The Penelope Featherington/Lady Danbury Friendship Forsaken by Netflix (Bridgerton Season 3 Review)
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Colin Bridgerton (Luke Newton) and Penelope Featherington (Nicola Coughlan) star in Netflix's Bridgerton season 3, following in the footsteps of Anthony Bridgerton (Jonathan Bailey) and Kate Sharma (Simone Ashley), and Simon Basset (Regé-Jean Page) and Daphne Bridgerton (Phoebe Dynevor).
In this video, I discuss the friendship between Penelope Featherington and Lady Danbury that was a recurring storyline in "Romancing Mister Bridgerton" but has not been shown thus far in season 3 of the Netflix series! Subscribe for more to come!
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I can imagine Lady Danbury acting as a Fairy Godmother in Benedict’s season. We saw her forcing him to escort her, so I can see that morphing into a teasing relationship. Then, she could potentially be a family friend of Sophie’s father and Lady Danbury could be helping her in her journey. Something like that
I haven't read book 3 so I have nothing to say about Benedict's season (yet) other than I WOULD LIKE TO WATCH IT 😂
That would be fun.
I would love to see this banter between them in his season.
I always imagined her fairy godmother as someone who worked with her. Also, lady Danbury was BARELY helpful in season 2 idk if I trust her with more mentor duties
@@erinandthe1580 this is why I want Madame Delacroix to take on the fairy godmother role!
@@rw835 omg that’s interesting. But I mean madame Delacroix did sleep with Benedict… I was thinking Mrs Wilson if she’s living in Bridgerton house
It's so weird how in book 1 and 2 LD was barely there and yet they managed to incorporate her into Simon's and Kate's life very well in the show (cause she is an interesting character, so of course it was a good idea), but in the respective season to book 4 where she has an actually important role from the source material they decided to not even have her talk to the main characters at all and completly away from their story/the main plot.
If her kids/family were constantly around, I of course would've expected to see more of that as her storyline but seasons 1-2 basically set her up as a mentor to help these young, foolish people get out of their own way (while being impeccably dressed!) 😆
I totally agree .Lady D was a big part of book 3 .
Sorry meant book 4
Penelope and lady Danbury are basically best friends by the end of book 4 and literally named her child after her. I don’t get how they could take out that relationship. I saw an interview and one of the show runners said they wanted lady Danbury to have her own storyline instead of being wrapped up in the love story of the main couple. Except that Francesca is her pet project for the season. So she still has a pet project. But it’s not Penelope. Why would they do that? If she is supposed to have her own storylines and not be involved in the love story of the season, why is she involved with Francesca at all? She has a conversation in the spinoff where Violet mentions Penelope off handedly and then tells the queen Penelope’s name. But they have never spoken even a passing hello to each other. So sad. :(
@@Useruser444-n2c. Really missed opportunity, if you ask me.
But then, I thought that Kanthony not having a wedding day was a miss too. Maybe I have a different view than the writters.
The biggest issue I have show Penn in the book is that they write her as an alienated loser when in the books she is part of the Bridgerton family loosely in the beginning and much more as the books progress. Penn is also good friends with Francesca. They are a trio of Eloise, Pen and Franchesca. I have no idea why they deverge this much from the books. I would like the show if I didn’t read the books but as a book reader the best storylines got trashed.
I had issues with some of the ways certain storylines unfolded and then I read the book and went "Oh so that thing I wanted to see was already canon" 😂
(Not applicable to EVERYTHING of course since I wanted to see Benedict/Mondriches and Penelope/Madame De La Croix friendships which were NOT storylines in the book but still! Other things I wanted to see and/or ended up liking WERE in the book! 😆🤷🏻♀️)
In TVWLM Kate looks at Anthony as a hero when he rescues Pen from Cressida, if you want to read the scene that Pen recalls to Lady Danbury.
I've read book 2 but I haven't read it since back when I was working on videos about season 2. I vaguely remember that scene though. 😊
I hope to see the lady danbury and Penelope friendship in part 2.
I feel now Lady Danbury can respect her after seeing she did not need her help in the matchmaking and is left impressed. Now she is curious about Ms. Featherington, I mean Ms. Bridgerton (hopefully).
And considering that Lady Danbury was part of the LW plot, I get them saving it for part 2, but there should had been a couple scenes in seasons 2 and 3 establishing their friendship to show some of their similarities like the book did.
I agree!! I think we didn't get enough of Penelope as a character and they could've used a maternal substitute character as a way to develop her personality more. Making her love story even better
Yet again a fabulous video. The fact lady Danbury didn't have a relationship with anyone in the coupling for S1 or 2 in the books yet they put that in, and then removed the connection to penelope when there was one in the book is so fustrating.
I wish we could've seen this in the show, or like you say, more of the relationship between madam delacroix and penelope
It's literally 2:30am in my country and this is the perfect video to sleep to perfect timing thankss😊
HAHAHA I promise I don't mind if you wait till you've had a full night's sleep to watch this. 😂
I really liked the connection between Lady Danbury and Penelope. The book has more 21st century banter. I'm not sure I like it. The show carries more traditional dialect and conversation of the period. I.agree with you on giving Pen more female support in the season.
I’m brand new to your channel and in the first minute and thirty seconds you said everything I’ve ever wanted to hear from a creator who makes pop culture content 😭
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yeah.. i was so disappointed with no interaction between the two, it was my fav in the book. also, the removal of felicity?? the only family member of penelope who is truly kind to her???
I think (i hope) they may take the opportunity to explore this friendship in season 4. Now that Penelope is revealed I think her interacting more with the queen and lady D would be a good direction to go.
"The entire marriage mart premise is sexist, and none of those characters have the class consciousness to burn the system to the ground, so the key to making us as the audience fall more in love with those characters despite their obscene amount of privilege is to focus instead on the love and camaraderie they have for one another, and if we could have seen more of this intergenerational women solidarity, I would have loved to watch that." YES
Quoted from the artle I linked “We felt like we’ve watched two seasons of Lady Danbury being heavily involved in molding or shaping the main couple and we wanted to give her a storyline that was more about her,” Brownell said. “And not just about her being an accessory on the sidelines to someone else’s story. We wanted to put her more front and center.”
I can’t fully comment on this talking point because I’m still under embargo for part 2 so I will instead ask you for your impression of part 1 (there’s no ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ answer, it’s 100% your opinion): Do you feel like she has had an interesting “front and center” storyline in these first four episodes?
@@LadyJenevia No not in thr first four but I do assume that her storyline referenced here is what the last four will bring with her brother and the details of their issue. I haven't read the books and don't know if I will given how I've seen folks who have on socials as of late but regardless I do overall want Lady Danbury to have her own. She already has the Bridgerton's she looks out for and I enjoy that for reasons beyond them.*Her connection to their grandfather is why, I like to think). Pen can and should have more friends as you said but it can very well be a many of the other young ladies old and new in a show that takes its own liberties. It doesn't have to be Lady Danbury just because it was in the books
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Without spoiling, what is the premise? How long is it? Where can we watch it?
Thanks :)
@@elisa4620 I watched it on All4 (not sure about alternatives outside of Britain). It's 6 episodes, each about 40 minutes long, and it revolves around a group of elderly friends who make a pact to help end each other's life if they ask for it. There's not a lot of gore and there are good jokes in there but it is very heavy given the subject matter.
It took me reflecting after the first half of the season came out that something was missing. And it was Lady Danbury and Penelope's friendship. And I'm sad it's not in the show because that element of the story is what made me want to read Penelope's book. I get not wanting to have Lady danbury this close to another main love story, but it's something I think the show is lesser for not including or finding some other relationship to replace it with
I didn’t read book 2… But got the impression that the relationship between pen and lady D was sort of given to Kate and Lady D, or did they actually have that relationship in Anthony’s book?
I am glad you are pointing out all of the problems in this show. I was never a big fan of Julia Quinn's books but they sure were better than the current series.
Yeah it would have made more sense if she went to Lady Danbury about trying learning how to attract a man or you know finding a match. Lady Danbury seems to be the top Matchmaker lady and since they were friendly and past seasons. (I don't really recall them interacting much in the second) she probably would have been more willing to help and it makes more sense for her to go to instead of Colin.
Could I read the Book about Penelope and Colin without reading the other books?
Isn’t the friendship thing with Genevieve delaquiox they’ve given her that instead I think.
How much do I have to donate to Gaza to get you to just read the whole series to me? I love how you narrate.
Can someone please tell me the purpose of the queen of the season? Im aware that she's helping Francesca find a husband cause she the diamond/sparkler. However, in season's 1 and season 2 the queen was hunting lady whistlwdown. It was never said but the vibe around rhe matter made it seem as if queen Charlotte would ruin the person/family responsibile and since she is a queen maybe even "end" them. I know this kinda show wont go so far as to end Penelope but Im concerned as to why the threat of the queen is gone. It was in the book and show but this seasons its almost like the writers want to undo that. Correct me if Im wrong but this season make it seem like the queen wishes to become allies with the person in her kingdom whose has insulted her multiple times....
I agree that the relationship between Lady Danbury and Penelope is an unfortunate erasure in the show (my guess is they wanted to get rid of all of Penelope‘s friends so she‘d be left with nobody but Colin to lean on in her search for a husband). One thing I don‘t love about the book and these conversations between Penelope and Lady Danbury is that we are always being told that Penelope is very sharp but honestly I don‘t see her saying that many witty or exceptionally intelligent things. The same is actually true for Lady Danbury - we are continuously being told that she is very intelligent but to me she mostly sounds very full of herself. In my opinion her character is infinitely improved by being played by Adjoa Adoh who convinces me of her intelligence when the book couldn‘t. It‘s a common feature in romance storytelling that we are being told a female character is smart with little concrete evidence of that fact - I often feel the writing would need to be a lot sharper itself to make this more convincing. I‘m not wowed by Penelope pointing at Lady Danbury as Lady Whistledown. It‘s the most obvious guess available.
Well, to be frank, in my humble opinion, the books ain't that good. And it is difficult to have someone seem particularly witty when everyone is somewhat witty.* Makes it harder for them to stand out in that way.
And yeah, I liked Pen and Lady D in the books I have read and they had some good lines but didn't seem exceptionally brilliant either. None of them did but we are constantly said that they are...
Also, yes, Lady D in the books while entertaining can come off as arrogant and full of herself.
*But then again witty dialogue is the only thing the books really have for them, IMHO.
Yes i didn't like that Penelope didn't have any women friends besides eloise, then just to be taken away 😢 love lady Danbury she is my hero lol ❤
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It was a complete insult they erased their friendship. It was part of character development for Penelope and a very VERY important part of their future family. I mean, they NAMED their daughter after her. I’m very disappointed.
I didn't know about the naming-daughter thing until viewers put it in my comments (but that's not really a spoiler I minded learning about early since the main thing I don't want to know before watching the season is the core love story of each book when it's happening 😆).
That's definitely a major trivia detail that I would've assumed the people making the show know about? I'm not sure, though, since I haven't looked that deeply into it.
@@LadyJenevia There is a science to why Shondra Rhimes chose to make Penelope alone. I actually had a friend like Eloise who was pretty and privileged but never hung around equally beautiful girls. Girls like Eloise actually keep you single until they're no longer in your life.
Well I assume she might be named Genevieve now? 🤷
IK
I feel like LadyD/Penelope relationship was sacrificed to her having to play off the Queen.... but I was so disappointed when the Queen actually notices Penelope & LadyD sort of dismissed her (it's her 3rd year out, so not worth considering)😢 Even if they felt they needed the "sparkler" plot, couldn't they have thrown us at least 1 scene, where Lady says something to Pen that builds her confidence like she does in the book
Word. I was like, "They were good friends in the book. What happened?"
And then they contradicted it completely in part 2....
It is kind of odd Lady D was focused on Francesca even though Lady B was actively working on Franchesca’s match. Pen has been on the marriage mart for 3 seasons now. Pen, for sure, could have used Lady D's expertise more than Francesca 🧐
Yeah, I really fooled myself into thinking LD and the queen would somehow be involved with Pen considering they were involved with the main couples of the previous seasons. So when they both talked about Pen in ep1 I really thought they would head in a direction like "instead of picking a dimond we'll do something different and try to marry off the wallflower" like, as a "challenge" and Pen would then struggle to write good things about her being "the queen's project" in LW due to her low self steam, then instead of Colin teaching her to be helself it would be LD. That while Violet helps Francesca who doesn't like the spotlight, so is trying to go barely noticed by the ton. But I was wrong and it was more the opposite, the queen and LD were placed in the Francesca plot and Violet was the one who helped Colin lol.
@@Ana_Paula.Frasson Facts! The piano scene was cute, but they could still have helped Pen. Multitask people 😆
I understand the importance of Penelope and Lady Danbury's relationship in the books. It was nice, but I must say since Lady Danbury is a black woman in the show, I don't necessarily like the concept of her main purpose constantly being the stereotypical and borderline racist trope of being the magical black person who is always helping others find happiness and never getting a chance at real happiness of her own. And that is saying it in the nicest way. Queen Charlotte really started this disdain for the fact that they only really give Lady story if she is suffering or being the help of others, and I'm over it. I need more for her.
Oh I DESPISED her material in the QC spin-off. I have absolutely nothing nice to say about what they did to her (except for the fact that the actress they cast to play her is great!)
I usually don't bring it up at this point because it feels like kicking a hornet's nest but I really thought that after the enormous backlash they got for THAT part of the story in season one (the backlash was so big that even I was aware of it and I didn't even start watching the show until the immediate lead-up to season two) that they would've known better than to go and do THAT in the Bridgerton-verse AND YET...??
I can't fully give my opinions about Lady Danbury's season 3 storyline though (YET) because of the review embargo but I'll see how the viewers feel about it once the episodes are out and my episode 5-6 review gets published.
I actually dont care what color she is, she is like an aristocratic, half polite Auntie Mame and I wish they had kept that in the first half. Old enough to be politely rude and people to think any eccentricities are merely age.
@@heathercontois4501 You're missing my point entirely. Race does matter and should be considered when you are casting POC for roles that were originally written for white characters. That hasn't been considered with Lady Danbury and it has been a disservice to her character on Bridgerton and Queen Charlotte.
@@veronicaknowsbest I think Lady Danbury is less of a fairy godmother type and more of pillar of society that enjoys meddling in the marriage mart. In the Bridgerton world matchmaking is power and Agatha likes to flex her status in a benign way. Also, I would have loved to see her get closer to Penelope and be astute enough to realize she and Colin were a thing before anyone else. I also think it would have been cool for her to form suspicions about Whistledown and use her influence to help defuse the situation.
100% agree about her being the magical black person of this series (considering she’s the only main black character makes it even worse) and being happy that she wasn’t used in this sense for Colin and Penelope’s season, but they still kinda used her like that for Francesca’s storyline so it completely negates what they’ve said they’re trying to do with her (which is have her own storyline). This makes me even more annoyed, because if you’re still gonna have her as the magical black person, have it be with the main characters and not a side plot that most don’t care about as much🤷🏾♀️
I think if one dialogue they should have had was to have Pen speak to lady Danbury about how the Bridgerton helped her over the years but to show how she is trying to not rely on them too much ever since her relationship with Eloise ended and post Colin training
And Lady Danbury always seems to have a sense of who's who, what's going on, etc. in the ton ~ we saw that in season 2 when she was giving the Sharmas everyone's information so they could scope out potential suitors for Edwina. You don't just magically download that information into your brain overnight. She was also going over suitors with Charlotte in season 3 so YEAH, let her have a conversation with Penelope! Even if it wasn't a full-blown storyline, would it have hurt to do ONE conversation to give a wink and a nod to the book readers? 😂
@@LadyJeneviaAnd o è very short conversation is exactly what we had...
One of the things Ive missed most about the adaptation is the Lady Danbury / Penelope friendship.
Lady D is my favorite character. I'm loving season 3, but it is disappointing she's so far from the main story this time. Is it possible this might change in the latter part of the season?
I hope to see a future video where you roast the costumes in this season. I usually don't think about the costume designing, but this season's looks are giving "We wish we were at the Met Gala."
With all the analyses I've been doing characters/storylines, the costumes have BARELY been on my mind. 😂
I miss Kate's VIBRANT colourful outfits but I suppose they were pushing towards the "fusion" angle of blending her aesthetic with the Bridgerton blue so I haven't said as much about that (plus she's barely in season 3 so there isn't as much material to judge) 👀🤭
I was so pissed they changed this! Ioved this in the book!
How come in season 1 & 2 they managed to give Lady Danbury a important role and connection to the main characters (that did NOT exist in the books they´re based on) but when it comes to season 3 Lady Danbury has no impact on neither Colin nor Penelope (unlike in the book this season is based on). I mean in the books Colin and Penelope name their first daughter (and first child) Agatha, after Lady Danbury. Like how are they gonna do that? Are they even gonna do that? I hope that they stick to the gender, names and ages of Polins children to their book counterpart (yes I know that Polins first child then would be born pretty late but idk). With Simon and Daphne it makes sense for changing the gender of their first child from female to male bc A LOT of symbolism etc. But Polin doesn´t need that. The producers probably give Prudence and Filipa girls and Pen a boy but tbh Pen doesn´t need that. She doesn´t want and doesn´t need the Featherington title and estate
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Is mimosa with brunch an American thing? I've had quite a few brunches at different establishments and none of them served mimosa with it. I've seen a few with prosecco, but that's the only alcoholic drink I've ever encountered at brunch.
Yes it is, champagne and orange juice or Bloody Mary (tomato juice with extra stuff and vodka) are classic American brunch drinks
While I would have loved to see the Penelope-Lady Danbury friendship from the book, I loved Penelope and Genevieve de la Croix. And wouldn't have minded more of it. It's not the same as Pen and Agatha, but Gen is the older woman supporting and giving advice to the younger one.
I also enjoyed the one scene between Pen and Fran. Again wouldn't have minded more of it.
Or the Lady D Violet friendship... And generally speaking, yes, any time they show more female friendships in a positive, uplifting way was great. More. Of. It.
I am amused that most os the things you miss from the book include Colin beingv"dragged"😂. I do think he got it too easy in the show, though.
A bit of dragging is FUN! Mr. Darcy got deservedly roasted more than once for being obnoxious, rude, judgemental, etc. but he’s still a highly beloved romantic lead. It’s part of the journey of the endgame love story! 😂
@@LadyJenevia Agreed :)
Season 3 is sub par compared to seasons 1and 2. It feels rushed and I don’t feel the chemistry between Colin and Penelope. I like the actors and they have chemistry in cast interviews but it doesn’t transfer over to the characters. Maybe part 2 will be better 👰🏼🤵🏻
The developers sacrificed Lady Danbury to increase the Queen. I think that was too bad. Lady Danbury was such a good character in the books. We only see glimpses of her acerbic tongue and her wisdom in the various episodes.
But this is an obvious consequence of how the show built the other relationships. Queen Charlotte gave us so much background that didn't exist in the original books, it essentially changed the characters, especially the queen and Lady Danbury. She has her established relationships. She was so present in the first two storylines because they were her family (or as good as). But she has no established relationship with Penelope. And they changed the whole plot of how the romance happens, with the whole husband search thing (a positive change in my opinion made necessary by the timeline and previous events), so the triggers to Colin's realization of his feelings also change. Trying to fit Lady D into all this would've made it clunky and awkward. Going forward in the show, there will be more and more changes, as any adaptation of a long story must have. You HAVE to take those for granted and understand that the show has inevitably morphed into something different than the books.
Totally agree! Either Lady D or Madame D would have made more sense than the stupid plot of Colin giving Pen "lessons" which never really happened anyway. All we needed for the Colin plot was to have him get jealous when she starts to attract suitors, and then let her girlfriends help her. I esp missed Madame D, she was so great in seasons 1 and 2.
They could have left out Lady Danbury's brother plot line or had Penelope and Lady Danbury start their bond over the fact that they don't get along with their siblings
I think it lady D’s friendship with the queen why they opted out of friendship with Penelope. In the books it seemed like lady D knew that Penelope was whistledown.
Charlotte takes over as the one offering the reward & the amount is bigger on the show at £5000 instead of the £1000 in the book
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would have loved to see Lady Danbury and Pen be allies!
Thanks for this! I agree!
Drove me nuts whilst watching part 2 of season 3 that Cressida Cowper of all people seemed to be the only person talking about the importance of female friendships, how society then heavily pins women shading each other. But then they couldn’t even show the friendship Penelope has with Lady Danbury in the show💀💀 insane
Cressida was surprisingly self-aware for a bully.
And I'm tired of their "telling over showing", "trying to be woke feminists but failing at it and/or overdoing it" tendencies.
I think the reason Lady Danbury doesn’t take notice of Penelope and Collin in the show is that she is focused on executing the Queen’s plans for the “sparkler” match, which she hopes will be the man she chose for Francesca. I’m thinking Lady Danbury will make a funny remark about how she didn’t realize or knew they’d end up together at some point in part 2, like a random remark to tie to the book but might feel random to viewers that haven’t watched the show. I haven’t seen part 2 yet, just a gut feeling 🤞
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I sooo wanted a Lady Danbury friendship 😢 it's a great loss for the season
All these videos are inching me into being convinced I should read the books.
They honestly did miss out on alot with lady D not just with pen but with kate this season i genuinely think kate could be sort of a prodigy for lady D she resembles her in many ways while pen is very similar to violet in alot of ways. About pen i kinda am not that bothered by it and it's mostly because book pen has not been kind to her own gender and most of her victims have been women so i think isolating her from women is important in showing that she is distant from her peers and is why she's so free in being cruel to them sometimes as opposed to eloise who's now trying to be closer to women , pen i think views women as more of an enemy than men because the people who hurt her most were women and i think it's necessary for her to realise this and start fixing it and redeeming herself before she can be close to women again
She is also king to other women.
She has been shown several times, in persona and through LW to be kind to other women.
The only women she has been un king to where her bullies (Cressida, her family and to some extent Marina) or when trying to help/save someone she cared about (Eloise, Colin).
So I don't think that she should be alienated from other women as she is not better or worst than them in that regard.