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Pedro Martinez on Saving Your Pitching Elbow
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- Опубліковано 7 кві 2015
- On MLB Tonight, Pedro Martinez joins the guys in Studio 42 to show you how to eliminate and reduce the stress of a pitchers elbow. Using proper pitching and body mechanics can help significantly.
A HoF stud for two decades who never had any elbow problems. LISTEN TO THIS MAN, YOUNG PITCHERS!
He had shoulder issues
@@josephchim9584 almost every pitcher will have shoulder problem just like almost every soccer player tends to have sooner or later knee acl problem or tennis player shoulder or wrist problem. Quaterbacks too. It comes withbthe sport. What he's recommending is to not bulk up too much and to develop arm streght before developing speed. This is true for tennis players and quaterbacks too.
Look at tom brady he works out as mucb as he streches and he is a 42 yeard old QB.
Look at nadal in tennis. Probably the most swole player im the tour but also having surgeries left and right.
Being the strongest doesnt help you be durable in any sport
Agreed
@@josephchim9584 Pretty much like every other older pitchers. Shoulder issues were more common, especially when workloads were not as precisely managed. They are replaced by elbow issues now.
Pedro's arm was falling off by age 32. NOT THE BEST GUY to go to for advice on mechanics.
I am not baseball player but when Pedro talks you listen
Yup. And i'm a Yanks fan.
Agreed. Yankees fan as well, but Pedro knows his stuff.
Yankee fan here. I don't know why I never liked him back in the days but he has garnered my respect with his baseball iq.
That’s what usually happens when someone is talking. Dumb ass comment
that applies to any Pedro
I just googled Tommy Koehler and he retired because of injuries... Pedro was prophetic about this
Koehler had shoulder problems. Not elbow problems.
@@frankpalancio8471 still an arm injury. Still ended his career. Still happened because of bad mechanics
@@whatdagoof6559 Pedro had it wrong, he was focusing on the elbow, not the shoulder. It was a poor analysis. Koehler exaggerated the pronation in his delivery, that's what messed up his shoulder.
@@frankpalancio8471 curious about that. I’ve never heard about over pronation causing injury. Cann you elaborate? My son looks like he pronates early. He’s been having pain in the lower bicep, pain he’s never had before. I thought the analysis was off as well.
@@TheRoadLessChosen if you pronate your arm a lot, where do you feel the strain? In the forearm and the front of the shoulder. When the front of the shoulder is sore, it's usually a strained AC or Anterior capsule.Koehler had a severe sprain of the AC and soon retired after this injury. When throwing, it's best not to supinate or pronate your arm too much. If you can get movement on the ball without that kind of arm action, your chances of avoiding injury increases a lot.
Haha Pedro’s like I never bench pressed but I could still throw it 98mph at your head fam.. what a legend
When you really think about it... He was just a unicorn. He still had a physical gift that allowed him to hit mid 90s during his prime... But you can tell he spent so much time in the bullpen honing his mechanics & craft and understood his body better than anyone else. This was also a testament to when he was older and became a more finesse type pitcher who could still get people out.
@@LivinhItUp mechanics changed degrom, from throwing 93-94 and a decent curve. to 97-102 with a nasty 93 mph slider, cutter, and sinker. Just by arm angle and keeping his front side closed until its time to explode.
This man knows his stuff go Pedro
Jae Black You don't become a future HOFer if you don't.
Yeah but avoiding injuries wasn't Pedro's strong suit
Jae Black best pitcher to do it
@@krakenmetzger usually rotator cuff & shoulder were his problems. Don't forget he was skinny guy throwing too hard...He wasn't expected to have a career that long.
@@dankburrito4219 I'm pretty sure he was already in the hall by the time your wrote this message
My 14 yr old throws hard and was recently complaining about pain around the elbow area. I went back and looked at videos of his past pitching and he's making the same exact mistake that Pedro is pointing out in this video. Thank You Pedro for this excellent advice and will fix this asap.
Did it help to stay 45 degrees?
I looked up that pitcher. Tom
Koehler retired in in 2020 due to injuries after not playing since 2017. Literally 2 years after Pedro made this comment
Wow that's actually crazy
That sucks
Koehler had shoulder injuries that forced him to retire. Pedro was talking about the elbow.
@@frankpalancio8471same shit bro
Pedro is advising the exact opposite of what my high school coach demanded I do, and my arm was destroyed before my junior year.
no offense but there is a reason Pedro is a hall of famer and your coach is NOT
Sorry to hear that, J Tommy :(
Most school coaches have no idea what they're talking about tbh
That sucks man.
@@doz222 Definitely no offense taken. I had proper mechanics prior but he insisted I step out far left and open early. Not only did it put terrible stress on my whole arm, it also took away my velocity because it reduced the effectiveness of my lower body. But who knew back then (early 90s)? I trusted he knew what he was talking about...and he didn't.
Pedro is the man you guys need to upload the video of him breaking down how batters let you know where they want the ball pitched with their bat wag before the pitch. That blew my mind
+joeboow80 Do you have a link for the Pedro video? I'd be interested in how he breaks it down...
m.mlb.com/video/v96483283/martinez-and-reynolds-break-down-the-bat-waggle
+tkcamper
Thanks
ahahaha He's completely right!
Thank you.
Pedro is the best analyst I've ever seen in any sport. He really knows baseball .
+sean J the Dodgers taught him everything he knows
Sal Garcia ...and then traded him for Delino Deshields!
Sean Yes Dodgers taught him everything, Sandy Koufax, Don Sutton taught him
Pedro hit the nail right on the head....You can't ignore strengthening the little muscles that protect the ligaments which help you throw the baseball.
Wouldn't think twice about taking Pedro's advice on this stuff
JCM718 i would
@@teejay3698 well thats why you only get 9 upvotes
@@teejay3698 are you a HOF?
@@teejay3698 - look up Tom
Koehler - retired due to arm injuries 2 years after Pedro made these remarks, lol
My gosh Pedro is literally speaking so much truth, they are gonna kick him off the air!!!
Riiight 😂
Pedro dropping knowledge!
He truly is a master
Pedro gracias, there are so many bad teachers out there, you are a great help, I have a 12 year old son , this is going to help him a lot.
How is your son doing now?
Mostly positive comments here of course but there is a sprinkling of geniuses that will confidently question what he is saying. He was a small guy that threw 98 and never had these injuries and is now in the HOF. Maybe he knows more than you about this.
Pedro was a great pitcher, but once again, when ex-players want to give mechanics lessons they say what is theoretically correct but in no case what they did. In case of Pedro, he would throw with a poor mechanic for his elbow, look for images of Pedro and they will see that his elbow is in the same position as Tom Koehler. Council boys, an image speaks more than a thousand words, do not do what they say, do what they did.
cbncrazy
I think you're thinking of arm slot. Because you dont throw a curveball or slider in the same arm slot as a fastball obviously.
But Pedro's mechanics for his size were completely efficient. He used as much legs and torso as anyone. Look at how big his follow through were when he really clocked it with a fastball. He would spin damn near all the way to first base.
I'm pretty sure his arm slot is the same on his curve/slider - its called tunneling of the pitch. It is slightly different yes due to the arm not extending fully on breaking pitches but its not something you should be conscious of. I've seen pitchers with great stuff get lit up because they cannot tunnel their pitches effectively.
Or maybe he had genetic predispositions that allowed him to throw the way he did for so many years without injury... One person's anecdote doesn't mean shit. HOF or not...
Not necessarily true. Your claim is essentially anecdotal. It's like saying "smoking isn't bad for you, my grandmother smoked and lived 95 years".
Pedro would be an amazing little league coach, just saying.
Hell he would be an amazing major league coach.
wu jimmy he would but I think we should start doing a lot more of what Russia does and have the best coaches in the country train the kids.
He would be a great pitching coach, but, the money won't be there.
Ernesto Hendrix hmmm interesting
Disrespectful.
Pedro killing it. Glad to see him end up with this show. Thanks for the amazing pitching years you gave baseball.
Peter Gammons once said that Perdo is one of the most intelligent people he has ever met. Not only in baseball, but in ANY walk of life.
Yup, he has a genius IQ.
Agree.
I love how people always have something good to say about Pedro 🙏🏾🇩🇴💪🏾
Pedro Martinez the only guy that can play baseball wearing a suit
Buttoned up lol
I hope everyone understands what Pedro was able to accomplish physically and what an absolute master he was. He’s 5’9” and thew a 98 mph fastball 😳. In addition he painted corners with it and had filthy breaking stuff. This man is an absolute legend. This all admitted by me a die hard Yankees fan.
hurts my elbow just looking at it
William Kukis It hasn’t hurt Koehler though. The analysis was sort of off tbh. Pedro is a great baseball mind but with reference to biomechanics he isn’t the best in the business.
Have the same arm motion and can confirm it hurts
@@aidana3761 How are you an expert?
Aidan A well he obviously wasn’t wrong
@@aidana3761 sorry but Koehler retired this year after surgery. HOFer got his HOF brain huh.
The yankee fan in me of course doesn’t want to like Pedro, but I really do like listening to him. He does an amazing job explaining mechanics, different pitch types, and you can see his genuine passion for the game. I really do respect the guy.
so many coaches not knowing how to teach kids the proper way to pitch hell my men's league coach was like you're not opening up I just told him that's how you end up with elbow and shoulder problems he then said look at pro pitcher told him find me 5 pro pitcher that flings open like Pedro demonstrated and bring it to my attention that was 2 months ago no word still lol
The foot direction is something I never wouldn't thought of. I always was taught to land with my foot pointed at my target when I was younger. As I grew, coaches didn't talk about that very much which caused me to land at a 45 like he said, and I've never had any arm problems as a result, yet I'm even more accurate.
thank you pedro.
1:02 - “I haven’t seen where that pitch finishes, but I guarantee you it’s high”.
Pedro knows a lot about anatomy and mechanics. He really has a wealth of knowledge on the science of pitching.
The best explanation ever. Wow.
I was clocked at 80mph when I was 14. I had very little guidance growing up and a lot of time playing around with friends. 14 was when I developed persistent rotator cuff issues. I continued to play through high school, but my shoulder never healed, and I kept getting pushed lower on the team. Every throw felt like getting stabbed in the back of my shoulder, but I loved the game that I just dealt with the immense pain.
A couple years ago, when I was 29, I picked up a game of catch with someone at a party, and my god was the ball zipping out of my hand with minimal effort. I haven't played before or since. It makes me sad to think what could have happened if I took care of my arm when I was young.
Pedro is probably even more special AFTER his playing days… which is amazing! He’s a fountain of wisdom.
Great tips...love Pedro's analysis...
Pedro would be the ultimate pitching coach! His mechanics were terrific when he pitched, he is one of the few pitchers to win NL Cy Young one year, next year he won the AL Cy Young. He was only 5'10 and maybe 165-170lbs, but he brought it 95-100 mph regularly, had a tremendous curve ball, awesome change up, etc..for a 7-8 year period, he was totally dominate.
Themmmmm all that knowledge Pedro eres CHINGONNN LOCO....
Great to listen to Pedro and Harold.. informative.
Dam I'm on a pedro martinez advice youtube marathon. I can't stop watching his video insights and advice, very good info.
The papa of the pollitos right there.awesomeness on his way of teaching. Thanks
I love when he says “Baby ligaments” 😂
One of the greatest pitchers ever giving great advice.
Nolan Ryan and his rival in the national league, Steve carlton. The two of them what do an exercise where they would have a bucket of sand, and they would work their hands from the top of that 5-gallon bucket all the way to the bottom rotating the tendons and fingers all the way down.
Nolan Ryan especially would do so much ligament and stretching work.
This should be a Number One watched video just because it's an explanation as to why nobody has Hall of Fame potential anymore. (Felix Hernandez and Clayton Kershaw MAYBE)
clayton kershaw maybe???
+Daniel Woods I think he means pitchers
Hahahah Kershaw will end up being the GOAT when he retires you fool
Cano and altuve will not be in the hall. too early to tell with lindor, harper, and trout.
He's referring to pitchers.
I agree with the premise of what your saying but CK will be in the Hall of Fame, for sure!
I agree 100% with Pedro. One of the nicest guys I ever worked with. Most of the pitchers have bad mechanics. It all starts in the minor leagues. Having good pitching coaches that teach good pitching mechanics. Two of the best pitching coaches I ever worked with were Tiant, Barrios.
Great Job Pedro breaking down his pitching mechanics.
I could listen to Pedro talk baseball all day
Pedro Martinez #45 My Boy! Thanks for the great memories with The Boston Red Sox. Wouldn't trade them for anything.
Wow, it is always nice to hear the greats talk about their sport.
simply amazing. this young man had coaches and trainers, yet no one had the courage to help him.
When I started weight training, the first advice I was given was: never forget to exercise and strengthen your ligaments, because without them, all your muscles are useless. I made sure to stretch and do ligament-strengthening exercises, and it really helped with keeping me limber while also not tearing anything.
What exercises can you do for ligaments
What specifically are "ligament-strengthening exercises"?
@@rdmcdonald5682 Stretching basically
Pretty sure stretching doesn’t ‘strengthen ligaments’
@@HkFinn83 Who told you this? lol
Just for clarification, as he’s discussing ligament he’s sliding his hand up his arm as if the ligaments run the arm. He really means the muscles that are protecting the ligaments and strengthening those muscles who’s tendons connect closely around the ligaments to protect them. A really great and important discussion to be had by one of the best!
Being from South Jersey I loved when he came to Philly
Hey ...if you want to succeed this probably the best person to listen to. Look up another video with him talking about the rosin bag in regards to the aspect of pitchers cheating with additional aspects. What he does with the rosin alone from the mound is amazing!!!
bulking up guys to death is surely counter productive ...in the 80's 90's there were alot of bone-like pitcher and they pitched just as well as the today's gym bro
These guys are next level-great. I can tell just by listening . I could pick Pedro's brain all day.
WOW Pedro u old school pitchers área the BEST !!!
Incredible advice from an incredible player!
Well said by a legend.
Pedro should know. He is one of the great ever.
Dr. Pedro Martinez?
Pedro really knows the game like john Madden
Professor Pedro!
I wish I knew this when I was pitching blew my arm out in HS Bc of this
Hey Pedro, love your tips. What's the best workouts to do then as a pitcher
Pedro is such a great analyst...
I heard an old school pitcher say what guys used to do that they don’t do anymore is run. They weren’t doing all this crazy stuff guys are doing now. Young prospects are getting tommy John surgery like it’s a rite of passage.
This is so important for young kids to see. If you're coaching kids show your pitchers this. It's the worst thing in the world to see a 20 year old with those elbow scars because everyone who coached him emphasized power over safety
I would never have guessed that Pedro would be so good at the TV job
Wish this was around when I was younger. This happened to me. Elbow started hurting etc. broke it
G.O.A.T. of his era
G.O.A.T.
Tone greatest of all time in his era? That makes no sense
Either goat or not goat.
how does this not have millions of views... smh... all you pitching coaches out there teaching younger players to stand and throw improperly need to watch this video, and that goes for all you young pitchers who have already made it a bad habit of your own.
Live Pedro . Always dropping gems
Wasnt intending on listening to pedro talk pitching today.....best mistake ive made in a while. Now I'm hooked
what a beast. broke it down like a surgeon g
Pedro be a awesome pitching innstructor for anyone
I love Pedro's us of the word "baby
Montreal's pride!!
Damn. Pedro was talking about this 9 years ago. Its become a serious problem in recent years and it's not because of the pitch clock
A star in and out of playground 👏🏻
Pedro Martinez M.D.
muchas gracias Pedro!
it's 2019 for me, and this vid is 4 years old. How are pitchers. not know about this advice Pedro gives?
That’s wild, I been learning how to pitch and been keeping closed til about landing and throw way hard than I ever did but my elbow kills me after throwing good info ima try staying closed at landing
Very well explain , Thanks Pedro
Wealth of knowledge. Glad the Sox got him in camp to help porcello and the young Sox pitchers.
Landing 45 degree depends on your tibial rotation flexibility though.
Notice how the foot is 45 degree but the shin/kneecap is still facing homeplate. Its because your shin can twist a bit left/right.
But really in my opinion, the direction of the pelvis should be the focus. Some pitchers look like theyre flying open because of the look of their lead leg but their pelvis and torso still remains closed(which is good).
Do you mind explaining what Pedro is talking about in this video,
Do you mind explaining what Pedro is talking about in this video,
@@cy4208 open = facing towards homeplate, closed = facing sideways
flying open means rotating the torso too early, like rotating your torso even if your pelvis hasnt significantly rotated towards homeplate yet. it means you are not fully utilizing your legs to pitch.
so if somebody is throwing fast even though theyre flying open, then it means they arent very efficient and might be doing something dangerous to get to that throwing speed.
the opposite of flying open is staying closed which makes you more explosive and helps you ensure that you rotate your hips first before your torso. however it takes some strength to hold a closed position and rotate from it, so its important to develop lower half strength.
landing the foot 45 degrees closed is a cue/habit taught mostly to younger pitchers. sometimes the lead leg guides the pitcher’s body so keeping it sideways will help with staying closed. sometimes its the glove arm that can make you fly open, so another cue they use is to keep the glove internally rotated to keep it from pulling back early.
Reds, Rockies, and Braves are on top of the NL in the background. That's like the opposite of today lol
Pedro is the goat. Nobody had better stuff. Nobody
Any things to strengthen my muscles by my elbow cause not in the inside but the outer elbow it’s like getting locked up and I just want to protect my self
Young kids needs to listen to this immediately
Pedro has heart ❤️
When one of the GOATs gives pitching and workout advice you listen.
PEDRO!!!!!!
If Boston doesnt make a statue of Pedro in Fenway their whole org is a sham
I don't agree with Pedro on the whole "foot landing 45 degrees" thing. If you check out any great pitcher's mechanics, including Pedro's, they all land with that foot in line with the plate. But as Pedro said it is definitely bad to fly open or stay too closed. Flying open = arm strain and staying too closed = less hip and arm ROM and possible knee problems. Good video to learn from, he was truly a great pitcher.
Susboyardee your out of your mind
I love pedro
Can't argue.. He knows and he should be hired by teams to mentor young pitchers!!
Watch and learn kids.
Koehler has a ton of arm drag in his delivery. Not having your forearm vertical at the time your shoulders start to rotate will create undue stress on the UCL
Vote for Pedro. He is the man!
Mr. Martinez knows a thing or two about pitching and bad arms. I give him the benefit of the
doubt.