This reminds us that many songs that have become absolute classics started out life sounding very awkward and clumsy. But it's all there and Crosby (RIP) and Stills got an absolute gift .
This is another example of the magical connection between Nash and Stills. What Stills did to bring out the brilliance of this song and Teach Your Children is unbelievable.
Yes he excelled himself with their version, He played most of the instruments, I’m wondering if he came up with the ’ all aboard the train’ refrain as well, which isn’t on this demo
Por favor!! Es solo el demo, el comienzo de la creacion de la misma!! Es muy fácil compararla con la oficial de "C,S&N" y a la vez innecesaria e injusta esa comparación. @@larrysingleton2864
Actually he was not...Tony Hicks had the biggest say. He turned down Allan Clarkes desire to stay with the Hollies and produce a solo Album ( he also invited Clarkie back to the group after he left) Tony showed the door to Terry Sylvester who had stated The Hollies were nothing without him. Much as a I like Tony he is a bit of a smiling assassin !
Intriguing! Unusual that Bobby Elliot, an otherwise superb drummer, seems stumped as to what drum patterns to employ. A sure sign that Nash was moving away from pop beats.
I came to this after watching a Hollies documentary on Sky Arts. I have to say The Hollies' version of King Midas In Reverse is very much better than the CSN&Y recording on Four Way Street.
This is only a work out.....not even a demo. I'm sure that if The Hollies had decided to record it, the end result would;'ve been great. Nash went on to form a great band with Crosby and Stills.......and The Hollies continued to do what they did best.....having hit records into the mid-70's. It wasn't a big deal.......and obody died,
HolliesRareAndUnreleased: thanks for posting. Found out about this version by reading Graham Nash's biogrpahy "Wild Tales". It sounds okay to me but Graham didn't speak too kindly of The Hollies version. Cheers!
Pete Beach It’s from Graham’s 1968 demo, included on his recent “Over The Years” compilation. It dates from November 1968 and was recorded in London. He officially left the Hollies on December 8th, 1968.
@@holliesrareandunreleased thanks for the reply, I really can't imagine the Hollies recording this, it's so unlike their material but love it just the same.
@@petebeach6204 Remember, the biggest hit single of their distinguished career sounded nothing like The Hollies -- the swamp-rock classic "Long Cool Woman (In a Black Dress)" was more or less a better version of CCR's "Green River."
I knew this existed years before UA-cam existed (the Epic Anthology album gave a hint). I think this could have worked if they put a bit more effort into the arrangements.
I feel sad that Graham thought he was better than the Hollies. Think Allan Clarke was sidelined, you can see the sadness in his eyes. He had huge other things to deal with too. Allan and Tony with Bobby made some great stuff afterwards . GN said, oops the Hollies are still great without me, or something to that effect. Shame on you. His new gendre was ok, but friends were hurt in the process. That's how I see it...
The hollies werent interested in this kind of music. Times are changing and Graham Nash was writing different stuff it's as simple as that.. Graham Nash had been to LA. He saw how things were changing. He tried to tell The hollies but they didn't want to know
It's always sad when childhood friends part ways. But it's inevitable. Clarke's wonderful voice was being wasted on retread tunes like Jennifer Eccles. They needed to move forward in some way. And they did have big hits after Graham left. This obviously isn't a finished product. It sounds kind of like skiffle. I'm sure if they decided they wanted to issue it, they'd have found a better drum pattern and put some great harmony vocals on it.
Growth parts company. Graham was moving away musically and personally. The Hollies were a drift a bit with a Dylan LP and the chicken in the basket circuit. The Hollies pulled out and ended up creating just as great songs without GN.
Sounds like "Weather With You" by Crowded House. ages before it even existed. Pretty way ahead of his time I can't really stand Graham's nasty comments about this
Here's why: This is Graham Nash. Accompanied by bassist Bernie Calvert and drummer Bobby Elliott. Singer Allan Clarke and guitarist Tony Hicks were apart who knows why? both maybe bored, but on their own way. Rumour has it that a Swedish pop group wanted Hicks in, and he thought prob leaving the band even prior to Nash.
After listening to this recording, I have a clearer idea why Graham Nash left The Hollies. There was no unified musical coherence with this version of Marrakesh Express.
This reminds us that many songs that have become absolute classics started out life sounding very awkward and clumsy.
But it's all there and Crosby (RIP) and Stills got an absolute gift .
Yeah the chords don't seem to match the melody in this, even though it's the same. Weird.
@@stitchgrimly6167 It's a great song, but one is grateful for Stills' brilliance as an arranger.
Great to hear Graham Nash trying out this song with the Hollies. I would have loved to see this version of the song released.
This is another example of the magical connection between Nash and Stills. What Stills did to bring out the brilliance of this song and Teach Your Children is unbelievable.
Yes he excelled himself with their version, He played most of the instruments, I’m wondering if he came up with the ’ all aboard the train’ refrain as well, which isn’t on this demo
This isn't the best version.
@@larrysingleton2864 It's a terrible versin tbh
Por favor!! Es solo el demo, el comienzo de la creacion de la misma!! Es muy fácil compararla con la oficial de "C,S&N" y a la vez innecesaria e injusta esa comparación. @@larrysingleton2864
This shows the importance of the arrangement.
Interesting to hear this amazing re-creation. The later version by CSN is perfection.
Wow i never heard about this before
It is really good to hear this. By 1969, Graham Nash was in the driver's seat where the Hollies' music was concerned.
He left in 1968
Actually he was not...Tony Hicks had the biggest say. He turned down Allan Clarkes desire to stay with the Hollies and produce a solo Album ( he also invited Clarkie back to the group after he left) Tony showed the door to Terry Sylvester who had stated The Hollies were nothing without him. Much as a I like Tony he is a bit of a smiling assassin !
Intriguing! Unusual that Bobby Elliot, an otherwise superb drummer, seems stumped as to what drum patterns to employ. A sure sign that Nash was moving away from pop beats.
agreed - awful drumming from a really good drummer
Well done. Thank you. Also, good call leaving for C & S Graham !
Wow....so different.
Brilliant! Thanks!
This is pretty good!
I came to this after watching a Hollies documentary on Sky Arts. I have to say The Hollies' version of King Midas In Reverse is very much better than the CSN&Y recording on Four Way Street.
Excellent work putting this together.🙂👍
This is only a work out.....not even a demo. I'm sure that if The Hollies had decided to record it, the end result would;'ve been great. Nash went on to form a great band with Crosby and Stills.......and The Hollies continued to do what they did best.....having hit records into the mid-70's. It wasn't a big deal.......and obody died,
with vocal version at last!!!!
Interesting guitar parts, I'm always on the look for a different take on famous songs. You can see why Graham Nash left the band after this though.:-)
HolliesRareAndUnreleased: thanks for posting. Found out about this version by reading Graham Nash's biogrpahy "Wild Tales". It sounds okay to me but Graham didn't speak too kindly of The Hollies version. Cheers!
Well ive finally arrived seems like this trip took forever. Now i got to look for my home.
Is this the version Graham said was pap, and hoped would never emerge? Frankly it’s not bad, it pretty good
Emi please release this version it's great
interesting version
I have a suspicion that the vocal track is added from a CSN demo
Pete Beach It’s from Graham’s 1968 demo, included on his recent “Over The Years” compilation. It dates from November 1968 and was recorded in London. He officially left the Hollies on December 8th, 1968.
@@holliesrareandunreleased thanks for the reply, I really can't imagine the Hollies recording this, it's so unlike their material but love it just the same.
@@petebeach6204 Remember, the biggest hit single of their distinguished career sounded nothing like The Hollies -- the swamp-rock classic "Long Cool Woman (In a Black Dress)" was more or less a better version of CCR's "Green River."
I knew this existed years before UA-cam existed (the Epic Anthology album gave a hint). I think this could have worked if they put a bit more effort into the arrangements.
It would have been nice to listen to a finished 'Hollies' version. I'll bet they would have done it better than CS&N.
I sincerely doubt that. Stephen Stills is a master musician and he makes the CSN version shine.
It's like they're doing two different songs.
I feel sad that Graham thought he was better than the Hollies. Think Allan Clarke was sidelined, you can see the sadness in his eyes. He had huge other things to deal with too. Allan and Tony with Bobby made some great stuff afterwards . GN said, oops the Hollies are still great without me, or something to that effect. Shame on you. His new gendre was ok, but friends were hurt in the process. That's how I see it...
The hollies werent interested in this kind of music. Times are changing and Graham Nash was writing different stuff it's as simple as that.. Graham Nash had been to LA. He saw how things were changing. He tried to tell The hollies but they didn't want to know
It's always sad when childhood friends part ways. But it's inevitable. Clarke's wonderful voice was being wasted on retread tunes like Jennifer Eccles. They needed to move forward in some way. And they did have big hits after Graham left. This obviously isn't a finished product. It sounds kind of like skiffle. I'm sure if they decided they wanted to issue it, they'd have found a better drum pattern and put some great harmony vocals on it.
Growth parts company. Graham was moving away musically and personally. The Hollies were a drift a bit with a Dylan LP and the chicken in the basket circuit. The Hollies pulled out and ended up creating just as great songs without GN.
It's a band. These people were all fortunate to be part of something that ended up being marketed to worldwide fame. Reality.
Yeah people change things change we.all move on if Graham wasn't happy best he left you think would you be somewhere you wasn't happy?
like the hollies version of this song redo the drums and you have a hit
I would not normally comment about Bobby Elliott and his drumming as many more experts praise him....but yes, he got it wrong.
Sounds like some early Yes song.
not sure about that but maybe
Sounds like "Weather With You" by Crowded House. ages before it even existed. Pretty way ahead of his time I can't really stand Graham's nasty comments about this
Quite interesting, sure appears most of the band didn’t,t give their best effort and as maybe we’re just bored with this tune?
Here's why: This is Graham Nash. Accompanied by bassist Bernie Calvert and drummer Bobby Elliott. Singer Allan Clarke and guitarist Tony Hicks were apart who knows why? both maybe bored, but on their own way. Rumour has it that a Swedish pop group wanted Hicks in, and he thought prob leaving the band even prior to Nash.
After listening to this recording, I have a clearer idea why Graham Nash left The Hollies. There was no unified musical coherence with this version of Marrakesh Express.
is there anyway we can here just the backing track?
Is there a demo of Graham Nash performing "Survival of the Fittest" with the Hollies?
I wish!
I like this version the best !!!
Dabblers!
The Hollies now will always be cooler the CSNY.
Not by Hollies. Crosby, Stills & Nash.
The original was Nash of the Hollies, albeit a tad more basic than the CSN version.
honestly, crap drums and crap guitars. The melody is there but needed musicians with a different vision
Their level of musicality is below that of the people that recorded it with CSN. They failed to grasp the concept of the song.
i would say different rather than below or failed, Renato. Thankyou for expressing that observation though ~ 🎶🎼 Johndavid/NM/FL/FX'23☮️✨