Honestly, the bitterness from the Fiji jury was the fact that they could not believe they lost to Dreamz. Dreamz was an uneducated homeless man and Alex was a Harvard educated lawyer. I guarantee you that Alex's ego was smashed seeing Dreamz in the final 3.
Danielle's jury speech in HvV has always hit me hard because it never feels particularly bitter. She, of every jury member, has the right to be bitter and to use her jury speech as a way of telling Russell exactly how he made her feel because the way he voted her out was horrible. How he speaks to her and treats her leads to her breaking down in tears in the tribal she's voted out at, and there was absolutely no strategic advantage to voting her out. Russell could have easily gone to final three with Parv and Danielle. But instead of being bitter and insulting him, she simply sums up that from what's happened so far, the jury clearly does not like him. She tells him that and that he isn't going to get any votes, and then she gives him a chance to apologise and to try and claw back any respect he can. She pretty much lays it out on a silver platter and he tosses it aside. And when he does, she simply says "okay, that's too bad." She was probably the nicest to Russell and he didn't deserve it. I've always held a lot of respect for Danielle for that. As much as I enjoy some of the more personal bitter jury speeches like Trish in Cagayan, I much prefer someone who recognises that it's a game and treats it as such. And the strength it takes to look past the fact that this man made you have an emotional breakdown and offer him a chance to apologise for _anything he did in the game_ is fucking admirable.
Bahah no Russell wouldn't have gotten her vote even if he apologised. Similar to Brenda in Caramoan she just wanted him to grovel in hopes of getting votes.
Ill never get over Bob getting hate for not letting himself be tricked by giving up his idol. They acted like it was evil of him to see through their plan.
yeah, I was rooting for Kenny until he was mad at Bob for not falling for his BS, especially since Kenny screwed his own game by not fully committing to him and Crystal flipping to Bob and Corrine.
@@josabby474 His plan was never to flip to Bob and Corinne since he intended to go to F3 with Crystal and either Susie or Sugar. Kenny simply voted for Matty because Bob and Corinne had promised him their Jury votes if he did so, and Matty had even been aware that Kenny would vote for him at Final 7 (as Kenny himself told him he was doing it, although he didn't say that was why) and was okay with it.
@@SpanishFly120 even though his plan was never to flip to Bob, he still had no right to be mad at Bob for not giving up the immunity necklace. Since he was never with Bob, he had absolutely no right to be angry or act like Bob had betrayed him. That’s just arrogant entitlement.
Bitter juries are inherently part of the game. The jury is allowed to feel however they want to, and whoever wins as a result, is still how the game is played. Now does that mean the winner is suppose to be liked by the fans? Nope.
@@esdeathisbae9480 I view it as robbed in the sense that they deserve to win a game- just not that season. That's just me though. A finalist can 100% play a winning game- just not the winning game for that season.
The Gabon jury and Fiji jury are the perfect examples of when bullying somehow works for tv and how it absolutely does not work for tv. I mean Randy’s a dick but I’d rather watch him on ten juries than see Alex or Lisi grandstand even once.
I’ll give Alex a pass because apparently while it wasn’t shown for some reason, Cassandra was pretty hateful towards him and Edgardo and would talk down to them for communicating with each other in Spanish, which is where his “do I need Edgardo to translate for me” comment comes from. Lisi was just miserable though
@@uglyaniimals as much as I like Corinne’s brutal cast assessments, and as irritating as Sugar was quite a few times, I unfortunately have to agree that this speech at the ftc was disgusting and pointless. Worse than all the jurors in Fiji, maybe except for Lisi.
There’s also bullying from the eventual finalists. Specifically Will Sims. I don’t care how annoying someone can be, there’s no justification to the way he talked to Shirin. It’s even pettier that it’s over a legitimate game assumption. I won’t be surprised if it played a big factor in him only getting a jury vote from Rodney, who was also quite an obnoxious bully.
The All-Stars jury was so incredibly nasty, they actually managed to tear down Rob to the point of him holding back tears. Just listen to the way he answers Alicia’s question.
Lex is such a hypocrite… did he not remember what he did to Ethan just a few tribal councils back… When I first watched the season when it aired I was actually on the side of the jury, for the most part (not Tom or Alicia), but now I see all of them being hyprocites and glad amber won lol
It wasn’t towards the finalists, but the Cagayan jury was absurdly bitter towards Kass. I genuinely find it difficult to watch her ponderosa, and the hate she receives from the cast there and in Cambodia feels really overblown from everything I’ve seen from her.
@@loganbrown6987 I feel like taking Kass's word on who she beats at the end should be taken with giant heaps of salt. Again, everyone literally avoided her at pondy.
I think a big part of it is she was just completely unlikable. Not in a “oh you betrayed me” kind of way. But a you’re a horrible person and I don’t want to know you.
honestly, with how bitter Scot was in his final tribal, its a surprise he went out with a lot less kicking, screaming, and wishes for his fellow contestants to get bit by a freaking crocodile
He just stole the camp tools and put out the fires. I think he was less bitter on the way out because he was already bitter once he realized his game was over before that lol.
"...in a move Debbie saw as toothless. It's the Brenda and Dawn scenario all over again." Casually delivered lines like this keep this channel in the top tier of Survivor UA-cam.
I'm genuinely curious 🤔 Who EXACTLY did Lex betray in All Stars? If you're answer is Colby...❌️ Srike one! He and Colby weren't even actual friends before the game. Colby flat out ignored Lex, but then two weeks before they left for All Stars, Colby tries hitting up Lex and acting like they've always been buds. If your answer is Ethan ❌️❌️ Strike two! He and Ethan are good friends and had a solid alliance in Africa. That doesn't mean the alliance automatically carries over into All Stars, and Lex never made any kind of deal to help protect Eithan in the game, so theidea that he did the same thing that Rob did to him is complete BS. If your answer is Jerri... ❌️❌️❌️ Strike three! You're Out! Lex protected Jerri for a few votes and let her in on what was happening, but he NEVER promised her a concrete position in his and Kathy's alliance. So WHO did he betray?
@@roger_towny_jr Didn't Lex literally say as he was voting each of them out in turn that it wasn't about friendship? He is the one that used the word.
@@joshduckworth1627 I don't see how that has anything to do with the question at hand. This is about weather or not Lex actually gave his word then betrayed that word.
@@roger_towny_jrfirst of all Lex had a goal to play the game differently than he did in Africa but he failed He voted out Colby because he feared he would go on a immunity run in the post merge so he voted him out even though he could have used Colby as a meat shield Ethan was voted out because Lex wanted to be all business and tried to make the vote not a blindside while Ethan was trying to save himself Jerri was a victim of Lex and Kathy’s plan to exploit Rib’s favor to save Amber even though Rob would still not live up to his promise so Lex decided to vote out Jerri but he didn’t want to be that type of person so he wanted to tell Jerri to make the blow not that bad Bonus point to make; Lex tried to be all business but when Rob came to Lex and said he can’t help him,Lex got emotional about Rob being all business
@@nvm9040 Reguardless of how true or false your statements are, none of this has ANYTHING to do with weather or not Lex actually betrayed anyone. Lex even says, in his own boot episode, "I have made a huge mistake. A game ending blunder." So it's not like Lex is oblivious that this is a game and how he only has himself to blame... He's STILL allowed to be upset that his real life friend came to him nearly in tears begging him to protect Amber only for him to then stab him in the back, and then have the audacity to laugh about it and proceed to be a cocky POS for the rest of the game.
my favorite thing about the Fiji jury is that Stacey was the nicest, fan favorite game changer legend queen strikes again 💕 (also Michelle asking Cassandra if she deserved a million dollars because she couldnt swim was absolutely top tier)
That season helped make Rob into a survivor star and get his soul mate, bitter jury or not he was a winner too. And later he won his season (in a meh season) with a still somewhat entertaining dominating game.
I was a kid when I watched Survivor Fiji and I remember being shocked by the vitriol the jury showed the FTC. Watching this now, I feel a lot of sympathy for Dreamz because he was in a no-win position. The jury sucked.
Take a look at some videos on the "Four Horsemen" alliance he had been on. He absolutely deserved to lose for backstabbing people the whole way through and not even trying to look conflicted. He even had the option on the previous council to trade his idol for the 2nd best reward, agreed beforehand, and then went back on it at the council. His play was the embodiment of winning the battle just to lose the war.
He wasn't in a no-win position. He was going home with an expensive truck and 100 grand one way or another. Earl said it best; he wouldn't have taken Yau Man's deal and thus would never have been in a position like that.
IT was truly no win, but if he gave the Idol to Yau-man on the condition of sending him to fire, he would at least have respect. Earl and Yau would take all the votes, but he coulda had a villain to hero arc regardless if he beats cassandra.
I love seeing Dave’s Ponderosa’s video because when he arrived, everyone was there being such a good sport about it. They recognised that it was a game and that just because he outplayed them, there didn’t need to be animosity.
I love it that she just made herself look more foolish.. possibly one of my most disliked players ever..... along with corinne.. who talked a mean game but didn't deliver in the game at all. Then went too far at final tribal.. just nasty
Never mind betraying Ethan and Colby, Lex was mad that someone dared vote against him. It's no wonder he would be as salty in All Stars, and the funny thing is, he could've and should've been the first member of the jury in Africa. He's too emotional for the game.
@@Shutterbun4 Because he played the "we're friends in real life" card with Rob, but when he was voting out Ethan and Colby (who were his real-life friends), it was "this is all business; no hard feelings."
@@nvm9040 they knew her game but Sugar never cared about winning in the final tribal regardless, why would someone who puts not effort to win ACTUALLY win? SHe easily could've gotten everyone but Corinnes vote (even Randy if she apologized)
Lex was BOOED at the All-Stars Reunion, and was Shunned by so many fans that he was NEVER asked to come back, and even if he was asked, he would Never return, after the Years & Years of Ridicule he got back in 2004. Personally, I always HATED Lex!!!
I believe he was asked for 40 before it became all winners & he was asked for blood vs water but he declined because he did not want to play against a family member
Russel is great at playing to get to the end and terrible at playing to win. There were things he said and did that weren't necessary and were simply mean so I don't think I could vote for him either. And yeah, Rob's game wasn't perfect in All Stars, but he did great both physically and strategically and Lex was such a hypocrite. He burns Colby and Ethan who thought they'd go far with him but he got rid of them for "his game" which was what Rob then does. I love what Shi-Ann says and the fact Rob proposes before the votes so it means technically Rob and Amber both won anyways.
Like Lex, you backstabbed ethan and said to his face you can't save him, but when rob outplays you for you doing a dumb play, aye man, it's nothin personal, it's just a game
The “Survivor: Palau” jury was very bitter with Katie and to an extent Tom. Also “Survivor: Guatemala” jury was bitter towards Stephenie and “Survivor: Vanuatu” jury was bitter towards Twila.
People too often confuse “bitter juries” with “incorrect outcomes”. Cagayan was a lot more hostile than 43 and yet it’s the latter that’s more often described as bitter (even after only a month). But I guess it’s more difficult to get mad at an obviously understandable choice than accept the decision between 3 mid choices
I don’t think 43s jury made the incorrect decision. Gabler player a better under the radar game than cassidy, his jury management and threat level management was a masterclass. Cassidy doesn’t even know what those two terms mean
The thing that can completely ruin a season is when the Jury takes things way too personally. I knew All-Stars would be on the list without even looking at the thumbnail.
I always felt bad for Parv in HvV. I like feel like she had to work with Russel because no one, other than Dani was willing to align with her. It wasn’t in her best interest to cut him since it would put her at risk up until the end. I feel like she got unfairly knocked for working with him because he was useful to her. Not saying Sandra shouldn’t have won only that the jury respected that Parv has to play with what she had. Russel was willing to play an idol on her when he could have been the one going out, you don’t give up people willing to take bullets for you.
I could kinda deal with Lex in Africa, but his hypocrisy is front and center in the All-stars jury. If Rob was the one betrayed, there's no chance in hell he's even half as bitter.
I’m thinking had amber been voted out before the merge in all stars lex & his alliance would have targeted rob at the merge & he might have been the merge boot on all stars
Lex was one of the biggest hypocrites in Survivor history. He was mad that Rob played Lex’s game better than Lex himself. Even today watching Lex declaring who would be voted out at each tribal like he’s a Survivor God still irritates me.
What’s funny is most of the time with these really bitter juries you’re thinking to yourself “Well as an audience that wasn’t personally affected, I can tell their strategy doesn’t deserve this much hate.” But with RUSSELL I just think “WOW this jury (Samoa specifically) doesn’t know the HALF OF IT” He thinks his game should be respected when he literally lied about being a firefighter in Katrina??? That’s what we all mean by nasty lies.
I get All-Stars are first... but I still think Fiji takes the cake because it was just everyone being unnecessarily mean to all of the jurors (even Yau-Man to an extent). I think the way that final tribal went really drags down the season in my rankings from below average to bad. It also probably cost at least one or two players (Alex in particular) their chance of coming back and playing again. The All-Stars one people were hurt, but it was far more of a betrayed hurt than anything else that they had very little time to come around on before FTC. Fiji was just being being mean for the sake of being mean.
I think Fiji was bad cause Dreams screwed Yau-man when let's face it could at worst tie earl and best beat at final tribal if how everyone treated him was to go by. It felt like Yau was robbed all case Dreams went back on his deal if he was taken out before then Ican see maybe the Jury being less bitter. Not even taking into account that even Earl voted for Yau-man instead of at least giving him a 2-2 firemaking challenge.
I mean, let's get real. Dreamz telling the AUDIENCE that he wanted his son to be proud of him and so he'd never go back on his word only to two episodes later renege on his deal was scummy. He can lie to the other players all he wants, that's the game. But what was the point of him doing that in a confessional that only the audience at home can see???? I found myself applauding Alex, Edgardo and Yau Man's lashings. It was super satisfying to hear them rip into Dreamz. Fuck Dreamz. He was shitty and cowardly and played stupidly. Destroying his alliance and taking Yau Man's deal were both stupid ideas.
Big Tom I get why he was so bitter with the all stars jury haha some of the other ones were like ehhh idk why Alicia was so bitter. Shii Ann was on point with the people in glass houses hahaha. The Samoa jury was so bitter and it came across as bitter that they were outplayed by Russell. H vs V jury Russell had no shot at winning both Sandra and Pavorti made big moves and did a lot in the game without burning as much bridges as Russell. Funny to think but with how bitter that jury was if he took Jerri to the end she probably wins it.
Bitter juries are not an excuse for your favorite not winning guys, it’s part of the game, and just face the fact that the person you wanted to win had to do something to make them bitter
@@thumbhead3370 That's the game and humanity overall though. Everyone is allowed to process how the game went in their own. Only juries that I can think of (IMO) that were totally uncalled for were All Stars (hypocrites), Scott/Jason (hypocrites) and 42 (that whole situation).
I've equated fans thinking some strategic mastermind or dominant player got robbed to a team who throws more hits in hockey, but gets outscored and loses. Hitting has its strategic value, and a team that outhits the other often sets themselves up nicely to win. It also looks really impressive to spectators and like they're "dominating" the game. But if you get outscored, you indisputably lost. The point of Survivor is to sway subjective, human voters to vote for you. If you don't, then you lost, no matter how dominant you looked in the dozen hours out of 39 days that viewers saw. And now I've commented on Survivor by comparing it to something arguably even more niche. Success!
No surprise about the number one jury in this list. That FTC is TOUGH to watch. Season 8 feels like a turning point for the show where “villains” (aka smart strategists) started to emerge as the true stars of the show.
The jury was NOT bitter on 43. They've literally all said in their interviews and I'm not allowing the fandom to change the narrative just because they're mad she didn't win. The jury and the final three say they weren't bitter. And if you made the jury bitter, you just lost. You didn't play a great game if you make them all hate you. Big moves, great alliances, betrayals, challenge wins... they mean nothing if the jury doesn't value them. This isn't a game about betrayals. This is a game about getting the jury to vote for you by whatever THEY value. If they don't value your behavior? You're going to lose.
the main reason the 43 jury claims they didnt vote for cassidy was because she didnt give up her immunity to take on jesse in fire making, which really just reinforces everything thats wrong with that twist. i fully respect that you need to be able to perceive the game that the jury wants you to play in order to get their votes, but nobody should ever have to give up their immunity at that point to sway the jury. any juror that puts so much weight on fire making does not respect the game. and i dont think it would have made a difference if cassidy did give up her immunity after heidi did so the following season to take out the biggest threat and they didnt respect her for that. it was just a convenient excuse for them to use because they got backlash for letting gabler win.
Should the 19/20 juries really be so high? I don't think I've ever seen anyone on either season be more than calmly frustrated at the finalists. To me it seems like they're here less because of the bitterness in the juries (yeah they are but I don't see how it's moreso than the 3rd to fifth on this list or indeed several juries that could have been honorably mentioned) and more because they are part of the mythos of bitter juries. In other words the truly bitter one was Russell.
It is valid to be bitter but it is not valid to deny the fact that some people have won ONLY because of that bitterness. (Amber, Natalie White). I will say the Chris win is something entirely in its own category. The endge of extinction players basically wanted to win by proxy. They told him what moves to make when he returned because they wanted their summer camp buddy to win it "for them."
Natalie did win for bitterness but idc. Russell decided to be an ass and thought he would get rewarded. When he referred to Sandra and Courtney as “One of these”, he lost right there in HvV. And throwing someone’s sock in the fire for no reason in Samoa. These moves weren’t strategic, they were moronic and petty.
Lex is 100% the most bitter juror ever, I would never want to sit across from him lol I've always wondered if Amber would have played again if Rob had won
Then how do you explain why was he in no way bitter at either Kim or Ethan his first time around? Especially given the circumstances that he was robbed in both the last two challenges, first by supposedly getting a question wrong that he actually had right, and losing the second because of his sickness.
Didn't Lex do the same thing to Ethan a couple episodes earlier? I don't know why he was so salty. Sat Ethan down and said we are friends but im gonna vote you out...
In my opinion, Rob and Russel are the two biggest winners. They proved their superiority in the game, which was the reason for such enmity and bitterness in the jury. Deep down, all three of those juries know they were humbled by Rob/Russel and instead of accepting they were beat, instead used their new found power as a jury to get petty revenge at the two men.
Venus said in a cameo, that Maria instantly began campaigning against Charlie as soon as she touched down on Ponderosa. Venus said Maria had a scorched earth mentality. Damn.
Without watching first, some predictions: All Stars, Samoa & Kaoh Rong - Top 3 Possibly includes Cagayan (Hella bitter towards Kass, and Tony until Spencer spoke), as well as Nicaragua & Redemple Temple. HvV maybe too, but these are just some guesses and I'm only 100% certain that those first three are on the list without watching first
I forgot to respond, watched it, agree mostly, although I’d have KR higher than 5, and I forgot about Gabon, but I feel it was more so just everyone hates Sugar and the only true bitter people were Corinne and Randy. Aside from that, solid list.
Some jury members are impossible due to their bloated egos, as well as hypocrisy. The latter was especially notable in HvV. Candice betrayed her tribe on both her seasons, and Rupert stole everything from the other tribe on PI, and Jerri accused Kel for smuggling beef jerky, yet they whine about someone else being a villain????? Give me a break
Not excusing him, but I think Rupert's just a guy who wholeheartedly and earnestly embraced the "theme" of the season. In PI, he was a pirate. In HvV, he was "heroic" and called out the dastardly villains.
@@Rodanguirus maybe, but it makes him look more hypocritical than heroic, especially after he went against Tom. He also sounded very pathetic in that banana rant.
@@slimbish605 how so? Sounds more like an excuse to her dumb decision, and it was not the first time she makes a dumb decision. We also know she tends to run excuses and/or play the victim, as she did multiple times throughout her time on the show.
The jury element is PRECISELY what makes the game so compelling, though. If it was simply "lie and backstab as much as you need" then it would be complete trash. It's that tightrope walk that makes winning Survivor as prestigious as it is.
@Shutterbun4 And that is what ruins the game of Survivor. People winning by default often ruins an otherwise great season. The jury is precisely the main problem with this game - among other problems such as Redemption Island and all these weird advantages.
Aubrey didn’t deserve to win anyways. She was on the verge of quitting early and as you said indecisive and wishy-washy. She was over-hyped by the fandom and her pathetic returnee performance validates my opinion.
For the seventeen millionth time... LEX! NEVER! MADE! ANY! KIND! OF DEAL! WITH ETHAN! THEN MERCILESSLY BETRAYED HIM THE FIRST CHANCE HE GOT! That never happened. Also, untrue about Colby. He was incredibly not cool with Lex until two weeks before they left for All Stars, then suddenly acts like they were always buds.
Also Lex and Rob had a real friendship, and Rob asked a game favor on that friendship/ All you need to see is Lex on the jury in Africa to know he’s not a bitter dude in nature. Intense, but not unfair
Want to appreciate the actual decent members of the Fiji jury: Michelle and Yau-Man. I also think Rocky was mostly fine, I just don't like how much he harped on Anthony pre-merge for being so passive and not being a "real" man by being aggressive
i think the jury on 43 was just as bitter as any other season, but what made them seem so much worse was that cassidy really hadn’t done enough for them to be that bitter towards her? most bitter juries are bitter bc they got blindsided by a strategic player who wasn’t good enough at jury management for them to be forgiven. but the 43 jury was bitter bc,,, cassidy DIDNT give up immunity to face jesse in fire??? the amount of hate she got just doesn’t match what she actually did in the game
Agreed. Gabler had a good move for sure but it felt gross how hostile they all were to Cassidy over basically nothing. Karla especially was frustrating to watch. She was throwing a temper tantrum because Cassidy didn't just literally let Karla vote her off.
Well said. I can genuinely respect the jury if they said they just liked Gabler more over Cass but they really are grasping straws IMO (limited view). Also, the part that really sent me was when Ryan (who failed to get Cassidy out the entire game) had the GAUL to say that Owen and Cassidy each won 1/3 of the competitions (which is true) but then audaciously said Gabler won the remaining? LIke bruh, just admit you liked Gabler more and call it a day rather than pull some BS arguments.
Yep. Maybe it was editing but we the viewer really aren’t shown why there was so much vitriol and bitterness towards Cassidy. Is it too soon to say it should be top five? Probably. BUT I think with more time it’s going to be more obvious how bitter that jury was. And before the Gabler fans come at me, I’m not even saying she should have won. But that jury was going for her jugular for no reason. And we really weren’t shown why they would be so hateful
Obviously, a jury being bitter means different things to different people, but I see it as actively voting against a person who hurt you in the game. And other than Karla voting against Cassidy, I didn't see that happen in 43. In fact, I thought they were one of the chillest tribals in recent memory. I think that season just does weird things to people's minds. It's like Mandela effect: the season.
They weren’t bitter, you answered it yourself, she didn’t do enough to warrant that. The Twitter hive mind is pushing that narrative but it’s completely false
Survivor fiji ftc was uncomfortable to watch how the jury treated them. You can tell they're pissed they had to vote for an African American to win, especially lisi.
The FTC in Gabon truly embodies how nasty and ugly that cast was and how I will never understand why anyone thinks of it as a great cast or good season. Those who weren't bland and forgettable were just mean spirited children.
For me, If I was a part of the Jury in Samoa and Heroes Vs. Villains, I'd vote for Russell in Samoa, but I would not vote for him in Heroes Vs. Villains because he did not take the time in Heroes Vs. Villains to learn from the mistakes he made that cost him the win in Samoa.
Imagine voting Amber so that Rob doesn’t get anything, just for them to get married right before the vote😭
*engaged not married
@@gerstein03 same thing
@@willipig2270 No it’s really not
@@OldBenKenobi2318It really is
Rob won without winning!
Honestly, the bitterness from the Fiji jury was the fact that they could not believe they lost to Dreamz. Dreamz was an uneducated homeless man and Alex was a Harvard educated lawyer. I guarantee you that Alex's ego was smashed seeing Dreamz in the final 3.
Ironic, Alex said Dreamz that he was not example for kids. When Alex was arrested for selling drugs.
Also a lot of them liked Yau and saw what Dreamz did as super sleazy
Dreamz kinda dug his own grave after what he did to yau
@@renatomatos90 He was arrested for marijuana possession, not selling it.
@@Captain-Sum.Ting-Wong Yeah that doesn’t make it any less wrong.
Danielle's jury speech in HvV has always hit me hard because it never feels particularly bitter. She, of every jury member, has the right to be bitter and to use her jury speech as a way of telling Russell exactly how he made her feel because the way he voted her out was horrible. How he speaks to her and treats her leads to her breaking down in tears in the tribal she's voted out at, and there was absolutely no strategic advantage to voting her out. Russell could have easily gone to final three with Parv and Danielle.
But instead of being bitter and insulting him, she simply sums up that from what's happened so far, the jury clearly does not like him. She tells him that and that he isn't going to get any votes, and then she gives him a chance to apologise and to try and claw back any respect he can. She pretty much lays it out on a silver platter and he tosses it aside. And when he does, she simply says "okay, that's too bad." She was probably the nicest to Russell and he didn't deserve it.
I've always held a lot of respect for Danielle for that. As much as I enjoy some of the more personal bitter jury speeches like Trish in Cagayan, I much prefer someone who recognises that it's a game and treats it as such. And the strength it takes to look past the fact that this man made you have an emotional breakdown and offer him a chance to apologise for _anything he did in the game_ is fucking admirable.
Danielle also knew a lot about jury management and its pitfalls herself, having been a finalist and lost the game
It's amazing cuz in general I don't care for Danielle but that FTC speech may be one of my favorites in the whole show
Agree. Danielle is such a kind and nice person. She didn't deserve to be treated like that for nothing.
The way she looks at him and silently said “that’s too bad” is actually pretty chilling.
Bahah no Russell wouldn't have gotten her vote even if he apologised. Similar to Brenda in Caramoan she just wanted him to grovel in hopes of getting votes.
man i love shii-ann, she was easily the person who had it the hardest socially in that season yet she was so composed and classy during that tribal
Her winning the bucket challenge is one of my all time favorite survivor moments.
They gave away a car at the reunion and Amber picked Shi-Ann.
Genuinely wonder how she didn’t win fan favorite or wasn’t in the top 2
Ill never get over Bob getting hate for not letting himself be tricked by giving up his idol. They acted like it was evil of him to see through their plan.
“They” as in just Kenny. I liked Kenny until that move, when Kenny became the biggest whiney dick 🙄
@@freddytang2128 Ah yes. Couldn't remember the name. Thank you.
yeah, I was rooting for Kenny until he was mad at Bob for not falling for his BS, especially since Kenny screwed his own game by not fully committing to him and Crystal flipping to Bob and Corrine.
@@josabby474 His plan was never to flip to Bob and Corinne since he intended to go to F3 with Crystal and either Susie or Sugar. Kenny simply voted for Matty because Bob and Corinne had promised him their Jury votes if he did so, and Matty had even been aware that Kenny would vote for him at Final 7 (as Kenny himself told him he was doing it, although he didn't say that was why) and was okay with it.
@@SpanishFly120 even though his plan was never to flip to Bob, he still had no right to be mad at Bob for not giving up the immunity necklace. Since he was never with Bob, he had absolutely no right to be angry or act like Bob had betrayed him. That’s just arrogant entitlement.
Bitter juries are inherently part of the game. The jury is allowed to feel however they want to, and whoever wins as a result, is still how the game is played. Now does that mean the winner is suppose to be liked by the fans? Nope.
That's fine but but players who lose aren't robbed because they didn't understand what their jury wanted
Agree 100%
Good gameplay and good television are always going to be at odds. And I'm 100% cool with that. Makes the game more deep and interesting.
@@thefoxoflaurels3437 that's a good way to look at it Russel is great television but he got outplayed by 2 "dumbass girls"
@@esdeathisbae9480 I view it as robbed in the sense that they deserve to win a game- just not that season. That's just me though. A finalist can 100% play a winning game- just not the winning game for that season.
The Gabon jury and Fiji jury are the perfect examples of when bullying somehow works for tv and how it absolutely does not work for tv. I mean Randy’s a dick but I’d rather watch him on ten juries than see Alex or Lisi grandstand even once.
I’ll give Alex a pass because apparently while it wasn’t shown for some reason, Cassandra was pretty hateful towards him and Edgardo and would talk down to them for communicating with each other in Spanish, which is where his “do I need Edgardo to translate for me” comment comes from.
Lisi was just miserable though
@@ursquidicuss8964 if it’s true, it makes Cassandra extra pitiful, and she already looked pitiful enough with her pretty dumb answers
randy is one thing but i thought corrine's jury speech was just as bad as any of the aforementioned fiji ones
@@uglyaniimals as much as I like Corinne’s brutal cast assessments, and as irritating as Sugar was quite a few times, I unfortunately have to agree that this speech at the ftc was disgusting and pointless. Worse than all the jurors in Fiji, maybe except for Lisi.
There’s also bullying from the eventual finalists. Specifically Will Sims. I don’t care how annoying someone can be, there’s no justification to the way he talked to Shirin. It’s even pettier that it’s over a legitimate game assumption. I won’t be surprised if it played a big factor in him only getting a jury vote from Rodney, who was also quite an obnoxious bully.
The All-Stars jury was so incredibly nasty, they actually managed to tear down Rob to the point of him holding back tears. Just listen to the way he answers Alicia’s question.
Rob pretty much seemed like he was ready to say "Can I just give up my spot and you all stop ripping me, and just give Ambuh the win?"
Pre game alliances really showed this season
Lex, Alicia,Kathy. Rob had no chance
@@murtamp9828 dude looked ready to dig a hole in the ground to hide inside.
Lex is such a hypocrite… did he not remember what he did to Ethan just a few tribal councils back…
When I first watched the season when it aired I was actually on the side of the jury, for the most part (not Tom or Alicia), but now I see all of them being hyprocites and glad amber won lol
It wasn’t towards the finalists, but the Cagayan jury was absurdly bitter towards Kass. I genuinely find it difficult to watch her ponderosa, and the hate she receives from the cast there and in Cambodia feels really overblown from everything I’ve seen from her.
The crazy thing is according to kass she would’ve won against woo
Yeah I remember that even LJ and Jefra were ignoring her. Like wtf she didn't vote for either of them
@@loganbrown6987 I feel like taking Kass's word on who she beats at the end should be taken with giant heaps of salt. Again, everyone literally avoided her at pondy.
@@loganbrown6987 yea of course she said that lol. Complete bs by Kass
I think a big part of it is she was just completely unlikable. Not in a “oh you betrayed me” kind of way. But a you’re a horrible person and I don’t want to know you.
honestly, with how bitter Scot was in his final tribal, its a surprise he went out with a lot less kicking, screaming, and wishes for his fellow contestants to get bit by a freaking crocodile
"Scumbags"
Jud
Wrong guy
He just stole the camp tools and put out the fires. I think he was less bitter on the way out because he was already bitter once he realized his game was over before that lol.
@@itstheref kinda like Sandra was after the Rupert vote on PI, only without screaming and cursing like a brat.
"...in a move Debbie saw as toothless. It's the Brenda and Dawn scenario all over again."
Casually delivered lines like this keep this channel in the top tier of Survivor UA-cam.
Lex betraying: 🙁
Lex betrayed: 😱
I'm genuinely curious 🤔
Who EXACTLY did Lex betray in All Stars?
If you're answer is Colby...❌️ Srike one!
He and Colby weren't even actual friends before the game. Colby flat out ignored Lex, but then two weeks before they left for All Stars, Colby tries hitting up Lex and acting like they've always been buds.
If your answer is Ethan ❌️❌️ Strike two!
He and Ethan are good friends and had a solid alliance in Africa. That doesn't mean the alliance automatically carries over into All Stars, and Lex never made any kind of deal to help protect Eithan in the game, so theidea that he did the same thing that Rob did to him is complete BS.
If your answer is Jerri... ❌️❌️❌️ Strike three! You're Out!
Lex protected Jerri for a few votes and let her in on what was happening, but he NEVER promised her a concrete position in his and Kathy's alliance.
So WHO did he betray?
@@roger_towny_jr Didn't Lex literally say as he was voting each of them out in turn that it wasn't about friendship? He is the one that used the word.
@@joshduckworth1627 I don't see how that has anything to do with the question at hand.
This is about weather or not Lex actually gave his word then betrayed that word.
@@roger_towny_jrfirst of all Lex had a goal to play the game differently than he did in Africa but he failed
He voted out Colby because he feared he would go on a immunity run in the post merge so he voted him out even though he could have used Colby as a meat shield
Ethan was voted out because Lex wanted to be all business and tried to make the vote not a blindside while Ethan was trying to save himself
Jerri was a victim of Lex and Kathy’s plan to exploit Rib’s favor to save Amber even though Rob would still not live up to his promise so Lex decided to vote out Jerri but he didn’t want to be that type of person so he wanted to tell Jerri to make the blow not that bad
Bonus point to make; Lex tried to be all business but when Rob came to Lex and said he can’t help him,Lex got emotional about Rob being all business
@@nvm9040 Reguardless of how true or false your statements are, none of this has ANYTHING to do with weather or not Lex actually betrayed anyone.
Lex even says, in his own boot episode, "I have made a huge mistake. A game ending blunder." So it's not like Lex is oblivious that this is a game and how he only has himself to blame...
He's STILL allowed to be upset that his real life friend came to him nearly in tears begging him to protect Amber only for him to then stab him in the back, and then have the audacity to laugh about it and proceed to be a cocky POS for the rest of the game.
Ngl they should've just skipped the Final Tribal in Fiji and just gave Earl the million
No way. I needed to see Dreamz get his balls stomped on. It can't happen enough.
“Candice heroically sums this up” I always enjoy the Candice shade 😂😂😂😂 ☠️
She’s absolutely right though, which makes her even more of an…interesting…Survivor
my favorite thing about the Fiji jury is that Stacey was the nicest, fan favorite game changer legend queen strikes again 💕 (also Michelle asking Cassandra if she deserved a million dollars because she couldnt swim was absolutely top tier)
Also Yao Man, he was one least bitter.
Stacey wasn’t nice
@@JuanRodriguez-tf7fh during the jury segment she sure as shit was the nicest, which is the irony
The bitter jury was worth it, for Rob and Amber. 20 years on they’re still going strong, have a beautiful family and a robust bank account.
That season helped make Rob into a survivor star and get his soul mate, bitter jury or not he was a winner too. And later he won his season (in a meh season) with a still somewhat entertaining dominating game.
I just want survivor to last long enough for a Romber kid to play 😂
I mean, if Katie has played already, who we saw as a kid in Australian Outback, and Cirie's kid almost played DvG, maybe tbh.
I'd love that, see how much a daughter would play like the Rob-Father.
I have a feeling 50 will be the last season
I was a kid when I watched Survivor Fiji and I remember being shocked by the vitriol the jury showed the FTC.
Watching this now, I feel a lot of sympathy for Dreamz because he was in a no-win position. The jury sucked.
Take a look at some videos on the "Four Horsemen" alliance he had been on. He absolutely deserved to lose for backstabbing people the whole way through and not even trying to look conflicted.
He even had the option on the previous council to trade his idol for the 2nd best reward, agreed beforehand, and then went back on it at the council. His play was the embodiment of winning the battle just to lose the war.
He wasn't in a no-win position. He was going home with an expensive truck and 100 grand one way or another. Earl said it best; he wouldn't have taken Yau Man's deal and thus would never have been in a position like that.
IT was truly no win, but if he gave the Idol to Yau-man on the condition of sending him to fire, he would at least have respect. Earl and Yau would take all the votes, but he coulda had a villain to hero arc regardless if he beats cassandra.
Are we gonna talk about the Brady Bunch of a jury that was David Vs Goliath? Everyone was genuinely happy at Ponderosa with every new arrival.
“Whoever organised that…is getting my vote”
I love seeing Dave’s Ponderosa’s video because when he arrived, everyone was there being such a good sport about it. They recognised that it was a game and that just because he outplayed them, there didn’t need to be animosity.
Michele's tribal council is underrated she does not have one bad answer and Aubrey sort of plays the Twilia to her Chris.
Holy shit. Reciting eenie meenie miney mo to a group of 3 black finalists on national tv is certainly... a choice.
and then basically accusing one of them of not being able to count... god damn.
she literally looks like the typical racist too
I love it that she just made herself look more foolish.. possibly one of my most disliked players ever..... along with corinne.. who talked a mean game but didn't deliver in the game at all. Then went too far at final tribal.. just nasty
It was the 2000's where you could do this and not get roasted for this
Literally. If she knew the historical context, then she is a weirdo.
Never mind betraying Ethan and Colby, Lex was mad that someone dared vote against him. It's no wonder he would be as salty in All Stars, and the funny thing is, he could've and should've been the first member of the jury in Africa. He's too emotional for the game.
How did he "betray" Ethan and Colby? They didn't even vote together! (except for Richard, which was a unanimous boot)
He tried to be all business
@@Shutterbun4 Because he played the "we're friends in real life" card with Rob, but when he was voting out Ethan and Colby (who were his real-life friends), it was "this is all business; no hard feelings."
@@RodanguirusThey were like best friends, he was right by being angry at Rob, Boston Rob attempted to even humilate him at the conversation both had
I cant get over the fact that Sugar didnt get one vote, shes my winner
Sugar is one of best players in that final three
@@nvm9040 she IS the best player she played a phenomenal game in Gabon
@@sibernout7717 yes most definitely but the jury hated her so they were never going to recognize her game
@@nvm9040 they knew her game but Sugar never cared about winning in the final tribal regardless, why would someone who puts not effort to win ACTUALLY win? SHe easily could've gotten everyone but Corinnes vote (even Randy if she apologized)
@@sibernout7717 yea obviously if she did those things but she didn’t and those hurt her already dominant gameplay
Lex was BOOED at the All-Stars Reunion, and was Shunned by so many fans that he was NEVER asked to come back, and even if he was asked, he would Never return, after the Years & Years of Ridicule he got back in 2004.
Personally, I always HATED Lex!!!
I believe he was asked for 40 before it became all winners & he was asked for blood vs water but he declined because he did not want to play against a family member
Russel is great at playing to get to the end and terrible at playing to win. There were things he said and did that weren't necessary and were simply mean so I don't think I could vote for him either.
And yeah, Rob's game wasn't perfect in All Stars, but he did great both physically and strategically and Lex was such a hypocrite. He burns Colby and Ethan who thought they'd go far with him but he got rid of them for "his game" which was what Rob then does. I love what Shi-Ann says and the fact Rob proposes before the votes so it means technically Rob and Amber both won anyways.
Like Lex, you backstabbed ethan and said to his face you can't save him, but when rob outplays you for you doing a dumb play, aye man, it's nothin personal, it's just a game
@@whotfduece08 Yeah it was very hypocritical. That's the game.
Russell sucked at social game & final tribal council
What I find very funny is that Russell was one of the "Aubry got robbed" people.
I still use that Tom quote all the time to my brother "Don't be stupid, stupid!"
The “Survivor: Palau” jury was very bitter with Katie and to an extent Tom. Also “Survivor: Guatemala” jury was bitter towards Stephenie and “Survivor: Vanuatu” jury was bitter towards Twila.
People too often confuse “bitter juries” with “incorrect outcomes”. Cagayan was a lot more hostile than 43 and yet it’s the latter that’s more often described as bitter (even after only a month). But I guess it’s more difficult to get mad at an obviously understandable choice than accept the decision between 3 mid choices
Hostile yes but they still voted for tony which was the right call
I don’t think 43s jury made the incorrect decision. Gabler player a better under the radar game than cassidy, his jury management and threat level management was a masterclass. Cassidy doesn’t even know what those two terms mean
I didn't mind gabler winning it was more the fact that for some reason EVERYONE was OBSESSED with Cassidy when she did nothing
@@TransparentEclipseI’m not trying to debate the outcome but focus on what the general audience might be thinking
I worded that wrong I didn't think she was robbed that was just the general perception
The thing that can completely ruin a season is when the Jury takes things way too personally. I knew All-Stars would be on the list without even looking at the thumbnail.
I always felt bad for Parv in HvV. I like feel like she had to work with Russel because no one, other than Dani was willing to align with her. It wasn’t in her best interest to cut him since it would put her at risk up until the end. I feel like she got unfairly knocked for working with him because he was useful to her. Not saying Sandra shouldn’t have won only that the jury respected that Parv has to play with what she had. Russel was willing to play an idol on her when he could have been the one going out, you don’t give up people willing to take bullets for you.
Parvati should have won. Russell's mistake was Damielle & telling Parv about Jerri
wait wait wait... 11:48 Did you just say Candice did something heroic?... Are... you... feeling alright?
Candice? From Raro tribe?
Well, anyone looks heroic against Russell.
I could kinda deal with Lex in Africa, but his hypocrisy is front and center in the All-stars jury. If Rob was the one betrayed, there's no chance in hell he's even half as bitter.
I’m thinking had amber been voted out before the merge in all stars lex & his alliance would have targeted rob at the merge & he might have been the merge boot on all stars
HAHAHHAA 15:19
Luke: "Ethan alone dated like 30 women from the first 7 seasons"
Ethan: "That big"
Lex was one of the biggest hypocrites in Survivor history. He was mad that Rob played Lex’s game better than Lex himself. Even today watching Lex declaring who would be voted out at each tribal like he’s a Survivor God still irritates me.
Michelle, Yauman, Stacey, and surprisingly Rocky were decent jurors in Fiji.
Edgardo was okay, too. One question, and he was done.
What’s funny is most of the time with these really bitter juries you’re thinking to yourself “Well as an audience that wasn’t personally affected, I can tell their strategy doesn’t deserve this much hate.”
But with RUSSELL I just think “WOW this jury (Samoa specifically) doesn’t know the HALF OF IT”
He thinks his game should be respected when he literally lied about being a firefighter in Katrina??? That’s what we all mean by nasty lies.
I get All-Stars are first... but I still think Fiji takes the cake because it was just everyone being unnecessarily mean to all of the jurors (even Yau-Man to an extent). I think the way that final tribal went really drags down the season in my rankings from below average to bad. It also probably cost at least one or two players (Alex in particular) their chance of coming back and playing again.
The All-Stars one people were hurt, but it was far more of a betrayed hurt than anything else that they had very little time to come around on before FTC. Fiji was just being being mean for the sake of being mean.
I think Fiji was bad cause Dreams screwed Yau-man when let's face it could at worst tie earl and best beat at final tribal if how everyone treated him was to go by. It felt like Yau was robbed all case Dreams went back on his deal if he was taken out before then Ican see maybe the Jury being less bitter. Not even taking into account that even Earl voted for Yau-man instead of at least giving him a 2-2 firemaking challenge.
Should have mentioned the “I ❤ Rob” shirt was Ambers dig back at the jury, basically her own F yall
Even the lighting for the all stars final tribal makes it look eerie
Corinne and Reed to name two will go down as having some of the best jury lines. Brutal and no holds bar
I mean, let's get real. Dreamz telling the AUDIENCE that he wanted his son to be proud of him and so he'd never go back on his word only to two episodes later renege on his deal was scummy.
He can lie to the other players all he wants, that's the game. But what was the point of him doing that in a confessional that only the audience at home can see????
I found myself applauding Alex, Edgardo and Yau Man's lashings. It was super satisfying to hear them rip into Dreamz. Fuck Dreamz. He was shitty and cowardly and played stupidly. Destroying his alliance and taking Yau Man's deal were both stupid ideas.
Big Tom I get why he was so bitter with the all stars jury haha some of the other ones were like ehhh idk why Alicia was so bitter. Shii Ann was on point with the people in glass houses hahaha.
The Samoa jury was so bitter and it came across as bitter that they were outplayed by Russell. H vs V jury Russell had no shot at winning both Sandra and Pavorti made big moves and did a lot in the game without burning as much bridges as Russell. Funny to think but with how bitter that jury was if he took Jerri to the end she probably wins it.
Yeah, Rob was shit-talking Tom's son for no real reason (that we saw). I give him a bit of leeway in that whole deal.
Bitter juries are not an excuse for your favorite not winning guys, it’s part of the game, and just face the fact that the person you wanted to win had to do something to make them bitter
This is silly. There are 100% plenty of instances of totally unreasonable jury behavior.
@@thumbhead3370 That's the game and humanity overall though. Everyone is allowed to process how the game went in their own. Only juries that I can think of (IMO) that were totally uncalled for were All Stars (hypocrites), Scott/Jason (hypocrites) and 42 (that whole situation).
I've equated fans thinking some strategic mastermind or dominant player got robbed to a team who throws more hits in hockey, but gets outscored and loses. Hitting has its strategic value, and a team that outhits the other often sets themselves up nicely to win. It also looks really impressive to spectators and like they're "dominating" the game. But if you get outscored, you indisputably lost. The point of Survivor is to sway subjective, human voters to vote for you. If you don't, then you lost, no matter how dominant you looked in the dozen hours out of 39 days that viewers saw.
And now I've commented on Survivor by comparing it to something arguably even more niche. Success!
No surprise about the number one jury in this list. That FTC is TOUGH to watch. Season 8 feels like a turning point for the show where “villains” (aka smart strategists) started to emerge as the true stars of the show.
Watch russels video on why he thinks he lost heroes versus villains. He has finally understood how unnecessarily horrible he was
The jury was NOT bitter on 43. They've literally all said in their interviews and I'm not allowing the fandom to change the narrative just because they're mad she didn't win. The jury and the final three say they weren't bitter.
And if you made the jury bitter, you just lost. You didn't play a great game if you make them all hate you. Big moves, great alliances, betrayals, challenge wins... they mean nothing if the jury doesn't value them. This isn't a game about betrayals. This is a game about getting the jury to vote for you by whatever THEY value. If they don't value your behavior? You're going to lose.
the main reason the 43 jury claims they didnt vote for cassidy was because she didnt give up her immunity to take on jesse in fire making, which really just reinforces everything thats wrong with that twist. i fully respect that you need to be able to perceive the game that the jury wants you to play in order to get their votes, but nobody should ever have to give up their immunity at that point to sway the jury. any juror that puts so much weight on fire making does not respect the game. and i dont think it would have made a difference if cassidy did give up her immunity after heidi did so the following season to take out the biggest threat and they didnt respect her for that. it was just a convenient excuse for them to use because they got backlash for letting gabler win.
Cassidy really should have won though she is gorgeous too I love her
I'm with Big Tom on this one, the yoink was hilarious
Thanks for telling us you’re a 14 y.o🙂
@@otpyg13 It's not that serious
I’d like to give a dishonorable mention of Ozzy in Micronesia. He was so whiny and pathetic in that ftc, it wasn’t even funny.
Should the 19/20 juries really be so high? I don't think I've ever seen anyone on either season be more than calmly frustrated at the finalists. To me it seems like they're here less because of the bitterness in the juries (yeah they are but I don't see how it's moreso than the 3rd to fifth on this list or indeed several juries that could have been honorably mentioned) and more because they are part of the mythos of bitter juries. In other words the truly bitter one was Russell.
15:25 pissing myself at this, I love Ethan
The amount of work you put into the old man character with the make up is awesome!
I miss the bitter juries. I knew All-Stars would be #1.
Bring this kind of game back!
Nuh. I dont think being a bitter loser is ever acceptable. If you lose it means you lose fair & square. Its a game, get over it.
It is valid to be bitter but it is not valid to deny the fact that some people have won ONLY because of that bitterness. (Amber, Natalie White). I will say the Chris win is something entirely in its own category. The endge of extinction players basically wanted to win by proxy. They told him what moves to make when he returned because they wanted their summer camp buddy to win it "for them."
Natalie did win for bitterness but idc. Russell decided to be an ass and thought he would get rewarded. When he referred to Sandra and Courtney as “One of these”, he lost right there in HvV. And throwing someone’s sock in the fire for no reason in Samoa. These moves weren’t strategic, they were moronic and petty.
Is bitter juries really a thing though because part of the game is to vote people out in a way that makes them want to give you the money
yeah, it's fair to call the jury from fiji racist.
Lex is such a crybaby. How many people did he backstab and he has the nerve to lecture Rob.
Get Clarence over here! Where's his second chance? The man is hilarious on podcasts!
That’s what annoys me about Lex. His hypocrisy. That’s also notable with other jurors, like Candice and Debbie.
Sandra winning twice is the wildest thing to me…. But that’s how the cookie crumbles I guess 🤷🏽♂️
Am I the only one who HATES the new jury format? Every juror should have their own time, not an open forum
I’m not a fan
Lex is 100% the most bitter juror ever, I would never want to sit across from him lol
I've always wondered if Amber would have played again if Rob had won
I mean you just have to see how he handled receiving two votes his first season.
@@elliefaunt1447 Remember how lovable Rupert handled his first vote against? He was ready to pop Fairplay's head off.
Then how do you explain why was he in no way bitter at either Kim or Ethan his first time around? Especially given the circumstances that he was robbed in both the last two challenges, first by supposedly getting a question wrong that he actually had right, and losing the second because of his sickness.
lol we would never hear Amber's name ever again
Didn't Lex do the same thing to Ethan a couple episodes earlier? I don't know why he was so salty. Sat Ethan down and said we are friends but im gonna vote you out...
In my opinion, Rob and Russel are the two biggest winners. They proved their superiority in the game, which was the reason for such enmity and bitterness in the jury. Deep down, all three of those juries know they were humbled by Rob/Russel and instead of accepting they were beat, instead used their new found power as a jury to get petty revenge at the two men.
add Maria to this list
Oof, it’s even rougher watching Bens recent interview, where he said he would have picked Charlie in a tie easy.
And karla
Venus said in a cameo, that Maria instantly began campaigning against Charlie as soon as she touched down on Ponderosa. Venus said Maria had a scorched earth mentality. Damn.
I will not stand for this Cambodia slander. One of the few survivor seasons I can watch after the fact and still enjoy.
Most of them have double standards. They would do the same thing in their shoes.
Michelle played the lamest game of the 3 when she won. Shes a horrible winner.
“That big”. You’re wrong for that 😂
Without watching first, some predictions:
All Stars, Samoa & Kaoh Rong - Top 3
Possibly includes Cagayan (Hella bitter towards Kass, and Tony until Spencer spoke), as well as Nicaragua & Redemple Temple. HvV maybe too, but these are just some guesses and I'm only 100% certain that those first three are on the list without watching first
I forgot to respond, watched it, agree mostly, although I’d have KR higher than 5, and I forgot about Gabon, but I feel it was more so just everyone hates Sugar and the only true bitter people were Corinne and Randy. Aside from that, solid list.
Lex was such a little girl 🙄
Some jury members are impossible due to their bloated egos, as well as hypocrisy. The latter was especially notable in HvV. Candice betrayed her tribe on both her seasons, and Rupert stole everything from the other tribe on PI, and Jerri accused Kel for smuggling beef jerky, yet they whine about someone else being a villain????? Give me a break
Not excusing him, but I think Rupert's just a guy who wholeheartedly and earnestly embraced the "theme" of the season. In PI, he was a pirate. In HvV, he was "heroic" and called out the dastardly villains.
@@Rodanguirus maybe, but it makes him look more hypocritical than heroic, especially after he went against Tom. He also sounded very pathetic in that banana rant.
Candice betrayed her HVV tribe for a good reason, they were so mean to her for literally 0 reason
@@slimbish605 how so? Sounds more like an excuse to her dumb decision, and it was not the first time she makes a dumb decision. We also know she tends to run excuses and/or play the victim, as she did multiple times throughout her time on the show.
Russell is wrong about America voting but he is correct about the game having a problem by design with the jury element.
The jury element is PRECISELY what makes the game so compelling, though. If it was simply "lie and backstab as much as you need" then it would be complete trash. It's that tightrope walk that makes winning Survivor as prestigious as it is.
@Shutterbun4 And that is what ruins the game of Survivor. People winning by default often ruins an otherwise great season. The jury is precisely the main problem with this game - among other problems such as Redemption Island and all these weird advantages.
Aubrey didn’t deserve to win anyways. She was on the verge of quitting early and as you said indecisive and wishy-washy. She was over-hyped by the fandom and her pathetic returnee performance validates my opinion.
Survivor South Africa season 7 had the most bitter jury I’ve ever seen.
For the seventeen millionth time...
LEX! NEVER! MADE! ANY! KIND! OF DEAL! WITH ETHAN! THEN MERCILESSLY BETRAYED HIM THE FIRST CHANCE HE GOT!
That never happened.
Also, untrue about Colby. He was incredibly not cool with Lex until two weeks before they left for All Stars, then suddenly acts like they were always buds.
Don’t confuse them with facts. B Rob fans can’t deal with that. AND even if Lex is a hypocrite it doesn’t mean he is wrong in what he said.
Also Lex and Rob had a real friendship, and Rob asked a game favor on that friendship/
All you need to see is Lex on the jury in Africa to know he’s not a bitter dude in nature. Intense, but not unfair
Big Tom was in his late 40s??? Whaaat?????
😂😂😂
Want to appreciate the actual decent members of the Fiji jury: Michelle and Yau-Man. I also think Rocky was mostly fine, I just don't like how much he harped on Anthony pre-merge for being so passive and not being a "real" man by being aggressive
Great vid bud
i think the jury on 43 was just as bitter as any other season, but what made them seem so much worse was that cassidy really hadn’t done enough for them to be that bitter towards her? most bitter juries are bitter bc they got blindsided by a strategic player who wasn’t good enough at jury management for them to be forgiven. but the 43 jury was bitter bc,,, cassidy DIDNT give up immunity to face jesse in fire??? the amount of hate she got just doesn’t match what she actually did in the game
Agreed. Gabler had a good move for sure but it felt gross how hostile they all were to Cassidy over basically nothing. Karla especially was frustrating to watch. She was throwing a temper tantrum because Cassidy didn't just literally let Karla vote her off.
Well said. I can genuinely respect the jury if they said they just liked Gabler more over Cass but they really are grasping straws IMO (limited view). Also, the part that really sent me was when Ryan (who failed to get Cassidy out the entire game) had the GAUL to say that Owen and Cassidy each won 1/3 of the competitions (which is true) but then audaciously said Gabler won the remaining? LIke bruh, just admit you liked Gabler more and call it a day rather than pull some BS arguments.
Yep. Maybe it was editing but we the viewer really aren’t shown why there was so much vitriol and bitterness towards Cassidy. Is it too soon to say it should be top five? Probably. BUT I think with more time it’s going to be more obvious how bitter that jury was.
And before the Gabler fans come at me, I’m not even saying she should have won. But that jury was going for her jugular for no reason. And we really weren’t shown why they would be so hateful
Obviously, a jury being bitter means different things to different people, but I see it as actively voting against a person who hurt you in the game. And other than Karla voting against Cassidy, I didn't see that happen in 43. In fact, I thought they were one of the chillest tribals in recent memory. I think that season just does weird things to people's minds. It's like Mandela effect: the season.
They weren’t bitter, you answered it yourself, she didn’t do enough to warrant that. The Twitter hive mind is pushing that narrative but it’s completely false
Fiji jury is racist, not bitter. Period.
Are we forgetting about Marquesas? They all thought Kathy should have won and trashed Neleh
I like this list, not one of these juries on here was surprising to see 👍
I feel like the south pacific jury could be added to this list
Natalie played a great game? She is the equivalent of "female Luigi", I literally forgot she existed until I watched this video.
Idk if this would even make for a good video but I wonder what would be considered the least bitter juries
All Stars Jury was so bitter like damn
hey hey hey jane was all of our favorites dont lie
Can survivor uk be included? The recent 2023, jury was extremely bitter. They weren't even ready to listen to chris
Honorable mention: Nicaragua @ Sash
Honorable mention: Thailand
Absolutely no fecks in sight
Russell was a great strategic survivor player but he’s a jerk. I don’t blame the juries tbh.
Survivor fiji ftc was uncomfortable to watch how the jury treated them. You can tell they're pissed they had to vote for an African American to win, especially lisi.
Fitting that Rupert is on two of these juries. Would love to see a video on the most overrated players of all time. I have Rupert #1, Ozzie #2.
😮😮This game is about luck and outplaying each other. Don’t think these are real friends and acting bitter just makes a person look sad.
Randy's elimination is still one of my favorite survivor moments. Nobody deserved it more
The FTC in Gabon truly embodies how nasty and ugly that cast was and how I will never understand why anyone thinks of it as a great cast or good season. Those who weren't bland and forgettable were just mean spirited children.
For me, If I was a part of the Jury in Samoa and Heroes Vs. Villains, I'd vote for Russell in Samoa, but I would not vote for him in Heroes Vs. Villains because he did not take the time in Heroes Vs. Villains to learn from the mistakes he made that cost him the win in Samoa.
What’s with the diss on Jane at 10:40 I loved her in Nicaragua
I don’t get what’s wrong with Jane being fan favorite? She’s awesome, Fabio already won, and no one else on that season was memorable
What was wrong with Jane being voted fan favorite? She deserved it.