unless aliens come and start taking us away. Old enough now and kids out the door, the pros outweigh the cons.
ULA never assumed they would achieve a high launch rate. If they did they wouldn’t have picked the engine ejection approach.
No reuse with Vulcan. So no.
Thanks for the update and views 🇺🇲🇺🇦😊
Starliners competition is dragon, spacex have done more test flights of the vehicle they want to replace dragon than starliner has, if a competitor is testing the next generation when you’re struggling to make a competing product to the current generation you’ve got no chance long term 😂
"The average person pushes an elevator button 6 or 7 minutes before realizing it's not working. ".
......Don Rickles' would say this about Starliner.
For the sake of Astronaut's lives, please scrap that thing NOW before it turns into the 737 MAX of space.
Every little Helium leak has lots of brothers.
Elon Musk will welcome the 5oooth citizen of Mars ON Mars before that thing is safe
Well said
737 Max is and was a perfectly safe airliner. In that case Boeing went far beyond the call of duty to fix the problem. Third world airlines were the cause of both fatal crashes, by ignoring Boeing's procedures. I have complete documentation.
But Boeing definitely dropped the ball on Starliner and the loss of the door plug for Alaska airlines. Do you know about the ongoing Starliner heat shield investigation?
@@RockinRobbins13 Yes, a perfectly safe 60 year old heap of junk. We have seen how good they werde designed in the 1950s. And how good they are built in 2024 with losing doors and nobody knows why. And nobody knows when those thingies will ever be safe again.
Third world airlines only do what the designer of the vehicle tells them and allows them to do.
Of course they all had their bunch of dead idijts. But they did not fly Boeing. They flew Airbus. Mostly.
Starliner, as always, did not disappoint and again delivered a new fault🤗How about sending Boeing management on that first flight? After all, they believe in their own product, right? Right?
@@TheGalacticIndian Starliner does not have enough space for 100.000 managers.
Still a test / development flight so hopefully leads to improvements…..
It all adds up.
I don't think anyone would to go up in that
Up in smoke? Or what?
Assuming Boeing will keep some kind of remote-operated depressurization system installed in case the astronauts get any funny ideas.
will it be ready before they deorbit the space station
Certainly something to be actually Angry about!
Current date for launch attempt 25 May 1900z
Paperweights are more useful on the ground than in zero gravity.
Voicing what we are all thinking!
This has become a classic. 😂
Please dial back the music.
Fingers crossed ! ✝️🕯
What will lift off first a human in Starliner or or Cargo Dream Chasser?
I think the starship Enterprise will be built before this thing ever gets off the pad.
Boing is full of DEI hires.
Is this a "nothing gets manufactured in the west anymore" thing in the long run? Amount and art of those mishaps is a bit confusing.
given that this is one the last atlas V launches is Vulcan compatible with the Starliner capsule? if yes why don't they start its human carrying certification ? now they'll need a demo mission for the capsule and another demo mission for the Vulcan when it's ready
I would say they have started it by launching the first one in January. "Maiden flight of Vulcan Centaur. Also known as Certification-1"
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We need backups to our backups
There is already a back up for Dragon. It's another Dragon. Apollo never had another vehicle on standby. SpaceX can and should with astronauts wearing EVA suits to enable inter vehicle transfers.
@@michaelreid2329 F
irst off, Space x has a monopoly on ways to space and the more alternatives there are, the cheaper and second, what if space x goes down then what, there's now other ways to space until dream chaser come online and then we've just come full circle, where back to relaying on a space plane, what if that goes down for a while. This is why we should always have a capsule alternative, it's a reliable design and isn't too complex . Not saying dream chaser is bad, I think might be the one of the best orbiters ever made. It's just we can't rely on space x all the time, there not perfect, which now I'm say that might be the biggest understatement of the century...
Will Apollo ever get off the ground ? What does this mean for Boeing, North American Aviation, Douglas Aircraft Company, and IBM ?
It seems the engines cant be produced at the same pace like space x 😮😂
And mated to an atlas missile first built in 1955. Bad omens everywhere.
My bet is IFT-5 and Dream Chaser will launch before this mess will!!
Great Video ! Helium leaks are old news and from YT videos may be around for a long time but may be slowed down... New Helium reserves have been found around the world the last few years ! Also some high profit Helium may be recovered from the moon to pay for the space program ! The Falcon 9 is old Tech and must soon be up-graded to Methane (CH4), so the ULA Vulcan Centaur can only be improved. The Tech developed to return to the moon to stay, can take US and the world to Mars and beyond ! tjl
Why must Falcon be upgraded to methylox? Isn't it already the most versatile rocket in history, with missions operating 2 million miles apart?
There is already a Falcon 9 upgrade in progress. It's called Starship! No point in just changing fuel, might as well go the whole hog and make it bigger as well.
ULA does not plan on improving the Vulcan to reusability. Vulcan is a generation behind the Falcon-9 and Space X is moving to the next generation already with Starship and full reusability. ULA, Boeing and ESA are still working on older generation launch vehicles.
@@westcoaststacker569 The one thing ULA has going for it is the Centaur upper stage, arguably the ONLY reliable use of hydrolox chemistry and a product that makes ULA rockets some of the best in the world.
Centaur is ULA's ace in the hole and the ultimate fallback plan to ensure survivability of the company.
This thing is a widow maker.
its not practical, safe or sustainable and bleeds the taxpayer, NASA should have and be looking for another provider.
Welfare for Boeing. Politicians do not care as long as the lobbyist keep them fat.
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the next launch needs to be Unmanned OMG they are rushing something that needs more testing, despite the delays. and if they mess it up unmanned, then it all goes to another contractor
Boing!
Not going
Spring launch is reusable.
Practical question. How many Atlas V boosters does ULA have before it's Vulcan Centaur or nothing? Starliner was already stuck onto a booster it doesn't fit, can it be shoehorned onto a Vulcan Centaur? Can Vulcan Centaur even be human rated? And.....what about Mary Lou?
You mean (?) :
How did you loose your virginity?
When will you loose your stupidity?
Mary Lou ?
They have 17 Atlas rockets left. They are all sold, though. New customers have to look elsewhere.
8 are Amazon Kuiper launches, 7 are Boeing Starliner launches, 1 is for USSF and there's one commercial launch for Viasat.
It should be possible to fly Starliner on Vulcan Centaur, the question is more if Boeing is willing to pay for it. Starliner hasn't been very successful, so they may be okay with just finishing the NASA contract and then retiring Starliner.
Didn't Mark Watney already grow potatoes in Mars soil?
Boeing is no longer an Engineering company. Their front office is full of PMPs, CPAs, CFOs, and marketing people. Is a "little helium leak" anything like a "little MCAS problem"? Well, SpaceX is a real Engineering company, and it shows.
It's a PoS...
All Boeing has created for NASA should be transfered to SPaceX and other commercial companied - then those companies regroup and go over ever wire and bolt and save SLS from the scrap heap
Why distract all others with a mess they haven't made? Boeing already had advantages in every point possible.
I been telling you ALL ALONG - that what YOU'VE been calling - two winners "competitive" or ~" we need two winners for healthy competition"
I've been calling it the opposite "anti-competitive" because that's exactly what it is.
It's like an encouragement award for the loser, except the encouragement award is a greater value than the winner's award.
Two ULA launches every month! How exciting. BlueOrigin have ramped up engine production and can now provide one new rocket engine in every five months! Vulcan needs three engines.
Meanwhile SpaceX (dont fall asleep) launch three rockets every week. They have even begun to practise three launches in one single day.
Now Starliner (•; what a ridiculous name for a tincan ;•). Can that thing ever launch ontop anything other than AtlasV? It had no future already when it left the design board.
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Boing is involved, profit motivated probs. Look at Aries 5 development and the overrides that "was" given in the past. They have put themselves out of the running!!!
They thought their monopoly was untouchable and live off federal corporate welfare.
Background music is annoying and distracting.
Are all of Boeing's new products cursed?
Starliner is a modern space dodo, even if it does eventually fly the astronauts its future is likely fatal.
It’s STILL going? I thought they finally pulled the plug, it’s a joke…
They haven't been paid yet, so sukencost and a little bit of saving face has them continuing the charade.
In this episode of "The mildly annoyed astronaut".
You'd think there would be a genuine RANT by now due to Boeing's constant screwups.
Sack the starliner now… before it’s too late
Valves are hard, but we will figure it out, eventually.
We could use some tax breaks again, too.
Boeing Mgmt.
👌🏻🤫
It’s a shame,this is going to be a disaster.
Lets hope not! For our fearless test pilots.
Will Starliner ever get off the ground? Seriously? When in the entire history of spaceflight has a spacecraft been stacked on its launched and NEVER launched? I can't think of one. There are delays, of course. Sometimes years behind schedule. But I can't think of an instance where NASA just gave up. So, the answer is, of course it will, if not on the 21st then on another date. The real question is how long will you keep asking questions like this before it does? That cancellation would have to come from Congress or the White House, and if Musk cultivates friends in both, well, that's the ball game, isn't it?
Maybe NASA and Boeing have this radical, unheard of idea of resolving problems on the ground before launch, instead of Musk's tried and true conservative mention of launching frequently until they stop exploding.
I chuckled when you compared Atlas V to Falcon 9, because a few years ago Musk said he wanted to sunset Falcon and Dragon and just go with Starship. Good luck with that.
U.nlimited L.aunch A.borts
Will SpaceX have to have a rocket on standby to rescue the people from the Starliner? I hope not, as I hope to help rescue everyone from the ISS.
If Boeing hits the ISS or blocks a door, the Russons may rescue their people or try to sort out the orbit if they can launch in time.
No. Never.
Ya it’ll make it off the ground….. if it doesn’t fall apart first. Especially if they are using the same assembly line as their perfect airliners 🙄🤦♂️🤢🤮 I can’t believe they are even considering Boeing
What’s this thing made of bloody paper mache? Ridiculous Boeing
This spacecraft is going to kill a crew.
Always negative.
I think Boeing should stick with planes.
Lol, how angry are you gonna be when you finally learn this is all Hollywood
WOW ! .... So much for Starship 31 ... Now it's Scrap ! ... That BF Holey Grail Rocket is a POS ! ... Another X for SpaceX ... and Moron Musk ! :-/
Time to dump that Boeing Stock.
Boeing is in no hurry! Starliner can go at its own speed to launch! $4.6 billion in total for Boeing! Space X got paid only $2.6 billion! ULA is running out of it stock in Russian rocket engines. They plan on going with Blue Origin’s New Glen rocket engines?
Beso will buy ULA if ESpace cant grab it first
BlueOrigin ramped up engine production. They can now provide one new rocket engine in every 5 months.
Someone should post what SpaceX is getting for the extended contracts.
Complete waste of OUR money
Ive unsubbed nasa today. They are a long long way from deserving much of anything in my opinion.
I feel disrespected, disappointed, Disgusted, so pift.
A strong boo thats my opinion of nasa currently. Boo.
My 6c opinions.
How many billions of the American tax dollar have padded the pocket at Boeing for this boondoggle.
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If I was a conspiracy nut...I would think that someone is trying to sabotage Boeing on many levels.
The sabotage was when accountants took over the top management, replacing the engineers.
@@paullangford8179 absolutely...bean counters should not run companies.