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  • @abv250
    @abv250 День тому +396

    no, you are getting it wrong. it is not that most dem women or most women favor abortion in all circumstances. it is that they feel the decision about that should be for them, their doctors, and their families to make and not the government.

    • @patriciarmuller6283
      @patriciarmuller6283 День тому +44

      YES!

    • @Tina06019
      @Tina06019 День тому +44

      THIS is the truth.

    • @Magpie-1111
      @Magpie-1111 День тому +65

      Exactly this. There should be (nearly) no need for elective abortion - education and readily available contraception can prevent pregnancy. But every woman should make her own decisions for her own body, no exceptions. If men are worried about abortions then they can all get vasectomies.

    • @homerroad
      @homerroad День тому +43

      They are getting it WRONG. But, you have five men on this "show"......Why?

    • @annejohnson5875
      @annejohnson5875 День тому

      What are these people talking about? Roe had a 24 week ban and that is all they are saying. Such gaslighting language from a woman.

  • @jennifergeorge7641
    @jennifergeorge7641 День тому +273

    Gaslighting language of an abuser. That pitch to women made my skin crawl

    • @newdawn7586
      @newdawn7586 День тому +36

      It was so gross.

    • @kipgardner6230
      @kipgardner6230 День тому +1

      I'm a 66 y.o. man, and it was one of the creepiest, sickest things I've ever heard from a political candidate. If anyone had any doubt that he's a Predator and a Serial Rapist, well, that should have been a wake up. Vance refers to women as 'females' because he views them as livestock.

    • @juliasimpson1759
      @juliasimpson1759 День тому +28

      Mine too! Really creepy.

    • @carolmckee8456
      @carolmckee8456 День тому +17

      Sounded like a Lifetime movie.

    • @joannel.6008
      @joannel.6008 День тому +32

      I’m exactly the woman he’s trying to sway - swing state security mom - and I’m completely repelled.

  • @Alaska551
    @Alaska551 День тому +148

    Trump is insulting women every day!

    • @michaelmeroyers5487
      @michaelmeroyers5487 День тому +7

      and what rumpled doesn’t do, Vance does and together they repel All Women of All Ages

  • @alicepotter8165
    @alicepotter8165 День тому +123

    The protector comment made my skin crawl.

    • @markg.7865
      @markg.7865 День тому +2

      It's like Gen. George Custer saying, he's the protecter of Native Americans!!

    • @sylvanwoods5271
      @sylvanwoods5271 19 годин тому +3

      Yes, me too! Especially since I've felt less safe than I ever have in my life since DJT started his run for the 2016 presidency. Plus, it just made me want to vomit.

    • @Poemi10304
      @Poemi10304 54 хвилини тому

      Everything about Convicted Felon Trump makes my skin crawl. There's nothing about him that doesn't.

  • @burntorangehorn
    @burntorangehorn День тому +102

    Mona, the reason some people are against restrictions on abortion is because they've seen that exceptions don't work. Women don't go around carrying pregnancy for 30 or 35 weeks and then getting an abortion on a whim. Exceptions. Don't. Work.

    • @Jbal8924
      @Jbal8924 День тому +13

      YES - such an important point!

    • @MelchiorTheMagnificent
      @MelchiorTheMagnificent День тому

      THANK YOU for making the point that no, people are NOT getting "abortions on demand up until the moment of birth" or whatever nonsense Republicans keep parroting. Over 90% of abortions occur within the first 20 or so weeks. If there are complications 8 or 9 months in, the doctors do everything they can to save the baby and deal with the complications as necessary because that baby was probably WANTED. 6 or 7 months in is a rare time for a pregnancy to be deliberately ended, but if the fetus is not viable and won't survive either way, do you just shrug and get ready to bury a living adult who has loved ones and responsibilities to return to?
      And it's not just exceptions for the health of pregnant people that don't work. How are you supposed to prove you were raped and need an exception? If there's a statewide or nationwide ban at 16 weeks in effect, and you only find out around week 8 or so that you're definitely pregnant and need to act now, are the courts supposed to convict your rapist and grant permission for you to get an abortion within the next month or so? Because then you still need time to schedule the procedure, too.
      What the hell are you supposed to do to prove you "deserve" an abortion, and who are we to decide for you whether you "deserve" one or not? Everyone's circumstances and every pregnancy is different. Our laws and government simply cannot keep up with every possible case, and monitor every pregnancy to determine who must be forced to carry to term and who "deserves" to have their own choice respected.
      No one is forcing you to abort your rapist's child if you strongly believe that the child should not pay for the sins of the rapist. And no Democrat is forcing an abortion onto you if it's your own health and body that's really making the choice. But forcing someone to co-parent with their rapist, or wait until their body begins to shut down before you even try to save them, is beyond cruel. See how individual choice is something that works for everyone, while exceptions in an otherwise restrictive setting don't?

    • @RuthmarieHicks
      @RuthmarieHicks День тому

      @burntorangehorn - I was in the medical science field. Not an MD or even a clinician, but I know a lot of clinicians. I promise you that late-term abortions don't happen unless there is something very wrong with the fetus. It is an NON-ISSUE. And the infanticide that Trump describes is pure fantasy.

    • @glennmorgan4197
      @glennmorgan4197 20 годин тому +10

      To me, the worst part about it is additional trauma on top of such a painful situation as losing a much wanted child. I get really angry when I think about someone forcing their religious ideology in between me and my wife, and our doctor.

    • @BlueEyes7824
      @BlueEyes7824 14 годин тому +2

      Former Republican here. I used to be moderate on abortion, believing it should be legal, but in favor of limits. Now, I would say No Limits because the GOP can’t be trusted. If we could have readily available contraceptives (including Plan B), sex education in all schools (age appropriate, informative, and not relying on abstinence), and exceptions for rape, incest, health of the mother and non-viability of the fetus, THEN we can talk about limits. I used to worry about abortion being used as birth control. I realize now it’s none of my business why a woman would seek an abortion; that’s between a woman and her doctor, and frankly I trust them to make that decision more than the government.

  • @Magpie-1111
    @Magpie-1111 День тому +83

    I’m not pro-abortion, not by any means. But I am pro get-the-F-out of my business.

    • @HWolfe
      @HWolfe 20 годин тому

      I love your reply, next time I am hit between the eyes before hardly a hello because I am older, gotta steal a variation of this from you…lol.

    • @ChristyMorris-rh7rq
      @ChristyMorris-rh7rq 16 годин тому

      Absolutely!!!

  • @mgregory2430
    @mgregory2430 День тому +94

    Also, in this panel, where is the vaunted U.S. diversity? Good to see a traditional discussion of women’s issue with 80% of the panelists being men. /s
    Did the Bulwark editors notice that?

    • @AlvaSudden
      @AlvaSudden День тому +9

      I was just getting started in my career when Mona Charen published a book : "Sex Matters: How Modern Feminism Lost Touch with Science, Love, and Common Sense." It criticized women in the workplace & unnecessarily dissected everything women did.. I am still waiting for an apology from Charen, who took all the advantages won by feminists and then decided to take ride on the always-popular trend of dumping on women. If Trump is elected, look for Charen to go back to critically pointing out all the ways in which women are not perfect.

    • @siouxrose7766
      @siouxrose7766 22 години тому +5

      @@AlvaSudden --The prejudices, limitations, and perspectives of patriarchy have dominated the collective consciousness (and that means public conversations) for centuries. It's like getting an ocean liner to change its course.
      Also, there are far more rewards for women who side with the status quo than for those who break free to expose the Light of a higher consciousness.
      The emphasis on all things male along with the asymmetry of the masculine perspective is WHY gun rights are upheld over children's safety; and why the macho stance in everything from football to militarism dominates our nation's priorities. It's why the Pentagon is yet to be audited and why money is unquestionably allocated to the War Machine while things as significant as supplemental school lunch programs for marginal children are heavily debated.
      It's why the armed forces are a staple of the nation while national health CARE is not.

    • @lisanunlist9510
      @lisanunlist9510 20 годин тому +4

      @@AlvaSuddenThat does it: Alberta & Stein’re terrific, but NO CLICKS for Mona. Buh-bye 👋

    • @hcoughing
      @hcoughing 16 годин тому

      legit looked for a contact email for them (which is oddly absent from anywhere on their website that I can find...) and then tweeted this sentiment which I couldn't agree with more (see my rant above lol). i really hope someone reads those messages. Frankly I think their audience deserves an apology for this. Just recognize that you hear and see how f*cking tone deaf and irresponsible this type of commentary is. The Bulwark is part of the problem with this one.

    • @hcoughing
      @hcoughing 16 годин тому +1

      @@lisanunlist9510 couldn't agree more. She always rubbed me the wrong way - she comes off like an uppity judgemental woman (sorry not sorry) - but this just puts me over the edge. That's honestly despicable

  • @dorothypettijohn1037
    @dorothypettijohn1037 День тому +77

    I cant continue to listten to this! Abortion must be allowed throughout pregnancy. Primarily bc you cannot list every single complication of every stage of pregnancy and delivery. This is evidenced by the number of women who have diagnosed need for abortion yet are not getting the dire healthcare they deserve, with many women developing sepsis, losing fertility, requiring life-flight trips to a blue state and many dying. Its a shame that men and the few women that do espouse prolife sentiment, would do thisto their wives, mothers, sisters, aunts, neices and friends.
    Andwhy are you speaking of young men when the conversation was about abortion?

    • @aliceanneacts6164
      @aliceanneacts6164 День тому +15

      @@dorothypettijohn1037 and we now know of two preventable deaths. And I think that number is going to rise as the mortality reviews work their way through the systems..,

    • @markg.7865
      @markg.7865 День тому +12

      Don't worry the GOP has a solution for that.....thoughts and prayers.

    • @michaelmeroyers5487
      @michaelmeroyers5487 День тому

      i’m nancyr and this one woman said that if men got pregnant, they’d be able to get abortions at the ATM machine. loved it

    • @AlvaSudden
      @AlvaSudden День тому +3

      I was just getting started in my career when Mona Charen published a book : "Sex Matters: How Modern Feminism Lost Touch with Science, Love, and Common Sense." It criticized women in the workplace & unnecessarily dissected everything women did.. I am still waiting for an apology from Charen, who took all the advantages won by feminists and then decided to take ride on the always-popular trend of dumping on women. If Trump is elected, look for Charen to go back to critically pointing out all the ways in which women are not perfect.

    • @juliebraden
      @juliebraden 15 годин тому

      ​@@AlvaSuddenif Trump is elected? I see Mona leaning back to her conservative ways if HARRIS or anyone other then Trump is elected but not if Trump himself goes back to WH. If Trump is defeated, I see conservatives possibly seeing the fight being over & they can get comfortable in their old thinking & 'indulge' in their previous policy views once again. @ least move back to center right instead of dead center or cntr left leaning. If Trump is elected, the fight will be on even more than ever to keep the country from tumbling over a cliff. Mona won't pick that time to indulge in previous views of debating feminism. I can't see that happening

  • @carolmckee8456
    @carolmckee8456 День тому +80

    We ladies can't get enough of that stalker vibe.

    • @kristykanen9315
      @kristykanen9315 День тому +8

      🤣👏

    • @nancyn6215
      @nancyn6215 День тому +3

      A daily dose of listening to that would make me lose weight quickly. 🤮

  • @catherineroberts9084
    @catherineroberts9084 День тому +154

    Where do we restrct men's health care??

    • @ChrisSonPEI
      @ChrisSonPEI День тому +6

      We can't have abortions either. 😅

    • @ChrisSonPEI
      @ChrisSonPEI День тому +12

      Sorry, you're right. Just a little joke there along the lines of restricting the rich and poor to sleep under bridges and all that.

    • @sandraavalos5724
      @sandraavalos5724 День тому

      Thank you! You wanna prevent abortions, vasectomies for all who produce sperm at 15.

    • @sherfromgr
      @sherfromgr День тому +26

      It was Kamala Harris who asked Brett Kavanaugh that same question.

    • @sv8911
      @sv8911 День тому +11

      Nowhere. They're allotted all kinds of perks, while pregnant women are denied coverage for iron pills.

  • @catherineroberts9084
    @catherineroberts9084 День тому +97

    Abortion should be legal in all circumstances. Let the doctor and patient decide. Otherwise, restrictions will creep back in.

    • @patriciarmuller6283
      @patriciarmuller6283 День тому +14

      Def NOT a Ted Cruz or Josh Hawley or John Roberts or any of the others.
      My body. I have choices. I have an OB-GYN
      Not Trump or the GOP

    • @lisanunlist9510
      @lisanunlist9510 День тому +1

      @@patriciarmuller6283Ob/gyns & women’s clinics are becoming more SCARCE!

    • @sherfromgr
      @sherfromgr День тому +3

      @@lisanunlist9510 We all know why, and it's going to take decades to fix this, if ever.

    • @burntorangehorn
      @burntorangehorn День тому

      ​@lisanunlist9510 And lots of women's health providers are just outright leaving areas (states, in most cases) that are hostile to women's reproductive health. Too much risk.

    • @joanfregapane8683
      @joanfregapane8683 День тому +4

      That’s exactly my thought as well. That’s why more progressive states have virtually no written proscriptions, so the women, healthcare providers and THEIR ethics and oaths can guide the decisions.

  • @RDchela
    @RDchela День тому +45

    Most ppl do not understand the restrictions in place under Roe. It's NOT abortion on demand.

    • @MelchiorTheMagnificent
      @MelchiorTheMagnificent День тому

      Not only are people NOT getting "abortions on demand up until birth", what they ARE doing is finding out the hard way that exceptions only some abortion bans have simply don't work. Do you have to be essentially already dead, or at risk of losing your future fertility, to be given basic medical care? Do you have to get your rapist convicted, then get a court order allowing your abortion, then fight with your care providers to schedule your abortion as soon as possible, all within 16 weeks because after that there are no exceptions at all? How the actual heck do you even make use of these exceptions in the real world? Because them being written down on paper so they can be used in theory does not mean you can trust them in practice.

    • @LaRomana59
      @LaRomana59 День тому +4

      THIS!

    • @karenholmes6565
      @karenholmes6565 16 годин тому

      The only reason to eliminate Roe is to make sure women cannot have abortions if they are having complications. The vast majority of abortions after the first trimester are because there is something wrong with the mom or baby. They want to stop women from getting healthcare, plain and simple, because they were already limiting abortions where the fetus was viable.

  • @aliceanneacts6164
    @aliceanneacts6164 День тому +70

    Wow, you chose a week with no AB and no Linda to have THIS conversation? Sigh. I so want to like you folks. I really do…

    • @hcoughing
      @hcoughing 17 годин тому +4

      I had to leave a comment about this. Honestly I might even email them. I'm a relatively new bulwark subscriber (Tim brought me in but I also love JVL, Sarah, Sam - lots of great people and great insights - but this made my blood boil. The audacity and privilege to do this without women. And Mona needs to grow the f*ck up. Stop parroting conservative bullshit and expecting us to swallow it. Restrictions DON'T WORK. Glad Mona has never had to be in that situation but some of us have.

    • @aliceanneacts6164
      @aliceanneacts6164 17 годин тому +2

      @@hcoughing please hang in with channel in general-most of it is good. I’m a raised republican and I rarely make it through even 5 minutes of this particular weekly show-recommend you skip “beg to differ.” And also, yes, email them. Not sure they quite get how often this show really offends so many of us…

  • @best-pro570
    @best-pro570 День тому +44

    VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHAT 🗳🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

    • @ChristyMorris-rh7rq
      @ChristyMorris-rh7rq 16 годин тому +1

      At every level!

    • @best-pro570
      @best-pro570 14 годин тому +2

      @@ChristyMorris-rh7rq
      AT ALL LEVELS, LET'S GO BLUE!!!
      💙 💙 💙 💙 💙 💙

    • @ChristyMorris-rh7rq
      @ChristyMorris-rh7rq 7 годин тому +1

      @@best-pro570 Absolutely 💙

    • @best-pro570
      @best-pro570 7 годин тому +1

      @@ChristyMorris-rh7rq
      WE ARE GOING TO CELEBRATE THE VICTORY 🍾 🍾 🍾

    • @ChristyMorris-rh7rq
      @ChristyMorris-rh7rq 6 годин тому

      @@best-pro570 Yes we are! 💙

  • @etymologik
    @etymologik День тому +35

    Donald thinks he can do Jedi mind tricks. He's delusional.

    • @siouxrose7766
      @siouxrose7766 21 годину тому

      He may be delusional but his tricks work... he's still got a fan base of at least 60 million deceived followers. It is beyond troubling. Of course he did not gain this influence single-handedly. Fox "news" and the right-wing church "leaders" along with the Leonard Leo pay-to-play appointed judges factor into the dark calculus.

    • @groaningmole4338
      @groaningmole4338 5 хвилин тому

      Actually he has good reason to think that. His followers usually believe everything he says without question. Why not this?

  • @Chiefs_fan1595
    @Chiefs_fan1595 День тому +69

    After seeing the gender gap in support between Harris and Trump all I can say is thank goodness for the 19th amendment!

    • @EmilyBoltz
      @EmilyBoltz День тому +10

      Hell yes.

    • @stevenelson2641
      @stevenelson2641 День тому +12

      Missus here: Please don't forget that the reasoning for the Dobbs decision took women's rights back to 1787 and the ratification of the Constitution. How long will the 19th Amendment stand against that legal reasoning in the SC? Do you understand what a woman's rights were in 1787?

    • @shawnnewell4541
      @shawnnewell4541 День тому +12

      Remember, they do want to revoke that right, too.

    • @kimberlychodur3508
      @kimberlychodur3508 День тому +6

      A very important reason to vote blue. Women only got the right to vote in 1920, for a long time they couldn’t own land, have their own checking account or credit card in their name. Back in the 60s in some states, women had to get permission to use birth control from their husbands. Until the late 70s women had no job protection for pregnancy, when they went on maternity leave they could be demoted or fired when they went back to work. A lot of these rights came about in my lifetime since I was 10 years old when Row vs. Wade was passed. That means my mother had fewer rights than I did, my grandmother had even fewer rights than my mother. She didn’t even have the right to vote until 1920. She was born in the early 1900s. I definitely do not want to go back.

    • @marshatolbert154
      @marshatolbert154 День тому +6

      @@stevenelson2641I hear you. 😢It is however more difficult (hopefully) to overturn a Constitutional Amendment, which has been passed by Congress and ratified by the states, than to overturn a court precedent. I have no doubt that Vance and his sugar daddy Peter Thiel would love to take a crack at it, however 😒

  • @brendabowens
    @brendabowens День тому +67

    I am offended!!!😮 women don't need a man to determine what are health concerns are as they don't even know what our health care issues may be!!

    • @silentotto5099
      @silentotto5099 День тому +6

      I watched a clip of a state level congressional debate where they were discussing women's health. One of the Democrats was talking about menstruation and one of the Republican congressmen interrupted her and asked her if it was necessary to discuss that topic.
      I could only shake my head...

    • @glennmorgan4197
      @glennmorgan4197 20 годин тому +1

      ​@@silentotto5099they've demonstrated such ignorance on the subject matter 🙄

    • @lisanunlist9510
      @lisanunlist9510 20 годин тому +1

      @@glennmorgan4197GOP congressman thought a mini-camera to see if it was a “legitimate rape”?!

  • @carolmckee8456
    @carolmckee8456 День тому +30

    As a leftie liberal Let me tell you REPUBLICANS- We don't want 'NO RESTRICTIONS'! Most of us are fine with Roe where there there were sensible restrictions. 50 years of declining abortion rates and 1970's -2010's declining maternal mortality. RATE INCREASED 2010-2020, BUT STILL REMAINED BELOW 1970 RATE.

    • @EmilyBoltz
      @EmilyBoltz День тому

      Pisses me off. I dont understand why centers don’t have the statistics to back this up. Bottom line - we are not going back.

    • @burntorangehorn
      @burntorangehorn День тому

      Problem is, many red states took every possible opportunity to restrict abortion even under Roe. Look up abortion rights maps from before Dobbs, and you'll see.

  • @Peeved100
    @Peeved100 День тому +37

    Creepy Don.

    • @terryarmstrong8598
      @terryarmstrong8598 День тому +3

      The Creepy and Creepier ticket.
      Interchangeable on any given day.

  • @lizryan513
    @lizryan513 День тому +106

    Mona, please stop spreading misinformation. Nobody has a policy demanding late-term abortion.

    • @sherfromgr
      @sherfromgr День тому +24

      Patient and doctor should make the decision, not politicians and lawyers. Imagine politicizing heart attacks or strokes, ffs. This is just wrong.

    • @anonreviews572
      @anonreviews572 День тому +21

      Nor is it happening regularly where there are few or no restrictions.
      The problem with legislating it is doctors pause. Women need to get very sick before an intervention. So more will die. Trust doctors and women!
      I know someone who had pre-eclampsia at 25 weeks. Long story short, in a state where they had to wait. She lost the baby (which was a given) and she lost her fertility.

    • @debc2237
      @debc2237 День тому +13

      Late term abortion can happen if the fetus is severely malformed or even dying.

    • @James-hd4ms
      @James-hd4ms День тому +12

      @@debc2237why don’t people seem to know this?

    • @burntorangehorn
      @burntorangehorn День тому +24

      1. Women don't carry for 8.9 months and then get abortions for the sake of convenience. 2. Late-term abortions are sometimes necessary for the health of the pregnant person, and exceptions don't work, as Ken Paxton has shown us. Even when legislators (who rarely know anything about obstetrics) write exceptions into law, the wording is usually poor, or there's an overzealous government official, making the liability too great for the provider to terminate a pregnancy when needed.

  • @daughterofbob-d5r
    @daughterofbob-d5r День тому +32

    Another sausage party talking about what is important to Women 🙄 As a Woman, why should I care about this?

  • @ChrisSonPEI
    @ChrisSonPEI День тому +32

    The way he treats women should turn men away from him as well, if they're good men anyway.

  • @mgregory2430
    @mgregory2430 День тому +58

    As an Australian spectator I’m terrified and confused by the USA. How Canadians sleep with the USA in their basement amazes me. That anyone ever believed Trump’s carnival barker shtick, never mind almost half an electorate, fills me with despair. This election is too close for the rest of us to have confidence in the US as a partner. I hope for a rebound.

    • @JudithWaidlich
      @JudithWaidlich День тому

      It's not half the electorate. Maga is 30% of GOP. As explained on defiant lawyers, black men support of Trump is based on misunderstanding of how government works. They think Trump gave himself money during COVID, after all he signed the check. But constitution gives congress the power to raise and spend government funds.

    • @debc2237
      @debc2237 День тому +3

      Robin Williams once said it must feel like living above a meth lab for Canadians.

    • @juliasimpson1759
      @juliasimpson1759 День тому +4

      @@mgregory2430 So do we.

    • @michaelmeroyers5487
      @michaelmeroyers5487 День тому

      i’m nancyr and i’m originally from canada and have a lot of relatives there. we’re going to win anyway, so quit worrying and there’s a sane majority here in the US of us that despise tRumpking as much as you do. i do. calm down, many fed up republicans are joining us, etc. 2 predictions are that we’re winning the election. one guy has correctly called presidential elections since 2004. we will keep Biden as president until we get everything sorted. great videos in Australia, better than our media, that let us down. 👋😄😈👊👊👊🐁🐀🐷🐈‍⬛🐈‍⬛🐈‍⬛🐶🐶🐶🗳️🗳️💙💙🦋🦋🐈‍⬛👋

    • @RuthmarieHicks
      @RuthmarieHicks День тому +5

      @mgregory2430 - Try LIVING in the US!!!! I'm getting my passport updated in case Trump wins and am trying to figure out a way to immigrate to Canada long-term should he become POTUS again. Of course, I don't think Canada would even want me. However, it's better to live with the US in your basement than to be IN the US under another Trump Administration.

  • @aliceanneacts6164
    @aliceanneacts6164 День тому +29

    Just got in a stupid argument with a young “bro” type in the comments of another video. So glad I’m not in the dating pool where I have to deal with these types.

  • @LindaAlziebler-mt9qy
    @LindaAlziebler-mt9qy День тому +70

    Trump...women love me! Creepy. Trump...I will protect you. Gross. Trump ...dont worry ladies you will not have to think for yourself anymore because your men folk will do that for you. Sends shivers down my spine.

    • @bookbwitched6823
      @bookbwitched6823 День тому +3

      "LITTLE LADY, DON'T WORRY YOUR PRETTY HEAD, GRAB THEM BY THE 🐺, FORTUNELY OR UNFORTUNATELY, NOT MY TYPE, C You Next Tuesday." I'm still furious over every single quote of his & what each implies about about his mindset. On top of that, what that implies about the woman' who follow him. Their self esteem, self awareness & connections to other women who votes for him. It's horrifying.

    • @LindaAlziebler-mt9qy
      @LindaAlziebler-mt9qy День тому +1

      @bookbwitched6823 nobody has called me little lady ever and it's gross and stalker ish

    • @DavidBarkland
      @DavidBarkland День тому +1

      ​@@bookbwitched6823 I may be a european boii, but I do recognize the mindset very well. The thing that scares me most isn't that some people don't want to think, but why: the authoritarian need to litigate what kinks are "correct" to have. I am dead serious. I have several acquaintances who melt at the thought of a man controlling their bodies and minds. The difference is that they are able to keep consensual intimacy and politics apart.

    • @michaelmeroyers5487
      @michaelmeroyers5487 День тому

      i’m nancyr and that reminds me of, don’t worry your pretty little head about it from my mothers day

  • @maletero9888
    @maletero9888 День тому +30

    Pro choice or NO CHOICE

  • @kristinj7173
    @kristinj7173 День тому +41

    Tim A, please avoid using the term “soccer mom” for highly educated women living in the suburbs. That is such a generalization. Many of us have full-time careers that actually tap into our high level of education and skill levels…..but yes, women AND men care about safety and security, whether we have children in school or not.

    • @glennmorgan4197
      @glennmorgan4197 20 годин тому +3

      I've never been a fan of that generalization. I know lots of those moms who have businesses and careers, and I have been married to one for over 39 years. I think he's a little confused about the subject.

    • @katinkagoncalves913
      @katinkagoncalves913 16 годин тому +2

      Yes! Is there a comparable term for suburban men? Women are constantly being reduced to memes, “soccer moms” “childless cat ladies” & post menopausal. Just call us what we are, college educated, suburban etc

    • @kristinj7173
      @kristinj7173 13 годин тому

      @@katinkagoncalves913 Thank you. For all my career, I have felt like someone (mostly male colleagues) wanted to put me into a box and keep me in a box, despite having more experience, skill, knowledge, credentials and /or education than most. To experience these stereotypes over and over again is so disrespectful to the professional level many women have achieved, even if some step away briefly to care for children. To be reduced to a label like soccer mom is no better than calling someone a childless cat lady. We can and should do better than this when talking to and about your voters.

  • @RoseWeiss-q1t
    @RoseWeiss-q1t День тому +43

    Having had a number of heart-breaking miscarriages at various stages of pregnancy, I literally would be dead if these anti-woman laws had been in effect. Pregnancy can be a very complicated process. Meddlers need to stay out of it and allow proper medical decisions to be made. There's no magic number of weeks when it would be ok for the government - or anyone - to step in and interfere.

    • @dorothypettijohn1037
      @dorothypettijohn1037 День тому +6

      @@RoseWeiss-q1t I agree with you completely, I suffered numerious ectopics (in the 80s when it meant big abdominal surgery!) In trumps America I would be dead too. The need to examine maternal deaths in the first trimester to search for all those ruptured ectopic pregnancies; they are leading cause of death in the first trimester.

    • @michaelmeroyers5487
      @michaelmeroyers5487 День тому +6

      i’m nancyr and i’m a 70 year old retired nurse and i’m soo sorry that you went through that. i’m disgusted that my 30 year old daughter has less rights than i did at 16. she doesn’t want kids and that’s her prerogative. when Vance talks about forced pregnancies, it makes me feel sick.

    • @siouxrose7766
      @siouxrose7766 21 годину тому +1

      @@michaelmeroyers5487--He's auditioning for the role of Commander out of Handmaid's Tale.

    • @michaelmeroyers5487
      @michaelmeroyers5487 20 годин тому +1

      @@siouxrose7766 thanks for your reply i appreciate it. i never read Handmidens tale, bcos im an old women’s libber for years and i’ve been through enough life experiences to not want to read about it. have a great day today and stay cool 🆒😎😈👊👊👊🐷🐁🐀🐈‍⬛🐈‍⬛🐈‍⬛🐶🐶💙💙🗳️🗳️🦋🦋🦋🦋👋

    • @ChristyMorris-rh7rq
      @ChristyMorris-rh7rq 16 годин тому

      I would have died also. I had 3 due to miscarriages and pregnancy complications.

  • @bowtoyoursensei554
    @bowtoyoursensei554 День тому +34

    He sounded exactly like an abusive boyfriend or husband. SUPER creepy triggering language made me absolutely shudder. I know they they told him that he needs to appeal to women, but I'll tell you, that pitch did the exact opposite!

    • @michaelmeroyers5487
      @michaelmeroyers5487 День тому +1

      we women have got his number. we know the enemy and it is him, nancyr

    • @T-aka-T
      @T-aka-T 18 годин тому

      ​@@michaelmeroyers5487 👍Women "know his type" His total lack of self-aeareness is amazing.

  • @stevenelson2641
    @stevenelson2641 День тому +38

    Missus again: Unfortunately, abortions of a successful pregnancy and abortive procedures that are used as healthcare to "clean a woman out" after a catastrophic pregnancy loss so she won't die of infection or blood loss or burst Fallopian tubes, are both referred to as "abortion" in these discussions. Sadly no distinction is made between the two different kinds procedures.

    • @lisanunlist9510
      @lisanunlist9510 День тому +10

      Yep, look up what D & C is!

    • @Sarcasticron
      @Sarcasticron День тому

      That's true, but either way, these are very personal decisions that affect women's lives in profound ways. They shouldn't be decided by politicians who follow a fringe religious belief, and probably think that babies and blood come out the pee hole. MOST CHRISTIANS DISAGREE WITH THEM. What about their religious freedom?

    • @joanfregapane8683
      @joanfregapane8683 День тому +4

      Because the red states don’t distinguish between the why & when of procedures - probably initially the politicians didn’t want anyone to stop. & think that just maybe this blanket prohibition is ethically wrong and possibly morally wrong as well.

    • @brandonm949
      @brandonm949 21 годину тому

      The funny thing is most medical records do differentiate between them. Procedures are documented with an ICD-10 code explaining what the procedure is for. There are a bunch for pregnancy complications that would indicate a non-abortive D&C. There's also one that indicates an elective abortion.
      So lawmakers could allow D&C's as long as an appropriate ICD-10 code is attached. But I guess when you don't trust doctors to make good decisions regarding abortions, you don't trust them to code things honestly either.

  • @anthill1510
    @anthill1510 День тому +39

    Abortion doesn`t explain the gender gap at all: Young men also don`t want to be forced to be fathers. It`s way more fundamental than that: There is a lot of men who want womens rights rolled back. They are going after no fault divorce, some even womens vote. They are frustrated that women aren`t forced to serve them any more, that`s what this is about.

    • @lucygooseyhikes
      @lucygooseyhikes День тому

      100 percent. Abortion is just part of many of many women's rights that they are trying to roll back and to simplify it to just that is pretty insulting. It is no surprise to me that more men are turning to religion to find a patriarchal structure where they are on top just be being a man.

    • @SaraSmit-e8w
      @SaraSmit-e8w День тому +6

      It’s all about control.

    • @T-aka-T
      @T-aka-T 18 годин тому

      ​@@SaraSmit-e8w Yes, but then WHY? Doesn't the "why" explain why it is both?
      If you want a pleasing life-servant to pander to your needs, whims, desires and fantasies, you will need to control that servant. Not just, say, random exercise of power. It's having tame servants. ( And that goes for racism as well. )

    • @juliebraden
      @juliebraden 14 годин тому

      @anthill1510 I can't help but agree. Sometimes these pundits & t.v. peop r so focused on one talking point they don't take the time to think it thru. They just reiterate.
      It's almost like abortion is irrelevant to men as a voting motivation? They don't care about voting right to ban it but they might not be convinced to vote left to preserve it.
      I agree w/ u I think their concentration is on their rights vs the rights of women. & Yeah if anything, I think most young men want the option for their 'girl' to get an abortion if he wanted her to. Unfortunately idt it's enuf to get them to vote left always. Idk how they square that in their heads.

    • @hadrian0512
      @hadrian0512 12 годин тому

      🎯🎯🎯

  • @d.delgado4585
    @d.delgado4585 День тому +31

    I don't look for politicians to protect me. Whoever wrote his speech has an odd, antiquated idea of women and what they're want. I want a politician that protects my rights and freedoms and stops corporations from screwing me over financially. I want government to function and do its job. The protection stuff seemed like a creepy dog whistle and his comment about women not being lonely was just... weird. Very very weird.

    • @michaelmeroyers5487
      @michaelmeroyers5487 День тому

      i’m nancyr and i totally agree with you. we are happy, we’re not lonely and even if we were, we’d rather be alone than with him. he’s such a creep

    • @annphillips1086
      @annphillips1086 20 годин тому

      It was very Stepford.

  • @susannoesen6006
    @susannoesen6006 День тому +31

    Really, one woman who's past age and the rest men mostly old. I'm an older woman and want you all to mind your own damn business.

    • @pammedfordconley
      @pammedfordconley День тому +4

      54 white woman with a complicated uterus and a 28 year old daughter and I am sooo with you. Seriously people who are not the specific women and their doctors should mind their own damn business about reproductive health care

    • @susannoesen6006
      @susannoesen6006 День тому

      @@pammedfordconley you rock sister!

  • @pattip2
    @pattip2 День тому +104

    Lol leave it to the Bulwark (I Beg to Differ) to have a panel of mostly men (4/5) speaking on this subject

    • @anthill1510
      @anthill1510 День тому +29

      Yeah, black young women are most effected by the abortion bans. Search for anybody representing one of these traits on the panel.
      And OLD people talking about young voters and what issues they vote on without even having soundbites of focus groups or anything like that. . Talking about the manosphere while clearly having never even heard of that word.

    • @annejohnson5875
      @annejohnson5875 День тому

      And the one woman is pushing the "no restrictions at all" lie.

    • @pattip2
      @pattip2 День тому +10

      @@anthill1510 💯 Yes exactly thank you!

    • @sandraavalos5724
      @sandraavalos5724 День тому +5

      💯💯

    • @ginacoleman788
      @ginacoleman788 День тому +9

      Exactly. I panel of men....makes sense 🙄

  • @janetdavies-davis3395
    @janetdavies-davis3395 День тому +31

    Where are more “women” in this discussion? Only the host? Really why?
    Not on point for the gender gap divide.
    Sad really.
    I’m in Canada & we appreciate diversity and a healthy racial mix when it’s a good healthy robust society issue.

    • @anthill1510
      @anthill1510 День тому +1

      Yes. Old white people talking about young voters issues with one old woman on the panel while talking about abortions. It`s a hoot.

    • @m8852
      @m8852 6 годин тому

      But if it was all-female, would you have a problem? Abortion affects both men and women.

  • @jel.wny1720
    @jel.wny1720 День тому +22

    Trump, himself, has said that he, himself, Trump, got Roe v Wade overturned. And Sonny Bunch, with all due respect, you are wrong about how "most" women feel about the "abortion issue."

    • @bennyshambles
      @bennyshambles День тому +5

      Sonny Bunch sucks and seems to subtly argue FOR Trump in a lot of discussions. I don’t understand him.

  • @chrisconklin2981
    @chrisconklin2981 День тому +29

    The driving force behind abortion restrictions is that a fetus has genetic rights motivated by the religious concept that a fetus is assigned a soul at conception. This is an uncompromising position, which is divorced from the medical needs, biological facts, human rights and the freedom to exercise family planning. Ultimately it is a particular religious interpretation which should be rejected as a violation of the first amendment.

  • @sjmullen6691
    @sjmullen6691 День тому +19

    if kitchen sink means we are circling the drain...

  • @AT.inbetween
    @AT.inbetween День тому +8

    Be sure to pass a safety law so that the opposition is not able to pass legislation overturning the will of voters. The lack of this rule allowed the GOP to over ride election outcomes without consequences.

  • @deearle2433
    @deearle2433 День тому +16

    Just more Trump BS

  • @Giowhat
    @Giowhat День тому +15

    What woman would want Trump for anything!

  • @axlslak
    @axlslak День тому +12

    All of a sudden, that woman that yells "let women vote" in RDR2 takes a new dimension. I'll compliment her from now. :)
    Also, just reflecting on: "women don't have to worry about abortion anymore". what does that mean? "they are going to safe and happy and healthy". is he talking about poultry in a farm?
    Well, at least when they look back at this time after 100 years from now, they will at least notice a considerable portion of the people did oppose this and were against it. Coz one of the things that often comes up when talking about Hitler, and Stalin and Mao is how the hell did not the people know? How did they not protest? In this case... they did.

    • @anthill1510
      @anthill1510 День тому +4

      People protested and spoke out in Germany, too. He put accomplices into the courts, changed the laws to allow military in the streets, fostered militia, discredeted newspapers and published his own ones etc. Sounds familiar?

    • @axlslak
      @axlslak День тому +1

      @@anthill1510 yeah mate. it does. its just that people ask: why didn't people rise up against it. as you pointed out they did. and maybe they should now?

  • @lisadunn2208
    @lisadunn2208 День тому +12

    VOTE BLUE FOR DEMOCRACY ALL DOWN THE BALLOT 💙 🗳 💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙🙏🔵🙏🔵🙏🔵🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊😒

  • @purem9150
    @purem9150 День тому +11

    Irrespective of personal views in relation to abortion, Most thinking, educated people believe that Women's bodily autonomy and health are decisions that must sit with Women, their families and their doctors, not ideologues and male politicians.

  • @stevenelson2641
    @stevenelson2641 День тому +22

    Missus here: Is Trump going to drug us all regularly that we would feel the way he predicts??!

    • @anthill1510
      @anthill1510 День тому +5

      Judging from the way he talked I think he wants to use hypnosis.

    • @MarshaLanigan-sp5vr
      @MarshaLanigan-sp5vr День тому

      Lobotomies so women "won't have to think"

    • @sherfromgr
      @sherfromgr День тому +2

      @@anthill1510 So creepy I want to scream!

    • @paxorra5528
      @paxorra5528 День тому +2

      To be 'conditioned' into Stepford Wives. ----> Woman who lives a blindly conforming life
      The term “Stepford Wife” refers to a woman who lives a blindly conforming life, remaining subservient to her husband and other authority figures while attempting to offend no one. It is generally considered to be derogatory and is taken from a 1972 book, The Stepford Wives, which was later adapted into several feature films1. The term implies a woman who unquestioningly submits to and serves her male partner, and does not seem to have interests, wishes, or pursuits of her own.

    • @DavidBarkland
      @DavidBarkland День тому

      @@anthill1510 I don't think Creepy Don knows what hypnosis is lol. And I say this as someone who _does_ do hypnokink and am very much aware and alert of the abuse that unfortunately does happen!

  • @Rose-t8c1g
    @Rose-t8c1g День тому +11

    The issue of abortion is an issue of reproductive healthcare and the economy.
    Limitations on what we consider abortion access impact pregnant people, menopausal women, children, rape victims, cancer survivors, medical professionals...Medical decisions need to be private and need to be between individuals and their doctors.
    Doctors and nurses need to be allowed to follow their "calling."
    Economically, the general population can barely afford an emergency car repair. It is a huge imposition to force a need to entertain emergency travel arrangements on families.

  • @nckoes
    @nckoes День тому +14

    Excellent observation on civil/cultural religions. I'm in the traditional liturgical tradition- those people are scaring us! The Germans tried this in the 30s.

    • @lisanunlist9510
      @lisanunlist9510 День тому +3

      Read Tim Alberta’s EXCELLENT books. He answered delicately: Mega/MAGA big box churches (White “Christian” Nationalism) vs standard Lutheran/Episcopalian liturgy w/well-educated, grounded clergy.

  • @NotShowingOff
    @NotShowingOff День тому +14

    Their theory on security moms is sort of weird.
    Worries about illegal immigration but not worried about mass shootings…go figure

    • @ruthcassidy6052
      @ruthcassidy6052 45 хвилин тому

      Back in the day I was a suburban mom (kiddo hated soccer though, so I was spared). I knew there were "illegal immigrants" living in cardboard boxes and thrown-together scrap wood shelters in the canyons near my Upper-Middle-Class San Diego home. Know what I worried about? - how they were keeping safe and dry and warm out there. Someone broke into my car late one night - it was an Upper-Middle-Class San Diego White Kid.

  • @CatieGorga
    @CatieGorga День тому +10

    I love the Bulwark, truly one of my favorite media sites, but their background as "center right" Republicans is very telling on the abortion issue. They really should talk with an actual ardent pro-choice woman, like Jessica Valenti.

  • @stephensuddick1896
    @stephensuddick1896 День тому +13

    Alright women of America. It's up to you now.

    • @lisanunlist9510
      @lisanunlist9510 День тому +2

      When Mona read stats on Harris being way ahead, she said “crazy!” Surprised? Don’t understand her appeal?

  • @LauraPauli
    @LauraPauli День тому +10

    “the kitchen sink phase of the campaign” 😂 perfect!

  • @georgialee01
    @georgialee01 День тому +15

    I am a suburban mom. I have a Volvo. I have a two car garage and a half an acre. The security I’m concerned about is my child surviving school. Are they going to come home alive? If you want to win over suburban moms, then do some thing about the guns.

    • @Dana-pq7ke
      @Dana-pq7ke День тому

      Why is your school so dangerous? I would move! Aren't your children valuable to you?

    • @kristinj7173
      @kristinj7173 День тому +1

      @@Dana-pq7keshootings happen in the suburbs too…

  • @Jbal8924
    @Jbal8924 День тому +9

    Mona talking about each party vying for the “centrist ground”on abortion after Dobbs?? Democrats aren’t advocating for any extreme positions! That’s a Republican talking point. I’m having trouble listening to her - clicking away…

  • @glennhanna244
    @glennhanna244 День тому +9

    I'm a man and am voting for the alpha between the two presidential candidates, which is obviously Kamala.

  • @studiodsr
    @studiodsr День тому +9

    I agree we need some Harris surrogates on these manosphere blogs. Obviously Walz, but also Pete Buttegeig and Gavin Newsom would be great on these shows - and they’d be able to explain why Democrats are not bad, but in fact good for working class men

  • @EmilyBoltz
    @EmilyBoltz День тому +14

    Most people to not argue abortion should be up to the moment of birth. That should not even be voiced. Only if a life is at stake. If it is between the life of their child or themselves most women would choose life for their child- but those tough personal decisions should be left to the person going through it -not the government and not rich old white men. I don’t know why stats are not used to show the majority of women are responsible to make their own choices. 😠

    • @Jamez-q2e
      @Jamez-q2e День тому +3

      What if you were already a mother and have to make a choice between yourself and your unborn child? Would you leave her existing child motherless? These are not decisions. We left after the state. These are personal decisions.

    • @EmilyBoltz
      @EmilyBoltz День тому +2

      ⁠@@Jamez-q2eI agree. Bottom line no one can make those tough personal decisions for someone else.

    • @Jamez-q2e
      @Jamez-q2e День тому

      @@EmilyBoltz thanks

  • @janefreda7034
    @janefreda7034 День тому +8

    Less than 1% of abortions are late term. If you look at the academic literature there are primarily two reasons why they are sought, major fetal abnormalities that couldn't be detected in the first or second trimester and people who for whatever reason weren't able to access an abortion earlier (poverty, stigma, access issues etc). The second issue could be solved by ensuring unstigmatized timely affordable healthcare.

  • @neeleynonea
    @neeleynonea День тому +56

    More of the same, men giving their opinion on women, no thank you

    • @anthill1510
      @anthill1510 День тому +18

      Yeah, he is not correct that this is all about abortion. It`s way more fundamental than that: There is a lot of men who want womens rights rolled back. They are going after no fault divorce, some even womens vote. Men are frustrated that women caught up in the work force and aren`t forced to serve them any more. That`s what this is about.

    • @anthill1510
      @anthill1510 День тому +10

      It`s not even just that, an old woman talking about the manosphere ,wich she clearly hadn`t heard about until 5 minutes ago, and doesn`t understand at all makes no sense, either. I would say the problem is more with old, out-of-touch priviledged pundits trying to talk about people that live an average life. They have no idea what that`s like.

    • @utopianna
      @utopianna День тому +12

      Men also act as if pregnancy is only about the gestation period and the delivery of a child. It's not. It's about all the years of raising children. When this guy says that things can change in 4 or 5 years, what good does that do in the meantime for that lifetime commitment that has already occurred?

    • @christinaapplegate5281
      @christinaapplegate5281 День тому +4

      As a Republican soccer mom I am more concerned about women’s health care for myself and daughter. And you can bet that the men around me better be concerned about it too. I think a lot of men are concerned about unwanted pregnancy because they don’t want to take the responsibility of caring for their offspring. Safety my Fanny. We women can take care of ourselves.

    • @m8852
      @m8852 6 годин тому

      It's this anti-male attitude that is pushing most men to vote for Trump.

  • @GoogleLover-r9e
    @GoogleLover-r9e День тому +8

    Okay, you guys have depressed me enough for a Friday afternoon. It would be great, Mona, if you could at least try to focus more of the hour next week on Kamala Harris and perhaps be positive about her campaign. I was under the impression that the Bulwark was actually supporting her. Also, you can leave Tim off your list, too.

  • @kaboom146
    @kaboom146 День тому +8

    Mona, shame on you for misrepresenting Dems position on abortion.

  • @sjmullen6691
    @sjmullen6691 День тому +8

    I would say a couple of things. If you believe him you need help

  • @AlvaSudden
    @AlvaSudden День тому +7

    I was just getting started in my career when Mona Charen published a book : "Sex Matters: How Modern Feminism Lost Touch with Science, Love, and Common Sense." It criticized women in the workplace & unnecessarily dissected everything women did.. I am still waiting for an apology from Charen, who took all the advantages won by feminists and then decided to take ride on the always-popular trend of dumping on women. If Trump is elected, look for Charen to go back to critically pointing out all the ways in which women are not perfect.

  • @quantum_cricket8555
    @quantum_cricket8555 День тому +9

    Trump sounded like he could've been reading a prepared hypnosis script and/or Jim Jones-like preaching😵😵‍💫

  • @scifigirrl1418
    @scifigirrl1418 День тому +18

    The most depressing episode ever. All doom and gloom. You make Harris road to victory almost seem hopeless. This podcast feels very out of touch compared to the others. It’s also consistently the most negative with barely any diversity. II’ll stick with Tim Miller and Sarah Longwell.

    • @jaimebergner
      @jaimebergner 9 годин тому

      I think this particular panel are secretly biased towards Trump.

  • @letsRegulateSociopaths
    @letsRegulateSociopaths День тому +7

    Man o sphere? Misogyny sphere.

  • @Cira-7727
    @Cira-7727 День тому +6

    Abortion as a political issue is about more than just the procedure and the right to it. It is a proxy for whether women should be treated as second class citizens or not.

  • @patrickmccurdy8688
    @patrickmccurdy8688 День тому +6

    Why can't you use immigration as an inflation issue? It would be extremely inflationary to deport even a fration of our immigrants!

  • @JellyBean-lo4sl
    @JellyBean-lo4sl День тому +6

    Absolutely condensing comments by the former WH occupant.

  • @justsurfin5013
    @justsurfin5013 День тому +23

    God I love the generalities here ^_^. I live in northern VA. The "suburban moms" here are: Turkish, Korean, Hindi, etc.. I think on my street I have all of maybe 3 Caucasian "suburban moms". And the thing I don't understand about right wing politicians and their fear-mongering over this..I view this as "Cool, I get the learn about many different peoples, exposed to foods I never would have before, unique cultures, etc.". Heck my next door neighbor made the best Baklava...much YUMM.

    • @xunqianbaidu6917
      @xunqianbaidu6917 День тому +2

      NOVA might not be indicative of the rest of the country.

    • @patriciarmuller6283
      @patriciarmuller6283 День тому

      @@xunqianbaidu6917more in that direction than not.
      And I’ve lived in lots of places

    • @patriciarmuller6283
      @patriciarmuller6283 День тому

      Are you”suburban moms” not a sad old label or trope?

    • @justsurfin5013
      @justsurfin5013 День тому

      @@xunqianbaidu6917 Yeah...that is definitely true. We'll it is just that when the term is used it is always used to refer to white middle class housewives. I feel that that definition is fading. Which is a good thing

    • @gilbert7809
      @gilbert7809 День тому

      🥰

  • @85532wefzbnh585325km
    @85532wefzbnh585325km День тому +5

    OMG - can this conversation get any more "WHITE"?

  • @dunjica77
    @dunjica77 День тому +9

    "We range from Center Left to Center Right," so basically we don't range:))))

    • @homerroad
      @homerroad День тому

      Yeah. Useless.

    • @anthill1510
      @anthill1510 День тому +4

      I am still wondering who is supposed to be the center left voice.

    • @pammedfordconley
      @pammedfordconley День тому

      @@anthill1510THIS. I identify as center left and I don’t see my views here anywhere

  • @chlakosek
    @chlakosek День тому +5

    You guys just both sides something. You are not serious people.

  • @mattgibson6144
    @mattgibson6144 День тому +8

    Sonny on abortion - "One side says there should be none, the other says it should be up to the moment of birth." 🤔
    Please cite your sources (besides Trump/Vance) for the side calling for abortion up to the moment of birth! Parroting the propaganda of the right as fact has no place in reasonable discussion or journalism.

    • @michaelmeroyers5487
      @michaelmeroyers5487 День тому +1

      i’m nancyr and no one can have an abortion when you’re too far along and the baby is viable) able to live on its own. i’m a nurse and the cut off date is 4-5 months at the latest

    • @marykatebluhm3597
      @marykatebluhm3597 16 годин тому +1

      Yup. "up to birth" is crap talk. This episode is my least favorite of the Bulwark 😡😡😡. One woman, and a very conservative one 😡😡.

  • @aliceanneacts6164
    @aliceanneacts6164 День тому +5

    And no one of color either? Geez Louise…

  • @emg79-mq2lx
    @emg79-mq2lx День тому +6

    This is a miss.

  • @lizryan513
    @lizryan513 День тому +15

    Mona usually disguises it but on abortion and Gaza, she is the bigot from Bulwark

    • @anthill1510
      @anthill1510 День тому +1

      When I see Mona I always see this one scene from Titanic flash before my eyes. The one where Rose sits in the upper class dining room and looks around at all these women in their oppulent dresses and hats, making polite conversation and Rose is thinking about that this is how her whole life is going to be and her gaze stops at the table next to her where a mother is correcting her daughter to sit perfectly upright.
      That mother is Mona, that`s the scene I see every time she comes on screen and talks.

  • @tedfahy3843
    @tedfahy3843 День тому +4

    As @abv250 said, this entire conversation about termination is astonishingly clueless.
    You are talking about “how much restriction” - it entirely misses the point.
    The ISSUE is about the locus of control and who makes the decision.
    I am Catholic.
    I am also a pediatrician who has dealt with fetuses with anencephaly and many other horrible birth defects.
    The decision does NOT belong with ignorant, ideological judges, lawyers, and legislators who have zero understanding of on-the-ground medical decision making.
    It belongs with the family and caregivers. Full stop.
    Don’t frame it like the media.
    Don’t frame it at all.
    Accept the reality that families should make decisions about their medical care. Leave them alone. They are grieving as they choose, regardless of how they choose.

  • @85532wefzbnh585325km
    @85532wefzbnh585325km День тому +4

    GEEZ US ... this is so 1950s .... What is wrong with you people????

  • @ChoadOnTheHill
    @ChoadOnTheHill День тому +4

    Governor Tim Walz is a solid choice by Kamala. With his 3 Congress Skeet Shoot trophies he put a stitch in the lips of them gun-jobs. Once upon a time, scrounging a pick-a-part to keep my work truck on the road (and by extension me working) I happened across one of them vacuum bladders around a water pump fan shroud and had no idea what I was looking at. Now I do. Too many greasy episodes, engine rebuilds and clutch pack refresh included, managed to subsist by junior college learning and years of solving my own vehicle issues. Walz strikes a chord that needed striking IMO. Trumpers can delude themselves with ideas of JD or Don Jr beneath the hood with them, up to their elbows in it.

  • @Wud-f2r
    @Wud-f2r День тому +4

    Protector, predator, same difference, right?

  • @Amy-mz7ps
    @Amy-mz7ps День тому +4

    Women are creeped out by Trump’s “protector” speech.

  • @patriciarmuller6283
    @patriciarmuller6283 День тому +5

    Yay Mona re immigration!
    My dad came to America as a 10 year old German kid in 1931.
    We are ALL of immigrant ancestors

    • @juliasimpson1759
      @juliasimpson1759 День тому

      @@patriciarmuller6283 Yes, we are. Thank you for saying that.

  • @connietangeman
    @connietangeman День тому +5

    I'm all for religion but definitely against false messaging cults!

    • @lisanunlist9510
      @lisanunlist9510 День тому

      READ Tim Alberta; he says the same thing & really knows history of the White Evangelical Nationalist movement.

  • @ajdailey3698
    @ajdailey3698 День тому +3

    Donnie has unzipped his fly and ran off most women.

  • @cpoinsette
    @cpoinsette День тому +4

    I am a Dem and we just want Roe back.

  • @hcoughing
    @hcoughing 17 годин тому +3

    Hey Bulwark, I really hope someone reads these messages. As an avid watcher and as a woman - a white one no less - this panel is incredibly tone deaf. Having 4 white men and 1 white woman - one who has great, thoughtful commentary but frankly, isn't from the same generation as many of your listeners - discuss the gender gap is insulting. Even more so with the video thumbnail - 'Trump is Absolutely Toxic to Women". Do you really not see how problematic that is? By all means, Tim Alberta should be there for his reporting, but God forbid you have 2 women - or a single POC - on for a discussion about WOMEN. This is the first time I've been really disappointed in the Bulwark. I'm not going anywhere for my fave creators, but truthfully, I doubt I'll ever watch Beg to Differ again. It's never fully hit with me, but this one really solidified that it's not for me.

  • @lisaferris1
    @lisaferris1 13 годин тому +3

    This show is always the hardest to listen too for me, a democrat who actually thinks the govt should help people/ not make fun of populism and only use it to get votes in a phony way.

  • @gcs7817
    @gcs7817 День тому +4

    The Harris campaign needs to
    Do interviews on alternative media outlets
    Go to where the younger males are
    Hold rallies in rural heartland America , Austin TX and Miami FL

    • @anthill1510
      @anthill1510 День тому

      Yes, please somebody send Tim Walz there!

  • @jwoolman5
    @jwoolman5 День тому +3

    The problem with restrictions on abortion is that you have to justify forcing a woman to remain pregnant against her will. I just can't make that case. This means the woman has to make the final decision, as she does with her other health issues, even if my decision might be very different. We are not forcing abortion on anybody. We just want women to be able to follow their own religious and ethical beliefs in such matters. Instead, legislators are forcing birth and forcing delays in real medical situations that can kill or damage the mother, which of course will also kill the zygote or embryo or fetus anyway if it is still alive.
    You still have to find a doctor willing to do any procedure, so conscientious objection to abortion by medical professionals can still be protected by law. Doctors can still refuse to do a particular procedure because it violates their own ethics. In the third trimester especially, something has already gone terribly wrong and there will be options acceptable to both the doctor and the woman. If the fetus is alive and viable at that point, generally induced labor or surgical removal of the fetus would be done and the newborn would be provided with whatever care is needed to help them survive. If nothing can be done to save the newborn, palliative care will be provided. The woman has the final say, but still has to find medical personnel to implement her decision and so these decisions will necessarily be made together with a doctor. (We are ignoring the other elephant on the room, namely who is going to pay for all this, but that's a problem for everybody in the US whenever they come in contact with the health care system.)
    But we see the real consequences of legislated restrictions has been that women are not medically treated in a timely manner and this can and does kill them. Medical people are afraid of losing their licenses and being imprisoned if they treat the medical issues. Women are increasingly expected to prove that a miscarriage was not a deliberate abortion. They have to come close to death (and they do sometimes die or are terribly injured in the process) before simple procedures are performed when things have gone very wrong during a pregnancy.
    The state and in particular legislators simply lack the knowledge and wisdom and moral standing to force their decisions on anyone else for matters involving a woman's body. Medical decisions often have to be made quickly and can't wait for the lawyers to decide the legal risks. If they don't like the fact that the zygote and embryo and fetus are part of the woman's body until it leaves the womb, they need to complain to the God that designed us that way. While they are complaining they might consider that very likely most conceptions never result in a live birth. It is a very rocky road from conception to birth, with no human intervention at all.

  • @KDawnGoodwin
    @KDawnGoodwin 23 години тому +3

    I’d like a moratorium on a panel of men explaining how women feel about abortion

  • @Val-uy2me
    @Val-uy2me День тому +3

    It's pretty strange that there is only one woman represented here in this conversation. Why?!?

  • @DungeonDragon18
    @DungeonDragon18 День тому +4

    I'm in favor of no restrictions on abortion, and here's why. The question isn't which abortions are unethical, it's when do the restrictions do more good than harm, and I think the answer is never. Say you set the restrictions at no third trimester abortions except in cases of fetal abnormality. You're still going to hurt more women having to abort wanted pregnancies for reasons outside their control than you are going to stop women who decided to get an abortion at nine months because they changed their mind. I think that the woman and her doctor are the best judges of the situation, and getting the government involved just causes problems.

    • @michaelmeroyers5487
      @michaelmeroyers5487 День тому

      i’m nancyr when i was 20 there was this girl in the other side of the dental office. she stayed pregnant bcos she wanted this guy to marry her. she must’ve been 8 months pregnant. i thought that was disgusting at the time and still do. but i’m 70 and that was 50 years ago 😊

  • @annmariehicks1239
    @annmariehicks1239 День тому +3

    Was the gender gap on this panel meant to be an ironic nod to the topic? :-(

  • @kierstenridgway4634
    @kierstenridgway4634 День тому +15

    Whose having or performing abortion up to birth!?

    • @annejohnson5875
      @annejohnson5875 День тому

      Yeah, I don't understand why they are spreading misinformation. It's getting more difficult to tell the difference between the Bulwark and Infowars.

    • @anthill1510
      @anthill1510 День тому +2

      Nobody. It`S only done when the life of the mother is at risk.

    • @annejohnson5875
      @annejohnson5875 День тому

      @@anthill1510 but these gaslighting ghouls are not making that distinction. They aren't much better than Trumpers.

    • @sheelfjohnson
      @sheelfjohnson День тому +5

      Nobody is doing that blithely. These are women who wanted that baby but something went terribly wrong with the baby or the mother. It's so insane for them to cater to this b.s. fantasy that forced birthers have tried to spread that women would carry a baby for 9 months then decide "Nah". It's idiotic.

    • @joanfregapane8683
      @joanfregapane8683 День тому

      Nobody

  • @pamlewis1183
    @pamlewis1183 День тому +3

    I want you folks to take a close look at Florida and Texas.

  • @renatheer
    @renatheer 14 годин тому +2

    This segment is usually bad, but this takes it to another level. It seems like NONE of you understands what "no restrictions" means, and since you're pretty smart people in general, I'll have to take it that you do it on purpose. There are no restrictions POLITICALLY. ...you think doctors just preform abortions on a whim? You think they don't have any ethics to follow? You think no restrictions means you can just change your mind in week 38? Even when you don't have any set time limit, vertically ALL elected abortions happen before 12 weeks. The tiny fraction that happens after that is usually complicated reasons, and they happen mostly up until week 20. After that, it's mostly horribly sad reasons and there's no winners. No doctors would preform an abortion on a viable fetus, are you all bad actors, conservatives?

  • @lenitavanhoff2961
    @lenitavanhoff2961 День тому +2

    Take away my options regarding my own reproductive system. And what's next?? What's the goal??? Gilead.

  • @LogicAndReason2025
    @LogicAndReason2025 День тому +2

    Remember in November: Most MAGA men want to own women as virtual property like in theocracies. Don't be a Serena Joy Waterford and find out the consequences too late.
    If you think this impossible, tell us why it can happen all over the world, but can't happen here. (Cue final Jeopardy theme)

  • @JanMcEvoy-p9k
    @JanMcEvoy-p9k День тому +2

    Where are the women in this panel? Awkward viewing especially seeing the men stumble though the abortion issue.

  • @KarynAbraham-kr7ug
    @KarynAbraham-kr7ug День тому +2

    This panel of men really don't get it. Really a poor choice in a discussion about women's rights to make their decisions with their doctors about their bodies. Maybe the men in this panel would have more concern about the Republican's passing laws regarding women's reproductive decisions if they had some skin in the game. The casual discussion about who is in favor and probably in 5 years