@@youraveragemorononyoutube4435 Could you really blame me? I got tired of having a beast mode because it impaired me. That and I felt like I wasn't powerful enough in my TM2 body after I got back to Cybertron.
The old Transmetals weren't more powerful though, Techno-organic Optimus Primal was able to fight evenly with Transmetal 2 Megatron in Beast Machines, whereas Optimal Optimus was easily defeated by Transmetal 2 Megatron in Beast Wars. Megatron made a new body using the Optimal Optimus design, but it wasn't actually the same body. Optimal Megatron is clearly much larger and more powerful than Optimal Optimus was, which you can clearly see if you compare how big Optimus Primal looks next to both Transmetal 2 Megatron and Optimal Megatron.
@@BingBong67489 I disagree with your analysis of Optimal Optimus' body being weaker than Dragon Megatron's. Here's why @5:09: ua-cam.com/video/wnK0x2r_ZMw/v-deo.html Predacon Megatron: "Did you think you could stand against the fury of _BOTH_ Megatrons?" This quote provides a hint as to why Dragon Megatron was able overpower Optimal Optimus, even though the two should theoretically be the same power-wise since their bodies were upgraded via the same process. Predacon Megatron was carrying the Spark of G1 Megatron inside his body in addition to his own, while Primal just had his own spark. This would be the equivalent of two cars with nearly the exact same build, but one of these cars has an additional engine installed. The one that has the extra engine installed has more horse power to exert than the other, so it would be more powerful than the one that only has one engine installed even though they have nearly identical builds. Another example would be in computer terms. Let's say you custom build two gaming computers, but one has extra RAM installed than the other. That computer with extra RAM would be more powerful even though the two computers have 99% the same build. When applying this logic to Dragon Megatron vs. Optimal Optimus, the extra spark in Dragon Megatron's body gives him an edge over Optimal Optimus.
@@darkglass3011 True, TM2 Megatron was probably enhanced by having the second spark. But even if we assume he was equal to Optimal Optimus without the second spark, and if we assume that TM2 Megatron lacked the second spark when he fought Techno-organic Optimus in Beast Machines, that would still make Optimal Megatron more powerful than Optimal Optimus. Optimal Optimus, TM2 Megatron, and Techno-organic Optimus are all in the same general tier, and Optimal Megatron is considerably above that.
@@BingBong67489 I think Beast Machines TM2 Megatron is weaker than TM2 Beast Wars Megatron even without a second spark. The reason why I think this is because Beast Machines Megatron was significantly deformed from his attempts to purge himself of his Beast Mode without transferring his Spark to another body. So Beast Machines Optimus is combating against a weakened Megatron even without a second Spark. Another thing about Optimal Megatron is that he wasn't fighting Optimus seriously. He knew that he had won (minus divine intervention), so he decided to have a little fun and torment Optimus by smacking him around in a duplicate of his old body. I will throw you a bone here and say that Beast Machines Optimus' energy blasts are powerful enough to blow off a finger of the Optimal body, but from the looks of things, Optimal Megatron looks to be as powerful as Optimal Optimus. It's still an incredible feat to blow off a finger because he managed to do so after Optimal Megatron became bigger and more powerful AFTER absorbing all those sparks near the end of the fight.
It maybe dated but not many cgi series are as good. Never liked Energon cgi and tf Cybertron was ok but lacked some details like shadow, shade and reflective metal, which beast wars had a lot of. If they were to update the cgi, TF Prime would be the best animation. The background arts pretty amazing too.
RebelBeamMaster X84 I feel they could update Season 3 of Beast Wars there was a lot of stuff the writers wanted to (like the episode Dark Glass and more screen time for tigerhawk) do but couldn’t because Hasrbo informed them late they wouldn’t get a 4th season
Honestly, I’ve got mixed feelings about Beast Machines, but I do think that Megatron was really in top form throughout the whole show. He was absolutely awesome, and frightening too. A lot of returning Beast Wars characters in the show were out of character, but I can honestly sort of see how Megatron developed from how he was at the end of BW to how he was by the start of BM, even if that development probably wasn’t thought of by the writers.
Honestly I liked a lot how BM ended it wasnt a battle for good or evil like before with the OG megatron and optimus instead neither primal or megatron are bad guys just two extremes of opposite ideologies that they tried to enforce upon everyone and it ended when primal understood that both extremes werent good but that there must be balance between the too since one cant exist without the other.
To this day, I have no idea how the Megatron in Beast Wars made the jump to the organics hating bore in BM. The show didn't even *attempt* to explain it.
Yes they took it from a faction wars based on balance of powers and strategy to a literal good vs evil with Optimus guided by God/angels and that left Megatron needing to be the devil with no limit to his evil. I agree that this simply made megatron a more developed and compelling characters while limiting the others to play "servant" roles as they had no chance against the evil on their own.
I always had a feeling that Megatron was jealous of Optimus's new body during the end of the Beast Wars. Even with his Dragon form, Optimal Optimus was likely the most powerful Transformer next to Tigerhawk -- who didn't really count thanks to the ridiculous advantage of his alien powers
@@HerohammerStudios I seriously doubt Optimus was holding back on Dragon Megatron either time they fought. Shifting to gorilla and/or tank mode would've been virtually pointless, since Megatron would likely stay in the air anyway. It's probably more that Optimal Optimus and Dragon Megatron could've _both_ individually wrecked house on Cybertron (and in Megatron's case, did). Remember that Cybertron's forces could barely contain a pre-Transmetal Rampage to get him shipped off-world. Dragon Megatron likely had a pretty easy time taking over.
@@Deined Dragon Megatron was more powerful because he had the combined sparks of BW Megs and G1 Megs. Without the extra spark energy, he was weaker than Optimus
@@ShadowSonic2 Yeah, Dragon Megs was likely a little weaker without G1 Megs's spark, but I seriously doubt losing that spark made him weaker than Optimal Optimus. The combined might of Cybertron's forces surely gave him a bigger fight than technorganic Optimus did, and he managed to take over.
This final battle was brilliant. it was intense, nostalgic, "deliciously ironic" as Megatron puts it, and best of all, IT LASTS OVER AN ENTIRE EPISODE!!!😁😁😁
Him coming back as a Beast Wars iteration of Optimus was a touching and surprising way to reference the original series and bring them all together to a satisfying conclusion. There was such a stark difference in tone and characters between Wars and Machines that it was reaffirming to see the an iteration of the characters from Wars. (Primal Megatron and Dragon Megatron)
One of the best final battles in Transformers history. For as many faults that this show has, this episode-long fight between Optimus and Megatron in the former's Optimal form made it so worth it!
Say what you will about the show itself but this is easily the most dangerous incarnation of Megatron ever. You know why? He actually won! He is the only incarnation that had successfully taken over Cybertron a feat that none of the others achieved. Had the Maximals not had help from the Oracle and other divine interventions, Megatron would easily have crushed them.
Jericho Strayker Megatron would've won if it wasn't for the power of commercial editing. He literally had guns pointed at Primal's spark, and then when the scene comes back, those cannons are withdrawn and he punches Primal through a wall. Megatron was cheated of victory via edit.
In G1, the Decepticons always had Cybertron. The Autobots just had rebel bases. It wasnt until after the movie and season 3 that the Autobots took it over
The Decepticons always had Cybertron in the G1 show, they only expelled all the Autobots in the 1986 movie. In the G1 comics, the Decepticons held Cybertron for majority of the run and Megatron regularly decimated the Autobot caste (even when he was overthrown by Shockwave). He even made multiple alliances with Galvatron and nearly tore space and time during the Time Wars. This Megatron didn’t really do much more than any others, conquering Cybertron is hardly an achievement (Rodimus and Shockwave both did it off camera somehow).
Megatron created a replica of Optimus Primal's Optimal form minus a Beast Mode for himself as new (and also his last) body. A Beast Mode probably would makes the Optimal replica body makes more techo-organic and Megatron wants to be 100% mechanical and 0% organic. The Optimal Optimus form in Season 3 of Beast Wars pretty much was part organic because of the Beast Mode of a gorilla.
@@austinmorrison6953 Because of a virus, which it does more than de-Transmetalized the Transmetal Maximals and also prevent them from shifting into a robot mode. Rhinox and Silverbolt weren't Transmetal, the virus pretty much was a lot more affected on them likes the virus probably destroys their bodies, which it's easier for Megatron and his Vehicon goons to steal their sparks. I hate when the Transmetal Maximals got de-Transmetalized, especially their Transmetal forms are way cooler than their crappy reformatted forms on Beast Machines, one of the reasons why Beast Wars is better than Beast Machines.
@@DaScorpionSting what you talking about? Megaton was able to use the optimal form underwater at 4:00 he even was able to use its flight mode as a makeshift submarine
Bw/bm megatron's biggest problem was his obsession with using irony to beat the maximals and it always backfires! He started with reformatting rhinox into a predacon in beast wars, then cloning dinobot twice, then turning rhinox and silverbolt into vehicons, and finally using primal's old body.
For me BW and BM were the best series. The concept was original and mature. A new Prime and a new Megatron all different from their ancestors with their own personalities. I love this "obsession" both had with the organic and the technological. None of them was perfect and that is some character development. Truly i love the darkness of this show.
I remember first seeing this fight when I was between 9 or 10. I just so happened to own the Optimal Optimus toy and when Megatron showed up looking like that I was in total shock. Such great writing.
That body is alot more usefull and powerfull when used by Megatron. In BW, Optimal Optimus only looks powerfull for 1-2 episodes and then he's easily beaten afterward. Also, he almost never use his beast and truck mode in BW.
What's really sad is that the Oracle meant for the technoraganics to be the next step and along comes Optimal Optimus to smash. No wonder they nefted him.
@@shadowednight1600 To be fair, the body of Optimal Optimus was created when Primal fused his own spark with the spark of Optimus Prime, a Prime who carries with himself both the Matrix of leadership and the essence of Primus the God of creation, No even the oracle can macth that kind of cosmic power, specially a power that was born from the spark of a Prime and the Matrix itself, is like compring a Magnun with a Tank
There's something surprisingly terrifying about Megatron in this state. I don't know if it's the face or the fact that its a form we've seen previously that's a combination of Primal and Prime. It's like it's Primal literally getting a taste of his own medicine and trying to work out how to take it down (Which he ends up doing)
Beast Machines Megatron was the single most disproportionately strong villain that any version of Optimus had to face short of taking on Unicron all alone. I think we can safely say anyone would be a wee bit scared of his capabilities and sheer determination to get what he wanted.
@@darkazon5343 Yeah, Megatron even said something to that effect just as this fight started, IIRC. That portion of dialogue, as well as quite a few other parts, were cut to make this video.
Indeed, simply winning wasn't enough for Megatron, he wanted to crush Primal completely by making him watch the last organic parts of Cybertron wiped away, so he was essentially his own undoing.
@@acemarvel1564 it's not self repair, megs spark were soo mutated it can basically attach any random limbs he can use as weapons and even used a dead transformer body and turned it into a zombie. In the case megs mutated sparks can repair the damage at alarming rate and fast too.
I just finished the series in full despite my reservations. I actually ended up enjoying Beast Machines more than I remember. I'm still upset with the tone that they took and not making the characters behave the same as beast wars, minus their voices . This fight though - was probably more epic than any fight in beast wars to be honest. Never seen optimus do any backflips, but he had such style when having this epic battle with Megatron. Megatron is super scary in the optimal optimus body.
Something else to add here: considering how much Megatron wrecks shop in Primal's old Transmetal 2 Optimal body here, why are some people still wondering how he was able to take over Cybertron with an even stronger body in his Transmetal 2 Dragon form???
Admittedly, I might be overthinking or incorrect, but a couple of questions/arguments I've seen are: 1. How the hell did Megatron beat the Maximals back to Cybertron when he fell in the opposite direction of the Transwarp portal? 2. What virus did he even use on Cybertron's population, and how did he get it or make it?
I was so pissed when everyone lost their transformations, but when Megatron took Optimus last body (Optimal Optimus) I almost stopped watching the show I was so angry. I was mad at Optimus for losing his body at the beginning of this series and Megatron for taking it. Optimus and what was left of his group had shitty bodies compared to Beast Wars. It didn't help that Rhinox was evil too.
plus you cant blame primal losing his body he was litter was out number out gun and they had means to take him down because you know megatron would make sure he can stop there biggest power house. also the body megatron use was a replical so you tech take primal body it just he copyed it because it was one of the strongest during the beast wars
Yeah. Their fight starts at the megatron's base the grand mal continued on the streets of cybertropolis and even underwater and ends in the oracle's chamber: the maximal base.
I mean, this is a damn good fight--easily one of the best these two ever had, and that's saying something. ...But the fact that Primal is constantly outmatched by his previous body just kind of highlights how much worse these fancy new Technorganic bodies were than the Beast Wars models, which I can't help but feel is a great metaphor for sizing the two shows up overall.
not really optimal optimus was always a supream power house even by beast war standards the only one i can think that was better was the tigertron and airasor hybrid
What beast machines lacked is as follows: 1) the proper back story with the transformation virus 2) the reason why the oracle preferred the organic bodies for the maximals instead of their beast wars versions 3) lack of New characters...which is both good and bad However, being darker than Beast Wars was better cause it showed the seriousness of the battle despite Megatron having the #s advantage for the entire series. The maximals were forced to use tactics that they normally wouldn't use just to survive, which was uncommon for the Autobots in the 1980s g1 series (even though the comics stated otherwise)
The transformation virus has enough backstory to work out what happened though they could’ve been more overt at times and some extra details would’ve been nice. The Oracle converting their bodies was to make them techno organic down to a cellular level in a way while before it was more like their skin where beneath they’re still mechanical circuitry, helps that the form grants immunity to the virus
@@jsweatt354 Maybe the human race already went extinct in beastwars time. Transformers can theoretically live forever if they have an energy source. Humans need too much.
@@Kira22558 More like the humans would be in serious danger of being squished or vaporized in the crossfire of a potential scuffle or by a rogue Decepticon, something no Autobot would willingly risk. That and, correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Cybertron have a toxic atmosphere?
This was a great fight, but for one small issue. Megatron, who can fly in robot mode, "fell" to he death. The fight makes for an interesting point of reference in terms of power. Optimus' technorganic body, in addition to being uglier (in robot mode anyway), is far weaker than his old Optimal body, which in turn was outclassed by Megatron's old Transmetal 2 dragon body. For a guy obsessed with power, it's ironic he'd give up that power. Then again, the show never did explain what made him decide he hated his beast mode in the first place. This is the guy who can be seen petting his beast mode's head several time during Beast Wars as well as bushing it's teeth.
Probably because, by the events of Beast Machine, he was all about absolute technology. The beast aspect of his previous incarnation is seen as inferior to his vision. Plus his eternal nemesis, Primal, is still an organic by now. So it's a reminder of his old for. He even dumped the beast mode.
megatron transmetal 2 was not more powerful than optima optimus optimus was still much more powerful but megatron only really beat was when he got the form at the first place he was beatin after wards
I think someone mentioned that megatron sparks were badly damaged during his fell through transwarp, and his sanity chip were also damages during process, causing his sudden alter personality to hated his beast mode during the show
@@brandonvortex995 Some have said that BW Megatron having G1 Megatron’s spark also took part in leading to his insanity and his hatred for organics and techno-organics.
Mainframe animation choices were weird. Beast Wars cartoons usually lacked shadows, but beautiful metallic rendering. Beast machines were full of shadows, but lacked metallic rendering. I wonder why.
That's the era of the 90's. They had to sacrifice a lot of rendering things, but BM models have a loooot of detail. And I rather prefer shadows instead of Metallic reflection. Encore Air Attack Primal is a proof.
I love this series and Beast Wars, but it sucks without subtitles because half the time I never know what they’re saying. I never knew Megatron was saying, “Minus the impediment of a beast mode, of course.” For a long time, I thought it was, “Mine is the impediment of a beast mode, of course.” Is there a way to get the series to include subtitles in the future?
I didn't have to much of a problem with the Beast Machines cartoon. But it was the toys I hated. They never scaled correctly Cheetor, Rattrap, and Night Scream we're to big. Optimus Primal, Silverbolt, and Botanica we're to small the only ones who had proper size scale was Black Archnia and the Vihicons
I think that's what the next series after this would've been like. Optimus and megatron get revived and megatron inherits his dragon form again while Optimus inherits the optimal body megatron created. Too bad they scrapped the series.
Megatron: is a personification of the writers who evidently hate everything about the Maximals and Beast Wars in general Also Megatron: Optimus cosplayer
I would have liked that optimus had recovered his old optimal body and megatron his dragon version but that he could transform into robot mode without problems, although that would be too much fan service, although the final battle was good admit it many would have liked to see that optimus get your old body back
I'm confused? Did he just rip Optimus primal Spark out of his old body kept it put away somewhere or did he have like blueprints to make a copy of the same body
Optimus primal body was turned back into his season one beast wars form Megatron happen to have his copy of optimus primal optimal body blueprints so he make one for himself minus the beast mode of course
@@VVV953 yeah unfortunately this were directed by a guy whom according to people ruined the DC comics, the director told two writer not to watch beast wars which prevented them to study or understanding the story of beast wars
For me personally I think beast machines would have been better if they're new robot forms could have come in the form of shapeshifters AKA they could change back into their old Transformer bodies from Beast Wars but hey a guy can dream right
@@brandonvortex995 I mean, it has an interesting concept, finally Megatron takes over Cybertron as the mastermind of all the planet while the Maximal are the last hope. I think is has to do with bad execution and some, plus Hasbro was somewhat confused with the concept art for the new toys
In beast machines Megatron's spark can pull a Starscream and move from body to body. When Ratrap figured that out he tricked Megatron into smaller body after polarizing his spark so he couldn't transfer it the comfortable way. So Megatron in the small helper bot body escaped to what was most likely a vehicon factory and had made a replica of Optimus's old body and with the help of Thrust, Obsidian, and Strika he was able to basically do a heart transplant into the new shell body.
Almost a replica. Obviously the face moreso resembles Megatron's old bodies, and as he says, it lacks a beast mode (not like Optimus used it very often anyway)
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The way Megatron just walks from the wreckage at 2:41 with the glowing red eyes is just so badass
It was that moment when Optimus realized that true evil couldn’t be stopped, only delayed
this gave me some terminator vibes
It felt like a post credit scene where the bad guy had actually survived and is ploting his revenge
@@virtualpellot933 Ha! Do you realize who I am? Terminator would be but a pawn beneath my feet.
@@virtualpellot933 Yeah, what Megs said ⬆️
Optimus: My old body
Megatron: Your old good design.
Not really optimal optimus wasn't really the best design
In my opinion I think optimal Optimus looked better. He looked cool in season 1 I didn’t like the season 2 look though
@@juliansummers5983 Not the best, but way better then his Beast Machines design.
Dragon megatron looks badass too bad he appeared for 2 episodes and ruined it
@@youraveragemorononyoutube4435 Could you really blame me? I got tired of having a beast mode because it impaired me. That and I felt like I wasn't powerful enough in my TM2 body after I got back to Cybertron.
"So how should we design the final Megatron?"
"Well we don't have a toy so just slap his head on the old Optimus primal model"
*Optimal Optimus model
To be fair... Optimal Optimus was pretty overpowered in _Beast Wars._ There’s clear logic behind that decision.
@@kylestubbs8867 he would legit trip on a twig and be rendered useless for a few episodes
@@Alison-bn8vi I mean, they made Optimal Optimus so weak in the first place because he was too op
@@markandrew287 what's the point of an op character if he don't get to be op
"Victory is most delicious when seized with irony."
That's it, this Megatron is superior. David Kaye, you are a treasure! O7
I thought he said “seasoned with irony.” Either way is still 🔥!
Megatron honestly proved that Transmetal and as a result Transmetal 2 is vastly more powerful than whatever nonsense the Oracle tried shoving on them.
not really optimal was a exception to the power of transmetal
The old Transmetals weren't more powerful though, Techno-organic Optimus Primal was able to fight evenly with Transmetal 2 Megatron in Beast Machines, whereas Optimal Optimus was easily defeated by Transmetal 2 Megatron in Beast Wars. Megatron made a new body using the Optimal Optimus design, but it wasn't actually the same body. Optimal Megatron is clearly much larger and more powerful than Optimal Optimus was, which you can clearly see if you compare how big Optimus Primal looks next to both Transmetal 2 Megatron and Optimal Megatron.
@@BingBong67489
I disagree with your analysis of Optimal Optimus' body being weaker than Dragon Megatron's. Here's why @5:09: ua-cam.com/video/wnK0x2r_ZMw/v-deo.html
Predacon Megatron: "Did you think you could stand against the fury of _BOTH_ Megatrons?"
This quote provides a hint as to why Dragon Megatron was able overpower Optimal Optimus, even though the two should theoretically be the same power-wise since their bodies were upgraded via the same process. Predacon Megatron was carrying the Spark of G1 Megatron inside his body in addition to his own, while Primal just had his own spark.
This would be the equivalent of two cars with nearly the exact same build, but one of these cars has an additional engine installed. The one that has the extra engine installed has more horse power to exert than the other, so it would be more powerful than the one that only has one engine installed even though they have nearly identical builds.
Another example would be in computer terms. Let's say you custom build two gaming computers, but one has extra RAM installed than the other. That computer with extra RAM would be more powerful even though the two computers have 99% the same build.
When applying this logic to Dragon Megatron vs. Optimal Optimus, the extra spark in Dragon Megatron's body gives him an edge over Optimal Optimus.
@@darkglass3011 True, TM2 Megatron was probably enhanced by having the second spark. But even if we assume he was equal to Optimal Optimus without the second spark, and if we assume that TM2 Megatron lacked the second spark when he fought Techno-organic Optimus in Beast Machines, that would still make Optimal Megatron more powerful than Optimal Optimus. Optimal Optimus, TM2 Megatron, and Techno-organic Optimus are all in the same general tier, and Optimal Megatron is considerably above that.
@@BingBong67489
I think Beast Machines TM2 Megatron is weaker than TM2 Beast Wars Megatron even without a second spark. The reason why I think this is because Beast Machines Megatron was significantly deformed from his attempts to purge himself of his Beast Mode without transferring his Spark to another body.
So Beast Machines Optimus is combating against a weakened Megatron even without a second Spark. Another thing about Optimal Megatron is that he wasn't fighting Optimus seriously. He knew that he had won (minus divine intervention), so he decided to have a little fun and torment Optimus by smacking him around in a duplicate of his old body.
I will throw you a bone here and say that Beast Machines Optimus' energy blasts are powerful enough to blow off a finger of the Optimal body, but from the looks of things, Optimal Megatron looks to be as powerful as Optimal Optimus.
It's still an incredible feat to blow off a finger because he managed to do so after Optimal Megatron became bigger and more powerful AFTER absorbing all those sparks near the end of the fight.
Megatron used this body to his advantage more than optimus ever did
How so?
Megatron created a replica of Optimus Primal's Optimal form for himself minus a Beast Mode as his new (and also his last) body.
@@billmcdonnell79 That's Irony at it's finest.
Primal never utilized that body to fullest
@@FeatherWings78 Looking likes his eternal archnemesis or an incarnation of him.
The cinematography in these scenes are fantastic, for a "kids show " it's so professionaly done
Mainframe had a lot of people who would do some crazy things in the CGI field, if I recall some went on to work on lord of the rings
if there was ever a series that would benefit from modern technology it would be the Beast Wars/Machines series
Keep all the voices and story the same, but update the animation. In my opinion that is how they should tackle it if they decide to update the series.
Fan remake anyone?
It maybe dated but not many cgi series are as good. Never liked Energon cgi and tf Cybertron was ok but lacked some details like shadow, shade and reflective metal, which beast wars had a lot of. If they were to update the cgi, TF Prime would be the best animation. The background arts pretty amazing too.
EXACTLY!
RebelBeamMaster X84 I feel they could update Season 3 of Beast Wars there was a lot of stuff the writers wanted to (like the episode Dark Glass and more screen time for tigerhawk) do but couldn’t because Hasrbo informed them late they wouldn’t get a 4th season
Megatron: *Look, look at me optimus, now i am prime..*
Optimus: *Fine, have it your own way then.. I will be megatron then..*
Honestly, I’ve got mixed feelings about Beast Machines, but I do think that Megatron was really in top form throughout the whole show. He was absolutely awesome, and frightening too. A lot of returning Beast Wars characters in the show were out of character, but I can honestly sort of see how Megatron developed from how he was at the end of BW to how he was by the start of BM, even if that development probably wasn’t thought of by the writers.
Honestly I liked a lot how BM ended it wasnt a battle for good or evil like before with the OG megatron and optimus instead neither primal or megatron are bad guys just two extremes of opposite ideologies that they tried to enforce upon everyone and it ended when primal understood that both extremes werent good but that there must be balance between the too since one cant exist without the other.
@@randomhaloplayer918 uh stripping sentiant life forms of freewill to enslave them is pretty damn evil
To this day, I have no idea how the Megatron in Beast Wars made the jump to the organics hating bore in BM. The show didn't even *attempt* to explain it.
Yes they took it from a faction wars based on balance of powers and strategy to a literal good vs evil with Optimus guided by God/angels and that left Megatron needing to be the devil with no limit to his evil. I agree that this simply made megatron a more developed and compelling characters while limiting the others to play "servant" roles as they had no chance against the evil on their own.
@@PhelesDragonPTSD from lose in Beast Wars
I always had a feeling that Megatron was jealous of Optimus's new body during the end of the Beast Wars. Even with his Dragon form, Optimal Optimus was likely the most powerful Transformer next to Tigerhawk -- who didn't really count thanks to the ridiculous advantage of his alien powers
No, Dragon Megatron was _clearly_ more powerful than Optimal Optimus, and both of their fights in Beast Wars prove it.
@@Deined think it's moreso that Optimus never used it to its full advantage
@@HerohammerStudios I seriously doubt Optimus was holding back on Dragon Megatron either time they fought. Shifting to gorilla and/or tank mode would've been virtually pointless, since Megatron would likely stay in the air anyway.
It's probably more that Optimal Optimus and Dragon Megatron could've _both_ individually wrecked house on Cybertron (and in Megatron's case, did). Remember that Cybertron's forces could barely contain a pre-Transmetal Rampage to get him shipped off-world. Dragon Megatron likely had a pretty easy time taking over.
@@Deined Dragon Megatron was more powerful because he had the combined sparks of BW Megs and G1 Megs. Without the extra spark energy, he was weaker than Optimus
@@ShadowSonic2 Yeah, Dragon Megs was likely a little weaker without G1 Megs's spark, but I seriously doubt losing that spark made him weaker than Optimal Optimus. The combined might of Cybertron's forces surely gave him a bigger fight than technorganic Optimus did, and he managed to take over.
This final battle was brilliant. it was intense, nostalgic, "deliciously ironic" as Megatron puts it, and best of all, IT LASTS OVER AN ENTIRE EPISODE!!!😁😁😁
Indeed. His catchphrase is repeatedly saying the word "Yes", yet the very last word from him is "No".
@@kristofgriffin384 that's ironic, don't you think?
Favorite word: Yes
Last words: NO
Him coming back as a Beast Wars iteration of Optimus was a touching and surprising way to reference the original series and bring them all together to a satisfying conclusion. There was such a stark difference in tone and characters between Wars and Machines that it was reaffirming to see the an iteration of the characters from Wars. (Primal Megatron and Dragon Megatron)
One of the best final battles in Transformers history. For as many faults that this show has, this episode-long fight between Optimus and Megatron in the former's Optimal form made it so worth it!
"Victory is most delicious when seized with irony, is it not?"
One of most roasting quote
Say what you will about the show itself but this is easily the most dangerous incarnation of Megatron ever.
You know why? He actually won!
He is the only incarnation that had successfully taken over Cybertron a feat that none of the others achieved. Had the Maximals not had help from the Oracle and other divine interventions, Megatron would easily have crushed them.
Jericho Strayker Megatron would've won if it wasn't for the power of commercial editing. He literally had guns pointed at Primal's spark, and then when the scene comes back, those cannons are withdrawn and he punches Primal through a wall. Megatron was cheated of victory via edit.
yeah, he took over cybertron basically
In G1, the Decepticons always had Cybertron. The Autobots just had rebel bases. It wasnt until after the movie and season 3 that the Autobots took it over
The Decepticons always had Cybertron in the G1 show, they only expelled all the Autobots in the 1986 movie.
In the G1 comics, the Decepticons held Cybertron for majority of the run and Megatron regularly decimated the Autobot caste (even when he was overthrown by Shockwave). He even made multiple alliances with Galvatron and nearly tore space and time during the Time Wars.
This Megatron didn’t really do much more than any others, conquering Cybertron is hardly an achievement (Rodimus and Shockwave both did it off camera somehow).
He was also the craziest.
Megatron created a replica of Optimus Primal's Optimal form minus a Beast Mode for himself as new (and also his last) body. A Beast Mode probably would makes the Optimal replica body makes more techo-organic and Megatron wants to be 100% mechanical and 0% organic. The Optimal Optimus form in Season 3 of Beast Wars pretty much was part organic because of the Beast Mode of a gorilla.
Still doesn’t explain exactly how Optimus lost his optimal form
@@austinmorrison6953 Because of a virus, which it does more than de-Transmetalized the Transmetal Maximals and also prevent them from shifting into a robot mode. Rhinox and Silverbolt weren't Transmetal, the virus pretty much was a lot more affected on them likes the virus probably destroys their bodies, which it's easier for Megatron and his Vehicon goons to steal their sparks. I hate when the Transmetal Maximals got de-Transmetalized, especially their Transmetal forms are way cooler than their crappy reformatted forms on Beast Machines, one of the reasons why Beast Wars is better than Beast Machines.
It was better because he was able to operate in water, optimus's Optimal form couldn't do that.
@@DaScorpionSting what you talking about? Megaton was able to use the optimal form underwater at 4:00 he even was able to use its flight mode as a makeshift submarine
@Austin Morrison the virus in the beginning. Anyone with out tranmetal was disabled. Others were reverted to their beast modes of their irignal forms
Bw/bm megatron's biggest problem was his obsession with using irony to beat the maximals and it always backfires! He started with reformatting rhinox into a predacon in beast wars, then cloning dinobot twice, then turning rhinox and silverbolt into vehicons, and finally using primal's old body.
How exactly did using Primal’s old body end up backfiring?
@@Laserbeak316 it's too big and cumbersome to use.
Well he almost beat Optimus until the oracle gave him a power surge
That's his biggest mistake ever since in beast wars, he took the gamble in hoping he was successful but it always ended up bites him back
The fact that Megatron went to the trouble of using Primal's old body just to kill him is amazing.
For me BW and BM were the best series. The concept was original and mature. A new Prime and a new Megatron all different from their ancestors with their own personalities. I love this "obsession" both had with the organic and the technological. None of them was perfect and that is some character development. Truly i love the darkness of this show.
Same
I loved the nods to King Kong and the terminator!!
I remember first seeing this fight when I was between 9 or 10. I just so happened to own the Optimal Optimus toy and when Megatron showed up looking like that I was in total shock. Such great writing.
Nice to end the Generation 1 cartoon continuity with a bang.
Yes man.
Technically Car Robots was the end of the G1 continuity
@@genericstickman5967 Car Robots?
stratagemSG1 yeah Car Robots, also known as Robots in Disguise here
@@genericstickman5967 Is that real?
0:18 he saw the concept art for RID.
That body is alot more usefull and powerfull when used by Megatron. In BW, Optimal Optimus only looks powerfull for 1-2 episodes and then he's easily beaten afterward. Also, he almost never use his beast and truck mode in BW.
He was too OP in BW the writers admitted he had to be toned down as the season progressed.
What's really sad is that the Oracle meant for the technoraganics to be the next step and along comes Optimal Optimus to smash.
No wonder they nefted him.
@@shadowednight1600 To be fair, the body of Optimal Optimus was created when Primal fused his own spark with the spark of Optimus Prime, a Prime who carries with himself both the Matrix of leadership and the essence of Primus the God of creation, No even the oracle can macth that kind of cosmic power, specially a power that was born from the spark of a Prime and the Matrix itself, is like compring a Magnun with a Tank
Megatron "minus the impediment of a beast mode of course"
Primal "I had a beast mode in that body?
At least the Munky mode showed up in 3 episodes. Trukk mode literally showed up once in all of Beast Wars.
@@latrodectusmactans7592 Twice actually.
I can only remember two times his beast mode was used
Say what you want about the show but this was the perfect way to end a era
You mean the g1 era from 1984 - 2002
No.
@@LeadblastYes
Even people one who did not liked the show admit Bms ending was more satisfying than Bws ending. Since unlike Bw(season finales),Bm tried to end it.
Optimus primal is hitting himself
Megatron: Stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself
*he says as he continues to punch primal through many walls*
@@adawnicusautocon I straight up *FALCON PAWNCH'd* him!
@@megatron3104 Indeed you did.
0:48
Man do I love this line
2:53 How I love this part and the song just reinforces this
Say what you will about the show, this Megs gave one hell of a final fight.
0/10 Not enough "Yeeeessss..."
Did hobby send you here?
It would have been nice if dinobot appeared as a primus like entity and helped Optimus save Cybertron
MCU ass plot point
There's something surprisingly terrifying about Megatron in this state. I don't know if it's the face or the fact that its a form we've seen previously that's a combination of Primal and Prime. It's like it's Primal literally getting a taste of his own medicine and trying to work out how to take it down (Which he ends up doing)
Optimus looks like he was truly terrified of this megatron
Megatron is using Optimus"s his own body against him...of course anyone would be terrified AF.
Beast Machines Megatron was the single most disproportionately strong villain that any version of Optimus had to face short of taking on Unicron all alone.
I think we can safely say anyone would be a wee bit scared of his capabilities and sheer determination to get what he wanted.
@@bigbluebuttonman1137 I think you mean the most smart and cunning villain.
@@Kira22558It can be both.
The entire fight could've been won if Megatron actually used his chest cannons instead of punching Primal through the wall
Megatron wants to enjoy his victory for a while
@@darkazon5343 Yeah, Megatron even said something to that effect just as this fight started, IIRC. That portion of dialogue, as well as quite a few other parts, were cut to make this video.
Indeed, simply winning wasn't enough for Megatron, he wanted to crush Primal completely by making him watch the last organic parts of Cybertron wiped away, so he was essentially his own undoing.
I don't like Jojokes but...
Part 3 Dio be like:
2:59 I love the fact that megs just shoved back his severed arms and sorta fixed it
Also yay comment sections are back again
Severed...decapitation is specifically the head chief
@@lucid0419 oops my bad there
@@brandonvortex995 you're good haha.
Why can’t Cybertronian self repair systems ever be this convenient?
@@acemarvel1564 it's not self repair, megs spark were soo mutated it can basically attach any random limbs he can use as weapons and even used a dead transformer body and turned it into a zombie. In the case megs mutated sparks can repair the damage at alarming rate and fast too.
i like how megatron aims at primals chest like how primal did to him when he got his optimal optimus mode
Oh the irony :D
Irony indeed, *yesss...*
@@megatron3104 Yup.
megatron just want to be a prime
john david medina Just like the original Megatron.
Dennis Taylor
Megatronus?
Mettaton Fabulous no. The one who created the Decepticons.
Dennis Taylor
In the g1 continuity?
Actually I was thinking more along the lines of prime continuity.
I doubt others will agree with me but I really love the Beast Machines design for Optimus Primal. It still is one of my favorite versions, even now
I just finished the series in full despite my reservations. I actually ended up enjoying Beast Machines more than I remember. I'm still upset with the tone that they took and not making the characters behave the same as beast wars, minus their voices . This fight though - was probably more epic than any fight in beast wars to be honest. Never seen optimus do any backflips, but he had such style when having this epic battle with Megatron. Megatron is super scary in the optimal optimus body.
Something else to add here: considering how much Megatron wrecks shop in Primal's old Transmetal 2 Optimal body here, why are some people still wondering how he was able to take over Cybertron with an even stronger body in his Transmetal 2 Dragon form???
Admittedly, I might be overthinking or incorrect, but a couple of questions/arguments I've seen are:
1. How the hell did Megatron beat the Maximals back to Cybertron when he fell in the opposite direction of the Transwarp portal?
2. What virus did he even use on Cybertron's population, and how did he get it or make it?
@@johnnygyro2295I don't know about the first one, but I saw a deleted BM script where it was said that Megatron stole a virus from Cryotek.
I was so pissed when everyone lost their transformations, but when Megatron took Optimus last body (Optimal Optimus) I almost stopped watching the show I was so angry. I was mad at Optimus for losing his body at the beginning of this series and Megatron for taking it. Optimus and what was left of his group had shitty bodies compared to Beast Wars. It didn't help that Rhinox was evil too.
the bodys weren't that weaker during beast except optimus but even then he was different compre to the others
plus you cant blame primal losing his body he was litter was out number out gun and they had means to take him down because you know megatron would make sure he can stop there biggest power house. also the body megatron use was a replical so you tech take primal body it just he copyed it because it was one of the strongest during the beast wars
I gotta admit this final fight between Optimus primal and megaton was amazing
Yeah. Their fight starts at the megatron's base the grand mal continued on the streets of cybertropolis and even underwater and ends in the oracle's chamber: the maximal base.
I just wish Megatron had given the body a recolour to suit him better.
G1 Megatron colors would be sick
I'm gonna admit, Nemesis Prime's colors would've looked better on me.
@@megatron3104 Hell yeah!
@@megatron3104both sounds groovy, but definitely the black color fits more!
They made Optimal Megatron better than Optimal Optimus. For one thing, Optimus could never fly underwater during Beast Wars.
Best fight in the series
I 100% agree
Even from 2000.
For the first time, Megatron is on the offence and not retreating. Usually maximals chasing preds, not the other way round.
Agreed this assmoe
@@TheRisingStorm316 I too agree. But it's a huge shame I lost. Did you see how close I was to victory?
I mean, this is a damn good fight--easily one of the best these two ever had, and that's saying something. ...But the fact that Primal is constantly outmatched by his previous body just kind of highlights how much worse these fancy new Technorganic bodies were than the Beast Wars models, which I can't help but feel is a great metaphor for sizing the two shows up overall.
not really optimal optimus was always a supream power house even by beast war standards the only one i can think that was better was the tigertron and airasor hybrid
Can I just say we need a Magatron head for Optimal Optimus
You could use a 3D printer.
@@megatron3104Good idea, Megs.
Megatron is an insane dictator.
Oh, "dictator" is a gross understatement, my friend.
@@megatron3104 a tyrant
@@Kira22558 *Yesss...*
Megatron's low-key scary with optimal optimus's body.
Megatron's head on optimus old body... Has he been watching dio from jojo
The best battle in the series
Megatron
@@Spiralhillvilage7219 *All Hail Megatron.*
Optimum prime's beast machine body is actually pretty powerful...despite only having one real attack. His energy blast appears pretty destructive.
What beast machines lacked is as follows:
1) the proper back story with the transformation virus
2) the reason why the oracle preferred the organic bodies for the maximals instead of their beast wars versions
3) lack of New characters...which is both good and bad
However, being darker than Beast Wars was better cause it showed the seriousness of the battle despite Megatron having the #s advantage for the entire series.
The maximals were forced to use tactics that they normally wouldn't use just to survive, which was uncommon for the Autobots in the 1980s g1 series (even though the comics stated otherwise)
Here is a plot hole I only recently thought of: Why have no human allies come to investigate what has happened to Cybertron?
@@jsweatt354 because humans thought autobots doesn't need them
The transformation virus has enough backstory to work out what happened though they could’ve been more overt at times and some extra details would’ve been nice. The Oracle converting their bodies was to make them techno organic down to a cellular level in a way while before it was more like their skin where beneath they’re still mechanical circuitry, helps that the form grants immunity to the virus
@@jsweatt354 Maybe the human race already went extinct in beastwars time. Transformers can theoretically live forever if they have an energy source. Humans need too much.
@@Kira22558 More like the humans would be in serious danger of being squished or vaporized in the crossfire of a potential scuffle or by a rogue Decepticon, something no Autobot would willingly risk. That and, correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Cybertron have a toxic atmosphere?
4:35 yessss
Imagine how creepy this is. Your foe is using a copy of your strongest form you ever toke now being used for more violent purposes
0:03 When your mom catches you playing with a MLP doll....😂🤣
What is mlp
@@thescourge6704 My little pony. Duh. 😂
Nice one
If Optimal Optimus gets made into a masterpiece toy they should give the option to remove and switch out his face with Megatron’s face.
The only episode of Beast Machines I liked was literally the Final Battle...worth it.
Who else prefers beast wars optimus?
Alpha Maximus
Who else prefers Beast Wars PERIOD?
@@hyperion7248 Yo.
Here
As you can see, Megatron did!
Beast Machines Optimus was just fine.
Poor Optimus his butt is getting kicked again and again 😂😂😂😂😂
And I noticed Megatron never says yeeeeesss like he did in beast wars
Megatron did say “Yesss…” in Beast Machines a few times, actually.
@@TheRisingStorm316 yeah not as much as I remember
"Why do you punch yourself? Stop punching yourself"
If Primal had used his Optimal Optimus body like that in the 3rd season of BW, the Maximals would have won the Beast Wars much sooner.
Yes, but the Ark would have accidentally been destroyed in the process and half of Earth would have been torched.
*Children, it's doesn't get any more late 90's than this. Specially the music.*
Okay, while I found beast machines to be mediocre, the final battle is a highlight of the show, one of my favorite things about it.
I love this fight
Considering that the Optimal body is a product of the Matrix, is wise to consider that is superior than a regular Techorganic body
I Would like a fight between Optimal optimus and optimal megatron.
*Yeeeeeeesssssss*
I want that body
@@ELCarnerojrLFDO An Optimal Optimus-style body? You aren’t the only one.
This megatron is way more twisted than even g1 galvatron
Totally. He not just wanted a purely technological planet, also every lifeform be removed once and for all.
Sometimes your worst enemy is always your reflection.
I would like to see TakaraTomy make Masterpiece versions of the Beast Machines characters. That would be awesome!
Dustin Nunn I would get BlackA and Cheetor.
And they'd need to remove the beast mode head.
@@megatron3104 From your Optimal Megatron body, yes.
Man I still get a kick out of this at the age of 30 LoL... Gotta love the BEAST WARS AND BEAST MACHINES.. especially this battle 😎😎
This was a great fight, but for one small issue. Megatron, who can fly in robot mode, "fell" to he death.
The fight makes for an interesting point of reference in terms of power. Optimus' technorganic body, in addition to being uglier (in robot mode anyway), is far weaker than his old Optimal body, which in turn was outclassed by Megatron's old Transmetal 2 dragon body. For a guy obsessed with power, it's ironic he'd give up that power. Then again, the show never did explain what made him decide he hated his beast mode in the first place. This is the guy who can be seen petting his beast mode's head several time during Beast Wars as well as bushing it's teeth.
Probably because, by the events of Beast Machine, he was all about absolute technology. The beast aspect of his previous incarnation is seen as inferior to his vision. Plus his eternal nemesis, Primal, is still an organic by now. So it's a reminder of his old for. He even dumped the beast mode.
megatron transmetal 2 was not more powerful than optima optimus optimus was still much more powerful but megatron only really beat was when he got the form at the first place he was beatin after wards
I think someone mentioned that megatron sparks were badly damaged during his fell through transwarp, and his sanity chip were also damages during process, causing his sudden alter personality to hated his beast mode during the show
@@brandonvortex995 Some have said that BW Megatron having G1 Megatron’s spark also took part in leading to his insanity and his hatred for organics and techno-organics.
Some argue that Megatron “fell” due to being too large and heavy to fly after absorbing all the sparks.
i would pay to see this preformed on stage
Megatron stole Optimal Optimus Primal's body
Trains his laser sights on Optimus, next scene decides to punch Optimus through a wall.
Megatron shot at Optimus, but Optimus deflected the shot, and that move alone was seriously close to destroying the Spark container.
Mainframe animation choices were weird. Beast Wars cartoons usually lacked shadows, but beautiful metallic rendering. Beast machines were full of shadows, but lacked metallic rendering. I wonder why.
That's the era of the 90's. They had to sacrifice a lot of rendering things, but BM models have a loooot of detail. And I rather prefer shadows instead of Metallic reflection. Encore Air Attack Primal is a proof.
And to think this awesome battle is technically the grand finale in the chronological Transformers franchise.
I love this series and Beast Wars, but it sucks without subtitles because half the time I never know what they’re saying. I never knew Megatron was saying, “Minus the impediment of a beast mode, of course.”
For a long time, I thought it was, “Mine is the impediment of a beast mode, of course.”
Is there a way to get the series to include subtitles in the future?
I didn't have to much of a problem with the Beast Machines cartoon. But it was the toys I hated. They never scaled correctly Cheetor, Rattrap, and Night Scream we're to big. Optimus Primal, Silverbolt, and Botanica we're to small the only ones who had proper size scale was Black Archnia and the Vihicons
Beast machines is like Age Of extinction after dark of the moon. A great different spin for Optimus Prime
Never compare this with the Bayformers please. Thanks.
If you think about it this was the potential Optimal Optimus had with his old body. Imagine Optimus doing this during the beast wars
I think that's what the next series after this would've been like. Optimus and megatron get revived and megatron inherits his dragon form again while Optimus inherits the optimal body megatron created. Too bad they scrapped the series.
@@DaScorpionSting Are you referring to TransTech?
Not gonna lie but the fight scene is pretty enjoyable
Can we just assume beast machines in not cannon and the maximals didn't lose their transmetal bodies?
İts looks super ugly,but show is not that bad. İts same league with s3 of Beast wars.
Megatron: is a personification of the writers who evidently hate everything about the Maximals and Beast Wars in general
Also Megatron: Optimus cosplayer
Kinda ironic consider Megatron using Optimal Optimus much better than Primal used in BW Season 3
All this fight is one great irony in which Transmetal proves that it is better than techno organic.
It's like horror story
i forgot how optimus's robot mode eyes look in two different directions....
2:13 what’s the song called for this part it’s got sick beats
I think Optimal Megatron should’ve had his transmetal color scheme. It would have made him awesome.
I would have liked that optimus had recovered his old optimal body and megatron his dragon version but that he could transform into robot mode without problems, although that would be too much fan service, although the final battle was good admit it many would have liked to see that optimus get your old body back
I'm confused? Did he just rip Optimus primal Spark out of his old body kept it put away somewhere or did he have like blueprints to make a copy of the same body
Optimus primal body was turned back into his season one beast wars form
Megatron happen to have his copy of optimus primal optimal body blueprints so he make one for himself minus the beast mode of course
@@brandonvortex995 it would have been cool of Optimus could have turned back into his optimal form one last time to at least fight Megatron
@@VVV953 yeah unfortunately this were directed by a guy whom according to people ruined the DC comics, the director told two writer not to watch beast wars which prevented them to study or understanding the story of beast wars
For me personally I think beast machines would have been better if they're new robot forms could have come in the form of shapeshifters AKA they could change back into their old Transformer bodies from Beast Wars but hey a guy can dream right
@@brandonvortex995 I mean, it has an interesting concept, finally Megatron takes over Cybertron as the mastermind of all the planet while the Maximal are the last hope. I think is has to do with bad execution and some, plus Hasbro was somewhat confused with the concept art for the new toys
This show could of work if the characters look like their old counterparts.
Transmetal bodies really were better than the technorganic, not just in power but honestly in appearance too
What’s the name of the battle music? I love it and want to listen to it on repeat
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Megaton? in Optimus' old body? how did this happen?
In beast machines Megatron's spark can pull a Starscream and move from body to body. When Ratrap figured that out he tricked Megatron into smaller body after polarizing his spark so he couldn't transfer it the comfortable way. So Megatron in the small helper bot body escaped to what was most likely a vehicon factory and had made a replica of Optimus's old body and with the help of Thrust, Obsidian, and Strika he was able to basically do a heart transplant into the new shell body.
thanks for the information
sanedimentio
This was helpful: )
Almost a replica. Obviously the face moreso resembles Megatron's old bodies, and as he says, it lacks a beast mode (not like Optimus used it very often anyway)
The horror show that is beast machines optimus
Beast Machines is not a horror show!
they're as freaky as they are interesting
They're are not freaky!they're just Interesting!
His beast mode and normal mode are exactly the same.
Yes Beast Machines was a horrible show.
Plot twist, next Optimus primal will find and use Megatrons old body......
Optimus using Megatron’s old body should be in a Beast Machines AU (Alternate Universe)
Truly Epic!!
And I agree with you