Its scary how he can sit up there and get away with such blatant lies. "Piers Morgan UNCENSORED" translates to "Piers Morgan LIES AND GETS AWAY WITH IT"
@@TrappedInTheMeatrixWell, there were a lot of people claiming "I'm not vegan but..." or "I eat meat but..." and giving criticism towards his behavior. Obviously this is not data or anything but it's rare to see a video of a non-vegan debating a vegan uploaded by the non-vegan and seeing top comments giving criticism to the non-vegan.
To really debate Piers theres gotta be a moderator in the room, otherwise Piers will say that you can only answer his questions the way he wants, he is constantly interrupting you cus he doesnt like the answer and Piers is allways lying. The bee argument is so dumb and looks like broken record allways saying the same crap just to avoid the evident fact that we do not need to eat/harm animals, so we shouldnt do it.
To be fair, Joey didn't need a moderator, he absolutely smashed them both. Particularly at the end when he interrupted the jokes and made them look daft.
Why is it always about winning? Everything has positive and negative sides... neither vegans or meat eaters are living without negative consequences to their choices.
@@mrcherrytits Because the ultimate goal is reducing animal suffering as much as is humanly possible, which vegans work towards continually, and the other 99% of the global population don't
@@mrcherrytits because there is a losing side that is being enslaved and holocausted. If that side doesn't win they literally get decapitated. How is that not obvious?
Actually Piers Morgan deserves an award for being one of the best vegan activists on earth, not because of him being a self-proclaimed defender of bees, but because many non-vegans watching him debate vegans will see how ridiculous his arguments are and way of conduct is and automatically take the vegan argument more seriously. We need more TV-personalities like Piers!
Haha they always try to divert the attention away from the animals by saying we're morally superior whilst imposing their moral superiority over the animals by saying they're more important than them 🙃🤣
Joey Baldstrong has become the ultimate cringe meme when he tried to say the chef did this and that in his past, and Piers said he was an illegal shotgun toting gang member and went to prison for harming humans.
@@rmac3217 First of all, Joey revealed about his past himself, and that’s the only reason Piers knew about it. Secondly, Joey was NOT vegan during that time. He changed and became a better human being. This is admirable, not cringey. The chef said “this guy’s an idiot” on live tv since he couldn’t respond with arguments; he also said “it’s beautiful” to a picture of a dead pig. Piers, on the other hand, repeats the same flawed and wrong argument and completely ignores a literal study debunking his claims that was waved in front of his face. Who’s the cringey one again?
@@snoopredictions He may have left the gang but his narcissism never left, when he harmed humans with his illegal firearms he was 'doing it for the gang', soon he'll be doing it 'for the vegan gang' when he glues himself to a bridge, gang life is all exponential. A narcissist doesn't take into account other ppl's lives or opinions, or their freedom to have their own opinion, it's their way or the highway because they are god-like righteous in their own mind. They also cannot put themselves in another's shoes, if farmers raided Joey's house and stole his property, he wouldn't be very happy about it.
Name one hypocritical thing Piers said. Joey got his lunch eaten and then got bitch-slapped afterwards. Joey was reduced to flapping around a piece of paper.
Joey was the perfect person for this interview. He demonstrated resilience and strength while these two fools tried to belittle him and his beliefs. They sounded absolutely ridiculous and Joey was the clear winner. Sooo grateful we have him to speak up for the animals!
Joey, to my mind you have absolutely no need to justify what you did or didn't do. Vegan or not, anyone with half a brain could see how childishly insulted and talked over you were by those two. They weren't having an adult discussion, they reverted to the playground. You were great.
I think it's psychopathic that you think it's even murder, i'm not against people choosing to eat only plants or meat, I think activists who cry and shame others for eating meat and or taking part in the hunting for meat are morons.
@@donsaxon1948go after our ancestors who began by eating meat and set the stage for our diet. Don’t blame us for consciously following suit and give up on your childish hope on changing millions of years of evolution. Our bodies were made for eating meat, so I don’t know what you’re fighting for
@@Arkan-10 Ay man I disagree. I don’t think people are consciously following suit because most people haven’t seen footage of these factory farms, and fewer have been there themselves. Plus, just because we’ve been doing something for a long time doesnt in the slightest way justify it. We’re moral agents capable of making moral decisions, and we just don’t have any justification for torturing and killing sentients on mass like this.
@@ablevegan2295 absolutely. They would’ve seen Joey respond to every point, and Piers and the other wanker embarrass themselves. Every time people fail to make a point for eating animals, we gain a few.
Joey you smashed it as well as anyone could. Piers has a strategy of just gish galloping you and then not letting you have chance to reply. The bee thing was so dumb. 1. They aren't killed mostly by almonds and avocados. 2. You could just not eat those things also, bit of a false dichotomy there. 3. Honey??? 4. Its not intrinsically unethical, to eat avocados, just dont use bees like that. Nobody on earth could have gotten all that out. You did smash it honestly. Piers has a vested jnterest in being anti-vegan, its not going to be a good faith debate.
Piers looked like a blatant sophist when he ignored animal suffering footage while pretending to care about bees. Joey did an excellent job here exposing his hypocrisy despite all of their efforts at derailing and ad homs.
So this didn't teach vegans nothing at all? Ya soem fools if ya didn't learn anything from this debate. This debate todl ya fo stop forcing ya vegan ways on to others. It always shows how vegan extremists can very destructive. A bunch of vegan started review books the guys restaurants all bevise most people don't agree with ya. Tell me this. If veganism is so great, then why do so many of them go back to eating meat after a period of time?
I live in California and used to work on a pollination operation with avocados and almonds. The bees are not purposely killed, but an awful lot of them get killed in transportation from overcrowding and overheating. They often fall off of the truck also and get smashed.
I‘m no big tough guy, don’t know how to throw a punch. But when I heard that haunting pig scream and then Pierce going on about bees I wanted to punch him in the face. Can’t imagine how hard it has to be to keep your cool in such a situation.
@@RodKruz Piers uses the same rhetorical tactics in every debate; trigger the other person, talk over them and try to make them look like the unhinged ones. Alex held his own, kept his composure and wouldn't let Piers throw him off his point. Joey gets visually angry and upset during these debates. I don't blame him, he's seen the horrors firsts hand and he has to debate someone who has no care in the world to animal suffering. But he's gotta keep that stuff in check when debating people like Piers who's bad faith enough to use it against him. Fair point on Alex not being vegan anymore though, Piers would have used that against him and it would have been over before it started. If only Alex got on his show before leaving veganism behind. Earthling Ed would have done a better job though.
@@Narcissistic_Penguin Exactly, and Joey didn't let him talk over him..I know he got triggered in the end, especially with the bad joke about vegans, but he didn't let them make fun of him or vegans. If he would've let them say the joke he would've ended up looking like the other vegans. If you read the comments on Piers' comment section, you'd see how well it went. If Ed Winters could've done better, we'll never know. But even him, as an eloquent and smart guy he is, might not be able to confront bullies like Piers in their own show.
@@RodKruz Joey didn't let him talk over him but he also got triggered. Alex asserted himself in a strong but also calm way. I dunno how else to say it. "We'll never know" is a bit of cop out when I'm responding to your original post "there wasn't anyone that could've done it better".
You absolutely smashed it, Joey! Such a massive fan of how you hold your own and take the facts to the forefront. Would’ve been hard for anyone to be heard and stay level headed in that environment. You’re a credit to the cause ❤
@@SirEdmundAllenby5787 because the person just said it should be classified as criminal you pleb. Is English your second language? "Is" does not mean "should".
I just don't understand how such adult people don't understand a simple thing - the life of another sentient being. Where is their consciousness, where is the mind, where are the feelings, where is the heart? Thank you Joey for all you do for the most vulnerable🌱❤
@@thuglifeinventor herbivores out in the wild have smaller brains than carnivores typically do, also if every human became vegan tomorrow there would still be animals killing each other, including humans hurting each other.
Piers: "veganism is unhealthy" *seconds later* "urine is quite healthy" - what is this man? edit: 30:21 lmao edit 2: 31:37 this was the right thing to do
How many carnists does it take to change a light bulb? None, because they don't like light being shed on animal farms, and lions don't use light bulbs anyway.
I had to tap out on your previous video after about a minute... I just can't stand the constant interruptions and talking over one another trying to get a word in... if I were you, I'd have called out Piers for interrupting, and refused to continue with the discussion unless he agreed to keep quiet while you were speaking
The biggest thing I took from that 'debate' is that the raw footage is so goddamn powerful that even an expert troll like Piers Morgan will have to explicitly look away to not be affected by it. To hell with them, make them see what they're doing! I think that was the moment that cut through the bullshit more than anything; in a safe, air conditioned studio where a bunch of apes want to talk about how other animals shouldn't have rights, the sound of pigs screaming as they die puts it all into perspective. Boss move Joey, I don't think anything could have been better.
Piers is trying to appeal to a demographic that I call ‘ignorant and proud of it’ which is sadly a larger group than I feel comfortable living amongst tbh. But I like that you got your footage about the pig gas chambers highlighted once again because even many of the ignorant and proud brigade would struggle to equate the harm caused by almond production with pork production and Piers’ attempt to do so looked feeble. Piers principal argument is ‘hypocrisy tho’ and I like that you forced him to descend to agreeing to drink someone else’s urine rather than admit to being a hypocrite.
Why is Piers so obsessed with the bees BS anyway? It's not even a vegan issue. EVERYONE can eat avocados and almonds, how does he even know that vegans eat them at all? THAT'S the best argument he has!? What a genius...
What's funny is that he's not arguing against veganism at all, he's only arguing that vegans shouldn't eat almonds or avocados. He did not challenge Joey's position in any way.
@@jamesbyrne3033 I guess I shouldn't mow my lawn either as I most definitely kill some insects while doing it. The indirect and accidental harm to insects by mowing my lawn excuses his intentional direct killing of animals to eat them for taste pleasure. He is a total imbecile.
@@sophieb8268 I can't stomach avocados without being covered in salt and I drink soy milk so the 'argument' Piers makes means less than nothing to me. The only way to 'destroy' someone in a vegan debate is to be the vegan ;)
After Piers talks about bees being "murdered" he then goes to John who tell Joey that "murder" can only be between humans. I wish Joey then asked John "so you must disagree with Piers then about the bees being murdered?". I missed that the first time watching. Pretty funny though that John just undoes everything Piers was just saying about bees getting murdered.
as a vegan i haven't eaten an avocado.... sometimes almonds are in things i eat, though pretty rarely.... i think piers is hoarding all the avocados in his neck like a pelican.
You did amazing. You’re right, literally all he does is talk over facts (like usual) all the while calling you the murderer. I need some vegan doughnuts. Best person to go against that fool, he should be embarrassed.
halarius how they always avoid arguments by switching to an other topic, because they now there is no argument against it :) but always nice that they make it easy to see that they just suckers with no morals and honor :) Gj joey!
I think you did brilliantly. I would lose my temper with piers’ brainwashed nonsense for sure. What was so sickening about that vile little chef creature was that he was pretending to be a sweet and wholesome person. Does he honestly think that people believed that act, or that he’s coming across well? It makes me cringe when people are a**holes (definite narcissist in his case) but they try to hide it and pretend to be sweet and honest. That was actually the worst part of the interview for me, even more so then piers and his obsession with almonds.
Piers Morgan interviews are always frustrating to watch. He keeps reiterating the same points (even when they are shown to be inaccurate), which forces everyone else to do the same thing.
I'm so relieved that the "full" clip on his channel has mostly negative comments (seems like the Brits don't like it when their news media is just all shouting, and fact denying, which is strange to see as an American). But sadly the clipped version has of course anti-vegan comments.
Joey you did well in the interview. As you said Piers is a bully but I do think he did not manage to get the better of you . Best is you never lost sight of the victims. For that you should always feel you deserve to hold your head high
He’s even worse to me, he’s like a primordial ooze made out of the animal cholesterol he keeps eating that’s blocking his smooth brain & micro-pecker 🦠🤮
No one could have done better than you Joey ! Piers is the most ugly and despicable guy . May karma gets him for all the cruelty he advocates . People who kill or torture others without remorse appall us, and we lock them up as sociopaths and psychopaths , yet Piers promotes torture and suffering and he is popular jerk - sad world we live in, but you are the light in the darkness Joey - THANK YOU !!!
Piers and every other nonvegan that behave themselves in these kinds of stupid ways are actually good for veganism, and you dear Joey did just great as usual!
Joey, Pierce kind of set you up. He started by saying Vegans were "hangry". Then he repeatedly pushed your buttons to get you angry. Then ended by trying to show that he and his guest were relaxed having fun while you were seething and angry. He was just trying to make vegans seem angry, shrill and no fun and worthy of exclusion and ridicule. The only way to "win" would have been to stay very calm and relaxed through the "debate". Easier said than done of course
This coward is not capable to look at your phone when you show him the reality and the other clown is laughting with a dead pig in a picture.... they are exposed ...you did an insane job in front of them man👍
Have heard Piers is totally different backstage than on air, which makes him a poor host as just relies on shouting over his "guests" and provocation. His debunk about bees avocados and almonds is now a parody of itself. Let's see him argue like this in a one on one situation, and without an audience. As for John, you can tell he is massively insecure and contradicts himself so much here. Well done Joey 👏🏼
I agree. Although the cynic in me wonders if he's nice backstage, so guests don't leave and or to get them off guard and wrong footed before the onslaught! Joey did brilliantly here and his good words about Piers behaviour backstage says more about who he is as a person than it does about Piers 🙂
He brings up your past as if it diminishes you in some way, when you have MASSIVELY more integrity than he does. He's small-minded, self-centered adolescent in a man's body.
Mate you’re an absolute legend, and you did incredible. I thought you came across super composed and rational. You treated them how they treated you, you showed character and rationality - and that vegans are normal people. Big love man definitely should be proud of how you represented vegans and the animals here.
Nope. I think he just doesn’t want to deviate from his menu in general Which is sad but okayish? But then don’t agree to deviate from your menu and blame others…?
And I love the fact that you interrupted Piers, and that you took the lead in the conversation! Showing that footage and letting the pigs screams hear in the broadcast. I bet next time they will not allow you to bring your phone to the broadcast. Your style is great, it is fanatic, and you always show the urgency of the situation. Yes, the animal rights violations are massive, and the situation is urgent. If Ed want to be the calm one, that is good for him, but I think your style of animals rights advocacy very important. And the fact that you were in a gang, you were addicted, and now you are 10 years sober and you turned to the good, makes you even more special. You show how you want to protect the beings that can not protect themselves. You are a hero.
Oh Joey, keep up the good work you do. I was so frustrated watching this & angry inside at Piers & this restaurant owner. I appreciate & applaud your patience & love that keeps you going mate.
Holy moly, man. Big respect. This is a world stage you are talking on and you are holding your own. Even though I dont agree with your combative debate style, I have to admit that I couldnt do that.
They treat you exactly the way men treat women when they bring up valid complaints. Invalidate her, say she's so emotional, etc. not a coincidence when veganism is seen as "feminine"
To be honest, I think it was totally wrong of the vegans who didn't go to his restaurant to give him 1-star reviews. I can understand (but don't agree with) that the chef thought he needed to ban them from his restaurant.
I’m not a vegan nor a vegetarian but I think you definitely won that argument. It was highly unprofessional of Piers to come at you like that, he just appeared as a pompous bully. Your point about that chef having a thin skin was really well made. The only constructive criticism I’d have is your use of the word “murder”. No obviously you feel passionately about this topic, but the word “kill” is just as powerful without alienating a lot of your audience. I was pretty annoyed watching how that interview was conducted, fair play, you did excellent
As a vegan, I agree - I steer away from language like murder and r*pe when referring to animals because the person listening will usually just view you as a crazy person and disregard what you’re saying entirely. Sticking with ‘animal abuse’ or ‘animal cruelty’ usually works better I’d say as it’s something most people would agree happens in the animal agriculture industry. Otherwise the debate would be about ‘it’s not murder, it’s not r*pe, that’s offensive’ rather than the intended point.
Thank you for commenting this. As a vegan it gives feedback people actually look behing Pierces sharades and listen to what’s said. This chefs story was a witch hunt for all vegans from the start, because he can not handle criticism and because there are a lot of vegan haters because vegans tend to bring up the feeling of guilt in humans above.
As soon as I saw the John mountain vegan ban and heard what he said I got the mentality instantly! And I’m glad you seem to have the same point of view you’re totally exposing him
and a mediocre cook, as well. Some of my friends had dinner at his eatery (meat, of course): it's overpriced, boring stuff. You can't call yourself a chef if you don't know how to cook vegetables, too.
@@idnumamina Thank you. Still loving being vegan after about 7 years. I went vegan late in life, but I plan to live a lot longer, and will never go back to eating animals or what comes out of them. Once you know better, you have to do better.
Its amazing how Piers deflect the same question he always use in his arguments on to Joey: WHY ARE VEGAN'S SO ANGRY ?? Really Piers, cant you think of a more original question than asking the same lame question every time??
Good debate & video Joey. I'm glad you cleared up some background about the situation as well as why you brought up the fact that the other guy flipped out about the 2 star review, because that kind of confused me as well. Not like it particularly matters though because the situation itself was basically completely pointless as the whole conversation was actually about veganism (and bees for some reason?) lol. The other guy was basically there for decoration.
Piers Morgan needs a TALKING STICK in his studio. The person who has the stick does all the talking until he is finished making his statement. Joey - you shouldnt go into a debate with Piers again without that walking stick
You did great Joey and all you could, Morgan just shouts everyone he disagrees with down. I'm sure he won't be asking you on his program again, as you were well ready for him.
Yeah Joey, I don't know how you're feeling about this Piers Morgan debate today. If you're having any qualms with yourself about how you conducted yourself or how you appeared, seriously don't sweat it. It was like trying to talk sense with a three-year-old. A lot of people get frustrated with people who conduct themselves as Pierce does. No shame in it whatsoever.
Why are people who practise kindness to animals so threatening? The minute that fyre bloke can make a quid out of vegan food, he will do so. I feel he was just being a Fb smart alec not realising it would get picked up by PM. Joey, your gang history is perfect evidence a person can change.
I like how he just assumes vegans have almonds and avocado’s as their staple foods. The literally never touch almonds cause I dont like the taste. Wish he got around this point quicker to see what Piers would falls back on if the almond argument didnt stick
Its scary how he can sit up there and get away with such blatant lies. "Piers Morgan UNCENSORED" translates to "Piers Morgan LIES AND GETS AWAY WITH IT"
Even the Piers Morgan audience bashed him for being an annoying hypocrite
Actually his audience or vegans watching? I hate getting my hopes up and then get it deflated haha
@@TrappedInTheMeatrixWell, there were a lot of people claiming "I'm not vegan but..." or "I eat meat but..." and giving criticism towards his behavior. Obviously this is not data or anything but it's rare to see a video of a non-vegan debating a vegan uploaded by the non-vegan and seeing top comments giving criticism to the non-vegan.
@@oneiroagent Sounds good, thanks! And, yes, you are right that is why I was skeptical at first it is rare :)
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I would never have expected a large portion of Piers' audience to look at this debate and topic critically, I'm genuinely surprised.
Murder is only allowed to be used if its human being, but Piers kept saying bees are murdered 😂
To really debate Piers theres gotta be a moderator in the room, otherwise Piers will say that you can only answer his questions the way he wants, he is constantly interrupting you cus he doesnt like the answer and Piers is allways lying. The bee argument is so dumb and looks like broken record allways saying the same crap just to avoid the evident fact that we do not need to eat/harm animals, so we shouldnt do it.
He never ever let Joey finish a single sentence, which is super annoying 😡
To be fair, Joey didn't need a moderator, he absolutely smashed them both. Particularly at the end when he interrupted the jokes and made them look daft.
Even on Piers' video, the comments were full of people mocking him. You more than won this mate.
Piers is the # 1 vegan activist .
The irony is he and his fan base aren't aware of this .
Why is it always about winning? Everything has positive and negative sides... neither vegans or meat eaters are living without negative consequences to their choices.
@@mrcherrytits Because the ultimate goal is reducing animal suffering as much as is humanly possible, which vegans work towards continually, and the other 99% of the global population don't
@@mrcherrytitsbecause one is a better moral choice than the other. If two people live identical lives except one is racist, the other is better.
@@mrcherrytits because there is a losing side that is being enslaved and holocausted. If that side doesn't win they literally get decapitated. How is that not obvious?
Actually Piers Morgan deserves an award for being one of the best vegan activists on earth, not because of him being a self-proclaimed defender of bees, but because many non-vegans watching him debate vegans will see how ridiculous his arguments are and way of conduct is and automatically take the vegan argument more seriously. We need more TV-personalities like Piers!
Exactly. P.T. Barnum once said, “There's no such thing as bad publicity,”. Piers Morgan gives us publicity, and we should thank him for this.
@@rondarkman. Why do you hate animals, tough guy?
@@rondarkman. do you think you're tough?
The best thing to come out of this is that even his audiance started questioning Pierces argument. That's proof that you really made an impact.
Piers thinks vegans are running a competition on moral superiority when in reality it is about compassion.
Spot on 💚
Haha they always try to divert the attention away from the animals by saying we're morally superior whilst imposing their moral superiority over the animals by saying they're more important than them 🙃🤣
Narcissists always care about the ego.
Meanwhile you're typing on a device made by animal products 😂😂 cope
@@Tocinos you're morally inferior, you know it and it hurts you. That's all
Piers is a living cringe. You did great!
Joey Baldstrong has become the ultimate cringe meme when he tried to say the chef did this and that in his past, and Piers said he was an illegal shotgun toting gang member and went to prison for harming humans.
@@rmac3217 First of all, Joey revealed about his past himself, and that’s the only reason Piers knew about it. Secondly, Joey was NOT vegan during that time. He changed and became a better human being. This is admirable, not cringey.
The chef said “this guy’s an idiot” on live tv since he couldn’t respond with arguments; he also said “it’s beautiful” to a picture of a dead pig. Piers, on the other hand, repeats the same flawed and wrong argument and completely ignores a literal study debunking his claims that was waved in front of his face. Who’s the cringey one again?
@@snoopredictions He may have left the gang but his narcissism never left, when he harmed humans with his illegal firearms he was 'doing it for the gang', soon he'll be doing it 'for the vegan gang' when he glues himself to a bridge, gang life is all exponential.
A narcissist doesn't take into account other ppl's lives or opinions, or their freedom to have their own opinion, it's their way or the highway because they are god-like righteous in their own mind.
They also cannot put themselves in another's shoes, if farmers raided Joey's house and stole his property, he wouldn't be very happy about it.
@@snoopredictionsvegan activist is a cringe buddy
@@whocares6481 y’all keep repeating that yet haven’t said why that is the case
We must all appreciate Joey Carbstrong's courage and determination. Piers Morgan's hypocrisy is exposed to its fullest.
If only human brains worked like that, but sadly for his viewers he destroyed Joe
> We must all appreciate
Are you practicing to become a dictator?
@joebidenistrash😅😅😅
Name one hypocritical thing Piers said. Joey got his lunch eaten and then got bitch-slapped afterwards. Joey was reduced to flapping around a piece of paper.
We? Get a life as you don’t speak for everyone so drop the we sh1t
Joey was the perfect person for this interview. He demonstrated resilience and strength while these two fools tried to belittle him and his beliefs. They sounded absolutely ridiculous and Joey was the clear winner. Sooo grateful we have him to speak up for the animals!
Joey, to my mind you have absolutely no need to justify what you did or didn't do. Vegan or not, anyone with half a brain could see how childishly insulted and talked over you were by those two. They weren't having an adult discussion, they reverted to the playground. You were great.
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That cook looks straight up psychopath holding the murdered piglet
I think it's psychopathic that you think it's even murder, i'm not against people choosing to eat only plants or meat, I think activists who cry and shame others for eating meat and or taking part in the hunting for meat are morons.
@@whuskeywolf0032 I'm sure there are plenty of cult members that agree with you
@@donsaxon1948go after our ancestors who began by eating meat and set the stage for our diet. Don’t blame us for consciously following suit and give up on your childish hope on changing millions of years of evolution. Our bodies were made for eating meat, so I don’t know what you’re fighting for
@@Arkan-10 humans began as herbivorous, if you would even be bothered to research since you're so all for nature lol
@@Arkan-10 Ay man I disagree. I don’t think people are consciously following suit because most people haven’t seen footage of these factory farms, and fewer have been there themselves. Plus, just because we’ve been doing something for a long time doesnt in the slightest way justify it. We’re moral agents capable of making moral decisions, and we just don’t have any justification for torturing and killing sentients on mass like this.
He never engages on this topic in good faith. He’s a propagandist and proud to abuse animals for his taste pleasure. Such disgusting behavior
Shut up ya snowflake 😂
I’ve never heard such a stupid comment.
So why would Joey go on his show knowing waht he is getting into.
@@baldheadedassassin5404any publicity is better than no publicity.
@@julienfroidevaux1143 that's what people say when they fail. Which fits this situation perfectly.
LOL - you don't 'debate' Piers Morgan - You use his platform as best you can and KNOW that no-one is dumb enough to fall for his antics.
HOPE that no one is dumb enough. many are, unfortunately.
Never underestimate people’s capacity for stupidity
@@ablevegan2295 how? Anyone with the ability to think critically can see which argument had any weight, I’m sure we just got a bunch more vegans.
@@ablevegan2295 absolutely. They would’ve seen Joey respond to every point, and Piers and the other wanker embarrass themselves. Every time people fail to make a point for eating animals, we gain a few.
Seems like Piers accomplished what hd set out to do. Make veganism look stupid.
He banned vegans for the media exposure.. his restaurant probably wasnt doing its best and he knew how to get headlines 🙄
I think so and he's plant based milking it to the max
Lmao. Johns business is growing so much more popular now thanks to trash peterson
Piers: _"BUT BEEEES!"_
Joey: _"Pigs are put in gas chambers, stop doing it"_
Piers: *"BEEEES!"*
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Total , intentional , gaslighting from Piers and John. I watched the original and thought you did well.
One day we will be able to stop mentioning Piers Moron. One day.
Joey you smashed it as well as anyone could. Piers has a strategy of just gish galloping you and then not letting you have chance to reply.
The bee thing was so dumb.
1. They aren't killed mostly by almonds and avocados.
2. You could just not eat those things also, bit of a false dichotomy there.
3. Honey???
4. Its not intrinsically unethical, to eat avocados, just dont use bees like that.
Nobody on earth could have gotten all that out. You did smash it honestly. Piers has a vested jnterest in being anti-vegan, its not going to be a good faith debate.
Piers looked like a blatant sophist when he ignored animal suffering footage while pretending to care about bees.
Joey did an excellent job here exposing his hypocrisy despite all of their efforts at derailing and ad homs.
So this didn't teach vegans nothing at all? Ya soem fools if ya didn't learn anything from this debate. This debate todl ya fo stop forcing ya vegan ways on to others. It always shows how vegan extremists can very destructive. A bunch of vegan started review books the guys restaurants all bevise most people don't agree with ya.
Tell me this. If veganism is so great, then why do so many of them go back to eating meat after a period of time?
Yeah, the fact that Joey smash it didn't stop Animal slaughter worldwide 😉
I live in California and used to work on a pollination operation with avocados and almonds. The bees are not purposely killed, but an awful lot of them get killed in transportation from overcrowding and overheating. They often fall off of the truck also and get smashed.
Piers was asking for a compromise, he was asking if we stop selling idk pork in the Uk can you vegans stop selling Avocados?
I‘m no big tough guy, don’t know how to throw a punch. But when I heard that haunting pig scream and then Pierce going on about bees I wanted to punch him in the face.
Can’t imagine how hard it has to be to keep your cool in such a situation.
You did great, Joey. There wasn't anyone that could've done it better, mate.
Uh.. Alex lol. He handled Piers way better when he was on.
@@Narcissistic_Penguin He did great, but it was a different topic. Also, he ain't vegan.
@@RodKruz Piers uses the same rhetorical tactics in every debate; trigger the other person, talk over them and try to make them look like the unhinged ones. Alex held his own, kept his composure and wouldn't let Piers throw him off his point. Joey gets visually angry and upset during these debates. I don't blame him, he's seen the horrors firsts hand and he has to debate someone who has no care in the world to animal suffering. But he's gotta keep that stuff in check when debating people like Piers who's bad faith enough to use it against him. Fair point on Alex not being vegan anymore though, Piers would have used that against him and it would have been over before it started. If only Alex got on his show before leaving veganism behind.
Earthling Ed would have done a better job though.
@@Narcissistic_Penguin Exactly, and Joey didn't let him talk over him..I know he got triggered in the end, especially with the bad joke about vegans, but he didn't let them make fun of him or vegans. If he would've let them say the joke he would've ended up looking like the other vegans.
If you read the comments on Piers' comment section, you'd see how well it went.
If Ed Winters could've done better, we'll never know. But even him, as an eloquent and smart guy he is, might not be able to confront bullies like Piers in their own show.
@@RodKruz Joey didn't let him talk over him but he also got triggered. Alex asserted himself in a strong but also calm way. I dunno how else to say it.
"We'll never know" is a bit of cop out when I'm responding to your original post "there wasn't anyone that could've done it better".
You absolutely smashed it, Joey! Such a massive fan of how you hold your own and take the facts to the forefront. Would’ve been hard for anyone to be heard and stay level headed in that environment. You’re a credit to the cause ❤
How can that man continue to be allowed to spread lies and misinformation? That should be criminal!
If he is a criminal, why doesn't he in jail
@@SirEdmundAllenby5787 because the person just said it should be classified as criminal you pleb. Is English your second language? "Is" does not mean "should".
@@rondarkman. So is Nelson Mandela. Whats your point?
Because were meant to be a free society where we can discuss ideas, regardless of what you think of those ideas.
@@rondarkman.50 years from now will you still consider him a convicted criminal ?
I just don't understand how such adult people don't understand a simple thing - the life of another sentient being. Where is their consciousness, where is the mind, where are the feelings, where is the heart?
Thank you Joey for all you do for the most vulnerable🌱❤
@@rondarkman. Meh, murdered animals are only 'food' for fat, dumb animal abusers.
Where is the heart? He is one of those people from WW2. He hasn't evolved to human consciousness he is still a carnivore animal
@@thuglifeinventor herbivores out in the wild have smaller brains than carnivores typically do, also if every human became vegan tomorrow there would still be animals killing each other, including humans hurting each other.
Because the reality is we are carnivores.
Piers: "veganism is unhealthy" *seconds later* "urine is quite healthy" - what is this man?
edit: 30:21 lmao
edit 2: 31:37 this was the right thing to do
Piers: "veganism is unhealthy", And everyone is just supposed to take his word for it. He does not need to present any evidence. Unbelievable!
How many carnists does it take to change a light bulb?
None, because they don't like light being shed on animal farms, and lions don't use light bulbs anyway.
Yeah carnists have no clue what goes on in a factory farm, they think meat grows on trees😉
And lightbulbs aren’t natural
@@jimmyobrien8738No we know they're killed in slaughterhouses. And we are carnivores. Next
@@JAWS-dn8fm sarcasm not detected
@@jimmyobrien8738 No need.
I was honestly surprised to see his own commenters saying he did a terrible job. Good work Joey !!
I had to tap out on your previous video after about a minute... I just can't stand the constant interruptions and talking over one another trying to get a word in... if I were you, I'd have called out Piers for interrupting, and refused to continue with the discussion unless he agreed to keep quiet while you were speaking
@@corbinm9874 Um, did that happen after the first minute?
The biggest thing I took from that 'debate' is that the raw footage is so goddamn powerful that even an expert troll like Piers Morgan will have to explicitly look away to not be affected by it. To hell with them, make them see what they're doing! I think that was the moment that cut through the bullshit more than anything; in a safe, air conditioned studio where a bunch of apes want to talk about how other animals shouldn't have rights, the sound of pigs screaming as they die puts it all into perspective. Boss move Joey, I don't think anything could have been better.
Piers is trying to appeal to a demographic that I call ‘ignorant and proud of it’ which is sadly a larger group than I feel comfortable living amongst tbh. But I like that you got your footage about the pig gas chambers highlighted once again because even many of the ignorant and proud brigade would struggle to equate the harm caused by almond production with pork production and Piers’ attempt to do so looked feeble.
Piers principal argument is ‘hypocrisy tho’ and I like that you forced him to descend to agreeing to drink someone else’s urine rather than admit to being a hypocrite.
He's got the worst arguments against veganism in the world
No, Neil Degrasse Tyson is much worse
Nobody has a good argument against veganism, that's why I (and most vegans) became vegan, I tried so hard not to.
@@jansebela9133YES lmao
Glad someone else here knows 😂
He once said Aliens would eat us if they were here on earth, so why can’t we eat animals?
😂😂😂😭
@@helenageerts2115 One of the great minds .
There's plenty of arguments against veganism lmao
Why is Piers so obsessed with the bees BS anyway? It's not even a vegan issue.
EVERYONE can eat avocados and almonds, how does he even know that vegans eat them at all?
THAT'S the best argument he has!?
What a genius...
What's funny is that he's not arguing against veganism at all, he's only arguing that vegans shouldn't eat almonds or avocados.
He did not challenge Joey's position in any way.
@@jamesbyrne3033 I guess I shouldn't mow my lawn either as I most definitely kill some insects while doing it.
The indirect and accidental harm to insects by mowing my lawn excuses his intentional direct killing of animals to eat them for taste pleasure.
He is a total imbecile.
Everytime he asks a vegan he’s interviewing ‘do you eat avocados and almonds’ why don’t they just say ‘no’ 😭 I wonder what he’d say in response
@@sophieb8268 I can't stomach avocados without being covered in salt and I drink soy milk so the 'argument' Piers makes means less than nothing to me.
The only way to 'destroy' someone in a vegan debate is to be the vegan ;)
He nit picks on every conversation he has, because he “has to win the debate”. That’s how Piers does that, when he gets annoyed he raises his voice.
After Piers talks about bees being "murdered" he then goes to John who tell Joey that "murder" can only be between humans. I wish Joey then asked John "so you must disagree with Piers then about the bees being murdered?".
I missed that the first time watching. Pretty funny though that John just undoes everything Piers was just saying about bees getting murdered.
Jeffery Dahmer also derived pleasure from eating meat
@@rondarkman. D.A.H.M.E.R.
@@Chill_JillPeople aren't the same as animals. Prove me wrong.
Also we're carnivores
Chefs don't like the fact that the healthiest diet is also the cheapest (and they can't charge their premium over inflated prices)
Joey’s insults vocabulary is hilarious🤣🤣 great video
After 5 years the guy still brings up the same arguments 😂
as a vegan i haven't eaten an avocado.... sometimes almonds are in things i eat, though pretty rarely.... i think piers is hoarding all the avocados in his neck like a pelican.
HAHAHAHA 😂😂
Right! Some people hate the consistency. Piers is so close minded, I find it funny. 😂
You did amazing. You’re right, literally all he does is talk over facts (like usual) all the while calling you the murderer. I need some vegan doughnuts. Best person to go against that fool, he should be embarrassed.
halarius how they always avoid arguments by switching to an other topic, because they now there is no argument against it :) but always nice that they make it easy to see that they just suckers with no morals and honor :) Gj joey!
Yup, the old "redirection" trick.
I think you did brilliantly. I would lose my temper with piers’ brainwashed nonsense for sure.
What was so sickening about that vile little chef creature was that he was pretending to be a sweet and wholesome person. Does he honestly think that people believed that act, or that he’s coming across well?
It makes me cringe when people are a**holes (definite narcissist in his case) but they try to hide it and pretend to be sweet and honest. That was actually the worst part of the interview for me, even more so then piers and his obsession with almonds.
Piers Morgan interviews are always frustrating to watch. He keeps reiterating the same points (even when they are shown to be inaccurate), which forces everyone else to do the same thing.
I’m sorry but he’s so cringe 😫 (Piers)
He's going senile.
I'm so relieved that the "full" clip on his channel has mostly negative comments (seems like the Brits don't like it when their news media is just all shouting, and fact denying, which is strange to see as an American). But sadly the clipped version has of course anti-vegan comments.
Joey you did well in the interview. As you said Piers is a bully but I do think he did not manage to get the better of you . Best is you never lost sight of the victims. For that you should always feel you deserve to hold your head high
Piers doesn't want a discussion at all. He just wants to keep saying "50 billion bees are murdered for almonds and avocados" on a loop.
Piers is such a man-child 😂
He’s even worse to me, he’s like a primordial ooze made out of the animal cholesterol he keeps eating that’s blocking his smooth brain & micro-pecker 🦠🤮
@@rondarkman. 🤡
@@HexproofAnarchistWow very valid constructive criticism 🤓
No one could have done better than you Joey ! Piers is the most ugly and despicable guy . May karma gets him for all the cruelty he advocates . People who kill or torture others without remorse appall us, and we lock them up as sociopaths and psychopaths , yet Piers promotes torture and suffering and he is popular jerk - sad world we live in, but you are the light in the darkness Joey - THANK YOU !!!
Piers and every other nonvegan that behave themselves in these kinds of stupid ways are actually good for veganism, and you dear Joey did just great as usual!
You did very well, it was a good look! You came prepared and body language was also on point.
These guys made a fool out of themselves as expected.
Murder can only be used in human concept, but if it's about the bees ,it's ok for him to say bees are Murdered!!!😂
Joey, Pierce kind of set you up. He started by saying Vegans were "hangry". Then he repeatedly pushed your buttons to get you angry. Then ended by trying to show that he and his guest were relaxed having fun while you were seething and angry. He was just trying to make vegans seem angry, shrill and no fun and worthy of exclusion and ridicule.
The only way to "win" would have been to stay very calm and relaxed through the "debate". Easier said than done of course
Would of been super hard cause Piers would just keep talking louder over Joey
You did great Joey we very much appreciate the hard work you do for animals
This coward is not capable to look at your phone when you show him the reality and the other clown is laughting with a dead pig in a picture.... they are exposed ...you did an insane job in front of them man👍
Great job Joey. Nobody could have done better. Even Piers fans were criticizing his points while giving you credit.
5:12 As if the guy has his chef jacket and apron on at 3am. Broo.. Who is he cooking for!? 😂😂
Have heard Piers is totally different backstage than on air, which makes him a poor host as just relies on shouting over his "guests" and provocation. His debunk about bees avocados and almonds is now a parody of itself. Let's see him argue like this in a one on one situation, and without an audience. As for John, you can tell he is massively insecure and contradicts himself so much here. Well done Joey 👏🏼
I agree. Although the cynic in me wonders if he's nice backstage, so guests don't leave and or to get them off guard and wrong footed before the onslaught! Joey did brilliantly here and his good words about Piers behaviour backstage says more about who he is as a person than it does about Piers 🙂
@@annesuess2272 it's to get them off guard
Inconsistency is either insincere and strategic or a personality concern.
He brings up your past as if it diminishes you in some way, when you have MASSIVELY more integrity than he does. He's small-minded, self-centered adolescent in a man's body.
P.T. Barnum once said, “There's no such thing as bad publicity,”. Piers Morgan gives us publicity, and we should thank him for this.
Despicable man is PM!!!
You did great in this, don’t see how you could have handled it better!
Did Joey know he was gonna bring up the bee argument in advance? How did he happen to have the bees study paper right in front of him ready to go?
Because Puss Moggin mentions it every time it's literally his only argument for animal k!lling 😂
You did great Joey, couldn't be better!😊
Mate you’re an absolute legend, and you did incredible. I thought you came across super composed and rational. You treated them how they treated you, you showed character and rationality - and that vegans are normal people. Big love man definitely should be proud of how you represented vegans and the animals here.
So if someone has a dairy intolerance he won’t cater for them?
Nope. I think he just doesn’t want to deviate from his menu in general
Which is sad but okayish? But then don’t agree to deviate from your menu and blame others…?
Joey, the work you do is invaluable. Continue to fight the good fight. Don’t let the idiots in these comments get to you.
So many "I'm not vegan but wtf was Piers' debate?" Comments on his video on his channel 😂👏
This wasn't debate. Pierce only argument was "Bees"
"And you fell for it because you're an absolute simpleton" is a brilliant comment and will be my go-to retort from now on. 😂😂😂😂
"Hell yeah, I would drink urine!" 🤣🤣💀
Bro said that with no shame 😂
And I love the fact that you interrupted Piers, and that you took the lead in the conversation! Showing that footage and letting the pigs screams hear in the broadcast. I bet next time they will not allow you to bring your phone to the broadcast. Your style is great, it is fanatic, and you always show the urgency of the situation. Yes, the animal rights violations are massive, and the situation is urgent. If Ed want to be the calm one, that is good for him, but I think your style of animals rights advocacy very important. And the fact that you were in a gang, you were addicted, and now you are 10 years sober and you turned to the good, makes you even more special. You show how you want to protect the beings that can not protect themselves. You are a hero.
Joey handled himself so well. Especially getting the screams of the pigs in gas chambers footage out there for everyone to hear.
Oh Joey, keep up the good work you do. I was so frustrated watching this & angry inside at Piers & this restaurant owner. I appreciate & applaud your patience & love that keeps you going mate.
Holy moly, man. Big respect. This is a world stage you are talking on and you are holding your own. Even though I dont agree with your combative debate style, I have to admit that I couldnt do that.
You rock joey. Thank you So so much for informing others and spreading awarness. You are our hero
"Joey, Joey, Joey, Joey. What about the BEES Joey? Surely you can't survive without Avocados."
Brilliant work Joey, you’re such a great voice for the animals! 🌱💚👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
They treat you exactly the way men treat women when they bring up valid complaints. Invalidate her, say she's so emotional, etc. not a coincidence when veganism is seen as "feminine"
To be honest, I think it was totally wrong of the vegans who didn't go to his restaurant to give him 1-star reviews. I can understand (but don't agree with) that the chef thought he needed to ban them from his restaurant.
Have any of you come from piers show and discovered Joey?
I wish I was as quick at my responses as you. You did a fantastic job.
I’m not a vegan nor a vegetarian but I think you definitely won that argument. It was highly unprofessional of Piers to come at you like that, he just appeared as a pompous bully. Your point about that chef having a thin skin was really well made. The only constructive criticism I’d have is your use of the word “murder”. No obviously you feel passionately about this topic, but the word “kill” is just as powerful without alienating a lot of your audience. I was pretty annoyed watching how that interview was conducted, fair play, you did excellent
As a vegan, I agree - I steer away from language like murder and r*pe when referring to animals because the person listening will usually just view you as a crazy person and disregard what you’re saying entirely. Sticking with ‘animal abuse’ or ‘animal cruelty’ usually works better I’d say as it’s something most people would agree happens in the animal agriculture industry. Otherwise the debate would be about ‘it’s not murder, it’s not r*pe, that’s offensive’ rather than the intended point.
Thank you for commenting this. As a vegan it gives feedback people actually look behing Pierces sharades and listen to what’s said.
This chefs story was a witch hunt for all vegans from the start, because he can not handle criticism and because there are a lot of vegan haters because vegans tend to bring up the feeling of guilt in humans above.
"They nearly broke me"...This thing says it all...Poor little man...
As soon as I saw the John mountain vegan ban and heard what he said I got the mentality instantly! And I’m glad you seem to have the same point of view you’re totally exposing him
Hope to meet to you at the Campout Joey. Keep up your amazing work brother. 😊
P.S. PM is a oxygen thieving pos of note.
The restaurant owner is a snowflake 😂
and a mediocre cook, as well. Some of my friends had dinner at his eatery (meat, of course): it's overpriced, boring stuff. You can't call yourself a chef if you don't know how to cook vegetables, too.
David Ramms would call him a "meatflake."
@@someguy2135 Hey, I just read your story on your profile and let me say one thing: more power to you (and your cat, too.)
@@idnumamina Thank you. Still loving being vegan after about 7 years. I went vegan late in life, but I plan to live a lot longer, and will never go back to eating animals or what comes out of them. Once you know better, you have to do better.
@@someguy2135 That's for sure. May you live a long and fulfilling life. And don't forget to eat dark chocolate (I read it's really good for you!
Your a absolute legend bro, keep up the great work, I think you smashed it the interview...... Ledge, #PlantPower👌🤙🥑
Joey, it was not difficult to see what fools they made of themselves.
Its amazing how Piers deflect the same question he always use in his arguments on to Joey:
WHY ARE VEGAN'S SO ANGRY ??
Really Piers, cant you think of a more original question than asking the same lame question every time??
You did an amazing job 🙏❤
🙏 I watched It live, well done mate been a Patreon for years u still excel every year 👍👍👍😎
Apparently, some time ago Piers Morgan skipped the country. I wonder why. 🤔
Piers doesn't care about truth. He wants to produce entertainment content. You did extremely well Joey - I would have flipped the table
Good debate & video Joey. I'm glad you cleared up some background about the situation as well as why you brought up the fact that the other guy flipped out about the 2 star review, because that kind of confused me as well.
Not like it particularly matters though because the situation itself was basically completely pointless as the whole conversation was actually about veganism (and bees for some reason?) lol. The other guy was basically there for decoration.
Piers Morgan needs a TALKING STICK in his studio.
The person who has the stick does all the talking until he is finished making his statement.
Joey - you shouldnt go into a debate with Piers again without that walking stick
You did great Joey and all you could, Morgan just shouts everyone he disagrees with down. I'm sure he won't be asking you on his program again, as you were well ready for him.
Yeah Joey, I don't know how you're feeling about this Piers Morgan debate today. If you're having any qualms with yourself about how you conducted yourself or how you appeared, seriously don't sweat it.
It was like trying to talk sense with a three-year-old. A lot of people get frustrated with people who conduct themselves as Pierce does. No shame in it whatsoever.
Why are people who practise kindness to animals so threatening? The minute that fyre bloke can make a quid out of vegan food, he will do so.
I feel he was just being a Fb smart alec not realising it would get picked up by PM.
Joey, your gang history is perfect evidence a person can change.
I like how he just assumes vegans have almonds and avocado’s as their staple foods. The literally never touch almonds cause I dont like the taste. Wish he got around this point quicker to see what Piers would falls back on if the almond argument didnt stick
Great work Joey
Wow, how your look has changed in 5 years. The hair changed places : ) I think I like the old look better.