I went balls deep on Trilogy here because I'm tired of seeing people post certificates that hold almost no value, and then wonder why they don't get a job or interviews. Certificates will only get you laughed at internally by a company, unless maybe it's AWS or IT or Devops related. Your certificate from a online course doesn't matter. Put it on your fridge next to your macaroni noodle post card from kindergarten. I keep seeing people get baited into trilogy thinking it's the university. It's NOT! I'm aware it's not super corporate cringe; I'm using this series specifically today, to leverage my traffic and not let others get jebaited. What IS cringe is that every time someone says I went to University of X bootcamp. No, you didn't you went to Trilogy and the University TOOK MONEY TO LET TRILOGY stamp their logo on it. Anyway I'm sorry if that part was long. Just trying to help someone out there since I have alot of traffic right now. Help me get to 100k! Leave a comment and lemme know what you wanna see.
I'm not even looking to get into software engineering but I'm loving these videos bro. I'm still a college student and this series ESPECIALLY hits home with all the stuff I see going on at the career fair lol. Glad I'm not the only one thinking this!
I remember a senior developer who once told me...he is more than happy to give a chance to anyone who really interested in coding and can put together something as simple as a basic calculator but soon as the applicants start waving around their w3School and udemy certificates he stops the interview immediately and kick them out...
15000? I can get a Bachelor's degree and a Master's degree for that kind of money. I can get it at the University of Amsterdam, which is in the top 60 universities in the world.
I mean, my university was 1k a year (for 3 years), and thats only if you fail some exams, if you pass everything its free. And it was also in the top 100 for CS.
I'm watching this and just noticing that you hit 200K!! You deserve it Bro!! Thanks for sharing your experiences and your insight...this is going to help a lot when I transition from my current job.
I'm just an amateur hobbyist but from what I have seen what the best thing to do no matter what route you go is to build a solid portfolio of things you can do. Things that show you can produce solutions to problems... oh and lie on your resume about years of experience...a professional career development firm once told me all that matters is getting your butt in that interview and being able to show your worth 2 shits.
I completely agree on that take, which is why i'm doing this myself and self-educating myself by solving problems in my day to day life and automating things. However, when I watch this video something just popped in my head when he mentioned, "Anyone could have gotten that certificate, there is no proof to show you really did anything." With that, I wonder with how software development is, how can people prove that they really did the work they are showing on their portfolio and all of the projects? I know that most of us on here have used many libraries, functions, and various other tools that other people have made or ported, but that was not really our work. So how do you show that you were really the one who made all of your projects? Like, couldn't I technically go on Github right now, copy & paste all the files from some random project, slap those files onto my blog/portfolio page and claim that I made this project? Especially with some of these more oblivious companies, who in these cases would be inclined to check the legitimacy of these projects? I know that programming is not about coding, but about solving problems for different situations, that is why libraries and various things Online are used as tools to solve those problems, then you are the one who finds a use for said tool to solve a specific problem, but how can I show or prove that I did any projects that I eventually plan on putting in a portfolio?
@@Lynx-eq7qx Exactly, as well as the fact that they are CONSTANTLY lying to their potential employees, fuck these companies, lie as much as you can get away with.
I fell for this trilogy scam, I thought I would be job ready in six months and the certificate meant something. By the time I learned the hustle.... it was too late. Since it ended in January I have had to teach myself how to gitgud... *cries
Dude, I fell for it too!! Did you finish the program? Did it get you anywhere? I feel that all I did was just rush through 6 months of copying shit I read on the internet, and theres so much damn curriculum that I never have time to enjoy anything or actually learn what I"m doing! I mean I learned a lot for sure, but I learned it all on my own! Why did I pay 10000, if I just learned how to do this all on my own researching on Google!
Trilogy even makes it difficult to find any reviews on their bootcamps. It’s almost impossible to find reviews for them regardless of the school they partnered with.
Me asking to regular people who think they can code: "What do you use to promote your work?" Their answer: "LinkedIn" Me asking actual programmers: "What do you use to promote your work?" Their answer: "Github"
Dima Noizinfected Hey! I didn’t see this reply until now. The issue with LinkedIn is that most of the things they write on their profiles aren’t verified. For example, I say that I code in swift but the reality is that I’ve taken say 1 Udemy swift course but haven’t programmed a single iOS app.
"...we are a very interesting group of people...." This is a pet peeve for me nowadays where certain types of companies seem to be trying to recruit extrovert, fun, life of the party, 'hip and trendy' people. Of course, 'hip and trendy' = higher productivity/better problem solving skills, right? Companies can hire who they wish to obviously, but for some reason this kind of recruiting really irks me.
hip and trendy means most of the time spent partying and chatting and only a little on actual work.. people aren't there for the company but for fun, benefits and the city it's in
@@RobertLinthicum i once heard about someone who was wordy and extrovert being hired for a job that required quite a lot of driving.....long story short they found out the person can't drive on day 1
@@leonalex7282 No suprise. At many of these companies (AWS case and point), I wonder if people aren't paid by word count. Many meetings seem to be more high-speed talking competitions than collaborations.
Extroverts are bad problem solvers who create overly complicated stuff. Big companies want extroverts because it's so easy to manipulate them and force them to act like you want. Corporate culture in nutshell. Conformism at it's finest.
I totally agree with the whole Udemy type certificates thing. That's why I don't even mention Udemy courses in my portfolio even though I'm about to complete my third one. Instead, I just have the course project repos on my github and actually use what I learn to build better portfolios.
@@TheUtuber999: It really isn't, hence the joke and why it's funny. There is no similarity whatsoever between JavaScript and C. PHP is closer to C than JavaScript...in fact, it was written in C. Even at the paradigm level, there is no similarity between the two, as C is procedural whilst JS is prototypical/object-based. It's impossible to salvage the comment.
THIS CHANNEL is growing fast! As it should be. people are out there being scanned with colleges allowing a back door to getting a “degree” look alike that holds NO value in the work force!
That girl "are you looking for a job? 'Cuz this is a job post!" Almost made me cry, I don't know if from cringeing or laughing so hard :D Joshua, you are awesome. Thank you for these gems and for speaking my mind out loud! Sometimes I feel like I am crazy, as everyone seems to be buying on the corporate blsht. Love your videos !
I just completed a Coding Bootcamp through a coding school (not through a unversity) and I'm going to post the certificate, but mostly because I'm proud of it and my hard work. It's just a step in my professional path I guess?
Maybe I got lucky but I gotta say I’m currently attending a part-time Trilogy Bootcamp in California and I’m EXTREMELY happy with it. They definitely do not short you on material. I’ve learned so much. Definitely wouldn’t have been able to learn this much on my own. Many of us show up early, stay late, and get caught up on certain subjects we may be struggling with at that time. They also online tutoring available to Trilogy students. They have career assistance. Basically a career assistant person gets assigned to you and guides you along the way in building up your resume/portfolio etc. I understand they may not offer a “guarantee” but at the same time I can see why. Especially after attending the course. Some people don’t want to put in as much as others. It comes down to self efficacy. If you come here ready and motivated to learn they really do provide with all the tools you need and more. And I love our TA’s. We also started attending meetups outside of the program to network and learn more after being encourage by our TA and one of the leaders of the nonprofit group stopped by our class to invite us. One more point, there a couple different people I follow on UA-cam who’ve attended the Trilogy Bootcamps and said great things about them. They’re pretty much a big reason I ended up giving it a shot. I was aware of your critique of them before I started attending but unless I’m mistaken you have never attended the Bootcamp. So I “gambled” and went with their opinions. And I’m sincerely happy I did 😁 Anyways, I enjoy your videos and will continue to follow you. You’re hilarious and offer great advice. We only differ on opinions of Trilogy but I will follow you regardless because people are going to have different opinions right? 😁 Take care
Thanks bro; I don’t know you and I’m not a software engineer or web developer. However, I am 100% grateful for your slick way of breaking down this content. I’m not about being bamboozled in the tech industry but understand I need to leverage it as a entrepreneur. Talent is hard to find and you’re giving me a a small but necessary look into a mind of someone in your position.
I have a degree which says I'm a qualified engineer in Electronics and Communication Engineering. I know shit about engineering. Don't have a degree/certificate in Design but I know a lot more about design than engineering.
The more you know in one field, the more you know you don't know shit. And also, the amateurs think they know a lot about one field. Read Dunning-Kruger effect. Just saying.
For me it's literally the other way around. Problem is, Without a masters degree in engineering nobody trusts you to do engineering. As a bachelor I literally have to search for back-end or embedded systems jobs, in-between a pile of front-end tasks. Then I have to hope that the company wants to hire me. When I am hired there is a big chance some 'graduate know it all' will micromanage me, forcing me to (secretly) create two branches of the project I am working on. One branch his way to keep the piece, a second branch my way to create something functional, stable and clean... In the end the 'know it all' douche will claim it was his idea all along to do it that way.
Love these, keep them up. Sadly, like many it seems, I thoroughly enjoy writing software but the corporate side of the industry is getting unbearable with this shit. Remote ftw!
I paid 8K total for my college degree in software engineering. Felt like i didnt really need it but so many jobs here actuslly just straight up require it...
Im in a bootcamp ran by trilogy right now and I tell my classmates that we dont attend the school that its being held at. Besides that I’m learning a lot from this bootcamp.
Man you really got 100K subs this summer. Previously I thought its not possible but you did it congratulations 🎉. Certification is important but either way recruiters are going to thoroughly test your Technical skills in Technical aptitude , Technical Face to Face interview so in the end Certification does not make that impact. I think most valuable thing would be Project because they ask lot of things on Project itself. You should keep making these videos because lot of people get disappointed in life because " Expectations vs Reality ".
I noticed you mentioned how lifeless everybody seems when they work at a corporation. The word corporation comes from the Latin root “corpus” which is referring to a dead body. This is why corporations are soulless and are terrible. Just found your channel, I’m not even a programmer but i must say I share a lot of your opinions.
Well, I think it's actually referring to where we get the word body from. Like the word Corps. As in a "body" of workers. But your logic and interpretation actually fits nicely today and isn't technically wrong.
All these corporate cringe videos are depressing; I just graduated and am job searching and this is what I have to look forward to? Micromanagement and distraction built into offices and they try to pretend to be fun like it's a cult or something...
This channel is growing quite fast indeed, thanks for your effort ❤ And I would be delighted to hear from you about freelance in development field, I mean the digital freelance not the one in the real world, keep it up joshua👍
Dude this video just saved my financials. THANK YOU. Seriously thank you. Was SOOOO Close to finalizing my enrollment into a "Coding Bootcamp" at my local community college (CPCC in Charlotte if curious) and lo and behold, when I went to their webpage about it, ctrl+F "Trilogy" right down at the bottom in tiny lettering at the veeeery end of the page "Powered by Trilogy.." Saved my ass there friend, I was told just studying hard and getting Certs is the way to go.
CINDERS: FYI MS just announced 400+ jobs coming to CLT...go get 'em, kid...spectrumlocalnews.com/nc/charlotte/news/2019/10/25/microsoft-to-bring-400--jobs-to-charlotte
Wait wait wait, did I read that correctly, $10,500 for that Utah bootcamp?! Wow, yeah, if all you get for that is an introductory "...and this is what the 'button' tag does, and this is how you commit a change on github..." Just wow. I just recently completed a series of MITx courses to just fill up my CV a bit, and those were like $100 a pop *with* college credit.
Buddy its WAY more than introductory. You get a lot of advanced knowledge the program is not easy at all!!! You also get employment services, 1on1 meetings, screenshare meetings, and resume writing assistance and at the end you have an entire portfolio that you built! If you can afford it theres nothing wrong with this and
What do you think about Coursera, IBM, Edx Certificates. Can we mention them on resume? some of them have assignments that you have to submit to get a passing grade.
I'm 5 months into a 6 month part-time Trilogy bootcamp at Georgia Tech. I knew going into it the bootcamp was a Trilogy/GT partnership deal. I chose it mainly because of the location and the schedule, I have a full-time job. I've learned more in the last few months than I have in the last few years trying to go the self-taught route. I paid a lot for the bootcamp, so I'm putting a lot of effort into it. I've had a great experience with this bootcamp and I would recommend it to anyone that's thinking of attending a part-time in class bootcamp. I really enjoy your videos and I'm glad your channel is taking off. Keep up the great work!
So close to 100k Josh (98k at the making of this comment) I remember seeing you at 10k and you’re one of the big influencers of me going back to school (Lambda School) and Going down this career path. Best of luck to you!
Noisy glassy place (lots of "fun" and less work) is more like a Pub than a meditative environment for a work.... than I understand why so expensive these companies....
Hey Joshua, what do you think of certificates by Microsoft, Oracle etc. certifying expertise in their technologies and products? Are they smt to put on linkedin profile or just another cringe to avoid?
You have to take tests and be held accountable and get certain grades in certain classes. Theres a process. Certificate = *mark as complete & recieve certificate*
@@JoshuaFluke1 A lot of the people at my university Chegg all of their homework, cheat on the tests with their Apple watches, and are only in college just so they can say they got a degree without really knowing the material. I would argue to some extent that people who got certificates may know the material better than someone with a degree because it shows that the person actually wanted to learn the material and or decided to learn it themselves. I think certifications (as opposed to certificates and degrees) and personal projects are the best indicators of knowledge that someone has. By the way, love your videos and content. Keep it up.
@@CameronCobb maybe some but a majority of people dont know the material. Clicking 'next chapter' until you get to the end and get your 'certificate' of completion doesnt mean comprehension. Alot of people legit think it holds weight. The only that matters imo is a portfolio and your ability to defend it and do the code tests companies give you.
Joshua Fluke I completely agree with the portfolio and the ability to defend your skills with a coding interview. I think just getting the interview is the harder part. In my opinion, I think the value that employers will put on a college degree to determine whether if you actually know programming and your data structures and algorithms will decreases in the future. I think better indicators will shift towards weather if you have coding boot camps, projects, or completed courses on your resume/portfolio as opposed to a degree.
You a very right, my man. Modern college is a complete joke in terms of proving that the student has actually done or learned anything, it's all about just getting the money out of their pockets.
I am on the tail end of one of those coding boot camps for data analytics and I've learned an insane amount. I'm a working professional and I pretty consistently have used code blocks that they have provided me with in my day to day at work. I personally would strongly recommend it despite the cost. Also it's not an online course, it's six months 3 days a week with only 4 allowed absences throughout the course. Maybe that's just my branch or whatever but that's my take.
The place I worked at last for System Administration was a little loud at times, mostly because the company is mostly young 20 year olds guys. They did get their jobs done and efficiently but I think the best part about the place was how friendly they were at the office and the fact that they value privacy... so we all had standard office walls which we could set up however we wanted. I miss that place.
I see people post bootcamp certificates that aren’t from a university too. I’m sure a lot of people know that it’s not the same as a degree. They’re just proud that they did a thing. That said, I’m doing a bootcamp and couldn’t care less about the certificate or the “graduation” I just want structured learning, mentorship, and connections to get my foot in the door because I feel like I’m in “tutorial purgatory” learning lots of bits of info but not really knowing what to do with all of it
Lol I’m in trilogy at Rutgers University. Honestly I’m amazed with how much I have learned in the last almost 3 months now. Soon we will be learning MongoDB and React.js. Yeah I could have learned it for free, but being in an environment where you are not alone in the struggle and the resources from the TAs and teachers to ask for help would have been hard to find on your own. I landed an interview this week. All in all I think it’s a great investment if your willing to understand the concepts and not just imitate and skate by and not retain any of the info. But that also goes for any school in general. Jobs seekers are interested in knowledge not degrees
I never said anything about the curriculumn. Sure youll learn alot. But the business model is trash and their leaning on colleges as a marketing tactic is cheeky at best.
The certificate thing. I have a school in graphic design and I have seen companies requiring a udemy graphic design course to consider designers... Its so dumb
Kind of scummy that's a complete rip off. I can attest to the value of having earned online certificates. I got 2 linked-in certificates and Udemy certificate which costed me like $30. During the process of phone screenings and interviews I've never been asked once about the certificates only my registered license as a pharmacy tech.That is legally required most of the time to even be considered and cost me $110 fingerprint, and the application. That's not anywhere near $15,000 of essentially worthless virtual certification and on your resume words.
Question for you: I'm currently studying for comp sci through traditional scholastic means. I'm already determined that I'll probably just be in school forever even after I get an official degree and a nice tech job. Generally in other fields, you have various certificates you can study for and earn to get more money. In this video you were clearly showing what certificates to not get, but what are some specific certificates that would complement a CS degree?
The only job security you will find is a gov job, if you can get one at all. Seems the gov has been almost completely undermined by other countries and corrupt groups.
So certificates are not good in the USA? In Europe it's a very standard way of advancing professionally, things like Cisco and Microsoft certifications are great.
There are some very valid certifications. As you mentioned Cisco. Same as red hat. But in the USA it has become a business on itself. My point is Cisco will back up that certification. But private boot camps certifications are worthless most times.
@@JMS_Hunter here it's also common to have boot camps that are structured to prepare for a specific certification, like I did some for A+ hardware that was super good even if I never actually did the cert
How did you find out about Trilogy? That is so scummy, especially since it's not even mentioned on the certificate itself. It's basically a diploma mill run by actual colleges. Now this interest in coding bootcamp "graduates" makes sense to me if there's a startup like Trilogy looking to make a buck from desperate students trying to stand out in the job market. (Sorry, I mean "disrupt the education sector", obv.). I've heard some companies have given preferential treatment to bootcamp graduates due to them affiliating themselves with it. If everyone's getting a piece of the money pie, this seems extremely sketchy and probably legally gray...
I applied to a C++ job in Sydney and the recruiter called me in a couple of days. She was quite polite at the beginning, but what I didn't like was she kept judging my projects based on the 'number of lines of code'.. I had a few projects in my resume and everytime I tried to explain what the project was, she would cut me in between and ask how many lines of code the whole project contained.. I gave a rough number and judging by her reaction, I guess it was too low. Didn't get the job.
OMG, that stupid dancing at 7:30 alone by that lady would make me want to get up out of my desk there and say "F it! I'm outta here. I quit this phoney place".
I actually did one of this bootcamp from trilogy with Uni of Manchester. It worked out well for us as most of us manage to find a job in the sector with me working in dev for 3 years now
Super interesting about Trilogy - I got recruitment attempts from GW University's version to TA right after I finished my undergrad and it sounded super shady - good to know the background (Yeah... Trilogy).
Real talk on the certificates. They can be a good compliment to other things, degree/exp/other certificates. However, that industry has some real sleaze going on. Curious how much the school's hold the certificate companies accountable as far as curriculum and preparedness. Seeing how much some of those certificates cost, just get your associate's degree. May not be a bachelors, but itll carry more weight with employers and you have a headstart with college credits if you decide to continue on later for your bachelor degree.
Although certain certificates can have value. I agree with the overall messege since most are scams or not officially recognized as having value but if you are doing a certificate from windows, Cisco, etc. There is value behind it and you can become specialised by using them.
i like that the recruiters don’t know shit about my jobs because i drop jargons in the interview that i don’t even know !!!! works 100% all the time!!!!!! its all about how you sell urself!!!
2:15 This is basically a clever marketing ploy by the bootcamp that is issuing these certificates. They can give people a false impression that the person that earned the certificate has obtained something that looks authentic like a full-blown college degree would. So the bootcamp is basically treating people like pretend-college graduates. The colleges also have to be getting something out of allowing their identity to be lifted by these bootcamp companies.
I went balls deep on Trilogy here because I'm tired of seeing people post certificates that hold almost no value, and then wonder why they don't get a job or interviews. Certificates will only get you laughed at internally by a company, unless maybe it's AWS or IT or Devops related. Your certificate from a online course doesn't matter. Put it on your fridge next to your macaroni noodle post card from kindergarten. I keep seeing people get baited into trilogy thinking it's the university. It's NOT! I'm aware it's not super corporate cringe; I'm using this series specifically today, to leverage my traffic and not let others get jebaited. What IS cringe is that every time someone says I went to University of X bootcamp. No, you didn't you went to Trilogy and the University TOOK MONEY TO LET TRILOGY stamp their logo on it. Anyway I'm sorry if that part was long. Just trying to help someone out there since I have alot of traffic right now. Help me get to 100k! Leave a comment and lemme know what you wanna see.
hi i have an interview after 2 days can u please help me it's my first interview.
@@omarelkhatib150 glassdoor.com
please make a playlist with all these corporate cringe videos
Slap your nuts on the table to establish dominance
@@ravenecho2410 confirmed. Also be sure to growl.
HTML: **exists**
CEO: is that web design?
Unicorn Manager: is that a potato?
Business Wizard: where is Jira?
rofl
man this comment is top shelf.
If it wasn't in a jira ticket, did it ever even get done? Does it exist?
HTML: Am I a joke to you?
karens understandings 😜
This is clearly a guy who doesn't give a shit anymore about going back to the corporate world
He really doesn't
Liked then disliked because of nice number of likes already
I'm not even looking to get into software engineering but I'm loving these videos bro.
I'm still a college student and this series ESPECIALLY hits home with all the stuff I see going on at the career fair lol.
Glad I'm not the only one thinking this!
how is it going so far?
I remember a senior developer who once told me...he is more than happy to give a chance to anyone who really interested in coding and can put together something as simple as a basic calculator but soon as the applicants start waving around their w3School and udemy certificates he stops the interview immediately and kick them out...
15000? I can get a Bachelor's degree and a Master's degree for that kind of money. I can get it at the University of Amsterdam, which is in the top 60 universities in the world.
Yeah.
University is much more expensive than that in America. To attend a good university near me for a Bachelor's can be around $200,000.
I mean, my university was 1k a year (for 3 years), and thats only if you fail some exams, if you pass everything its free. And it was also in the top 100 for CS.
@@Bralkor That's crazy. How does the university afford to stay open without charging anything?
@@steamaccount3442 -Yeah, I just went to a crappy state university and it still cost $65,000.
I'm watching this and just noticing that you hit 200K!!
You deserve it Bro!! Thanks for sharing your experiences and your insight...this is going to help a lot when I transition from my current job.
I'm just an amateur hobbyist but from what I have seen what the best thing to do no matter what route you go is to build a solid portfolio of things you can do. Things that show you can produce solutions to problems... oh and lie on your resume about years of experience...a professional career development firm once told me all that matters is getting your butt in that interview and being able to show your worth 2 shits.
I completely agree on that take, which is why i'm doing this myself and self-educating myself by solving problems in my day to day life and automating things. However, when I watch this video something just popped in my head when he mentioned, "Anyone could have gotten that certificate, there is no proof to show you really did anything." With that, I wonder with how software development is, how can people prove that they really did the work they are showing on their portfolio and all of the projects? I know that most of us on here have used many libraries, functions, and various other tools that other people have made or ported, but that was not really our work. So how do you show that you were really the one who made all of your projects?
Like, couldn't I technically go on Github right now, copy & paste all the files from some random project, slap those files onto my blog/portfolio page and claim that I made this project? Especially with some of these more oblivious companies, who in these cases would be inclined to check the legitimacy of these projects? I know that programming is not about coding, but about solving problems for different situations, that is why libraries and various things Online are used as tools to solve those problems, then you are the one who finds a use for said tool to solve a specific problem, but how can I show or prove that I did any projects that I eventually plan on putting in a portfolio?
Lying is the best thing you’ll do at this point. Neither the recruiters, HR, and most often the hiring managers will know any better.
@@Lynx-eq7qx Exactly, as well as the fact that they are CONSTANTLY lying to their potential employees, fuck these companies, lie as much as you can get away with.
Maybe you can make some coding tutorial videos as proof you have that qualification
@@arwahsapi Right Track!!
I fell for this trilogy scam, I thought I would be job ready in six months and the certificate meant something. By the time I learned the hustle.... it was too late. Since it ended in January I have had to teach myself how to gitgud... *cries
You should see my hate mail from all the salty trilogy people.
lmao Josh your doing a great job!
Joshua Fluke you should post the hate mail! I’m curious to see what they said
Dude, I fell for it too!! Did you finish the program? Did it get you anywhere? I feel that all I did was just rush through 6 months of copying shit I read on the internet, and theres so much damn curriculum that I never have time to enjoy anything or actually learn what I"m doing! I mean I learned a lot for sure, but I learned it all on my own! Why did I pay 10000, if I just learned how to do this all on my own researching on Google!
@@mcren6781 Honestly they just prepared you for the actual dev experience. It's just researching obscure configuration problems on Google.
I definitely want a cert from you when I complete a course.
You can write it in crayon and I *will* put it on my fridge.
I'll even give you a magnet
@@JoshuaFluke1 you should send one to everyone who watches this series up to episode 10 and name us CBSCEs (corporate bullshit & cringe experts)
@@JoshuaFluke1 I'd like to have one too.
Hands down the ONLY guy in IT that’s keeps this industry 💯 everyone else is playing “Corporate”
Trilogy even makes it difficult to find any reviews on their bootcamps. It’s almost impossible to find reviews for them regardless of the school they partnered with.
Me asking to regular people who think they can code: "What do you use to promote your work?"
Their answer: "LinkedIn"
Me asking actual programmers: "What do you use to promote your work?"
Their answer: "Github"
Why not both? Why not all of them?
Exactly github is the place to check whether someone is good or not
Dima Noizinfected Hey! I didn’t see this reply until now. The issue with LinkedIn is that most of the things they write on their profiles aren’t verified.
For example, I say that I code in swift but the reality is that I’ve taken say 1 Udemy swift course but haven’t programmed a single iOS app.
"My brain is totally unreliable"
Well, madame, your cam is even more unreliable
"...we are a very interesting group of people...."
This is a pet peeve for me nowadays where certain types of companies seem to be trying to recruit extrovert, fun, life of the party, 'hip and trendy' people. Of course, 'hip and trendy' = higher productivity/better problem solving skills, right?
Companies can hire who they wish to obviously, but for some reason this kind of recruiting really irks me.
hip and trendy means most of the time spent partying and chatting and only a little on actual work.. people aren't there for the company but for fun, benefits and the city it's in
Behavioral interviewing methods (such as the AWS "loop") absolutely favor extroverted and wordy people, for any role.
@@RobertLinthicum i once heard about someone who was wordy and extrovert being hired for a job that required quite a lot of driving.....long story short they found out the person can't drive on day 1
@@leonalex7282 No suprise. At many of these companies (AWS case and point), I wonder if people aren't paid by word count. Many meetings seem to be more high-speed talking competitions than collaborations.
Extroverts are bad problem solvers who create overly complicated stuff. Big companies want extroverts because it's so easy to manipulate them and force them to act like you want. Corporate culture in nutshell. Conformism at it's finest.
"We are opening offices globally and we are a very small team."
Walking in to random peoples' offices all over the globe and opening them up before being chased away, maybe?
I totally agree with the whole Udemy type certificates thing. That's why I don't even mention Udemy courses in my portfolio even though I'm about to complete my third one. Instead, I just have the course project repos on my github and actually use what I learn to build better portfolios.
Man i can't handle the cringe from that lady dancing on edm music man its just too much what was going on her mind smh!
Correct!
It seemed so scripted and robotic, I could see right through it
> what was going on her mind
"Man, I really don't want to get fired. Better dance for peanuts!"
Linkedin users be like: "I fired myself and here is why..."
This channel is absolutely bound to blow up. Keep up the phenom work!
How do these videos not have millions of views... finally someone calling out the BS! More power to you sir. Well done.
`"That's basically C right?" - man, I loled so hard at that
I've been in this kind of situation when I applied for one role and they assumed that I am unity dev
I was not feeling it
Syntactically, JavaScript is more similar to C than any other language, so the guy who said that was making a fairly reasonable assumption.
Emiel Kollof I mean... it looks like C if you don’t know anything
@@TheUtuber999: It really isn't, hence the joke and why it's funny. There is no similarity whatsoever between JavaScript and C. PHP is closer to C than JavaScript...in fact, it was written in C. Even at the paradigm level, there is no similarity between the two, as C is procedural whilst JS is prototypical/object-based. It's impossible to salvage the comment.
Syntactically, it's virtually identical to C, apart from pointers. I stand by my previous statement.
A nice video will be reading recruiters messages in LinkedIn, where they say things that make you vomit
Most of it is some copy paste and irrelevant hashtags.
THIS CHANNEL is growing fast! As it should be. people are out there being scanned with colleges allowing a back door to getting a “degree” look alike that holds NO value in the work force!
That girl "are you looking for a job? 'Cuz this is a job post!" Almost made me cry, I don't know if from cringeing or laughing so hard :D Joshua, you are awesome. Thank you for these gems and for speaking my mind out loud! Sometimes I feel like I am crazy, as everyone seems to be buying on the corporate blsht. Love your videos !
Recruiter career path.
Mobile Phone Store - > Call Center Agent - > Recruiter
Happy birthday in advance bro, mine is July 14th 🥊.
Oh thanks, same to you!
I just completed a Coding Bootcamp through a coding school (not through a unversity) and I'm going to post the certificate, but mostly because I'm proud of it and my hard work. It's just a step in my professional path I guess?
15k? Bro, I would rather get a masters in information management, cyber security, or ERP, supply chain, or similar. Good job calling this out Josh.
Maybe I got lucky but I gotta say I’m currently attending a part-time Trilogy Bootcamp in California and I’m EXTREMELY happy with it. They definitely do not short you on material. I’ve learned so much. Definitely wouldn’t have been able to learn this much on my own. Many of us show up early, stay late, and get caught up on certain subjects we may be struggling with at that time. They also online tutoring available to Trilogy students.
They have career assistance. Basically a career assistant person gets assigned to you and guides you along the way in building up your resume/portfolio etc.
I understand they may not offer a “guarantee” but at the same time I can see why. Especially after attending the course. Some people don’t want to put in as much as others. It comes down to self efficacy. If you come here ready and motivated to learn they really do provide with all the tools you need and more. And I love our TA’s. We also started attending meetups outside of the program to network and learn more after being encourage by our TA and one of the leaders of the nonprofit group stopped by our class to invite us.
One more point, there a couple different people I follow on UA-cam who’ve attended the Trilogy Bootcamps and said great things about them. They’re pretty much a big reason I ended up giving it a shot. I was aware of your critique of them before I started attending but unless I’m mistaken you have never attended the Bootcamp. So I “gambled” and went with their opinions. And I’m sincerely happy I did 😁
Anyways, I enjoy your videos and will continue to follow you. You’re hilarious and offer great advice. We only differ on opinions of Trilogy but I will follow you regardless because people are going to have different opinions right? 😁
Take care
HAPPY BIRTHDAY JOSH! Thanks for all your insightful content : )
"Some ux will know how to use ui" 😂😂
Thanks bro; I don’t know you and I’m not a software engineer or web developer. However, I am 100% grateful for your slick way of breaking down this content.
I’m not about being bamboozled in the tech industry but understand I need to leverage it as a entrepreneur. Talent is hard to find and you’re giving me a a small but necessary look into a mind of someone in your position.
I have a degree which says I'm a qualified engineer in Electronics and Communication Engineering. I know shit about engineering. Don't have a degree/certificate in Design but I know a lot more about design than engineering.
The more you know in one field, the more you know you don't know shit. And also, the amateurs think they know a lot about one field. Read Dunning-Kruger effect. Just saying.
For me it's literally the other way around.
Problem is, Without a masters degree in engineering nobody trusts you to do engineering.
As a bachelor I literally have to search for back-end or embedded systems jobs, in-between a pile of front-end tasks.
Then I have to hope that the company wants to hire me.
When I am hired there is a big chance some 'graduate know it all' will micromanage me, forcing me to (secretly) create two branches of the project I am working on.
One branch his way to keep the piece, a second branch my way to create something functional, stable and clean...
In the end the 'know it all' douche will claim it was his idea all along to do it that way.
I've been advertised a coding bootcamp through Butler University, and I never thought to look. You're right. That one is powered by Trilogy! CRAZY
Corporate Cringe Series is awesome. Looking forward to Part 4
"The only thing unreliable about this video, is the audio". Made me giggle like a girl man! Corporate cringe is the bomb!
It's good to know that I'm not the only person who hates those LinkedIn showing off bullshit
7:08 "Be weary out there, guys." I think "wary" is the word you're looking for.
Ur videos on corporate topics are therapy to all of us unlucky souls sadly looking at the possibility of being bossed around all our lives.
Hey Josh,
Thanks for making these videos. I pulled out of the UO trilogy boot camp before it was too late. Thanks for exposing this scam.
Man am i glad i found your channel
Joshua: Hates on everything corporate. Also Joshua: BUY CONSULTATION FOR 250$ SO U CAN GET THAT JOB
I almost got suckered into a bootcamp that had a Universitys name attached to it, and it was not cheap 😂😂😂
Love these, keep them up. Sadly, like many it seems, I thoroughly enjoy writing software but the corporate side of the industry is getting unbearable with this shit. Remote ftw!
I paid 8K total for my college degree in software engineering. Felt like i didnt really need it but so many jobs here actuslly just straight up require it...
What program or college did you go to. Legitimately curious!
Im in a bootcamp ran by trilogy right now and I tell my classmates that we dont attend the school that its being held at. Besides that I’m learning a lot from this bootcamp.
Man you really got 100K subs this summer. Previously I thought its not possible but you did it congratulations 🎉.
Certification is important but either way recruiters are going to thoroughly test your Technical skills in Technical aptitude , Technical Face to Face interview so in the end Certification does not make that impact.
I think most valuable thing would be Project because they ask lot of things on Project itself.
You should keep making these videos because lot of people get disappointed in life because " Expectations vs Reality ".
I'm down for 20 million more of these
I love em
I noticed you mentioned how lifeless everybody seems when they work at a corporation. The word corporation comes from the Latin root “corpus” which is referring to a dead body. This is why corporations are soulless and are terrible. Just found your channel, I’m not even a programmer but i must say I share a lot of your opinions.
Well, I think it's actually referring to where we get the word body from.
Like the word Corps.
As in a "body" of workers.
But your logic and interpretation actually fits nicely today and isn't technically wrong.
@@Zayindjejfj body of coworkers comes from the latin root corpus as well
All these corporate cringe videos are depressing; I just graduated and am job searching and this is what I have to look forward to? Micromanagement and distraction built into offices and they try to pretend to be fun like it's a cult or something...
Yes
Remote work
This channel is growing quite fast indeed, thanks for your effort ❤
And I would be delighted to hear from you about freelance in development field, I mean the digital freelance not the one in the real world, keep it up joshua👍
Can we please get an hour long special of this for your 100k milestone?!
Dude this video just saved my financials. THANK YOU. Seriously thank you. Was SOOOO Close to finalizing my enrollment into a "Coding Bootcamp" at my local community college (CPCC in Charlotte if curious) and lo and behold, when I went to their webpage about it, ctrl+F "Trilogy" right down at the bottom in tiny lettering at the veeeery end of the page "Powered by Trilogy.." Saved my ass there friend, I was told just studying hard and getting Certs is the way to go.
:)
CINDERS: FYI MS just announced 400+ jobs coming to CLT...go get 'em, kid...spectrumlocalnews.com/nc/charlotte/news/2019/10/25/microsoft-to-bring-400--jobs-to-charlotte
Wait wait wait, did I read that correctly, $10,500 for that Utah bootcamp?! Wow, yeah, if all you get for that is an introductory "...and this is what the 'button' tag does, and this is how you commit a change on github..." Just wow. I just recently completed a series of MITx courses to just fill up my CV a bit, and those were like $100 a pop *with* college credit.
LordHonkInc 10500 $ will feed the family for 3 years in my country.
Buddy its WAY more than introductory. You get a lot of advanced knowledge the program is not easy at all!!!
You also get employment services, 1on1 meetings, screenshare meetings, and resume writing assistance and at the end you have an entire portfolio that you built!
If you can afford it theres nothing wrong with this and
What do you think about Coursera, IBM, Edx Certificates. Can we mention them on resume? some of them have assignments that you have to submit to get a passing grade.
Rutgers University has it. It’s a waste of money. Thank you for calling out this bullshit.
Okay, this was a much better corporate cringe video, hahahaha. Good stuff man 😂😂😂
I'm 5 months into a 6 month part-time Trilogy bootcamp at Georgia Tech. I knew going into it the bootcamp was a Trilogy/GT partnership deal. I chose it mainly because of the location and the schedule, I have a full-time job. I've learned more in the last few months than I have in the last few years trying to go the self-taught route. I paid a lot for the bootcamp, so I'm putting a lot of effort into it. I've had a great experience with this bootcamp and I would recommend it to anyone that's thinking of attending a part-time in class bootcamp. I really enjoy your videos and I'm glad your channel is taking off. Keep up the great work!
I think the curriculum is fine, but the business model and people running it aren't the best judge of character. Good luck
Do you feel the same about the CompTIA certificates and ITIL? I know those were big for a while. Oh and The Cisco Certifications.
IT is different from the dev field
It've happening almost everywhere. Great video Josh!
“Oh you know JavaScript that’s like C right?” Lmao 🤣
Fuck you joss, made me spit my rice.
So close to 100k Josh (98k at the making of this comment) I remember seeing you at 10k and you’re one of the big influencers of me going back to school (Lambda School) and Going down this career path. Best of luck to you!
Noisy glassy place (lots of "fun" and less work) is more like a Pub than a meditative environment for a work.... than I understand why so expensive these companies....
Hey Joshua, what do you think of certificates by Microsoft, Oracle etc. certifying expertise in their technologies and products? Are they smt to put on linkedin profile or just another cringe to avoid?
Fun fact: Don’t really need to know how to do anything to get a degree either 🤷🏻♂️
You have to take tests and be held accountable and get certain grades in certain classes. Theres a process. Certificate = *mark as complete & recieve certificate*
@@JoshuaFluke1 A lot of the people at my university Chegg all of their homework, cheat on the tests with their Apple watches, and are only in college just so they can say they got a degree without really knowing the material.
I would argue to some extent that people who got certificates may know the material better than someone with a degree because it shows that the person actually wanted to learn the material and or decided to learn it themselves.
I think certifications (as opposed to certificates and degrees) and personal projects are the best indicators of knowledge that someone has.
By the way, love your videos and content. Keep it up.
@@CameronCobb maybe some but a majority of people dont know the material. Clicking 'next chapter' until you get to the end and get your 'certificate' of completion doesnt mean comprehension. Alot of people legit think it holds weight. The only that matters imo is a portfolio and your ability to defend it and do the code tests companies give you.
Joshua Fluke I completely agree with the portfolio and the ability to defend your skills with a coding interview. I think just getting the interview is the harder part. In my opinion, I think the value that employers will put on a college degree to determine whether if you actually know programming and your data structures and algorithms will decreases in the future.
I think better indicators will shift towards weather if you have coding boot camps, projects, or completed courses on your resume/portfolio as opposed to a degree.
You a very right, my man. Modern college is a complete joke in terms of proving that the student has actually done or learned anything, it's all about just getting the money out of their pockets.
8:50 "Our brain's are totally unreliable." Shes bad with apostrophe's. Its under-mineing her's credibility.
she is stupid tbh if her idea was awesome and important she will definitely remember important things always stick in your mind
I am on the tail end of one of those coding boot camps for data analytics and I've learned an insane amount. I'm a working professional and I pretty consistently have used code blocks that they have provided me with in my day to day at work. I personally would strongly recommend it despite the cost. Also it's not an online course, it's six months 3 days a week with only 4 allowed absences throughout the course. Maybe that's just my branch or whatever but that's my take.
Dude I've just started watching your videos and I am really really enjoying them!
The place I worked at last for System Administration was a little loud at times, mostly because the company is mostly young 20 year olds guys. They did get their jobs done and efficiently but I think the best part about the place was how friendly they were at the office and the fact that they value privacy... so we all had standard office walls which we could set up however we wanted. I miss that place.
I see people post bootcamp certificates that aren’t from a university too. I’m sure a lot of people know that it’s not the same as a degree. They’re just proud that they did a thing. That said, I’m doing a bootcamp and couldn’t care less about the certificate or the “graduation” I just want structured learning, mentorship, and connections to get my foot in the door because I feel like I’m in “tutorial purgatory” learning lots of bits of info but not really knowing what to do with all of it
Great video as always Josh, I can't wait for the next 1
Lol I’m in trilogy at Rutgers University. Honestly I’m amazed with how much I have learned in the last almost 3 months now. Soon we will be learning MongoDB and React.js. Yeah I could have learned it for free, but being in an environment where you are not alone in the struggle and the resources from the TAs and teachers to ask for help would have been hard to find on your own. I landed an interview this week. All in all I think it’s a great investment if your willing to understand the concepts and not just imitate and skate by and not retain any of the info. But that also goes for any school in general. Jobs seekers are interested in knowledge not degrees
I never said anything about the curriculumn. Sure youll learn alot. But the business model is trash and their leaning on colleges as a marketing tactic is cheeky at best.
Joshua Fluke lol not gonna lie The Rutgers logo did help with the decision 😬
The certificate thing. I have a school in graphic design and I have seen companies requiring a udemy graphic design course to consider designers... Its so dumb
Kind of scummy that's a complete rip off. I can attest to the value of having earned online certificates. I got 2 linked-in certificates and Udemy certificate which costed me like $30. During the process of phone screenings and interviews I've never been asked once about the certificates only my registered license as a pharmacy tech.That is legally required most of the time to even be considered and cost me $110 fingerprint, and the application. That's not anywhere near $15,000 of essentially worthless virtual certification and on your resume words.
Question for you: I'm currently studying for comp sci through traditional scholastic means. I'm already determined that I'll probably just be in school forever even after I get an official degree and a nice tech job. Generally in other fields, you have various certificates you can study for and earn to get more money. In this video you were clearly showing what certificates to not get, but what are some specific certificates that would complement a CS degree?
Check out the medium blog "software engineer in 6 months" the guys outlines his journey and recommended courses for jobs
Trilogy is making a killing if those things cost $15,000 for the equivalent of a couple $100 udemy classes.
The only job security you will find is a gov job, if you can get one at all. Seems the gov has been almost completely undermined by other countries and corrupt groups.
Love these videos!! That audio, I thought it was you at first until you said it wasn't :)
So certificates are not good in the USA?
In Europe it's a very standard way of advancing professionally, things like Cisco and Microsoft certifications are great.
Those are not web dev certs. Those are useless here.
There are some very valid certifications. As you mentioned Cisco. Same as red hat. But in the USA it has become a business on itself. My point is Cisco will back up that certification. But private boot camps certifications are worthless most times.
@@JMS_Hunter web dev stuff mostly
@@JMS_Hunter here it's also common to have boot camps that are structured to prepare for a specific certification, like I did some for A+ hardware that was super good even if I never actually did the cert
It’s 3am, I just found this channel and now I’m watching a third video about corporate cringe, i don’t even work in this sphere
How did you find out about Trilogy? That is so scummy, especially since it's not even mentioned on the certificate itself. It's basically a diploma mill run by actual colleges.
Now this interest in coding bootcamp "graduates" makes sense to me if there's a startup like Trilogy looking to make a buck from desperate students trying to stand out in the job market. (Sorry, I mean "disrupt the education sector", obv.).
I've heard some companies have given preferential treatment to bootcamp graduates due to them affiliating themselves with it. If everyone's getting a piece of the money pie, this seems extremely sketchy and probably legally gray...
I love udemy, but I never put my certificates on linkedin. I mean, come on! They are worthless. The knowledge is gold, but not the certificate.
10:17. "Manageability. Get control of your data". lol. "Lie - ability. BS-ability. Meme-ability. Propoganda-ability", etc.
I applied to a C++ job in Sydney and the recruiter called me in a couple of days. She was quite polite at the beginning, but what I didn't like was she kept judging my projects based on the 'number of lines of code'..
I had a few projects in my resume and everytime I tried to explain what the project was, she would cut me in between and ask how many lines of code the whole project contained..
I gave a rough number and judging by her reaction, I guess it was too low. Didn't get the job.
I hate it so much when recruiter send me jobs which are totally irrelevant to my field :(
This is my new favorite series.
I have been getting tons of Facebook's ads from UCF to go to there coding bootcamp, $11,500 certificate by Trilogy....SMH. Thanks for the heads up!
7:10 I got a job offer from that company lol
"hey i heard you did javascript, that's basically C, right" face, got me! hahahahaha
OMG, that stupid dancing at 7:30 alone by that lady would make me want to get up out of my desk there and say "F it! I'm outta here. I quit this phoney place".
I actually did one of this bootcamp from trilogy with Uni of Manchester. It worked out well for us as most of us manage to find a job in the sector with me working in dev for 3 years now
I was waiting for that lady to walk backwards right through one of those glass walls lol
Super interesting about Trilogy - I got recruitment attempts from GW University's version to TA right after I finished my undergrad and it sounded super shady - good to know the background (Yeah... Trilogy).
Real talk on the certificates. They can be a good compliment to other things, degree/exp/other certificates. However, that industry has some real sleaze going on. Curious how much the school's hold the certificate companies accountable as far as curriculum and preparedness. Seeing how much some of those certificates cost, just get your associate's degree. May not be a bachelors, but itll carry more weight with employers and you have a headstart with college credits if you decide to continue on later for your bachelor degree.
Although certain certificates can have value. I agree with the overall messege since most are scams or not officially recognized as having value but if you are doing a certificate from windows, Cisco, etc. There is value behind it and you can become specialised by using them.
i like that the recruiters don’t know shit about my jobs because i drop jargons in the interview that i don’t even know !!!!
works 100% all the time!!!!!!
its all about how you sell urself!!!
Channel is blowing up lately, congrats dude
Thank you for the Trilogy warning good to know
2:15 This is basically a clever marketing ploy by the bootcamp that is issuing these certificates. They can give people a false impression that the person that earned the certificate has obtained something that looks authentic like a full-blown college degree would. So the bootcamp is basically treating people like pretend-college graduates. The colleges also have to be getting something out of allowing their identity to be lifted by these bootcamp companies.