Product Review 41 - Kimera Kolors
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- In this Product Review video, I take you through Kimera Kolors, these highly pigmented paints are limited in range, but powerful in ability. Are they for you?
Overall Grade: A
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As these colours are very strong single pigments and for that reason have different consistency i tend to always add a little white or black or both when using them. last few models i have painted i have used only Kimera and i love it. If starting with a Zenital i suggest to use a'lot of glaze medium to save your pre-shade.
I also recommend these colours to complete beginners. Maybe i am crazy. But this small set of colours gives you all you ever need to get started. And in my opinion it forces any beginner painters to learn about painting and mixing paints straight away instead of learning about it later and being afraid.
Yeah, it would be a great way to start because it would force you to understand color theory and mixing at an earlier stage than most do. That being said, I can also understand why some would want to stay away and get something more by the numbers, so both are valid, but it's valuable if you can withstand the shallow learning curve.
It would be creat for any beginner to start with a limited palette, but i feel that this choice needs to be supported by a good master. Having a skilled painter nearby to help in any troubleshooting would make the limited palette choice viable for a beginner, otherwise it can lead to frustration and the newcomer leaving the hobby
Being able to mix competently is what really brought me to my next level
Absolutely.
It isn’t rocket science guys !! It’s mixing blue and yellow to make a green…Just like in preschool finger painting ….It is that simple boys ..Just have to learn a little ….
I used to be a paint fom the pot kinda guy, but a buddy of mine gave me a set of these cause he didn;t like mixing colors, and I haven't looked back. They are a pleasure to paint with and I love how matte they dry, which took a little getting used to.
Totally agree, love these paints for sure.
I had the chance to try these at Adepticon last year in a class with Francesco Farabi, and I'll admit it: when I realized I'd have to mix my own fleshtones I was terrified. However, it only took about 5 minutes of playing around with colors before I figured it out and then I immediately fell in love with these paints. As Vince says, they both wetblend and glaze like a dream, and because of the pigment density, the colors are amazingly vibrant--even when working on less saturated colors. (Francesco gave the breakdown in class, and I think it was something like Kimiera is 35% pigment, while most minipaints are in the 10% range.)
One thing I don't believe Vince mentioned is that the set comes with a nice mixing guide to get you started understanding how to blend colors. If you're already comfortable mixing your own colors, or you just want to challenge yourself, it's worth picking these up.
Great note, and yes, I should have mentioned the mixing guide. :)
I'd be really interested in seeing a side-by-side comparison with Golden Fluid Acrylics (and High-Flow as well), Liquitex Acrylic Gouache, da Vinci Fluid Acrylics, ....
I've been using the artists' colors for a year or so and have much the same reaction to them as you have to these. But they're easier to find. 8-)
That's quite a comparison! I would have to get a fair number of paints, but I like the idea. Sort of an Artist Paint review (as opposed to the miniature paint review). I will have to mark that down as a good idea for a future video.
@@VinceVenturella Dance for me UA-cam boy! 8-)
Thanks for considering it, though. I don't think I know anybody using both artists' acrylics and Kimera paints, so the comparison might instructive.
Actually, I don't know that you would need a bunch of colors, since pigments vary so much even within a brand. But a comparison of (say) Burnt Sienna and Phthalo Blue between brands could be interesting. That might highlight differences without being too confusing.
And Burnt Sienna and Phthalo Blue (or whatever) are useful enough that having a few extra bottles might be reasonable.
Vince Venturella yes please. A couple of artists on the Reaper forums have discussed the differences and it’d be fun to have more views on this.
I bought the Liquitex Acrylic Gauche since Kimera Colors were out of my price range. MarcofrisoniNJM was trying them out in a video on color mixing, he had some comments but it was not a review video so I poked around the net some for more info. I found others speculating they were a good alternative that was easier to get - and went for it when I caught a sale. I like them so far. Overall very matte, opaque and concentrated pigment which is what I wanted. (I already had acrylic inks and a Wicked airbrush paint set, nearly all of the colors in those sets are at least semi-transparent.)
@@LightCarver I got them too but have had some problems with the yellow as it drys. Any green I mixed looks fine while wet but once dry the yellow pigment almost separates and has a very chalky finish. It's very odd.
Very grateful for your opinion.
I spent time researching these and I'm glad to have you further confirm what I had found.
Happy to help as always. :)
Your product reviews are always the best, based on significant time spent using the product instead of a superficial pass. Thank you!
That's the goal, I never rush these, because I always want to make sure I really understand the product before reviewing it.
"Vince Venturella is the Ron Jeremy of miniature painting"
--Trovarion 2020
Sorry I'm done now.... I'll refrain from asking what size brush you're working with 🤣
No way!
Vince's brush has much more hair on it. 😎
This is the most unique compliment I've gotten. ;)
@@VinceVenturella just let it happen, this is an official thing now
Something else I will mention is that just like their HBA cousins, each paint color has different properties in terms of opacity. Oxides, Black, White all are pretty opaque. The Pthalo Blues and Green, while super tinting strong in color, are actually very translucent.
I have been using mine for learning color mixing and theory, as well as using them like inks to push existing mixed paints in a certain direction.
Glad you were able to try them out. Now that you have such a collection, having color comparisons between brands to compare opacity and finish next to each other could be interesting.
It's a great point, the opacity can vary quite a bot which is a good advantage once you get the hang of it.
Awesome review as always, was looking for something like this! Especially since they are promoted as the paints you want to use if you want to have full control of your colours. Since the pure pigment is, to my knowledge done, so you can mix it to what you need and know which pigments are in the paints.l
Excellent, happy to help as always. :)
The suspicious person in me wonders if they're just rebranded/ rebottled high-flow artists acrylics with really good marketing.
It could be, they are somewhat similar to those for sure.
Not convinced that would be very cost-effective for them. Also they handle a lot more consistently than most fluid acrylics, which tend to emphasise the unique qualities of each pigment. So at minimum Kimera is doing work with the underlying medium and additives. Also they’ve made one or two quirky choices with the pigments. I’m not sure many pro lines would go for the orange they’re using. Poor lightfastness.
I will say that my wife is a studio artist and has a large collection of highflow and fuild artist acrylics. I own and use the Kimera set. They are more dissimilar to the high flows in my opinion and are most similar in consistency to Golden's fluid acrylics. However that line is all over the place with finish and does not brush on miniatures all that well - I've tried. The medium has got to be completely different. Also of note with artist acrylics is that most brands tend to use similar well-known pigments to achieve the same colors. That's part of the appeal. Cobalt Blue is always Cobalt Blue. It's the medium where companies differentiate themselves. I think Kimera has done a pretty cool thing here - taking artist-grade single pigment recipes and putting them into a medium that mini painters can use.
FINALLY got my hands on a set!!! They were in stock (Scale75 USA) for two days and then gone again.
Well, you will greatly enjoy it. It's a fantastic set. :)
Well, well, well... When you recommended them in a Q&A they just sold out at a somewhat localish seller and haven't come back in stock, now I'm rather certain it will take even longer. On the one hand, thank you for the review, on the other "Thanks...!". :D
Sorry. ;)
I just got a load of these for a christmas present. granted i cant use them till christmas but im super excited to finally be able to try these out! thanks for the review, it was quite helpful!
Glad it was helpful.
I really like the idea of these paints and them being pigment rich makes them extra appealing. When army painting you could do some test models where you figure out the which colors to mix and then pre-mix them (and put in a empty dropper bottle). That way you can find the exact color you like, but also have the consistency of regular paints. Do you think that makes sense Vince?
Also, has your evaluation changed after using them the past 5-6 months?
I still love them, just used them a bunch this weekend. And yes, I certainly think you could pre-mix.
Great video and even better timing as I keep hearing about them from other painters, but I've been on the fence. I will probably pick them up (once back in stock,) but contrary to what you said in the video because I've always been an out the pot color guy. I have learned that is actually a detriment to understanding color and light and holds you back when painting. By knowing what's in the mix it allows you to alter and see the effect. All because of some good OSL and lighting effect videos. Thanks Vince!
Happy to help as always. :)
I’ve found them as you indicate: great for those wanting to use artist pigments- they give the pigment info..bottle tops a bit messy...made by a specialist paint company and the key guy in the company is a miniature painter and artist..well done Vince.
Nice, yeah, I really have enjoyed them quite a bit, good investment for sure. :)
you gave them the thumbs up so i ordered mine too
The second basis pigment set was announced on yesterdays stream (Monte San Savino). Very excited about more single pigment colors. Was not that interested in the sets they released in-between the first one and the upcoming one. I have enough blends from Citadel, Vallejo etc as is. A helpful person in the Kimera Facebook group wrote down all the colors and corresponding pigments. AFAIK they are planning to release the set in december and will have 1500 sets available.
PBr11 - Oxide Brown Dark
PBr11 - Oxide Brown Medium
PBr11 - Oxide Brown Light
PBr24 - Honey Moon Yellow
PBr48 - Dark Ochre
PR101 - Mars Orange
PY170 - Diarylide Yellow
PBr25 - Royal Brown
PR179 - Alizarin Crimson
PV19 - Purple
PR3 - Toluidine Red
PB29 - Ultramarine Blue
PB36 - Cobalt Bluegreen
PG17 - Oxide Green
This is fantastic news!
Man, I´m so happy I grabbed a set from the very first batch, those are out of stock a lot. Excellent paints, pretty much my goto paints when I work with a brush.
Yeah, they really are wonderful, I have been enjoying them. :)
Mixing yellow and red, making orange, then adding white and all of a sudden it's flesh colored is straight up sorcery.
It's wonderful. :)
Great work as always! Many thanx for that. There's a bunch of choice now, dunno what will be my next move ^^ especially when straight colors are converging with ink...
Thank you, happy to help as always. :)
Today I have a painting competition at my FLGS: 5 hours - 5 paints - 1 random mini… bringing the kimera red, yellow oxide, blue red shade plus liquitex heavy body white and Vallejo model colour black… wish me luck!
Love it - Good luck!
Hi Vince. Thanks for the video, brilliant as ever. Ill buy these because i want to reduce the sheer amount of paints I use and have a cleaner set up.
Out of interest, would you get similar results by using, say, a Vallejo Cyan, Magenta and Yellow with white and black or does the pure pigment % in thr Kimera line make it completely different? I ask because the Vallejo are much more accessible to me.
It would be different, both in consistency, but also because Vallejo often has other pigments, even on what seems to be true colors.
Glad to hear the black is especially runny for everyone. I had been thinking I’d been sent a dud.
Yeah, it's the one strange thing, I like the tone, but it's very watery.
It’s like butter! 🎶 Thanks for another great review:) Which color is your favorite to work with so far?
The Red (literally that is the name) it's so intense and bright.
Vince, would this be the paint set for me? I don't like to buy specific paints to highlight a color. I only like to buy paints to for a color I know will be used consistently like say the orange on my non aspect warrior units who will be in black armor, accented with orange with blue gems. But for my aspect squads wich I tend to collect alot of I paint them in all sorts of different colors schemes and having the option to mix potentially any color I need seems pretty awesome. I'm also highly creative (my MBTI is INFJ) I'm also like a 97 in openess to experience wich means out of 100 people I'm more creative than 96 of them wich basically means I think of all sorts of unique ideas and ways to do things and sometimes I feel like I'm working with limited tools with the paints I have. Having the option to potentially mix any color I need instead of spending 10$ on a specific paint seems like a godsend. You've been painting for longer than I've been alive so I want to hear your thoughts.
If you like mixing and a more traditional palette usage (think classic canvas artists), this is perfect for you.
Lovely, balanced review as always :)
Thank you, happy to help as always. :)
Hey, Vince, arriving late to the party but I see replies from you until 3 months back, so I’m taking my shot. Been reading that some people get chalky issues with these paints. I get from the video you didn’t get these, so my question is more what would cause these with paints of this nature?
I have seen the issues with a few of the paints, but it’s pretty minimal, honestly, for most colors, it’s quite smooth. Especially the later lines.
What are your favorite colors from this set?
The Red, right at the top, I also like their warm and cold yellow, the Magenta and the Violet.
Thanks for the review vince, still waiting for my local store to get these again, (gotta support the local store). was planning to challenge myself by using just these for a little while.
Yeah, they are really a challenge to find (and will likely be for a while in the future).
I've been using these for a while and my main complaint is I can't seem to keep them wet on my palette. They form a shell of dried paint on top and last maybe an hour at most. I also use AK 3rd gen and Golden so flats and they don't have this issue. I live in a pretty dry environment, normally 15-30% humidity most of the year. Any ideas?
Never relly had that happen, but how wet is your wet palette? You may want more liquid in there or to smooth the little paint blobs out a little, not too sure.
@VinceVenturella nearly swimming, could be the shitty paper, I use the army painter and AK. Just gonna try to switch it to regular kitchen parchment.
I'm surprised at this review! I've had mine for months now and while I agree with everything you've mentioned in this review, I have come to hate these paints because they separate on me. If I mix a desaturated brown using the red oxide and a green, I get a lovely color that ends up as red and green on my palette about 2 minutes after it's mixed. Even more so if I made a glaze out of it. I'm probably doing something very different to you, I have primarily been using water as a medium for these and maybe I should use something else.
For paints that require you to mix up every single color, having them separate on me was too much of a hassle to like them much, or at all. So I was surprised to not hear you mention this at all.
I've not had this problem, could be the way the paint interacts with the type of water in your area. What I have had happen is for the pigment to clump up in the glaze. This was probably my fault for using too much water; but the reason I did this was that the paints were so saturated I feel I needed to thin them more. When I used the medium I did not have this problem at all. Try checking out Marco Frision NJM channel - he uses these a lot and gets spectacular results.
Tim Dierckx Read your comment. Then watched the paints on Vince’s palette to see if they separated. End of the video and they seemed stable. Mate of mine uses this range too and he hasn’t mentioned separation issues. Perhaps it’s just down to the water you are using. Are you using tap water? Because that can have variable mineral contents and chemical additives. Try distilled water, or the medium supplied with the paints. Good luck.
I don't have the issue. Sorry Tim!
Hmmm...yeah, hasn't happened to me either. But it's hard to say, that could be the water, the humidity or the paper of the wet palette, there are lots of factors there, so it may be just that it's not happening to me because of one of these things.
Maybe you should try using a medium instead of water, the binder in it will probably keep the pigment mixed fo a longer time....
I recently got my set in the mail. Was very stoked until I realized that these paints don't airbrush well (at least not the 3 yellows I tried). That is a bummer, because I have been focusing on getting better with the airbrush. It's my own fault, I should have researched it better before buying. I do like supporting a small company like Kimera and very much appreciate the artist approach where they only use single pigments and tell you which ones the use (would be awesome if Vallejo/Scale75/ProAcryl would start doing that, but I think it's more likely that hell freezes over first). I very much appreciate that from artist inks (Daler Rowney and Liquitex) as well.
So I have foud the trick to airbrushing them is to very heavily thin them. As always, I use my 80/20 Thinner/Flow improver mix and I have to mix them about 6 to 1 with thinner.
@@VinceVenturella Hi Vince, do you always have a pre mixed bottle of 80/20 thinner to flow improver for all of your airbrush paint thinning?
Been trying to choose between buying some of these or some pro acryl… problem is that they both look great!
Very different paints, but both great paints.
Well, this got me convinced, yet another product I'm buying after Hobby Cheating reviews (this series is both the best hobby content on YT and a wallet drainer). Can't wait to get my set. A silly question, though - what are the dimensions of these bottles? I know they're 30ml, but the shape is not standard and I'm wondering how they fit in different paint racks, but I couldn't find any info on the height/width/depth of these bottles.
I was able to get them to fit in my normal nail polish racks, but they are a little wider, so you may need to rotate or get one that's a little wider, as they are more like 1 1/2 inch across.
How do these stack up to Pro Acryl for wet blending, glazing etc? They sound pretty similar, but since you've used a lot of pro acryl previously I'm curious what you think is the better paint or best use case for each
They are very similar, the Kimera is a little more pigment intense. It has a real intensity that even the pro acryl can't match. That being said, I use them both quite regularly and together (I was just mixing 2 earlier today), so in the end, I really like both and they are near the top of my list.
I got the cold yellow and violet after finally deciding to try them, loving the cold yellow, but I'm confused about the violet, it's rather thick almost like toothpaste and adheres pretty roughly if thinned down even a little bit.
Maybe a bad bottle? With a little work it does work but it's not nearly as impressive as the quite liquidy cold yellow which is now one of my favorite yellow paints.
Many Kimera have that more toothpaste feel. They are generally thicker. The key is working them out into a layer consistency if you want to paint in that style, or, keeping the paint thick and “thinning on the miniature” where you put on a glop of paint and then thin and spread on the mini.
@@VinceVenturella I like both ways so that's good.
So I'm guessing the cold yellow is the rarer liquidy type of kimera?
That's good to hear, I also think the adhere issue was that I had some glaze medium in my water probably.
I know this is off topic but I just spotted Vallejo The Shifters. They seem to have been around for more than a year. Would a product review or a Hobby Cheat be in place for that? Someone suggested a painted Tyranid army using that sort of paint but I'm not sure of the time and place to use this.
I am not generally a big fan of shifting paint, but I do have some, I will likely play with them and do a review at some point.
I barely got a set from this last batch and they are so nice
Yep, I am really loving them.
Vince Venturella They are just so vibrant and for a relatively new painter I love trying to find the colors in the palate
I definitely won't like these as I don't like mixing too much. But I can see why people like them.
Yeah, if you're not a mixing person, these aren't going to do as much for you.
I'm in the market for some new paint and quite like the 'artist palette' approach. How would you compare or contrast these with the pro acryl range Vince?
I honestly like them both very much. Pro Acryl obviously has a wider range of colors, but these are a little more pigment intense (though both are quite rich). I have been using both of them interchangably and I am really enjoying them together.
Great review Vince! Thanks. One question though: what paper are you using on your wet palette in this video? I've the same palette but my paper doesn't have the grid lines like yours.
That looks like parchment paper that you can get from the supermarket.
Yep, it' just good old fashioned reynolds baking paper.
Very good review. Thank you.
Thank you, happy to help as always. :)
Very nice review. I've been using them for months too. They are great colors and their pigmentation is excellent. I did a review of them as well.
Awesome, yeah, I am really enjoying them for sure. :)
Price seems to be 73,20euros now from Kimera's website for the whole set.
Worthwhile I think. :)
I’ve been enjoying these paints a lot. They have really forced me to understand color more. I have run into an issue with the paints having a fair amount of grittiness to them. Have you run into this issue? Any idea on how to solve this? I have shaken them for a few minutes before use and I still find small chunks of what I assume to be pigment, especially with the yellows and oxide brown. I feel like there is an easy fix that I am missing. Thanks for all you do, Vince.
I've been using these paints for a while now and tbh I've never had this issue. May be a bad batch?
Never run into the issue, I always use a vortex mixer so that might be affecting something, but it could be a bad batch or one that got frozen, but I would say maybe look at a deeper shake.
Trying to get a set for 6 months now, any ideas on how I can get them . There always out of stock.
Yeah, for me it was just watching the FB group and ordering as soon as I saw them in stock. Sadly, they go out quickly.
Thank you for the review. Maybe I'll give them a try.
Unrelated question : you changed the original paper of the Redgrass wet palette. What's the reason? After I heard some reviews where the reviewer was not that sold on how it behaves I'm not sure if it's right for me.
So what are your thoughts after using it for a very long time?
I did, it's just Reynolds Baking Paper, there was no real reason for the change other than Like I can cut it to size easier, I never had a problem with the base paper and use it often still. Its just what I have at hand. :)
Vince Venturella do you find the redgrass palette with the parchment paper to behave more like the redgrass with original paper or more like a home made one with parchment paper? What i really want to know is what is more important for the final behavior, the fancy sponge ir the fancy paper. I’d think about upgrading my home made wet palette with a redgrass but i find costly and impractical to rely on theyr specific paper
@@druidobianco9734 My honest answer is I haven't really noticed a difference.
Aha! I've been waiting on this, let's see what you think 🙂👍
Hope you enjoyed. :)
Just curious, what's the name of your background music?
The music running throughout is called Mia, it's from UA-cam's free list.
I really like the paints, but I have trouble remixing flesh tones over several painting sessions. Something I just need to get better at, I think.
Or make your ideal mix in a small container and save it!
Yep, the pre-mix in a container can be a great tool over a lot of sessions or figures.
That’s basically why a lot of wargamets like to have a hige range of premixed colors, it keeps the consistency through out the entire army. This il less of a necessity if you paint busts or big display figures, as much as a painting on a canvas
Just pre-ordered a set. They don't seem to stay in stock!
Yep, they go away fast.
Hi Vince, top-quality vid as always 😊
Have you tried or do you plan to review Instar Alpha paints more specifically the paints that have Pure in the name?
Those are also single pigment paints.
Kind Regards
Kalle
I haven't given them a try, if I see them available somewhere, I will pick them up and give them a try.
Vince Venturella, I`m normally just order direct on Instar’s webpage: shop.instarpaint.com 😊
Any suggestion on where to find these paints please?
I believe you still get them directly from the site itself - www.pegasoworld.com/product/kimera-kolors-acrylic-set/
Wait, so the red + the black made brown?!
Yes indeed
@@VinceVenturella it actually makes sense, the Red Ocre is probably a PR101 pigment.
how do these compare with scale75 artist acryllics?
They seem even more pigmented honestly and are more liquid. The Scale Artists are closer to HBA, these are closer to the artist liquid acrylics, but really pigment dense.
Vince Venturella thanks!
Looks like Scale75USA.com just became a US distributor for Kimera. Hopefully it will be easier to get a set. I grabbed mine this morning.
I saw this today, great news for sure.
Vince, me boy! You're not helping my paint addiction! Stop it! Stop it I say!
Sorry, I am addicted and so you all share in that. ;)
I'm going to be a brand new painter. I'm going with the USA Vallejo set to start with, then probably goign to get a few unique Citadel colors, but I do want to try Kimera eventually when I'm ready.
Great review, thanks!
Right on! Sounds like a good plan to me.
Where can I purchase these in the US?
As far as I'm aware you can only buy them direct from kimera kolors... I would recommend joing their Facebook as they post when they have stock
On a side not saw a company called sabit miniatures in us are selling them at $80!! Seems like they are sold out my guess is they are buying some from kimera when they are in stock and selling them at inflated price
Yeah, I got mine direct, I heard about the below, but that is the only person in the US as far as I know.
Spoiled, hahaha, your sense of humor cracks me up.
Glad it lands for some. :)
Oh wow
Hope it was useful. :)
Just ordered these from Scale75 USA for anyone else looking for these.
Yep, they are finally carrying the range here in the states, which is great.
They seem to be great paints. I'm yet to try out Warcolours. Pro Acryl and Kimera, gotta do that someday, especially Warcolours.
They would hit a home run if they did a smaller bottles too, around 17ml. Sometimes I find myself mixing paints on palette when I'm too lazy to grab a pot of color I need, but that can turn out not the greatest when painting part of an army. Can be good when doing this for characters, but when doing for only part of troops I feel bad, mostly because I know I won't remember the recipe (I'm too lazy for my own good, should start noting down the recipes). Sometimes mixing leads to interesting results, like for example: I was mixing inks in my airbrush, testing it out, and I managed to come up with a nice orange. Shame it was a lot of trial and error mixing, so I don't have a specific recipe. But one hormagaunt has great looking carapace no, which is nice.
I have similar problem with my Imperial Knight painting project. His armor plates were painted at the same time, with a lot of on the fly experimentation. Later I found 2 plates I've missed on the sprue, as well as protective guards on guns. I'm not sure if I can replicate that same style now :/
Great review!
It can sometimes be tough to match like that, but my best advice is often, people won't notice small differences, especially if it's not for a competition or something and it's going to be weathered and such over top. :)
the set is hard to get even for us Europeans. They're constantly out of stock.
For now, you can up your pigment by mixing inks into your paints to achieve the high vibrancy.
The Kimera Kolors painting group ob FB usually gets a heads up before they go into stock again.
57 Euros, these days they are closer to 80. Hehehe
Ouch
@@VinceVenturella Oh hey! Wasn't expecting a reply. Super curious question, still think they are worth it for about £78? Which is roughly 89 Euro, compared to say, proacryl which is the same price range?
@@lordbiscuitthetossable5352 Yep, they really are some of my favorite paints.
Yeah they kept going out of stock because they kept giving out every shipment to every jackass with a camera and website to review so that actual paying customers couldn't get their hands on them.
No offense.
None taken, I paid for mine and ordered them through the website. :)