What Is Big O Notation?

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  • @DanGM123
    @DanGM123 3 роки тому +2127

    i love how 3blue1brown has created a new genre

    • @vgarzareyna
      @vgarzareyna 3 роки тому +109

      I’ve seen a lot of videos similar to 3b1b’s lately and I love them

    • @evanward5045
      @evanward5045 3 роки тому +20

      You commented exactly what I and many others were going to comment

    • @S1lentG4mer
      @S1lentG4mer 3 роки тому +10

      I thought this was 3b1b

    • @chrisvinciguerra4128
      @chrisvinciguerra4128 3 роки тому +51

      Well he did make the Python library that this video used for its graphics so yeah that’s a reason why it’s similar

    • @markgross9582
      @markgross9582 3 роки тому +2

      Yeah. The animation styles seem similar too, so they may be using his library

  • @tiff4839
    @tiff4839 4 роки тому +494

    Soo good. You broke down a commonly misunderstood topic in an intuitive and engaging way. I love it!

    • @Reducible
      @Reducible  4 роки тому +28

      Thanks Tiffany! I appreciate it!

  • @robertpoole9258
    @robertpoole9258 3 роки тому +174

    A 3Blue1Brown for computer science. Awesome. This might end up being my favourite channel.

  • @revowolf7413
    @revowolf7413 3 роки тому +158

    I cant understand how youtube isn't recommending these videos. So elegantly explained, and the animations, OMG!

    • @sifsif2725
      @sifsif2725 3 роки тому +4

      It just recommended this to me xD

    • @astphaire
      @astphaire 3 роки тому +1

      I mean his enunciation isn’t great

    • @Warpadable
      @Warpadable 2 роки тому +2

      Well every people watching this had this recommended... You included. Otherwise how did you find it?
      I agree it is awesome though.

  • @klaik30
    @klaik30 3 роки тому +102

    Wow, I actually think 3B1B has created a revolution in how we should think of structuring educational videos. I'm willing to bet that in the near future his visualization program and video structure are going to be used by MANY more people and hopefully even inspire some teachers to use his methods in class.
    Amazing work @Reducible! You should think about doing an "Essence of Computer Science" in the future!

  • @henryroc1969
    @henryroc1969 4 роки тому +42

    Easily some of the best computer science videos on youtube and definitely better than my CS professors :). Thank you for putting in all this work!

  • @saulbeck3398
    @saulbeck3398 3 роки тому +9

    I came to this video with high hopes as you used Manim, yet, I was blown away with how detailed and thorough you were. I paused the video so many times, yet, not only was told what I was thinking, I was told it was normal, to think and ponder on it. I am actually blown away on how you able to teach something so simple that is a basic need for computer scientises in a way that makes me wonder how tf didn't I think of that!

  • @caloz.3656
    @caloz.3656 3 роки тому +4

    this is the on video that finally settled my confusion with asymptotic notations. THANK YOU SO. MUCH. THIS IS INSANELY GOOD AND HIGH-QUALITY!!

  • @TheEndermanMob
    @TheEndermanMob 3 роки тому +34

    I've seen many channels using manim. Beside its creator, this is the most original and really good one.
    I'm trying to have my own channel where a explain my area with other students, and I'm having trouble programing the animations, so I need to say thanks for this beautiful work of yours.

  • @nolanfaught6974
    @nolanfaught6974 3 роки тому +132

    A professor once asked the big O of an algorithm, to which I replied "O(n!^(n!))." He had to admit that I was right, then he rephrased the question as "what is the smallest big-O of the algorithm?" Never forget that a big-O is not necessarily the best bound on an algorithm, just one of many bounds

    • @12-343
      @12-343 2 роки тому +44

      If the answer to the question is really O(n!^n!), I think whoever wrote it is having a very rough time

    • @Magnogen
      @Magnogen 2 роки тому +48

      @@12-343 it's probably my code tbh

    • @wolfranck7038
      @wolfranck7038 2 роки тому +4

      If I'm not mistaken, the "smallest big O" is called big theta !

    • @klobiforpresident2254
      @klobiforpresident2254 2 роки тому +5

      @@wolfranck7038
      Not quite.
      There are O and Omega. Big O is *an* upper bound. Often we mean the smallest (known) upper bound. Similarly Ω is *a* lower bound. Often we mean the largest (known) lower bound.
      When O and Ω are identical then that is called Θ.

    • @wolfranck7038
      @wolfranck7038 2 роки тому +2

      @@klobiforpresident2254 yeah but if you think about it, the "smallest" big O will be of the same order as the function concerned, thus also being big omega, and it will be in big theta
      Because smaller than that would be only big omega and bigger thant that would only be big O
      (It's clearly not a rigorous explanation but can't do much better in a YT comment)

  • @strandedinanisland457
    @strandedinanisland457 3 роки тому +4

    This is so easy to understand....roughly 2 years ago I tried to gather this information on Computational complexity from a big book and ended up understanding very little.

  • @dmitriyogureckiy8292
    @dmitriyogureckiy8292 Рік тому

    the best video about O notation, you bring all together, even lim, cool

  • @alexplastow9496
    @alexplastow9496 Рік тому

    Thanks for the time you put into this video, being able to reduce complex things to something I could explain to a highschool student is thrilling in a nerdy way

  • @mehtubbhai9709
    @mehtubbhai9709 2 роки тому +1

    Best explanation of Big O I have come across!

  • @shubhamsingh-xw3tf
    @shubhamsingh-xw3tf 2 роки тому +1

    Definitely not forgetting Big O notation for a really long time! Excellent video sir! Thanks

  • @sharanphadke4954
    @sharanphadke4954 3 роки тому +3

    just put some thinking pi's and this literally becomes 3blue 1brown video!!! Really great channel

    • @playerscience
      @playerscience 3 роки тому +1

      Exactly!
      He is the 3blue 1brown of Computer science. 😎🔥🔥🔥

  • @codehorse8843
    @codehorse8843 3 роки тому +3

    Thanks these are lifesavers for my current course.

  • @ishikuultra3637
    @ishikuultra3637 3 роки тому +1

    This is the best explanation I've ever seen.

  • @garr_inc
    @garr_inc 3 роки тому +3

    Never was into computer science, but it feels good to finally understand what the notation actually mean after encountering it in my higher-end math classes from time to time. Thank you!

  • @playerscience
    @playerscience 3 роки тому +2

    This is hands down the best explanation of big O notation!!!
    Instantly subscribed to your channel.
    👌👌👌😘😘
    BTW your voice is just like 3blue 1brown!

  • @olanrewajubabalola2322
    @olanrewajubabalola2322 2 роки тому

    BEST VIDIEO ON BIG O NOTATION!!! every other video out there just leaves me more confused. thank you.

  • @discreet_boson
    @discreet_boson 3 роки тому +4

    It would be an understatement to say this channel is underrated

  • @hisyamzayd
    @hisyamzayd 2 роки тому +1

    Love how to find big o with graph explanations.. thank you 😀😀

  • @suzalwakhley5329
    @suzalwakhley5329 2 роки тому

    A very simple and detailed explanation. Thank you very much

  • @chrislam1341
    @chrislam1341 3 роки тому

    by far it is the best explanation after years of search.

  • @BeeshoStudying
    @BeeshoStudying 2 роки тому

    you have the best explanation. thanks for the video

  • @NovaWarrior77
    @NovaWarrior77 3 роки тому +4

    ABSOLUTELY AWESOME I-

  • @HienNguyenHMN
    @HienNguyenHMN 3 роки тому +24

    @14:55 "we can actually use this 'symme-tree' to help us"

  • @skyslasher6267
    @skyslasher6267 2 роки тому

    as a junior in cs right now, in my opinion, this is a must watch for all people trying to get a degree in programming

  • @givrally7634
    @givrally7634 2 роки тому +3

    Now I want big O of big O notation, to group like growth rates together : polynomials, exponentials, and so on.

  • @isabellelindblad2835
    @isabellelindblad2835 3 роки тому +4

    This was amaaaazing

  • @kaleabfetene6258
    @kaleabfetene6258 3 роки тому +1

    Such a great video thank you so much I honestly don’t have enough words to thank you appreciate that

  • @1DInciner
    @1DInciner 2 роки тому +3

    Was expecting several animations about other big O examples, like exponential one.
    It is very interesting to see them in comparison.

  • @lucha6262
    @lucha6262 3 роки тому +2

    What a great video! Thanks so much!

  • @anwarulbashirshuaib5673
    @anwarulbashirshuaib5673 3 роки тому +3

    How come I noticed this masterpiece so late!? Definitely subscribing!

  • @timhansen5468
    @timhansen5468 2 місяці тому

    Thank you for saving my discrete math grade

  • @hiroyukikuwana3105
    @hiroyukikuwana3105 3 роки тому +1

    Hope your channel keeps growing!

  • @ronaldboulder308
    @ronaldboulder308 3 роки тому +3

    I remember this topic being explained in algorithm courses very similarly.

  • @AshutoshKumar-de8wn
    @AshutoshKumar-de8wn 3 роки тому

    I love your videos for accuracy and clear content. Please upload videos on different algorithms and shortest paths.

  • @Bloody_Mary_
    @Bloody_Mary_ 3 роки тому

    Beautiful presentation accompanied with fantastic music of enlightenment!

  • @eamonnsiocain6454
    @eamonnsiocain6454 Рік тому

    Well presented! Thank you.

  • @samuelatienzo4627
    @samuelatienzo4627 2 роки тому

    Jeez I learned more here in 15 mins than a few weeks of my statistics and numerical methods class...

  • @_maus
    @_maus 2 роки тому

    Thank you so much and I really appreciate the video.

  • @isaacfernandez2243
    @isaacfernandez2243 2 роки тому

    Wow, this was incredibly good. Thank you.

  • @snoopy1alpha
    @snoopy1alpha 2 роки тому

    Very well explained! I guess I will quote this video in my next complexity discussion at work :-D

  • @jayantverma6196
    @jayantverma6196 4 роки тому +2

    You are amazing, please upload more videos.

  • @FRANKFIFORM
    @FRANKFIFORM 2 роки тому

    Great video!! I’ve always have doubts about this topic.

  • @blueskyjavelin2289
    @blueskyjavelin2289 3 роки тому +1

    This video helped me alot. Thank you:)

  • @marpin6162
    @marpin6162 3 роки тому +178

    who came from 3blue1brown’s post?

  • @dehilihind2916
    @dehilihind2916 2 роки тому

    thanks for your efforts , I just discovered your channel and it's INCREDIBLY helpful !

  • @hotpushupguy4203
    @hotpushupguy4203 3 роки тому +1

    These are so wonderful - thank you !

  • @weirongwu4964
    @weirongwu4964 3 роки тому +3

    This masterpiece omg thank you so much!

  • @ClearerThanMud
    @ClearerThanMud 2 роки тому +1

    Clearest, most complete Big-O video I've seen. Kudos.
    It looks like you used Grant's manim package to create this. I have been thinking of learning manim so I can create a video giving some insight into why the radix sort is so fast. Work doesn't leave me much time for such pleasures, though; you do such a good job with this, if you are interested I can privately explain the insight so you could make the video if it appeals to you.

  • @erv993
    @erv993 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks so much! You have invaluable content!

  • @Adomas_B
    @Adomas_B 3 роки тому +14

    I keep reading the text in 3blue1brown's voice

  • @kudzem
    @kudzem 2 роки тому +2

    O(2^N) : "Yo, I'm so complex"
    O(N!) : "What was that, punk?"

  • @absolutezero6190
    @absolutezero6190 3 роки тому +16

    I noticed a small error in your video. You typed two quotation marks in LaTeX at 9:59. They are both ending quotation marks. The way to fix this is to use this markup:
    ``this will be surrounded with proper quotation marks when rendered in \LaTeX’’
    Notice that I used two single quotes at the end (‘’) not a double quote (“).

    • @johnmeyers8542
      @johnmeyers8542 2 роки тому +1

      Good catch. Although you missed 'defintiion' spelled with the lesser used two 'i's. Neither latex or other rubberised products will help with that one.

  • @tucan1309
    @tucan1309 3 роки тому

    i didnt come from 3b1b but im suprised at quality of these videos

  • @joaquingutierrez3072
    @joaquingutierrez3072 3 роки тому +1

    I loved this video. Thank you !

  • @Pewpewpew230
    @Pewpewpew230 2 роки тому

    Great work, thanks!

  • @joaofrancisco8864
    @joaofrancisco8864 3 роки тому +2

    So good!

  • @rjmbowie
    @rjmbowie 3 роки тому

    Amazing video! Love the use of manim.

  • @the_cheese_cultist
    @the_cheese_cultist 2 роки тому +3

    you probably should've added O(sqrt n) and O(n!) to your "common running times" list
    since they do appear quite often as well

  • @hamzaich7034
    @hamzaich7034 3 роки тому +2

    Maaaaan this is amazing ♥️♥️♥️

  • @herlusz
    @herlusz 3 роки тому +1

    The second definition is quite understandable

  • @Xxnightwalk1
    @Xxnightwalk1 2 роки тому

    Really instructive, as always
    Keep up the amazing work ;)

  • @nadonadia2521
    @nadonadia2521 2 роки тому

    Great video i love the topics and the way that have been presented may teacher have not your skills, please more videos on running algorithmes programming ideas, thank you, i have subscribed to tthe channel.

  • @CheckmatesSpeedruns
    @CheckmatesSpeedruns 3 роки тому +6

    For the problem at the start, there is a better solution:
    for a in range(n+1):
    for b in range(n-a):
    c = n-b-a
    print(a, b, c)
    Efficiency: O(n²)
    It is still faster than Alice's solution, because instead of (n+1)² operations, this one takes n(n+1)/2, or binomial(n+1, 2) operations.

  • @sbsyr5555
    @sbsyr5555 2 роки тому

    Nicely explained...

  • @ccdavis94303
    @ccdavis94303 3 роки тому +12

    O(?) is deep and important in understanding processes in general, not just computing. Social structures scale in scary ways. Some stuff works great at dining room table scale (N~6), is still functional at the scale of a monastery (N ~ 100) but when they scale to small countries ( N ~ 20MM) let alone large countries ( N ~ 300 MM ) or huge countries ( N ~ 1 Billion) it hits the fan. Central planning for example.
    The Soviets set up an office to make sure everything was fairly priced relative to other stuff. Easy right? But there were N ~ 25 MM items in the economy. So relative fairness is N^2, but everything is fair compared to itself, so N^2 - N. Further comparison is sort of symmetric, so (N^2 -N)/2. Big improvement but when N = 25 MM, O(fair) ~ 312 trillion. Poor aparatchicks. (Tom Sowell cited this case)
    { if a is fair relative to b and b is fair relative to c, is a fair relative to c? How much would this improve things?}

    • @jursamaj
      @jursamaj 2 роки тому

      That argument is obviously fallacious. You don't need to compare the price of every type of watch to every type of car, and every type of bread, etc. The watches only need compared amongst themselves, and to some baseline.

  • @nomi98
    @nomi98 2 роки тому +1

    Glad my teachers taught me well lol.

  • @manamsetty2664
    @manamsetty2664 2 роки тому +1

    The Man.The Myth.The Teacher

  • @JonathanMandrake
    @JonathanMandrake 2 роки тому +2

    As a mathematician, I also have to say that it is easier to find the number of operations made if you try to say what the program does exactly and condensing all the parts that don't really matter to the runtime. For example for this algorithm:
    define f(n):
    f(1)=1
    f(n)=f(n-1)+f(n-1)
    Thus, we have 1+2+4+8+...+2^(n-1)=2^n -1 calls, thus O(2^n) calls, as well as around one addition per call, exactly 2^(n-1) -1, being O(2^n).
    One simple step makes this a linear problem:
    define f(n):
    f(1)=1
    f(n)=2*f(n-1)
    Then, we have n-1 multiplications (being O(n)) and n calls of f (also O(n)).
    But at this point, we can see, that this is a much simpler definition:
    define f(n):
    f(n)=2^n
    Here, we have n-1 multiplications, and 1 call of f, thus we have O(n) multiplications and O(1) calls of the function, making this algorithm much better. And we also have to consider what range of numbers we want to use. It may be great to use a highly complex algorithm for multiplication with an extremely good runtime O(f(n)), but if we only use numbers less than 10^10, it might still be much faster to use the algorithm with the worse O(f(n)) runtime simply because the n is not large enough in this practical application

    • @geradoko
      @geradoko 2 роки тому

      I'm not sure but I think you missed the point. The subject of the video is to explain what O(f(n)) means, not how we can build a better algorithm for a given problem. In this sense, the example is very well-chosen since it is very clear that it's not the best solution to the problem.
      But there is still one thing in your answer which made me remember of times when processors could only add and multiply (in fact they could only shift bytewise :), and that is that an algorithm of class O(n) which calls an exponential function might not be faster than an algorithm of class O(2^n) which uses only addition. But I don't think these questions are still important for coders nowadays.

    • @JonathanMandrake
      @JonathanMandrake 2 роки тому +1

      @@geradoko I do understand the point quite well agtually, but I was trying to note ways to find out what the actual order of runtime is (i. e. condensing unnecessary code, which also helps with cleaning up and improving the code) and why runtime isn't everything, because often enough the n aren't large enough

    • @zapazap
      @zapazap 2 роки тому

      Which illustrates that (by definition) complexity here describes not the problem but the algorithm used to solve it.

    • @JonathanMandrake
      @JonathanMandrake 2 роки тому

      @@zapazap Well, yes and no. If there is an algorithm which has optimal order of operations, then we can say that that problem also has that order. For example, if calculating the n-th term of some specific recursive series is at its best O(n), then we can say that that series has a computational effort of O(n)

    • @zapazap
      @zapazap 2 роки тому +1

      @@JonathanMandrake Yes, you are correct. The very question of P=NP involves problem classes and not merely particular algorithms. Good call.

  • @dwolrdcojp
    @dwolrdcojp 2 роки тому

    I love this channel

  • @knalkayal5014
    @knalkayal5014 4 роки тому +2

    That is a nice video one. Please bring a video on "Space Complexity of an algorithm". Thank you.

  • @jaumm84
    @jaumm84 3 роки тому

    Thanks! I finally undestood it!

  • @КузьменкоІгор-к6ы
    @КузьменкоІгор-к6ы 3 роки тому +1

    At 15:53 table 1->1, 2->2, 3->4, 4->8, 5->16; at 16:15 If n=k, Count = 2^(k-1)= 2^k/2

  • @tal3541
    @tal3541 3 роки тому +6

    There's an inaccuracy in 11:30. If f=O(g) it doesn't necessarily mean that the limit of g(n)/f(n) exists. For example take g(n)=n and f(n) to alternate between n and 2n (for evens and odds). The mathematically correct way to put it is the the liminf of g(n)/f(n) is equal to C which is greater than 0.

    • @willnewman9783
      @willnewman9783 2 роки тому

      Good point, but I still think this is wrong, at least according to his definition.
      By what be says, n should be O(n^2), because n0.

  • @Elite7555
    @Elite7555 3 роки тому +2

    2:00 Mh, that's a really clever way of finding solutions.

  • @shimavalipour5992
    @shimavalipour5992 2 роки тому

    u explained it sooooo goooood, thanks

  • @anasasim3856
    @anasasim3856 3 роки тому

    I want to give you a hug bro!

  • @Starwort
    @Starwort 2 роки тому

    That last example emphasises the importance of caching - caching would reduce the runtime to O(n) worst-case and O(1) best-case (of course, it could also be reduced to O(n) simply by multiplying the recursive result by 2)

  • @diegovasquezrevilla
    @diegovasquezrevilla 3 роки тому

    Great video keep up the good work

  • @abdelbassetlabbi852
    @abdelbassetlabbi852 3 роки тому

    incridible! just continue bro

  • @mychannel-te5ke
    @mychannel-te5ke 3 роки тому +14

    11:45 It's not really true that there should be such a limit. It may not exist. For example g(n) / f(n) may by 1 for even n's and 2 for odd n's. So there's no limit in this case.
    Even more. It's true that for f(n) = n and g(n) = n^2 it's true that n = O(n^2). But g(n) / f(n) = n has no limit.

    • @diegocfq
      @diegocfq 3 роки тому +2

      Yeah, it's supposed to be lim sup instead of just lim and an absolute value operator should be applied on the numerator of that fraction.

    • @DavidPysnik
      @DavidPysnik 3 роки тому +1

      How would lim sup help Сергей Обритаев's example? if f(n) = n and g(n) = n^2, the limit as n goes to infinity of g(n)/f(n) would not exist because it goes to infinity, so the lim sup of this expression going to infinity would also not exist. Even with lim sup in that definition shown at 11:45, it doesn't allow n = O(n^2) as the original definition does, so
      Сергей Обритаев's criticism does not seem fixed.

    • @johnmcleodvii
      @johnmcleodvii 2 роки тому +1

      O notation does not require that the function has a strict limit in the terms that calculus does. If odd numbers for input are one growth in n and even numbers are something other growth in n, the O notation would be for the faster growing one. So in the example where odd numbers had linear growth and even numbers had n² growth, the O notation would be O(n²).
      Off the top of my head, I can think of no algorithms that have significantly different behaviors for even and odd n.

  • @cross_roadz
    @cross_roadz 3 роки тому +1

    If only I saw this before my discrete mathematics exam

  • @mikesolo7993
    @mikesolo7993 2 роки тому

    I bring up BigO at work and people's eyes glaze over. I've stopped trying to explain, but damn with this video I think anyone could understand it!

  • @georgeharrisonOK
    @georgeharrisonOK 3 роки тому

    Good video, keep up the good work!!

  • @co9681
    @co9681 3 роки тому

    Man manim is awesome

  • @danser_theplayer01
    @danser_theplayer01 10 місяців тому

    The O notation which drops only small +- values but keeps /* and ^ values is going to tell you the overall time an algorithm will take to run given n input size. E.g. O(n/45) is clearly 45 times faster than O(n).
    The O notation simplified will tell you the way your algorithm time scales in relation to n input size. E.g. both O(n/45) and O(n) will scale linearly, in the first case every 2 input will need 2/45 (rounded to 1) "operations" to execute, and it's not going to suddenly scale quadratically where for every 2 input you'll need 4 "operations".

  • @tamptus3479
    @tamptus3479 3 роки тому +3

    What is difficult with this Definition? We do not define O(f) but we define =O(f) the Equal Sign has now no longer the meaning "equal". Example if f = O(g) and h = O(g) then f and h may not equal. if the = has the meaning "equal" O(f) have to be a function, but this is not the case.

    • @perrydimes6915
      @perrydimes6915 3 роки тому +2

      You're right, it is better to think about it as set inclusion. If you know anything about set theory, this is the "is in" or "is an element of" or simply ∈. So we would say f ∈ O(g), and h ∈ O(g). I believe this is the single biggest issue with understanding, because we're using an equals sign for something that is NOT equality. O(g) is a set. f, g, and h are all functions.

  • @matthewcrunk4165
    @matthewcrunk4165 2 роки тому

    Oh I thought this was 3blue1brown but with an odd accent.
    Great video, might I recommend making your visual style a tiny bit more distinct.
    Since honestly its great to have a thing that makes your channel stand out a bit.
    Like I think you even picked the same font, unless Im mistaken

  • @danser_theplayer01
    @danser_theplayer01 10 місяців тому +1

    You missed a O(√n) class, which also can be written as O(n^0.5). There is a thing where in the worst case scenario the algorithm will take at most √n "operations" to finish, for any given n, doesn't matter if it's 1 thousand n or 95 billion billion n.
    (Technically there's also one with √(n)/2 but they're in the same scaling class)
    Since nobody seems to be mentioning it anywhere I've decided to call it "rooted" running time class.
    And the use case isn't that uncommon, it's meant to substitute a 2d array to tradeoff lookup time for common insertions/deletions.

  • @kopiking352
    @kopiking352 2 роки тому

    The best !!!

  • @moonst6020
    @moonst6020 3 роки тому

    I am here to cry over my upcoming tests🙂

  • @thesonluong3982
    @thesonluong3982 3 роки тому +5

    The first definition in 07:36 seems kinda wrong, because when f(x) = 3x^2+5x+4, O(f(x)) can be equal to x^3, x^4... and it will still hold true. The second definition is true tho.

  • @kakizakichannel
    @kakizakichannel 2 роки тому

    It's showtime!

  • @joelflanagan7132
    @joelflanagan7132 2 роки тому

    Cool video.

  • @MuradBeybalaev
    @MuradBeybalaev 3 роки тому +3

    Your passing explanation of machine dependence is incorrect.
    It's not about a supercomputer being faster. That wouldn't affect the plot shape.
    It's that different machines can have varying instruction execution costs AND we generally speak of multitasking execution environments that can dynamically tailor performance mid-execution.

  • @tobormax
    @tobormax 2 роки тому +1

    “It’s Showtime!”