I like Neil DeGrasse Tyson's view. The Gregorian calendar revolution was huge. They came up with such a brilliant calendar and fixed so many problems with the Julian system that they got naming rights, and they chose BC & AD. He's not at all a Christian but he sees this as a way for many in the scientific community to deny a religious group their achievement. He in fact insisted over his publisher's objections to use BC/AD in his books. I think if an agnostic wants to fight to keep it that's brilliant. I stick by keeping but I'm not going to go out and fight over it.
I don't like NDT because he professes a false history statingg earth and the universe is billions of years old when God himself told us it is roughly 6500 years old when he gave us the book of Genesis.
@@kodingkrusader2765 Old Earth Creationist exist to you know. This depends on your Hermeneutics and the way you interpret the beginning of Gensis. Literally or figuratively. Bedsides this is a non issue for salvation and it should not be a hill to die on.
@@user-gy5er6wh2j that is very true. I am comfortable with both. I am not convinced of either but it has no bearing on my faith. There is plenty of scientific evidence for me to believe in an old earth and there is also plenty of scientific evidence for me to believe in a young earth with a global flood. I just find it fun to compare both and find answers to problems with both.
i as an atheist think that we should keep using BC and AD. it avoids confusion in noisy situations. it is confusing if you mis the B in BCE to make it CE
Great video as always, Matt! My wife and I really enjoy this channel. Yours is literally the first channel I've EVER "rung the bell for." So glad we found you here on the internets! :)
Same watershed moment, just one of the two systems actually acknowledges WHAT that watershed moment was.....while the other sticks its head in the sand and tries to deny it.
I still use BC and AD, since that makes the most sense to me as I was raised to think that way about time, but to each their own. Christian ideology is often looked down upon because the actions of men aren't separated from the teachings of Christianity, which often contradict the offensive acts that sceptical people wield against Christians. It's sad that people attack what they don't know or understand when the reference material, aka The Holy Bible, is widely available in books or free online apps. And I still see the change of our dates as yet another secular step away from the truth of Christ, and I worry for the young people who won't have a solid foundation in Jesus due to the attitude of prefabricated artificial 'popular culture'. Love is endangered by narcissistic self worship, and we definitely need more love in the world. I believe we need more people loving others as they love themselves, even if they are enemies.
I agree with you for the most part that tacitly they both point to the same event but there are a couple things that you hadn't mentioned that I find a bit problematic. There seems to have been cases of professors in academia flat out rejecting or failing submissions and papers by students who use AD instead of CE. I wouldn't be surprised if the opposite has happened at some Christian schools as well. This to me seems like a form of coerced speech or (it may even be argued) religious persecution. Not cool. It might be an extreme example but I think still something to consider. I guess the other thing that puzzles me is some of the reasoning they use for their stance? You mentioned in your video it might be strange for a Christian for example to date years according to events in Buddhism or Islam. Well, in a way aren't we doing that already? Months like March and June are named after Roman gods, days of the week like Thursday, Friday, Saturday after Thor, Freya, Saturn...planets, chemical elements, etc. If the reason they push for CE is for a secular, inclusive option for "everyone" then they should at least be consistent and apply it evenly across the board. Sale on element with atomic number 80 thermometers this 5th weekday of the 3rd calendar month! Rolls off the tongue...
Teuts2000 or maybe we should borrow Androids method of naming consecutive increasing update based on foods (Nougat, Oreo, Pie). Can you imagine the "Monster Truck Rallies" super-hyped announcer will stay the same with "Join us on Sundae.... Sundae... Sundae!!!!" although now Monday becomes Mozzarella; everyone already associates Taco Tuesday. Wednesday could be Whiskey cuz we need a shot or two to ease the weekly grind of getting halfway to the weekend, Turkey for Thursday so that everyday reminds us to be giving thanks and Fry-day can be like Sundae. Saturday will be Sauce-rday or Spaghetti or for those that cant properly pronounce like just S-ghetti. (homage to one of my old Staff Sergeants on active duty, hehe!!)
Something cool to add to this, there are some new epochs that are a result of the information age, since computers tend to count in seconds since a specific date. In the Microsoft world, we tend to count up from January 1st 1900, and in the Linux/Mac world we count up from January 1st 1970. This actually poses an interesting problem because, like the "Y2K" bug, if a computer is using a 32-bit integer to count seconds since 1970-01-01, it will "run out" of seconds on January 19, 2038 and roll over.
Julius Caesar and antiquity were aware of the disparities in the calendar because as a military commander it was extremely important for command. Especially being far from home there was a lot of unnecessary calculations that they had to do to make sure war seasons and holy days were in order and observed because of morale. But Rome, as a republic was reluctant to enact changes. Democracy! So when he became consul and dictator after returning from the wars, he was in a better position to put these in place. Because, there was a lot of standardization to be done as the empire spanned several latitudes and longitudes (in our language). Later Pope Gregory with the super-nerdy monks made additional additions to fix that, not only to account for more minor discrepancies whose cumulative effects would show up later on. And of course, communication between the corners of a now ‘globalised’ Church was now becoming a challenge. So some people saw ideology and legacy, but immediately for those that initiated these changes, it was pure necessity. So change out of ideological reasons will get an ideological resistance. But I agree with the Atheist. It gets confusing handling BCE and CE if the B goes missing somewhere. In any case, the church is still in command of almost a third of humanity, with adherent nations willing to acknowledge their heritage by sticking with the Dionysius’s formulation. And also other denominations. This is certainly only a First World (or American), problem.
I think it was Neil deGrasse Tyson I was listening to once say that he still used BC/AD. Not because he's a devout Christian (Ha!), but out of respect of the origins of the dating system, flawed as though the zero origin might be. Since it's a system that grew out of Christianity and humanity has a vast history with the religion, we do ourselves and our past a disservice by just relabeling it. If we want a dating system that's not overtly Christian its origin event also needs to be not overtly Christian. Me personally, I don't care what's used. I'll probably keep doing the BC/AD thing because I'm curmudgeonly like that, and don't like changing things just because...
good comment or whatever, but can't stand NDG. That dude is not a scientist. True scientists don't go around asserting their current understanding of theory as true-unfaliable fact. He gives scientists a really bad name.
I'm Coptic Christian, we still number our years on the Diocletian persecutions and use the ancient Egyptian calendar that the Roman calendar we still use today was modelled after (30 days for each month + 5 day mini month to make up the remainder of the year, or 6 days every 4 years). We refer to our year-numbering system as the year of the martyrs, martyrdom has always been a very important part of the Coptic church, and continues to be under a Muslim majority in Egypt. Under the Coptic calendar, today is the 27th of Paone, year 1735 of the martyrs :)
Momera This is fascinating. I had no idea. A similar situation would be Jews dating the year from the end of the Holocaust or beginning of modern Israel, although I don’t see that anyone has done that.
Good history Matt, this is so usable in a lot of applications. Simple and accessible but rich content. I can show this to my kids and they'll get it but enough going on to engage a highschool class or thinking grown up.
tintinismybelgian I’m pretty sure creepy eyes (Constantine) and baby chub (Nebuchadnezzar) aren’t flattering whenever you go, or maybe that’s just my assumption and our ancestors had weird taste. I’m loving the fact that I can say that about kings whom would’ve had my head for saying that if they were still alive!
Yeah but we Christians don't have anything common with the infidel, who hates us mind you. Nor should we ever be lump together with them (2 Cor. 6:11-18).
@Paula Wallace Well no, Christians read the Bible and do what it says, which will never result in genocide and colonization unless highly manipulated. Sure, the last beast might be out there and sure, they will definitely be quoting the Bible but they are def not Christians lol. Those people are literally the most loving people on the planet
@Paula Wallace I'm so sorry you feel that, truly. It kinda hurts honestly. I'd ask you to read the New Testament, all that it says about loving, persisting in the face of evil, doing good to those who persecute you and everything else. I wish I could summarize it but really it's just something you have to read. I'm so sorry Paula. I know there's nothing I can say to make you change your mind. Please stay blessed and be an example to others through love, especially to those wolves who claim to be sheep.
It's cool that you can extensively cover a subject that would seem mundane, yet keep your audience interested by injecting personality and wit into the cracks. Great work Matt
Hey Matt, long tike fan of the podcast here. I'm not the biggest fan of religion, but once in a while I see you talk about one of your videos on twitter and I check the video out. Today I realised that I have enjoyed every one of those videos, so I finally decided to subscribe. I'm glad I did it, and now I'm waiting for the next video! Also: when is history nugget happening?
Thanks very much on all accounts. Thanks also for be excited about history nugget; I continue to put thought and effort into it, and I hope is but I have that launched much sooner than later.
Good points. I'd like to add that if something specifically points to a non-Western event (such as interpreting when some Chinese event happened, but in years that we would understand), it seems right, almost necessary, to use BCE/CE. It seems more academic.
Meanwhile more seriously: I'm fine with BCE/CE. They say Common Era, I say Christian Era, it's only common by being Christian anyway. And obviously, a communist/leftist plot would have the calendar restart in October of 1919 or maybe on Marx's birthday, so I'll worry about that when-if-ever it happens.
Enjoyed the video as always Matt. But just a point on you finding the use of AD/BC and CE/BCE to be about 50/50. I'm an Irish History and Religious Education teacher currently teaching in the UK (although returning to Ireland soon). It's still extremely common to use the more traditional AD/BC both in schools and in academia in general in this part of the world. I think perhaps the use of CE/BCE is more common in the American academic circles that you are more familiar with and isn't really reflective of general usage. Not a criticism or anything, just an observation.
You missed a great opportunity to set your thumbnail to a screenshot of the scene in Jumanji where Robin Williams's character asks, *"What YEAR is it???"*
I think Julius Caesar’s calendar retained April first as the beginning of the new numbered year. April first is the first of the month closest to the Spring Equinox. The later Gregorian calendar changed the new year to January first, the first of the month closest to the Winter Solstice. People who tried to hold to April first as the start of the new year were called fools which solidified April Fools Day. Somebody help me if this is wrong.
After viewing your comments, I'll continue to use BC and AD, regardless of the venue. If someone objects it's a great opportunity to put my viewpoint on the table. I pray God that I'll (silently) invoke the power of the Holy Spirit and maybe that seed will take root. PS. Moses Maimonides comes along pretty late in the game. Bishop Ussher's date predates his and some textual research suggests that the date can be moved back some centuries. Thanks again for piquing my interest. There are times when I disagree with you, but the Body of Christ is not all elbows or knees; each part serves a purpose.
Pretty good break down. I had wondered (but not with enough motivation to go research it) how the Jewish people had calculated the beginning of the world. Thanks for putting this video together.
I believe he looked at each dating system and figured out the number of days then subtracted it from the day he was in. Super simplified explanation but it was definitely something that took his whole life.
In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. ~7527 AM ;o)) -Byzantine (BC 5508+2019 AD)... Human reason never managed to elaborate a perfectly accurate calendar. Yet just a simple stick stuck in the ground is enough to measure the span of daylight by observing the movement of the shadow. The cycle of the moon divides time almost precisely: 13 months x 28 days = 364 or 7 x 52 weeks = a 364 days long year. However the church calendar refers to a permanent liturgical time. The purpose of measuring historical time is mainly to observe and comprehend a phenomenology and thus the becoming of mankind. Thanks Matt! All your videos are of a great value and very helpful. I like your open approach. Keep up with the good stuff. Greetings from an orthodox christian from Romania. I would like to add that the key to all the scriptures and gospels is the cross: the Point is undefined infinite. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line. Three points describe a plan. Three emerging plans describe a cross and the cross describes a point. In my language Cruce - similar to Latin - means cross. Ključ - derived from the same root word in Slavic languages - means key. Is that not interesting? If you are a seeker of convergence you will find it in the cross. Crucifixion is where the Holy Trinity is revealed to us all. Our becoming goes from Adam through the baptismal death and through the cross to our birth in Christ our Lord, God, and Redeemer. Through liturgy we become one with the church - Body of Christ. The Church is also our Mother - Holy Virgin Mary Mother of our God.
Classicist and historian here: If u want to be really specific and snooty, in Latin it’s pronounced “ah-no doh-me-knee”. Vowel sounds in Classical Latin (I.e. how it sounded during Jesus’ era) are consistent across the board with the exception of a few such as “u” which can sound like as in “us” or “you” depending on if it is long or short.
I know that if I'm reading a text that has anything to do with biblical scholarship that if I see BCE/CE then the text almost certainly takes a liberal viewpoint.
What about the argument that BC/AD sounds better and more distinct? I honestly get confused more often by BCE/CE because the two sound very similar. And one is also slightly longer. A solution could be to change the meaning. For example: BC = Backwards Chronology AD = Advancing Dates A sufficient compromise?
Since we're counting backwards we could even go notationless using negative numbers. As in, we're in the year 2019; Cleopatra died in the year -30. All in all, this is a non issue.
I think overall your conclusion is right to those that are old enough to know the difference. But my concern is that no one is being taught why it's called C.E.
I'm really interested that you find them to be used equally in the US, here in Australia I nearly never see anyone other than a few scholars (almost all of whom are Christians going out of their way to make an identity statement by using the dates). Usually people just use the year with no letters afterward.
I used to do archeology at a native american fishing village. Describing when they lived with BC/AD would be silly as they didn't know who Jesus was and disrespectful when you consider how Christians have treated them.
As long as people are communicating clearly, I would never get upset at the terminology people use. Even if they use it because they are not Christian, I get it. I don't know how the years are designated in Chinese, but I expect their system is based on something more relevant to their culture that the life of Jesus (and since I am aware non-Christians exist and that doesn't offend me, strange that I might be offended by some mere reflection of that). I would also add to the list that "Xmas" is fine. The "X" in Xmas is the Greek letter "chi" and it's been used as an abbreviation for "Christos" (Χριστός) for literally a thousand years. "Xmas" as an abbreviation isn't modern, it's centuries old. Heck, even "Happy Holidays". If that's your preference, for any reason you may choose, it seems perfectly polite to me.
Great job! And you are correct the new rendering is about universalizing the terminology, it's not really changing anything. There is so much here to comment on. Let me start by asking. Why doesn't January 1st fall on the winter solstice, or the day after (December 21st I think)? Was this an error, we have lived with ever since? Or is there a reason. The ancient world would have been sensitive to the two Solstices and the two Equinoxes wouldn't they? Next question, about the clock. Two twelve hour periods? Why 12? Why two of them? Why the new day starting at midnight, in the Jewish tradition the new day starts at Sundown, doesn't it? And I haven't even started on the 60 minutes an hour is divided into. Where did this all come from? Why do we all just accept it blindly? Finally, I have read that it was the responsibility of the Priest to keep the calendar in order to declare the feast days. Is that correct? Or has the calendar always
Interesting video on a somewhat controversial subject I didn't know existed until today. In Swedish we only have f.Kr: före Kristus = Before Christ, and e.Kr: efter Kristus = After (the birth of) Christ.
Well, time change and I officially created a mindset around living before BPLP and after APLP before and after (Pepe Le Pew) and is okay to disagree I mean after all the Era of having a "sense of humour" is over... -Thanks for all your knowledge brother blessings
I thought Neil deGrasse Tyson had an interesting response. The Catholic church had to modify the Julian (Roman, for Julius Caesar) calendar in order to account for the small discrepancies in an Earth day technically being shorter than 24 hours by seconds--those seconds add up after years, and so calendars need adjustment with leap days and leap years. Well, on the order of Pope Gregory XIII, people figured out the math on the best way to account for those seconds with certain rules (leap year every 4 years, except when the year's exactly divisible by 100, etc.). This calendar is thus the Gregorian calendar, and its rules are so robust and impressive, that it has stood the test of time for the past 500 years. To bring it full circle, then, it makes sense to continue using BC/AD, since the calendar we're all using was made by Christians, and they should be honored for their work in figuring all the math out. At the same time, no need to make unnecessary offense, so it is a worthwhile conversation to have.
That laugh after admitting using After Death in official capacities got me good. Definitely laughed very out loud in a public setting. Now I'm sitting her avoiding eye contact.
I think Julius Caesar added months to the calendar year to our current nine months so that the Solstice ann Equinox came in the same months every year. With less than nine months, there was no annual regularity to the change of the seasons.
Happy Woden-day! I think it's neat that we still use sexigecimal. In private I toy with a sexigecimal dating system that handily compresses and in unicode sorts 14 billion years with 6 characters. It zeros out the last four gegits to around the Holocene/Neolithic Revolution (Set to 12819ya) so the last two gegits correlate to AD/CE. I can't say I actually make use of it, but I come back to it trying to every so often.
It's mindblowing to think that we see time in single slice snapshots of seconds and years in our 3-dimensional limitation. Like 2D flatlanders would see a 3D object passing through their reality. Christian or not, you have to wonder if God or His angels see our 4D existence in its entirety as we struggle to wrap our heads around time itself.
It was always confusing, until I studied Constantine. Did you know there was no year zero? How about up to year 10? That leaves me with your question, what year is it?
This was helpful, I assumed, that since I had never heard of CE/BCE until the last few years that it was a political move. Also, I just want to mention that I too called AD After Death for an embarrassingly long time.
Doesnt matter much to us. We called it masihi year derived from al masih/messiah. There are also hijria, caka, and all sorts of other calendar system that have limited use for religious and cultural purposes. It still is the same system with anno domini and before christ.
Just a clarification around 10:20; the Alexandrian Christians and the Coptic Christians are one in the same, not different "sects" as it were. Coptic just means Egyptian and the Coptic Church was based In Alexandria
Use whichever system you want. I don't really care. For my university work I use BCE/CE because that's the standard in academia, but I tend to say BC/AD in casual conversation. Unless that casual conversation is about something I'm working on that involves dates, and then I'm saying BCE/CE. Whatever, it's 2020.
So when do we start counting StarDate? (like in STAR TREK) I'm watching STAR TREK ENTERPRISE on Netflix ... I'm most of the way through the second season, and it looks like they're still Gregorian!
Your video history was rather interesting. Did Bede invent BC or was it just someone around the same time? Although honestly, I don't really care much about all this. It's not a massive deal. Personally, I use BC/AD because BC uses less letters than BCE; so is less of a mouthful and looks less ugly when written down (also, it's probably more commonly used in the UK). I don't do it to sound particularly 'religious' when quoting dates, if I wanted to do that I'd probably say 'Year of our Lord' in English like they do in older writings.
Instead of numbering their years, every new year the assyrians would elect a limmu, who was like the king of the new year festival, and they would name the year after him. Which meant that scribes and scholars would have to keep track of lists of names for what each year was called.
Now I want a video on Christmas versus Xmas! But seriously, thank you for going in detail and breaking down all the tray counting systems the Western world has used over the few thousand years of history we have, very informative!
Even if our governments shift the year to another system like 6.404,294,205 A.B. or whatever, we can simply continue our tradition of counting from a date that's at least somewhat accurate and just as important.
I admit I first got bothered by the BCE/CE thing when it started recently becoming more prominent. But looking at it either way BC/AD/BCE/CE all point to Jesus. If you ask anyone using the newer version what does this point to they have to answer Jesus anyway lol What happened at the year 1 in the CE? Another thing you realise and is that the BC/AD isn't perfect anyway, Unless Jesus's birth miraculously went for 4 or 5 years. Even when in High School years where BC/AD where used, unless you make a point of saying the abbreviated words all the time. The initials just become their own thing. It's not a perfect system and I think there are better and more worthier fights to tackle than in imperfect dating system. Thanks for the video Matt really enjoyed it and agree with your point of view. Would still enjoy it even if I didn't. But hello from Australia!
I mean, the main flipping point still centers around Christ’s birth (albeit an initial slight miscalculation but still), so it’s not like anything really changes, just the vocabulary. A rose by any other name and all that. I tend toward BC/AD because that’s what I grew up with, even in school in the 90s and 00s, but it’s just an adjustment to make as BCE/CE gains more ground.
Good. Thanks Matt. It is another example of people trying to remove God and Jesus out of history, but not worth making a big fight over. You could have said a bit more about the Gregorian calendar as that is what we are living with today..
I'll use either depending on what I'm writing about and to who. Writing about a Christianity-related topic or to a largely Christian audience? BC/AD. Writing about a secular topic to a secular audience? BCE/CE. Taking my own notes on ancient history? Anno Lucis (4000 BC = 0 AL) or Holocene Era (10000 BC = 0 HE).
I hope so. I checked the total number of impressions, and discovered that UA-cam had put this in front of less than half the number of my total subscribers. Something is amiss.
@@MattWhitmanTMBH Hopefully this is more successful. To be honest, I saw the original a couple times in my feed without clicking on it before I noticed the TMBH logo and then clicked it. I had to pause halfway through and when I came back is when I noticed the new title. I enjoyed the video but it's a tough one to title.
thank you for going in detail and breaking down all the tray counting systems the Western world has used over the few thousand years of history we have as you say, in my mind this makes it a bit of a non-issue because this is just one of several ways it has been done, even by God's people... And if you want to use it as a reason to talk about Jesus, sure, but I'd consider that someone using CE is likely to know the reason they use it and for that not to be the route to a fruitful discussion based on your disagreement... I'd like to think my stances on lots of other issues and my general enthusiasm for learning more about the subject of Jesus, history, and the Bible provide enough other useful avenues of discussion than BC/AD versus BCE/CE...
I think Matt discusses that on one of his recent episodes of No Dumb Questions, the podcast he does with Destin Sandlin from Smarter Every Day. Give it a listen if you haven't yet! Disclaimer: I'm absolutely not a paid promoter for NDQ Podcast LLC. or any of it's affiliates and the views expressed in this UA-cam comment do not necessarily reflect the views of Mr. Whitman, Mr. Sandlin or the states of Montana and Alabama. (how'd I do boss? Can I get that first pay check now? *crickets*)
@@Teuts2000 Do you happen to know which episode? I listen to the podcast but I might have missed the segment and I haven't listened to the latest episode yet.
I have issues with certain reasoning behind insisting on using BCE/CE. Primarily the justification used to ban BC/AD in favor of the alternate. I have heard that one of the reasons is because some people may take offense to bc/ad. My counter is to point out that, firstly, you are still going to offend those people by using Jesus Christ's existence as a reference date. Secondly, all the Christians you are backhandedly dissing by implying that it's okay to offend Christians. My other issue is with the claims that, somehow, BCE/CE is more scientific or more conductive to science than the use of BC/AD. And to that, I just do a comparison of the two to point out that fallacy. eg: BC/AD is easier to error check (both notice the error, and prevent in the first place), also more efficient to type out (like in school textbook's) All that said, so long as I'm not being forced to use it for "reasons" (which I'm assured have nothing to do with atheists, etc)... I'm honestly kinda agreeing with Mr. Host here, there are bigger problems that need to be figured out or pursued. Abortion, teaching 7yrs olds cross-dressing/transgenderism/sexuality, etc... For example.
Isn’t an obvious statement that the best-seller in the history of all mankind, the year we all sign our checks no matter where we live, and the most celebrated holiday in the world is about Jesus? And what else is Jesus than the love, forgiveness of our sins and rescue from our own demons we all so need? And we still fight about that? Who are we?
An interesting discussion would be to determine which is actually the year of Jesus birth. Was it 3 or 4 BC? Or was is 0 or 1 AD? My understanding is that the date of a year zero (or one) was dismissed because of a certain document from Josephus, but Josephus was known not to be very accurate about dates. So if we ignore Josephus docs, does the year zero hold? . On a less serious note, I think its year zero, because that was the year Dr. Emet Brown used in his time machine (December 25, 0000) and who are we to argue with the great Steven Spielberg 😜
well communist christians would be an Oxymoron due to the required contradictions of both believe systems. One is materialist the other thesis is just but one of them.
Correct, @@Delgen1951. Liberal Democrats, by definition, cannot be born-again Christians because their ideological beliefs are contradictory to Scripture.
@@Delgen1951 Not as far as the economic principals behind communism. Those actually could be Christian in origin. Take a look at what the Christians did in Jerusalem between the time of Jesus ascension and the early persecution of the church. In that time, they held all things in common (Acts 4:32). Holding things in common is much closer to communism from an economic standpoint than capitalism. As a political entity, communism and Christianity would be opposed.
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I like Neil DeGrasse Tyson's view. The Gregorian calendar revolution was huge. They came up with such a brilliant calendar and fixed so many problems with the Julian system that they got naming rights, and they chose BC & AD. He's not at all a Christian but he sees this as a way for many in the scientific community to deny a religious group their achievement. He in fact insisted over his publisher's objections to use BC/AD in his books. I think if an agnostic wants to fight to keep it that's brilliant. I stick by keeping but I'm not going to go out and fight over it.
I don't like NDT because he professes a false history statingg earth and the universe is billions of years old when God himself told us it is roughly 6500 years old when he gave us the book of Genesis.
@@kodingkrusader2765 Old Earth Creationist exist to you know.
This depends on your Hermeneutics and the way you interpret the beginning of Gensis. Literally or figuratively. Bedsides this is a non issue for salvation and it should not be a hill to die on.
@@user-gy5er6wh2j that is very true. I am comfortable with both. I am not convinced of either but it has no bearing on my faith. There is plenty of scientific evidence for me to believe in an old earth and there is also plenty of scientific evidence for me to believe in a young earth with a global flood. I just find it fun to compare both and find answers to problems with both.
Thank you for giving me something to appreciate about NDT.
Dude, you're a good talker. One take - no "ums".
Thanks Kurt. I'm way worse backwards.
Listening to talkers makes me thirsty. And hungry.
i as an atheist think that we should keep using BC and AD. it avoids confusion in noisy situations. it is confusing if you mis the B in BCE to make it CE
Came here from NDQ. Didnt know Matt before that. But I am thankful i found this content. Good stuff.
Same
I found this from NDQ also - great podcast
Great video as always, Matt! My wife and I really enjoy this channel. Yours is literally the first channel I've EVER "rung the bell for." So glad we found you here on the internets! :)
Totally agree with your outlook on this Matt.There's no need to get caught up in which is better, BCE/CE or BC/AD. Same Dates. Same Watershed moment.
Same watershed moment, just one of the two systems actually acknowledges WHAT that watershed moment was.....while the other sticks its head in the sand and tries to deny it.
I still use BC and AD, since that makes the most sense to me as I was raised to think that way about time, but to each their own. Christian ideology is often looked down upon because the actions of men aren't separated from the teachings of Christianity, which often contradict the offensive acts that sceptical people wield against Christians. It's sad that people attack what they don't know or understand when the reference material, aka The Holy Bible, is widely available in books or free online apps. And I still see the change of our dates as yet another secular step away from the truth of Christ, and I worry for the young people who won't have a solid foundation in Jesus due to the attitude of prefabricated artificial 'popular culture'. Love is endangered by narcissistic self worship, and we definitely need more love in the world. I believe we need more people loving others as they love themselves, even if they are enemies.
I’ve been writing BC & AD for the last 50+yrs, & I don’t see any need for me to change.
Absolutely binge watching your videos and absolutely loving it! Thank you so much, God bless you
I agree with you for the most part that tacitly they both point to the same event but there are a couple things that you hadn't mentioned that I find a bit problematic. There seems to have been cases of professors in academia flat out rejecting or failing submissions and papers by students who use AD instead of CE. I wouldn't be surprised if the opposite has happened at some Christian schools as well. This to me seems like a form of coerced speech or (it may even be argued) religious persecution. Not cool. It might be an extreme example but I think still something to consider.
I guess the other thing that puzzles me is some of the reasoning they use for their stance? You mentioned in your video it might be strange for a Christian for example to date years according to events in Buddhism or Islam. Well, in a way aren't we doing that already? Months like March and June are named after Roman gods, days of the week like Thursday, Friday, Saturday after Thor, Freya, Saturn...planets, chemical elements, etc. If the reason they push for CE is for a secular, inclusive option for "everyone" then they should at least be consistent and apply it evenly across the board. Sale on element with atomic number 80 thermometers this 5th weekday of the 3rd calendar month! Rolls off the tongue...
Teuts2000 or maybe we should borrow Androids method of naming consecutive increasing update based on foods (Nougat, Oreo, Pie). Can you imagine the "Monster Truck Rallies" super-hyped announcer will stay the same with "Join us on Sundae.... Sundae... Sundae!!!!" although now Monday becomes Mozzarella; everyone already associates Taco Tuesday. Wednesday could be Whiskey cuz we need a shot or two to ease the weekly grind of getting halfway to the weekend, Turkey for Thursday so that everyday reminds us to be giving thanks and Fry-day can be like Sundae. Saturday will be Sauce-rday or Spaghetti or for those that cant properly pronounce like just S-ghetti. (homage to one of my old Staff Sergeants on active duty, hehe!!)
Something cool to add to this, there are some new epochs that are a result of the information age, since computers tend to count in seconds since a specific date. In the Microsoft world, we tend to count up from January 1st 1900, and in the Linux/Mac world we count up from January 1st 1970.
This actually poses an interesting problem because, like the "Y2K" bug, if a computer is using a 32-bit integer to count seconds since 1970-01-01, it will "run out" of seconds on January 19, 2038 and roll over.
BM/AM - Before Manatee/After Manatee. Great video Matt!
Julius Caesar and antiquity were aware of the disparities in the calendar because as a military commander it was extremely important for command. Especially being far from home there was a lot of unnecessary calculations that they had to do to make sure war seasons and holy days were in order and observed because of morale. But Rome, as a republic was reluctant to enact changes. Democracy!
So when he became consul and dictator after returning from the wars, he was in a better position to put these in place. Because, there was a lot of standardization to be done as the empire spanned several latitudes and longitudes (in our language).
Later Pope Gregory with the super-nerdy monks made additional additions to fix that, not only to account for more minor discrepancies whose cumulative effects would show up later on. And of course, communication between the corners of a now ‘globalised’ Church was now becoming a challenge.
So some people saw ideology and legacy, but immediately for those that initiated these changes, it was pure necessity. So change out of ideological reasons will get an ideological resistance.
But I agree with the Atheist. It gets confusing handling BCE and CE if the B goes missing somewhere. In any case, the church is still in command of almost a third of humanity, with adherent nations willing to acknowledge their heritage by sticking with the Dionysius’s formulation. And also other denominations. This is certainly only a First World (or American), problem.
I think it was Neil deGrasse Tyson I was listening to once say that he still used BC/AD. Not because he's a devout Christian (Ha!), but out of respect of the origins of the dating system, flawed as though the zero origin might be. Since it's a system that grew out of Christianity and humanity has a vast history with the religion, we do ourselves and our past a disservice by just relabeling it. If we want a dating system that's not overtly Christian its origin event also needs to be not overtly Christian.
Me personally, I don't care what's used. I'll probably keep doing the BC/AD thing because I'm curmudgeonly like that, and don't like changing things just because...
good comment or whatever, but can't stand NDG. That dude is not a scientist. True scientists don't go around asserting their current understanding of theory as true-unfaliable fact. He gives scientists a really bad name.
I'm Coptic Christian, we still number our years on the Diocletian persecutions and use the ancient Egyptian calendar that the Roman calendar we still use today was modelled after (30 days for each month + 5 day mini month to make up the remainder of the year, or 6 days every 4 years). We refer to our year-numbering system as the year of the martyrs, martyrdom has always been a very important part of the Coptic church, and continues to be under a Muslim majority in Egypt. Under the Coptic calendar, today is the 27th of Paone, year 1735 of the martyrs :)
Momera This is fascinating. I had no idea. A similar situation would be Jews dating the year from the end of the Holocaust or beginning of modern Israel, although I don’t see that anyone has done that.
Good history Matt, this is so usable in a lot of applications. Simple and accessible but rich content. I can show this to my kids and they'll get it but enough going on to engage a highschool class or thinking grown up.
On a side note, I often wonder if these sculptures and busts of these guys are made after they died, because none of them are very flattering.
Or the aesthetics of what is/isn't considered flattering have changed over time.
tintinismybelgian I’m pretty sure creepy eyes (Constantine) and baby chub (Nebuchadnezzar) aren’t flattering whenever you go, or maybe that’s just my assumption and our ancestors had weird taste.
I’m loving the fact that I can say that about kings whom would’ve had my head for saying that if they were still alive!
It's essentially the same thing because both systems are based around the same historical event.
Yep, pretty much
Yeah but we Christians don't have anything common with the infidel, who hates us mind you. Nor should we ever be lump together with them (2 Cor. 6:11-18).
Just think.... BCE = Before Christian Era.... CE = Christian Era... Sssshhhhhh.... dont tell the haters! Lol
Genius
@Paula Wallace Well no, Christians read the Bible and do what it says, which will never result in genocide and colonization unless highly manipulated. Sure, the last beast might be out there and sure, they will definitely be quoting the Bible but they are def not Christians lol. Those people are literally the most loving people on the planet
@Paula Wallace I'm so sorry you feel that, truly. It kinda hurts honestly. I'd ask you to read the New Testament, all that it says about loving, persisting in the face of evil, doing good to those who persecute you and everything else. I wish I could summarize it but really it's just something you have to read. I'm so sorry Paula. I know there's nothing I can say to make you change your mind. Please stay blessed and be an example to others through love, especially to those wolves who claim to be sheep.
@Paula Wallace -- You have confused Christianity with Islam.
@Paula Wallace Would you clarify what "ba/sf/bb Christian" means? I am not familiar with these abbreviations.
It's cool that you can extensively cover a subject that would seem mundane, yet keep your audience interested by injecting personality and wit into the cracks. Great work Matt
Just came across your channel today and looking forward to watching more! Great job Bro!
Hey Matt, long tike fan of the podcast here. I'm not the biggest fan of religion, but once in a while I see you talk about one of your videos on twitter and I check the video out. Today I realised that I have enjoyed every one of those videos, so I finally decided to subscribe.
I'm glad I did it, and now I'm waiting for the next video!
Also: when is history nugget happening?
Thanks very much on all accounts. Thanks also for be excited about history nugget; I continue to put thought and effort into it, and I hope is but I have that launched much sooner than later.
Good points. I'd like to add that if something specifically points to a non-Western event (such as interpreting when some Chinese event happened, but in years that we would understand), it seems right, almost necessary, to use BCE/CE. It seems more academic.
Probably the first time I've disagreed with one of your conclusions, but still a great video.
Meanwhile more seriously: I'm fine with BCE/CE. They say Common Era, I say Christian Era, it's only common by being Christian anyway.
And obviously, a communist/leftist plot would have the calendar restart in October of 1919 or maybe on Marx's birthday, so I'll worry about that when-if-ever it happens.
Enjoyed the video as always Matt.
But just a point on you finding the use of AD/BC and CE/BCE to be about 50/50. I'm an Irish History and Religious Education teacher currently teaching in the UK (although returning to Ireland soon). It's still extremely common to use the more traditional AD/BC both in schools and in academia in general in this part of the world.
I think perhaps the use of CE/BCE is more common in the American academic circles that you are more familiar with and isn't really reflective of general usage.
Not a criticism or anything, just an observation.
You missed a great opportunity to set your thumbnail to a screenshot of the scene in Jumanji where Robin Williams's character asks, *"What YEAR is it???"*
I'm stealing this idea. Thank you.
I think Julius Caesar’s calendar retained April first as the beginning of the new numbered year. April first is the first of the month closest to the Spring Equinox. The later Gregorian calendar changed the new year to January first, the first of the month closest to the Winter Solstice. People who tried to hold to April first as the start of the new year were called fools which solidified April Fools Day. Somebody help me if this is wrong.
You have clearly mastered the Feynman Technique. Great work!!!
Thank you Matt! I've always wondered about this subject matter and now I have a little bit more clarity.
After viewing your comments, I'll continue to use BC and AD, regardless of the venue. If someone objects it's a great opportunity to put my viewpoint on the table. I pray God that I'll (silently) invoke the power of the Holy Spirit and maybe that seed will take root. PS. Moses Maimonides comes along pretty late in the game. Bishop Ussher's date predates his and some textual research suggests that the date can be moved back some centuries. Thanks again for piquing my interest. There are times when I disagree with you, but the Body of Christ is not all elbows or knees; each part serves a purpose.
I was going to say, what about Bishop Ussher?
Pretty good break down. I had wondered (but not with enough motivation to go research it) how the Jewish people had calculated the beginning of the world. Thanks for putting this video together.
I believe he looked at each dating system and figured out the number of days then subtracted it from the day he was in. Super simplified explanation but it was definitely something that took his whole life.
In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.
~7527 AM ;o)) -Byzantine (BC 5508+2019 AD)... Human reason never managed to elaborate a perfectly accurate calendar. Yet just a simple stick stuck in the ground is enough to measure the span of daylight by observing the movement of the shadow. The cycle of the moon divides time almost precisely: 13 months x 28 days = 364 or 7 x 52 weeks = a 364 days long year. However the church calendar refers to a permanent liturgical time. The purpose of measuring historical time is mainly to observe and comprehend a phenomenology and thus the becoming of mankind. Thanks Matt! All your videos are of a great value and very helpful. I like your open approach. Keep up with the good stuff. Greetings from an orthodox christian from Romania. I would like to add that the key to all the scriptures and gospels is the cross: the Point is undefined infinite. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line. Three points describe a plan. Three emerging plans describe a cross and the cross describes a point. In my language Cruce - similar to Latin - means cross. Ključ - derived from the same root word in Slavic languages - means key. Is that not interesting? If you are a seeker of convergence you will find it in the cross. Crucifixion is where the Holy Trinity is revealed to us all. Our becoming goes from Adam through the baptismal death and through the cross to our birth in Christ our Lord, God, and Redeemer. Through liturgy we become one with the church - Body of Christ. The Church is also our Mother - Holy Virgin Mary Mother of our God.
Classicist and historian here:
If u want to be really specific and snooty, in Latin it’s pronounced “ah-no doh-me-knee”. Vowel sounds in Classical Latin (I.e. how it sounded during Jesus’ era) are consistent across the board with the exception of a few such as “u” which can sound like as in “us” or “you” depending on if it is long or short.
I've seen homeschoolers or homeschool companies use the BC/AD as a test for whether they will use a text or not.
I know that if I'm reading a text that has anything to do with biblical scholarship that if I see BCE/CE then the text almost certainly takes a liberal viewpoint.
What about the argument that BC/AD sounds better and more distinct? I honestly get confused more often by BCE/CE because the two sound very similar. And one is also slightly longer.
A solution could be to change the meaning. For example:
BC = Backwards Chronology
AD = Advancing Dates
A sufficient compromise?
Since we're counting backwards we could even go notationless using negative numbers. As in, we're in the year 2019; Cleopatra died in the year -30.
All in all, this is a non issue.
Thank you. Basically, no big deal!
I think overall your conclusion is right to those that are old enough to know the difference. But my concern is that no one is being taught why it's called C.E.
I'm really interested that you find them to be used equally in the US, here in Australia I nearly never see anyone other than a few scholars (almost all of whom are Christians going out of their way to make an identity statement by using the dates). Usually people just use the year with no letters afterward.
Man and I thought FM and AM were controversial on my radio
I used to do archeology at a native american fishing village. Describing when they lived with BC/AD would be silly as they didn't know who Jesus was and disrespectful when you consider how Christians have treated them.
Love it. Thanks for the info! I learnt many things!
As long as people are communicating clearly, I would never get upset at the terminology people use. Even if they use it because they are not Christian, I get it. I don't know how the years are designated in Chinese, but I expect their system is based on something more relevant to their culture that the life of Jesus (and since I am aware non-Christians exist and that doesn't offend me, strange that I might be offended by some mere reflection of that). I would also add to the list that "Xmas" is fine. The "X" in Xmas is the Greek letter "chi" and it's been used as an abbreviation for "Christos" (Χριστός) for literally a thousand years. "Xmas" as an abbreviation isn't modern, it's centuries old. Heck, even "Happy Holidays". If that's your preference, for any reason you may choose, it seems perfectly polite to me.
Great job! And you are correct the new rendering is about universalizing the terminology, it's not really changing anything. There is so much here to comment on.
Let me start by asking. Why doesn't January 1st fall on the winter solstice, or the day after (December 21st I think)? Was this an error, we have lived with ever since? Or is there a reason. The ancient world would have been sensitive to the two Solstices and the two Equinoxes wouldn't they?
Next question, about the clock. Two twelve hour periods? Why 12? Why two of them? Why the new day starting at midnight, in the Jewish tradition the new day starts at Sundown, doesn't it? And I haven't even started on the 60 minutes an hour is divided into. Where did this all come from? Why do we all just accept it blindly?
Finally, I have read that it was the responsibility of the Priest to keep the calendar in order to declare the feast days. Is that correct? Or has the calendar always
Interesting video on a somewhat controversial subject I didn't know existed until today. In Swedish we only have f.Kr: före Kristus = Before Christ, and e.Kr: efter Kristus = After (the birth of) Christ.
Well, time change and I officially created a mindset around living before BPLP and after APLP before and after (Pepe Le Pew) and is okay to disagree I mean after all the Era of having a "sense of humour" is over...
-Thanks for all your knowledge brother blessings
people often get annoyed with me as every story begins "the other day..." this means anytime between yesterday and my birth
I thought Neil deGrasse Tyson had an interesting response. The Catholic church had to modify the Julian (Roman, for Julius Caesar) calendar in order to account for the small discrepancies in an Earth day technically being shorter than 24 hours by seconds--those seconds add up after years, and so calendars need adjustment with leap days and leap years. Well, on the order of Pope Gregory XIII, people figured out the math on the best way to account for those seconds with certain rules (leap year every 4 years, except when the year's exactly divisible by 100, etc.). This calendar is thus the Gregorian calendar, and its rules are so robust and impressive, that it has stood the test of time for the past 500 years. To bring it full circle, then, it makes sense to continue using BC/AD, since the calendar we're all using was made by Christians, and they should be honored for their work in figuring all the math out. At the same time, no need to make unnecessary offense, so it is a worthwhile conversation to have.
That laugh after admitting using After Death in official capacities got me good. Definitely laughed very out loud in a public setting. Now I'm sitting her avoiding eye contact.
0:19 So... future TMBH episodes can referenced as “after the greenish grayish hat”, right?
I would love if you were able to do a video on credobaptism v paedobaptism.
I think Julius Caesar added months to the calendar year to our current nine months so that the Solstice ann Equinox came in the same months every year. With less than nine months, there was no annual regularity to the change of the seasons.
That new jack swing interlude tho
This is why I came to the comments today. Thank you.
@@MattWhitmanTMBH You can always count on me to catch the stuff everyone else glazes over. Lol
Happy Woden-day! I think it's neat that we still use sexigecimal. In private I toy with a sexigecimal dating system that handily compresses and in unicode sorts 14 billion years with 6 characters. It zeros out the last four gegits to around the Holocene/Neolithic Revolution (Set to 12819ya) so the last two gegits correlate to AD/CE. I can't say I actually make use of it, but I come back to it trying to every so often.
Note to self: if I meet Matt, don't let him get behind me for a while... {g}
Awesome thumbnail!
Fascinating. I always forget what AD stands for lol. After Death sticks in my brain even though I know it's wrong.
It's mindblowing to think that we see time in single slice snapshots of seconds and years in our 3-dimensional limitation. Like 2D flatlanders would see a 3D object passing through their reality.
Christian or not, you have to wonder if God or His angels see our 4D existence in its entirety as we struggle to wrap our heads around time itself.
Hi Matt, I was wondering if there's a way to get a hold of your "article" on Nebraska television you did for your thesis I think?
Hmmm so we've been using BC, AD ubiquitously for hundreds of years and all of the sudden need to change it. For entirely good ... Reasons.
It was always confusing, until I studied Constantine. Did you know there was no year zero? How about up to year 10?
That leaves me with your question, what year is it?
This was helpful, I assumed, that since I had never heard of CE/BCE until the last few years that it was a political move. Also, I just want to mention that I too called AD After Death for an embarrassingly long time.
Very interesting. I like it! Thanks
Doesnt matter much to us. We called it masihi year derived from al masih/messiah. There are also hijria, caka, and all sorts of other calendar system that have limited use for religious and cultural purposes.
It still is the same system with anno domini and before christ.
I can see from your shelf that you have a copy of Herodotus Histories (BN edition).
Just a clarification around 10:20; the Alexandrian Christians and the Coptic Christians are one in the same, not different "sects" as it were. Coptic just means Egyptian and the Coptic Church was based In Alexandria
Also the Copts call it AM (not to be confused with Anno Mundi) Year of the Martyrs
Did you totally take a page out of Derek's playbook and change the title and thumbnail after a day?
I had real trouble connecting things in history classes until somebody told me it was
BC = Backwards Counting Dinosaurs
AD = Ascending Dates
Use whichever system you want. I don't really care. For my university work I use BCE/CE because that's the standard in academia, but I tend to say BC/AD in casual conversation. Unless that casual conversation is about something I'm working on that involves dates, and then I'm saying BCE/CE. Whatever, it's 2020.
So when do we start counting StarDate? (like in STAR TREK)
I'm watching STAR TREK ENTERPRISE on Netflix ... I'm most of the way through the second season, and it looks like they're still Gregorian!
Your video history was rather interesting.
Did Bede invent BC or was it just someone around the same time?
Although honestly, I don't really care much about all this. It's not a massive deal.
Personally, I use BC/AD because BC uses less letters than BCE; so is less of a mouthful and looks less ugly when written down (also, it's probably more commonly used in the UK).
I don't do it to sound particularly 'religious' when quoting dates, if I wanted to do that I'd probably say 'Year of our Lord' in English like they do in older writings.
Haven't watched it yet, but I use Before Christian Era and Christian Era as the expansions to these abbreviations.
Same
Instead of numbering their years, every new year the assyrians would elect a limmu, who was like the king of the new year festival, and they would name the year after him. Which meant that scribes and scholars would have to keep track of lists of names for what each year was called.
The Romans actually also counted the years with just saying the names of the Consuls of the year sometimes.
So much controversy, Matt! 😂😜
Now I want a video on Christmas versus Xmas!
But seriously, thank you for going in detail and breaking down all the tray counting systems the Western world has used over the few thousand years of history we have, very informative!
i thought we were in 5779 AH, Anno Homini, or Year of Humanity (after adam)
Even if our governments shift the year to another system like 6.404,294,205 A.B. or whatever, we can simply continue our tradition of counting from a date that's at least somewhat accurate and just as important.
Had to pause and think for awhile about what is meant by “the late 300’s BC”. Am I correct in assuming that is the years closer to 300 than 400?
yes
I admit I first got bothered by the BCE/CE thing when it started recently becoming more prominent. But looking at it either way BC/AD/BCE/CE all point to Jesus. If you ask anyone using the newer version what does this point to they have to answer Jesus anyway lol What happened at the year 1 in the CE? Another thing you realise and is that the BC/AD isn't perfect anyway, Unless Jesus's birth miraculously went for 4 or 5 years. Even when in High School years where BC/AD where used, unless you make a point of saying the abbreviated words all the time. The initials just become their own thing. It's not a perfect system and I think there are better and more worthier fights to tackle than in imperfect dating system. Thanks for the video Matt really enjoyed it and agree with your point of view. Would still enjoy it even if I didn't. But hello from Australia!
I mean, the main flipping point still centers around Christ’s birth (albeit an initial slight miscalculation but still), so it’s not like anything really changes, just the vocabulary. A rose by any other name and all that. I tend toward BC/AD because that’s what I grew up with, even in school in the 90s and 00s, but it’s just an adjustment to make as BCE/CE gains more ground.
Good video.
Pastor Matt is ready to pop 360 Ollie Kickflips with Rodney Mullen
Good. Thanks Matt. It is another example of people trying to remove God and Jesus out of history, but not worth making a big fight over.
You could have said a bit more about the Gregorian calendar as that is what we are living with today..
I'll use either depending on what I'm writing about and to who. Writing about a Christianity-related topic or to a largely Christian audience? BC/AD. Writing about a secular topic to a secular audience? BCE/CE. Taking my own notes on ancient history? Anno Lucis (4000 BC = 0 AL) or Holocene Era (10000 BC = 0 HE).
Changing the title? I wonder if the algorithm will accept your offering.
I hope so. I checked the total number of impressions, and discovered that UA-cam had put this in front of less than half the number of my total subscribers. Something is amiss.
@@MattWhitmanTMBH Hopefully this is more successful. To be honest, I saw the original a couple times in my feed without clicking on it before I noticed the TMBH logo and then clicked it. I had to pause halfway through and when I came back is when I noticed the new title.
I enjoyed the video but it's a tough one to title.
thank you for going in detail and breaking down all the tray counting systems the Western world has used over the few thousand years of history we have
as you say, in my mind this makes it a bit of a non-issue because this is just one of several ways it has been done, even by God's people...
And if you want to use it as a reason to talk about Jesus, sure, but I'd consider that someone using CE is likely to know the reason they use it and for that not to be the route to a fruitful discussion based on your disagreement... I'd like to think my stances on lots of other issues and my general enthusiasm for learning more about the subject of Jesus, history, and the Bible provide enough other useful avenues of discussion than BC/AD versus BCE/CE...
Weird question, but didn't you used to have a gold wedding ring?
I think Matt discusses that on one of his recent episodes of No Dumb Questions, the podcast he does with Destin Sandlin from Smarter Every Day. Give it a listen if you haven't yet! Disclaimer: I'm absolutely not a paid promoter for NDQ Podcast LLC. or any of it's affiliates and the views expressed in this UA-cam comment do not necessarily reflect the views of Mr. Whitman, Mr. Sandlin or the states of Montana and Alabama.
(how'd I do boss? Can I get that first pay check now? *crickets*)
@@Teuts2000 Do you happen to know which episode? I listen to the podcast but I might have missed the segment and I haven't listened to the latest episode yet.
@@greenfire61 Not sure which honestly, but iirc he says the reason was comfort. Three episodes back maybe?
The Manatee is back, it’s safe. 😉😎
It’s the same thing. But I know I’ll keep call it BC/AD out of habit.
We’re actually in the year 12019 of human era by Kurzgesagt standards 😉
wut?
By god's standards we're in roughly the year 6500.
I refer to them as AC ⚡ DC.
@gillecroisd 92 how are you not familiar with the band AC DC. They also almost always put a little lightning bolt between the AC DC
Plot twist: we use BCE and AD
Left out S.R. Do you even Tolkien, Bro?
I have issues with certain reasoning behind insisting on using BCE/CE. Primarily the justification used to ban BC/AD in favor of the alternate.
I have heard that one of the reasons is because some people may take offense to bc/ad.
My counter is to point out that, firstly, you are still going to offend those people by using Jesus Christ's existence as a reference date.
Secondly, all the Christians you are backhandedly dissing by implying that it's okay to offend Christians.
My other issue is with the claims that, somehow, BCE/CE is more scientific or more conductive to science than the use of BC/AD.
And to that, I just do a comparison of the two to point out that fallacy.
eg: BC/AD is easier to error check (both notice the error, and prevent in the first place), also more efficient to type out (like in school textbook's)
All that said, so long as I'm not being forced to use it for "reasons" (which I'm assured have nothing to do with atheists, etc)...
I'm honestly kinda agreeing with Mr. Host here, there are bigger problems that need to be figured out or pursued.
Abortion, teaching 7yrs olds cross-dressing/transgenderism/sexuality, etc... For example.
Isn’t an obvious statement that the best-seller in the history of all mankind, the year we all sign our checks no matter where we live, and the most celebrated holiday in the world is about Jesus?
And what else is Jesus than the love, forgiveness of our sins and rescue from our own demons we all so need?
And we still fight about that?
Who are we?
An interesting discussion would be to determine which is actually the year of Jesus birth. Was it 3 or 4 BC? Or was is 0 or 1 AD? My understanding is that the date of a year zero (or one) was dismissed because of a certain document from Josephus, but Josephus was known not to be very accurate about dates. So if we ignore Josephus docs, does the year zero hold?
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On a less serious note, I think its year zero, because that was the year Dr. Emet Brown used in his time machine (December 25, 0000) and who are we to argue with the great Steven Spielberg 😜
Because there's definitely never been any liberal, leftist, or communist christians before...
/s
well communist christians would be an Oxymoron due to the required contradictions of both believe systems. One is materialist the other thesis is just but one of them.
Correct, @@Delgen1951. Liberal Democrats, by definition, cannot be born-again Christians because their ideological beliefs are contradictory to Scripture.
@@Delgen1951 Not as far as the economic principals behind communism. Those actually could be Christian in origin. Take a look at what the Christians did in Jerusalem between the time of Jesus ascension and the early persecution of the church. In that time, they held all things in common (Acts 4:32). Holding things in common is much closer to communism from an economic standpoint than capitalism. As a political entity, communism and Christianity would be opposed.
Also consider BC/BCE is English and BC/AD is latin..consider that.
Welcome back, manatee!
How about how asians were counting years?