Min Hee Jin: "ILLIT Copied NewJeans", HYBE vs Ador Feud & More!
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
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Welcome to another episode of my totally legit Kpop news show, where we talk about all the recent juicy kpop ongoings! Today we're taking a deep dive into the ADOR vs HYBE which implicated ILLIT and NewJeans, including plagiarism accusations and betrayal.
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0:00 Intro
2:45 HYBE Initiates audit of Ador
7:02 Min Hee Jin Planned to use NewJeans?
8:20 Ador’s Response
16:48 Media Play Hypocrisy
#NewJeans #ILLIT #HYBE - Розваги
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As a CEO in her mid 40s I expected her to maybe deny the allegations or say something wise why she be acting like an unemployed teen rebellious kpop stan on twitter.
Well, whatever she said was absolutely right though, illit has blatantly copied everything about NewJeans, and as a bunny, it is frustrating to us!
@@mahabubajannathashi1199 So why didn't MHJ report Belift? If you commit a crime you are judged for the crime you committed, not for what others committed. Also because copying a concept is not a crime.
@@mahabubajannathashi1199 you're so naive it's actually shocking. I give MHJ props, she's a master manipulator. Hope she goes to jail tbh.
@@mahabubajannathashi1199 NewJeans has no monopoly on a sound or font or amount of members in a group
@@divx1001 you’re clearly a NewJeans hater who waiting for a a downfall. Keep barking doggy
Since when y2k style has been named as new jeans style and girl crush style as blackpink style? as if kpop fandom was not narrow minded enough!
They don't own these concepts but they did popularized it
@@o.othepinksso how is it copied then?
@@AskMe-fl2sm i never said they copied maybe took some inspiration and I was replying to the op how these two groups impacted these concepts which resulted into these new groups taking inspirations nothing wrong with that 🤷🏻♀️
This dumb take has been regurgitated over and over again. Yes they don't own the concepts however it's in New Jean's best interest not to have another group with an overlapping concept within the same parent company. To consumers it might seem a petty thing but try to think of it as a business stand point if you can.
Come on, we all know Illit copied NewJeans, and they look so similar that it’s terrifying! Go look at their videos, clearly they are trying to follow NewJeans’ business model
her name dropping illit as a ceo of one of the biggest kpop groups right now is so unprofessional. she just put a target on illits back for hate. and is fueling it even more. especially when she was 100% okay with using all of bts' resources and name. "bts little sisters" or "newjeans achieved in one year what it took bts in 7" this woman is deranged. she should not be a ceo if she is scheming like this to a bunch of younger girls and their parents. i hope at least newjeans parents are catching on and seeing the red flags on her.
she talks all the time about hybe and belift, there is no jate on illit
@@da_avi did you even read her statement?
@@da_avi she quite literally name dropped illit several times. a normal agency would have had the decency to at least name them "group a" but she did not care that a bunch of young girls are about to be hated. if you know how kpop works, the hate will be on the group, always.
let all the information come out before coming to conclusion , i recommend stay neutral
@@straykidswatcher-vq7xx my comment isn't speculation. this is all based on her statement where she names illit a lot and talks about how she doesn't want hybe to use newjeans name all while using bts name for promo.
Remember guys, in all this wait until all information has come out and DO NOT go after the idols. Whatever this is, it's between mhj and HYBE and frankly I don't like or trust either parties.
True I am sure both the companies are hungry for money and power
I don’t think her audience is the type to go after idols. I could be wrong though.
This is where “the lesser of two evils” comes in
Personally, I think HYBE as a whole is more “evil” (and I’m using evil very loosely here) but MHJ is a lot of “evil” for one woman
Wow. Hybe owns ador.they paid for everything. Hybe launched ador . Hybe trained newjeans. Hybe money paid for newjeans debute and comeback. Hybe paid for newjeans phoning.
@@nicoleloss7987 hello! MHJ literally decided to popularized the concept at right time,her concept was fresh that's why people liked them..... Their sets ,clothes, concept,what members fit vibe of the grp(visuals) everything you may not like her but don't discredit her along with hybe popularity and marketing and let's not forget the members voices,visuals
one correction right at the beginning. it wasnt min heejin that founded ador, ador was founded by hybe and they appointed min heejin as ceo of the company. It wasnt until i think last year that min heejin received 18% of company stock, highly likely contractually agreed upon when she was appointed as ceo in case of the company being a success (which it got with the achievements of new jeans).
adore shares owned in 2021:
Hybe 100%
adore shares owned in 2024:
Hybe 80%
Min Heejin 18%
other Adore executives 2%
edited because of possible misunderstanding of the previous post
WOW! Min heejin is getting greedy then. Wonder why she didn't respond to HYBE's accusation but brought up ILLIT instead.
this comment need to be highlighted. people believe MHJ founded ADOR
yikes i had no idea about this, she's crazy
Yup exactly
I don't think it's entirely accurate, or at least a little misleading, by saying HYBE gave her 18% of Ador "as appreciation" for NewJeans's success. That's simply part of how execs get paid. They don't just receive a take home salary in cash. Often, they have the option to be paid in company stocks.
it's just crazy to me that this woman is basically being accused "corporate espionage", which is a literal crime that can land her in jail if true, and her response was "but they copied my concept 🥺". it was also mentioned this has been happening for two years, since '22, and illit debuted a month ago so what's her excuse for the rest of the time? why hasn't she defended herself against the crimes she allegedly committed?? call me crazy but shouldn't that be the first thing she addressed??
She may have a latent mental health problem along the lines of "crazy bitch," and she's starting to spiral out of control.
What is she supposed to say in response to the crimes she committed? Yes I did??
This is her way of steering it away from what she did
@@vivid_blossoms that’s my point. i’m shocked by her audacity to use illit as a shield for her committing a crime. since she’s trying to gain public favor you’d think she’d at least lie and say she didn’t do it, but by her not addressing it it’s gonna have the opposite effect and turn people against her.
you know damn well that's hybe trying to smear her name lmao kpoppies are so gullible dear god
Bcuz she has no proof to protect her crime 😂
Hybe accused her of illegal crimes and actions and then she puts out a stan twitter type statement accusing illit of allegedly plagiarising NJs. She is simply trying to manipulate public opinion to gain sympathy from NJs fandom incase she goes south.
Not only that she is so selfish that she doesnt mind bringing down two successful girl groups along with her in her schemes.
The Ador statement feels very unprofessional indeed
Sad thing is I don’t think it’ll take illit down if anything it hurts NewJeans more cause it actively looks like she’s bullying illit.
@@user-rb4sw4qg3q I wouldn't be suprised if MHJ leaked some information about youngseo or blackmailed her with it since there was some news regarding her been associated with Seunghan from riize so she could leave because she was the MOST popular and likeable member in the grp. She was also a trainee at Ador.
@@user-rb4sw4qg3q I wouldn't be suprised if MHJ leaked some information about youngseo or blackmailed her with it since there was some news regarding her been associated with Seunghan from riize so she could leave because she was the MOST popular and likeable member in the grp. She was also a trainee at Ador.
Hybe is the wrong here
The fact that the CEO publishes a statement signed "Ador" without consulting a lawyer (it is evident), says a lot about this woman's excessive power within the label, and how she is used to "what's mine is mine, what It's yours, it's mine."
Well said
14:00 lawyers involved
A lawyer was included? She said it in her statement?
Stan twitter never change with your dumb conspiratory takes
@@eikobae She made no mention of a lawyer.
i honestly think hybe has been side eyeing her since the first accusations in 2022 but they kept her cause the group had just debuted and well, business is business
but newjeans became a huge success in a short amount of time and min heejin got greedier and greedier, selling private informations was the nail in the coffin for hybe
ps: ador's statement was highly unprofessional, perhaps one of the most unprofessional (and embarrassing) statements i've seen in my life
THIS! I agree and those initial allegations were TRUE and the kept her anyway. She is ungrateful.
not trying to be rude but how do u know what hybe been thinking about her? i really wanna know where kpop fans come to conclusion like this
@@straykidswatcher-vq7xx its very simple.. She is from SM and worked with LSM before... MHJ is so SM coded that she is doing what LSM did before but now its against HYBE...HYBE as a whole dont trust her at all but grealy values her as a creative director so when founded ADOR, 100% of its share belongs to HYBE and only in 2023 that they GIFTED 18% of it to MHJ for Newjeans success..
@@blueraine21 i really didn't know about all that, if you don't mind me asking how do you know hybe dont trust her ? (im slow in processing things )and can u explain me more abt her and sm and can lsm ? thanks for informing me tho
@@straykidswatcher-vq7xxshe was with very shady business under sm (allegedly a pe*o) and as far as i know with her connection to sm they mean that they are known to backstab people (i would let others elaborate on this one)
Are the concepts passingly similar? Yes. Is it plagiarism? No.
This whole conversation is redundant anyway: Min Heejin is doing a bait and switch, diverting the public's attention away from her potential illegal business moves. And, sadly, it could actually work.
Please stop judging her!
All Korean fans support Min Hee-jin and New Jeans!!! We all need to work together to know the inside of the Hive!! Now the Hive is using artists to spread their religious ideas around the world!! Artists are also being hurt!!,To protect our artists and to protect the true art director, everyone should know! Please watch OMG's official music video comment! Not the performance version!,The problem is that their religious beliefs are not right! The bishop has a sexual harassment case! He worships witch hunting and worships bears! Bang Shihyuk is even trying to destroy Espa!,Just because he has a concept that doesn't fit his religious beliefs!! 4/30 is the witch burning day!! The Hive's shareholders' meeting is on that day! Maybe Min Hee Jin's life is in danger!!
@@user-86921bro from where are you coming those info are truly wrong and disapproved
this is actually so crazy... i wish the best for the njs and illit girls, i would hate for this to end like fiftyfifty 😢
So basically Super Shy is Newjeans disbandement song if they don't make it 😦
Oh my gosh, I wouldn't imagine Illit and NewJeans disbanding.
This is so sad I love both groups 😢
ILLIT would not most likely since it is in Belift. But Newjeans, maybe...
ILLIT should be the one to DISBAND HAHAHAHA. Your idols won't survive the KPOP WORLD because they are such a CRYBABIES. It's better for them to disband, rather than to end up like any other idol who ended their life.
this is literally min heejin we're talking about, she was even in SM entertainment (?) so she was known for being weird which is why people were worried for newjeans since day 1.
edit 1: I don't get why some of y'all are pressed LMFAO
Seriously. People forgot about her tween erotica artwork and Cookie? No normal person is into that.
@@HadassaMoon144 Honestly, hearing this news, I feel a teensy bit vindicated after insisting that that stuff was WEIRD and being shouted down by (a subset of) NJ fans who said I was just a hater or wanted NJ to fail because she's such a big part of their success. No, I am perfectly fine with acknowledging that she's a talented producer, but that doesn't change the fact that the woman was weird and is weird and I was worried for the underage girls you claim to love so much. Her moral compass has always been off and I'm hardly surprised that she got caught leaking artists' personal information for her own schemes. I feel sorry for NJ and Illit getting dragged into this, plus the trainees that she also victimized.
I wish that Hybe would have looked past the dollar signs in their eyes and listened to peoples' concerns about her before hiring her, but hopefully since she's affected their money now, they'll take her to court until her last penny.
Edit: Coming back later to add that, though I'm never gonna blindly trust Min Heejin, I don't automatically trust everything Hybe says either, for the reason above--they're interested in the money more than the right thing. They're only saying all of this now because their money is at risk. If they knew about her leaking info and stuff before this, they should have said something earlier, not only after she tried to loosen their control over NJ. Typical company behavior. We'll have to see how things unfold. Frankly, it seems to me that they've put out a lot of allegations that they have yet to substantiate. Maybe it will take a while for more evidence to come out in a legal battle. Or maybe this is just two selfish parties duking it out like a clown show, and using lies (or partial truths) in an effort to come out on top.
@@dubblebubbletoilandtrouble6646 Me too lol. I’ve thought of her as odd since the forcing Taemin/Minho topless underaged photos days but kept getting called a jealous hag by hube/bunnies bc my faves are washed up without her genius. But fr all the best to the two idol groups.
@@chuuu4610 Sounds like you knew about her weirdness even earlier than I did 😓 I remember hearing that Taemin was oversexualized as a minor but I didn't know she had anything to do with it. Wow. I'm glad that you were saying something about it.
Yes, same, I hope the best for Illit and NJ, and every other innocent person involved.
Lee Soo Man was a genius business man who controlled her. After 15 years of work, she couldn't ever touch a 1% of SM's shares 😂. Hybe is a big corporate but they're still just a young new firm, Bang Si Hyuk isn't as smart as Lee Soo Man who is way too experienced as well. They failed to foresee & control this dangerous woman.
"Nothing has been leaked" brother what? Enhypens phone numbers, her new boygroups trainee pics, illits member that left privat ig, jimins tax mail, taehyungs adress and a stalker entering his elevator, txts private schedules, kazuhas dating news etc.
Hybe is trying to put all the blame on Min Hee Jin to get rid of her. All these leaking stuffs could just be an excuse
garam and yongseou's departure, is it just a coincidence that hybe's new groups are losing members around their debut -- and their private internal records are leaked. i don;t think so..]
@@samanthahan1432 also the member that left illit happens to be a Former adore trainee, like huh
@@mahabubajannathashi1199 All these things that leak out indicate that there is a direction behind it. Hybe has no reason to get rid of MHJ, as she has created a huge group. It is MHJ who has every reason to try to get rid of Hybe and take over all the rights of NJ.
@@carolinesch. Garam too somehow trained or was under Hee Jin before going to source so..
Lets assume she was offended but that doesnt justify her illegal actions against the company like selling artists private information, damaging artists reputation etc. Is she trying to justify her criminal actions by a label allegedly plagiarising her creative endeavour. She even mentioned how she doesnt want ppl to associate other grps with NJs when NJs received so much attention in their early days as " BTS's junior group". This is nothing but hypocrisy.
i understand but you are just getting to comfortable with alleged articles what if this has been proven false ?
Hybe owns ador. Hybe paid for the launch of ador. Newjeans debute and comebacks. Phoning apps. They trained newjeans. Minji and hanni were source music trainee
@@straykidswatcher-vq7xx I agree but its slightly hard to take her seriously when she is been accused of jail crimes and then she puts out a statement saying illit copying NJs thing.
She had the most immature reply to this scenario as she used illit as a shield and there is a high likelihood they will get hate for that.
@Ava-xl2oq don't have to take her seriously just stick to the evidence as it's confirmed
she's offended for sure she only want newjeans on top, she dont want another group to clash with especially being on the same umbrella
Either way, MHJ is in BIG trouble. ADOR's statement is a lawyer's nightmare, and considering how ruthless HYBE's legal team is, it doesn't look good for her. She'll likely be blacklisted from the industry because no one will want to work with someone who's done something illegal against such a well-known entity. I'm not sure what will happen with NWJNS, they're all young girls, and easily impressionable, and with MHJ allegedly talking to their parents about this. MHJ has always left a foul taste in my mouth, especially with all her past accusations and the fact that she's so close to the NWJNS members, saying they're "family," is a HUGE red flag. Wishing the best for the girls, and hope this isn't another 5050 situation, as it was heartbreaking to see how greedy adults took advantage of those young girls.
Either way, a big legal storm is coming towards ADOR, and I hope that NWJNS can have a solid ground on what they choose to do because it's not looking pretty...
what illegal did she do?? nothing has proven so far.. take a chill pill.. dont fall for big corp. media play.. u guys are so easy .. stay neutral
HYBE IS THE THE ONE DOING ILLEGAL
@@dooh While working with SM she had done some questionable things and almost p@do esqu behavior towards young idols so she's not innocent in terms of character. While this is big corp. drama no one will be staying neutral especially considering it's HYBE
yes this! she was known for being weird even before having newjeans. i hope newjeans can continue to stay in hybe under a different label, especially since ador also had global auditions...i don't know how they will manage this
Its either NWJNS stays under HYBE, MHJ is kicked out, but NWJNS concept and style takes a hit or NWJNS follows MHJ out of HYBE and they're blacklisted. It's unfortunate that MHJ wants to risk these girls success.
this is so crazy, can’t wait to see how this plays out in the following weeks
🫧🍀 NewJeans is the only HYBE girl group that did not have a debut showcase
The demo that was criticized by Bang PD that day has now become one of the most successful debuts in Kpop history to date.
The debut was not allowed to promote in advance, but fortunately for some reason, Hyein suddenly came up with the idea to directly post the MV.
Did MHJ say in the press conference that he was banned from marketing for NewJeans? It is estimated that the showcase was also not approved.
The other groups all spent as much money as NewJeans, but they kept targeting only Nis to collect debt. They made a profit to cover 50 times the costs and still got scolded.
Everyone says that HYBE favored NewJeans to film MVs for all the songs in the album when they debuted, without knowing the truth that NewJeans filmed all those MVs with the money other people used to film one MV... (Money The capital that each HYBE sub-label receives when launching a new group is equal)
8. From the beginning everyone thought NewJeans was the princess of HYBE, but actually Nis was just
Cinderella
= In the end, what should belong to her will still be hers. Stepsisters will never be able to fit into Cinderella's glass slipper.
Please stop judging her!
All Korean fans support Min Hee-jin and New Jeans!!! We all need to work together to know the inside of the Hive!! Now the Hive is using artists to spread their religious ideas around the world!! Artists are also being hurt!!,To protect our artists and to protect the true art director, everyone should know! Please watch OMG's official music video comment! Not the performance version!,The problem is that their religious beliefs are not right! The bishop has a sexual harassment case! He worships witch hunting and worships bears! Bang Shihyuk is even trying to destroy Espa!,Just because he has a concept that doesn't fit his religious beliefs!! 4/30 is the witch burning day!! The Hive's shareholders' meeting is on that day! Maybe Min Hee Jin's life is in danger!!
Omg! More groups that have natural black hair? What has the world come to?
😔😔😔
How dare companies not fry and damage their artists hair 😣
Another group has 5 members (the most common number of members) 😭😭😭
@@user-im8kc6fz1jthis is even funnier when you know illit had the intention of debuting as a 6 member group
@@ambieve but somehow didn't huh... we can only wonder why. talentless copycats
"Min Hee Jin expressed disappointment because Illit were called NewJeans' dongsaeng group. She did not mention the fact that NewJeans were promoted as BTS dongsaeng group"
WOWW.......... what a hypocrite...!!!
A leech, only want to associate with bigger group so she can leverage profit
I’ve heard people saying that the only reason she’s upset is because ILLIT is beating newjeans
Please stop judging her!
All Korean fans support Min Hee-jin and New Jeans!!! We all need to work together to know the inside of the Hive!! Now the Hive is using artists to spread their religious ideas around the world!! Artists are also being hurt!!,To protect our artists and to protect the true art director, everyone should know! Please watch OMG's official music video comment! Not the performance version!,The problem is that their religious beliefs are not right! The bishop has a sexual harassment case! He worships witch hunting and worships bears! Bang Shihyuk is even trying to destroy Espa!,Just because he has a concept that doesn't fit his religious beliefs!! 4/30 is the witch burning day!! The Hive's shareholders' meeting is on that day! Maybe Min Hee Jin's life is in danger!!
@@user-86921 destroying aespa has nothing to do with religion. Like it or not, it’s a business move in a cutthroat industry.
I really am only concerned about these private infos of artists that’s allegedly leaked by her and the artists being abused if it’s true not all these diversion of attention to concepts. I just hope they’re fine
That's made up by HYBE to slander MHJ
Like im afraid they leaked the information to sasaeng
@@RaraFahira-fr5gnman if that happens, she’ll be in even more trouble. I want the victims to be safe bc we live in a crazy world
Please stop judging her!
All Korean fans support Min Hee-jin and New Jeans!!! We all need to work together to know the inside of the Hive!! Now the Hive is using artists to spread their religious ideas around the world!! Artists are also being hurt!!,To protect our artists and to protect the true art director, everyone should know! Please watch OMG's official music video comment! Not the performance version!,The problem is that their religious beliefs are not right! The bishop has a sexual harassment case! He worships witch hunting and worships bears! Bang Shihyuk is even trying to destroy Espa!,Just because he has a concept that doesn't fit his religious beliefs!! 4/30 is the witch burning day!! The Hive's shareholders' meeting is on that day! Maybe Min Hee Jin's life is in danger!!
That Heejin chick seems big headed to think that iLLiT is copying NWJNZ. There's similarities but its not a total copy. She doesn't own the y2k concept. She's ridiculous 🤔
Glad she left SM
HEAVILY inspired
you are getting comfortable with alleged articles
@@dunemae what is heavily inspired, lol? Any kpop gg not doing girl crush ends being blamed "heavily inspired by NJ" anyways? Innocent fairy looking concept is the same age with kpop. Remember oh my girl & Gfriend debut eras. Korean always loved that vibe.
This just proved she must love it everytime her army of psychotic bunnies cried “plagarism” every single time any Kpop group does anything lol. She is just fueling it now.
Hybe : u have done some serious illegal things . U need to leave
Min heejin : u copied my grp 😢
isnt newjns concept itself inpired from prev generations ? she doesnt own that style/concept tho...
Also Min Heejin: copying TXT
which is also serious and illegal lol bangpd was literally sabotaging one group that blew up so he could recreate his own version of them and profit more AND get the credit for their success. use your brain jfc
@NISHI121 how is it the same?
also min heejin promoting them:BTs sisters💀
Now she did an interview and called out Riize and tws for copying NJs. She is deranged and delusional at this point. It seems like she is trying to convince and manipulate public opinion by saying what the public can actually be convinced with.
NewJeans: Y2K
Illit: Kawaii/Cutecore
NewJeans: Wears baggy clothings and dark colors
Illit: Wear bright, rainbow, and pastel colored clothings. Also wear tutus
NewJeans: R&B, Hip-Hop
Illit: Lofi, Anime, Pluggnb (basically a soft version of Noise music)
Literally 2 different groups with different aesthetics. Now, just imagine NewJeans and Illit are currently going through the same direction as Fifty Fifty did.
Lmfao do you even know what R&B is 💀😭. New jeans songs are definitely not R&B please.
Oh, and not to mention this, it's MHJ *AND* HYBE'S fault at stake.
@Chinchim.22 Actually, if you listen to NewJeans' music, it is. Not only R&B, but HipHop, so yeah, go do your research, and search up "NewJeans music style," and see what genre that NewJeans produced. Thank you very much.
It goes way beyond that - all the business strategy beyond look and feel could have been copied. If so, she can be pissed. Doesn’t make her actions correct, but she can be pissed.
@@luzanacosta839 Doesn’t make her actions "legal".
I wonder if Seunghan from RIIZE was one of the victim of Min Hee Jin? Guys, remember the controversy of Seunghan and Soobin private video leaked! Then Youngseo was mentioned in the controversy with Haerin. And Youngseo suddenly left ILLIT! Idk but it’s kinda related in some ways! I mean MHJ obviously know Seunghan since she used to be SM creative director and may have known SM Rookies and Youngseo is ex Ador trainee!
Edit: Seunghan was ex Source Music trainee, friend with Soobin TXT & Youngseo former ILLIT!
And ofcourse youngseo almos debuted with new jeans but couldn't make it and also in I'llit couldn't make it it seems fishy ....her departure from the group is kinda a suss
@@pritam662Yeah True!
That explains how the call got leaked,idk about the haerin controversy tho
My question is how would she even have that kind of private info on idols to leak them? I could see her leaking info on new jeans since she's their CEO but riize?? Even if she had connections remaining at sm after she left how would she obtain this personal info on a newly debuted idol? If anything she would have dirt on the older sm idols she worked with like rv and shinee
@@anny8720 Seunghan was ex Source Music trainee, he is friend with Soobin TXT and Youngseo former ILLIT member!
The alleged fact that she released private documents about the girls of each group and foreign investors is crazy to me.
Allegedly. Understand that each side is trying to smear the other so truth may take a back seat.
@@scanspeak00right? everyone is this comment section are commenting as if everything alleged is true. we don’t even have solid proof. maybe wait until we do or more info comes out
@@scanspeak00girl no. That lady is fucking crazy. Do more research about it and you’ll see she seems to have a bad past. So the chances of her doing illegal stuff goes up
@@mimichyit’s so annoying. They just want to believe it’s true because 1. It involves BTS & 2. They hate her as it is
You'd better make sure your assertion "the fact that" doesn't land you into legal troubles with MNJ if she sees your comment.
its giving pr stunt as their album is going to drop next month 😭 girl yall get tricked by capitalist companies so easily🤡 mark my words when the single comes out the fans gonna be like oh even tho the girls went through so much they are so professional and strong 🥺
Haha most real statement here
Lowkey lmaooo
8:56 No... ILLIT was not compared to NJ before debut. Firstly, they were a SIX member group before they debuted with Youngseo leaving only a little bit before their debut. Now what I *do* find interesting is the fact that Youngseo was a trainee who had stuff leak out about her (including dating Seunghan who also was a Source trainee... hmm sus) AND there was also allegedly someone saying they'd leak information about her. I wonder if MHJ did this as a way to bring negative press to ILLIT prior to debuting as a way to sabotage the competition towards NJ?
but right now stay neutral or not bash both people since this is alleged sources
@@straykidswatcher-vq7xx I’m not bashing anyone.
Which Seunghan? Seunghan from Riize?
@@joycea.7332 Yes
"While Min Hee Jin likes empasizing Ador's independence, there are the facts:
• Hybe created Ador in 2021 with a capital funding of 16.1B
• She was appointed as a CEO of Ador by Hybe
• Hybe has control over Ador, not the other way around
• She owns 20% of Ador, Hybe owns 80%"
Well duh She was Given créative FREEDOM to make her own group. People would look for the next hybe group but Min Heejin made the concept and did the group. The same concept Hybe other company copied
The concept has been copied by many grouos so why attack only ILLIT???@@973yanou
@@973yanouwell duh, she got staffs and trainees from other labels under Hybe, she got money and Hybes fame through BTS. And she did a lot of payola and ads with that money she got. If she just debuted a group somewhere else with her creative ideas (if anyone gave her money and ressources in the first place), do we think her group would have had the same impact? I don't think so. She milked that company hard, then wanted to bit the had that fed her.
Please stop judging her!
All Korean fans support Min Hee-jin and New Jeans!!! We all need to work together to know the inside of the Hive!! Now the Hive is using artists to spread their religious ideas around the world!! Artists are also being hurt!!,To protect our artists and to protect the true art director, everyone should know! Please watch OMG's official music video comment! Not the performance version!,The problem is that their religious beliefs are not right! The bishop has a sexual harassment case! He worships witch hunting and worships bears! Bang Shihyuk is even trying to destroy Espa!,Just because he has a concept that doesn't fit his religious beliefs!! 4/30 is the witch burning day!! The Hive's shareholders' meeting is on that day! Maybe Min Hee Jin's life is in danger!!
@@user-86921this is not the point here. The point is she did illegal things and now she is trying to turn the table by saying that they copyed "her concept" like she created,
That lady just sounds Jealous and angry at the possibility of another group might excel with a concept that NJ don't even own... why's she panicking?? 😂 Don't she has enough confidence in NJ?
remember this is ALLEGED
Panicking because she’s been caught maybe
@@straykidswatcher-vq7xxthey literally made a whole statement.. it’s not “alleged”
Exactly like she is really jealous and threatened by Illit. She has mean girl vibes.
Lol she is scared that I'll it will take all of newjeans records
She damaged New Jeans more than what HYBE or BeLift allegedly did with that statement. No accusations from HYBE was answered by releasing a statement that ILLIT is copying New Jeans.
She does sound like she's out of her mind.
I hope they fire her or something but rlly don't want anything to happen to njs they're my favourite gg 😭😭
Koreans came to understand her after her radio apperance, that when she speaks of illit copying her, she NEVER meant that a group can't do Y2K, or have long hair, etc. - especially since most things these days are just being recycled - but for illit to copy almost everything from concept, hair, photoshoots, choreo, AND buisness functionality when you're in the SAME company in a short time frame is infuriating.
Imagine if YG debuted Babymonster a year after Blackpink. There's a reason why they waited 7 years.
ILLIT totally looks like a Walmart knockoff of New Jean
MHJ: Illit copied NJ
Also MHJ: So here are my plans to copy txt
hypocrisy at its best
MHJ: HYBE sabotaging NJs by creating internal competition is not right
HYBE: Well I guess I'm raiding your offices and making up lies about you
@@SpaceKarenMonkeyKiller tell me you do not understand the legal issue and reduce it to twt stan logic without telling me you do not understand the legal issue reduce it to twt stan logic.
There are 100+ groups in kpop and you guys want all have different concepts like seriously
You want kpop become AMAZON FOREST who has 10000 type of spieces and animals 😂😂😂😂😂😂
She should know this 😂😂
@@rrr9309 FR I AGREE
Please stop judging her!
All Korean fans support Min Hee-jin and New Jeans!!! We all need to work together to know the inside of the Hive!! Now the Hive is using artists to spread their religious ideas around the world!! Artists are also being hurt!!,To protect our artists and to protect the true art director, everyone should know! Please watch OMG's official music video comment! Not the performance version!,The problem is that their religious beliefs are not right! The bishop has a sexual harassment case! He worships witch hunting and worships bears! Bang Shihyuk is even trying to destroy Espa!,Just because he has a concept that doesn't fit his religious beliefs!! 4/30 is the witch burning day!! The Hive's shareholders' meeting is on that day! Maybe Min Hee Jin's life is in danger!!
When New Jeans debuted, it was talked about as being inspired by the Japanese idol group SPEED.
The music video for "ATTENTION" is similar to the music video for "BODY & SOUL" released in 1996.
she is just trying to sway public opinion with the plagiarism allegations and shield her crime with newjeans. another funnier thing in the statement she didnt want illit to be called younger group but whole newjeans identity was promoted as bts sister group
The statement coming from ADOR is unprofessional. She didn't respond to the issue at hand, and instead tries to get the public on her side by painting ILLIT in a bad light. While there have been similarities between both groups, they haven't been big enough to be plagiarisim. Either way, HYBE owns ADOR to 80%, while Min Hee Jin has close to 20%. Its very unprofessional and childish to put another groups name in your statement instead of talking about the issue which HYBE is bringing forward. Hope ILLIT and NWJS stay unaffected from this whole drama
The alarming thing is she allegedly leaked private info and tried to cause rumors about other Hybe artists which is a serious allegation.Also when did Ador copyright Y2k concept?🙄
Hope that both NJ and illit aren't affected by this.
Edit : Accused are considered innocent till proven guilty so it's wise to not jump into any conclusion for now.
I also think people shouldn't jump to conclusions as nothing has been proved yet.She should not be persecuted as some knets and fans can be harsh
The way that's worded could mean she sat down with outside attorney or other business professional and reviewed her records looking for a legal/legit reason to exit the business partnership. Something that normally would come with confidentiality or NDAs. It's worded to anger people.
nothing proven.. cmon.. dont be easy for big corp. media play!! stay neutral, turn your brain ON! uff u guys are so easy 🙄
@@dooh Definitely neutral until the truth comes out
hoping, ILLIT is affected by this so that they will realized that they will not survive the KPOP WORLD HAHAHAHA. They will just end their life just like any other idols who got depressed.
i’ve been seeing people spam illits and there parent company defending mhj, which is crazy btw, but i think some of nj fans feel the need to defend her because of fear of what will happen to nj. that women should not have the right to authority over that group, she’s a danger to there safety and privacy!! this is the same women who gaslit people during the cookie and eta scandals and pushed it under the rug!
i 100% understand you but NJS fans /ILIT fans / kpop fan in general shouldnt attack anyone and stay neutral what if this article is been proven false ? ift his article is true is up on you how you may want to react but saying bad things about her with what u have seen on the internet is not right , i'm not defending her neither i'm a fan of this groups but i hope you know where im coming from
I dont particularly care for min heejin, i heard a few rumors about her here and there and am aware of the fact people have been calling her weird since day 1 but I didn't really look into it
I won't defend her as a bunny, but I'm really scared of what is going to happen now, I'd hate to see them disband so early on in their career especially when they're doing so well
@@straykidswatcher-vq7xxsaying neutral is completely different from attacking illit and there company. if you don’t want to form an opinion on her yet that’s fine, even though there is plenty of reasons to not support her, but attacking and defending her is not staying neutral
Research the eta scandal for yourself without using twitter as a reference
@@tpaige5781i have! it’s ridiculous to think people are so stupid and can’t see what she is trying to do. it’s crazy to dickride this company and assume there innocents in this situation. to many things link up to assume it’s an accident
MHJ... I truly believe she was peeved about Ill-it's concept. But the stuff Hybe is accusing her of requires months of preparation, and she said previously that she didn't know of Illit's concept until they debuted. So I feel like her bringing up the NewJeans/Ill-it drama is to get the public on her side more than anything.
I also don't like how she's making it out to be that Belift used unfair media play for Ill-it as if most media surrounding NewJeans at debut didn't also call them "BTS's little sister group". AND! Her naming NewJeans when she called out about being upset about Illit's concept. She constantly tries to tie herself in with the girls like she's a 6th member, and it's not OK because it can compromise the member's individual careers just like the Fifty-Fifty fiasco. It's one thing for a CEO to say they're upset about plagiarism. It's another for an idol to do so! Imagine your labelmate calling you a copycat. Do what you want, but don't involve the idols.
Her bringing in the group names was a very smart way to get a fan war going, especially when ILLIT is already receiving so much backlash.
Additionally, I don’t think she’s mad about the concept exactly, she’s mad that ILLIT is breaking all of NewJeans records. But it’s easier to say concept because saying “I’m jealous” doesn’t sound so good
Hi everyone, I am Korean and I just wanted to say after reading all these comments. There is an updated interview/conference that heejin did. A lot of Koreans see this as someone who actually cares and is passionate about their artists vrs a big company AKA HYBE. (For example, it would be something like a one person vrs SAMSUNG or APPLE) I hope you guys get all the updated information and get the correct and accurate updates!
And? HYBE owns Ador. So….?
Even with that conference, I do not think that the western/international commentary will change their opinion on her unless you are leaning towards nj in the first place.
There is definitely a language barrier (I had to use auto sub) and a cultural barrier, that the western perspective would see this conference as a mess.
She could have very valid complaints and anger in her job situation, especially if I interpret the korean society not very positive toward women leaders (I recall seeing a male politician who denounced feminist and basic female rights, but that was a subbed clip).
However, given the western view of CEOs, her position as a CEO, her feelings definitely felt like a tool to gain sympathy and move the focus away from the accusations. That view is definitely amplified with her previous actions, her work with SM, particularly her passion to drive her visions without taking the fans concerns of minors seriously, and how she seems to embrace drama sparks to market NJ (shinee as yonger boyfriends for older women,9/11 in RV, NJ cookie and, and ETA). It does not help that 5050 drama recently happen and she has been very open about being super close to the girls (which is a very bad look to the western eyes. While it is good to have a positive relationship, it is always expected to keep a distance in case a bad person tries to imitate that relationship)
Definitely some people are just jumping behind the hybe because "if her previous actions don't have consequences, hopefully this event will bring all the rest to justice" or are just hate bandwagoning. There are many people who believe that Hybe has some sketchy stuff, (their failed gg in the past, the time when people called dispach concert a hostage concert).
I think she just has too big of a trail for anyone to support her comfortably. (Which is why you see people, I admit I am in this spot, baffled by comments that say translate to "I stand behind MHJ") Regardless of the results of court, she has too much of a negative view around her.
That was a lot, but I am reading in this for the situation and human reaction side. (Example I read into the Japanese drama of Nijisanji and Selen/dokibird situation - agency vs agent without being interested in vtubers)
If you are comfortable can you expand the korean side more? (You do not have to, it would be rude of me to expect you to have a full in depth analysis when I don't expect myself the same standard LOL) Just looking for more perspectives, I am relying on auto translate and "this forum/comments say this".
I need people to chill cause tbh y2k wasn't started by them. "other groups have started making newjeans like music" Pointing fingers at random groups as if cute concept never existed before. Can't believe the CEO is as childish as the fans
you do realise she doesn’t actually mean it though? She’s threatening hybe by saying this, leaking ador’ trainees private informations, including BELIFT Lab’s and BIGHIT. She just wants to be independent from hybe thinking that she’ll more popular she doesn’t give a shit about the concepts their not even alike besides S.E.S started the Y2K concept in Korean pop, NewJeans popularized it idk what’s wrong with toxic bunnies who can’t accept these facts
@@heartyi They are twelve years old.
@@heartyidid not know you were her interpreter
Some people try do hard to deny that "oh they don't own a concept" " they don't own clothes and makeup" but we can clearly see that they wanted to create a group so similar to Newjeans without it being a blatant copy
No denying that! I can see why she's upset. However, it's ultimately just a distraction from the literal crimes Hybe is accusing her of too. She knows this, and that's why she put it out first.
Right people decide to ignore that part!
Yeah. Not a fan of the group but I find reactions of k-pop fans pretty hypocritical. The same people who don't understand MHJ reasoning (not her action, just frustration with Hybe) are probably the same who are furious when their company schedule two groups closed comeback or when they decide to debut new group despite other is still pretty new on the market.
If MHJ had big plans for NJ, Hybe definitely make them harder by creating on the market group targeting similar audience.
Because nj doesn’t own or invented the y2k concept and fans need to stfu and leave illit alone
@@brennathecatlover4360it’s not about ILLIT but about Hybe. Grow up. It’s a well known fact that ADOR went against Hybe for all of newjeans’ debut concept. They told her that it wouldn’t work, that It was too plain, etc. Now that NJ worked out well; they use another subsidiary to create the exact same group? Come on this is so obvious.
People who criticize ILLIT themselves are dumb. I hope NJ and ILLIT members are healthy, happy, and can get out of this situation unscathed
I'm more surprised that Min Hee Jin thought the two girl groups were similar because... yeah, no duh. That's what happens when you're part of a conglomerate.
Like, I've always seen HYBE as Disney. HYBE owns smaller companies like how Disney owns smaller companies (ie; Pixar, Marvel, Fox, Star Wars, etc, etc, etc-). Now no doubt Pixar and Disney animation are different, but people still lump them together, or say they have that "Disney look" when it comes to the animation. Same with when Marvel has been failing with their recent movies, (like The Marvels, Ant-Man, etc.) and Disney animation has failed with the movie Wish, people have also lumped them together saying "Disney has been failing recently, they need to change things up/change CEO's-" yadda yadda yadda.
So inevitably, even though these groups are apart of different companies, they're still going to be compared and lumped together since they're all apart of a bigger company that owns them. Doesn't matter if you try hard to be different or operate different, you're still apart of a conglomerate that has higher ups that can make decisions on a whim for your company, because they own your company.
So even though people say NewJeans and ILLIT are different in ways, am I surprised others might see them as similar? No. Am I also surprised Min Hee Jin are comparing the two and saying HYBE copied her ideas? Also no. But that's what happens when a bigger company owns you. This is what you've signed up for.
Now, my own opinion is that I do wish for conglomerates to stop eating up smaller companies and owning everything. We don't need companies to yield THAT much power. Hurts us as consumers in the long run... but like, Min Hee Jin... Girl- C'mon now. Bffr. HYBE even helped you in the beginning. What did you expect? 💀
Capitalist's are gonna capitalize...
Hybe founded Ador.
Spot On.
Thank you for this!
This is literally the truth
MHJ read this
She really came out with a copying claim, while she's trying to create a bg thats a copied version of TXT.
She never copied Txt. NewJeans is far more superior in style, concept and music. Can’t compare lol. Stop dragging random names now.
@@mahabubajannathashi1199didn’t OP say bg.. as in boy group?
@@mahabubajannathashi1199 Your reading comprehension is ground level.
Wzit what do you mean she's creating a boy group just like TXT ???
@@mahabubajannathashi1199 n fact, txt's past concept trailer is similar to Newjeans Ditto. So there was a brief controversy at the time. But since it's the same company and it's all Hybe's property, there was no problem.
I'm kinda biased against Min HeeJin due to her very questionable interest and moves. A woman in her 40s putting naked teenagers body part photos around her office and making girls she calls her daughters sing a very suggestive songs (cookie) despite majority of them being minors. So I can see her manipulating media and leaking private informations about Hybe's artists. And her being against Hybe using NewJeans's name is very hypocritical as she once used BTS(A Hybe artist)'s name a lot. And her name dropping ILLIT's name in her statement is very unprofessional as she's intentionally painting a target on their back for hate. So yeah I wouldn't be surprised if it gets proved she did leaked infos.
Wait what? The photos? I didn’t know that, that is disgusting
The concept new jeans did isn't new at all. They just reintroduced it. Like y2k had been becoming influential in the west again. The first musician to start this trend was actually pinkpantheress, and slowly many other artists started getting inspired by her. The whole music industry is based on inspiration, like Tate McRae is inspired by Britney Spears, Olivia Rodrigo sampled many songs from 2000s for her Guts album which is punk rock genre while her lyricism is similar to Taylor Swift, the whole western music industry got inspired by lana del ray, her born to die album has been on billboard 200 charts for 500 weeks and is the second artist to do so. I find extremely similar inspiration of illit's music to new jeans music and concept, but the more I listen to super real me, the more different it sounds. Illit has a very dream core, childish concept. While newjeans has y2k, cutesy-teen-love vibes. Only similarity i find between illit and newjeans is they both have 5 members
Come on, we all know Illit literally copied NewJeans, if not, then why do they look the similar?
Kpop itself is just recycled western music. Claiming "copying" in kpop is hilarious when the entire industry is based off recycling western music
@@mahabubajannathashi1199what do you mean similar do new jeans have Japanese members do ILLIT have wasian members
And ILLIT was supposed to be 6 members but because of min heejin youngseo left the group
I disagree with the copying allegations like I really love both group’s concept. But i do think it’s really disrespectful to illit’s concept to keep crying plagarism bc i LOVE lucky girl sooo much. The whole song is about manifesting your dreams and it feels even deeper knowing those girls worked so hard to achieve them in RUNext. To me, this concept is so different than NJ. Like for crying out loud, OMG was set in a mental hospital. ETA had like a car crash or something crazy like that in their music video. Where in iLLit have you seen that????
LOL try to watch the dance moves. It's a COPY PASTE. ILLIT IS A COPYCAAAAT. HOPING MORE HATE TRAINS WILL COME THEIR WAAYYY
ADOR wanted to reap all the benefits of debuting a group under Hybe labels without acknowledgment that she’s part of Hybe
She recently was happy enough having Newjeans film an ETA tiktok with Jimin a member of BTS (arguably the biggest boy group in the world right now) because that benefits her group?????
They even film hype boy TikTok video with V bts
@@IsatuConteh-di9yhshe milked that shit and now she is not part of hybe ????
It's hard to figure out what's true behind the scenes. But the public statement from MHJ really reflects badly on her, in my opinion. She punches down at Illit, who certainly don't deserve to be attacked this way whatever happened with the producers. And she drags New Jeans in, portraying them as being on her side, which makes them look bad to anyone wanting to defend Illit. The whole statement seems to be about her own ego and ready to sacrifice others to support it.
Remember guys, when mhj left SM, red velvet came back with Psycho. Honestly newjeans wouldn't be this big if ador was independent. Any group hybe is debuting is just rocketing on charts and sales and that's common sense . The amount of hype, views and streams they get, is only found in other big3 companies now. The hybe privelege is real, mhj should stop pretending newjeans would have blown up like fifty fifty, because even fifty fifty didn't blow up immediately after they debuted, they had to wait until cupid started trending (and it didn't chart organically either), brave girls' rolling went viral after many years, so did exid's up and down (due to hanni fancam) and also weeekly's after school, also none of these groups are at the same level of fame and success as compared to the time when they blew up. They did well though for a nugu group. Hybe has the biggest kpop fandom by the name of armys, that one group made Hybe what it is today.
I agree with most of yourcomment however nj is very diff from the groups you've mentioned above bec thegroups you've mentioned had one time hits ( as in just one single song that did well) so it's basically they got their hands on a jackpot song luckily however newneans is extremely detailed-lymanjfactured right from their concept base styling sound and songs by themselves every song of theirs since debut has been a hit!
I just hope she does resign and mewneans still maintain themselves somehow idk I love them sm i cannot handle them disbanding or anything at any cost :')
I firmly believe Newjeans wouldn’t be as influential without Min Heejin. They would have no doubt got the popularity. But the sound image concept would have been different and without Min Heejin chances are we would have never got the sound that Newjeans does now because those are her ideas. They wouldn’t be the “blueprint” like they are now for girl groups in kpop but another HYBE group that siphons sounds and imagery from popular western acts. I don’t think HYBE could have got them to the level they are at right now in terms of influencing many girl groups to follow. Like who is trying to copy LE SSERAFIM? No one.
Stop involving SM in Hybe BS
Yeah the way Lesserafim's concept and imagery has progressed is quite messy. They had a clearer direction and sound during their debut, I'm saying this as someone who likes the group.
@@SBBunny93 totally agree
I am a Korean. Today, I watched the press conference of Min Hee Jin. It was astonishing!!! Personally, I want to raise my hand for Min Hee Jin. She is a genuine artist mistreated by Hybe and Bang Si Hyuk.
Actually can you say what is the actual answer to these questions that people have been asking??
A lot of people really just be Hybe Stans, like 2 things can be true at the same time,
remember when there was an article that called “illit; newjean’s sister…” when Illit debuted, everyone, AND I MEAN EVERYONE saw the resemblance of illit and newjeans, yes they’re not completely similar, but they’re very close in terms of sound, aesthetic, marketing and concept-wise.
and also BTW, “Newjeans didn’t invent Y2K” that’s not their concept, it’s more on girlhood nostalgia, they used the y2k aesthetic only for their NWJNS era but in Get up, it’s more on contemporary/western type of vibe,
Hybe told MHJN that nwjns’ concept was “too plain and it would not do good” but it did, and the momentum for newjeans had gotten bigger and bigger, and HYBE saw that success and tried to plagiarize it in a new group (again for the braindead people that love to comment, this is NOT a jab to the Illit members, this is more on their creative director and the company).
if i was told that my group would flop, only to succeed, and see the same people saying my group would’ve flop try to plagiarize my group’s concept after seeing it succeed, I’d be pissed too.
And lastly, Yes, I do think it was VERY unprofessional for MHJN’s part to do that to hybe, I dislike her too, but give credit where credit is due, yall can still dislike/hate her while still acknowledge that she’s very creative when it comes to newjean’s concept
Without HYBE money New Jeans would have been a nugu group.
Please MHJ claiming Hybe is copying her when she is LITERALLY searching for a Yeonjun for her new boygroup, trying to find similar boys to TXT (personalities, abilities, and all that) she wants to replicate TXT formula.
She need to be out of the company NOW!! Hitting your employes is already bad enough but sealing private info about idols and treinees?? That's ILLEGAL
When did she hit her employees?
@@vivid_blossoms there are physical evidence according to korean forums (the ones who have high credibility)
@@milii5675 oh… well then
Can you tell me more about this? I haven't heard of this news
@@theisshi9085 MHJ is the creative director of Ador ( NewJeans) thanks to Bang pd who made a big investment, he also give her source music staff which after that he gave them TXT's creative director (mostly all their staff) to Source music to debut a new group (LS). Now MHJ is acussing Hybe of copying her ideas for their groups (Illit, TWS, Riize (from sm) she also mention BTS was her idea (she used to work in SM many years)). When she actually has been copying TXT concepts also she was going to debut a boy group and was search trainees with a "TXT profile" (height, abilities, even physical appearance). Some forums with high credibility also say she hits her staff and that there are proof.
To put it simple, she has been planing to go independent with Ador since the beginning so she has been sealing and leaking private info of idols and trainees to make only her group look good. Right now the ceo of Hybe is basically telling to shut up
being this hard core of a stan for a CORPORATION is crazyyyyyyy yall dont need to deffend hybe
I knew this would happen honestly. HYBE is trying to monopolize kpop and if they’re gonna have sub labels and debut groups with similar concepts it’s bound to be messy. Not on Min Heejins side 100% but I get the frustration and I feel kinda bad for her ngl and I feel a lot of this is not genuine on the company’s part as well
ILLIT totally looks like a Walmart knockoff of New Jean
As a hag and someone who has historically been a fan of SM groups but not the staff… I find it just a liiiittle bit amusing that the “MHJ is a creepy woman” talking points are coming out of a lot of HYBE fans just months after they called all anti-MHJ talk “lies made by bitter SM stans” like 😂
We were side eyeing things she did like the time she forced Taemin and Minho to do topless pics they weren’t comfortable with + her creepy posters and obsession with teen Brooke Shields, and are saying that “Cookie” is exactly as creepy as all of us think it is. Her pseudo mom act with the NJs girls is also creepy.
The Y2k young concept has never been unique and she has always been hella shady.
Illit and NJ deserves none of the fall out. I hope fans smartly keep the shade to the companies/adults running the companies.
Also Min Heejin really saw the Fifty Fifty situation and thought- I can do this and win 😋
The way stans were talking to tell me I was crazy for calling out the woman romanticizing terror1sm In rv happiness mv. All this time the info has been in the open and her rap sheet was extensive, but people didn’t care bc they had already made their decision.
not siding with any of them, but this is a big karma to that monstrous company. let's be real ILLIT is literally just another NEWJEANS. that group shouldn't have debuted with the same concept. they created this problem, now both groups will suffer the effects of their greed.
and I'm here for it
But they debuted with a soft, aesthetic and lofi vibes and NJ with fresh and youthful vibes so I don't get it how they are copying NJ
@@swagatikamohapatra don't fool yourself. if you don't know ILLIT and you listen to their song blindly, you'll think it's a NEWJEANS song.
NewJeans will be making their comeback with double singles on May 24th and June 21st.
May 24th:
1. How Sweet
2. Bubble Gum
June 21st:
1. Supernatural
2. Right Now
I think min heejin is right to be upset. I was always confused by hybes strategy of putting out new groups with somewhat similar concepts/demographics back to back, when most companies would wait at least 4 years before debuting another girl/boy group after already debuting one. I think hybe is kind of like the “fast fashion” of kpop, or it’s at least speeding up the cycle of churning out new idol groups making old ones seem replaceable. Min Heejin clearly does not want that to happen to New Jeans and I respect that.
imagine you were invited to make a new gg with the promise that you have full cooperation and creative decision but then the company hired other trainees behind your back and force you to include them in your gg lineup. when you disagree to this the company starts to belittle and sabotage your project, used your name to promote their new gg without your permission, pushing back your gg's debut date when your gg was supposed to debut 1st and then refusing to properly promote when your gg debuted. and when your gg becomes more successful than the 1st gg, your company then makes a new gg and plagiarized all your gg's aesthetics and concept just to show you that they can and make that new gg a direct competition to your own gg that you have worked hard to build up. then when you formally file an internal complain against the plagiarism, the company starts a public smearing campaign against you literally days before your gg is scheduled to make a comeback if that doesn't spell SABOTAGE i don't know what is! if i were MHJ i would be really pissed too.
I truly am starting to believe that Hybe girl groups are cursed. Because all the controversy surrounding all of them is nuts. The only one that seems to be safe is Fromis9 😂
Well… they got the rigging controversy. All of the members were given agreements before their show and several girls who actually made it through fair votes were cut.
At least the real first place finisher of the show is successful and Kiss of Life’s director now.
To be fair tho the rigging had nothing to do with HYBE.
Fromis 9 lost a member… soooo that counts..
@bbi2.052 Dang. Then that means no girl groups are safe in that place. Every female needs to get the heck up out there. That place is truly cursed🤣
Fromis9 is lowkey in hybes basement though I kinda feel like the company kinda forgets about them which is kinda sad
she not wrong lol she is right about illit being a new jeans dupe meaning that they copied the y2k and made there own y3k futuristic version of new jeans
I mean.. ILLIT concept photo are extremely similar to newjeans concept photo are just insane, sometimes i didn't realize that the photo im looking are illit and not newjeans, how is that not inspired? And for their music style, SUPER REAL ME can be newjeans EP an no one will realize that its actually belong to another group, i mean im not try to defend MHJ for all the bad thing she did, but its actualy not fine for just making heavily imspired group under a totaly different company
thanks for the update and the explaination, hope you will keep updating us. feel like things can get really messy really soon. i mostly just feel so incredibly sad and sorry for newjeans and illit, they must be feeling horrible. i hope they get taken good care off.
nah, i hope the girls all realise what MHJ is doing rn. This is exactly why Youngsseo left ILLIT, not bc of the final lineup but bcs of MHJ. She trained with all of NewJeans and Mhj knew all her private stuff and wanted to leak it allong with the other trainees. She left so she could be safe
Honestly after Illit has debuted and done a good amt of stages, I see the differences in concepts now. MHJ is kind of dumb for fueling this fire again bc ppl stopped comparing Illit to NewJeans like two weeks ago at this point and most people got over it. Like Illit’s songs Lucky Girl and Magnetic have a TOTALLY different concept and vibe than ETA and OMG. the parts that ARE similar such as natural black hair and y2k styling, MHJ does not own this and she cannot stop companies from realizing that is what is in right now. Yes she started this trend, but gatekeeping it and being like “youre all plagiarizing me” is honestly really childish and makes me lose respect for her artistic creativity if she thinks she can own a concept or culture. Do you see BlackPink’s label or CEO crying about any girl crush group that came after plagiarizing them? It is so unprofessional and as a CEO she needs to be more tactful bc its only ganna hurt NewJeans in the end.
MHJ has committed crimes and will be prosecuted.
MHJ did NOT found ADOR. HYBE did then she was placed as CEO. That's why they can own 80% of it. It's their company that they founded. Please don't spread misinformation.
But she created new jeans tho😳
whether you like this witch or not, it is inevitable not to agree that she told some good truths about HYBE...
Im mean Belift and hybe quite literally rigged the survival show of illit so them copying new jeans is not much of shock news
but im not about to side with min hee jin either cause shes just as bad as them
@@mariri725 And don't make start about the lack of creativity that belieft, bighit and source has been going through... Since 2020 is all about what's trending on TikTok or entering the billboard's charts 🎗️ I wish their groups had some kinda of control about what they release.
bighit have BTS and TXT .everybody thinks that txt started their training seeing bts growth but bts members itself acknowledged that bh trainess that time did not even have proper infrastructure .to think netz hated txt just bcz they debuted under BH was just crazy .also the last member to join txt had 2 years of training
I don’t really see the similarities between illit and new jeans, the music style and concepts are completely different.😭
MHJ does not have the best credibility, but I do not trust hybe. Hybe is not good for kpop overall long-term. This is typical big corporation media play by hybe. I'm gonna try to reserve judgment until more information/facts are released.
This right here
I understand somewhat a comparison in music (despite it being different genres) but even down to style? for example, I could never see any NewJeans member wear what Moka has been wearing for stages. The vibe is completely different, and more coquette.
I'm so tired of everyone saying illit copied nwjns.
newjeans didn't invent long black hair, newjeans didn't invent school uniforms or whatever, newjeans didnt invent the fresh concept, newjeans didn't invent a certain type of video, newjeans didn't invent y2k. just because a song gives you a similar vibe to a different group does not mean it was a copy.
what are they gonna do copyright long black hair? the only time id even consider kpoppies saying something is copied, is if the song is legitimately a straight up copy, illit's album is much closer to TripleS then Newjeans
Nothing have been proven stay neutral
@@straykidswatcher-vq7xx I'll edit up my comment, ty
Min Heejin is definitely not wrong about HYBE being money hungry as we’ve seen these past couple years but saying Illit is a complete copy of Newjeans is a bit of a stretch. I understand where’s shes coming from since she feels like her work is being ripped off but the way she’s going about it doesn’t make her look better but rather kinda immature. Also in a situation like this I feel like we all need to stay neutral instead of immediately jumping on Min Heejin or HYBE since neither parties look good right now in my opinion.
When it comes to HYBE accusing mhj of selling idols private info I’m a still little skeptical about it cause that can easily be a marketing move to get her to step down as CEO as said before I’m one of the responses but also I wouldn’t be 100% shocked if it came out that she did do it. (Edit : I have taken some character development and I definitely believe MHJ has had some part in private info being leaked about HYBE idols as well as being a complete weirdo ever since njs debut with cookie and her response to it at the end of the OMG mv I always felt something was off with her I just didn’t think to much of it cause no one else did but now I’m definitely not gonna defend her in anyway shape or form cause she is a creep and a extremely immature adult)
girl she was searching for trainess similar to TXT (height, talent, abilities, etc) and debut them with "something complety different". She is copying others too...
Honestly, HYBE might be very money hungry, and that’s a debate for another time, but imagine creating a group that could not have debuted without HYBE’s help and then doing this to them?
That’s biting the hand that feeds her, and that’s just nasty
I do not remain neutral in the face of crimes.
@@seulgivcat Hybe has no reason to get rid of MHJ.
I am Korean, and because I used a translator, it might sound a bit awkward.
Currently, amidst controversy over HYBE allegedly believing in a cult, Newjeans' OMG music video has become a significant topic of discussion. During a press conference, a text message from BANG to MHJ, asking, "Are you enjoying this?" (during OMG promotions), became notable. While the exact translation of the message is uncertain, in the Korean context, it can be understood as sarcastically saying, "Are you laughing now?" or "Is this amusing?" The reason this message became a topic of discussion is because it was revealed that the OMG music video criticizes the cult HYBE believes in. (It is advisable to directly check the comments on Newjeans' OMG music video.)
Additionally, controversy arose over claims that LE SSERAFIM's agency forced the former girl group GFRIEND to sing a witch concept song before disbanding them. Despite most GFRIEND members being Christian, HYBE's alleged cult beliefs led them to make the members sing a witch's song and disband them. Following this, LE SSERAFIM, with an angel concept, was promoted. Moreover, it's reported that most GFRIEND members were unaware of their disbandment until it was publicly announced. With the revelation of HYBE's cult involvement, Korean K-pop fans have been greatly shocked, yet there hasn't been a single article on major Korean portals, indicating media control by HYBE. Additionally, while the supply of such information is rapid in Korea, it's slower abroad, and foreign opinions may be influenced by HYBE's manipulation, making it difficult for non-Koreans or those not fluent in Korean to fully accept the information spreading in Korea as is. This manipulation could lead to malicious translation by HYBE. Including BTS and ENHYPEN, most of HYBE's idol groups have also faced suspicions of involvement with such cults, leaving Korean K-pop fans in a state of great confusion. In this situation, MHJ's actions, struggling to protect Newjeans, have been revealed, earning her positive public opinion. (As there's a strong possibility of being killed by the influential cult and staged as a suicide, she stated during the press conference, "I will not commit suicide.")
Im a korean and this is 100% true…
Plz whether you are Newjeans fan or not, this is just so wrong.
I hope people around the world know about these detailed info and protest together.
Thanks for the balanced reporting. There were so many dubious rumors going around this morning that it was hard to find good sources and the truth
Her statements from ADOR did nothing to address her accusations but rather deflect. The fact that as a grown ass woman she decided to play into a Kpop stan war narrative that could be detrimental for either groups was so unwise.
Especially since newjeans heavily benefited from the same marketing tatic with bts in their debut year. Her statement comes off as both ironic and hypocritical.
Let's just hope this doesn’t end badly for newjeans or illit, though I highly doubt both groups can walk from this unscathed
I thought we all knew hybe wanted their own newjeans and are we forgetting hybe had no confidence in newjeans they thought it was going to be a plain and boring debut but when they saw the popularity it brought to the girls ofc they would want one of their own to control cause by the looks of it hybe don’t really have much say in newjeans music but sadly it all comes down to greed from both ceo and hybe
Hybe owns 80% of Ador and NJ. It's MHJ who would like to control NJ, while she's now just a salaried CEO.
Hybe used to own 100% of Ador as Ador was founded by Hybe and Hybe placed MHJ as the CEO of the new label they created.
It’s look like you’re nose is bigger than you’re knowledge
@@poppies3752 so I can’t have an opinion on smt?? I only stated what ik everyone that replied was nice and kind but you want to be a fucking asshole so fuck you
its her jealousy who’s speaking not her sane mind. I mean cmon we all know how much illit achieved in such a short span not to mention when people had little to no hope with their success but BeLift literally made ILLIT the most successful 5th Gen gg when most of the groups r struggling to get a tad bit of attention.
Not to mention, min hee jin already started backstabbing HYBE even before BeLift wanted to make a new gg. So bringing Illit into her statements is just like coincidence and she got lucky there. But MHJ was already infamous for being arrogant and selfish. She literally gave back to back interviews about how HYBE doesn’t hold any credibility in nwjns which I will accept to some extent but not when u think no other group would get inspired and make something similar to ur concept. Given fact is Hybe was already watching Ador so closely bcuz the way MHJ kept bringing SM employees to Ador.
A rumor is also that MHJ never wanted nwjns to be associated with any of the hybe idols, not even bts. Even the ex SM employees have said that MHJ was kinda crazy back in the SM days. That she was rude and arrogant.
Well the thing is, she did some illegal work. U cannot just share ur parent company’s info with others and cannot just separate from them without giving a prior notice. She obviously gonna face consequences for it. And the whole illit copying her concept obviously holds no ground there.
Ador cannot separate from Hybe because Hybe owns 80% of Ador.
Illit success is due to HYBE influences, there is no way a group that can sing by any chance is popular. LE SSERAFIM + ILLIT I'm looking at you. People don't care about how they sing at all, delusionals at best. Might as well use AI voice for everything instead.
Stop comparing Copycats with NewJeans
this are alleged articles don't get comfortable
@@mahabubajannathashi1199 they are not copycats I'LL-IT is like more of a dreamcore and lofi vibes while NJ is fresh and youthful vibes so here none of the grps are bad and don't even hate I'LL-IT if u don't like them then don't talk abt them
she is literally being greedy, without hybe, nj will lose on a lot of things. She should be punished and i hope girls dont get damage bcoz of their greedy ceo. ILLIt concept is literally cute concept dreamy, songs are also diff as compared to nj. nj has catchy beats.
Don’t compare copycats with NewJeans
ty for the recap i was so confused 😭
Her claims of plagiarism is kinda weak. One can be inspired by a concept Not own it. Njs concept was refreshing in a sea of girl crush but nothing unique and she didn't invent it. Still, I understand why she feel vindictive over similarities with ILLIT.
Poor ILLIT, they must have the best and worst debut. I feel bad for them. They didn't choose the creative format their group would take and was a convenient excuse for MHJ. Also, ir's a tough spot for New Jeans. Both groups are being used as weapon in the power struggle. This will have a significant impact on their comeback. If that would still happen
I don’t like min heejin but I agree here. If a group is so similar to another that people are getting confused and mixing them up, there’s an issue. No NWJNS didn’t invent the concept and sound before anyone comes for me, however they popularised it within kpop. ILLIT deserve better as well given they worked their asses off just to be labelled “NWJNS 2.0”
As a CEO she shouldn’t have named dropped them like that she knows that the ones that will receive the hate will be the actually girls in the group, wether she’s right or not… it’s very unprofessional Hybe needs to get a handle on their affairs
I think it is simply uncomfortable that hybe is capitalizing on newjeans popularity for Illit specifically bc they are way too similar. like you cannot say any other Hybe group is similar to any other hybe group.
It’s not about copying a concept it’s about the same company copying their own group
It is not a crime, but industrial espionage is a crime.
I’m scared of what will happen to NewJeans. Yes they are crazy popular but if their idea creator is gone where will they be able to go?
They are already talking around about dissolution, because the crimes committed by MHJ are serious and the NJ are closely linked to MHJ.
I honestly just want a newjeans album and Illit comeback to have more songs for my playlist :')
Right?
Omg sameee :)
Literally
based off of everything, I am seeing, and I’m not a fan of the groups involved....
It really does seem weird that when accused of something illegal, she tries to imply that it’s something else. At the end of the day, I have been really tired of everything being “they’re copying NewJeans“ for the past several months. To the point that the fact that Riize had their music video in a freaking school meant they were copying NewJeans, despite the fact that I very distinctly remember watching music videos with Britney Spears in a school in the 90s.
At the same time, both sides can be correct and telling at least a part of the truth/whole story. She could’ve been doing something illegal while running the company, and they could be blatantly copying. However, even if the parent company is blatantly, ripping off another theme, the answer is not to perform legal acts . The answer is to focus all of your strength on your group and making them succeed.
I do think that the PR that she is putting out on her own right now is not good. I almost don’t believe that a PR team or lawyer had a good look at that statement before it went out. And despite them being a huge company, i’ve seen some things recently in a completely different community that led to an implosion where statements were made without lawyers having a chance to approve it.
And she really does come across as a hypocrite for not wanting other groups to take advantage of something that she’s already taken advantage of.
right now, this is all in the court of public opinion, and as best I can tell there is no winning side. We will have to wait for the audit and or legal for seedings to get moving before we have any idea what’s actually going on. I do wish the best for both of the groups because (and those that just have day jobs at the comp companies and question), there are some of the ones that are going to be affected the most.
The fact that the CEO publishes a statement signed "Ador" without consulting a lawyer (it is evident), says a lot about this woman's excessive power within the label, and how she is used to "what's mine is mine, what It's yours, it's mine."
Just imagine what will happen to ADOR after 5-6 years when the girls are older and Y2K is not the trend anymore 😵
Most Korean idols look young for a good amount of time thanks to either genetics and/or ps & skincare and for Koreans 22-25 aren’t old ages to be doing cute or youthful concepts. Twice has been doing cute concepts for a long time. Korean GP prioritizes youth over many things so they don’t have a problem seeing young adults act or dress like teenagers. NJ has acquired a good amount of success and they can move on to different concepts like many other groups have successfully done. I don’t think neither of those things you said will be a problem
@@mimi_imfat if young adults or late twenties pretending to be Teenagers were accepted well in korea then all these agencies wouldn't be desperate to debut minors. Also twice hasn't been doing cute concepts for a few years now. And even if the general public did still prefer to stan NJ even when they are not rookies anymore, the concern will be MHJ who is notoriously known to only like young people, like the youngest possible ever. Any groups she ever worked with she'd say that the youngest member is her muse. In fx she said Krystal, in shinee she said taemin and in NJ she said it was haein or haerin whatever that youngest girl's name is. She'll be the 1st one to lose interest in NJ when they don't look young or minor like
Bro. This is just kpop being kpop. There are tons of concepts that were popularized by certain groups that became trendy. Blackpink brought back girl crush to the mainstream after 2NE1, and now tons of groups use girl crush as a main concept like Babymonster, Everglow, etc. Twice killed the cute concept but Girls Gen ate it too. Red Velvet had weird, bubblegum pop concept but so did Orange Caramel, Crayon Pop, and IOI. Y2K is in. NewJeans might have decided to make it their concept, but other groups will too. Sorry, they aren’t special in that regard. Kpop is like regular pop music. Trendy songs and styles emerge and make waves and then new things come too. Illit didn’t do anything wrong and NewJeans did nothing wrong. I hope both groups can emerge from this gracefully and, honestly, MHJ and HYBE have strong egos so I don’t see any of this going well unless. If MHJ did the stuff HYBE said, she should be punished but HYBE has been the type to have an “any publicity is good publicity” mantra since BTS got successful.
I mean I kinda suspected something was up when newjeans were one of the only hybe idols who didn't participate in any tiktoks with illit, I worry for the futures of both groups more than anything. The funniest part to me is her saying she doesn't want illit being associated with newjeans in any way but was completely fine with media referring to newjeans as "bts little sister group" when they debuted, it's like when her group debuted and saw massive success she became greedy.
I think a way to understand Hyde’s relationship with their sub labels is to think of HYBE as one big house. In that house you have different rooms. One room is called Bighit another Ador, KOZ, Source and Pledis and so on. In those rooms you have some beds (e.g. in big hits room you have one bed called BTS another called txt a single bed called Lee hyun and a broken bed called glam).
To be specific I believe HYBE recently bought all the rights for Enhypen so I’m not entirely sure if they’re still in the room called belift or just wandering around the HYBE hallways?
Another more specific example is Katseye, they’re produced by both HYBE and geffen records but geffen records is not a subsidiary label of HYBE so think of it as two houses (HYBE and GEFFEN/UMG) but with a garden that connects the two houses in the back.
That’s how I think of it! Please correct me if I’m wrong or this needs tweaking.
A DOR is under HYBE composers of New Jeans songs are the same composer producer of Illit. Choreographer Director of New Jeans is the same Choreographer director of Illit.
No hate to anyone, but She did copy the Japanese girl group speed from the album cover to the mv
Ador was using HYBE for financial support. If NJ didn't get popular, she wouldn't be doing this. Greed is everything. She is using plagiarism excuse because that's something people will fall for it.
We need to show so much love to illit they have been getting hate ever since day one let the girls be like wtf. I love new jeans so if the “ look similar” Idgaf I like the same shit
Maybe I'm the crazy one but I genuinely don't think Illit and New Jeans are that similar. I'm a fan of both. One thing that I like about New Jeans is that I don't really know what I'm going to get from them. I just look forward to being pleasantly surprised. For example, off their latest album, "Super Shy", "Cool With You", "Get Up" sound completely different. Off their first album, "Hype Boy", "Cookie", and "Hurt" sound completely different. "Ditto" sounded so different. Their collaboration with LoL, "Gods", was a new sound. They have more of a "shotgun blast" approach and cover more of a variety of genres (which I enjoy), whereas Illit's album sounds more focused and has a consistent style and feel (which I also enjoy). Saying another 5 member (which was originally supposed to be 6) girl group with straight hair is copying you, is a bit of a stretch. MHJ's statement, to me, sounds like she is trying to piggy back off of already present online discourse (the similarities of New Jeans and Illit) in an attempt to gain favor in the "court of public opinion" because, if what HYBE is claiming is true, I believe MHJ will lose in the court of law. But this whole situation wreaks of the Fifty Fifty situation. I know it's early and there is more info that needs to come out, but it seems like a problem that was completely avoidable if parties involved didn't get greedy. HYBE has so many great groups under their umbrella and they could just keep "lifting as they climb" and promoting each other in a way that everyone can win, so long as someone doesn't make a mess. We now have a mess.
Me too
They're not the same. They just give similar vibes and imo mostly in aesthetics and choreo and maybe singing style but they still are different
Their debut songs are about a loving a boy, attention and also magnetic
I just wanna know what type of girl group would she debut next cause no way will there be no similarities at all to New Jeans
Nah she’s gonna be blacklisted 🙏 Hungry ass p@do trying to take advantage of 15-20 year old girls who just wanted to enjoy their life as an idol
I have a very bad feeling that newjeans would be dragged into this mess cause according to the statement from ADOR, they said they discussed this with their lawyers and newjeans themselves and they agreed to it!!!!!.. this is 5050 case all over again.
I think she just pressured them, maybe trying to blackmail like releasing private information. So what should the girls do? Her plan was busted, she has nowhere to go, apart from jail maybe. Hope Hybe can protect the girls from her, because she's nuts.