@halimak4427 maybe, right ? I'm SURE they'll be watched. They know that, at least, I would think 🤔... but we certainly aren't THEM. You'd love Hidden True Crime with Dr. John Mathias ( Criminal Forensic Psychologist & wife Lauren ( a journalist). I'm listening to this again right now. Lori's been CONVINCED on ALL ... there's more to be revealed.. guaranteed.
I tend to think that Chad had to convince her they were dark entities, and she instead of saying how can you say that, just went along with it. I think it was his idea. Don’t let his mild mannered droning monotone voice fool you. He’s evil and wanted his wife and anyone in the way gone. He wanted what he thought was “her” money. He said to many people she was loaded. When Charles the golden goose was killed he then probably through well she gets 4000 grand a month is benefits so let’s get rid of them and tell everyone we don’t want to say where they are.
@@debbie189 I'm willing to bet my last dollar the blunt trauma to that poor innocent babygilrs private area was her!!! It was too personal and brutal.. remember Tylee didn't like Chad. Why did Alex's phone go to that lake and back again on September 8th, I bet if they looked at surveilance cameras in the lodge area they'll see who went for the ride and who didn't.
I'd bet Chad was both the leader and the grave digger while Lori believed she deserved to start love and life over. Alex was their henchman. To Archibald's point though - how were Chad and Lori supposed to lead 144,000 while lounging poolside in HI?
@@justincoals3751 because the whole religion thing was a bs excuse to get people to do their dirty work for them to be free to live together with no ties …..
Lori didn’t get life insurance policies for her kids bc she wasn’t planning on anybody finding out they were dead! She was getting money for both of them without having to deal with a risky investigation. Chad wasn’t ‘so smooth’. He was extremely sloppy. They both were. His storm and her ego took over. I do agree with her lawyer about her ex friends that testified against her. They played right along and believed all kinds of craziness. That shouldn’t be forgotten.
No doubt those friends would still be on board if it weren't for the police getting involved. Idc what any of them say they all knew EXACTLY what was happening. Melanie B was also calling her kids zombies 🤔
@@river8760 apparently she showed no eye contact and refused to take it off her lawyer. Lori was happy-go-lucky the entire time even while JJ’s duck tape was shown that helped kill/bind him. Hopefully that gives reference to OP. I wouldn’t say furious as much as engaged.
It’s pretty awful, actually. As much as I know she is guilty, this defense has been so weak and tired it’s borderline suspicious. Like are they allowing the door for incompetent defense to stay open so she can immediately lodge an appeal after conviction? Because her two attorneys have sounded winded, tired, and just half hearted the whole trial. He should have ridden her mental illness, Chad love bombing her, etc etc and given a passionate closing statement about how easily a mentally ill person can be duped into participating in things they normally would not. He sort of did, but with such little energy it’s just…awful
And don’t forget the other mysterious deaths of Loris 3rd husband, His name was Joe Ryan. And the unexplained death of Loris sister over 24 years ago, her name was Stacy Cox Cope.
I think that he is treading the middle, so she can’t say he was incompetent, but she also gets found guilty. He isn’t a fan favorite, not mine.. but I believe him when he choked up. There has to be a defense attorney in every case, it doesn’t mean they are evil people. He is a public defender. The state hands him a case he can’t really say no
Oh my gosh, even her attorney can't come up with a story to defend her. What a cirus, it is such a tragic story. Charles. Tammy, Tylee and JJ are dead for what, so they could play in a fantsy world. 😪😪😪😪
I think he did his best with what he was given, he had to go out on a limb in order to create his defense. I’m sure he is ethical and would never lose on purpose. The prosecution just did a better job because they collected the evidence and the witnesses to compile a case that showed the truth of what occurred.
Been waiting all day for a guilty verdict from Dayton Ohio let's hope and pray for the guilty verdict. That's crazy that's she was upset over her attorney bashing of Chad Daybell. So much evil in her heart praying for the children and Charles
Jail has not been kind to her face. Kind of resembles her soul now. Christians should not be uttered in same dialogue with these 2 killers. Narcissistic psychopath but not Christian!
Chad's beliefs and books are "crap" and "weird", he's "pathetic", a "downgrade" from Charles, he's "nutty"...?! Man, that defense lawyer tore Chad to shreds. Lori was BIG mad. Hahaha!
I'm a lawyer in the UK who used to work in criminal defence. I'm 10 minutes into this video and I'm shocked by how rambling and directionless this defence closing speech is. As much as I am convinced that Lori Daybell was complicit in the murders if not the driving force behind them, there are arguments that he can make which he should have made by now. I have no doubt that she is going to be convicted (quite rightfully) but at this late stage, her lawyer is literally serving her with an appeal based on incompetent legal representation. It's so frustrating!!
That might very well be his strategy... did you listen to his opening statement? He spent half the time whining about how public defender get hate for defending murderer, but how it's just part of their job. I rarely comment about lawyers since, yes, everyone has the right to a fair trial and to a lawyer, and public denfender are crucial for this. But when the lawyer makes it more about himself than the victims of his client, that's bad defense. So he did it either to open up that chance for appeal or because he's unqualified.
Who gives a crap whose side are you on anyways? She needs to book handed to her. Regardless or not, he didn't do a good job, this is proof, and I'm glad he didn't do a good job. I don't know why you're so been out of shape over this.
@@dakine1984 Good point about his potential strategy. I didn't listen to his opening statement but I did find it strange when he began his closing speech with a talk on how the lawyers for both sides all get on with each other outside of the courtroom. Very weird.
@@MH-ko6hb I'm bent out of shape because, as I said in the last part of my comment, the defence lawyer's terrible advocacy could be giving this murderer a gateway to appeal against her inevitable conviction by being so incompetent, thereby dragging out the pain and suffering for her victims' families. I'm on the side of the victims and those left behind who truly loved them - I imagine they want this hellish process to be over and justice to be swiftly served.
I disagree with the majority. I think Lori's lawyer did a phenomenal job. He took the position of her critic, appealing to the jury's likely feelings of disgust with her. He's essentially arguing for an insanity plea despite that option not being on the table and shifting all of the blame to Chad. If her lawyer had tried to paint her as virtuous, he would have been met with immediate resistance from jurors. With this unsympathetic approach, he may have given Lori her best chance at a hung jury.
This lawyer has a very difficult task knowing his client are guilty. Feel for him as he is now critized for just telling it as it is and at least trying to minimizing his clients involvement. He is emotional about the kids and the choices his client made.
This lawyer sounds SHORT OF BREATH...he either is overweight or has a lung or cardiac problem. Ie. CHF, stents needed in the future or something else..he is so SHORT OF BREATH..that is a physical ailment
This was the most hideous closing argument I ever heard. This is utterly useless to defend anyone let alone 4 times murder. In a circumstantial case what you do is important, so does what you didn't do. Like never report your children missing (because you know where they are).
I don't know if you know about Casey Anthony's case, but look at her. Her child was missing for around 30 days while she was out partying and didn't report her missing.. Her mom and dad said the trunk of her car smelled like a dead body had been it. They found a lot of things, after finding her child's remains there was duck tape aroound her skull with a heart on it and even with all that, she still walked free. I'm hoping that they find her guilty, but as you see you never can tell. OJ is another exsample to.
All they have to do is confuse 1 low IQ juror...to cause reasonable doubt. Making Lori the victim displaces their anger to Chad, it was the best they could do. Btw don't be so quick to judge, it might just work.
It does feel that way. It’s hard to imagine defending someone who’s done such horrible things. But someone has to do it. We all have a right to an attorney, guilty or innocent. I always find myself wondering how anyone could defend someone like this, or like any of the other awful people in the world. But at the end of the day, someone needs to do it. The defense is just doing their job. Anger needs to be directed solely at the person(s) who committed the crime, anyone who helped them, or anyone who failed to help prevent the crime. I believe both of the defense lawyers are public defenders, so the case was assigned to them. I personally couldn’t ever be a defense attorney, but our justice system needs them in order to function. It’s hard to find a good balance because there are also those defense attorneys who really don’t care, as long as they get a win. But I’d like to think there are defense attorneys who have solid morals. If someone is charged with a crime and they are in fact innocent, having a defense attorney is such a blessing, but it’s hard when someone is so clearly guilty.
Nicole Kessinger said she did not want to be with a man who had children already, so Chris Watts killed his children and wife to be with her. Susan Smith's boyfriend did not want to be with a woman with children, so she killed her sons to be with that man. (In my opinion), Casey Anthony killed her daughter because her boyfriend said he didn't want to be with a woman who had a child. Lori was heels over head with Chad, who wanted her, but not her children, so she got rid of her children.
Hahaha! I didn’t even think of that… you’re 💯 right! When I heard him cry….my eye roll couldn’t possibly be big enough to reflect my disgust. But now, I see this man is on the verge of an emotional breakdown and I feel sorry for him.
You get what you pay for. The fact she did not report her children missing is her biggest problem. She would need to take the stand and tell the jury she loved, believed and obeyed Chad when he told her he was taking the kids off somewhere to protect them from the impending doomsday event. Lori refused to turn on Chad. However, Chad will turn on Lori in his trial. Chad will say Alex and Lori killed his wife and the children without his knowledge. The fact Chad said the children were missing but safe is his problem. Truth is Chad only told Lori what she wanted to hear. Chad lusted after her and wanted to please her. Lori was so impatient for her husband to die, Chad's wife to die and The children were in the way. So she could be with Chad.
Lori’s lawyer was so awful in his closing statement. And he completely went off Lori’s narrative, and threw Chad under the bus. I saw reports that she was crying she was so angry.
tbh I don't fault her lawyers much, they have absolutely nothing to go off on. It sounds like they're just trying to use up some time and to show that they put in some sort of effort or care to defend her. I thought they'd have something considering the length of this vid but turns out he just delivered it incredibly slow (I had to turn it to 2x)...and much of it was him rambling and trying to make nice with the jury lol.
Which is probably why her attorney didn't seem to try very hard. Her lawyers voice and words seem to me to be bored, tired and disinterested, like he isn't very enthusiastic to defend Lori because he knows she's guilty.
I’m so mad they didn’t use video on this trial. How the heck can you keep up with the trial when you’re only hearing words? I am such a visual person I couldn’t even get into this trial.
The question is not only how could Lori believe all this ridiculous and unscriptural evil stuff, but how could all of them believe it? Melanie, all of Lori's friends, the families .... they all believed this evil and never did anything to expose it or save the children.
She was dancing on the beach in Hawaii while her children were in the ground like garbage and she said she needed to move on and not be alone!!! She wasn’t looking for her kids at all so she had to know the where/what/how/when to move on with no worries
Hmm, I didn’t hear any texts from her of ANY concern for her childrens welfare. Did she not buy wedding rings before Tammy was murdered? Sorry but too many deaths surrounding this lady!
Actually……the evidence was so overwhelming…he had nothing. He knew it. Think about it….he put everything in Chads lap. She was vulnerable and he convinced her of all theses things. He was trying to keep her from becoming the one convicted of murder. I don’t think he felt he could get her off of conspiracy etc but he could blame the actual murders on chad.
Dang its pretty clear she wanted Chad in spite of Daybell being a total loser with a wife and five kids. Chad stalled his trial to see how it goes down for her. Now she's using him as her scapegoat. Amazing couple these two. BOTH ARE GUILTY F. She also had her brother killed don't forget. I highly doubt Chad was the one in cahoots with Alex.
I disagree. She might twist it in her mind to think she's a martyr or something. Let her live a nice long life without her freedom, and eventually come to the realization that she allowed herself to become brainwashed and helped to orchestrate the killing of her beautiful children, husband, Tammy and probably her brother (in my opinion) over a man. ONE MAN with a God complex. She ruined her family for a man she'll never be with or ever see again. And she'll realize it just wasn't worth it and have to die of old age in jail with that fact.
This maybe controversial but I think this defence attorney did a good job of defending the indefensible…. I believe his emotion was real because it is a truly tragic case 😢
34:30 The reason she didn't get life insurance policies on Tylee and JJ was because she planned for no one to ever discover their deaths. Money was not the reason she was attracted to Chad. She bought into all his BS and they both, were having mid-life regrets. Money was why they each just didn't get divorced. Their spouses were worth more to them dead than separated. I suspected from the beginning that the reason Lori enrolled JJ in school and got a babysitter was because she wanted to create an alibi, the semblance that she intended for JJ to live in Idaho, but transitioned out-of-state. She thought she could convince the Woodcocks that JJ was living in AZ while convincing Melanie G. JJ was living in LA. Mr. Archibald, What about JJ's service dog that Lori returned BEFORE JJ died? Sounds like planning, to me. 43:40 But did Tammy's kids actually get the $430,000 before Chad was arrested? The assumption was the life insurance payout was what Chad was living on in HI.
Im sure i read that Chad used some of the money to take his kids on a trip to Disney Land - and also transferred money into his kids accounts on the day of the garden search. “Hey kids, your mum is dead, im taking you to Disney land to make it better” 🙄🙄🤦🏼♀️
The defense tries to shift focus to Lori being the victim - that is classical narcissistic strategy to present oneself as a victim. When in fact we know that the timeline and the textmessages and all the other evidence has shown she is guilty.
Her attorney basically said she was a victim of manipulation and therefore innocent. The "he made me do it" defense is no excuse. Nope, "she went along on the ride", she was the backseat driver and therefore guilty.
I see so many comments regarding Lori and Archibald planning this bad closing purposely so as to appeal for bad representation. That is not a thing, especially with the presiding attorney in on it. Lol. Criminal Appeal solicitors are frequently contacted by clients who want to appeal because they feel that they were badly represented. The Court of Appeals have made it clear that only in extreme circumstances will they allow an appeal as a result of bad legal representation. You will need to show that not only were the legal team incompetent but this incompetence led to identifiable issues in the trial which in turn made your conviction illegal. Which, this has not happened here. It's not Archibalds fault she is indefendable!
Why would Chad and Alex kill Lori's children without her input? Where did Lori think her children were? Why did she never report them missing? The jury are going to be asking those questions.......Mr Not So Smart Lawyer.
Her lawyer tries to make it look like she didn’t know her kids were dead but she clearly said in the phone call to her sister that she did know. Summer: You were dancing on a beach with a smile on your face taking wedding photos. Lori: YEA months later. Trying to go on with life. Trying to be happy. Trying to find some kind of happiness.
Why did she lie about having two kids? Is the lawyer serious? She proved to renter's, schools, etc., that she had kids. She proved to Social Security she had kids, and kept sending her money for them. Of course she had a plan.
Just an FYI the "Stauch" case was in Colorado. I watched every single day of that trial. I'm way behind on this one . I was more interested in the L.S. trial i assume since i knew she was such a liar. I wanted to see her be punished for murdering Gannon. 😞
Archibald is definitely an entertainer. This is a valuable asset as a defense lawyer because it keeps the jurors engaged in what he is saying and they really listen to him. Additionally if he can get the jurors to like and bond with him that will then transfer to Lori.. Brilliant defense.
I can see why Lori would be furious about things her attorney said. Thats her husband he talked about and he completely mocked all involved and their weird religion. This is very satisfying to me 👏
I’m beyond curious to hear all the no doubt stunningly brilliant defence arguments all the keyboard attorneys and barristers in the comments would have presented if they were in Archibald’s shoes. He did his job well, considering what his role is, what the burden of proof is and what he had to work with.
So, basically the defense throws Chad under the bus to save Lori. According to some press, she was furious about the statements her attorney made and yet the only murmur from her really was to leave the trial so she would not be present as they discussed how they found the remains of JJ and Tylee. Wonder if Chad's lawyer is in there listening because he apparently is handing Chad transcripts of everything.
Yes, he is, but not in some clandestine manner. Chad's attorney is there and will share it all with Chad so that they can better prepare for his defense. This is to be expected.
Hahaha I’m so sorry, but I loved this lawyer 😁😁 Not only did he make me laugh a few times, but he absolutely put the nail in Lori’s coffin! You go, Glen Coco!!
It only takes 1 juror to throw a monkey wrench into it if they think that Lori was enamored with Chad and believed what he was saying. So on that note the defense closing arguments on people following charismatic religious leaders is spot on.
her attorney really just roasted her the entire time huh?
Yeeeeess😂
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Yeah 😂😂
isn't that wonderful?
It was hilarious! I laughed like 4 separate times 😂 I love this guy
She wasn’t furious that she, Chad, and her brother conspired to kill her children, but she was furious with her attorney.
That woman, Chad and also her brother and niece, plus probably many other ppl, surrounding tht cult, have totally sick, twisted minds. Just horrible!
Arrest melanie Gibb and melani p. Zulema
@halimak4427 maybe, right ? I'm SURE they'll be watched. They know that, at least, I would think 🤔... but we certainly aren't THEM. You'd love Hidden True Crime with Dr. John Mathias ( Criminal Forensic Psychologist & wife Lauren ( a journalist). I'm listening to this again right now. Lori's been CONVINCED on ALL ... there's more to be revealed.. guaranteed.
Holy sheet! Her defence is another prosecution.😂
Not sure WHICH one did the actual killing of the children, but don't believe they would have been killed without Lori's urging.
She is just as guilty and part of Alex killing Charles
I tend to think that Chad had to convince her they were dark entities, and she instead of saying how can you say that, just went along with it. I think it was his idea. Don’t let his mild mannered droning monotone voice fool you. He’s evil and wanted his wife and anyone in the way gone. He wanted what he thought was “her” money. He said to many people she was loaded. When Charles the golden goose was killed he then probably through well she gets 4000 grand a month is benefits so let’s get rid of them and tell everyone we don’t want to say where they are.
@@debbie189 I'm willing to bet my last dollar the blunt trauma to that poor innocent babygilrs private area was her!!! It was too personal and brutal.. remember Tylee didn't like Chad. Why did Alex's phone go to that lake and back again on September 8th, I bet if they looked at surveilance cameras in the lodge area they'll see who went for the ride and who didn't.
I'd bet Chad was both the leader and the grave digger while Lori believed she deserved to start love and life over. Alex was their henchman.
To Archibald's point though - how were Chad and Lori supposed to lead 144,000 while lounging poolside in HI?
@@justincoals3751 because the whole religion thing was a bs excuse to get people to do their dirty work for them to be free to live together with no ties …..
WOW! Her lawyer brought the nails, hammer, AND her coffin to his “closing arguments”! 😂
Its fantastic
That was my thought as well. Might as well have been dangling a rope for her noose!
you kind of ask yourself what side is he on?
This truly is one of the worst defense closing arguments I have ever heard;and I have followed a lot of trials over the past 45 years.
@@gr122 hrs a great prisecuter for nailing Chad!
Lori didn’t get life insurance policies for her kids bc she wasn’t planning on anybody finding out they were dead! She was getting money for both of them without having to deal with a risky investigation.
Chad wasn’t ‘so smooth’. He was extremely sloppy. They both were. His storm and her ego took over.
I do agree with her lawyer about her ex friends that testified against her. They played right along and believed all kinds of craziness. That shouldn’t be forgotten.
No doubt those friends would still be on board if it weren't for the police getting involved. Idc what any of them say they all knew EXACTLY what was happening. Melanie B was also calling her kids zombies 🤔
Chad Daybell is the literal opposite of smooth... He looks like a potato and he evidently has the brain of a potato. 😭😭
"Lori didn’t get life insurance policies for her kids bc she wasn’t planning on anybody finding out they were dead!"
I just posted this same idea.
What's happens when you think with your private parts
@@batchelerjr excactly and and sickening greediness too😮
She was FURIOUS with her attorneys for this. The most emotion she's showed the entire trial.
How did you know this?
@@river8760 I heard it reported from the press.
I heard it from a reporter as well
@@river8760 apparently she showed no eye contact and refused to take it off her lawyer. Lori was happy-go-lucky the entire time even while JJ’s duck tape was shown that helped kill/bind him. Hopefully that gives reference to OP. I wouldn’t say furious as much as engaged.
@@river8760it’s all over the reports.
This was a good closing argument. It was all he could do for his client because she's guilty and insane.
True
And I am also sure that she did made their job even more difficult.
Not insane….. insanity will get her a sentence in a plush psych hospital.
It’s pretty awful, actually. As much as I know she is guilty, this defense has been so weak and tired it’s borderline suspicious. Like are they allowing the door for incompetent defense to stay open so she can immediately lodge an appeal after conviction? Because her two attorneys have sounded winded, tired, and just half hearted the whole trial.
He should have ridden her mental illness, Chad love bombing her, etc etc and given a passionate closing statement about how easily a mentally ill person can be duped into participating in things they normally would not. He sort of did, but with such little energy it’s just…awful
@@Tsumami__ I disagree.
This is like the closing argument version of trying to meet the word count.
He double spaced this for sure! Wiiiiide margins. ✍️
16 pt font size 😂
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You win 🤣
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Justice for jj tylee Charles and Tammy ❤
Amen ❤
And don’t forget the other mysterious deaths of Loris 3rd husband, His name was Joe Ryan. And the unexplained death of Loris sister over 24 years ago, her name was Stacy Cox Cope.
@@legally_ellecee, I thought that Stacy died from complications from diabetes .
The way her lawyer just rattled off all those marriages right off the bat...
Right?! Meet Lori. She's a piece of 💩!
I think that he is treading the middle, so she can’t say he was incompetent, but she also gets found guilty. He isn’t a fan favorite, not mine.. but I believe him when he choked up. There has to be a defense attorney in every case, it doesn’t mean they are evil people. He is a public defender. The state hands him a case he can’t really say no
Oh my gosh, even her attorney can't come up with a story to defend her. What a cirus, it is such a tragic story. Charles. Tammy, Tylee and JJ are dead for what, so they could play in a fantsy world. 😪😪😪😪
Yeah, I kind of feel bad for him. After all of those text messages, how can anyone defend that?
In her case, her lawyer blames Chad and Chad's lawyer will blame Lori and Alex.
He is so bad. What is he trying to pull?
He’s a good lawyer because his job is to fight for you
Of course! We all knew this would happen! Pass the blame onto others!
@@Sam16mee He's defending his client, as required by the constitution.
@@Sam16mee😊😊😊😊
GUILTY!!!!
I would have loved to see Lori’s face when her attorney dogged Chads looks so bad! That was awesome. Chad looks like a life size thumb
😂😂😂😂😂😂 omg I can see it- I was gonna say he looks like Beaves from beaves and buttheads, but a life size thumb is spot on😂😂😂😂
A life size thumb 😂😂😂😂 thats great. You win the internet today 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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Funniest closing by defense I've ever heard! The sarcasm is priceless!
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Her lawyer knows she is guilty and he just wants to see her sent away for life.
Absolutely!!!
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He probably knew from start she was guilty but hey it wanted paying.
I think he did his best with what he was given, he had to go out on a limb in order to create his defense. I’m sure he is ethical and would never lose on purpose. The prosecution just did a better job because they collected the evidence and the witnesses to compile a case that showed the truth of what occurred.
@@halimak625 He's a court-appointed public defender, he gets paid to scale and he has to defend her.
We all know she was the master mind. She let her true colors show. Praying 🙏 for Guilty.
Guilty
Been waiting all day for a guilty verdict from Dayton Ohio let's hope and pray for the guilty verdict. That's crazy that's she was upset over her attorney bashing of Chad Daybell. So much evil in her heart praying for the children and Charles
I might not believe in demons, but I still know evil when I see it.
Justice for JJ and Tylee!
And Tammy&Charles!
Read PEOPLE OF THE LIE book
A Christian psychologist explains how people of the lie create problems at different levels, and mayor problems...
@@gianellanovack3408 ‘Christian’ and psychologist shouldn’t ever be put in the same sentence!
Jail has not been kind to her face. Kind of resembles her soul now. Christians should not be uttered in same dialogue with these 2 killers. Narcissistic psychopath but not Christian!
How do you see evil if you don't believe a little contradiction eeh.
Chad's beliefs and books are "crap" and "weird", he's "pathetic", a "downgrade" from Charles, he's "nutty"...?! Man, that defense lawyer tore Chad to shreds. Lori was BIG mad. Hahaha!
I'm a lawyer in the UK who used to work in criminal defence. I'm 10 minutes into this video and I'm shocked by how rambling and directionless this defence closing speech is. As much as I am convinced that Lori Daybell was complicit in the murders if not the driving force behind them, there are arguments that he can make which he should have made by now. I have no doubt that she is going to be convicted (quite rightfully) but at this late stage, her lawyer is literally serving her with an appeal based on incompetent legal representation. It's so frustrating!!
That might very well be his strategy... did you listen to his opening statement? He spent half the time whining about how public defender get hate for defending murderer, but how it's just part of their job.
I rarely comment about lawyers since, yes, everyone has the right to a fair trial and to a lawyer, and public denfender are crucial for this. But when the lawyer makes it more about himself than the victims of his client, that's bad defense. So he did it either to open up that chance for appeal or because he's unqualified.
Who gives a crap whose side are you on anyways? She needs to book handed to her. Regardless or not, he didn't do a good job, this is proof, and I'm glad he didn't do a good job. I don't know why you're so been out of shape over this.
@@dakine1984 Good point about his potential strategy. I didn't listen to his opening statement but I did find it strange when he began his closing speech with a talk on how the lawyers for both sides all get on with each other outside of the courtroom. Very weird.
@@MH-ko6hb I'm bent out of shape because, as I said in the last part of my comment, the defence lawyer's terrible advocacy could be giving this murderer a gateway to appeal against her inevitable conviction by being so incompetent, thereby dragging out the pain and suffering for her victims' families. I'm on the side of the victims and those left behind who truly loved them - I imagine they want this hellish process to be over and justice to be swiftly served.
@@MH-ko6hb bc it could be an issue for the verdict to be overturned on appeal.
I disagree with the majority. I think Lori's lawyer did a phenomenal job. He took the position of her critic, appealing to the jury's likely feelings of disgust with her. He's essentially arguing for an insanity plea despite that option not being on the table and shifting all of the blame to Chad. If her lawyer had tried to paint her as virtuous, he would have been met with immediate resistance from jurors. With this unsympathetic approach, he may have given Lori her best chance at a hung jury.
Lori should Thank God for getting the Lawyer she deserves 🤷🏼♀️.
This lawyer has a very difficult task knowing his client are guilty. Feel for him as he is now critized for just telling it as it is and at least trying to minimizing his clients involvement. He is emotional about the kids and the choices his client made.
Sympathy is the most benign emotion that lawyer can hope to elicit from this jury right. There is no defense if you can't argue insanity.
OMG - this dude sounds like hes doing a closing for the prosecution!! 😂
This lawyer sounds SHORT OF BREATH...he either is overweight or has a lung or cardiac problem. Ie. CHF, stents needed in the future or something else..he is so SHORT OF BREATH..that is a physical ailment
If I were him, I be leaning toward the prosecution too! I wonder if he can't stomach the thought of her going free...
@@gianellanovack3408He's an older man.
This was the most hideous closing argument I ever heard. This is utterly useless to defend anyone let alone 4 times murder.
In a circumstantial case what you do is important, so does what you didn't do.
Like never report your children missing (because you know where they are).
I really think she still believes she's on some special mission and she just wants to protect Chad.
I don't know if you know about Casey Anthony's case, but look at her. Her child was missing for around 30 days while she was out partying and didn't report her missing.. Her mom and dad said the trunk of her car smelled like a dead body had been it. They found a lot of things, after finding her child's remains there was duck tape aroound her skull with a heart on it and even with all that, she still walked free. I'm hoping that they find her guilty, but as you see you never can tell. OJ is another exsample to.
Agree the most inept disjointed inarticulate arguements by that lawyer - Does he have sort of COPD emphysema or something ?
All they have to do is confuse 1 low IQ juror...to cause reasonable doubt. Making Lori the victim displaces their anger to Chad, it was the best they could do. Btw don't be so quick to judge, it might just work.
It does feel that way. It’s hard to imagine defending someone who’s done such horrible things. But someone has to do it. We all have a right to an attorney, guilty or innocent. I always find myself wondering how anyone could defend someone like this, or like any of the other awful people in the world. But at the end of the day, someone needs to do it. The defense is just doing their job. Anger needs to be directed solely at the person(s) who committed the crime, anyone who helped them, or anyone who failed to help prevent the crime. I believe both of the defense lawyers are public defenders, so the case was assigned to them. I personally couldn’t ever be a defense attorney, but our justice system needs them in order to function. It’s hard to find a good balance because there are also those defense attorneys who really don’t care, as long as they get a win. But I’d like to think there are defense attorneys who have solid morals. If someone is charged with a crime and they are in fact innocent, having a defense attorney is such a blessing, but it’s hard when someone is so clearly guilty.
Her lawyer is her worst enemy
Isn’t it great?!
@@KellyDFlynn 🤣🤣 yes! sounds more like he is on the prosecution's side.
Naa Chad and lust were her worst enemy
Lori is her own worst enemy!!!
Nicole Kessinger said she did not want to be with a man who had children already, so Chris Watts killed his children and wife to be with her.
Susan Smith's boyfriend did not want to be with a woman with children, so she killed her sons to be with that man.
(In my opinion), Casey Anthony killed her daughter because her boyfriend said he didn't want to be with a woman who had a child.
Lori was heels over head with Chad, who wanted her, but not her children, so she got rid of her children.
Its so frightening isnt it
Diane Downs did the same thing too.
He cried twice during his closing?! I was not expecting that. I think this guy is so overwhelmed and tired.
Hahaha! I didn’t even think of that… you’re 💯 right! When I heard him cry….my eye roll couldn’t possibly be big enough to reflect my disgust. But now, I see this man is on the verge of an emotional breakdown and I feel sorry for him.
I bet the verdict will be read before the weekend. Horrible closing from Daybell's attorney.
16:09 Did he infer that Chad was ugly? I had to rewind 😂
😂😂😂 he called him a trade down lol
Please tell me what number that was so I can rewind
@@Jasnnahyou can click on the time stamp, but if it doesn't work go to around 16:09
Lmfao 😂 I listened to that part I was like wtf ahaaaa
Well! Yes he definitely is
Sheeesh Lori aged 20 years. Now she looks like a zombie. Justice for Charles , Tyler, and Jj ❤❤❤
I freaking LOVE THIS LAWYER
You get what you pay for. The fact she did not report her children missing is her biggest problem. She would need to take the stand and tell the jury she loved, believed and obeyed Chad when he told her he was taking the kids off somewhere to protect them from the impending doomsday event. Lori refused to turn on Chad. However, Chad will turn on Lori in his trial. Chad will say Alex and Lori killed his wife and the children without his knowledge. The fact Chad said the children were missing but safe is his problem. Truth is Chad only told Lori what she wanted to hear. Chad lusted after her and wanted to please her. Lori was so impatient for her husband to die, Chad's wife to die and The children were in the way. So she could be with Chad.
And yet she didn’t call the police. She acting everything was great. Alex did what she wanted.
Lori’s lawyer was so awful in his closing statement. And he completely went off Lori’s narrative, and threw Chad under the bus. I saw reports that she was crying she was so angry.
Great. I like to hear this disgusting scrag finally was upset. Pics of her own slaughtered children couldn't get this evil wreck to cry.
He’s absolutely terrible. Which is excellent! She deserves nothing more than the worst lawyers.
tbh I don't fault her lawyers much, they have absolutely nothing to go off on. It sounds like they're just trying to use up some time and to show that they put in some sort of effort or care to defend her. I thought they'd have something considering the length of this vid but turns out he just delivered it incredibly slow (I had to turn it to 2x)...and much of it was him rambling and trying to make nice with the jury lol.
If he has a moral compass, he did it on purpose. I wonder if it was deliberate...
@@river8760 i love it 😂
I do feel bad for her attorney it must be extremely hard to represent evil.
Which is probably why her attorney didn't seem to try very hard. Her lawyers voice and words seem to me to be bored, tired and disinterested, like he isn't very enthusiastic to defend Lori because he knows she's guilty.
“ that is quite pick up line from Chad Dayble and pretty scary pick up line” this lawyer is funny
what was Chad's pickup line to Lori Vallow ?
@@lorileary4432 That she was a Goddess incarnate LOL
This guy sounds like he's rambling nonsense. Making it up as he goes along.
A bit like Chad & Lori’s religious beliefs
Guilty ⚖️ Guilty ⚖️ Guilty ⚖️
I’m so mad they didn’t use video on this trial. How the heck can you keep up with the trial when you’re only hearing words? I am such a visual person I couldn’t even get into this trial.
The question is not only how could Lori believe all this ridiculous and unscriptural evil stuff, but how could all of them believe it? Melanie, all of Lori's friends, the families .... they all believed this evil and never did anything to expose it or save the children.
That is the million dollar question. How do cults manage to totally suck their followers in??
She was dancing on the beach in Hawaii while her children were in the ground like garbage and she said she needed to move on and not be alone!!! She wasn’t looking for her kids at all so she had to know the where/what/how/when to move on with no worries
Hmm, I didn’t hear any texts from her of ANY concern for her childrens welfare. Did she not buy wedding rings before Tammy was murdered? Sorry but too many deaths surrounding this lady!
But wings with charles credit card.
Actually……the evidence was so overwhelming…he had nothing. He knew it. Think about it….he put everything in Chads lap. She was vulnerable and he convinced her of all theses things. He was trying to keep her from becoming the one convicted of murder. I don’t think he felt he could get her off of conspiracy etc but he could blame the actual murders on chad.
He is cracking me up😂😂😂😂😂
Yes it does she taught she was going to get the life insurance but he was smart and change it with out her knowing
She wouldve killed.him if.she knew he.was.changig the policy again.
Dang its pretty clear she wanted Chad in spite of Daybell being a total loser with a wife and five kids.
Chad stalled his trial to see how it goes down for her. Now she's using him as her scapegoat. Amazing couple these two. BOTH ARE GUILTY F.
She also had her brother killed don't forget. I highly doubt Chad was the one in cahoots with Alex.
I believe Chad Daybell's lawyer asked for the trials to be separated? Well, it backfired spectacularly on him, and her. Good. 😭🙏
I wish this killer could get the death penalty
I disagree. She might twist it in her mind to think she's a martyr or something. Let her live a nice long life without her freedom, and eventually come to the realization that she allowed herself to become brainwashed and helped to orchestrate the killing of her beautiful children, husband, Tammy and probably her brother (in my opinion) over a man. ONE MAN with a God complex. She ruined her family for a man she'll never be with or ever see again. And she'll realize it just wasn't worth it and have to die of old age in jail with that fact.
I wonder if her attorney is "allowed" to say things that she doesnt agree with in her defense....
This maybe controversial but I think this defence attorney did a good job of defending the indefensible…. I believe his emotion was real because it is a truly tragic case 😢
I agree
@@komplizia So do I , there is no possible defense for 6 deaths. The words female Serial Killer come to mind.
22:30 Oh geeezzz her lawyer says don't trust me! And goes on to say lori didn't know the kids were buried at Chad's 🤦🏻♀️ this guy lol
Literally no defense case prevented but this guy is going to try to pin it all on Chad?
I kept forgetting the still picture they have up of Lori is a still picture. I was thinking why does Lori have the same smirk on her face!
What the heck am I listening to 🙄🫠
This lawyer is questionable! Crazy closing arguments by him!
34:30 The reason she didn't get life insurance policies on Tylee and JJ was because she planned for no one to ever discover their deaths.
Money was not the reason she was attracted to Chad. She bought into all his BS and they both, were having mid-life regrets. Money was why they each just didn't get divorced. Their spouses were worth more to them dead than separated.
I suspected from the beginning that the reason Lori enrolled JJ in school and got a babysitter was because she wanted to create an alibi, the semblance that she intended for JJ to live in Idaho, but transitioned out-of-state. She thought she could convince the Woodcocks that JJ was living in AZ while convincing Melanie G. JJ was living in LA.
Mr. Archibald, What about JJ's service dog that Lori returned BEFORE JJ died? Sounds like planning, to me.
43:40 But did Tammy's kids actually get the $430,000 before Chad was arrested? The assumption was the life insurance payout was what Chad was living on in HI.
Im sure i read that Chad used some of the money to take his kids on a trip to Disney Land - and also transferred money into his kids accounts on the day of the garden search. “Hey kids, your mum is dead, im taking you to Disney land to make it better” 🙄🙄🤦🏼♀️
Why does nothing relating to this trial have subtitles. Dang some of us are deaf
You need to set up UA-cam
Click on the transcript under more Nevermind it’s not there for live stream
Guilty.., last 30-40
Yrs of her life in prison. She’s not leading the
140,000
Shes leading the 145,000 jailbirds. Do.u think theyll.let her continue to preach what shes been preaching??
The defense tries to shift focus to Lori being the victim - that is classical narcissistic strategy to present oneself as a victim. When in fact we know that the timeline and the textmessages and all the other evidence has shown she is guilty.
“ Chad was lead by the storm“ 😂 😂
Her attorney basically said she was a victim of manipulation and therefore innocent. The "he made me do it" defense is no excuse. Nope, "she went along on the ride", she was the backseat driver and therefore guilty.
I see so many comments regarding Lori and Archibald planning this bad closing purposely so as to appeal for bad representation. That is not a thing, especially with the presiding attorney in on it. Lol.
Criminal Appeal solicitors are frequently contacted by clients who want to appeal because they feel that they were badly represented.
The Court of Appeals have made it clear that only in extreme circumstances will they allow an appeal as a result of bad legal representation.
You will need to show that not only were the legal team incompetent but this incompetence led to identifiable issues in the trial which in turn made your conviction illegal.
Which, this has not happened here. It's not Archibalds fault she is indefendable!
He is a shocking speaker.
Why would Chad and Alex kill Lori's children without her input? Where did Lori think her children were? Why did she never report them missing? The jury are going to be asking those questions.......Mr Not So Smart Lawyer.
The defense attorney’s closing argument is pitiful. Wow. It’s just horrible…
I really like his voice... I think he did an excellent job with what he had to work with
Is he crying?
Yeah he didn’t have much to go on so he did a good job with what he had 👀
SLAM--DUNK--GUILTY!!!. Thank you defence! ❤️
Wow he is the worst lawyer. He wants her to fail. Dont blame him
We are all tired. We just want justice to be served. In Arizona as well for Charles.
I actually thought the defence was really good. His job is to save her life, not stroke her ego.
seems he did, DP was not in the table for her as it is for Chad.
Guilty, well done to the jury, watching this trial from across the pond 🇬🇧
Her lawyer tries to make it look like she didn’t know her kids were dead but she clearly said in the phone call to her sister that she did know.
Summer: You were dancing on a beach with a smile on your face taking wedding photos.
Lori: YEA months later. Trying to go on with life. Trying to be happy. Trying to find some kind of happiness.
This guy is so bad, I wonder if he’s trying to give her a reason to get a retrial.
retrial
worst closing argument ever.
Why did she lie about having two kids? Is the lawyer serious? She proved to renter's, schools, etc., that she had kids. She proved to Social Security she had kids, and kept sending her money for them. Of course she had a plan.
She's only 49 ? Wow she looks older than me and I'm 61 ! I thought she was much older !
Its god punishing her by taking away the thing she finds most important - her looks
@@sonnieM 👍
Can't wait for Chad's trial and his conviction so I can write "Chad Daybell sentenced to life without the possibility of parole. Fun times"
Just an FYI the "Stauch" case was in Colorado. I watched every single day of that trial. I'm way behind on this one . I was more interested in the L.S. trial i assume since i knew she was such a liar. I wanted to see her be punished for murdering Gannon. 😞
Lori was the ring master for everything. She was large and in charge. Nobody told her what to do. She ran the show.
She gets “evil eye glares” bc she lacks compassion and remorse. She murdered her children and others and is seen as an evil person.
Thank God Charles changed his beneficiary to Kay when he did.
Can you imagine having to sit next to this poor boring man at a boring work banquet, just listening to him ramble along……
I think her lawyer hits the hootch 🤭🤫
Haahaha, if he didn't before, he sure will now!😂
Archibald is definitely an entertainer. This is a valuable asset as a defense lawyer because it keeps the jurors engaged in what he is saying and they really listen to him. Additionally if he can get the jurors to like and bond with him that will then transfer to Lori..
Brilliant defense.
She did it for the insurance money and thank god she didn't get it
Lori's lawyer was great
She is guilty, but he gave her the best defense possible.
Her lawyer is ready to join the 144.000 🤣🤣🤣
I can see why Lori would be furious about things her attorney said. Thats her husband he talked about and he completely mocked all involved and their weird religion. This is very satisfying to me 👏
I’m beyond curious to hear all the no doubt stunningly brilliant defence arguments all the keyboard attorneys and barristers in the comments would have presented if they were in Archibald’s shoes. He did his job well, considering what his role is, what the burden of proof is and what he had to work with.
Throughout his entire closing argument he just sounded like he had a big lunch that didn't agree with him. That's the only thing he convinced me of.
So, basically the defense throws Chad under the bus to save Lori. According to some press, she was furious about the statements her attorney made and yet the only murmur from her really was to leave the trial so she would not be present as they discussed how they found the remains of JJ and Tylee. Wonder if Chad's lawyer is in there listening because he apparently is handing Chad transcripts of everything.
Yes, he is, but not in some clandestine manner. Chad's attorney is there and will share it all with Chad so that they can better prepare for his defense. This is to be expected.
All I'm hearing are false interpretations of the facts. I'm sure this man knows that his client is guilty.
Hahaha I’m so sorry, but I loved this lawyer 😁😁 Not only did he make me laugh a few times, but he absolutely put the nail in Lori’s coffin! You go, Glen Coco!!
This guy! Goodness what is his deal?
In my opinion it takes a charismatic and likeable lawyer to help an unlikeable defendant like this get off.
Casey Anthony, Oj Simpson, etc
It was the insurance money from Charles she did not get
It only takes 1 juror to throw a monkey wrench into it if they think that Lori was enamored with Chad and believed what he was saying. So on that note the defense closing arguments on people following charismatic religious leaders is spot on.
I cant believed the lawyer mentioned the storm!!