At least you have the more powerful options. I've had a slim PS4 since my Original died a couple years ago, and these games are really starting to show their age... So much lag in almost every game released in the last year.
@@JAKOB1977 "drop coverage of current gen consoles" ... The video about the current gen consoles was out a week ago. In this video he talked about "last" gen. ;o) This current gen is a year out. In two years there could be "better" versions announced like a PS5 Pro. Too bad that the availability is still so low.
Sounds like a Control situation when playing on PS4/Xbox One which means it plays best on PS5/Xbox Series X. It’s incredible how new games are still supported for an almost 10 year old hardware! Still I’m glad to be able to play these new games on my PS4 slim.
Had zero excitement or expectations from this game and it ended up blowing me away so far. Awesome story and the characters stand on their own really well
Same, I just ordered it for the ps5 and t's coming tuesday. So far 80% of the games I played were ps4 titles so I'm excited. Hope it doesn't disappoint.
@@MrEldorado15 Seeing how much it looks inspired by Gunn's version I was afraid it would lack originality but I'm probably wrong about that as well. The gun play looks similar to Ratchet and Clank which so far is probably my game of the year so it looks like fun too.
This game was such a surprise. I wasn’t that excited for it but I decided to buy it after high reviews and wow, it’s such a great game. I’m on my New Game + play through.. it’s currently a contender for my game of the year.
Why are the enemies and environment design so weird? Looks like you fight a bunch of plants for half the game...Is that just a guardians of the galaxy thing?
@@treywar25 The start of the game has a lot of wildlife enemies. There are numorous times when you fight bipedal enemies(around 70% of the encounters if I were to guess are "human" enemies).
That's very true. While I've a pretty solid pc these days I've gamed on many different kinds of hardware and consoles because it's what I had and enjoyed many great games. Even these days I spent a lot of game time on the Switch which doesn't even compare in performance to my pc but some of the games on it are a lot of fun and enjoy them just as much. It's a good attitude to have.
PS4 / XONE / PC with 1080p is what majority of population use. I enjoyed the game on PS5 with 4K HDR , but rest of the people aren't missing anything considerable...
I guess I shouldn’t bother with the game until I get a next-gen console or they patch it to have a steady framerate on PS4. 20fps during battle is going to look awful.
@@mrshmuga9 seeing other youtubers on the next gen hype train got me thinking if these guys will leave them too or not. meanwhile many real world people still have last gen.
This game deserves a re-look. They just added ray tracing/rtx on next gen. Knowing DF they won’t cover it unless they’re paid to do so. John is a jabronie of the highest order.
I think theres another year at most left in these older consoles - they're still doing amazing work and Im sure some optimisations to this particular game will make them more viable, it'll just take a little time for them to optimise the code accordingly - but Im still blown away that things run so well on them. Go-Team Last-Gen.
Same, I don't see any real next gen game to buy PS5 so far, I hope for new Uncharted and GTA 6, all good titles nowadays coming on last gen too, therefore my PS4 pro still rocks)
Only if you are on the pro versions of them, the base models are done for. Tbh the upgraded versions should still work, they have not been out for long before the new models dropped and were not that cheap either.
Thanks for the assessment Tom. I really appreciate the detail. I have old and new generation consoles so your information is just what i need. I'd be keen to hear mention of any comparisons you have to other games of this or past generations. For example other games or developers that focused on 'next gen' console performance (even though 'past gen' are still more prolific - as you say). It helps build up the long story of how games are evolving with each console. Thanks heaps!
I wouldn't even want to see Chapter 14 on base Xbox One or base PS4. On my Series X on performance mode, Chapter 14 was frequently a slide show thanks to the enemy density, the gold backlighing, the gold fog, all the particle effects from combat, and the stuff happening in the background. It was the only chapter I had any issues with on Series X, but when the troubles began the only solution was to close and restart the game otherwise the choppy slowdown would persist even if I backtracked to earlier chapters.
It’s dumb that some of these games aren’t living up to “performance” mode, and it’s more like “less crap” mode. They still seem to be developing games with quality mode as the default and performance as the alternative, when it should be the other way around. It’s not like they can’t make these games look AND run great, they’re just obsessed with 4K, reflections, and ray-tracing. Hopefully this won’t be an issue when they don’t have to make cross-gen versions or know the hardware, but it’s still annoying. Make the game run well first, THEN add bells and whistles until framerate starts dropping and then start removing assets until it runs well again. It might be pretty, but we didn’t buy it to put each frame into a photo album.
same thing happened to me. I didn't restart it though, I was just like f it I wanted to see what was next lol. After a while it cleared up but it took a while.
I got this game for my OG Xbox One since it was only $20 vs $60 on Steam. The lower textures, resolution, and framerate took a little getting used to at first after doing most of my gaming on PC, but it was fine after that. I'm about a quarter of the way through, and it's really fun so far!
This game is my current GOTY. It’s not perfect and optimization wise it absolutely needs a few patches but I played through on my PC and was blown away by the package as a whole. Stunning graphics and art work, some of the best writing I’ve EVER heard and the acting and facial animation capture in particular are mind blowing. A few patches and this is a must buy. Eidos Montreal deserves the recognition and the sales for what they’ve done here
@@WinterWearWolf honestly man, I think this is one of those games you just gotta take a chance on it. If you’re looking for a good old single player game with a great story and no strings attached, do it. Eidos Montreal deserves every dollar for what they’ve done
it makes sense the one x can resolve background detail better even with lower quality assets since DoF usually becomes less noticable at higher resolutions. less detail, but more resolution and less blur makes for the cleaner image.
@@ReelShowtime Yeah, I'm not really sure about this myself. It must be down to either Texel fill-rate or overall bandwidth for the Series S, as it is about on par with the PS4 Pro for both of those, it does have quite a bit more pixel fill rate than the PS4 Pro or Xbox One X for what that is worth. We know on the CPU side it, the Series S, should have no issues running at 60fps, so my gut tells me it is a bandwidth issue. If that is the case, I'm betting this game is not utilizing Sampler Feedback Streaming, if it is then I'm really confused, about how all these new features work.
@@davidwooten7212 bro none of the nextgen features inside the Xbox series S is being uses in this game or any game out their period, this is a console parity / poor optimization problem
@@davidwooten7212 not one single multiplatform game out their is using the performance enhancement features or RDNA2 capabilities inside the series consoles
I was not even thinking about even getting this game but took a chance and got it (is it perfect) no but I can’t believe how much I love this game…whoever wrote the story/dialogue deserves a raise (honestly prefer these Guardians over the MCUs) especially Drax and Gamora …
Completely agree. The devs did a great job. The people calling the devs lazy are basically just using a buzzword to explain stuff they don't understand.
i thought that until about 5 hrs in with all the constant bickering with your own team. It just drove me up the wall i wanted to push them off a cliff. i do still like the game it just needs less arguments lol.
This game is a little rough around the edges. there's some weird animation transitions, like when scrolling through costumes and the characters pop up from the bottom lol, not to mention those few framerate drops and rather odd character teleportations. You can make out the devs were on a tight budget. But the fundamentals and art design are so damn strong that I can't help but not give a damn. I'm guessing this was a sort of POC for Eidos Montreal and I hope they get to make a sequel with a bigger budget
Really regretting selling my OneX to get the SeriesS in cases like this.. Even Jedi Fallen order and Red dead redemption 2 on the SeriesS are such a major downgrade on how they looked on my OneX.. Im so torn as the SeriesS is such a neat little machine that generally loads and perforns like the iPhone of consoles but in far to many instances now the lack of actual visual output is starting to become obvious and concerning. Its such a shame that Microsoft seem to be flooding the market with the SeriesS (that yes certainly has its place) instead of putting out even a moderately steady supply of SeriesX consoles.
I agree. I got rid of my one x once I got the Series S, and was disappointed in tbe downgraded visuals. Finally got the Series X and got rid of my Series S.
@@Andre217 Only reason I opted for Series S, even though I had the One X is because I couldn't find a Series X. Then my brother got me a Series X for Christmas, so I got rid of the Series S. It was a neat , little console though. Amazing how small it is for what is inside
I feel your pain... it’s the only next gen option that’s easily attainable where I am and I tried it... the new features were cool, the load time was amazing but the games looked crap. Ps5 soon hopefully then best of both worlds :D
Young Peter looks like he was based on John Connors friend from T2. I would not be happy with any game running at 30fps on the Series S regardless of resolution, that is unacceptable and does not feel like progress.
Some games just push too much, guardians just needs better optimization. Series S ain't some super next gen machine....expecting all games to be able to run 60 on it is too much.
It's can easily do 900p/60fps.... when this game had uncapped frame rate on series s it was around 50fps 1080p... if they dropped the resloution to 900p it could achive a stable 60fps!
i remember deus ex being one of the first 4k games for ps4 pro, which is alot more impressive to look back at today. they pushed 1800p in 2016 and most ps4 pro games after that targeted 1440p or 1080p60 modes. i think they never did a xbox one x patch for deus ex, that should still run at 900p or so on series consoles so im not suprised they nailed the ps4 pro version again, good joob
Rule of thumb: If you enjoyed Cyberpunk 2077 with all of its issues, Guardians of the Galaxy (and pretty much every game until PS4 is no more) should be a cake walk. At least, that's what happening to me. Few FPS drops here and there, but I develop somewhat of an inmunnity.
Great to see the 1 X get some love form a developer lol. I have to be with Dreamcast guy on this one and that is that there is far too many arguments in the game. It gets tiring when it's between your own team mates. It's funny for the first couple of hours but then just gets monotonous.
Im floored that it even runs on these consoles. I have it for PC but just picked up a ps4 and was wondering about the hardware. This whole time I thought the xb1 and ps4 used solid state storage. Consoles were so far behind PC and still are for that matter. I wish that the DEVs would have locked 720p for ps4. The Battles are almost impossible. Reminds me of the original last of us for ps3, yea its fps is that bad.
One X still holding it's own I love it. Glad I got it for cheap. Forza looks amazing and the Halo tech test looked really good so I expect something similar in settings once it's out.
The PS4 Pro performance means that with even without proper optimization, the Series S should be able to do a solid 1440p output. They just didn’t bother. With even a modicum of effort put in, PS4 Pro and Series S should be on par with Series S textures being better, with the One X a step above in overall res with lower quality textures, and Series X and PS5 on top with best textures and resolution. And yet it’s not this way. Everything about this feels like it turned out good, but….lazy?
Was gonna say the exact same thing - GPU is years ahead in architecture (only slightly behind in raw power, but should be significantly more optimized over the Pro)
On Series S the game was actually running 60 fps before an early patch capped it at 30 fps due to the framerate being a bit choppy. So that means the current Series S version has the worst of both worlds; the visuals of a performance mode and the performance of a visuals mode. It'd be like the Series X/PS5 version only having the 1080p performance mode available, except its locked to 30 fps.
@@BITCOIlN it's much better than the ps4 pro and Xbox one x. Look how Xbox series s runs battlefield 2042 and how Xbox one x runs battlefield. The series s manhandles Xbox one x in battlefield,the graphics are on par with the series x in Forza and better than on the x. The one x can't even run Microsoft flight simulator While the series s can . resident evil runs at 1440p45rt and stalker 2 a next gen game with unreal engine 5 will have ray tracing on the series s. Is it a last gen console or you own an Xbox one x and you're trying to cope with the fact that the console is done. The stalker 2 devs said that it's impossible for the game to run on Xbox one lmfao
@@BITCOIlN series S isn't a last gen console. The game should probably have a 1080p60 perf mode and a 1440p30 visual mode, but the developer seems to have not allocated sufficient time to optimization. It probably won't be an issue once we can drop the old PS4/xbone consoles, that way developers just have 3 different systems to worry about.
I wish I had that experience. Played through the Lethal Legion space battle last night on PS4 and it was easily sub 20. Could just barely squeeze through it. :(
I think the frame drops during cutscenes are an issue with the game engine, playing on my PC with very high RT at 1440p and DLSS quality I was getting between 80-90 fps, but on some cutscene it dropped down into the 40s
It's the framerate that matters though. If only the Pro had VRR like the One X does too. I don't think most people realise One X has VRR as well as the Series consoles. It has Dolby Atmos as well for supported titles.
This is exactly what I was afraid of when I “upgraded” from an Xbox One X to a Series S. I feel pretty ripped off when my old console does much better than my “next gen” one, even though the Series S is the budget option. There’s zero reason for it to be stuck at 30fps with compromised visuals.
i dont think the series s version was ready. makes no sense at all to me when the ps4 pro has similar power and pushes much higher resolutions. before launch the series s version was 1080p 50 ish fps. but then they locked it down to 30 and just left the resolution alone. weird stuff going on here.
That's because they've boy cotting the series S, they aren't using any of the nextgen power or features in the console, this is just and simple console parity and laziness, just watch an see the difference between first party games and multiplatform game's on the series S an you'll see the first party titles will have better resolution and performance
I played about 2 hours on PS5 and immediately went into video settings and changed it to Quality mode. My friend has a 75" LG OLED which only made the game look like a freakin' movie. I saw minor performance dips, but the TV is so amazing that it corrects any potentially bad looking frames. Everything was smooth as butter. Oh, the game itself, AMAZING, after playing "The Avengers" I did not have high hopes for this one. That being said, if you tolerated that game like me, you will LOVE this one.
Xbox One X is more than capable of 60fps and 1440p or 1900p avg and medium to high settings ..without raytracing I dont why developers keep running a console with such a powerful last gen gpu is being overlooked its bs and lazy.
Maybe, I'm sure there is some optimizations that could be done, but remember the Series S only has 224GB of raw bandwidth at its disposal, about on par with the PRO. Since we know this title is not a major CPU bottleneck, I'm betting they have bandwidth issues on the Series S, that with further optimization might be sorted out to allow 60fps on that console. Also remember the Series S is neither a pixel or texel fill-rate beast, and truly is a 1080p machine. Of course I know nothing, and this is all just my guess.
@@davidwooten7212 Yeah you’re probably right tbh. I think this is where it would be good to see more 40fps games, take advantage of that HDMI 2.1 120HZ support. Insomniac did it with Rift Apart, I’d like to see GotG have that patched in.
Has Digital Foundry done any comparisons of the Switch streaming versions that Square Enix have been putting out? If the base XBO/PS4 consoles struggle with newer releases surely a streamed Switch version becomes a more viable option for some people, and it be good to know where they stand comparatively.
I saw a review and they said it was crap. I’m not sure how that even works. If it’s streamed, shouldn’t it run well as long as your internet connection is strong enough? Like say you have Gigabit internet, theoretically it shouldn’t be a low-res, poor framerate mess. But maybe I’m missing something. Maybe the host internet is crap or too many people are trying to access it, which is why it slows down. I’m not sure how it works or where it can go wrong though.
I haven't noticed on 60 fps on Series X but it only runs at 1080p anyway. I am sure there would be a way to improve the PC version before too long as far as LOD handling.
@@DEVILTAZ35 Oh it's there on the series x. I've watched some play throughs to see if it has it. Even in the ship it has it. Just look at the ship cabin doors. You can see the lvl of detail pop in very close to you. on all platforms. I can understand maybe if you have to cut back a little on consoles, but i'm playing on a 3090. Give me an ultra LOD setting for gods sake.
Every versions looks very playable to me but I guess in an era of gaming where even the lowest end still looks great. We have to look at the finer detail. I just find it hard to take things seriously when you say the hair looks terrible. Until recently hair was a low poly mess with a texture on top. 😂
haha yeah that is a good point. Not many games have gotten that right over the years. I particularly like Tombraider though but this doesn't seem to be the same engine.
Imo, it isn't worth upgrading to a Series S from the One X. Series X yes, but not Series S. I was let down when I went from One X to the Series S. I ended up getting the Series X and got rid of my Series S. I may just grab another One X for my back bedroom
@@godzilla7391 it's not intended to be an upgrade to X1X. X1X is a 4K console Series S is 1080-1440p. If you have a 4K screen then Series S is not for you.
@@vandammage1747 Yea, I sorta knew that, but still got one anyway, maybe just itching for a new console, and I couldn't grab a Series X yet. Got the Series X later. I still think the Series S is a nice machine
@@westernrev9628 Well, it is a next gen console, faster cpu, better hard drive, with newer architecture. Upgrade in some areas, and not in others, but as I said, I actually liked my One X better.
Well when it forces the xbone to run it at 720p (Aren't we in the year 2021? wtf is this shit) and the Ps4 cant even do 1080p I feel like it was simply designed with the limitations of those consoles in mind but really is meant to be played on more capable hardware.
@@Ayoul They had to optimize this game for 8 different platforms...and a cloud version. This engine has always been a headache. Cut them some slack, they are gonna gix best they can. This is what always happens with most cross gen games. You wanna be play to push games further, but can't leave the last gen behind. One has to suffer.
@@amartinez97 you say that but most AAA games that past 2 years have been sub-1080p on PS4. Like…this is just the nature of pushing toward the end of a gen and developers pushing games and engines harder regardless of the existence of new consoles. Whether PS5 and Series X existed or not, PS4 would fail to reach 1080p like it has with most major third party games the past few years. Developers will almost always choose to drop resolution first to save on render time before dropping settings to retain as much as the intended visual features as possible
If base Ps4 and Xbox One have to resort to Switch levels of resulution I can imagine why they were going for a cloud version for Switch, instead of an actual port.
Please they could easily make Guardians of the Galaxy game run at 1080p 30fps like every other third party switch games did and they performed surprisingly well with hardly no dips It's the dawn engine that is the problem It's not properly optimized I have seen other games perform way better than this game 🤦♂️
Weird how this game is so heavy the PS4 struggles with it. The game looks OK but it doesn't strike me as obvious what the issue is. Is all of the lighting dynamic or something? That would be a strange move for a linear story game...
The Reason why it’s sub 1080p because the artwork and design was done with next gen first priorities DF never mention the graphics inside the resolution which is colorful and busy.
Two things here. First why not just go for 720p on base PS4? Cause currently it looks like a flex gone wrong. Secondly comparing this games engine to the one used in FH5. I know it's apples to oranges, but what makes one engine so immaculately scalable while the other seems all over the place?
Basically, in racing games since the car is moving fast, there is usually a lot of motion blur involved in the images being produced. That alone can give a great performance boost, as the game doesn't then have to draw in all of those assets and textures that are being blurred, with a great amount detail. Plus, they also tend to be far more linear in scope, in that you are often closed and hemmed in, just following a track in one direction (like going one-way down a twisting corridor). Being a small area, it also saves on the amount of assets that are being used and the time used to streaming in those assets. That's why most racing games or other fast paced games with a lot of motion blur involved, usually pump out a decent level of performance. On the other hand, slower more open games, like a sandbox game for example, usually have far more assets to handle, since you can travel across a much larger area in any direction and you can often interact with or pick up many of those in-game assets (items). These are also usually slower paced, so there's not only more far assets to draw and stream in, but because there isn't much or any motion blur involved, all of those assets then have to be drawn in, with a much higher degree of detail. This increase of course, then needs far more processing power, which then takes it out on the amount of performance that you end up getting. Although the game engine used and fidelity of the graphics play their part, often the type of game, also greatly dictates what the performance level will be like.
The dude didn't answer the 720p thing. It's possible that it's a cpu bottleneck. But that's a lot of performance to be and from just 100mhz. So it's likely it may not.
When Cyberpunk hit frame-rates in the low twenties, the whole world went really hard on that company. This game hit the low twenties and seems like everyone is fine.
Very good point though Cyberpunk 2077 dropped lower in fps than this. I think CP2077 gets a harder time because it was hyped to madness and they prevented the press from showing how the lower gen machines played it until the day of release. CP2077 played with a huge difference in the way the game looked compared to the trailers, this game looks pretty good at 22fps, while Cyberpunk 2077 at release was in a horrendous condition visually and stability wise, even after a year of patches the streets are dead and look nothing like the trailers.
Because the hype around CP2077 was absolutely through the roof, and CDPR was promising some wild stuff. They straight up lied about last-gen's performance. This game didn't do any of that.
They could have had 32GB RAM DDR6 and those streaming would have been present, because of the dreaded 5400 RPM HDD. play it of an SSD to see the difference.
@@SimonBuchanNz yeah, a bottleneck will always be present, especially if the devs don't optimize the game and they make the game very big and very ambitious. There will always be games which surpasses what hardware can do easily. And if you crank those games to max settings, welcome struggles and hitches.
Played on XSX and yea this game was well worth my time, unlike Avengers 🙄. But, this game needs to be optimized. I had some pretty ridiculous glitches, nothing game breaking but still...
Just finished this game about 4 hours ago (on PC). What a wild, beautiful, awesome fun ride it was! Some levels/sets seemed undercooked, compared to some other showstopper visual delights. Ray tracing is a MUST for this title.
I kinda want to try this with my broken (i think) hard drive in my ps4. When i play the last of us 2, all the cutscenes glitch, and other games crash and have audio mess up
I loved playing the game on my PS4 until the frame rate and resolution kept jumping and skipping to the point where I was barely able to play the game. It also got to the point where the game literally just broke down when I was just starting chapter 12, and then I couldn’t recover the save data in any way. I’m gonna wait til I get a PS5 to play the game
yesterday my game frozen on my xbox one x in battle in chapter 8, and after restart it run without 30 fps cap, it was amazing when game could hit 60 fps in normal explorintion sections it was amazing i wish to know how to break this game again. Anyone had this magic issiue ??
Did anyone else have weird graphical bugs on PC like textures not loading in time and things in the enviroment popping in and out. Especially in the more ”complex” enviroments. The game runs fine on my 3070 but theres just graphical bugs everywhere. Its so weird im not seeing anyone talk about this.
I haven't run across any such issues on my 5900X/6800XT pc but there are some people having different issues on the Steam Technical Support forums. When I first got the game I had some shadow/lighting pop in issues but a driver update from AMD fixed the issue. Are you up to date on your Nvidia drivers? Have you messed with any settings in the Nvidia Control panel? I'd skim through the Steam forums maybe someone has the same issue and found a fix? Good luck.
@@TerraWare I asked in the steam forums but no answer. My system is new. I have updated the driver. I have messed around with the settings in the control panel but havent worked. Very strange
@@TerraWare I think theres something wrong with the latest driver or maybe was the case of needing to uninstall and reinstalling the game to get it working properly. Either way ive finished the game now and ill see if its the same in other games
@@oozly9291 true it is slower especially in terms of loading but honestly having had both (returner series S) games especially older ones look way better on the one X. I’ve read that even with series S it uses the base Xbox one version of most/all? Games that aren’t series S/X optimised....
Is disaapointing to see this game not well optimized, hopefully the next patches are going to improve the experience of the game in last gen consoles. I was thinking to buy this game but I will have to wait.
@@Stevgogo77 Spiderman runs just fine, same with Forza. Developers have had years with these last gen consoles, they should know how to optimize properly by now.
@@gr4vity649 lmao throws out two first party games! Third party and first party are different. Demanding cry babies just sitting in their house bitching about shit they don't understand. Gamers 101.
@@buttermilk5364 If a game doesn't run well, it's the developers fault for not optimizing it well enough. Period. Doesn't matter if it's a first or third party developer.
@@brewski535 Yeah I've tried that before, however 1728 is more performant and not every game displays on 21:9. I have AMD 6700XT and Nvidia RTX 2070 on my two rigs. The 2070 hits 60 FPS at 1728P with medium shadows the rest set to high. My 6700XT can hit 4K 60 in most titles. 1800P is my common resolution at max setting on my 6700XT. Unfortunately the 6700XT sucks at RT so I might drop to 1296P, 1440P with medium high settings in older RT titles. Newer RT titles such as The Ascent, Rift Breakers, and Far Cry 6, the 6700XT does well at 1728P - 1800P with high/ultra settings with RT on.
@@brewski535 Refreshing to hear others do the same - I frequently use 21:9 / Ultrawide custom resolutions on a 16:9. I've largely given up suggesting it as it's usually met with scepticism or outright denial that it's technically possible.
@@MBeeching It's possible in the vast majority of games. Not all support 21:9 ultra wide resolutions though so you might end up with black bars on all sides instead of just the top and bottom. There are other caveats too; most games will need FOV adjustments and HDR doesn't always work at custom resolutions. Some games have huge performance gains (Cyberpunk is one of them if I remember), in others the difference is relatively minor/not really worth it. It depends on how the game engine scales with resolution. It's a great way to save performance without resorting to resolutions that incorrectly scale to your monitor and cause "upscale blur". Death standing on PS5 is a recent high profile example that demonstrated performance is significantly better in an ultra wide scaled resolution and allows for a clean/non blurry image. I'm thinking about doing a Reddit post regarding this at some point, I'm not sure many people realise/think of it as a possibility. Many developers could include this as an option on console too in order to achieve their frametime budgets. The aging last gen consoles could really benefit, an extra 10-30% performance with no blur seems like a no-brainer to me. It also helps give games that filmic look...
@@brewski535 I tried 3360X1890P and was impressed with the results. Looked native and in Forza Horizon 5 it allowed me to lock to 60 using a mix of high and ultra settings. Average was 68.1 FPS at 1890P in FH5. 4K my average was 61 FPS with regular dips into the mid 50s.
It could be a memory issue on PS4 . Depending on how they do the mirroring it can be really taxing. The low res of the Xbox One probably helps it alot and the extra grunt of the One X along with extra memory would assist that too.
6:58 Sure the words might be clearer on the Series S side but everything else looks better on the One X side. Everything looks jagged or kind of pixelated on the Series S side.
Yeah but it's not just the text it's also some things like texts on books and little stuff like that where text is on or something I think it's like that to put the one s in a better spotlight im sure one x can handle the same I mean come on they just need to tweak the game a little bit because I'm sure it can look like series x on one x just with 30 fps and no Ray tracing! ( I'm not even sure if it has Ray tracing at this point)
On a hole the game looks good but in badly need to be optimised Performance wise, anything below the last gen enhanced consoles looks like a pass. PS5/XSX X1X XSS/PS4 Pro X1S PS4 Shame but hopefully some patches can fix it. How's it running on PC?
Its Running great on the RTX 2060 (laptop) so it probably great on the desktop version of this Card. I did run it on the 1660TI desktop card, It was kinda ok, can't complain, but you need a good CPU.
@@mdu2486 same, 1080p ultra without rtx with 1660ti with i7 10700k getting locked 60fps in most scenes, these console people think optimization is magic..
1440p 90/100fps maxed out (rt on + dlss quality) on a rtx 3070, the game is beautiful when maxed out and it's really stable framerate/frametime, the only framerate issue that I've got is on the cutscene at the beginning level, when the "big fish" is attacked by something (trying to not spoil xD), at 8:00 you can see the end of the cutscene, when the camera look for the guardians of the galaxy my framerate was cutted in half without any reason and after all of that I finished the game in 20h without other issue (something softlock and one crash but not big issue)
Xbox One S visuals look so bad it brought me back to the PS3 and 360 generation, when most games ran at super low resolutions, framerate around the 20s and no AA, a trademark of that generation.
Am I the only one who thinks the xbox one version still looks beautiful? Like yes it isn't as good as ps5 but it's a beautiful game with its art direction and its preserved on xbox one really well.
It is a shame that such a great game is that poorly optimized on most machines. - When 4K30 on PS5 and XSX runs mostly perfectly it cannot be that they run poorly with 1080p60 with less detail on the same machines. - Same with the comparison of Xbox One X and Xbox Series S where One X delivers a much cleaner picture. They were just lazy on Series S and prioritized the wrong settings (basically XSX settings with a lower resolution - instead should have opted for the Xbox One X settings). Hope your video helps with convincing the devs to patch all this issues.
Thank you for keeping us "Last Gen Losers" in mind with these videos! Still loving my One X and Ps4 pro!!
WORD!!!
At least you have the more powerful options. I've had a slim PS4 since my Original died a couple years ago, and these games are really starting to show their age... So much lag in almost every game released in the last year.
Majority of the population are "Last Gen Losers". Most can't get. Ps5 or Series X with the retail money in hand.
Shit game anyway lol
@@bw4348 coz we cant get a next gen coz they are sold out everywhere so what are we supposed to do 🤡
Nice to see you guys return to this after Forza. Nice to see the difference in optimization and scaling
i knew they would do it, this game is too unique to skip full analysis..
Think this was always a given, since Tom was working on this while Rich was working on Forza.
@@JAKOB1977 "drop coverage of current gen consoles" ... The video about the current gen consoles was out a week ago. In this video he talked about "last" gen. ;o)
This current gen is a year out. In two years there could be "better" versions announced like a PS5 Pro.
Too bad that the availability is still so low.
Sounds like a Control situation when playing on PS4/Xbox One which means it plays best on PS5/Xbox Series X. It’s incredible how new games are still supported for an almost 10 year old hardware! Still I’m glad to be able to play these new games on my PS4 slim.
Control is much MUCH worse bro. This is more in the lines of gtav on PS3 and 360.
Had zero excitement or expectations from this game and it ended up blowing me away so far. Awesome story and the characters stand on their own really well
Same, I just ordered it for the ps5 and t's coming tuesday. So far 80% of the games I played were ps4 titles so I'm excited. Hope it doesn't disappoint.
@@JudgeFudge57 … this is also a PS4 title
@@ErenTheWarcriminal I was talking about native next gen games. I know it's not next gen exclusive but that wasn't my point.
@@JudgeFudge57 it won't ... It is also really funny (I mean dialogwise ... 😉
@@MrEldorado15 Seeing how much it looks inspired by Gunn's version I was afraid it would lack originality but I'm probably wrong about that as well. The gun play looks similar to Ratchet and Clank which so far is probably my game of the year so it looks like fun too.
This game was such a surprise. I wasn’t that excited for it but I decided to buy it after high reviews and wow, it’s such a great game. I’m on my New Game + play through.. it’s currently a contender for my game of the year.
Why are the enemies and environment design so weird? Looks like you fight a bunch of plants for half the game...Is that just a guardians of the galaxy thing?
Great game and I’m on my second play through as well.
Damn sounds like ashort game then actually.
@@treywar25 Yeah, I'm confused by this as well. It's not even like it's "good weird", most seem like just poor design.
@@treywar25 The start of the game has a lot of wildlife enemies.
There are numorous times when you fight bipedal enemies(around 70% of the encounters if I were to guess are "human" enemies).
Holy moly what a busy week for DF
I platinumed this game on base PS4 lol
when you got no choice, you do what you gotta do. the game is fantastic.
Nothing wrong with it, most PCs are at the same resolution (720P-1080P) 😂
I still have my old PS4 Slim and I don't see myself buying a PS5 anytime soon so I'm really happy with this game on it.
That's very true. While I've a pretty solid pc these days I've gamed on many different kinds of hardware and consoles because it's what I had and enjoyed many great games. Even these days I spent a lot of game time on the Switch which doesn't even compare in performance to my pc but some of the games on it are a lot of fun and enjoy them just as much. It's a good attitude to have.
PS4 / XONE / PC with 1080p is what majority of population use. I enjoyed the game on PS5 with 4K HDR , but rest of the people aren't missing anything considerable...
@Lov Mir What on earth are you talking about?
Man, this game is like playing a next-gen G-Darius game campaign. Future SHMUPS take note.
I was waiting for this one. Thanks Tom!!
You're welcome
I guess I shouldn’t bother with the game until I get a next-gen console or they patch it to have a steady framerate on PS4. 20fps during battle is going to look awful.
Glad to see DF giving love to last gen
Given people are still having problems getting (at least) a PS5, they kind of have to. That and the game is cross-gen so, why not test them anyway?
@@mrshmuga9 seeing other youtubers on the next gen hype train got me thinking if these guys will leave them too or not. meanwhile many real world people still have last gen.
I guess they will keep doing that as long as games are still launched there.
This game deserves a re-look. They just added ray tracing/rtx on next gen. Knowing DF they won’t cover it unless they’re paid to do so. John is a jabronie of the highest order.
I think theres another year at most left in these older consoles - they're still doing amazing work and Im sure some optimisations to this particular game will make them more viable, it'll just take a little time for them to optimise the code accordingly - but Im still blown away that things run so well on them. Go-Team Last-Gen.
Same, I don't see any real next gen game to buy PS5 so far, I hope for new Uncharted and GTA 6, all good titles nowadays coming on last gen too, therefore my PS4 pro still rocks)
Only if you are on the pro versions of them, the base models are done for. Tbh the upgraded versions should still work, they have not been out for long before the new models dropped and were not that cheap either.
a year, ha thats generous. those old gen consoles were struggling with 3rd party games 2 years b4 ps5 even came out.
Xbox One S was miserable w loading times on Subnautica or Witcher 3. If you can find a Series console Quick Resume is literally a game changer.
I agree. I remember the Xbox 360 version of Rise of the Tomb Raider thinking it was magic.
Thanks for the assessment Tom. I really appreciate the detail. I have old and new generation consoles so your information is just what i need.
I'd be keen to hear mention of any comparisons you have to other games of this or past generations. For example other games or developers that focused on 'next gen' console performance (even though 'past gen' are still more prolific - as you say). It helps build up the long story of how games are evolving with each console.
Thanks heaps!
Performance seems to scale in line with CPU clock, and the Pro have problems with insufficient bandwidth.
I think you nailed it, and bandwidth is probably one reason the Series S is limited to 30fps, as it only has 3% more total bandwidth than the Pro.
@@davidwooten7212 And the 8 core Zen CPU should use more bandwidth than 8 Jaguar CPU, had forgotten this detail.
@@davidwooten7212 No reason this shouldn’t be 1440p on the series S
If that's the case. This would literally be like the one time that 100mhz clockspeed advantage is relevant
@@deathdoor But that 8 core zen 2 cpu is only pushing 30fps. Like that jaguar chip.
I wouldn't even want to see Chapter 14 on base Xbox One or base PS4. On my Series X on performance mode, Chapter 14 was frequently a slide show thanks to the enemy density, the gold backlighing, the gold fog, all the particle effects from combat, and the stuff happening in the background. It was the only chapter I had any issues with on Series X, but when the troubles began the only solution was to close and restart the game otherwise the choppy slowdown would persist even if I backtracked to earlier chapters.
It’s dumb that some of these games aren’t living up to “performance” mode, and it’s more like “less crap” mode. They still seem to be developing games with quality mode as the default and performance as the alternative, when it should be the other way around. It’s not like they can’t make these games look AND run great, they’re just obsessed with 4K, reflections, and ray-tracing.
Hopefully this won’t be an issue when they don’t have to make cross-gen versions or know the hardware, but it’s still annoying. Make the game run well first, THEN add bells and whistles until framerate starts dropping and then start removing assets until it runs well again. It might be pretty, but we didn’t buy it to put each frame into a photo album.
Odd -- Chapter 14 runs fine on XSX for me.
same thing happened to me. I didn't restart it though, I was just like f it I wanted to see what was next lol. After a while it cleared up but it took a while.
That sounds more like a memory leak.
"hardware launched back in 2013"
I was working at gamestop.....how fast time passes
I got this game for my OG Xbox One since it was only $20 vs $60 on Steam. The lower textures, resolution, and framerate took a little getting used to at first after doing most of my gaming on PC, but it was fine after that. I'm about a quarter of the way through, and it's really fun so far!
This game is my current GOTY. It’s not perfect and optimization wise it absolutely needs a few patches but I played through on my PC and was blown away by the package as a whole. Stunning graphics and art work, some of the best writing I’ve EVER heard and the acting and facial animation capture in particular are mind blowing.
A few patches and this is a must buy. Eidos Montreal deserves the recognition and the sales for what they’ve done here
Let's be honest it was a weak year
We need a Sequel
Your comment is making me, for the first time, making me seriously consider picking up the game lol
@@WinterWearWolf pick it up I bought it yesterday and not regret it. One of the best games this year.
@@WinterWearWolf honestly man, I think this is one of those games you just gotta take a chance on it. If you’re looking for a good old single player game with a great story and no strings attached, do it. Eidos Montreal deserves every dollar for what they’ve done
it makes sense the one x can resolve background detail better even with lower quality assets since DoF usually becomes less noticable at higher resolutions. less detail, but more resolution and less blur makes for the cleaner image.
Man sub 30 fps is really rough.
that was the enitre ps3 360 generation.
@Anonymous there are 60 fps games every generation but definitely more triple-A titles were sub 30 for the 360/ps3 era than now.
@Anonymous Sure, minecraft and tetris 2d. No other games though.
@@michaelzomsuv3631 You forgot Ridge Racer, Riiidge Raaaceeer.
@@michaelzomsuv3631 Forza motorsport ran at 60 pretty sure
Xbox Series S HAD a 60fps mode, but they removed that mode with the update. I don't know why, because it wasn't bad at all
Only thing I can think of is Microsoft wasnt comfortable with how low the resolution dropped when running 60fps. Still an odd choice though.
So much for 1440 at 60 fps micro was lying about
@@ReelShowtime Yeah, I'm not really sure about this myself. It must be down to either Texel fill-rate or overall bandwidth for the Series S, as it is about on par with the PS4 Pro for both of those, it does have quite a bit more pixel fill rate than the PS4 Pro or Xbox One X for what that is worth. We know on the CPU side it, the Series S, should have no issues running at 60fps, so my gut tells me it is a bandwidth issue. If that is the case, I'm betting this game is not utilizing Sampler Feedback Streaming, if it is then I'm really confused, about how all these new features work.
@@davidwooten7212 bro none of the nextgen features inside the Xbox series S is being uses in this game or any game out their period, this is a console parity / poor optimization problem
@@davidwooten7212 not one single multiplatform game out their is using the performance enhancement features or RDNA2 capabilities inside the series consoles
It's getting more and more interesting to see how last gen consoles performs with these new games.
3:58 holy crap look at rocket raccoons fur, it looks like when you turn sharpness all the way up on your tv.
I was not even thinking about even getting this game but took a chance and got it (is it perfect) no but I can’t believe how much I love this game…whoever wrote the story/dialogue deserves a raise (honestly prefer these Guardians over the MCUs) especially Drax and Gamora …
Completely agree. The devs did a great job. The people calling the devs lazy are basically just using a buzzword to explain stuff they don't understand.
"but took a chance and got it" ... on which of the old systems since DF is discussing like 7 systems with this game?!
i thought that until about 5 hrs in with all the constant bickering with your own team. It just drove me up the wall i wanted to push them off a cliff. i do still like the game it just needs less arguments lol.
Can you do a switch cloud performance? Was thinking about double dipping
This game is a little rough around the edges. there's some weird animation transitions, like when scrolling through costumes and the characters pop up from the bottom lol, not to mention those few framerate drops and rather odd character teleportations. You can make out the devs were on a tight budget. But the fundamentals and art design are so damn strong that I can't help but not give a damn. I'm guessing this was a sort of POC for Eidos Montreal and I hope they get to make a sequel with a bigger budget
Which one is the xcloud version running? It seems like it's Series S because there is no Ray Tracing option.
Playing this on games pass and one x. Got it for 150 couple of weeks ago and i have to say I am impressed. What a machine. It shows it again here.
Really regretting selling my OneX to get the SeriesS in cases like this.. Even Jedi Fallen order and Red dead redemption 2 on the SeriesS are such a major downgrade on how they looked on my OneX.. Im so torn as the SeriesS is such a neat little machine that generally loads and perforns like the iPhone of consoles but in far to many instances now the lack of actual visual output is starting to become obvious and concerning. Its such a shame that Microsoft seem to be flooding the market with the SeriesS (that yes certainly has its place) instead of putting out even a moderately steady supply of SeriesX consoles.
I agree. I got rid of my one x once I got the Series S, and was disappointed in tbe downgraded visuals. Finally got the Series X and got rid of my Series S.
Series s I believe runs one s version of backwards compatibility game is why. If resolution is your main aim keep one x till you can buy series x
@@Andre217 Only reason I opted for Series S, even though I had the One X is because I couldn't find a Series X. Then my brother got me a Series X for Christmas, so I got rid of the Series S. It was a neat , little console though. Amazing how small it is for what is inside
I feel your pain... it’s the only next gen option that’s easily attainable where I am and I tried it... the new features were cool, the load time was amazing but the games looked crap.
Ps5 soon hopefully then best of both worlds :D
Series S has and will have more titles at 60 fps. That's the advantage of this machine compared to One X.
When we getting the PC settings video?
Young Peter looks like he was based on John Connors friend from T2. I would not be happy with any game running at 30fps on the Series S regardless of resolution, that is unacceptable and does not feel like progress.
Some games just push too much, guardians just needs better optimization.
Series S ain't some super next gen machine....expecting all games to be able to run 60 on it is too much.
Radbrad said exactly the same thing about young Peter this during his walkthrough(Part 1). Wonder if the dev's modelled it after the kid.
It's can easily do 900p/60fps.... when this game had uncapped frame rate on series s it was around 50fps 1080p... if they dropped the resloution to 900p it could achive a stable 60fps!
How does the ps4 version of the game, play running on the PS5? Is the fps uncapped or locked on 30 fps?
When is Digital Foundry testing the specs of Demons of Asteborg?
i remember deus ex being one of the first 4k games for ps4 pro, which is alot more impressive to look back at today. they pushed 1800p in 2016 and most ps4 pro games after that targeted 1440p or 1080p60 modes. i think they never did a xbox one x patch for deus ex, that should still run at 900p or so on series consoles
so im not suprised they nailed the ps4 pro version again, good joob
The more demanding the game they need to drop that res a little because last gen consoles are so old now
Rule of thumb: If you enjoyed Cyberpunk 2077 with all of its issues, Guardians of the Galaxy (and pretty much every game until PS4 is no more) should be a cake walk.
At least, that's what happening to me. Few FPS drops here and there, but I develop somewhat of an inmunnity.
Great to see the 1 X get some love form a developer lol. I have to be with Dreamcast guy on this one and that is that there is far too many arguments in the game. It gets tiring when it's between your own team mates. It's funny for the first couple of hours but then just gets monotonous.
Waiting this one out for sure and not playing it on base PS4.
Im floored that it even runs on these consoles. I have it for PC but just picked up a ps4 and was wondering about the hardware. This whole time I thought the xb1 and ps4 used solid state storage. Consoles were so far behind PC and still are for that matter. I wish that the DEVs would have locked 720p for ps4. The Battles are almost impossible. Reminds me of the original last of us for ps3, yea its fps is that bad.
Playing this on my PS5, and amazed it even runs on the PS4/XBox One, but man are those textures blurry as hell on base last gen machines....
I still have my one x and just got a ps5 and I have been extremely happy with the one x I got it at launch in 2017 and it is an awesome console.
Sounds like ps4 needs to lower the DRS range to 720p-900p. That should help it perform as well as Xbox one, along with other optimizations.
Now we just need to see how the Switch version performs :)
The Cloud version? I saw some clips, for that price is a massive rip-off
@@maurilimo6370 Would be curious to know what PC hardware is running in the Switch cloud server blade configs.
One X still holding it's own I love it. Glad I got it for cheap. Forza looks amazing and the Halo tech test looked really good so I expect something similar in settings once it's out.
I still have 4 of them as well as 2 Series X once the Halo one arrives. It just got delayed 2 weeks damn it lol
@@DEVILTAZ35 no it didn't lol you getting trolled
haven't played this game on ps4 since launch and only replayed it on pc with like 80+ fps but I'm replaying it on ps4 rn and it runs surprisingly good
The PS4 Pro performance means that with even without proper optimization, the Series S should be able to do a solid 1440p output. They just didn’t bother. With even a modicum of effort put in, PS4 Pro and Series S should be on par with Series S textures being better, with the One X a step above in overall res with lower quality textures, and Series X and PS5 on top with best textures and resolution. And yet it’s not this way.
Everything about this feels like it turned out good, but….lazy?
Was gonna say the exact same thing - GPU is years ahead in architecture (only slightly behind in raw power, but should be significantly more optimized over the Pro)
On Series S the game was actually running 60 fps before an early patch capped it at 30 fps due to the framerate being a bit choppy. So that means the current Series S version has the worst of both worlds; the visuals of a performance mode and the performance of a visuals mode. It'd be like the Series X/PS5 version only having the 1080p performance mode available, except its locked to 30 fps.
This is why releasing last gen console as current gen console was a bad idea.
@@BITCOIlN it's much better than the ps4 pro and Xbox one x. Look how Xbox series s runs battlefield 2042 and how Xbox one x runs battlefield. The series s manhandles Xbox one x in battlefield,the graphics are on par with the series x in Forza and better than on the x. The one x can't even run Microsoft flight simulator While the series s can . resident evil runs at 1440p45rt and stalker 2 a next gen game with unreal engine 5 will have ray tracing on the series s. Is it a last gen console or you own an Xbox one x and you're trying to cope with the fact that the console is done. The stalker 2 devs said that it's impossible for the game to run on Xbox one lmfao
@@BITCOIlN series S isn't a last gen console. The game should probably have a 1080p60 perf mode and a 1440p30 visual mode, but the developer seems to have not allocated sufficient time to optimization. It probably won't be an issue once we can drop the old PS4/xbone consoles, that way developers just have 3 different systems to worry about.
I think you guys should revisit the game on current Gen consoles. The performance improved a lot in quality mode after Last days patch.
Sick. Series x and ps5 are better now I guess.
I wish I had that experience. Played through the Lethal Legion space battle last night on PS4 and it was easily sub 20. Could just barely squeeze through it. :(
Hoping they try to improve performance on PS5 and Series X to increase higher texture. To be at least what Pro and One X did on there quality mode .
I think the frame drops during cutscenes are an issue with the game engine, playing on my PC with very high RT at 1440p and DLSS quality I was getting between 80-90 fps, but on some cutscene it dropped down into the 40s
Your pc is ass
@@sasukegodmode7213 his PC sounds pretty good to me, way better and more capable than any of the consoles.
That's okay in my 43 inch 4k tv. This game looks good on the pro.
At 43 inches even 1080p looks pretty good still depending on how far from the tv you sit.
It's the framerate that matters though. If only the Pro had VRR like the One X does too. I don't think most people realise One X has VRR as well as the Series consoles. It has Dolby Atmos as well for supported titles.
@@DEVILTAZ35 VRR doesn't work at all in sub 30 fps, so no win in using it in this game.
Check the FPS in Nowhere and the platform chase scenes...(playing on ps4 pro)
This is exactly what I was afraid of when I “upgraded” from an Xbox One X to a Series S.
I feel pretty ripped off when my old console does much better than my “next gen” one, even though the Series S is the budget option. There’s zero reason for it to be stuck at 30fps with compromised visuals.
i dont think the series s version was ready. makes no sense at all to me when the ps4 pro has similar power and pushes much higher resolutions. before launch the series s version was 1080p 50 ish fps. but then they locked it down to 30 and just left the resolution alone. weird stuff going on here.
Definitely shitty SQ-Enix here more than anything
That's because they've boy cotting the series S, they aren't using any of the nextgen power or features in the console, this is just and simple console parity and laziness, just watch an see the difference between first party games and multiplatform game's on the series S an you'll see the first party titles will have better resolution and performance
It was launched at 60fps though? That's so dumb especially considering Battlefield is 60fps
There is a reason you can walk in Walmart and pick one off the shelves
I played about 2 hours on PS5 and immediately went into video settings and changed it to Quality mode. My friend has a 75" LG OLED which only made the game look like a freakin' movie. I saw minor performance dips, but the TV is so amazing that it corrects any potentially bad looking frames. Everything was smooth as butter. Oh, the game itself, AMAZING, after playing "The Avengers" I did not have high hopes for this one. That being said, if you tolerated that game like me, you will LOVE this one.
That's the benefit of having a good 120hz tv.Doesnt eliminate frame rate issues,but does a great job in masking them.
There is no 75” LG Oled…… 🧐
I played it at 70-90 fps on my LG 77“ oled. Gorgeous game, but you need a high spected PC for that.
@@tears2040 77 then? Idk new screen sizes, all I know is the TV is bigger than 70 inches.
@@tears2040 This TV, "LG - 77" Class C1 Series OLED 4K UHD Smart webOS TV"
1440p to 1890p on xb1x
Not bad
Xbox One X is more than capable of 60fps and 1440p or 1900p avg and medium to high settings ..without raytracing I dont why developers keep running a console with such a powerful last gen gpu is being overlooked its bs and lazy.
Credits rolling this is my GOTY contender.
PC analysis next?
Devs really seemed to have done the Series S dirty with GotG. 1080p @30 when the last gen enhanced systems can do so much better.
Maybe, I'm sure there is some optimizations that could be done, but remember the Series S only has 224GB of raw bandwidth at its disposal, about on par with the PRO. Since we know this title is not a major CPU bottleneck, I'm betting they have bandwidth issues on the Series S, that with further optimization might be sorted out to allow 60fps on that console. Also remember the Series S is neither a pixel or texel fill-rate beast, and truly is a 1080p machine. Of course I know nothing, and this is all just my guess.
@@davidwooten7212 Yeah you’re probably right tbh. I think this is where it would be good to see more 40fps games, take advantage of that HDMI 2.1 120HZ support. Insomniac did it with Rift Apart, I’d like to see GotG have that patched in.
Has Digital Foundry done any comparisons of the Switch streaming versions that Square Enix have been putting out?
If the base XBO/PS4 consoles struggle with newer releases surely a streamed Switch version becomes a more viable option for some people, and it be good to know where they stand comparatively.
Nah. The streamed version hasn't been covered yet.
It’s garbage
I saw a review and they said it was crap. I’m not sure how that even works. If it’s streamed, shouldn’t it run well as long as your internet connection is strong enough? Like say you have Gigabit internet, theoretically it shouldn’t be a low-res, poor framerate mess. But maybe I’m missing something. Maybe the host internet is crap or too many people are trying to access it, which is why it slows down. I’m not sure how it works or where it can go wrong though.
I love the game but I feel the geometry pop in(LOD) is too much even on a high end pc. They really need to add an ultra setting for pc.
I haven't noticed on 60 fps on Series X but it only runs at 1080p anyway. I am sure there would be a way to improve the PC version before too long as far as LOD handling.
@@DEVILTAZ35 Oh it's there on the series x. I've watched some play throughs to see if it has it. Even in the ship it has it. Just look at the ship cabin doors. You can see the lvl of detail pop in very close to you. on all platforms. I can understand maybe if you have to cut back a little on consoles, but i'm playing on a 3090. Give me an ultra LOD setting for gods sake.
Performance like the base Ps4 there almost makes me wonder if 20fps caps like the N64 used might honestly be preferable...?
lol no it is choppy as hell at 20 fps.
Every versions looks very playable to me but I guess in an era of gaming where even the lowest end still looks great. We have to look at the finer detail. I just find it hard to take things seriously when you say the hair looks terrible. Until recently hair was a low poly mess with a texture on top. 😂
haha yeah that is a good point. Not many games have gotten that right over the years. I particularly like Tombraider though but this doesn't seem to be the same engine.
Not so bad having a One X still but I'm definitely going to try to grab a Series X in January
Imo, it isn't worth upgrading to a Series S from the One X. Series X yes, but not Series S. I was let down when I went from One X to the Series S. I ended up getting the Series X and got rid of my Series S. I may just grab another One X for my back bedroom
@@godzilla7391 it's not intended to be an upgrade to X1X. X1X is a 4K console Series S is 1080-1440p.
If you have a 4K screen then Series S is not for you.
@@vandammage1747 Yea, I sorta knew that, but still got one anyway, maybe just itching for a new console, and I couldn't grab a Series X yet. Got the Series X later. I still think the Series S is a nice machine
@@godzilla7391 How do you call the transition from the One X to Series S an upgrade, if it’s literally an downgrade?
4K to 1440p that is.
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@@westernrev9628 Well, it is a next gen console, faster cpu, better hard drive, with newer architecture. Upgrade in some areas, and not in others, but as I said, I actually liked my One X better.
“Can it keep up?” Wasnt this a game developed for the PS4 and Xbox One lol
Well when it forces the xbone to run it at 720p (Aren't we in the year 2021? wtf is this shit) and the Ps4 cant even do 1080p I feel like it was simply designed with the limitations of those consoles in mind but really is meant to be played on more capable hardware.
@@amartinez97 This game isn't getting enough shit for how poorly it seems to run.
@@Ayoul They had to optimize this game for 8 different platforms...and a cloud version. This engine has always been a headache. Cut them some slack, they are gonna gix best they can.
This is what always happens with most cross gen games. You wanna be play to push games further, but can't leave the last gen behind. One has to suffer.
@@amartinez97 you say that but most AAA games that past 2 years have been sub-1080p on PS4. Like…this is just the nature of pushing toward the end of a gen and developers pushing games and engines harder regardless of the existence of new consoles. Whether PS5 and Series X existed or not, PS4 would fail to reach 1080p like it has with most major third party games the past few years. Developers will almost always choose to drop resolution first to save on render time before dropping settings to retain as much as the intended visual features as possible
If base Ps4 and Xbox One have to resort to Switch levels of resulution I can imagine why they were going for a cloud version for Switch, instead of an actual port.
Please they could easily make Guardians of the Galaxy game run at 1080p 30fps like every other third party switch games did and they performed surprisingly well with hardly no dips It's the dawn engine that is the problem It's not properly optimized I have seen other games perform way better than this game 🤦♂️
Anyone know why it stutters on a ps5 even at 1080p? Poor optimization perhaps ?
The low 20’s in fps on the base PS4 really does look awful.
They should of locked the ps4 version to 800p or some weird resolution lower than 900p
It's still fun on the base PS4 but it is quite glitchy for sure. The game itself is awesome and I think that's why it hasn't bothered me too much.
How come ps4 and series s has the same resloution and frame rate????????????????????,
As a Series S owner, this is a massive fucking bummer...
Weird how this game is so heavy the PS4 struggles with it. The game looks OK but it doesn't strike me as obvious what the issue is. Is all of the lighting dynamic or something? That would be a strange move for a linear story game...
The Reason why it’s sub 1080p because the artwork and design was done with next gen first priorities DF never mention the graphics inside the resolution which is colorful and busy.
Two things here. First why not just go for 720p on base PS4? Cause currently it looks like a flex gone wrong. Secondly comparing this games engine to the one used in FH5. I know it's apples to oranges, but what makes one engine so immaculately scalable while the other seems all over the place?
Basically, in racing games since the car is moving fast, there is usually a lot of motion blur involved in the images being produced. That alone can give a great performance boost, as the game doesn't then have to draw in all of those assets and textures that are being blurred, with a great amount detail. Plus, they also tend to be far more linear in scope, in that you are often closed and hemmed in, just following a track in one direction (like going one-way down a twisting corridor). Being a small area, it also saves on the amount of assets that are being used and the time used to streaming in those assets. That's why most racing games or other fast paced games with a lot of motion blur involved, usually pump out a decent level of performance.
On the other hand, slower more open games, like a sandbox game for example, usually have far more assets to handle, since you can travel across a much larger area in any direction and you can often interact with or pick up many of those in-game assets (items). These are also usually slower paced, so there's not only more far assets to draw and stream in, but because there isn't much or any motion blur involved, all of those assets then have to be drawn in, with a much higher degree of detail. This increase of course, then needs far more processing power, which then takes it out on the amount of performance that you end up getting.
Although the game engine used and fidelity of the graphics play their part, often the type of game, also greatly dictates what the performance level will be like.
@@fafski1199 Thanks for explaining.
The dude didn't answer the 720p thing. It's possible that it's a cpu bottleneck. But that's a lot of performance to be and from just 100mhz. So it's likely it may not.
Win win for everybody,devs should know by know not to turn up the resolution so much to keep a stable frame rate
When Cyberpunk hit frame-rates in the low twenties, the whole world went really hard on that company.
This game hit the low twenties and seems like everyone is fine.
Cyberpunk dropped to 15 frames per second!
Very good point though Cyberpunk 2077 dropped lower in fps than this. I think CP2077 gets a harder time because it was hyped to madness and they prevented the press from showing how the lower gen machines played it until the day of release. CP2077 played with a huge difference in the way the game looked compared to the trailers, this game looks pretty good at 22fps, while Cyberpunk 2077 at release was in a horrendous condition visually and stability wise, even after a year of patches the streets are dead and look nothing like the trailers.
Because the hype around CP2077 was absolutely through the roof, and CDPR was promising some wild stuff. They straight up lied about last-gen's performance. This game didn't do any of that.
Odd that the One X with its additional 4Gb of RAM over the 4Pro still sees asset streaming hitches.
They could have had 32GB RAM DDR6 and those streaming would have been present, because of the dreaded 5400 RPM HDD. play it of an SSD to see the difference.
I see streaming hitches on a PC with 64gb RAM and a gen 4 NVMe.
@@SimonBuchanNz yeah, a bottleneck will always be present, especially if the devs don't optimize the game and they make the game very big and very ambitious.
There will always be games which surpasses what hardware can do easily. And if you crank those games to max settings, welcome struggles and hitches.
@@ryutenmen It still hitches even on SSD but it's very brief lol .
Played on XSX and yea this game was well worth my time, unlike Avengers 🙄. But, this game needs to be optimized. I had some pretty ridiculous glitches, nothing game breaking but still...
Just finished this game about 4 hours ago (on PC). What a wild, beautiful, awesome fun ride it was!
Some levels/sets seemed undercooked, compared to some other showstopper visual delights. Ray tracing is a MUST for this title.
I can't see them adding the Ray Tracing to console version seeing it's already struggling now at just 1080p lol
Thanks my family asked me if I wanted this game for Christmas on my PS4 and I told them no I want it for PC so I can use my new graphics card on it.
I play this game on base xbox one .. it very playable even with 720p ❤
But screen loadings very annoying me
The One X Console is still a beast 🔥
The series s manhandles the one x in battlefield 2042 and it looks much better in Forza horizon 5
@@kryptex2235 lol sure
Pity it's bigger brother the Series X shows so many signs of struggling.
@@kryptex2235 forza 5 : lower resolution on series S.
@@kryptex2235 Lol the 1X has an noticeable advantage in image quality in FH5.
I wonder if an ssd would improve anything with the hitching?
I kinda want to try this with my broken (i think) hard drive in my ps4. When i play the last of us 2, all the cutscenes glitch, and other games crash and have audio mess up
It would if the hitching were to be induced by I/O bottlenecks where the HDD can't stream the data fast enough.
If depends on the game engine.
It's hitching on PS5 and XSX in places also so I would say no.
Where is the hell is the pc settings
I loved playing the game on my PS4 until the frame rate and resolution kept jumping and skipping to the point where I was barely able to play the game. It also got to the point where the game literally just broke down when I was just starting chapter 12, and then I couldn’t recover the save data in any way. I’m gonna wait til I get a PS5 to play the game
Use a SSD for most stability
Bs the game is great for ps4 if u thought this has bad framerate u should play contol on ps4 lol
yesterday my game frozen on my xbox one x in battle in chapter 8, and after restart it run without 30 fps cap, it was amazing when game could hit 60 fps in normal explorintion sections it was amazing i wish to know how to break this game again. Anyone had this magic issiue ??
Did anyone else have weird graphical bugs on PC like textures not loading in time and things in the enviroment popping in and out. Especially in the more ”complex” enviroments. The game runs fine on my 3070 but theres just graphical bugs everywhere. Its so weird im not seeing anyone talk about this.
Btw even on LOW settings its the same. The game has a serious issue for me flr some reason
I haven't run across any such issues on my 5900X/6800XT pc but there are some people having different issues on the Steam Technical Support forums. When I first got the game I had some shadow/lighting pop in issues but a driver update from AMD fixed the issue. Are you up to date on your Nvidia drivers? Have you messed with any settings in the Nvidia Control panel? I'd skim through the Steam forums maybe someone has the same issue and found a fix? Good luck.
@@TerraWare I asked in the steam forums but no answer. My system is new. I have updated the driver. I have messed around with the settings in the control panel but havent worked. Very strange
@@TerraWare I think theres something wrong with the latest driver or maybe was the case of needing to uninstall and reinstalling the game to get it working properly. Either way ive finished the game now and ill see if its the same in other games
@@thanos2715 What about other games, any similar issues?
I'm still being impressed by the 1X...
Amazing system still
@@crazykenbei now only if it had a better cpu it could have possibly even kept up with the series s :(
@@oozly9291 I feel they wanted to do that but they didn't want to conflict with the series x given their close development cycles. :(
@@oozly9291 true it is slower especially in terms of loading but honestly having had both (returner series S) games especially older ones look way better on the one X.
I’ve read that even with series S it uses the base Xbox one version of most/all? Games that aren’t series S/X optimised....
Not me
Is disaapointing to see this game not well optimized, hopefully the next patches are going to improve the experience of the game in last gen consoles. I was thinking to buy this game but I will have to wait.
Triple a titles never have run well on trashy last gen consoles, they are terrible and always will be. Blame the console not the game.
@@Stevgogo77 Spiderman runs just fine, same with Forza. Developers have had years with these last gen consoles, they should know how to optimize properly by now.
@@gr4vity649 dude look at the detail in this game, poly count seems to be off the charts even higher than doom eternal...
@@gr4vity649 lmao throws out two first party games! Third party and first party are different. Demanding cry babies just sitting in their house bitching about shit they don't understand. Gamers 101.
@@buttermilk5364 If a game doesn't run well, it's the developers fault for not optimizing it well enough. Period. Doesn't matter if it's a first or third party developer.
Hmm, I've used 1800P, 1728P, and 1620P on PC. I'm going to try this new 3360X1890P in custom resolution.
If you want to save a little performance try 21:9 resolutions on a 16:9 display. You get black bars but you can get a nice boost to FPS.
@@brewski535 Yeah I've tried that before, however 1728 is more performant and not every game displays on 21:9. I have AMD 6700XT and Nvidia RTX 2070 on my two rigs. The 2070 hits 60 FPS at 1728P with medium shadows the rest set to high. My 6700XT can hit 4K 60 in most titles. 1800P is my common resolution at max setting on my 6700XT. Unfortunately the 6700XT sucks at RT so I might drop to 1296P, 1440P with medium high settings in older RT titles. Newer RT titles such as The Ascent, Rift Breakers, and Far Cry 6, the 6700XT does well at 1728P - 1800P with high/ultra settings with RT on.
@@brewski535 Refreshing to hear others do the same - I frequently use 21:9 / Ultrawide custom resolutions on a 16:9. I've largely given up suggesting it as it's usually met with scepticism or outright denial that it's technically possible.
@@MBeeching It's possible in the vast majority of games. Not all support 21:9 ultra wide resolutions though so you might end up with black bars on all sides instead of just the top and bottom. There are other caveats too; most games will need FOV adjustments and HDR doesn't always work at custom resolutions.
Some games have huge performance gains (Cyberpunk is one of them if I remember), in others the difference is relatively minor/not really worth it. It depends on how the game engine scales with resolution.
It's a great way to save performance without resorting to resolutions that incorrectly scale to your monitor and cause "upscale blur".
Death standing on PS5 is a recent high profile example that demonstrated performance is significantly better in an ultra wide scaled resolution and allows for a clean/non blurry image.
I'm thinking about doing a Reddit post regarding this at some point, I'm not sure many people realise/think of it as a possibility. Many developers could include this as an option on console too in order to achieve their frametime budgets. The aging last gen consoles could really benefit, an extra 10-30% performance with no blur seems like a no-brainer to me. It also helps give games that filmic look...
@@brewski535 I tried 3360X1890P and was impressed with the results. Looked native and in Forza Horizon 5 it allowed me to lock to 60 using a mix of high and ultra settings. Average was 68.1 FPS at 1890P in FH5. 4K my average was 61 FPS with regular dips into the mid 50s.
What a pleasant (and gut-punching) surprise this game's story ended up being. It also looks great on PS5 despite some occasional glitches and bugs.
Why does the mirror scene tank considering it's not raytraced?
It could be a memory issue on PS4 . Depending on how they do the mirroring it can be really taxing. The low res of the Xbox One probably helps it alot and the extra grunt of the One X along with extra memory would assist that too.
6:58 Sure the words might be clearer on the Series S side but everything else looks better on the One X side. Everything looks jagged or kind of pixelated on the Series S side.
Yeah but it's not just the text it's also some things like texts on books and little stuff like that where text is on or something I think it's like that to put the one s in a better spotlight im sure one x can handle the same I mean come on they just need to tweak the game a little bit because I'm sure it can look like series x on one x just with 30 fps and no Ray tracing! ( I'm not even sure if it has Ray tracing at this point)
Get over it. One X is outdated.
@@UNPOCOLOCO444 Get over what? That you left a pointless reply?
I wish they put more effort into the series s version
Pls make a pc optimization video
On a hole the game looks good but in badly need to be optimised
Performance wise, anything below the last gen enhanced consoles looks like a pass.
PS5/XSX
X1X
XSS/PS4 Pro
X1S
PS4
Shame but hopefully some patches can fix it.
How's it running on PC?
Its Running great on the RTX 2060 (laptop) so it probably great on the desktop version of this Card. I did run it on the 1660TI desktop card, It was kinda ok, can't complain, but you need a good CPU.
@@mdu2486 same, 1080p ultra without rtx with 1660ti with i7 10700k getting locked 60fps in most scenes, these console people think optimization is magic..
@@niks660097 yep. Its basically just having good enough hardware in most cases, sadly these consoles have overstayed their welcome.
"On a hole" is hilarious.
1440p 90/100fps maxed out (rt on + dlss quality) on a rtx 3070, the game is beautiful when maxed out and it's really stable framerate/frametime, the only framerate issue that I've got is on the cutscene at the beginning level, when the "big fish" is attacked by something (trying to not spoil xD), at 8:00 you can see the end of the cutscene, when the camera look for the guardians of the galaxy my framerate was cutted in half without any reason and after all of that I finished the game in 20h without other issue (something softlock and one crash but not big issue)
Easily my GOTY, i don't know why it isn't more hyped
Xbox One S visuals look so bad it brought me back to the PS3 and 360 generation, when most games ran at super low resolutions, framerate around the 20s and no AA, a trademark of that generation.
Am I the only one who thinks the xbox one version still looks beautiful? Like yes it isn't as good as ps5 but it's a beautiful game with its art direction and its preserved on xbox one really well.
I'm still rocking my Xbox One S and it looks amazing at 1080p 😍👍 Which is hooked up to my 50 inch Sony Bravia X85J 😍👍
It is a shame that such a great game is that poorly optimized on most machines.
- When 4K30 on PS5 and XSX runs mostly perfectly it cannot be that they run poorly with 1080p60 with less detail on the same machines.
- Same with the comparison of Xbox One X and Xbox Series S where One X delivers a much cleaner picture. They were just lazy on Series S and prioritized the wrong settings (basically XSX settings with a lower resolution - instead should have opted for the Xbox One X settings).
Hope your video helps with convincing the devs to patch all this issues.
They should've done 1080p60 and 1440p30 for the series s
Should of done 1400 p 60fps on series x
One year on and ot seems that the series s is a next gen console in name alone.