no, you are getting it wrong. it is not that most dem women or most women favor abortion in all circumstances. it is that they feel the decision about that should be for them, their doctors, and their families to make and not the government.
Exactly this. There should be (nearly) no need for elective abortion - education and readily available contraception can prevent pregnancy. But every woman should make her own decisions for her own body, no exceptions. If men are worried about abortions then they can all get vasectomies.
I'm a 66 y.o. man, and it was one of the creepiest, sickest things I've ever heard from a political candidate. If anyone had any doubt that he's a Predator and a Serial Rapist, well, that should have been a wake up. Vance refers to women as 'females' because he views them as livestock.
Yes, me too! Especially since I've felt less safe than I ever have in my life since DJT started his run for the 2016 presidency. Plus, it just made me want to vomit.
Mona, the reason some people are against restrictions on abortion is because they've seen that exceptions don't work. Women don't go around carrying pregnancy for 30 or 35 weeks and then getting an abortion on a whim. Exceptions. Don't. Work.
THANK YOU for making the point that no, people are NOT getting "abortions on demand up until the moment of birth" or whatever nonsense Republicans keep parroting. Over 90% of abortions occur within the first 20 or so weeks. If there are complications 8 or 9 months in, the doctors do everything they can to save the baby and deal with the complications as necessary because that baby was probably WANTED. 6 or 7 months in is a rare time for a pregnancy to be deliberately ended, but if the fetus is not viable and won't survive either way, do you just shrug and get ready to bury a living adult who has loved ones and responsibilities to return to? And it's not just exceptions for the health of pregnant people that don't work. How are you supposed to prove you were raped and need an exception? If there's a statewide or nationwide ban at 16 weeks in effect, and you only find out around week 8 or so that you're definitely pregnant and need to act now, are the courts supposed to convict your rapist and grant permission for you to get an abortion within the next month or so? Because then you still need time to schedule the procedure, too. What the hell are you supposed to do to prove you "deserve" an abortion, and who are we to decide for you whether you "deserve" one or not? Everyone's circumstances and every pregnancy is different. Our laws and government simply cannot keep up with every possible case, and monitor every pregnancy to determine who must be forced to carry to term and who "deserves" to have their own choice respected. No one is forcing you to abort your rapist's child if you strongly believe that the child should not pay for the sins of the rapist. And no Democrat is forcing an abortion onto you if it's your own health and body that's really making the choice. But forcing someone to co-parent with their rapist, or wait until their body begins to shut down before you even try to save them, is beyond cruel. See how individual choice is something that works for everyone, while exceptions in an otherwise restrictive setting don't?
@burntorangehorn - I was in the medical science field. Not an MD or even a clinician, but I know a lot of clinicians. I promise you that late-term abortions don't happen unless there is something very wrong with the fetus. It is an NON-ISSUE. And the infanticide that Trump describes is pure fantasy.
To me, the worst part about it is additional trauma on top of such a painful situation as losing a much wanted child. I get really angry when I think about someone forcing their religious ideology in between me and my wife, and our doctor.
Former Republican here. I used to be moderate on abortion, believing it should be legal, but in favor of limits. Now, I would say No Limits because the GOP can’t be trusted. If we could have readily available contraceptives (including Plan B), sex education in all schools (age appropriate, informative, and not relying on abstinence), and exceptions for rape, incest, health of the mother and non-viability of the fetus, THEN we can talk about limits. I used to worry about abortion being used as birth control. I realize now it’s none of my business why a woman would seek an abortion; that’s between a woman and her doctor, and frankly I trust them to make that decision more than the government.
Also, in this panel, where is the vaunted U.S. diversity? Good to see a traditional discussion of women’s issue with 80% of the panelists being men. /s Did the Bulwark editors notice that?
I was just getting started in my career when Mona Charen published a book : "Sex Matters: How Modern Feminism Lost Touch with Science, Love, and Common Sense." It criticized women in the workplace & unnecessarily dissected everything women did.. I am still waiting for an apology from Charen, who took all the advantages won by feminists and then decided to take ride on the always-popular trend of dumping on women. If Trump is elected, look for Charen to go back to critically pointing out all the ways in which women are not perfect.
@@AlvaSudden --The prejudices, limitations, and perspectives of patriarchy have dominated the collective consciousness (and that means public conversations) for centuries. It's like getting an ocean liner to change its course. Also, there are far more rewards for women who side with the status quo than for those who break free to expose the Light of a higher consciousness. The emphasis on all things male along with the asymmetry of the masculine perspective is WHY gun rights are upheld over children's safety; and why the macho stance in everything from football to militarism dominates our nation's priorities. It's why the Pentagon is yet to be audited and why money is unquestionably allocated to the War Machine while things as significant as supplemental school lunch programs for marginal children are heavily debated. It's why the armed forces are a staple of the nation while national health CARE is not.
legit looked for a contact email for them (which is oddly absent from anywhere on their website that I can find...) and then tweeted this sentiment which I couldn't agree with more (see my rant above lol). i really hope someone reads those messages. Frankly I think their audience deserves an apology for this. Just recognize that you hear and see how f*cking tone deaf and irresponsible this type of commentary is. The Bulwark is part of the problem with this one.
@@lisanunlist9510 couldn't agree more. She always rubbed me the wrong way - she comes off like an uppity judgemental woman (sorry not sorry) - but this just puts me over the edge. That's honestly despicable
I cant continue to listten to this! Abortion must be allowed throughout pregnancy. Primarily bc you cannot list every single complication of every stage of pregnancy and delivery. This is evidenced by the number of women who have diagnosed need for abortion yet are not getting the dire healthcare they deserve, with many women developing sepsis, losing fertility, requiring life-flight trips to a blue state and many dying. Its a shame that men and the few women that do espouse prolife sentiment, would do thisto their wives, mothers, sisters, aunts, neices and friends. Andwhy are you speaking of young men when the conversation was about abortion?
@@dorothypettijohn1037 and we now know of two preventable deaths. And I think that number is going to rise as the mortality reviews work their way through the systems..,
I was just getting started in my career when Mona Charen published a book : "Sex Matters: How Modern Feminism Lost Touch with Science, Love, and Common Sense." It criticized women in the workplace & unnecessarily dissected everything women did.. I am still waiting for an apology from Charen, who took all the advantages won by feminists and then decided to take ride on the always-popular trend of dumping on women. If Trump is elected, look for Charen to go back to critically pointing out all the ways in which women are not perfect.
@@AlvaSuddenif Trump is elected? I see Mona leaning back to her conservative ways if HARRIS or anyone other then Trump is elected but not if Trump himself goes back to WH. If Trump is defeated, I see conservatives possibly seeing the fight being over & they can get comfortable in their old thinking & 'indulge' in their previous policy views once again. @ least move back to center right instead of dead center or cntr left leaning. If Trump is elected, the fight will be on even more than ever to keep the country from tumbling over a cliff. Mona won't pick that time to indulge in previous views of debating feminism. I can't see that happening
@lisanunlist9510 And lots of women's health providers are just outright leaving areas (states, in most cases) that are hostile to women's reproductive health. Too much risk.
That’s exactly my thought as well. That’s why more progressive states have virtually no written proscriptions, so the women, healthcare providers and THEIR ethics and oaths can guide the decisions.
Not only are people NOT getting "abortions on demand up until birth", what they ARE doing is finding out the hard way that exceptions only some abortion bans have simply don't work. Do you have to be essentially already dead, or at risk of losing your future fertility, to be given basic medical care? Do you have to get your rapist convicted, then get a court order allowing your abortion, then fight with your care providers to schedule your abortion as soon as possible, all within 16 weeks because after that there are no exceptions at all? How the actual heck do you even make use of these exceptions in the real world? Because them being written down on paper so they can be used in theory does not mean you can trust them in practice.
The only reason to eliminate Roe is to make sure women cannot have abortions if they are having complications. The vast majority of abortions after the first trimester are because there is something wrong with the mom or baby. They want to stop women from getting healthcare, plain and simple, because they were already limiting abortions where the fetus was viable.
I had to leave a comment about this. Honestly I might even email them. I'm a relatively new bulwark subscriber (Tim brought me in but I also love JVL, Sarah, Sam - lots of great people and great insights - but this made my blood boil. The audacity and privilege to do this without women. And Mona needs to grow the f*ck up. Stop parroting conservative bullshit and expecting us to swallow it. Restrictions DON'T WORK. Glad Mona has never had to be in that situation but some of us have.
@@hcoughing please hang in with channel in general-most of it is good. I’m a raised republican and I rarely make it through even 5 minutes of this particular weekly show-recommend you skip “beg to differ.” And also, yes, email them. Not sure they quite get how often this show really offends so many of us…
He may be delusional but his tricks work... he's still got a fan base of at least 60 million deceived followers. It is beyond troubling. Of course he did not gain this influence single-handedly. Fox "news" and the right-wing church "leaders" along with the Leonard Leo pay-to-play appointed judges factor into the dark calculus.
Missus here: Please don't forget that the reasoning for the Dobbs decision took women's rights back to 1787 and the ratification of the Constitution. How long will the 19th Amendment stand against that legal reasoning in the SC? Do you understand what a woman's rights were in 1787?
A very important reason to vote blue. Women only got the right to vote in 1920, for a long time they couldn’t own land, have their own checking account or credit card in their name. Back in the 60s in some states, women had to get permission to use birth control from their husbands. Until the late 70s women had no job protection for pregnancy, when they went on maternity leave they could be demoted or fired when they went back to work. A lot of these rights came about in my lifetime since I was 10 years old when Row vs. Wade was passed. That means my mother had fewer rights than I did, my grandmother had even fewer rights than my mother. She didn’t even have the right to vote until 1920. She was born in the early 1900s. I definitely do not want to go back.
@@stevenelson2641I hear you. 😢It is however more difficult (hopefully) to overturn a Constitutional Amendment, which has been passed by Congress and ratified by the states, than to overturn a court precedent. I have no doubt that Vance and his sugar daddy Peter Thiel would love to take a crack at it, however 😒
I watched a clip of a state level congressional debate where they were discussing women's health. One of the Democrats was talking about menstruation and one of the Republican congressmen interrupted her and asked her if it was necessary to discuss that topic. I could only shake my head...
As a leftie liberal Let me tell you REPUBLICANS- We don't want 'NO RESTRICTIONS'! Most of us are fine with Roe where there there were sensible restrictions. 50 years of declining abortion rates and 1970's -2010's declining maternal mortality. RATE INCREASED 2010-2020, BUT STILL REMAINED BELOW 1970 RATE.
Problem is, many red states took every possible opportunity to restrict abortion even under Roe. Look up abortion rights maps from before Dobbs, and you'll see.
Nor is it happening regularly where there are few or no restrictions. The problem with legislating it is doctors pause. Women need to get very sick before an intervention. So more will die. Trust doctors and women! I know someone who had pre-eclampsia at 25 weeks. Long story short, in a state where they had to wait. She lost the baby (which was a given) and she lost her fertility.
1. Women don't carry for 8.9 months and then get abortions for the sake of convenience. 2. Late-term abortions are sometimes necessary for the health of the pregnant person, and exceptions don't work, as Ken Paxton has shown us. Even when legislators (who rarely know anything about obstetrics) write exceptions into law, the wording is usually poor, or there's an overzealous government official, making the liability too great for the provider to terminate a pregnancy when needed.
As an Australian spectator I’m terrified and confused by the USA. How Canadians sleep with the USA in their basement amazes me. That anyone ever believed Trump’s carnival barker shtick, never mind almost half an electorate, fills me with despair. This election is too close for the rest of us to have confidence in the US as a partner. I hope for a rebound.
It's not half the electorate. Maga is 30% of GOP. As explained on defiant lawyers, black men support of Trump is based on misunderstanding of how government works. They think Trump gave himself money during COVID, after all he signed the check. But constitution gives congress the power to raise and spend government funds.
i’m nancyr and i’m originally from canada and have a lot of relatives there. we’re going to win anyway, so quit worrying and there’s a sane majority here in the US of us that despise tRumpking as much as you do. i do. calm down, many fed up republicans are joining us, etc. 2 predictions are that we’re winning the election. one guy has correctly called presidential elections since 2004. we will keep Biden as president until we get everything sorted. great videos in Australia, better than our media, that let us down. 👋😄😈👊👊👊🐁🐀🐷🐈⬛🐈⬛🐈⬛🐶🐶🐶🗳️🗳️💙💙🦋🦋🐈⬛👋
@mgregory2430 - Try LIVING in the US!!!! I'm getting my passport updated in case Trump wins and am trying to figure out a way to immigrate to Canada long-term should he become POTUS again. Of course, I don't think Canada would even want me. However, it's better to live with the US in your basement than to be IN the US under another Trump Administration.
Just got in a stupid argument with a young “bro” type in the comments of another video. So glad I’m not in the dating pool where I have to deal with these types.
Trump...women love me! Creepy. Trump...I will protect you. Gross. Trump ...dont worry ladies you will not have to think for yourself anymore because your men folk will do that for you. Sends shivers down my spine.
"LITTLE LADY, DON'T WORRY YOUR PRETTY HEAD, GRAB THEM BY THE 🐺, FORTUNELY OR UNFORTUNATELY, NOT MY TYPE, C You Next Tuesday." I'm still furious over every single quote of his & what each implies about about his mindset. On top of that, what that implies about the woman' who follow him. Their self esteem, self awareness & connections to other women who votes for him. It's horrifying.
@@bookbwitched6823 I may be a european boii, but I do recognize the mindset very well. The thing that scares me most isn't that some people don't want to think, but why: the authoritarian need to litigate what kinks are "correct" to have. I am dead serious. I have several acquaintances who melt at the thought of a man controlling their bodies and minds. The difference is that they are able to keep consensual intimacy and politics apart.
Tim A, please avoid using the term “soccer mom” for highly educated women living in the suburbs. That is such a generalization. Many of us have full-time careers that actually tap into our high level of education and skill levels…..but yes, women AND men care about safety and security, whether we have children in school or not.
I've never been a fan of that generalization. I know lots of those moms who have businesses and careers, and I have been married to one for over 39 years. I think he's a little confused about the subject.
Yes! Is there a comparable term for suburban men? Women are constantly being reduced to memes, “soccer moms” “childless cat ladies” & post menopausal. Just call us what we are, college educated, suburban etc
@@katinkagoncalves913 Thank you. For all my career, I have felt like someone (mostly male colleagues) wanted to put me into a box and keep me in a box, despite having more experience, skill, knowledge, credentials and /or education than most. To experience these stereotypes over and over again is so disrespectful to the professional level many women have achieved, even if some step away briefly to care for children. To be reduced to a label like soccer mom is no better than calling someone a childless cat lady. We can and should do better than this when talking to and about your voters.
Having had a number of heart-breaking miscarriages at various stages of pregnancy, I literally would be dead if these anti-woman laws had been in effect. Pregnancy can be a very complicated process. Meddlers need to stay out of it and allow proper medical decisions to be made. There's no magic number of weeks when it would be ok for the government - or anyone - to step in and interfere.
@@RoseWeiss-q1t I agree with you completely, I suffered numerious ectopics (in the 80s when it meant big abdominal surgery!) In trumps America I would be dead too. The need to examine maternal deaths in the first trimester to search for all those ruptured ectopic pregnancies; they are leading cause of death in the first trimester.
i’m nancyr and i’m a 70 year old retired nurse and i’m soo sorry that you went through that. i’m disgusted that my 30 year old daughter has less rights than i did at 16. she doesn’t want kids and that’s her prerogative. when Vance talks about forced pregnancies, it makes me feel sick.
@@siouxrose7766 thanks for your reply i appreciate it. i never read Handmidens tale, bcos im an old women’s libber for years and i’ve been through enough life experiences to not want to read about it. have a great day today and stay cool 🆒😎😈👊👊👊🐷🐁🐀🐈⬛🐈⬛🐈⬛🐶🐶💙💙🗳️🗳️🦋🦋🦋🦋👋
He sounded exactly like an abusive boyfriend or husband. SUPER creepy triggering language made me absolutely shudder. I know they they told him that he needs to appeal to women, but I'll tell you, that pitch did the exact opposite!
Missus again: Unfortunately, abortions of a successful pregnancy and abortive procedures that are used as healthcare to "clean a woman out" after a catastrophic pregnancy loss so she won't die of infection or blood loss or burst Fallopian tubes, are both referred to as "abortion" in these discussions. Sadly no distinction is made between the two different kinds procedures.
That's true, but either way, these are very personal decisions that affect women's lives in profound ways. They shouldn't be decided by politicians who follow a fringe religious belief, and probably think that babies and blood come out the pee hole. MOST CHRISTIANS DISAGREE WITH THEM. What about their religious freedom?
Because the red states don’t distinguish between the why & when of procedures - probably initially the politicians didn’t want anyone to stop. & think that just maybe this blanket prohibition is ethically wrong and possibly morally wrong as well.
The funny thing is most medical records do differentiate between them. Procedures are documented with an ICD-10 code explaining what the procedure is for. There are a bunch for pregnancy complications that would indicate a non-abortive D&C. There's also one that indicates an elective abortion. So lawmakers could allow D&C's as long as an appropriate ICD-10 code is attached. But I guess when you don't trust doctors to make good decisions regarding abortions, you don't trust them to code things honestly either.
Abortion doesn`t explain the gender gap at all: Young men also don`t want to be forced to be fathers. It`s way more fundamental than that: There is a lot of men who want womens rights rolled back. They are going after no fault divorce, some even womens vote. They are frustrated that women aren`t forced to serve them any more, that`s what this is about.
100 percent. Abortion is just part of many of many women's rights that they are trying to roll back and to simplify it to just that is pretty insulting. It is no surprise to me that more men are turning to religion to find a patriarchal structure where they are on top just be being a man.
@@SaraSmit-e8w Yes, but then WHY? Doesn't the "why" explain why it is both? If you want a pleasing life-servant to pander to your needs, whims, desires and fantasies, you will need to control that servant. Not just, say, random exercise of power. It's having tame servants. ( And that goes for racism as well. )
@anthill1510 I can't help but agree. Sometimes these pundits & t.v. peop r so focused on one talking point they don't take the time to think it thru. They just reiterate. It's almost like abortion is irrelevant to men as a voting motivation? They don't care about voting right to ban it but they might not be convinced to vote left to preserve it. I agree w/ u I think their concentration is on their rights vs the rights of women. & Yeah if anything, I think most young men want the option for their 'girl' to get an abortion if he wanted her to. Unfortunately idt it's enuf to get them to vote left always. Idk how they square that in their heads.
I don't look for politicians to protect me. Whoever wrote his speech has an odd, antiquated idea of women and what they're want. I want a politician that protects my rights and freedoms and stops corporations from screwing me over financially. I want government to function and do its job. The protection stuff seemed like a creepy dog whistle and his comment about women not being lonely was just... weird. Very very weird.
54 white woman with a complicated uterus and a 28 year old daughter and I am sooo with you. Seriously people who are not the specific women and their doctors should mind their own damn business about reproductive health care
Yeah, black young women are most effected by the abortion bans. Search for anybody representing one of these traits on the panel. And OLD people talking about young voters and what issues they vote on without even having soundbites of focus groups or anything like that. . Talking about the manosphere while clearly having never even heard of that word.
Where are more “women” in this discussion? Only the host? Really why? Not on point for the gender gap divide. Sad really. I’m in Canada & we appreciate diversity and a healthy racial mix when it’s a good healthy robust society issue.
Trump, himself, has said that he, himself, Trump, got Roe v Wade overturned. And Sonny Bunch, with all due respect, you are wrong about how "most" women feel about the "abortion issue."
The driving force behind abortion restrictions is that a fetus has genetic rights motivated by the religious concept that a fetus is assigned a soul at conception. This is an uncompromising position, which is divorced from the medical needs, biological facts, human rights and the freedom to exercise family planning. Ultimately it is a particular religious interpretation which should be rejected as a violation of the first amendment.
Be sure to pass a safety law so that the opposition is not able to pass legislation overturning the will of voters. The lack of this rule allowed the GOP to over ride election outcomes without consequences.
All of a sudden, that woman that yells "let women vote" in RDR2 takes a new dimension. I'll compliment her from now. :) Also, just reflecting on: "women don't have to worry about abortion anymore". what does that mean? "they are going to safe and happy and healthy". is he talking about poultry in a farm? Well, at least when they look back at this time after 100 years from now, they will at least notice a considerable portion of the people did oppose this and were against it. Coz one of the things that often comes up when talking about Hitler, and Stalin and Mao is how the hell did not the people know? How did they not protest? In this case... they did.
People protested and spoke out in Germany, too. He put accomplices into the courts, changed the laws to allow military in the streets, fostered militia, discredeted newspapers and published his own ones etc. Sounds familiar?
@@anthill1510 yeah mate. it does. its just that people ask: why didn't people rise up against it. as you pointed out they did. and maybe they should now?
Irrespective of personal views in relation to abortion, Most thinking, educated people believe that Women's bodily autonomy and health are decisions that must sit with Women, their families and their doctors, not ideologues and male politicians.
To be 'conditioned' into Stepford Wives. ----> Woman who lives a blindly conforming life The term “Stepford Wife” refers to a woman who lives a blindly conforming life, remaining subservient to her husband and other authority figures while attempting to offend no one. It is generally considered to be derogatory and is taken from a 1972 book, The Stepford Wives, which was later adapted into several feature films1. The term implies a woman who unquestioningly submits to and serves her male partner, and does not seem to have interests, wishes, or pursuits of her own.
@@anthill1510 I don't think Creepy Don knows what hypnosis is lol. And I say this as someone who _does_ do hypnokink and am very much aware and alert of the abuse that unfortunately does happen!
The issue of abortion is an issue of reproductive healthcare and the economy. Limitations on what we consider abortion access impact pregnant people, menopausal women, children, rape victims, cancer survivors, medical professionals...Medical decisions need to be private and need to be between individuals and their doctors. Doctors and nurses need to be allowed to follow their "calling." Economically, the general population can barely afford an emergency car repair. It is a huge imposition to force a need to entertain emergency travel arrangements on families.
Excellent observation on civil/cultural religions. I'm in the traditional liturgical tradition- those people are scaring us! The Germans tried this in the 30s.
Read Tim Alberta’s EXCELLENT books. He answered delicately: Mega/MAGA big box churches (White “Christian” Nationalism) vs standard Lutheran/Episcopalian liturgy w/well-educated, grounded clergy.
Back in the day I was a suburban mom (kiddo hated soccer though, so I was spared). I knew there were "illegal immigrants" living in cardboard boxes and thrown-together scrap wood shelters in the canyons near my Upper-Middle-Class San Diego home. Know what I worried about? - how they were keeping safe and dry and warm out there. Someone broke into my car late one night - it was an Upper-Middle-Class San Diego White Kid.
I love the Bulwark, truly one of my favorite media sites, but their background as "center right" Republicans is very telling on the abortion issue. They really should talk with an actual ardent pro-choice woman, like Jessica Valenti.
I am a suburban mom. I have a Volvo. I have a two car garage and a half an acre. The security I’m concerned about is my child surviving school. Are they going to come home alive? If you want to win over suburban moms, then do some thing about the guns.
Mona talking about each party vying for the “centrist ground”on abortion after Dobbs?? Democrats aren’t advocating for any extreme positions! That’s a Republican talking point. I’m having trouble listening to her - clicking away…
I agree we need some Harris surrogates on these manosphere blogs. Obviously Walz, but also Pete Buttegeig and Gavin Newsom would be great on these shows - and they’d be able to explain why Democrats are not bad, but in fact good for working class men
Most people to not argue abortion should be up to the moment of birth. That should not even be voiced. Only if a life is at stake. If it is between the life of their child or themselves most women would choose life for their child- but those tough personal decisions should be left to the person going through it -not the government and not rich old white men. I don’t know why stats are not used to show the majority of women are responsible to make their own choices. 😠
What if you were already a mother and have to make a choice between yourself and your unborn child? Would you leave her existing child motherless? These are not decisions. We left after the state. These are personal decisions.
Less than 1% of abortions are late term. If you look at the academic literature there are primarily two reasons why they are sought, major fetal abnormalities that couldn't be detected in the first or second trimester and people who for whatever reason weren't able to access an abortion earlier (poverty, stigma, access issues etc). The second issue could be solved by ensuring unstigmatized timely affordable healthcare.
Yeah, he is not correct that this is all about abortion. It`s way more fundamental than that: There is a lot of men who want womens rights rolled back. They are going after no fault divorce, some even womens vote. Men are frustrated that women caught up in the work force and aren`t forced to serve them any more. That`s what this is about.
It`s not even just that, an old woman talking about the manosphere ,wich she clearly hadn`t heard about until 5 minutes ago, and doesn`t understand at all makes no sense, either. I would say the problem is more with old, out-of-touch priviledged pundits trying to talk about people that live an average life. They have no idea what that`s like.
Men also act as if pregnancy is only about the gestation period and the delivery of a child. It's not. It's about all the years of raising children. When this guy says that things can change in 4 or 5 years, what good does that do in the meantime for that lifetime commitment that has already occurred?
As a Republican soccer mom I am more concerned about women’s health care for myself and daughter. And you can bet that the men around me better be concerned about it too. I think a lot of men are concerned about unwanted pregnancy because they don’t want to take the responsibility of caring for their offspring. Safety my Fanny. We women can take care of ourselves.
Okay, you guys have depressed me enough for a Friday afternoon. It would be great, Mona, if you could at least try to focus more of the hour next week on Kamala Harris and perhaps be positive about her campaign. I was under the impression that the Bulwark was actually supporting her. Also, you can leave Tim off your list, too.
I was just getting started in my career when Mona Charen published a book : "Sex Matters: How Modern Feminism Lost Touch with Science, Love, and Common Sense." It criticized women in the workplace & unnecessarily dissected everything women did.. I am still waiting for an apology from Charen, who took all the advantages won by feminists and then decided to take ride on the always-popular trend of dumping on women. If Trump is elected, look for Charen to go back to critically pointing out all the ways in which women are not perfect.
The most depressing episode ever. All doom and gloom. You make Harris road to victory almost seem hopeless. This podcast feels very out of touch compared to the others. It’s also consistently the most negative with barely any diversity. II’ll stick with Tim Miller and Sarah Longwell.
Abortion as a political issue is about more than just the procedure and the right to it. It is a proxy for whether women should be treated as second class citizens or not.
God I love the generalities here ^_^. I live in northern VA. The "suburban moms" here are: Turkish, Korean, Hindi, etc.. I think on my street I have all of maybe 3 Caucasian "suburban moms". And the thing I don't understand about right wing politicians and their fear-mongering over this..I view this as "Cool, I get the learn about many different peoples, exposed to foods I never would have before, unique cultures, etc.". Heck my next door neighbor made the best Baklava...much YUMM.
@@xunqianbaidu6917 Yeah...that is definitely true. We'll it is just that when the term is used it is always used to refer to white middle class housewives. I feel that that definition is fading. Which is a good thing
Sonny on abortion - "One side says there should be none, the other says it should be up to the moment of birth." 🤔 Please cite your sources (besides Trump/Vance) for the side calling for abortion up to the moment of birth! Parroting the propaganda of the right as fact has no place in reasonable discussion or journalism.
i’m nancyr and no one can have an abortion when you’re too far along and the baby is viable) able to live on its own. i’m a nurse and the cut off date is 4-5 months at the latest
When I see Mona I always see this one scene from Titanic flash before my eyes. The one where Rose sits in the upper class dining room and looks around at all these women in their oppulent dresses and hats, making polite conversation and Rose is thinking about that this is how her whole life is going to be and her gaze stops at the table next to her where a mother is correcting her daughter to sit perfectly upright. That mother is Mona, that`s the scene I see every time she comes on screen and talks.
As @abv250 said, this entire conversation about termination is astonishingly clueless. You are talking about “how much restriction” - it entirely misses the point. The ISSUE is about the locus of control and who makes the decision. I am Catholic. I am also a pediatrician who has dealt with fetuses with anencephaly and many other horrible birth defects. The decision does NOT belong with ignorant, ideological judges, lawyers, and legislators who have zero understanding of on-the-ground medical decision making. It belongs with the family and caregivers. Full stop. Don’t frame it like the media. Don’t frame it at all. Accept the reality that families should make decisions about their medical care. Leave them alone. They are grieving as they choose, regardless of how they choose.
Governor Tim Walz is a solid choice by Kamala. With his 3 Congress Skeet Shoot trophies he put a stitch in the lips of them gun-jobs. Once upon a time, scrounging a pick-a-part to keep my work truck on the road (and by extension me working) I happened across one of them vacuum bladders around a water pump fan shroud and had no idea what I was looking at. Now I do. Too many greasy episodes, engine rebuilds and clutch pack refresh included, managed to subsist by junior college learning and years of solving my own vehicle issues. Walz strikes a chord that needed striking IMO. Trumpers can delude themselves with ideas of JD or Don Jr beneath the hood with them, up to their elbows in it.
Hey Bulwark, I really hope someone reads these messages. As an avid watcher and as a woman - a white one no less - this panel is incredibly tone deaf. Having 4 white men and 1 white woman - one who has great, thoughtful commentary but frankly, isn't from the same generation as many of your listeners - discuss the gender gap is insulting. Even more so with the video thumbnail - 'Trump is Absolutely Toxic to Women". Do you really not see how problematic that is? By all means, Tim Alberta should be there for his reporting, but God forbid you have 2 women - or a single POC - on for a discussion about WOMEN. This is the first time I've been really disappointed in the Bulwark. I'm not going anywhere for my fave creators, but truthfully, I doubt I'll ever watch Beg to Differ again. It's never fully hit with me, but this one really solidified that it's not for me.
This show is always the hardest to listen too for me, a democrat who actually thinks the govt should help people/ not make fun of populism and only use it to get votes in a phony way.
The Harris campaign needs to Do interviews on alternative media outlets Go to where the younger males are Hold rallies in rural heartland America , Austin TX and Miami FL
The problem with restrictions on abortion is that you have to justify forcing a woman to remain pregnant against her will. I just can't make that case. This means the woman has to make the final decision, as she does with her other health issues, even if my decision might be very different. We are not forcing abortion on anybody. We just want women to be able to follow their own religious and ethical beliefs in such matters. Instead, legislators are forcing birth and forcing delays in real medical situations that can kill or damage the mother, which of course will also kill the zygote or embryo or fetus anyway if it is still alive. You still have to find a doctor willing to do any procedure, so conscientious objection to abortion by medical professionals can still be protected by law. Doctors can still refuse to do a particular procedure because it violates their own ethics. In the third trimester especially, something has already gone terribly wrong and there will be options acceptable to both the doctor and the woman. If the fetus is alive and viable at that point, generally induced labor or surgical removal of the fetus would be done and the newborn would be provided with whatever care is needed to help them survive. If nothing can be done to save the newborn, palliative care will be provided. The woman has the final say, but still has to find medical personnel to implement her decision and so these decisions will necessarily be made together with a doctor. (We are ignoring the other elephant on the room, namely who is going to pay for all this, but that's a problem for everybody in the US whenever they come in contact with the health care system.) But we see the real consequences of legislated restrictions has been that women are not medically treated in a timely manner and this can and does kill them. Medical people are afraid of losing their licenses and being imprisoned if they treat the medical issues. Women are increasingly expected to prove that a miscarriage was not a deliberate abortion. They have to come close to death (and they do sometimes die or are terribly injured in the process) before simple procedures are performed when things have gone very wrong during a pregnancy. The state and in particular legislators simply lack the knowledge and wisdom and moral standing to force their decisions on anyone else for matters involving a woman's body. Medical decisions often have to be made quickly and can't wait for the lawyers to decide the legal risks. If they don't like the fact that the zygote and embryo and fetus are part of the woman's body until it leaves the womb, they need to complain to the God that designed us that way. While they are complaining they might consider that very likely most conceptions never result in a live birth. It is a very rocky road from conception to birth, with no human intervention at all.
I'm in favor of no restrictions on abortion, and here's why. The question isn't which abortions are unethical, it's when do the restrictions do more good than harm, and I think the answer is never. Say you set the restrictions at no third trimester abortions except in cases of fetal abnormality. You're still going to hurt more women having to abort wanted pregnancies for reasons outside their control than you are going to stop women who decided to get an abortion at nine months because they changed their mind. I think that the woman and her doctor are the best judges of the situation, and getting the government involved just causes problems.
i’m nancyr when i was 20 there was this girl in the other side of the dental office. she stayed pregnant bcos she wanted this guy to marry her. she must’ve been 8 months pregnant. i thought that was disgusting at the time and still do. but i’m 70 and that was 50 years ago 😊
Nobody is doing that blithely. These are women who wanted that baby but something went terribly wrong with the baby or the mother. It's so insane for them to cater to this b.s. fantasy that forced birthers have tried to spread that women would carry a baby for 9 months then decide "Nah". It's idiotic.
This segment is usually bad, but this takes it to another level. It seems like NONE of you understands what "no restrictions" means, and since you're pretty smart people in general, I'll have to take it that you do it on purpose. There are no restrictions POLITICALLY. ...you think doctors just preform abortions on a whim? You think they don't have any ethics to follow? You think no restrictions means you can just change your mind in week 38? Even when you don't have any set time limit, vertically ALL elected abortions happen before 12 weeks. The tiny fraction that happens after that is usually complicated reasons, and they happen mostly up until week 20. After that, it's mostly horribly sad reasons and there's no winners. No doctors would preform an abortion on a viable fetus, are you all bad actors, conservatives?
Remember in November: Most MAGA men want to own women as virtual property like in theocracies. Don't be a Serena Joy Waterford and find out the consequences too late. If you think this impossible, tell us why it can happen all over the world, but can't happen here. (Cue final Jeopardy theme)
This panel of men really don't get it. Really a poor choice in a discussion about women's rights to make their decisions with their doctors about their bodies. Maybe the men in this panel would have more concern about the Republican's passing laws regarding women's reproductive decisions if they had some skin in the game. The casual discussion about who is in favor and probably in 5 years
no, you are getting it wrong. it is not that most dem women or most women favor abortion in all circumstances. it is that they feel the decision about that should be for them, their doctors, and their families to make and not the government.
YES!
THIS is the truth.
Exactly this. There should be (nearly) no need for elective abortion - education and readily available contraception can prevent pregnancy. But every woman should make her own decisions for her own body, no exceptions. If men are worried about abortions then they can all get vasectomies.
They are getting it WRONG. But, you have five men on this "show"......Why?
What are these people talking about? Roe had a 24 week ban and that is all they are saying. Such gaslighting language from a woman.
Gaslighting language of an abuser. That pitch to women made my skin crawl
It was so gross.
I'm a 66 y.o. man, and it was one of the creepiest, sickest things I've ever heard from a political candidate. If anyone had any doubt that he's a Predator and a Serial Rapist, well, that should have been a wake up. Vance refers to women as 'females' because he views them as livestock.
Mine too! Really creepy.
Sounded like a Lifetime movie.
I’m exactly the woman he’s trying to sway - swing state security mom - and I’m completely repelled.
Trump is insulting women every day!
and what rumpled doesn’t do, Vance does and together they repel All Women of All Ages
The protector comment made my skin crawl.
It's like Gen. George Custer saying, he's the protecter of Native Americans!!
Yes, me too! Especially since I've felt less safe than I ever have in my life since DJT started his run for the 2016 presidency. Plus, it just made me want to vomit.
Everything about Convicted Felon Trump makes my skin crawl. There's nothing about him that doesn't.
Mona, the reason some people are against restrictions on abortion is because they've seen that exceptions don't work. Women don't go around carrying pregnancy for 30 or 35 weeks and then getting an abortion on a whim. Exceptions. Don't. Work.
YES - such an important point!
THANK YOU for making the point that no, people are NOT getting "abortions on demand up until the moment of birth" or whatever nonsense Republicans keep parroting. Over 90% of abortions occur within the first 20 or so weeks. If there are complications 8 or 9 months in, the doctors do everything they can to save the baby and deal with the complications as necessary because that baby was probably WANTED. 6 or 7 months in is a rare time for a pregnancy to be deliberately ended, but if the fetus is not viable and won't survive either way, do you just shrug and get ready to bury a living adult who has loved ones and responsibilities to return to?
And it's not just exceptions for the health of pregnant people that don't work. How are you supposed to prove you were raped and need an exception? If there's a statewide or nationwide ban at 16 weeks in effect, and you only find out around week 8 or so that you're definitely pregnant and need to act now, are the courts supposed to convict your rapist and grant permission for you to get an abortion within the next month or so? Because then you still need time to schedule the procedure, too.
What the hell are you supposed to do to prove you "deserve" an abortion, and who are we to decide for you whether you "deserve" one or not? Everyone's circumstances and every pregnancy is different. Our laws and government simply cannot keep up with every possible case, and monitor every pregnancy to determine who must be forced to carry to term and who "deserves" to have their own choice respected.
No one is forcing you to abort your rapist's child if you strongly believe that the child should not pay for the sins of the rapist. And no Democrat is forcing an abortion onto you if it's your own health and body that's really making the choice. But forcing someone to co-parent with their rapist, or wait until their body begins to shut down before you even try to save them, is beyond cruel. See how individual choice is something that works for everyone, while exceptions in an otherwise restrictive setting don't?
@burntorangehorn - I was in the medical science field. Not an MD or even a clinician, but I know a lot of clinicians. I promise you that late-term abortions don't happen unless there is something very wrong with the fetus. It is an NON-ISSUE. And the infanticide that Trump describes is pure fantasy.
To me, the worst part about it is additional trauma on top of such a painful situation as losing a much wanted child. I get really angry when I think about someone forcing their religious ideology in between me and my wife, and our doctor.
Former Republican here. I used to be moderate on abortion, believing it should be legal, but in favor of limits. Now, I would say No Limits because the GOP can’t be trusted. If we could have readily available contraceptives (including Plan B), sex education in all schools (age appropriate, informative, and not relying on abstinence), and exceptions for rape, incest, health of the mother and non-viability of the fetus, THEN we can talk about limits. I used to worry about abortion being used as birth control. I realize now it’s none of my business why a woman would seek an abortion; that’s between a woman and her doctor, and frankly I trust them to make that decision more than the government.
I’m not pro-abortion, not by any means. But I am pro get-the-F-out of my business.
I love your reply, next time I am hit between the eyes before hardly a hello because I am older, gotta steal a variation of this from you…lol.
Absolutely!!!
Also, in this panel, where is the vaunted U.S. diversity? Good to see a traditional discussion of women’s issue with 80% of the panelists being men. /s
Did the Bulwark editors notice that?
I was just getting started in my career when Mona Charen published a book : "Sex Matters: How Modern Feminism Lost Touch with Science, Love, and Common Sense." It criticized women in the workplace & unnecessarily dissected everything women did.. I am still waiting for an apology from Charen, who took all the advantages won by feminists and then decided to take ride on the always-popular trend of dumping on women. If Trump is elected, look for Charen to go back to critically pointing out all the ways in which women are not perfect.
@@AlvaSudden --The prejudices, limitations, and perspectives of patriarchy have dominated the collective consciousness (and that means public conversations) for centuries. It's like getting an ocean liner to change its course.
Also, there are far more rewards for women who side with the status quo than for those who break free to expose the Light of a higher consciousness.
The emphasis on all things male along with the asymmetry of the masculine perspective is WHY gun rights are upheld over children's safety; and why the macho stance in everything from football to militarism dominates our nation's priorities. It's why the Pentagon is yet to be audited and why money is unquestionably allocated to the War Machine while things as significant as supplemental school lunch programs for marginal children are heavily debated.
It's why the armed forces are a staple of the nation while national health CARE is not.
@@AlvaSuddenThat does it: Alberta & Stein’re terrific, but NO CLICKS for Mona. Buh-bye 👋
legit looked for a contact email for them (which is oddly absent from anywhere on their website that I can find...) and then tweeted this sentiment which I couldn't agree with more (see my rant above lol). i really hope someone reads those messages. Frankly I think their audience deserves an apology for this. Just recognize that you hear and see how f*cking tone deaf and irresponsible this type of commentary is. The Bulwark is part of the problem with this one.
@@lisanunlist9510 couldn't agree more. She always rubbed me the wrong way - she comes off like an uppity judgemental woman (sorry not sorry) - but this just puts me over the edge. That's honestly despicable
I cant continue to listten to this! Abortion must be allowed throughout pregnancy. Primarily bc you cannot list every single complication of every stage of pregnancy and delivery. This is evidenced by the number of women who have diagnosed need for abortion yet are not getting the dire healthcare they deserve, with many women developing sepsis, losing fertility, requiring life-flight trips to a blue state and many dying. Its a shame that men and the few women that do espouse prolife sentiment, would do thisto their wives, mothers, sisters, aunts, neices and friends.
Andwhy are you speaking of young men when the conversation was about abortion?
@@dorothypettijohn1037 and we now know of two preventable deaths. And I think that number is going to rise as the mortality reviews work their way through the systems..,
Don't worry the GOP has a solution for that.....thoughts and prayers.
i’m nancyr and this one woman said that if men got pregnant, they’d be able to get abortions at the ATM machine. loved it
I was just getting started in my career when Mona Charen published a book : "Sex Matters: How Modern Feminism Lost Touch with Science, Love, and Common Sense." It criticized women in the workplace & unnecessarily dissected everything women did.. I am still waiting for an apology from Charen, who took all the advantages won by feminists and then decided to take ride on the always-popular trend of dumping on women. If Trump is elected, look for Charen to go back to critically pointing out all the ways in which women are not perfect.
@@AlvaSuddenif Trump is elected? I see Mona leaning back to her conservative ways if HARRIS or anyone other then Trump is elected but not if Trump himself goes back to WH. If Trump is defeated, I see conservatives possibly seeing the fight being over & they can get comfortable in their old thinking & 'indulge' in their previous policy views once again. @ least move back to center right instead of dead center or cntr left leaning. If Trump is elected, the fight will be on even more than ever to keep the country from tumbling over a cliff. Mona won't pick that time to indulge in previous views of debating feminism. I can't see that happening
We ladies can't get enough of that stalker vibe.
🤣👏
A daily dose of listening to that would make me lose weight quickly. 🤮
Where do we restrct men's health care??
We can't have abortions either. 😅
Sorry, you're right. Just a little joke there along the lines of restricting the rich and poor to sleep under bridges and all that.
Thank you! You wanna prevent abortions, vasectomies for all who produce sperm at 15.
It was Kamala Harris who asked Brett Kavanaugh that same question.
Nowhere. They're allotted all kinds of perks, while pregnant women are denied coverage for iron pills.
Abortion should be legal in all circumstances. Let the doctor and patient decide. Otherwise, restrictions will creep back in.
Def NOT a Ted Cruz or Josh Hawley or John Roberts or any of the others.
My body. I have choices. I have an OB-GYN
Not Trump or the GOP
@@patriciarmuller6283Ob/gyns & women’s clinics are becoming more SCARCE!
@@lisanunlist9510 We all know why, and it's going to take decades to fix this, if ever.
@lisanunlist9510 And lots of women's health providers are just outright leaving areas (states, in most cases) that are hostile to women's reproductive health. Too much risk.
That’s exactly my thought as well. That’s why more progressive states have virtually no written proscriptions, so the women, healthcare providers and THEIR ethics and oaths can guide the decisions.
Most ppl do not understand the restrictions in place under Roe. It's NOT abortion on demand.
Not only are people NOT getting "abortions on demand up until birth", what they ARE doing is finding out the hard way that exceptions only some abortion bans have simply don't work. Do you have to be essentially already dead, or at risk of losing your future fertility, to be given basic medical care? Do you have to get your rapist convicted, then get a court order allowing your abortion, then fight with your care providers to schedule your abortion as soon as possible, all within 16 weeks because after that there are no exceptions at all? How the actual heck do you even make use of these exceptions in the real world? Because them being written down on paper so they can be used in theory does not mean you can trust them in practice.
THIS!
The only reason to eliminate Roe is to make sure women cannot have abortions if they are having complications. The vast majority of abortions after the first trimester are because there is something wrong with the mom or baby. They want to stop women from getting healthcare, plain and simple, because they were already limiting abortions where the fetus was viable.
Wow, you chose a week with no AB and no Linda to have THIS conversation? Sigh. I so want to like you folks. I really do…
I had to leave a comment about this. Honestly I might even email them. I'm a relatively new bulwark subscriber (Tim brought me in but I also love JVL, Sarah, Sam - lots of great people and great insights - but this made my blood boil. The audacity and privilege to do this without women. And Mona needs to grow the f*ck up. Stop parroting conservative bullshit and expecting us to swallow it. Restrictions DON'T WORK. Glad Mona has never had to be in that situation but some of us have.
@@hcoughing please hang in with channel in general-most of it is good. I’m a raised republican and I rarely make it through even 5 minutes of this particular weekly show-recommend you skip “beg to differ.” And also, yes, email them. Not sure they quite get how often this show really offends so many of us…
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At every level!
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AT ALL LEVELS, LET'S GO BLUE!!!
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@@best-pro570 Absolutely 💙
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Donald thinks he can do Jedi mind tricks. He's delusional.
He may be delusional but his tricks work... he's still got a fan base of at least 60 million deceived followers. It is beyond troubling. Of course he did not gain this influence single-handedly. Fox "news" and the right-wing church "leaders" along with the Leonard Leo pay-to-play appointed judges factor into the dark calculus.
Actually he has good reason to think that. His followers usually believe everything he says without question. Why not this?
After seeing the gender gap in support between Harris and Trump all I can say is thank goodness for the 19th amendment!
Hell yes.
Missus here: Please don't forget that the reasoning for the Dobbs decision took women's rights back to 1787 and the ratification of the Constitution. How long will the 19th Amendment stand against that legal reasoning in the SC? Do you understand what a woman's rights were in 1787?
Remember, they do want to revoke that right, too.
A very important reason to vote blue. Women only got the right to vote in 1920, for a long time they couldn’t own land, have their own checking account or credit card in their name. Back in the 60s in some states, women had to get permission to use birth control from their husbands. Until the late 70s women had no job protection for pregnancy, when they went on maternity leave they could be demoted or fired when they went back to work. A lot of these rights came about in my lifetime since I was 10 years old when Row vs. Wade was passed. That means my mother had fewer rights than I did, my grandmother had even fewer rights than my mother. She didn’t even have the right to vote until 1920. She was born in the early 1900s. I definitely do not want to go back.
@@stevenelson2641I hear you. 😢It is however more difficult (hopefully) to overturn a Constitutional Amendment, which has been passed by Congress and ratified by the states, than to overturn a court precedent. I have no doubt that Vance and his sugar daddy Peter Thiel would love to take a crack at it, however 😒
I am offended!!!😮 women don't need a man to determine what are health concerns are as they don't even know what our health care issues may be!!
I watched a clip of a state level congressional debate where they were discussing women's health. One of the Democrats was talking about menstruation and one of the Republican congressmen interrupted her and asked her if it was necessary to discuss that topic.
I could only shake my head...
@@silentotto5099they've demonstrated such ignorance on the subject matter 🙄
@@glennmorgan4197GOP congressman thought a mini-camera to see if it was a “legitimate rape”?!
As a leftie liberal Let me tell you REPUBLICANS- We don't want 'NO RESTRICTIONS'! Most of us are fine with Roe where there there were sensible restrictions. 50 years of declining abortion rates and 1970's -2010's declining maternal mortality. RATE INCREASED 2010-2020, BUT STILL REMAINED BELOW 1970 RATE.
Pisses me off. I dont understand why centers don’t have the statistics to back this up. Bottom line - we are not going back.
Problem is, many red states took every possible opportunity to restrict abortion even under Roe. Look up abortion rights maps from before Dobbs, and you'll see.
Creepy Don.
The Creepy and Creepier ticket.
Interchangeable on any given day.
Mona, please stop spreading misinformation. Nobody has a policy demanding late-term abortion.
Patient and doctor should make the decision, not politicians and lawyers. Imagine politicizing heart attacks or strokes, ffs. This is just wrong.
Nor is it happening regularly where there are few or no restrictions.
The problem with legislating it is doctors pause. Women need to get very sick before an intervention. So more will die. Trust doctors and women!
I know someone who had pre-eclampsia at 25 weeks. Long story short, in a state where they had to wait. She lost the baby (which was a given) and she lost her fertility.
Late term abortion can happen if the fetus is severely malformed or even dying.
@@debc2237why don’t people seem to know this?
1. Women don't carry for 8.9 months and then get abortions for the sake of convenience. 2. Late-term abortions are sometimes necessary for the health of the pregnant person, and exceptions don't work, as Ken Paxton has shown us. Even when legislators (who rarely know anything about obstetrics) write exceptions into law, the wording is usually poor, or there's an overzealous government official, making the liability too great for the provider to terminate a pregnancy when needed.
Another sausage party talking about what is important to Women 🙄 As a Woman, why should I care about this?
The way he treats women should turn men away from him as well, if they're good men anyway.
As an Australian spectator I’m terrified and confused by the USA. How Canadians sleep with the USA in their basement amazes me. That anyone ever believed Trump’s carnival barker shtick, never mind almost half an electorate, fills me with despair. This election is too close for the rest of us to have confidence in the US as a partner. I hope for a rebound.
It's not half the electorate. Maga is 30% of GOP. As explained on defiant lawyers, black men support of Trump is based on misunderstanding of how government works. They think Trump gave himself money during COVID, after all he signed the check. But constitution gives congress the power to raise and spend government funds.
Robin Williams once said it must feel like living above a meth lab for Canadians.
@@mgregory2430 So do we.
i’m nancyr and i’m originally from canada and have a lot of relatives there. we’re going to win anyway, so quit worrying and there’s a sane majority here in the US of us that despise tRumpking as much as you do. i do. calm down, many fed up republicans are joining us, etc. 2 predictions are that we’re winning the election. one guy has correctly called presidential elections since 2004. we will keep Biden as president until we get everything sorted. great videos in Australia, better than our media, that let us down. 👋😄😈👊👊👊🐁🐀🐷🐈⬛🐈⬛🐈⬛🐶🐶🐶🗳️🗳️💙💙🦋🦋🐈⬛👋
@mgregory2430 - Try LIVING in the US!!!! I'm getting my passport updated in case Trump wins and am trying to figure out a way to immigrate to Canada long-term should he become POTUS again. Of course, I don't think Canada would even want me. However, it's better to live with the US in your basement than to be IN the US under another Trump Administration.
Just got in a stupid argument with a young “bro” type in the comments of another video. So glad I’m not in the dating pool where I have to deal with these types.
Trump...women love me! Creepy. Trump...I will protect you. Gross. Trump ...dont worry ladies you will not have to think for yourself anymore because your men folk will do that for you. Sends shivers down my spine.
"LITTLE LADY, DON'T WORRY YOUR PRETTY HEAD, GRAB THEM BY THE 🐺, FORTUNELY OR UNFORTUNATELY, NOT MY TYPE, C You Next Tuesday." I'm still furious over every single quote of his & what each implies about about his mindset. On top of that, what that implies about the woman' who follow him. Their self esteem, self awareness & connections to other women who votes for him. It's horrifying.
@bookbwitched6823 nobody has called me little lady ever and it's gross and stalker ish
@@bookbwitched6823 I may be a european boii, but I do recognize the mindset very well. The thing that scares me most isn't that some people don't want to think, but why: the authoritarian need to litigate what kinks are "correct" to have. I am dead serious. I have several acquaintances who melt at the thought of a man controlling their bodies and minds. The difference is that they are able to keep consensual intimacy and politics apart.
i’m nancyr and that reminds me of, don’t worry your pretty little head about it from my mothers day
Pro choice or NO CHOICE
Tim A, please avoid using the term “soccer mom” for highly educated women living in the suburbs. That is such a generalization. Many of us have full-time careers that actually tap into our high level of education and skill levels…..but yes, women AND men care about safety and security, whether we have children in school or not.
I've never been a fan of that generalization. I know lots of those moms who have businesses and careers, and I have been married to one for over 39 years. I think he's a little confused about the subject.
Yes! Is there a comparable term for suburban men? Women are constantly being reduced to memes, “soccer moms” “childless cat ladies” & post menopausal. Just call us what we are, college educated, suburban etc
@@katinkagoncalves913 Thank you. For all my career, I have felt like someone (mostly male colleagues) wanted to put me into a box and keep me in a box, despite having more experience, skill, knowledge, credentials and /or education than most. To experience these stereotypes over and over again is so disrespectful to the professional level many women have achieved, even if some step away briefly to care for children. To be reduced to a label like soccer mom is no better than calling someone a childless cat lady. We can and should do better than this when talking to and about your voters.
Having had a number of heart-breaking miscarriages at various stages of pregnancy, I literally would be dead if these anti-woman laws had been in effect. Pregnancy can be a very complicated process. Meddlers need to stay out of it and allow proper medical decisions to be made. There's no magic number of weeks when it would be ok for the government - or anyone - to step in and interfere.
@@RoseWeiss-q1t I agree with you completely, I suffered numerious ectopics (in the 80s when it meant big abdominal surgery!) In trumps America I would be dead too. The need to examine maternal deaths in the first trimester to search for all those ruptured ectopic pregnancies; they are leading cause of death in the first trimester.
i’m nancyr and i’m a 70 year old retired nurse and i’m soo sorry that you went through that. i’m disgusted that my 30 year old daughter has less rights than i did at 16. she doesn’t want kids and that’s her prerogative. when Vance talks about forced pregnancies, it makes me feel sick.
@@michaelmeroyers5487--He's auditioning for the role of Commander out of Handmaid's Tale.
@@siouxrose7766 thanks for your reply i appreciate it. i never read Handmidens tale, bcos im an old women’s libber for years and i’ve been through enough life experiences to not want to read about it. have a great day today and stay cool 🆒😎😈👊👊👊🐷🐁🐀🐈⬛🐈⬛🐈⬛🐶🐶💙💙🗳️🗳️🦋🦋🦋🦋👋
I would have died also. I had 3 due to miscarriages and pregnancy complications.
He sounded exactly like an abusive boyfriend or husband. SUPER creepy triggering language made me absolutely shudder. I know they they told him that he needs to appeal to women, but I'll tell you, that pitch did the exact opposite!
we women have got his number. we know the enemy and it is him, nancyr
@@michaelmeroyers5487 👍Women "know his type" His total lack of self-aeareness is amazing.
Missus again: Unfortunately, abortions of a successful pregnancy and abortive procedures that are used as healthcare to "clean a woman out" after a catastrophic pregnancy loss so she won't die of infection or blood loss or burst Fallopian tubes, are both referred to as "abortion" in these discussions. Sadly no distinction is made between the two different kinds procedures.
Yep, look up what D & C is!
That's true, but either way, these are very personal decisions that affect women's lives in profound ways. They shouldn't be decided by politicians who follow a fringe religious belief, and probably think that babies and blood come out the pee hole. MOST CHRISTIANS DISAGREE WITH THEM. What about their religious freedom?
Because the red states don’t distinguish between the why & when of procedures - probably initially the politicians didn’t want anyone to stop. & think that just maybe this blanket prohibition is ethically wrong and possibly morally wrong as well.
The funny thing is most medical records do differentiate between them. Procedures are documented with an ICD-10 code explaining what the procedure is for. There are a bunch for pregnancy complications that would indicate a non-abortive D&C. There's also one that indicates an elective abortion.
So lawmakers could allow D&C's as long as an appropriate ICD-10 code is attached. But I guess when you don't trust doctors to make good decisions regarding abortions, you don't trust them to code things honestly either.
Abortion doesn`t explain the gender gap at all: Young men also don`t want to be forced to be fathers. It`s way more fundamental than that: There is a lot of men who want womens rights rolled back. They are going after no fault divorce, some even womens vote. They are frustrated that women aren`t forced to serve them any more, that`s what this is about.
100 percent. Abortion is just part of many of many women's rights that they are trying to roll back and to simplify it to just that is pretty insulting. It is no surprise to me that more men are turning to religion to find a patriarchal structure where they are on top just be being a man.
It’s all about control.
@@SaraSmit-e8w Yes, but then WHY? Doesn't the "why" explain why it is both?
If you want a pleasing life-servant to pander to your needs, whims, desires and fantasies, you will need to control that servant. Not just, say, random exercise of power. It's having tame servants. ( And that goes for racism as well. )
@anthill1510 I can't help but agree. Sometimes these pundits & t.v. peop r so focused on one talking point they don't take the time to think it thru. They just reiterate.
It's almost like abortion is irrelevant to men as a voting motivation? They don't care about voting right to ban it but they might not be convinced to vote left to preserve it.
I agree w/ u I think their concentration is on their rights vs the rights of women. & Yeah if anything, I think most young men want the option for their 'girl' to get an abortion if he wanted her to. Unfortunately idt it's enuf to get them to vote left always. Idk how they square that in their heads.
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I don't look for politicians to protect me. Whoever wrote his speech has an odd, antiquated idea of women and what they're want. I want a politician that protects my rights and freedoms and stops corporations from screwing me over financially. I want government to function and do its job. The protection stuff seemed like a creepy dog whistle and his comment about women not being lonely was just... weird. Very very weird.
i’m nancyr and i totally agree with you. we are happy, we’re not lonely and even if we were, we’d rather be alone than with him. he’s such a creep
It was very Stepford.
Really, one woman who's past age and the rest men mostly old. I'm an older woman and want you all to mind your own damn business.
54 white woman with a complicated uterus and a 28 year old daughter and I am sooo with you. Seriously people who are not the specific women and their doctors should mind their own damn business about reproductive health care
@@pammedfordconley you rock sister!
Lol leave it to the Bulwark (I Beg to Differ) to have a panel of mostly men (4/5) speaking on this subject
Yeah, black young women are most effected by the abortion bans. Search for anybody representing one of these traits on the panel.
And OLD people talking about young voters and what issues they vote on without even having soundbites of focus groups or anything like that. . Talking about the manosphere while clearly having never even heard of that word.
And the one woman is pushing the "no restrictions at all" lie.
@@anthill1510 💯 Yes exactly thank you!
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Exactly. I panel of men....makes sense 🙄
Where are more “women” in this discussion? Only the host? Really why?
Not on point for the gender gap divide.
Sad really.
I’m in Canada & we appreciate diversity and a healthy racial mix when it’s a good healthy robust society issue.
Yes. Old white people talking about young voters issues with one old woman on the panel while talking about abortions. It`s a hoot.
But if it was all-female, would you have a problem? Abortion affects both men and women.
Trump, himself, has said that he, himself, Trump, got Roe v Wade overturned. And Sonny Bunch, with all due respect, you are wrong about how "most" women feel about the "abortion issue."
Sonny Bunch sucks and seems to subtly argue FOR Trump in a lot of discussions. I don’t understand him.
The driving force behind abortion restrictions is that a fetus has genetic rights motivated by the religious concept that a fetus is assigned a soul at conception. This is an uncompromising position, which is divorced from the medical needs, biological facts, human rights and the freedom to exercise family planning. Ultimately it is a particular religious interpretation which should be rejected as a violation of the first amendment.
Also 4th Amendment: privacy. Look up Comstock and Griswold decisions.
Yes!
Exactly! Well put.
if kitchen sink means we are circling the drain...
Be sure to pass a safety law so that the opposition is not able to pass legislation overturning the will of voters. The lack of this rule allowed the GOP to over ride election outcomes without consequences.
Just more Trump BS
What woman would want Trump for anything!
All of a sudden, that woman that yells "let women vote" in RDR2 takes a new dimension. I'll compliment her from now. :)
Also, just reflecting on: "women don't have to worry about abortion anymore". what does that mean? "they are going to safe and happy and healthy". is he talking about poultry in a farm?
Well, at least when they look back at this time after 100 years from now, they will at least notice a considerable portion of the people did oppose this and were against it. Coz one of the things that often comes up when talking about Hitler, and Stalin and Mao is how the hell did not the people know? How did they not protest? In this case... they did.
People protested and spoke out in Germany, too. He put accomplices into the courts, changed the laws to allow military in the streets, fostered militia, discredeted newspapers and published his own ones etc. Sounds familiar?
@@anthill1510 yeah mate. it does. its just that people ask: why didn't people rise up against it. as you pointed out they did. and maybe they should now?
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Irrespective of personal views in relation to abortion, Most thinking, educated people believe that Women's bodily autonomy and health are decisions that must sit with Women, their families and their doctors, not ideologues and male politicians.
Missus here: Is Trump going to drug us all regularly that we would feel the way he predicts??!
Judging from the way he talked I think he wants to use hypnosis.
Lobotomies so women "won't have to think"
@@anthill1510 So creepy I want to scream!
To be 'conditioned' into Stepford Wives. ----> Woman who lives a blindly conforming life
The term “Stepford Wife” refers to a woman who lives a blindly conforming life, remaining subservient to her husband and other authority figures while attempting to offend no one. It is generally considered to be derogatory and is taken from a 1972 book, The Stepford Wives, which was later adapted into several feature films1. The term implies a woman who unquestioningly submits to and serves her male partner, and does not seem to have interests, wishes, or pursuits of her own.
@@anthill1510 I don't think Creepy Don knows what hypnosis is lol. And I say this as someone who _does_ do hypnokink and am very much aware and alert of the abuse that unfortunately does happen!
The issue of abortion is an issue of reproductive healthcare and the economy.
Limitations on what we consider abortion access impact pregnant people, menopausal women, children, rape victims, cancer survivors, medical professionals...Medical decisions need to be private and need to be between individuals and their doctors.
Doctors and nurses need to be allowed to follow their "calling."
Economically, the general population can barely afford an emergency car repair. It is a huge imposition to force a need to entertain emergency travel arrangements on families.
Excellent observation on civil/cultural religions. I'm in the traditional liturgical tradition- those people are scaring us! The Germans tried this in the 30s.
Read Tim Alberta’s EXCELLENT books. He answered delicately: Mega/MAGA big box churches (White “Christian” Nationalism) vs standard Lutheran/Episcopalian liturgy w/well-educated, grounded clergy.
Their theory on security moms is sort of weird.
Worries about illegal immigration but not worried about mass shootings…go figure
Back in the day I was a suburban mom (kiddo hated soccer though, so I was spared). I knew there were "illegal immigrants" living in cardboard boxes and thrown-together scrap wood shelters in the canyons near my Upper-Middle-Class San Diego home. Know what I worried about? - how they were keeping safe and dry and warm out there. Someone broke into my car late one night - it was an Upper-Middle-Class San Diego White Kid.
I love the Bulwark, truly one of my favorite media sites, but their background as "center right" Republicans is very telling on the abortion issue. They really should talk with an actual ardent pro-choice woman, like Jessica Valenti.
Alright women of America. It's up to you now.
When Mona read stats on Harris being way ahead, she said “crazy!” Surprised? Don’t understand her appeal?
“the kitchen sink phase of the campaign” 😂 perfect!
I am a suburban mom. I have a Volvo. I have a two car garage and a half an acre. The security I’m concerned about is my child surviving school. Are they going to come home alive? If you want to win over suburban moms, then do some thing about the guns.
Why is your school so dangerous? I would move! Aren't your children valuable to you?
@@Dana-pq7keshootings happen in the suburbs too…
Mona talking about each party vying for the “centrist ground”on abortion after Dobbs?? Democrats aren’t advocating for any extreme positions! That’s a Republican talking point. I’m having trouble listening to her - clicking away…
I'm a man and am voting for the alpha between the two presidential candidates, which is obviously Kamala.
I agree we need some Harris surrogates on these manosphere blogs. Obviously Walz, but also Pete Buttegeig and Gavin Newsom would be great on these shows - and they’d be able to explain why Democrats are not bad, but in fact good for working class men
Most people to not argue abortion should be up to the moment of birth. That should not even be voiced. Only if a life is at stake. If it is between the life of their child or themselves most women would choose life for their child- but those tough personal decisions should be left to the person going through it -not the government and not rich old white men. I don’t know why stats are not used to show the majority of women are responsible to make their own choices. 😠
What if you were already a mother and have to make a choice between yourself and your unborn child? Would you leave her existing child motherless? These are not decisions. We left after the state. These are personal decisions.
@@Jamez-q2eI agree. Bottom line no one can make those tough personal decisions for someone else.
@@EmilyBoltz thanks
Less than 1% of abortions are late term. If you look at the academic literature there are primarily two reasons why they are sought, major fetal abnormalities that couldn't be detected in the first or second trimester and people who for whatever reason weren't able to access an abortion earlier (poverty, stigma, access issues etc). The second issue could be solved by ensuring unstigmatized timely affordable healthcare.
More of the same, men giving their opinion on women, no thank you
Yeah, he is not correct that this is all about abortion. It`s way more fundamental than that: There is a lot of men who want womens rights rolled back. They are going after no fault divorce, some even womens vote. Men are frustrated that women caught up in the work force and aren`t forced to serve them any more. That`s what this is about.
It`s not even just that, an old woman talking about the manosphere ,wich she clearly hadn`t heard about until 5 minutes ago, and doesn`t understand at all makes no sense, either. I would say the problem is more with old, out-of-touch priviledged pundits trying to talk about people that live an average life. They have no idea what that`s like.
Men also act as if pregnancy is only about the gestation period and the delivery of a child. It's not. It's about all the years of raising children. When this guy says that things can change in 4 or 5 years, what good does that do in the meantime for that lifetime commitment that has already occurred?
As a Republican soccer mom I am more concerned about women’s health care for myself and daughter. And you can bet that the men around me better be concerned about it too. I think a lot of men are concerned about unwanted pregnancy because they don’t want to take the responsibility of caring for their offspring. Safety my Fanny. We women can take care of ourselves.
It's this anti-male attitude that is pushing most men to vote for Trump.
Okay, you guys have depressed me enough for a Friday afternoon. It would be great, Mona, if you could at least try to focus more of the hour next week on Kamala Harris and perhaps be positive about her campaign. I was under the impression that the Bulwark was actually supporting her. Also, you can leave Tim off your list, too.
Mona, shame on you for misrepresenting Dems position on abortion.
I would say a couple of things. If you believe him you need help
I was just getting started in my career when Mona Charen published a book : "Sex Matters: How Modern Feminism Lost Touch with Science, Love, and Common Sense." It criticized women in the workplace & unnecessarily dissected everything women did.. I am still waiting for an apology from Charen, who took all the advantages won by feminists and then decided to take ride on the always-popular trend of dumping on women. If Trump is elected, look for Charen to go back to critically pointing out all the ways in which women are not perfect.
Trump sounded like he could've been reading a prepared hypnosis script and/or Jim Jones-like preaching😵😵💫
I thought so, too! SO creepy and weird.
The most depressing episode ever. All doom and gloom. You make Harris road to victory almost seem hopeless. This podcast feels very out of touch compared to the others. It’s also consistently the most negative with barely any diversity. II’ll stick with Tim Miller and Sarah Longwell.
I think this particular panel are secretly biased towards Trump.
Man o sphere? Misogyny sphere.
Abortion as a political issue is about more than just the procedure and the right to it. It is a proxy for whether women should be treated as second class citizens or not.
Why can't you use immigration as an inflation issue? It would be extremely inflationary to deport even a fration of our immigrants!
Absolutely condensing comments by the former WH occupant.
God I love the generalities here ^_^. I live in northern VA. The "suburban moms" here are: Turkish, Korean, Hindi, etc.. I think on my street I have all of maybe 3 Caucasian "suburban moms". And the thing I don't understand about right wing politicians and their fear-mongering over this..I view this as "Cool, I get the learn about many different peoples, exposed to foods I never would have before, unique cultures, etc.". Heck my next door neighbor made the best Baklava...much YUMM.
NOVA might not be indicative of the rest of the country.
@@xunqianbaidu6917more in that direction than not.
And I’ve lived in lots of places
Are you”suburban moms” not a sad old label or trope?
@@xunqianbaidu6917 Yeah...that is definitely true. We'll it is just that when the term is used it is always used to refer to white middle class housewives. I feel that that definition is fading. Which is a good thing
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OMG - can this conversation get any more "WHITE"?
"We range from Center Left to Center Right," so basically we don't range:))))
Yeah. Useless.
I am still wondering who is supposed to be the center left voice.
@@anthill1510THIS. I identify as center left and I don’t see my views here anywhere
You guys just both sides something. You are not serious people.
Sonny on abortion - "One side says there should be none, the other says it should be up to the moment of birth." 🤔
Please cite your sources (besides Trump/Vance) for the side calling for abortion up to the moment of birth! Parroting the propaganda of the right as fact has no place in reasonable discussion or journalism.
i’m nancyr and no one can have an abortion when you’re too far along and the baby is viable) able to live on its own. i’m a nurse and the cut off date is 4-5 months at the latest
Yup. "up to birth" is crap talk. This episode is my least favorite of the Bulwark 😡😡😡. One woman, and a very conservative one 😡😡.
And no one of color either? Geez Louise…
This is a miss.
Mona usually disguises it but on abortion and Gaza, she is the bigot from Bulwark
When I see Mona I always see this one scene from Titanic flash before my eyes. The one where Rose sits in the upper class dining room and looks around at all these women in their oppulent dresses and hats, making polite conversation and Rose is thinking about that this is how her whole life is going to be and her gaze stops at the table next to her where a mother is correcting her daughter to sit perfectly upright.
That mother is Mona, that`s the scene I see every time she comes on screen and talks.
As @abv250 said, this entire conversation about termination is astonishingly clueless.
You are talking about “how much restriction” - it entirely misses the point.
The ISSUE is about the locus of control and who makes the decision.
I am Catholic.
I am also a pediatrician who has dealt with fetuses with anencephaly and many other horrible birth defects.
The decision does NOT belong with ignorant, ideological judges, lawyers, and legislators who have zero understanding of on-the-ground medical decision making.
It belongs with the family and caregivers. Full stop.
Don’t frame it like the media.
Don’t frame it at all.
Accept the reality that families should make decisions about their medical care. Leave them alone. They are grieving as they choose, regardless of how they choose.
GEEZ US ... this is so 1950s .... What is wrong with you people????
Governor Tim Walz is a solid choice by Kamala. With his 3 Congress Skeet Shoot trophies he put a stitch in the lips of them gun-jobs. Once upon a time, scrounging a pick-a-part to keep my work truck on the road (and by extension me working) I happened across one of them vacuum bladders around a water pump fan shroud and had no idea what I was looking at. Now I do. Too many greasy episodes, engine rebuilds and clutch pack refresh included, managed to subsist by junior college learning and years of solving my own vehicle issues. Walz strikes a chord that needed striking IMO. Trumpers can delude themselves with ideas of JD or Don Jr beneath the hood with them, up to their elbows in it.
Protector, predator, same difference, right?
Women are creeped out by Trump’s “protector” speech.
Yay Mona re immigration!
My dad came to America as a 10 year old German kid in 1931.
We are ALL of immigrant ancestors
@@patriciarmuller6283 Yes, we are. Thank you for saying that.
I'm all for religion but definitely against false messaging cults!
READ Tim Alberta; he says the same thing & really knows history of the White Evangelical Nationalist movement.
Donnie has unzipped his fly and ran off most women.
I am a Dem and we just want Roe back.
Hey Bulwark, I really hope someone reads these messages. As an avid watcher and as a woman - a white one no less - this panel is incredibly tone deaf. Having 4 white men and 1 white woman - one who has great, thoughtful commentary but frankly, isn't from the same generation as many of your listeners - discuss the gender gap is insulting. Even more so with the video thumbnail - 'Trump is Absolutely Toxic to Women". Do you really not see how problematic that is? By all means, Tim Alberta should be there for his reporting, but God forbid you have 2 women - or a single POC - on for a discussion about WOMEN. This is the first time I've been really disappointed in the Bulwark. I'm not going anywhere for my fave creators, but truthfully, I doubt I'll ever watch Beg to Differ again. It's never fully hit with me, but this one really solidified that it's not for me.
This show is always the hardest to listen too for me, a democrat who actually thinks the govt should help people/ not make fun of populism and only use it to get votes in a phony way.
The Harris campaign needs to
Do interviews on alternative media outlets
Go to where the younger males are
Hold rallies in rural heartland America , Austin TX and Miami FL
Yes, please somebody send Tim Walz there!
The problem with restrictions on abortion is that you have to justify forcing a woman to remain pregnant against her will. I just can't make that case. This means the woman has to make the final decision, as she does with her other health issues, even if my decision might be very different. We are not forcing abortion on anybody. We just want women to be able to follow their own religious and ethical beliefs in such matters. Instead, legislators are forcing birth and forcing delays in real medical situations that can kill or damage the mother, which of course will also kill the zygote or embryo or fetus anyway if it is still alive.
You still have to find a doctor willing to do any procedure, so conscientious objection to abortion by medical professionals can still be protected by law. Doctors can still refuse to do a particular procedure because it violates their own ethics. In the third trimester especially, something has already gone terribly wrong and there will be options acceptable to both the doctor and the woman. If the fetus is alive and viable at that point, generally induced labor or surgical removal of the fetus would be done and the newborn would be provided with whatever care is needed to help them survive. If nothing can be done to save the newborn, palliative care will be provided. The woman has the final say, but still has to find medical personnel to implement her decision and so these decisions will necessarily be made together with a doctor. (We are ignoring the other elephant on the room, namely who is going to pay for all this, but that's a problem for everybody in the US whenever they come in contact with the health care system.)
But we see the real consequences of legislated restrictions has been that women are not medically treated in a timely manner and this can and does kill them. Medical people are afraid of losing their licenses and being imprisoned if they treat the medical issues. Women are increasingly expected to prove that a miscarriage was not a deliberate abortion. They have to come close to death (and they do sometimes die or are terribly injured in the process) before simple procedures are performed when things have gone very wrong during a pregnancy.
The state and in particular legislators simply lack the knowledge and wisdom and moral standing to force their decisions on anyone else for matters involving a woman's body. Medical decisions often have to be made quickly and can't wait for the lawyers to decide the legal risks. If they don't like the fact that the zygote and embryo and fetus are part of the woman's body until it leaves the womb, they need to complain to the God that designed us that way. While they are complaining they might consider that very likely most conceptions never result in a live birth. It is a very rocky road from conception to birth, with no human intervention at all.
I’d like a moratorium on a panel of men explaining how women feel about abortion
It's pretty strange that there is only one woman represented here in this conversation. Why?!?
I'm in favor of no restrictions on abortion, and here's why. The question isn't which abortions are unethical, it's when do the restrictions do more good than harm, and I think the answer is never. Say you set the restrictions at no third trimester abortions except in cases of fetal abnormality. You're still going to hurt more women having to abort wanted pregnancies for reasons outside their control than you are going to stop women who decided to get an abortion at nine months because they changed their mind. I think that the woman and her doctor are the best judges of the situation, and getting the government involved just causes problems.
i’m nancyr when i was 20 there was this girl in the other side of the dental office. she stayed pregnant bcos she wanted this guy to marry her. she must’ve been 8 months pregnant. i thought that was disgusting at the time and still do. but i’m 70 and that was 50 years ago 😊
Was the gender gap on this panel meant to be an ironic nod to the topic? :-(
Whose having or performing abortion up to birth!?
Yeah, I don't understand why they are spreading misinformation. It's getting more difficult to tell the difference between the Bulwark and Infowars.
Nobody. It`S only done when the life of the mother is at risk.
@@anthill1510 but these gaslighting ghouls are not making that distinction. They aren't much better than Trumpers.
Nobody is doing that blithely. These are women who wanted that baby but something went terribly wrong with the baby or the mother. It's so insane for them to cater to this b.s. fantasy that forced birthers have tried to spread that women would carry a baby for 9 months then decide "Nah". It's idiotic.
Nobody
I want you folks to take a close look at Florida and Texas.
This segment is usually bad, but this takes it to another level. It seems like NONE of you understands what "no restrictions" means, and since you're pretty smart people in general, I'll have to take it that you do it on purpose. There are no restrictions POLITICALLY. ...you think doctors just preform abortions on a whim? You think they don't have any ethics to follow? You think no restrictions means you can just change your mind in week 38? Even when you don't have any set time limit, vertically ALL elected abortions happen before 12 weeks. The tiny fraction that happens after that is usually complicated reasons, and they happen mostly up until week 20. After that, it's mostly horribly sad reasons and there's no winners. No doctors would preform an abortion on a viable fetus, are you all bad actors, conservatives?
Take away my options regarding my own reproductive system. And what's next?? What's the goal??? Gilead.
Remember in November: Most MAGA men want to own women as virtual property like in theocracies. Don't be a Serena Joy Waterford and find out the consequences too late.
If you think this impossible, tell us why it can happen all over the world, but can't happen here. (Cue final Jeopardy theme)
Where are the women in this panel? Awkward viewing especially seeing the men stumble though the abortion issue.
This panel of men really don't get it. Really a poor choice in a discussion about women's rights to make their decisions with their doctors about their bodies. Maybe the men in this panel would have more concern about the Republican's passing laws regarding women's reproductive decisions if they had some skin in the game. The casual discussion about who is in favor and probably in 5 years