Backflipping to PATHFINDER - The Solo Experience | Dark and Darker
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2024
- Is backflipping a meme like everyone assumes, or does it have potential? I streamed 13 hours of backflip rogue to find out.
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Thanks to Skinny Pete for giving me permission to use his stream footage!
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0:00 Intro
1:27 Backflip
10:40 Teaming
16:36 Sendoff
17:25 Last Chance
music used
Dark and Darker - Lobby Music
Dan Henig - Danger Snow
Project Royal - Autumn Breeze
• project royal - autumn...
Cyberpunk 2077 - Kang Tao Down
Old School RuneScape - Still Night
Cyberpunk 2077 - Atlantis
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - Auriel's Ascension
Cyberpunk 2077 - The Rebel Path (Cello Version) - Ігри
Barb and Barber logo was the most accurate description there is
they need to do something. take away speed from them.
@@shadowbanned340 they did. Nerfd the zwei movement
@@9and12wholepizzasoh yeah, game changer.
@AntoninaChiguretta health nerfed base moves movespeed nerfed, Achilles nerfed, axe perk nerfed, blood perk nerfed, what else do you want
@@9and12wholepizzas how all this was nerfed? Excuse me, give me exact line in patch notes. Only nerfs was -5 zweihender move speed and invisible potion. Barbarians can 2-3 tap most classes in game, can reach 340 move speed and 200 health, carry 100 throwing axes to slow you. Does it really nerfed if 60% of lobby playing as a barb?
I respect that you voiced your opinion openly rather than trying to sugarcoat it.
I LOVED THE INTRO SHOT AHHAHAHA
My king❤
I just realized I was the the slayer fighter he killed in the smoke pot 10:30
Sorry about that, but I've gotta admit it was my favorite kill of the night
Thank you for being so based. Playing off-meta for fun and criticising the flaws of the game, and it's playerbase. Your content is super refreshing in contrast to the current BiS meta videos that fill up 90% of the space.
Loving your longsword content, didn't know about wobble parry until I watched your latest video yesterday
That Afterdeath guy is really the kind of person that makes me stop playing the game, all the time 1 v the entire lobby
I stole his kit while ago he’s not that good he depends on his ugly ass boc
GG you fought with honor
the legend himself
holy shit its john wick
I will happily admit I was against the initial teaming ban. Honestly I think they just need to make player kills more rewarding (I,E 30-50 AP per kill), I'd take people always trying to PVP than the current carebear teaming meta
They did
Imo that could indirectly make teaming worse, since there'll always be some duo or trio steamrolling lobbies.
Yeah thats what you THINK. Go play on US East in wayfinder+ or even norms. Its no fun fighting 3-6 people every game
Nah just increase AP by 50% for pvp kills (4 ap), that should help.
They did, but that's worse IMO. I think "teaming" needs to be defined, because ignoring someone or just chilling is fun IMO and part of the game, but 2v1ing is obviously super unfair and unfun and is the issue that needs to be addressed IMO.
tthe "congrats on rank 1" after you died like a casual promotion at work after you tried to kill him XD
I'm gonna have to agree with you here, the whole teaming bs in hr is a literal snooze fest, good on you for calling 'em out
Good gameplay/fights. I agree it looks like it has potential. you've inspired me to try out the rogue. Especially after watching you fight pete there at the end. Barb and Barber had me dead.
No matter how many epic music is in the background that thumbling gamplay is still the funniest and wackiest shit ever
My personal opinion is that if you organically meet through circumstance (f.e. being 2-3 naked pickpocket rogues meeting on top of ruins), it's ok for me personally to not kill one another and instead focus on teaming up stealing from random passerbys because it still doesn't make it unfair to play against. Of course I try to not kill anyone as pickpocket rogue in the first place. But yeah, as soon as you stack gear and players on top of another it becomes really unfair to play against, especially if the amount exceeds the "intended" max of a 3 player limit.
I really do enjoy the funny and unusual situations that sometimes happen, unfortunately it's usually the latter.
The most fun I had in this game usually happens when I stalk and steal solo from geared 3-man teams in HR ruins that are sweating their asses off, can recommend that in case you ever burn out and didn't really try it before.@@Ltsama
Idk why but the barb and barber logi just made me laugh for like 5 minutes straight
hahahahahah greatest intro ever and awesome content as always
Thanks for this analysis. Some really good fights too. I'd love to see more strat breakdowns on how to be a better rogue. It was my main but I have done the unthinkable. On a barb now lol.
in case anybody was wondering the song that starts at 6:37 is called Sad Past by Silent Partner
i like how you mentioned australia teaming situation, i live here and man playing these servers r rough. 4 in 5 games have 6 chinese teamers RMT'ing
I played a few matches on the Japan server about 2 weeks ago. I talked to 5-6 people per game, every single one spoke chinese lol
love it, wish i got to see my viewer kit you played with xD
Apparently there's someone pretending to be me in trade chat? You're the second person who has said they gave me gear for free. I've never taken a whole kit for free, you got scammed. RIP
the vrchat comparison is hilarious lol. its the same kinda thing you'd see in a survival game with clans, man-children frolicking everywhere
skinny pete best tablet man
I actually watched this live on his twitch L O L
Somewhere a memory is being unlocked, and I get the feeling it's either Lumbridge or Varrock castle music (._. ) Love the video, no one uses the skill so finding content is impossible sometimes lol
i love the intro😂
Good video! I just subscribed you. Keep up the good work 😊
Awesome video! Now here is a little tip for future video intros, or if you feel like, challenge playtrough - pressing left shift + \ disables HUD. Enjoy!
Genuinely useful tip, thanks!
wow the case study in this is 10/10
make more vids like this! Was a really enjoyable watch :)
Barb and Barber. I laughed 🤣
Awesome video.
I am a simple man. I see someone running tumble, I hit the like button.
So glad people feel the same about the state of solos cause I only play the game for pvp and now that’s not an option for me unless you’re extremely cracked and can kill 3 geared teamers
Great video. I'm definitely going to get more value using smoke pot & hide
Dahm that warlock is sad.
ok, now because of you ill loose few millions learning how to play it. Thanks
More like 'Timming' cuz only Timmies need help lol
I don't think there needs to be a teaming ban, but there needs to be per player specific AP reward on kill to make it worth killing high tier players. They could make it based on HR rank, rarity of gear worn, a percent of the value of looted items in their inventory, or some other player specific point value. Whatever way they pick, it needs to not encourage spawn rushing, but it needs to make it worth it to kill geared/looted up/high rank players.
i tottaly agree with u, about teaming
I wounder if it is possible to flick sideways and back flip perpendicular to a crossbow user to dodge a crossbow bolt. Is the back flip animation long enough to do this and dodge the ranger's multi-shot? I don't this trick is useful in the current meta because barbs use throwing-axe which has very little re-fire time, but it could be good when the meta changes.
Imagine if they just buff it so you flip 20% faster
It's insane that the worst players are the highest ranked. Insane that Ironmace is unable to solve such an easy issue.
this is such a different experience from eu servers lmfao fighting everyone is in our blood
The two reasons i stopped playing was teamers and also having to wait in trade house 1 hour+ for a single upgrade
Also should make a friendly and friendlier logo 😂
rs music slapping
At this point Ironmace could introduce pve-only servers and keep them separate
Also I think when it comes to bans there should be a clear distinction between just being friendly and teaming
Flip should definetly give either some damage reduction window or s for the first bit.
I guess instead of testing each others skills, some people would rather just play loot crate opening simulator because their dopamine centers are already completely fried.
It might become too powerful but in my opinion the backflip should be replaced a roll that can go any direction but has a 5 second cool down so yes u can use it to roll away from atks u can also chase people down
what is the issue with making each kill 100 AP? I genuinely dont get it ironmace
I'ma keep watching the rest.. but wanted to say damn that intro fade to live on the bridge was sick
for your cinematic shots, use shift + \ for cinematic mode
maybe they could give you like +25% pdr whilst rolling or something
Warlock telling the rogue your not allowed to kill the barberian funniest shit. As you are literally the weakest class in game.
I've always used backflip w/ double jump but alas jump got nerfed again 😔
It makes you an annoying flea w/ hand cross & poison wep but prolly still better to rupture for the extra damage.
Damn i had no idea the teaming was this bad
4:22 zwei phased right through you wtf lol
I straight up tell people I'm not friendly but there's an old saying "A man is only as good as his word" - I've never once lied or betrayed someone in rust or hunt or tarkov or any other game like this. I can respect betraying teamers but I can't bring myself to do it. It sadly matters more to me than dark and darker does.
So the problem with backflip is that you just dont use it enough. Kind of funny that I personally am a dog water player, but I dont want to team up that much as I will only trust a player is they are dead and Im looting them.
I can see some value in backflip for solo.
But here is the deal.
The idea of backflip is so u can get a hit in while avoiding being hit.
Buuut, thats most valuable if u can proc bleed, weakpoint or cutthroat, but no rogue goes without invis.
So why not use a handcrossbow and u get to still use those 3 abilities.
I dont wanna use xbow but its fills the same role at less risk and less cost since u lose a perk rather than an ability slot..
I remember commenting you were based after your calling out of Afterdeath for all the teaming bullshit haha. Sad part is probably all top players play like that and us who play for pvp can't rank up lol. Didn't expect the videos verdict after how you ended that last backflip stream lol
Very based video
I think you should get ap for damage dealt to players, or something, idk though because then people could kind of cheat with that so maybe not
is it just me or is the audio super loud (voice)
BARB AND BARBER lmao
How has this barb clownfiesta still not been addressed. Its been going on for so long
If people want to team up and play PVE they should just make pure PVE servers and let them go do that.
Then leave the PVP servers less populated with carebears.
Tbh they shoud make it so you get half ap If you have no Player kill.
interesting
Pathethic rank 1 warlock LUL
I loved the teaming ban, I hope for ALL teamers to get hardware banned with 0 chance of redemption.
I get you, but you realise thats like at least 90% of player base right now? The game would literaly sease to exist.
@@isayaragnes8066 good, if they can't play a game as intended they don't deserve to play at all. it's a pvp game not a pve, making friends daycare centre.
Change backflip to a backward dash that's faster.
so pathetic that #1 warlock is a teamer LMAO
the perk is literally horriblr, its faster to turn around and w key
Barb is a little OP they will probably nerf the wizard because of this 😢
Make it faster with a little bit of CD so you cant spam it, and it will be decent.
I purposefully lose rank so I can actually play the game. Wanderer and above is literally just group crate break simulator and people on Reddit act as if the game is at its best when you’re not even playing it lmao.
They need to turn off voip experimentally again
I was all in on the original anti teaming from IM i was already noticing a trend and it didnt feel like when VOIP was first added, there was a brief period where it was just wonderful interactions but now its 30 year olds crying and calling you a pussy while they run to the nearest spawn begging for another person to save them from pvp. I would laugh when it happens if it wasnt just sad.
I see people complaining about PvP, I see people complaining about teaming. They all seem the same to me, crying because the way they want to play the game is harder.
I understand that this is a big change to the normal successful strategies and adds a new layer to interactions, but you can't expect "kill on sight" to work in every scenario and in my mind, you can still have PvP in the teaming lobbies, it just takes more patience. You can go down to crypts before killing. If people are farming AP then most of them will be heading down a layer anyway. This benefits you more than killing on sight because you will get better loot from the players you do kill, you will be spending time in the ruins getting your own loot and your own AP and you don't have to worry about as many opponents at once, as they will be split further apart than in Ruins. Spawn rushing is an annoying strategy but works in this context.
Now I agree, the entitlement from the warlock was ridiculous. People should be able to play the game how they want, but that goes both ways and you are doing the same thing as him with the attitude that teaming is bullshit. You're right, a 5v1 is not a fair fight, but why do you then refuse to change how you play based on that situation? What has worked for you in the past, doesn't work so well right now but you can adapt. That's what it means to be a good player, not repeatedly banging your head against a wall shouting "But I can kill them all in a 1v1!" -Irrelevant, that's not the situation.
But that aside, it's always good to see people trying new strategies and off-meta ideas and was nice to see someone trying out Tumbling for once, even if it was to show why no one else does. Looking forward to future vids.
I think that the main issue is that the game is really shallow when it comes to PvE. Even the bosses are incredibly easy after you learn the patterns. The PvP is the only thing that makes delving into the dungeon risky, and subsequently makes games different from one another.
@@jardaro8679
I agree.
If im in crypts im cool with ignoring eachother to loot or to boss together.
But i tend to team with any loner in crypts if THEY ask ME, and i will absolutely without shame slaughter them first chance.
Cuz if i say no they will simply run and find someone else and brung them over to get the non teamer.
So if u instigate teaming up, im punishing.
The problem is pvp needs to be separate. Community needs to grow its already super small. Banning will kill the game right now
I agree that teaming solos is shitty, but what about accepting if some arent looking for pvp or to fool / backstab you and sticking to fighting those looking for fights.
Backround of this view: I'm realy into hardcore games and new to Dark and Darker. I'm still trying to learn the basics and havent yet started looking for/ initiating pvp, mostly becaus it doesn't help your, game progression and the game doesn't give you any insentive to kill others, other then mistrust or greed.
I get that pvp can and is fun with proper gear/builds running, but there realy isn't a lot of joy, skill or insentive (other then sadism) involved in killing broke players rocking base kit on HR. Shur they could turn on you but that zero trust policy doesn't create a healthy communety for newcommers. As I said pvp obviously is the endgame and thats great, but forcing yourselfe on broke base kits and generylly newcommers trying to learn the game doesn't benefit anyone other then maybe sadists or people that need to go that far in order to feel competent.
The devs could learn a thing or two from Hunt Showdown in my opinion to help stuck player not to feel kicked, while allready beign down. That could keep frustrated newcommers from dropping the game out of frustration, withot lowering the stakes for more involved players.
i did see that afterdeath guy teaming in other dnd youtubers videos just teaming with randoms. that guy doesnt deserve that rank and should be banned.
Yea game is so bad atm i agree with the whole barb and teaming issue. Kinda why i just went back to hunt showdown
Fuck teamers man I haven't gotten any good PvP in forever I'm tired of losing kits to teamers
@11:04 bro its a PvPvE game. Just cuz you CAN go around trying to kill anyone doesnt mean you have to. Just like how you CAN team to stop rogues from just land mining you or barb blitzing you lmao
I dont see the issue, if people wanna teama nd run around it doesnt bother me, i find 1-2 people who are just rushign around trying 2 kill everyone anyways so if I want to find PvP i can go find a PvP based guy, i dont need to bully timmys just to get a dopamine hit. If for 1-2 lobbies i can't find a juicer, o well free AP and move onto the next lobby
on topic of vid: Some of those jumps and plays were actually big asf, but a handful of uses/clips in 13 hours? yea ima agree shit is trash and its all movement or landmine bush whacking rogue only still
imo teaming is ok in some regards. its ok when you are just having fun just goofin around but when you then fight others together that should be punishable. if they wanna drop you loot ok but dont let em fight with you. that ruins the purpose of solos. I think its just not good to make it into any of the extrems like right now we are in the extrem of teaming. but if everyone fights cuz they dont have a choice or get banned i wouldve not made some friends i still play with. as i said just talkin and cooperating in PvE is ok but in PvP solos should be solos.
Tumble is very useful for pve and fighting multiple people, combined with double jump, and you are very hard to hit in ruins.
Use it as a disengage, then use hide and backstab. You are not playing to your strengths. It can be combined with ambush and backstab for +80% damage.
I've been getting kills with tumble somewhat reliably.
Imagine being R1 by hand-holding & teaming... Actually pathetic lol.
The fact ironmace for SURE see in their server info that 70% of players now run barbarian and STIL havent done anything to fix it makes me wanna quit this shit game.
This game is a hard pass until teaming is punished enough. A leaderboard for whos the best at yapping is actually sad
Should prolly educate yourself on the teaming issue iron mace was addressing. It wasn't people being friendly. Which agreed can be a major issue. Not arguing that fact. But it was addressing full lobbies being people who know each other in discord and protecting people through multiple levels and insuring their escape bc they're queing at the same time in lower pop servers. And making actual money by doing this. Again arguably being friendly can produce the same result but what you're talking about isn't what iron mace was desperate to stop. Def like seeing people trying to promote pvp. I think more pvp would be a great mindset for a lot of people.but unfortunately sheep will be sheep
You should do a video on how dogshit Ambush is as a passive. 50% increase for a single hit that expires after 3 seconds is so bad. Even juiced streamers don't get any value from that perk 80% of the time lol
I love ambush, 50% is an extra 20-40 damage in a single hit when you're geared. Way more damage out of a perk than even rupture, a skill.
@@LtsamaI find it's only useful with a rapier, a stilleto doing 50 gets 15 damage which is tied to your stealth CD. Even in this video the one time you have ambush it just runs out before you hit it which happens most the time even with juiced kits
@@ReavenM1911A1 One time? 2:11 2:48 9:00 9:20 9:33 9:45 9:50 10:20 13:13 15:16 The ONLY instance in the entire video where Ambush doesn't work is at 3:35, but I already used it earlier in the fight, so I still got value out of it. I love ambush
@@Ltsama @Ltsama I honestly thought you swapped off after 3:35 for other perks iwth tumble but I see it now. My main point is its till like 10 damage max on a single hit when you're landing 3-4+ Not to mention the buff gets nerfed on arm or chest shots. Personally I take back attack since you usually can get one or two back hits from stealth if you play for it. It really helps in moments against barbs when they turn their back to you and let you stab them 3-4 times and it helps on pve.
Maybe I'm just salty over it not being weapon damage anymore but I haven't taken it since pt3or4 which ever one nerfed it hard
Kind of an L take on teaming but glad to see someone trying something new with rogue that doesnt make people wanna jump off a bridge.