Is God an illusion | Sean Carroll and Lex Fridman
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Guest bio: Sean Carroll is a theoretical physicist, author, and host of Mindscape podcast.
Although there is many forms of spirituality, there is only two religions. Scientific Theism the truth of truths that the Infinite Dimensional Point Of Infinite Raw Potential (God) literally and actually writes upon everything, everywhere and every when to prove so. The other religion is our awesome lies about such excellence. The illusions are our lies about Truth we do not fully comprehend and possibly never will.
I'm not sure a mechanistic understanding of the universe would have inspired primitive people of antiquity. Belief can inspire groups of people to suffer through things and accomplish things that wouldn't be possible otherwise.
Very good point
You must do an interview with Richard Dawkins
He already has....April 2020.
That’s why it’s god-like. “-like”
This is all I need at 5am 😂
I wish I knew.
Amen brother 😎
It's a hologram inside holograms inside bigger holograms and so on
Inception movie 🍿 yo
@@kelsey_roy Much older than that, Waking Life and Monroe Institute 💠
how do you know?
@@yonaoisme I have seen a glimpse
@@zenith7498 how would you explain to anyone that you are not lying?
Lexx: "Is God real?"
Shawn: "Nope."
Lexx: "How do you know?"
Shawn: "Because I just do."
Lexx:
It NEVER ceases to amaze me how some spiritual nobodies like Shawn completely caught up in their own dead mind fantasize that they had just ANYTHING to say about GOD.
It's like asking the owner of a liquor store about therapy treatment to become sober....just not exactly their business & their credentials.....
Ask the real deal Saints & Sages and/or call out to GOD to reveal himself directly to you in a sincere & most essential way because you TRULY have to know just to bear witness to the omnipresent brokenness of Humanity and survive it......
Beyond a shadow of a doubt there ARE these still rather rare souls that directly experienced the Reality of God aka the Supreme Source of Consciousness apart from just questionable religious beliefs, indoctrination & dogmas, second hearsay speculation or puffed up display of ignorance to "justify" the abuse of one's own corrupt Ego.....
You: "God is real."
Also You: "Shawn."
Me: "God is made up."
Also Me: "It's Sean."
the theory of god explains nothing.
There’s a saying by Kurt Vonnegut that goes Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly;
Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?'
Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land;
Man got to tell himself he understand. I think that humans think that there is a reason for everything that happens when really it’s just the way our brains are formed that makes us want to try and understand every question which is why most religious people say they know the answer instead of suspending judgement or accepting we don’t know right now.
I'm pretty sure religion is man made. We made God in our image. Not the other way around. But this was a goody video
We made god in our image but that does not mean that god does not exist
@wojciechgawalkiewicz7174 sure. But I don't believe in things bc I lack evidence that it doesn't exist. I believe in things bc there are evidence of their existence. Proof that they exist or existed at some point. Why do you see it the other way around?
@@saudielbamber4227 do not understand question other way round what? I mean there are different ways of knowlege Kant argued that we can only have knowledge of things we can experience. Accordingly, in answer to the question, “What can I know?” Kant replies that we can know the natural, observable world, but we cannot, however, have answers to many of the deepest questions of metaphysics
@wojciechgawalkiewicz7174 except we can. Scientists work tirelessly day and night to explain the hard parts that are hard to observe. You have to understand kant lived in a time before nuclear reactors and super advanced technology. He would think differently if he were alive today.
@@saudielbamber4227 no we can not science is just a measurement of what we rational human being can explain but this has nothing to do with how the universe was created lets say out of nothing how nothingness was ccreated and god is not only about knowledge but things beyond it. Metaphysics is not about knowledge. You can know everything knowledge- based about universe and still no nothing actually about it Whenever I want to learn and understand something, I leave my so-called reason at home and give whatever it is that I am trying to understand the benefit of the doubt. I have learned this gradually; because nowadays the world of science is full of scary examples of the opposite.” ~Carl Jung; Red Book
God is illusion
وفي انفسكم افلا تنظرون
@@kyzen4141 خرافة الله ، أين الله من فقر و تخلف مسلمين ؟؟
Sounds like a confession a faith to me--unless Carroll can prove God doesn't exist. Agnosticism is more intellectually defensible. The same group of people will assure us there are multiple universes for which they have no evidence.
atheism jsut means that you're not a troglodyte who thinks that the existence of god makes any sense whatsoever
@@yonaoisme Atheism just means you are making assertions you can't prove, just like the people of faith.
@@vintagetrikesandquads4012 no. atheism i just the lack of belief in any god. do you assert that zeus doesn't exist? or do you merely lack the belief in his existence?
Delusion, not illusion
This.
Interconnectedness is a misnomer, the whole is a single object. The stumbling block is belief in 'human exceptionalism' (pride/'free-will').
PS: just because Sam Harris is right about fate doesn't mean he isn't a company man.
The entire universe would be the first and only example of something that originated from nothing. Everything must have an origin, a creator. We just spontaneously appeared from a black hole… and with such intricacies!
But if EVERYTHING has an origin, where does the origin come from?
@@ElectricIguana God is infinite. He is the creator. Anyone who seeks God with a humble heart finds Him. I would recommend trying to open yourself up to the possibility that there is a benevolent God who loves you and ask Him to reveal Himself to you. He will. Try. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
talking about the nature of relationship
if God loves everybody and wishes to have an open relationship with everybody
then he should at least make an attempt to remove the most basic obstacle to relationship
why does God keep hiding from the public eyes?
obviously not really knowing that you're exist, is a blindingly obvious obstacle to any relationship in life
unless you know for sure about the existence of somebody, you can never have any relationship with anybody can't you?
@@christinelivebirdI am a non-resistant non-believer. In fact, I WANT to believe in god. But I can’t. How do you (and god) account for people like me?
@@christinelivebird
Which version of god?
Not much on reasoning...horrid answer...😂
if you don't give this answer as a scientist you get pushed on the side ...
He’s saying humans invented the concept of “god” which is true. There’s a poem by Kurt Vonnegut that goes Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly;
Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?'
Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land;
Man got to tell himself he understand. Our need for understanding is what led people to believe in religion because humans tend to think there is a reason for everything when that’s not the case.
@@Dawg476 why not i think we will never know exactly i mean you can't explain exactly why we invent god or why we want to live (survive) and its valid to say because it's something like god outhere.
@@jaimegarduno50 I think it’s fine to believe in it but my problem with religious people is they vote people in that want to demonize science and say screw freedom from religion. They want to teach creationism in school which we know with 100% certainty that the universe is older than 6000 years old, Adam and Eve couldn’t possibly have existed, Noah’s flood never happened ect but they want to teach stuff like this to children which imo is just deceiving them. The forefathers literally created America so that they could stop killing each other over whose god gets to rule or even what interpretation is right. But at the end of the day nobody knows and Religion shouldn’t rule the country because that’s when we become like fundamentalists. If everyone said I don’t know but I think (insert belief) the world would work a lot better but from a lot of the religious people I know they say it as if it’s a fact which just ain’t it.
you're just mad that you lived your entire life believing in a malevolent lie
People need to believe in something that will help them go through difficult times so guess what " HELLO GOD " or " HELLO GOD's " weak mind in trouble seeks hope ... I also find myself when shit is pretty rough say to myself well I don't who you are and if you exist but if you can do something now is the time to land a hand. which is sad and hilarious at the same time.
I believe in reincarnation and Nirvana, before i believe in "god"
Why, they're both supernatural concepts? Both seem rooted in our struggle to deal with death.
@@jeffk464 sure, a different mechanism for the same concepts. Life and death.
God is for the weak
We cannot know about what cannot be objectified. No one can look at the NOW.
Then how do u know God exists?? 😂
@@Astrophile2345 Singularity
@@rikib.3444 Imao what?? Aren't u still objectifying lol. U follow delusions and I follow science ☺
@@rikib.3444ah i see, one word explanation
@@yonaoisme shorter than the biblical "I Am that I Am" but basically the same paradox
God is the creator the engine behind the power of distribution and transformation
any reason to believe this?
I swear he tries to sound just like Carl Sagan 😂
Does he? Is that what he’s TRYING to do? Or are you maybe associating Carl Sagan with Sean Carroll? I mean, you actually KNOW what he’s thinking. I’ll do a few tearful laughing emoji things to punctuate this 😂😂. There. Sometimes people need a little help when WORDS are too much to decipher 😂😂
@malfeitor1349 Funny how you turn to trying to insult me like I can't understand him. I'm saying he literally has a similar voice and does the same kind of pauses Sagan does. I'm sure Sean takes inspiration from Sagan.
@@chemstreescreations your comment was, verbatim: ‘I swear he tries to sound just like Carl Sagan 😂’. I was a bit too acerbic, and I do apologize for that. After I left for work I was replaying my morning, reflecting and thinking to myself what a hypocrite I’ve been. I’m always espousing tolerance and empathy and being objective, and THIS is how I speak to another human being? After typing those last few words, I need to apologize again. I apologize. Sincerely. I guess this is a case of Poe’s law, in full effect, but that in no way excuses my behavior. But I also don’t think he’s intentionally trying to sound like Carl Sagan……DAMN IT….I DID IT AGAIN! I’m such an ASS!!
@@chemstreescreations I’m looking at the conversation AGAIN….F**K I’m so sorry. I really am…..
@malfeitor1349 All good! I respect you for apologizing not many do that! I didn't take it personal and I get where you're coming from. I don't know what he is thinking and no he isn't purposefully doing it just think that's how a lot of physicists talk really 😂
Apex condescension.
who is more condescending: the guy who tries to explain the world with reason? or the people murdering, raping and enslaving in the name of an invisible god?
This Sean guy has a very arrogant air about him, It is in his eyes, his body language, his tone. I'm glad I watched this one tiny clip before committing to the whole interview. He is a bit too dickish for me to bother watching... moving on
absolutely, these physcisists think they know everything because they are good at a subject. These people need God to humble them
Ah, Sean Carroll and arrogance! 🤦♂
I don't know if God exists or not and therefore, I don't need to prove it, BUT if you (Sean Carroll) say that God doesn't exist, I will ask you to PROVE it?
So, I will wait for that proof.
That is objectively wrong thinking. The negative claim never requires proof. Do you say unicorns aren’t real? Do you say Zeus is not real? Then I say to you, give me proof they are not real! See how dumb that is? The negative claim never requires proof. It is the positive claim that does. I don’t need any proof to say that Zeus isn’t real. You must prove to me he is. You are the arrogant one. It’s probably not your fault since you were likely not educated in science. But I hope you learn and grow from this.
Logic and Rationality: It's often easier to prove the existence or presence of something than its absence or non-existence. Proving a positive claim allows for the presentation of evidence, logical arguments, and reasoning to support that claim. On the other hand, proving a negative claim (such as the non-existence of something) can be challenging because it requires demonstrating the absence of all possible evidence or instances, which is often impractical or impossible.
Fairness in Argumentation: Placing the burden of proof on the party making the positive claim ensures fairness in debates and discussions. It prevents the shifting of the burden onto those who may simply be skeptical or unconvinced. Without this principle, anyone could make unfounded claims, shifting the responsibility to others to disprove them, leading to an endless cycle of baseless assertions.
Well I'm an agnostic as well, so I don't have much skin in the game but i'll throw this out there. An interesting dilemma of "god" being widely considered as a infinite being, is that if god goes back in time infinitely, we would never exist. This is because an infinite series of events would have to occur to get to the present, and in the idea of infinite, that could never happen. I personally think this is better used as an example of, if there is a god, we don't have a very good understanding of how it works. Don't know if there is or isn't, but I am fairly certain that the evangelical version of god was made by humans.
You seem to be mistaken in thinking you need a disproof of gods to discredit them as likely explanations of the universe. You don't. It's possible that eventually the next time you start your car it explodes and kills you, but me telling you that isn't going to stop you from using your car because you know it isn't remotely likely, in fact you aren't even going to inspect it even after being aware of the possibility. You will continue to live your life knowing that such a possibility is absurd and never give it another thought. That's how people like Sean can speak with confidence that god is an illusion.
There's an invisible batman flying around the city rn, proove there isn't.
I will wait for that proof
God created the universe = pure crazy.
A programmer created a simulation we call the universe = perfectly sensible, groundbreaking and thought provoking.
he is against the notion that the universe is a simulation
The more I look into UAPs the more I think God is real and stories of angels are real
Then you’re not very smart
UAP’s? 😂
i heard that injecting air into your ateries cures all illnesses. maybe give it a try. an alien told me
No, he does exist. But he's a fraud. Couldn't care less for pain, suffering and injustice.
Sean presents zero substantiation for why he is so sure that God doesn't exist.
His position is also an article of faith -- no different than that of a religious person.
Intellectual dishonesty. What a joke.
The burden of proof isn't on non-believers to prove something does NOT exist. Religious people and their willful ignorance don't know the answer to something, so they make it up. Starting with a conclusion and working backwards, the exact opposite of the scientific method.
chill, yourself out
ok, ok God does exist
and God is only powerful and perfect because he keeps on creating imperfect things that less powerful than him🤭 what an insecure man with beard
God has nothing to lose and he's still soo salty for being rejected thus came up with hell for his rejectors
chill, yourself out! you're God! 🤭 a simple Godman with beard who couldn't stand being rejected by girls
It turns out God is just an incel🤭 Incel man with beard🤭
now I know the true reason why God only recognizes the sons, but Never a daughter like me🤭 because I know best how to Roast the incel God with beard
@@ryanfouts1200some physicists believe dark matter exists and some don't. The scientific community will need more evidence to prove wether it exists or not. The burden of proof is on both sides of the argument. Same thing applied to the theory of relativity long ago and many many other postulates over the course of human history.
Your unwarranted arrogance toward others with a different viewpoint than your own blinds you to the reality of your own articles of faith. You believe- you can't prove.
To think"-- I can't prove it but neither can my opponent-- therefore I am right". Is stupidity.
@@ryanfouts1200Einstiens static universe, cold fusion are recent ideas among many many postulates about reality over the course of human history whom were proven NOT to exist.
If you wish to postulate about any aspect of reality(wether your postulates says it exists or doesn't exist) you need imperical proof---to believe that postulate without said empirical proof is ---faith.
Your unwarranted arrogance toward others who hold different opinions than your own has blinded you to the fact that you have chosen to BELIEVE certain things about reality.
To say--" I can't prove my postulate and my opponent can't prove his postulate ---therefore I am right" Is beyond stupid.
@@ryanfouts1200 Einstein's static universe, and cold fusion are recent examples among many many postulates proven NOT to exist throughout the course of human history.
If one makes any postulate about the nature of reality they would need to substantiate said postulate with empirical evidence to have it accepted as fact. To not be able to do so would relegate such postulates to the classifications of theory and belief.
Your unwarranted arrogance toward others who have different viewpoints than your own has blinded you to the articles of your own faith.
To say: " I cant prove my postulate, and my opponent cant prove his countervailing postulate.......therefore I am right." Is beyond stupid.
What do you know Sean.the arrogance. Ha
Sean admits what he doesn't know and you claim to have all the answers aka your God. Who is arrogant?
@@wingzero7316 n o b o d y k n o w s
Astrophysicist, Hugh Ross, would disagree
nobody cares
Hey Sean, can you tell us why anything at all exists, why there is something rather than nothing, literally an impossible question for the atheist to answer. Either have to defend and infinite regress which is indefensible because its metaphysically impossible or everything came from nothing which is also impossible, unless you want to be Lawrence Krausse. There is only one other expanation, there is an ultimate explanation, something which exists by its very nature. It is the reason anything else exists, all of contingent reality comes from it. But of course Sean isnt capable of dealing with these arguments. Just says "God is an illusion"
Idk why you bring up infinite regress as if it’s only something atheists have to answer. God had to be created too.
@gsp3428 Why can’t atheists also believe that there’s something that exists by its very nature? Why is that option only available to the theist?
Atheist reasoning is always so brilliantly hilarious to listen to.
Anyone who claims god is an illusion should first experience 5meoDMT then report back.
5-MeO-DMT shows you without ego without sense of anything no filter so you would even be able to think about the conpect of „god“ while this 5minute experience
not able*
@@manuhatmacros3924 exactly. All mystical experiences show you that consciousness can exist without ego or thoughts. It also shows you there is far more to reality than you ever assumed.
No, God exists. Sean doesnt know as much as he thinks he does, even for smart guys like him, he may very intelligent in one area, but not may be the greatest thinker in another. Many people just dont want it to be true. Thomas Nagle calls it the cosmic authority problem.
You finding it offensive is the only current problem. Depending on the religion i suppose, no most atheists don’t want there to be a god cuz the god of the bible for example is an attempt of forcing believe thru fear, threat of hell. That is a dirty game frankly. But its not about wanting to believe. You cant force believe anyway, something you would think a god would know btw. I cant fake belief for example. I cant lie to myself about evidence that hasn’t yet been presented to me. At best i could fake it for you so you feel happy i guess, but then i would be offending all the other religions just like you are. You can only pick one, or none and either way, you are pissing off thousands of other religions.
Where is your proof that your God does not live in my asshole? You have absolutely no proof to invalidate my claim.
What’s your evidence he exists?
Sean Carroll might be a successful physicist, but he's a HORRIBLE philosopher. I saw a lecture he did where he concluded that if he could conjure up a HYPOTHETICAL universe that did not need a God, therefore God can't exist. Great reasoning there.
Pascal’s wager.
Pascal's wager is a terrible argument for believing in a God or God's.
@@DarthJunkie666 not really if you understand math
@@mr_skerz ok, you got me.
@@DarthJunkie666 yep, I’m aware despite your sarcasm
It is the dumbest claim you could make since it could be applied to any god. Why not believe in Allah then? Pascal’s wager applies to literally every religion. The fact that you invoked Pascal’s wager shows that you are very uniformed since it is made fun of by even most theists. It is objectively crap, especially since you can’t make yourself believe. And why would any god care?
Sad. God, Jesus Christ, isn’t an “illusion”. Every knee will bow and every tongue confess!!
God bless~
😂😂😂
Your right it’s not an illusion it’s a delusion
@@Dawg476 you know you can edit your comment so you don’t have two ridiculous comments. Thinking there’s no creator is ignorance.
@@KendrasEdge757 Ok a magic leprechaun created us all because he wanted everyone’s help to find the pot of gold. I have just as much evidence for this as you do in your “god”, that’s the problem with “god”.