6 DAYS IN MEXICO JAIL - SCARY TOURIST EXPERIENCE
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- Опубліковано 28 лют 2022
- Recently, some tourists visiting Mexico have had awful experiences of being locked up abroad after overstaying their tourist permit.
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There was a viral video about a German guy who was visiting Mexico, he thought that he was allowed to stay here for 180 days, but they only gave him 26 upon arrival.
After getting caught at an immigration checkpoint, he was then put in jail. This is his horrifying story and my take on the situation.
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I'm Jordan and am an American living in Mexico with my Husky, Laska. In January of 2018 I left the US to start traveling Mexico. Since then, I've been making travel videos about my life in Mexico, travel tips, Las Vegas tips videos, and advice for those considering moving abroad.
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I wanted to get this video out to you sooner than this week but because of our 1-video-every-saturday upload schedule, a lot of times it takes longer to publish videos than we'd like. In this case, the video is kind of time sensitive because this is an analysis of a recent viral instagram video. We're not planning on posting a video this Saturday but we'll be back on our normal schedule the week after.
That's is crazy rule
Mucho Grasious
I had to pay $1000 to expedite my US green card to US immigration in 2005. My immigration lawyer said I could not paid, but it would take a lot longer. Mexico is learning from the USA.
Although this is crazy. What if tourists are not carrying their passport with them when they go to a beach or an excursion? I always leave the passport at the place where I am staying
Who is we ? I got the impression from another video that you and Maddie are no longer doing videos so is Tangerine Travels the we, just wondering. Thx :)
I suggest checking in with the closest branch of your embassy/consulate to introduce yourself, get their contact information, etc. Get names of staff so you have specific people you can contact. Let them advise you of any issues you need to be aware of. They're always nice and you'll be glad you made the effort if you (God forbid!) need help. Just a reminder - put copies of all your docs, (including tickets & itenery) in the cloud - it can really save you a lot of red tape and delays if they're lost or stolen! This is a terrifying story - so glad he made it out okay! Thanks for sharing this!
You can check in with the USPP website & put in all your travel info so they are aware of your plans . . .
@@cjwhitehead5657 This is assuming the person knows what "USPP" is.....Can you help out there??
Thanks for making this video. A lot of stuff on your channel is fun and informative. This is probably the most important video you have made. Everyone going to Mexico needs to know this.
Wow, I've been to Mexico, Cancun specifically many times and never checked the visa for how many days I could stay. This is excellent information you are getting out Jordan. Your videos are much better these days. You're doing a great job!
checking your tourist card is very important! Thats the takeaway from this video.
To be honest ive never even seen the number of days maybe i never paid attention
Just spent 2 weeks never check
Dodged a bullet
To be fair, he didn't read his visa, which he carried with him, and then overstayed. Mexico is cracking down on the perpetual tourist living in Mexico. The majority of illegal immigrants in the US also overstay their visa. Nobody complains when they are detained and deported. Mexico is free to make and enforce their laws. It sucks that he got detained, but it was a violation of their law.
Exactly
If one needs to be detained in the USA or any other country it needs to be in a humane way and processed quickly. This man couldn't even get a phone call. And many USA citizens did complain and protest the way these people are treated. Most didn't have Visas, they are seeking asylum not overstaying visas. Mexico seems arbitrary in the length of stay. I can't see this is going to be good for people just going for a short vacation and will hurt the tourism industry
@@kr-jj5kr we are not worried, if anything this will be a purge of the type of tourists that enter Mexico. If you are entitled, ignorant and feckless, then you dont get to visit. That sounds great for me :)
Hey Jordan, I'm pretty sure you're telling my story about getting deported... I'm the only Australian I've heard of to be deported. Occasionally I meet Aussies at parties and they say "Wait, so you're the guy who everyone talks about in those Facebook threads?"
I'll share some of the details to clarify things. I was on a bus from CDMX to Gdl in 2017. My tourist card had long expired but I thought it wasn't such a big deal. It was different then, nobody had ever checked my papers before that night.
They found me on the bus, took me to a detention centre in Iztapalapa. Nothing fancy, but at least I can say it was not violent. It was certainly not a prison. The people there were all in a similar situation to me, many from Central America and they were on their way to the USA. I was there for 9 days, then they sent me back to Sydney, with two gentleman accompanying me to make sure I arrived. Flights paid for by the Mexican taxpayer as you said.
What you said about not being able to collect my belongings from my apartment is accurate. I had to get some things shipped. Fortunately I didn't have any pets.
I was banned for two years, but now I'm back in Guadalajara and happily a documented resident.
I have heard more reports of people being detained recently. One Dutch fellow just a couple of weeks ago in Cancún; they charged a fine and gave him a few days to leave the country. Another fellow told me that he was detained and they gave him the opportunity to pay a fine and receive 1 year of temporary residency. There is considerable variance in the process.
Re: financial motivation. The rumour at the time I was deported... The Trump admin was supposedly paying 200-500 USD per head deported from Mexico. It was supposed to be an extra barrier of immigration enforcement for those Central Americans trying to make their way to the US
By the way, I'd love to have you on my podcast some time to talk about a personal challenge you faced that was transformative for you. The podcast is called A Beautiful Thought, www.beautifulpodcast.com
Have a good one, ¡saludos desde Guadalajara!
Thanks for clarifying those details! I was trying to remember it as best as I could but I had only seen the video once and it was before I moved to Mexico 4 years ago.
And by the way, although many of the details of that story were kind of blurry because it had been so long, I do remember that the person from that video was living in Guadalajara, so it must've been you. I find it kind of funny that I remembered you having a pet. Maybe at the time I was watching the video I was thinking something like "damn what if he had a dog back home in GDL, the dog would've been left there." And then 5 years later I remember you having a dog. Lol. Did you do an interview with the dollar vigilante about it? I think it was on his channel.
If you want to get me on your podcast send me an email. I've been extremely busy but maybe we can make it work.
Aussie - glad you’re back where you want to be. So many stories - some horrible like the German Jordan just featured, but others mas tranquilo. Jordan - thx for Tangerine’s focusing on the need for travelers to travel smart and read that little box at the bottom!
@@TangerineTravels yes, Jeff Berwick interviewed me about it for Anarchast. Looks like it's still up on UA-cam, which I didn't expect
ua-cam.com/video/ohuyFEjfnFU/v-deo.html
I can't see your email on your site or on UA-cam. I signed up to your mailing list just now, maybe I'll find it on there.
@@waldosgrade thanks, it's great to be here. I definitely appreciate it more these days
Wow, your video cleared up a nagging question I had about my recent trip to Mexico. On my arrival to Mexico City, as in the many previous trips I had taken, I thought everyone was automatically permitted a 180-day stay. I filled out the immigration form and, when asked by the immigration officer about the length of my stay, I replied that I planned to stay in Mexico for a week. His reply was, don't worry, I'll give you 10 days, so you won't have any problems. I thought this was strange at the time, but now, it makes a lot more sense.
Good information Jordan! Thanks a million, will definitely review the FMM when I arrive in Mexico. Cheers!
Thank you for posting this video. I was in Guadalajara last year, flew in from Los Angeles. I never thought to look at the fmm for stay time. When I go again you can be sure it will be the first thing I check into. What a way to ruin a wonderful experience. I love Mexico and never thought of myself as a guest in their country. My mindset has changed today. So appreciative of your sharing this man's experience. Thank you💖
yes, strange that you just assumed Mexico should take you in just because and be thankful for your presence.
@@dumajimo I lived in Guadalajara for 10 years so it has always been my other hometown
@@ccoolstuff1 did you even stay on a resident visa or just assumed that Mexicans should be ok with you living there on a tourist visa? Yes. You are still a GUEST/IMMIGRANT Mexico is not a franchise of wherever you come from (assuming USA).
@@dumajimo I was 11 years old when we moved to Mexico. And no I never thought about anything other than being a kid and learning to ride a skate board. Not one thought other than just being there and loving my new life.
Read how many days they give you! But it will get worse since way to many locals are complaining about tourists moving in and making everything more expensive rentals restaurants even street food.
Such a scary experience 😬 😳. Thanks for breaking it down for us Jordan!
LOl.. Jordan this is not true.. my Mexican husband said they have changed the law and being illegal in Mexico is not a crime anymore. This guy would have been detained in a detention center, but not a prison.
Maybe it’s just that the detention center standards are so bad in Mexico that they seem like what would be the worst prison in Germany.
Yes, your husbsnd is right
Wow 😳 this scares me! I have a story. Back 20 yrs ago. I would go to Mexico with my brother in law to visit his family in Monterey MX. One year back in those days, my long time boyfriend's mom was passing away and he was here in the US so he went to Monterrey to be with his mom. He grew up with my Brother in law so their families were both in the same area in Monterey. So I decided to go to Monterey with my 4 yr old on the bus! I took a bus that was also like a courier between here and MX and it was the cheapest way to travel. I was in my 20s. I didn't know what I was getting into! I was confident because I had been there a few times before with no trouble but we all drove together to MX the times before. This time I was by myself with my 4 yr old. So we got to the border and got off the bus and had to go talk to the border agents and when it was my turn, the agent didn't approve me because my 4 yr old didn't have the right paper work from his dad! For all the agent knew, I could be kidnapping someone's child! This guy who was my age talked to them and his dad owned the bus company that I was on. He couldn't talk the agent into giving me approval either 😂. So the young guy said 'just get back on the bus.' So I did! Everyone on the bus had their paperwork and we were stopped by the military along the way a few times and they were checking paperwork. I would just give them our American IDs and they would look at me so confused. The young guy was watching me while they did that. At the 2nd military stop, he told the military guys as soon as they boarded the bus that I was his wife and my son was his baby so they didn't even check me from that point. They knew that bus company. So needless to say, I entered without the correct paperwork. It was extremely scary and I was extremely blessed to not to not be taken off the bus and I definitely learned my lesson and I will never travel like that again! 😂. We got to Monterey about 6 hours late and 'Thank God's my boyfriend was still at the bus stop waiting for me. I was so relieved when I saw him there and I told him that the young guy helped me out. We both thanked the young guy so many times. It was a long horrible ride. Needless to say how many times my boyfriend told me I was illegal. But I am blessed that I was there to help take his mom to her appointments, etc.
If I go to the US and overstay my visa is the same process ICE would stop and detain me, the same thing in Germany. I don't know where is the surprise. Just be self-aware of your visa status any country you go to.
@Kamil as you stated, probably this guy refused to leave the country and that’s the consequence. Could happen.
The difference is in the USA 🇺🇸 you won’t be tricked into thinking you have a 180 days when in fact you only have 5days. If you’re determined at lease you know you’ve over stayed your time or jump the fence.
I know this guy shouldn't have taken for granted the process or assumed he got the 180 days, and also some things he says are full assumptions (like the Mexican government getting some sort of economic benefit) but he shouldn't have been in prison for that long (or ever ). Unfortunately, here in Mexico justice is just for the wealthy and influential (us locals have always known that from all these corruption-related cases in media and sometimes experiences from loved ones or friends)
False. In nyc they will give you free college free food free Heathcare if your illegal including drivers license calif same long Island same
@@joelincolnlincoln6315 bs
The takeaway from this is-before you leave the immigration booth, ask how many days they allowed (if you can not read the number they wrote). You need to be informed and alert when you go to Mexico now.
Yes, but shouldn’t you do that every time you go into any country as a tourist? At least it is what I’ve always done.
Agree
Keep in mind that any country you enter, it is your responsibility knowing when you have to leave.
@@marite135 Normally the allowed duration of a visit to a country is stated in laws of that country, and is based on the purpose of the visit, your nationality, etc. I always l check the laws BEFORE planning a trip. But now, in Mexico, the duration of the visit is at the discretion of the immigration officer. That was my reason for the comment. I do not normally ask the immigration officer because I already know the law. But the Mexican law is whatever the immigration officer determines.😬
@@markstringer8536 Yes, they can be real bastards, a lot of them hate foreigners, same with USA border officials.
THANK YOU SO MUCH JORDAN FOR SHARING THIS INFORMATION.
I never even knew about that little box. Great video, so sad for what happened to him
Something doesn't quite make sense. I feel like he's exagerating
@@Anonymint-vj7bt There's laws in Mexico and you have to respect the laws, just like any other country. You think Mexico is paradise and you you thing can just walk in and stay as long as you want. Nope, just like in the U.S they give you a visa for 60 days and you stay longer than that, you know ICE will go look for you. Don't like Mexican laws go to other country no big deal.
Key phrase "In the PAST they issued 180 days"...
Important information! Thanks for posting. It’s so confusing when they change things.
This is incredibly scary. We're definitely going to pay more attention. Thank you for this...
I hate to jinx myself, but when i fly down on united i use the online FMM process and it pre-populates 180 days on the form - it’s never been overridden by immigration at the airport
I had a similar thing happen when I tried to legally visit the US from mexico. The US gov website stated that people from Europe (I’m from England) have to fill in an entry application if arriving by land. The guard at the entrance to the us border building checked my passport and ok’d me to enter the building. At the next desk I was arrested for being in the building without a visa??!! Locked in a tiny overcrowded underground cell for 4 days, then held in a US detention centre (which was within a real prison) for 3 weeks, then made to fly back to England. I was told it’s a “private for profit” DC. It’s funded by tax payers money. The whole experience was unbelievable! Same as this guy, they wouldn’t tell me anything, I couldn’t make a phone call for 5 days, treated like a criminal Etc… I was an innocent tourist. My family and friends had me listed as a missing person. It was dreadful! & I suffered ptsd afterwards.
Are you ok now, recovered from PTSD?
@@robster7012 The ordeal happened to mean 3 years ago, but, I still have mild symptoms. Especially in the night, I often wake up with a strong sense of fear and panic.
@@deeleerambles I'm a natural health practitioner. Have you looked into EMDR and or EFT? I'm not looking for business just wanted to share
@@robster7012 Thanks, I’ve not looked into EFT. My healing therapy was to move to the countryside in Wales for a year, and to write a book about my ordeal (The book is called “Detained” on Amazon) I was also interviewed on the “BreakFear find Freedom” podcast & UA-cam channel which helped with the talking therapy side of things. I’ll check out EFT thanks.
@@deeleerambles I'll check out your book. All the best 🙏🏻
Eye opener! Thanks for sharing this info!
What an ordeal !!!!Thank you for sharing your story. I am sure it has helped many people.
Hi Jordan. Thank you for sharing. I am nearly overwhelmed with so much urging to make forward moves, signs, wonders, words are all around me & my daughter. All my Best to everyone who will be embarking on their journey to their Best Life 🌾🎆🙏
Don't try to live in Mexico on a FMM. If you want to live in Mexico, get residency. Most of the people that are getting in trouble have been using a FMM to live in Mexico. The FMM isn't for that.
@@stevenf7683 Appreciate the information. Blissings ✨
There are always two sides of a story. I personally have witnessed when people become confrontational at Mexican immigration. Many of these people overstay their visas in Mexico. Folks you well know the consequences when someone overstays in the USA.
Many of these tourist are also setting up businesses and not doing it the correct way. Always remember, there are two sides of a story.
I’ve also seen many situations where people made assumptions that were wrong. Your assumption that he became confrontational with Mexican immigration could be true, but it might also be completely wrong. I’ve also commonly seen this thing going around that whenever anyone is a victim of a crime in Mexico they say they must’ve done something to deserve it. Although it may be true that there was a lot of violence that goes on between cartels, I’m sure there are some times where there is an innocent victim, and people just assuming things that doesn’t help the situation. I think it’s better to give people the benefit of the doubt when we don’t know for sure. It makes us more compassionate people.
@@TobyNomad but he was breaking the law the paper was given to him said 26 days he should have read it people who get detaine in the USA can sometimes wait months in a detention center. Before getting deported, just because it says detention center it doesn’t make it any nicer to be in
Yes, but just because immigration is handled poorly in the US, it doesn’t make it OK to do the same here. And people make mistakes but that is no reason to keep them confined without giving them the right to a call. Even criminals that have harmed people have that right. Even if someone were confrontational, that person still has human rights.
@@claucemicro1080 Inmates are not allowed a phone call in many countries. Not sure if Mexico is one? I know in the US, they had to actually put it into the bill of rights. if I am not mistaken.
@@claucemicro1080 Human rights don't apply to 3rd world governments. Therefore when you are visiting countries that are corrupt, don't respect human rights and have different laws than your own country you exercise due diligence, read up on current visa rules, you memorise the phone number of the local embassy and you especially check the damned time stamp on your visa paper to know how long you can stay in the country so you don't overstay by months.
Thanks for posting this, Jordan. I will share on some xpat facebook groups of which I am a member. This topic comes up periodically
Since the caravans started coming up from central and south America, Cuba, other Asian countries Mexico has stepped up their immigration enforcement asking non-Mexicans for proof of legal status.
What is most disturbing about this account is the description of indefinite detention for some, the withholding of communication with the outside world and the conditions within prison. All of this seems contrary to human rights and international law and is no way justified by an expired tourist visa. I have been thinking of going to Mexico but having heard this - and it's consistent with much that I've heard about things can go badly wrong there - I won't be now.
I just received my residency visa and given all of the recent changes, was very surprised by what was suggested in my consulate interview. She wanted to know why I didn’t just go for 180 days and then do border runs to renew. I told her that first, there are no guarantees of renewal and, anyway, it sounded illegal. I wanted to move country permanently and to follow all of the immigration laws. She made the same suggestion a few times…maybe it was a test. Finally, she approved the visa. By the way, I’m retiring and meet the new and higher economic solvency requirements, no problem.
Almost certainly was a test, or a setup.
Where in Mexico did you get your visa?
@@aldorabarrow5829 you have to apply outside of Mexico. I went to Sacramento, CA because it was the nearest to my home. You then have 180 days to enter Mexico and then 30 days to go to INM to complete the process.
They were squeezing you all. To call and get some ex pat money. Cops in Mexico always corrupt.
Thanks for this information.
Thanks, great information.
Wow - Jordan that is a brilliant powerful video, does it make you question your thoughts about staying & living in Mexico ?
@@henryf5001 why ? Are you unfamiliar with most countries having immigration laws? And, in the US, remember there are toddlers separated from their parents.
For many years, I never bothered applying for Mexican residency on the assumption that the 180-day tourist visa was good enough for my purposes. Now, after watching these videos about tourist problems in Mexico, I'm glad that I pursued residency. In 2019, the process was simple and to my amazement I got permanent residency right off the bat. Nowadays, it sounds like Mexico isn't giving out residency quite so easily anymore.....Anyone spending a lot of time in Mexico and contemplating residency should probably apply sooner rather than later.
I loved the two years I spent in Ajijic and I came back to Canada to apply for residency and squeeked in but now the income requirements have doubled so there's no way I can come back. Sad. Having spent some time in both Panama and Ecuador before Mexico no question that Mexico was by far the best.
This was a very informative video, give a real insight what it's really about
Good information. Thank you!
Very informative video Jordan. I cant believe how stupid I am for not paying more attention to the visitors visas. My stays have been no longer than 2 weeks mind you, but what if I was only given 7 days? Wow, I'll be paying more attention next time I visit!
TL;DW: Entitled tourist thinks that with his all-powerful European passport he's automatically granted a 6-month stay instead of reading and actually following local law.
Jordin you are an extraordinary person in doing this!
Informing in this way
Blessings to you!
Always look at all your your experiences as opportunities to learn about everything it is to live an adventurous life. Thank you for sharing your adventures, experiences, and various personal stories about other people's stories!👍
I just went to cancun for five days - they stamped me 180 days LOL - I am American 🇺🇸
Did you carry the passport with you all the time?
Maybe it depends on the immigration agent you go through when entering. There should be a publicly stated standard for everyone to see.
It’s not the stamp that shows your days, it’s the number they scribble at the bottom with a pen.
Years ago, I went backpacking around Mexico. When we arrived we said that were staying for 4 months, but 2 months later we realised that we were given only 90 days, so we went to a migration office and extended the visa. It would be very useful if migration tell you how many days they have given you so you are aware.
Saying that, it's also our responsibility to check how many days we have been given.
Its also a good idea to ask if they don't tell you or read the passport
@@guzlui1 : They don´t write the number of days you are granted on the passport. They are supposed to jot it down on the FMM, but sometimes they don´t because I went to Cancun for two days last Monday and the immigration officer left that box blank. Too bad I cannot share the picture here. I had to reach out to a friend with connections inside the INM to find out that I had actually been granted 180 days. Four months ago I was only authorized to be 2 days in the country, which was exactly the length of time I intended to stay, but I found it insulting becasue if my Covid test had come back positive, I would have been illegal in the country until I tested negative and were allowed to fly back to the US.
Great info! Thanks I always check my visa!
Hi Jordan,
Thanks for the video. I can understand why you have shared this post, and if it helps to raise awareness for people to check their entry stamps, then it has been worthwhile. I practiced Immigration Law in the UK for many years and I find it a little troubling that people are travelling without any regard to the immigration laws, rules and regulations of the countries that they visit. Every country has it's own set of rules. Legislation is a very rigid form and every country uses their own set of rules and regulations to implement the current needs they require from their laws. This allows for fluctuations within the nation's economy, demographics, politics, etc.
The most important guidelines for travelers should be:
1. Before travelling check if a visa is required.
2. Always look at your entry stamp and ensure you understand what it states.
3. Before travelling, check where your Embassy is, and note their contact details.
4. Keep your passport on you, but leave a copy of your passport number with a friend or family member, and a copy at your hotel.
5. Know your basic rights in the country you are travelling to.
When an Immigration Officer is considering how long to grant entry for, they are taking into account many factors such as; your nationality, travel plans, income, travel history and any previous acts of illegality. This is why people are given differing lengths of stay. I don't think corruption can be blamed for this. As for detention prior to deportation. Every country has it's own standards of incarceration. In the UK we tend to use designated detention centers (they are pretty awful), but like many other less affluent countries around the world, Mexico has a plethora of rather dire prisons. This is not a reflection of the country's attitude to overstayers, it's just the result of decades of financial deprivation.
Sorry if this seems a bit long winded, I wanted to highlight a few important considerations.
Keep up the good work and best wishes. 😊
Excellent information! Thank you!
This is very helpful.
You don't think it has anything to do with corruption????? LOL
Everything you mention is worth consideration. But keep in mind this is Mexico. If the government doesn't like the color of your house, they just seize your property and toss out your ownership papers. Laws and rights are a joke. Cash is king. In some respects, it is wilder than an old west town (Tombstone AZ etc).
Well said.
This is a really crappy and unfortunate situation. But at the same time ignorance is no excuse. I’ve had several FMMs for Mexico over the last 5 years or so. When you enter the country they ask you how long you’re staying. Most times they will write the full 180 days on the FMM but sometimes they will write the actual length of your trip. All he had to do was look at the stamped FMM form, it would have said 26 days on it. The reality is he assumed he had 6 months and didn’t bother to look at his paperwork.
Or he didn't care.
A lot of this is about how Mexicans are treated abroad.
Yes, still, the denial to a phone call is disturbing.
@@claucemicro1080 It is the same for others in Mexican jail. If you don't like the time, don't commit the crime. Sorry to say but it is the way it is in Mexico.
You are blaming the victim. Clean your brain.
Its the pressure that US puts on mexico to watch over their southern border, that's why all the changes. US doesn't want immigrants to move thru Mexico to enter the US. Theres a huge backload in US detention centers, so mexico tries to do its best detaining whoever they can. Example, a visa is now required for Venezuelans & Ecuadorians to enter mexico (at US request) as there was a huge amount of caravans coming and invading border towns. Those central and southern Americans deported from US facilities (which are worse than mexico) were deported to mexico, even though mexico is not their country (at US request also). So, yes, mexico tries to please US as well. Have been hearing this from spanish speaking immigrants.
This is old inaccurate news. Everything changed drastically the 1st week Biden took over. The election essentially was, open borders or no open borders. Biden followed through with open borders. I go through the Tijuana border 3 times a week. All my friends in Tijuana who were from other countries besides mexixo , that had been trying to get into USA for several years, were all let in. Within 60 days from Biden taken over. I just met a 50 year old guy from Africa in Tijuana last month. It was his first few days in mexixo. He said usa border patrol told him, fill out the asylum papers, then you get to go to usa in 30 days. Almost everytime I walk back into usa is a large group of 400 guys from guatalama elnsalvadore, everyday. They do not look homeless, tired, like they walked to border for months. They were probably on their couch in el Salvatore, flew to Tijuana, waited the 30 days and are now walking into usa with usa paid cell phones, usa paid flight tickets to their city of choice, and cash for spending. Its in the news its no secret. The usa border is wide open. Only people left in mexixo would be Mexicans as I believe they don't get allowed into usa as easily. Because they would be asked to wait in mexixo for asylum court date which most asylum.cases are fake and 80bto 90% rejected. I must know 400 people in usa all got their papers through fake marriage and fake asylum. Never met anyone who really had to leave an entire country because of some crazed gang member.
@@joelincolnlincoln6315 will I actually live in Tijuana. I know Venezuelans who got deported from US to mexico instead of deported to their own country. I also see lazy guatemalans, Hondurans, even Venezuelans sleeping on the streets in tijuana, giving the city a very bad image, many asking for money without working. Theres many immigrants living in the abandoned and isolated pieces of land in rosarito where they hang out, they make night fires out in the open on the streets to keep themselves warm. Makes me question if they are the ones who started the tijuana fires in the first place! Recently the city cleaned up a garbage landfill caused by the immigrants, it was disgusting, they were told to leave. Also, they ask me for money everyday, I pass by those streets and can tell you the street names where they stand. I cross the border also 2- 3 times per week. I live on both sides of the border. I have also lived in the southern border, in fact know people from Haiti and seen how crowded those immigration facilities are. They are filled with Haitians, Cubans, central Americans in Chiapas, but also in tijuana there's alot of problems. Its not as easy as you think for them to enter US after Biden. Many are rejected, Mexico accepted that they wait for their US processing papers in Mexico, but it has created overcrowding and I personally think they should apply in their own country rather than cross thru mexico. Another problem is the type of people entering mexico, there has been no filter like the US has with background checks, etc, so many enter with an aggressive history. My family was attacked by caravans, random cars were ruined, property damage everywhere, even murders by central americans. I even had to pay for the property damage they caused (in tijuana), its in the thousands of dollars. Damage caused by Colombians and Venezuelans that show no respect, they see mexico as a place they can disrespect and step on, many come with so much anger. How is any country supposed to handle so much hate and aggression coming in without filters? Isn't it a right every country has to protect its citizens? I dont like how they step all over mexico or how they think any person can enter the US, thats a big lie. The US takes its precautions, it doesnt just let anyone in, they are strict in that matter and should. The only group I know has been very respectful are Haitians and they get along very good, we enjoy having them in tijuana, I don't support the aggressive central/southern Americans or any aggressive person no matter where they're from. I was in mexicali and the border had to be closed due to a Guatemalan killing a mexican. Just not right.
@@joelincolnlincoln6315 as of January 26, 2022, mexico does require a visa from Venezuelans to enter mexico.
Exactly.
Invaluable information. Thanks Jordan!!
Last week I saw a news article, I think in the New York Times, about a woman who spent 10 days in jail in Los Angeles after being arrested at LAX. She has the same name as a woman from Texas for whom there was a warrant and the LAPD did nothing to verify her identity. She did nothing wrong and spent more time in jail than this guy who violated the law, intentional or not. And a jail in LA is not pleasant. Bad things happen to people in the US also. I've been treated very well in Mexico and I keep my documents in order.
First of all, the level of entitlement of this guy is terrible. I know it is a terrible experience but there is no way it was not dated in the form or the passport. Regarding the phone call that I do believe it was the corrupt police, because by law he should have phone calls privilege. It is illegal to uncommunicate someone since it is considered as kidnapping. I don''t know if it was a language barrier but do hope people do not take for granted the 180 days. No country is obliged to give the maximum days, countries can even deny you the entry. I hope the border officials do a better job describing the days allowed. (In my case when I travel to USA, they don't even say anything back, just asks questions, stamps and welcome, next). It is ones responsability to review the documents.
This comment is very naive and foolish. It’s VERY possible that the form was illegible and very possible that he was not given proper calling rights. You’re basically talking out of you butt and I guess want to feel superior. It’s not helpful or informative.
I just recently as of last week go my Mexican residency and they told me at the Mexican consulate in Canada they said the reason that Mexico is cracking down on the length of days they are giving people is because with all the tourists and expat’s moving there is driving up the cost of living for the people of Mexico.
This is why.. Americans and others gaming the system..rents and rental prices in many places going up thousands of percent.. but I do laugh at listening to comments about prison conditions..I think lots of details are left out of this story
That's what I figured and to remedy they have to enforce the laws or people are just going ti stay, it doesn't matter, they won't enforce it. But makes sense.. expats drive costs of living up
Yeah, and they're raising the solvency requirements, effectively limiting the number of new residents. Whatever that balance is between the huge revenue stream they get from foreigners, vs. the cost of living it creates for their people. I guess the aim is to still benefit from the tourism, but to better regulate the people living here.
That’s an interesting comment, I wonder how true it is. I would think that overall it is a net gain when people are coming there and spending money that they made in US dollars or Canadian dollars because it creates more jobs.
Eso es verdad , yo vivo en Cancún y aquí ha aumentado exageradamente los precios de las viviendas tanto que ya los precios son en dólares 💵… la calidad de vida en Cancún y en todo Quintana Roo es muy muy cara , nuestro sueldo no es igual a la de un Estadounidense o Canadiense. Nos han aumentando muchísimo los costos de viviendas.
The same happened with me in tanzania last year. I tried to renew my visa through my friends friend who worked st immigration and i didnt get my visa back at the right time so i was in a country for a month without visa. They found out and first night i spent in a police cell and the next night in an actual prison. And then i had to pay to get out and i was deported from tanzania
Sorry that happened to you. What is your nationality if I may ask ? Do you speak Swahili ? I am currently trying to learn it.
Wow. I had an expired visa for months. They caught me at the airport heading back to Atlanta. The airport officials took all the money I had in my wallet (about $80) and then let me get on the plane.
Boo freaking hoo, the same thing INS in the US did to me when visiting family in Tucson AZ. Mind you Im an American Citizen US veteran and my family has an American Visa we got stopped driving by INS and they didn't even care we had our documents, they took us to PHX to an "Immigration detention center" "to sort it out" we were there for 9hrs then they put us on a van without telling us anything, took us back to Tucson to another "Detention Center" where they let us go, they had our car there. No sorry, no explanation whats so ever
Here I am in beautiful San Miguel de Allende. I immediately checked my visa. Whew! 180 days. Thank you for the warning. I love Mexico and the Mexican people. I will always check the days forever after this.
Enjoy your time in SMA. It's a great place. I'll be there in June.
what a nightmare, thanks for sharing. glad your safe.
I’m really liking your new channel
Thanks so much Jordan for sharing this video I sent you. I figured it was important. I'm a Canadian with a Permanent Residence in the USA and I stay in Celaya when I'm in Mexico, not far from Qiueretaro as you know. When I saw this video I thought of you immediately, because you've been talking about the change in Immigration here in Mexico. Thanks again Jordan.
Thanks for sharing!!
Hey I'm curious why are you staying in Celaya? It's more dangerous than other cities. How did you decide to pick to live there?
@@lovedestinyz It's no better than any other city. But I feel safe here. I know that that Celaya has had a reputation because of the Cartels, but to tell you the truth I feel safe here.
I feel bad for the German guy, the authorities were defently heavy handed. But who moves to another country for a few years and doesn't even bother to Google the immigration laws?
Didn’t you listen? He explained from the beginning and found info about how long he is granted to stay. It’s Mexico’s fault for abruptly changing its laws and not giving sufficient time for people to inform themselves.
@@Anonymint-vj7bt The German guy, yes agree. My comment was on the Australian guy who moved to Mexico and had been living there for a few years.
@@domizzi626 yes, that's true for the German guy, which I agree authorities over reacted. The second part of my comment was about the Australian guy who had been living in Mexico for a few years without bothering to renew his visa or inform himself on the rules.
Not really, countries change their rules all the time and announce them through official channels. Its the immigrant's responsibility to be aware of that.
Thanks for the video.
Wow great video. You and this gentleman has potentially saved hundreds of lives.
Jordan, I lived in Mexico ten years. Dual citizenship. Anyway, as a teenager, I was arrested for reasons other than immigration. The Mexican authorities treat Mexican citizens the same way and sometimes even worse. I experienced it myself. Also, in Mexico, you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent. It is not the US. GREAT INFO JORDAN!
Wrong. Currently you are innocent according to the law.
@@davidandressanchezgarcia450 Wow, cosas han cambiado mucho. Deje Mexico en el 77. Gracias.
@@davidandressanchezgarcia450 Don’t get into a car accident where there is any injury, because even if the other party is at fault, you are going to jail until it all gets sorted out. You are guilty until proven innocent
@@HamiltonRb In the case you mention you are right, but it is also truth that according to the situación is the criteria for law's application. Greetings.
@@HamiltonRb you are responsable for blood injuries, so you are detein in a MP but you are then judged within 72 hours by law
While living in Playa Del Carmen, back in 1998, I was hanging out at my buddies tattoo shop, “Scream Ink Tattoo” and an Immigration bus, rolled right down 5th Ave and started throwing tourists on the bus. I did not have my tourist card on my person and was thrown on the bus. This is not new, Mexico enforces their immigration policy’s for as long as I have been traveling there.
Thanks for sharing this testimony
Excellent information. Thank you.
Look every country has a right to modify immigration laws. Corruption, yes, but it is changing. Travelers need to be cautious and aware of traveling in different areas. In the past laws have been too lax and now things have changed. If you are not comfortable with them, don’t travel to Mexico.
That's just it, the laws have changed to what? Seems like no one knows. We're at the whims of the customs agent. How can you make plans if you don't know the length of your stay?
Exactly! I guess the economy is doing better now that they don’t need our money spent in Mexico 🇲🇽
The point here is that it changed very randomly and without any announcement or explanation, and it is actually confusing and difficult because they scribble it at the bottom and it’s very difficult to read and you wouldn’t even know to look for it unless you saw videos like this or really did a lot of due diligence research which the average person, probably you included, normally does not do. It’s easy to make a comment like this from your couch in hindsight. It’s also overkill to have somebody in a jail for six days. I hope the next time that you make a mistake or overlook some detail, people are more compassionate to you than you are to this person.
@@capncmbk knowing the length of your stay is actually making a plan! I mean who really goes to a country and travels around and no end game plan? Look at your paperwork. I guess Im not independently wealthy so I dont usually jet off to foreign countries with no relatives for months on end. jajaja
Maybe the Mexican govt. should spend more time and resources on cracking down on their drug cartels rather than hastling tourists who go there and spend money which helps their local economies.
Every one loves Mexico but don't break a law. They have a guilty until proved innocent system in Mexico. Years ago a friend who I knew had a girl friend in Mexico and would visit her . He also had relatives he would also visit while he was there. He was traveling in his car and a commercial truck hit him. He was rushed to the hospital. Within a few days he had been found guilty and they were planning on sending him to prison while he was still in the hospital. What they did not know was his relatives were high ranking in the Mexican government. Charges were dropped and he quickly returned to Texas. Nothings changed over the years.
Great information video. Sad that traveler had such a terrible experience in a foreign place.
Scary. Thanks for sharing! Going to Cancun-Puerto Morelos later this month. Will register with the CDN embassy for sure.
I'm glad you covered this. I saw this IG post a few weeks back and was horrified. I can't believe there are people defending Mexico here and blaming this guy like he's some villain that went out of his way to break the law. Normally if you overstay a tourist visa in most countries, you get a fine and they send you to the airport. That's it. That's all the punishment you should get. Just charge people a fine for whatever days they stayed over and send them to the airport. Why in the hell would you lock any non-violent people away in prison? Over a simple oversight on a tourist card. Gimme a break. There's no defense of this bullshit.
Hey great video! The problem is that while the 180 days may have been the norm for many years due to the perpetual tourist syndrome they have been cracking down big time. Qroo Paul on his channel stated that the law on the books doesn't say everyone gets 180 days but that's the max. This topic has been covered adnauseum for months and and everyone needs to be prepared when they don't get the standard 180 those days are gone!
I don’t think it has anything to do with perpetual tourist syndrome. I think Mexico has issues right now, especially with the US. Apparently, also with certain European countries.
I just got 180 days, was actually staying for 10. Maybe it depends on how you are perceived and where you are entering. Or maybe Mexico watched this German guy's video and realized "oops, this looks bad for tourism."
@@mynamename5172 : Four months ago I just got the 2 days I was going to stay in Cancún and last Monday I got 180 even though I was only there for 2, again.
@@Ella_sera I think we have the same issues all countries have with ILLEGAL immigration. It just so happens that since the pandemic there have been tons of illegal immigration from USA and (maybe) Europe and the country has ALL THE RIGHT IN THE WORLD to limit and control it.
@@Ella_sera its not a matter of "thinking" there are gringos everywhere in Mexico, who come on tourist visas and assume they can stay for as long as they want, own property, not pay taxes etc. If that means "Mexico has issues with US" then yes. Any country would have issues with ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, it just so happens that many gringos think they are "special"
Happened to me! I showed the immigration officer my departing air ticket.. and he marked my FMM for 6 days LESS than what I needed... upon departing, the ticket agent escorted me to the immigration office and I had to pay them, to let me depart Mexico! I was a little scared.. it could have went another way! this was December of 2021
If you have an expired FMM but don't get caught by immigration before getting to the airport for your departure, that's all it is. You just have to pay the 600some pesos for a new FMM.
@God's Poetic Diary That is some pretty bad advice on their part and maybe it’s part of a scam, maybe the agent just didn’t feel like doing the extension. Bottom line - if you know it’s going to expire and they won’t give you an extension, you’re better off leaving the country than taking your chances.
The change is because many, like Venezuelans, some Central Americans and Europeans, arrive as "tourists", but in reality they are looking to reach the US border. And that has become a big problem for both countries.
What Europeans? Serious question. I was not aware of this. Only other South-American countries.
@@ellisrose8017 Generally the statistics of Mexico, do not give much account of nationalities. For example, Asians are not mentioned. But there are many deportations from the US to Mexico of mainly Chinese and Koreans. So common was this practice a few years ago, that there is a border mexican city where more than 50% are Chinese or descendants.According to statistics from January 2022, 38% of those detained in Mexico for migration were Asian, African and European
@@ellisrose8017 I was reading the figures and it says that last year 1.7 million migrants were detected on the southern border of Mexico. Most are Central American and Caribbean, like Haiti and Cuba. After Africans, Asians and the least European. Public statistics do not usually mention nationalities, only in general.
@@Nile55555 oh ok, but you wrote Europeans ☺️
I was wondering where to find these statistics, but you meant more generally.
As i am very much unaware of Europeans staying illegally in Mexico. Or trying to cross the border into the US.
Since most of them don't look at South-America as a "country of oppertunities" (for lack of better worthing)
& they can move around freely in the EU.
Thank you for the information 😊
Edit: probably the more Eastern European countries. That's where my confusion is. I sometimes forget that they still want to maybe move to/stay in the US.
@@ellisrose8017 Those who come to stay in Mexico are mostly Spanish, Italian, English, German, Russian. I puted a link here with the information, but it is deleted. I also believ that those who cross the most are those from Eastern Europe.
great video Jordan, as a Mexican living abroad for the past 12 years, I dont understand how people try to justified that they didn't know the rules in Mexico, for the Australian guy, for example, in other countries like Australia, USA and Canada fper say, if you get stop by immigration, you are also not allow to take anything with you, the person is basically living illegally in another country so I don't get it whats the surprise in how immigration in Mexico works... is the same way as other countries where immigration rules are very tough ...
the little snow flakes dont like it when the shoe is on the other foot. totally infuriating reading the Aussie guy whine.
Lol that's funny as a person born and raised in Canada illegal immigrants are given generous welfare ,places to live free, health care and benefits.I don't know where you got your info on Canada but it's wrong.They do detain you in an immigration facility if you are found to have a criminal record,those facilitys are far from prisn like.
@@georgefortune1109 overstaying a visa as a tourist is not equivalent to immigrants seeking asylum in Canada or USA. So we have to go into this issue here? We, meaning gringos or various flags, have a tendency’s towards entitlement. Extending ones vacay beyond the visa is entitlement. Seeking legal asylum is a matter of survival. It’s a moral issue. Just as feeling entitled as someone who can afford to come and go as they please in Latin America and take advantage is a moral issue.
@@henryf5001 tourist or tourist by trade? There is a difference you know. Let’s look at this logically, how would someone who mostly lives abroad not be on top of their visa expiry date? JS
@@henryf5001 HIs feeling don't supercede the countries laws. If that was how it worked anyone would just anywhere anytime they pleased.
A former Mexican immigration employee, did a vlog stating that the new stuff going on is more than likely due to the United States demanding Mexico do more to stop immigration into the US at the Southern border. He said that Mexico has a statute (or something like that...It's been a long time since I watched his video) that states that if they are going to enforce immigration on some, they must enforce on all, rather than show favoritism, to all but those the US doesn't want entering from the South. Makes A LOT of sense to me.
That would make a lot of sense because it really sounds like they're treating people the way the US treats central American and Mexican immigrants
@@hkiersey and this is wrong because...? Oh I know, you americans are "special" ;)
If you happen to find the vlog, could you share it here? thanks
No, she’s saying it’s good Mexico is doing this, because Americans treat Mexicans this way. Turnabout is fair play.
Good clip,very informative.
Back in early 2018, before the program "stay in Mexico" it was a federal crime for being in Mexico with an expired visa or just illegal, so before was way worse than now.
What a scary experience! I think it's just the luck of the draw with the people that you come across and whether or not they're having a good day unfortunately.
It should surprise no Americans that this happens. This is why so many people in the US don't report their overstayed visas. You might not ever be allowed back in.
Good analysis overal, thanks for sharing. I think mainly they are targeting people who enter without a return flight
That is awful. Great video to inform people about checking the length of their travel stay.
OMG-I just double checked my visa….whew, 180 days. The immigration officer said nothing to me-just stamped and then left his cubicle so I couldn’t even ask. This is a very important video. How horrible for those people!
Every time I've been issued a tourist permit, the number of days it was valid for was clearly written in the box at the bottom. I don't believe anyone who says they didn't know, it's right there!
The German guy in the video could have just found a pen the right colour, then added a 1 in front of the 26.
@@e-curb It's digital now. They can check. Now, whether the system is functioning like it's supposed to, is another thing. I would try your idea and plead ignorance or that there was a mistake on data entry etc. But just know that things that worked a couple of years ago may not work now. I am currently in the midst of finishing up a work visa and the computer system has been a huge rigamarole. Thank goodness I have a lawyer dealing with those issues for me because I would have no clue as to how to deal with the system that is not consistently working as it should right now.
Yeah in Mexico immigration is changing a lot, mostly because of the massive inmigration that is been in Mexico City and touristy areas, now is harder to get in, and they are just giving the permit for less days. It was just to easy in the past and now is more normal.
I had no idea thanks for sharing
Thanks for the info! Good and bad.
If you over-stay your visa, it's NOT corruption. You over-stayed your visa. However, in the real world those who can pay extra do get better service.
5:07 I believe buses have been recently stopped in the last couple of years in order to catch central Americans that have entered the country "irregularly" ant are traveling through Mexico from the south border to reach the US border. It's a way to slow down the caravans. I think other states that are not in this path, like Quintana Roo, have been enforcing this policy to make tourists pay Hotels from accommodations in advance in order for them to stay in the country instead of giving them a chance to look for cheaper options. Quintana Roo economy relies almost exclusively on tourism, that's why corruption in the touristic sector is so common. As long as it doesn't prevent tourist from coming, is ok. And because of the sargassum, insecurity, and pandemic, hotels have been struggling
This happened a few years back to my neighbor's father in law who over stayed his visa by a few days in the USA. They were traveling from California to Arizona , pull over for a supposed traffic violation. HE got turned in to immigration and locked up for 3 months before be deported to Mexico and can not apply for a tourist visa again.
Thank you !!!
I've gone to other countries and whenever you speak with immigration they usually ask for your departure information. Just like when people from Mex come here they get asked for return info so they don't overstay their visa.
This would be a reasonable request. What’s not reasonable is that the dates are all over the map and scribbled illegibly at the bottom looking like a signature or initials. It should be a consistent procedure and the exact number of days being at the discretion of the officer is NOT common internationally. In most countries you either get the allotted amount of days or you get denied. Mexico is the only country that I’ve heard of where you can come asking for six months and they give you two days because of their mood.
I have been to about 20 countries and NO ONE made me fill out a 'visa' card that virtually has no relevant information like this from their own government website.
Everything is either electronic or the general immigration policies with a stamp usually covers you for 30 days, 60 days or 6 months. Mexico is the ONLY country that I have been to that uses an "arbitrary" form (FMM) that's not even a real visa/visado to give you super odd days like 3 days and every individual gets different amount of days in front of the INM officers.
It's not that these people are 'overstaying' their 'visas' (btw, not a visa if I weren't being clear) It's just that INM just like any other Mexican government entities like IMSS, INE does not make this transparent.
@@duthegee uh his visa stated a date and he was caught 60 F´n days after that. If that´s not overstaying a visa then what is? Also, I dont know any other country with immigration rules so LAX that allow for literally HOMELESS gringos to come stay in Mexico for 6 months, so don´t push it. You dont like it? Fine! dont come. People like you are neither needed, nor wanted.
I have the same form here, it says 64 days, exactly the amount of days I am supposed to be here based on the return date of the flight they asked for at passport control when I entered the country, they asked me to show my return flight confirmation on my phone. I arrived in Mexico city.
because you are a NORMAL visitor. Who the hell goes someplace and wanders around without a return flight for 90 days or God knows when he was leaving. Just screams entitlement or worse
@@henryf5001 No wonder you're so salty in the comments! LMFAO!
Thank you for sharing, just wanted to let you know the volume on the video is low, hard to here.
Its awful what he went thru . I hope this and other experiences like this go viral, so that may be a change.
I think it is important for everyone visiting any foreign country, you got to realize that a tourist permit is not a visa, many other countries allow a lot less than 180 days. Abide by the laws where ever you visit and you won't end up with problems like this. Be accountable for yourselves people. Read or ask how many days were you given, don't ever assume. Mexico is a beautiful place full of wonderful people who will treat you well.
This isn’t about the law . This is about arbitrarily rules that are not at all clear or made explicit anywhere.
Just try to do the same thing in the United States ignore your visa length of time and you will end up like thousands of tourists trying to live and work illegally in the USA in federal prisons and deported for 10 years
Thats false. Even most violent felony dudes released from prison don't get deported. Go look up the numbers. Not single person has been deported without a violent felony conviction in years
That's BS. America is full of illegals that are being shipped all over the country with taxpayer dollars.
@@JohnDoe-qw4gc 🎯
If it weren’t for “violent illegals” - there would be no America.
Great video
⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Great information!!!
I'm from Mexico and I feel sorry about the story in here. Treating PEOPLE like that is not the way it should be. This is happening not only in Mexico. I will try sending this to every social media I know so this can stop. Hopefully it helps. This needs to stop, we are all humans and Mexicans are not all shitty people.
I wonder what the end game is here.
From my experience most Mexicans are very nice people. Unfortunately in most countries there are corrupt officials.
@@Rhaspun $$$$$
@@wirefreez Totally agreed but .. wow this is well beyond just simple corruption.
@@dgdw Wonder what would happen to a female tourist who unexpectedly has a baby in Mexico. Bet they would take it and sell it to child traffickers. In our country, it would be an anchor baby and a citizen LOL.
The moral of the story is if you're a tourist in Mexico and can't read the number of days you've been given on your FMM card, get to the nearest INM office and ask them. The majority of people being held in immigration detention centres are migrants escaping their own countries for humanitarian reasons, not tourists visiting. Mexico is experiencing a migration crisis so it's been cracking down on people here illegally for about six months now - Anne
Looked at your video and some additional clarity is needed Jordan. I came to PV on December 31, 2021. Leaving March 31 ( 90 days). In the boxed you referenced on the form - my box is blank with no days entered. But in the body of the form it says Estancia Maxima Hasta 180 dias. And the box indicating Visitante Actividad No Renumerada is checked. So I am assuming I have 180 days even though the “Temporary days” box is empty. Your comments?
I’ve spent a few winters in Mexico but that was years ago. You’ve got to know how to do without when certain situations are present. Mexico might be a beautiful country but when push comes to shove, you got to know how to do without.