Probably the most important thing is, when the bands break, it should be where it's thinnest at, in the case of tapered bands near the pouch so it will fly, away from your eye.
Awesome video didn't realise it would make that much difference but it does make sense looking at it closer iv been shooting your black band's and have been very happy with them.
The increase in draw weight was unexpected, though it can't explain the whole story: we got a 15% increase in speed but only increased draw weight 11%. My guess is that a taper just more efficiently accelerates the projectile with the band rebounding at a more progressive rate (the thick part rebounds first getting things moving, then the thin part whips through at the end).
I think the tapered bands are more efficient because its thinner near the pouch which also makes that area lighter and therefore better at accelerating
This is the absolute best and accurate testing i have seen on this subject. I just found you guys a few days ago and made my first order with you. After watching this I think you guys are my new favorite slingshot shop. Shooters have always known that tapered bands are faster but I dont think most never truly understood why. This was fantastic. I have my eye on the cobra ttf and will be ordering it soon. A great price for a hand made custom slingshot. Do you have a team to enter the world cup?
Hi thanks for your comment friend and always happy to know that our video can help shooters know things a bit better. We didn't enter the world cup yet but will definitely be there in the near future.
@@sniperslingslingshots1184 Im glad I have found you guys and im excited to try your bands that I ordered. Also, my shooting gap is 90mm could you guys build the cobra ttf with clamps to a 90- 95mm outside fork gap? And in the white? I want one bad but its a lil narrow for my anchor point.
Thanks Ted, we do have another model that use the same lock design, you might like to have a look: www.snipersling.com/products/snipersling-slingshots-s-buffalo-titanium-with-push-lock-system
You need a 20 wide band to make a 20 to 10 taper so why not see how it compares to a straight 20 and see what you're extra work to the same piece of material is actually accomplishing?
15% speed increase means about 30% more energy on the projectile ! The tapered band is more efficient as you have less mass (and wind resistance) on the fast moving part near the pouch.
@@James-wd9ib Yeah it's a pretty complicated question actually. the draw-weight for width must not be linear, getting more and more per unit width. So say x width has y draw weight at a certain draw length. Then 2x width may have 4x draw weight at that draw length (probably not the exact rate, but just an example). But in a tapered system, the thinner part of the band stretches more than the heavier portion, so that complicates things. The increase in draw weight was unexpected, though it can't explain the whole story: we got a 15% increase in speed but only increased draw weight 11%. My guess is that a taper just more efficiently accelerates the projectile with the band rebounding at a more progressive rate instead of a flat rate (the thick part rebounds first getting things moving, then the thin part whips through at the end).
Nice video.. Now i know that tapered bands are much stronger. However, how about the accuracy? I been testing straight/tapered bands.. Seems like straight bands has better accuracy.. Hows your experience in accuracy with tapered bands compared to straight?
Interesting findings man! I ran some matlab simulation and found no benefit with tapered sets: if you draw your two sets to the same length you are actually overstretching the tapered one in its thin part. If you pull the straight ones to the length that gets you the same stretching factor you should get the same performance or even better (and decreased life time of course)
thanks for that find, but some said with the right taper, material and thickness, the thin parts actually contracts faster, adding to the speed, another reason for tapers, so that when it breaks, it's mostly near the pouch and hopefully fly away from your eye, a non tapered bands is going to be harder to put inside your commercial pouches cause of the small holes.
I think it is due to the same effect we see when rolling a ball from high to low. The hypotenuse is actually far slower than a quick drop that levels off.
Awesome video I have just got a wasp uniphocxx slingshot I also got sniper sling shot band set .50 for indoor shooting it's so fast it's unbelievable I'm so impressed so now I will get band set for outdoors and hunting I have heard all the slingshot channel guys all test the sniper sling shot bands say they are by far the fastest out here on the market obv gzk used to hold that title....thank you for educating me about tensile force the taper giving more power due to higher tensile force reading awesome stay blessed from the uk.....
într-adevăr, benzile conice au o viteză mai mare decât cele drepte, dar forța de impact asupra țintei care are o mai mare și mai bună conică sau dreaptă
So 15-15 Band gives 26.11 m/s for per Kg Draw.. While 20-10 Band gives 27.01 m/s for per Kg Draw.. Interestingly 15-15 Band use more surface area than 20-10 Band..
@@marcosjuan3142 Wider part of band gives initial torque to the Ball, by the time middle Part of Band Decompresses, the ball gain momentum. At the end, in narrow part of the band it gets the final acceleration.
Probably the most important thing is, when the bands break, it should be where it's thinnest at, in the case of tapered bands near the pouch so it will fly, away from your eye.
Very well done on the testing. Thank you for your findings
8mm steel and that Band setup is great for target shooting but can you do a test with larger steel and thicker bands please cheers
Awesome video didn't realise it would make that much difference but it does make sense looking at it closer iv been shooting your black band's and have been very happy with them.
Can't argue with that! Good experiment
This is the video that we need
The increase in draw weight was unexpected, though it can't explain the whole story: we got a 15% increase in speed but only increased draw weight 11%. My guess is that a taper just more efficiently accelerates the projectile with the band rebounding at a more progressive rate (the thick part rebounds first getting things moving, then the thin part whips through at the end).
I think the tapered bands are more efficient because its thinner near the pouch which also makes that area lighter and therefore better at accelerating
You can't beat doing the experiment for showing what actually happens in real life! Nice bit of work! 👍
Thanks Jon :)
Really interesting video lads 👍
Very nice sir ..thank you.
This is the absolute best and accurate testing i have seen on this subject. I just found you guys a few days ago and made my first order with you. After watching this I think you guys are my new favorite slingshot shop. Shooters have always known that tapered bands are faster but I dont think most never truly understood why. This was fantastic. I have my eye on the cobra ttf and will be ordering it soon. A great price for a hand made custom slingshot. Do you have a team to enter the world cup?
Hi thanks for your comment friend and always happy to know that our video can help shooters know things a bit better. We didn't enter the world cup yet but will definitely be there in the near future.
@@sniperslingslingshots1184 Im glad I have found you guys and im excited to try your bands that I ordered. Also, my shooting gap is 90mm could you guys build the cobra ttf with clamps to a 90- 95mm outside fork gap? And in the white? I want one bad but its a lil narrow for my anchor point.
@@205jab4 Sure no problem, I think 90mm would be good, 95mm might be too much, when you shoot a further target you would need a lower aim point.
Great video! I love the idea of the lever lock but they are sold out now. Any idea when they will be available again?
Thanks Ted, we do have another model that use the same lock design, you might like to have a look: www.snipersling.com/products/snipersling-slingshots-s-buffalo-titanium-with-push-lock-system
You need a 20 wide band to make a 20 to 10 taper so why not see how it compares to a straight 20 and see what you're extra work to the same piece of material is actually accomplishing?
15% speed increase means about 30% more energy on the projectile ! The tapered band is more efficient as you have less mass (and wind resistance) on the fast moving part near the pouch.
Good idea bro
This is very interesting. I thought tapered bands had less draw weight than straight bands.
very counter-intuitive it's driving me crazy
@@James-wd9ib Yeah it's a pretty complicated question actually. the draw-weight for width must not be linear, getting more and more per unit width. So say x width has y draw weight at a certain draw length. Then 2x width may have 4x draw weight at that draw length (probably not the exact rate, but just an example). But in a tapered system, the thinner part of the band stretches more than the heavier portion, so that complicates things.
The increase in draw weight was unexpected, though it can't explain the whole story: we got a 15% increase in speed but only increased draw weight 11%. My guess is that a taper just more efficiently accelerates the projectile with the band rebounding at a more progressive rate instead of a flat rate (the thick part rebounds first getting things moving, then the thin part whips through at the end).
Nice video.. Now i know that tapered bands are much stronger. However, how about the accuracy? I been testing straight/tapered bands.. Seems like straight bands has better accuracy.. Hows your experience in accuracy with tapered bands compared to straight?
What happened.....You shot your wall?! 😂 Same here!
Interesting findings man!
I ran some matlab simulation and found no benefit with tapered sets: if you draw your two sets to the same length you are actually overstretching the tapered one in its thin part.
If you pull the straight ones to the length that gets you the same stretching factor you should get the same performance or even better (and decreased life time of course)
thanks for that find, but some said with the right taper, material and thickness, the thin parts actually contracts faster, adding to the speed, another reason for tapers, so that when it breaks, it's mostly near the pouch and hopefully fly away from your eye, a non tapered bands is going to be harder to put inside your commercial pouches cause of the small holes.
I think it is due to the same effect we see when rolling a ball from high to low. The hypotenuse is actually far slower than a quick drop that levels off.
How many feet per second do the new darts go ?
Awesome👍👍
Awesome video I have just got a wasp uniphocxx slingshot I also got sniper sling shot band set .50 for indoor shooting it's so fast it's unbelievable I'm so impressed so now I will get band set for outdoors and hunting I have heard all the slingshot channel guys all test the sniper sling shot bands say they are by far the fastest out here on the market obv gzk used to hold that title....thank you for educating me about tensile force the taper giving more power due to higher tensile force reading awesome stay blessed from the uk.....
No problem D, enjoy shooting!
Love love love sniper sling! Best sling shot company in the world imo
Wich is the full accuracy tubular bands
Awesome demonstration, thank you for it! If only my order could get to the US as fast as I can watch your video lists...
Very interesting comparison ... Are your black bands the same as the yellow apart from the colour?
Black ones are more powerful and draw heavier:)
@@sniperslingslingshots1184 these are ones I need please.
@@northeastslingshot1664 Hi you could check on our website: www.snipersling.com, just let us know when you have any questions:)
How Long is your Draw lenght?
What width of straight bands will equal 20mm-10mm taper? 17.5mm?
it's 15mm. (20+10)/2=15
How about 20 to 10 vs 20 straight?
I think you should test a double taper, like so:
într-adevăr, benzile conice au o viteză mai mare decât cele drepte, dar forța de impact asupra țintei care are o mai mare și mai bună conică sau dreaptă
you dont need to fold the band twice before attaching it to your slingshot clips?
No I don't have to, but if you use wrap and tuck way you have to do that to make it secure.
Hi snipersling 60 18.12 bands yellow 8mm steel 🇬🇧
The nerd stuffs behind a slingshot lol. Interesting.
A smart cookie - a latter day Barney’s Wallace
Do you sell tapered pouched bandsets? I want to hunt with mine.
The dog...🤣🙏
Yes we will band sets too, it's listing on our web:)
So 15-15 Band gives 26.11 m/s for per Kg Draw..
While 20-10 Band gives 27.01 m/s for per Kg Draw..
Interestingly 15-15 Band use more surface area than 20-10 Band..
true but it's about the whip effect ...
@@marcosjuan3142 Wider part of band gives initial torque to the Ball, by the time middle Part of Band Decompresses, the ball gain momentum. At the end, in narrow part of the band it gets the final acceleration.
Hi what thickness are your bands
it's 0.5mm ones I am using.
@@sniperslingslingshots1184 could you tell me your band lenght? i shoot the same band tapered 22-12 20 cm long and my drawlenght is 95.
Thank you
Doesn’t more taper = less band material? How does that make it shoot faster. Physics is confusing. 😂
No 15-15 and 20-10 are the same:)
WHy in the hell do tapered bands have a highre draw weight?
I hate you, Physics