Free will is rewriting the story of your past | Lisa Feldman Barrett and Lex Fridman
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- Опубліковано 24 жов 2024
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It's so refreshing to have someone be so knowledgeable and still not dogmatic.
True wisdom
Yes, I agree. This is a rare guest who has no problem taking things at face-value and not pretending to have lots of answers for things that do not have clear answers yet. Refreshing.
i agree. what's funny is if you go over to the clip where she's trying to decipher the psychedelic experience and compares it to dreaming. so many people lost their shit and called her pretentious.
the irony.
The most knowledgeable people are the least dogmatic.
"You can choose from phantom fears
And kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear
I will choose free will"
From my own life experience here’s what I would say:
- We have free will ONLY when we CONSCIOUSLY OVERRIDE our autopilot. It is possible to do but very, very difficult. People who conquer addictions, and consciously develop new habits that actually last, and that go against what they would normally do, are examples of free will. But we exercise free will probably less than 5% of the time, and that’s probably being generous. Most of the time we are on autopilot even when we think we’re actually making conscious decisions.
I agree. Modern life without religion is making people autopilot & follow materialistic illusions to avoid the pain of existence. Religious faith might not be scientifically realistic, but it imposes the practice of free will through believing in doing that which makes you worthy in front of God. It's one hell of a discipline for the mind, but we can already see what happens when the mind is allowed to roam freely. It goes crazy.
@@M419.99 - Actually we operate on autopilot regardless of our belief system, whether it be religious or not. Religion can provide a sense of purpose, which brings fulfillment, but unfortunately it is too often turned into manipulation and control by those in power.
Can you please expand on this idea that conscious choices are free choices?
A person's choice to conquer addiction is a "free choice" because it takes a lot of effort to implement new habits? Are you able to explain how that works?
I would rather say that a person which overcame addiction had the strong motivation to do so (maybe due to suffering, maybe due to a supportive friend). Doesn't it make more sense to think of it as.. this person was very "determined" to get over the addiction?
If I choose to hit the gym and get on a clean diet in order to get in shape, is that choice free because I do it consciously? That doesn't seem to add up, does it?
My choice to make a lifestyle change is most likely due to my desire to feel/do better. And my success on the matter will be heavily determined by my motivation. Motivation which can only come from experience... Where is the freedom? I cannot see it...
@@naenx You should try this: Think about your current condition. Are you satisfied with whatever you can manipulate in your specific situation (life, family, relationships, career...)? Well, chances are, to a certain degree, you’re not. Just like every individual human being. Just like I’m not very satisfied with some aspects of my life.
Now, the beauty, and the pain of being human, is to have that innate nature of dissatisfaction. Reach for a memoir, a bibliography of famous figures in history, even the Bible itself, you will feel the unique, but not uncommon struggle in their endeavor through life. That’s why I love reading history. From my reading experience, the rebellion against such existential angst, from Da Vinci, to Faraday, to the great Leo Tolstoy, is found in the pursuit of what ‘clicks’ them, of the conscious transcendence suffering into an artistic product (Da Vinci), intricate report of an electromagnetic experiment (Faraday), or a piece of literary (Tolstoy). What’s calling you, whichever idea keeps coming back and forth in your head, is almost god-like, from somewhere unknown, yet the decision to pursue it is a conscious one, out of your own free will.
All of this is my attempt to demonstrate that, free will is exactly why we separate ourselves from lower animals. Lower animals are conditioned to their limited capabilities and surrounding environments. If you’re a mouse, you find food, you breed a ton, and then die less than a month later. As human, you’re greatly more advantageous with a sophisticated brain. Should you choose to do, you can refrain from eating (reservation for later), refrain from instinctive mating (risk of STD, marital fidelity...), all the way to reorganize your life (stop addiction, exercise, develop career that you like...) to resolve the dissatisfaction within, and enjoy nice little perks along your journey (salary you gratefully earns, a fitting soulmate, the growth of personality...). I’d like to think free will as the opposite of whatever I don’t feel like in my life, and I’d struggle to fight against that to get what I actually feel like. That way, we can bend reality to our will, in accordance with external elements, because we’re not on our own. However, the situation we’re in, and most importantly our best talents are incredibly unique, indicating each of us is here to learn something. The teacher is hidden in every adversary in life, and it takes free will to try answer the question, because logically, there are millions way to do it terribly wrong, but only one way to get it ‘just right’. Follow what you deeply want to do best, refine it to perfection, and you will be praised by society for your mastery. I believe realizing these meta-info (thanks to the amazing brain, no other animals can behave this way) makes the journey more of an answer to ‘the meaning of life’ than any other literal answer, which is impossible to be literalized in any comprehensible manner anyway.
But the opposite of that, of realizing you’re God yourself? Individual demise in vain, waste of a unique opportunity to be conscious, and worse is total destruction of mankind done on each other.
It’s cool if you want to discuss. Thanks if you read everything I have to say.
Love that we still contemplate shit we don't grasp fully. Thanks Lex.
So doing random shit once in a while can be interpreted as being attributable to having some sort of free will?
adore her!!! "cultivating experiences for yourself that change your internal model" gold!
I love her too.
Here's what I think:
We live in an infinite universe of many (or infinite) infinities. We know that time does not exist in the way we know it; it exists everywhen, which implies determinism. However, if there are infinite possibilities and infinite 'you's, doesn't that means that the implied determinism-that since everything already is happened, you already made those choices-does exist, just on an infinite scale? You can and do make every possible choice, just you are travelling through the dimension of 'now' which exists in an opaque parallel to every single other 'now' that could have and will still/could maybe happen
There are two kinds of free will I think we can talk about. One is programmed and the other is natural. In this video, I believe Barrett and Fridman mostly talk about programmed/-able free will. How our brain computes information. And I think this sort of 'free will' is quite distinct from the quote-unquote "God-given" free-will vs. determinism that affects all life, not just humanity and brainy human choices.
whoever the programmers were.....they deserve to be called GODS. your comment was awesome
Excellent comment, mate
Love to hear her and robert sapolsky have a discussion
I don't even get into the "is free will real" thing anymore, I'm more like "should I use the term 'free will' right now?"
Can the ‘free Will is an illusion’ sentiment be proven?
“I have to access my memory module” LOL, Lisa didn’t laugh, she must not be keen on the whole “Lex is a robot” inside joke
choices do appear to happen but that doesn’t mean there is a chooser making them. they just seem to occur
its all feedback loops
That's one of the smartest comments.
Millions of Op-amp combined to process the desired output but the end of the day we are only striving to the perfect PID controller mentally.
I like Sapolsky's comment, "Free will is simply biology that we haven't yet come to understand." That's mangled. It's in his interview with Joe Rogan.
Trying to establish if we have free will before defining what free will is...very strange.
What is Free Will? Are we talking about a human's basic ability to make a choice without being obstructed to make that choice? I hope not.
Was I free to write this comment? Yes, in the sense that no one was attempting to unplug my computer or shove me away from the keyboard. But that's not the kind of freedom we are interested in here, right?
Otherwise, doesn't the act of willing (anything) require a motivation? And doesn't this motivation have to be acquired from (life) experience?
My genes are determined by my parents, and my desires are shaped by my environment. My choices by definition cannot be free. I cannot choose something different than what I was going to choose based on my desires. Being influenced by external ideas, or being able to learn/adapt and thus observing a change in my desires over a period of time is not proof of freedom, at least I don't understand how that can be so.
Did I freely choose to write this comment?
Wasn't I rather compelled to share this idea in an attempt to hopefully gain more insight on the matter?
What if I had a different set of experiences in life that made me more insecure about sharing my ideas? Would I be free to write this comment? Only if I worked on my insecurities, right? And that again would be based on previous motivations and experiences, would it not?
We are memories of our past moving into the future through choices we make in the present based on the position we are in right now.
I wouldn't answer your comment if you didn't write it. It's my response to it.
Every choice is consequence of our perceptions plus memories making decisions inside our brains
Her voice is nice.
it's gut to have clips as then it's easier to dis dumb bits and like the good ones
Free will is a convenient weapon we use to justify punishing others. We don’t want to forgive. We enjoy revenge. We are angry Gods.
Temperament and character make personality. Bring a psychiatrist psychoanalists for a deeper conversation about degrees of free will. Great interview.
Other animals & computers "make choices" too: having an array of possible/prospective choices doesn't equate to "freedom" if whatever "choice" that is finally enacted (or selected) arrives from either deterministic and/ or random factors. Decisions/actions rarely qualify as being consciously "willed" when enacted nor are free from unconscious/stochastic influences. The term 'free-will' connotes to a kind of delusion.
@@generallobster True I have yet to hear a compelling argument for free will from anyone don't know why its still discussed as if its a open question ? Most likely people don't want to accept that we are biological machines.
but what makes us cultivate new things? exactly! the prior state of universe including us and everything else. you cant get free of this... just accept it and go through its repercussions :D dont fool yourself (its not your choice i know)
Interested in how the brain works? Livewired by David Eagleman is a must read 😀❤️
3 identical strangers on Netflix your welcome
Choices we chose . Sin or not Sin .
Wow.
#brian #tyler #indra
She didn't prove free will (or any shade of free will) in any of her presumed arguments. Zero.
God knows our choices before we choose .