29th May 1940. 264 sqdn claimed 39 german aircraft, 30 confirmed including 9 me109s 18 Stukas and 3 me 110s, for the loss of 1 air gunner. Thereafter the 109 pilots changed tactics and sadly the defiants limitations were obvious.
The Defiant, in my opinion, suffered the same problem as the Bf-110; misuse. In my opinion, both should have been used solely as bomber destroyers, and left the fighters to planes like the Spitfire and 109.
That was one of the myths of Dunkirk. The British claimed 37 German planes shot down on that day without loss. Postwar records showed that on that day, total loss of German planes on ALL fronts (not just at Dunkirk) was 18.
@Geralt of Rivia Even assuming your ratio is correct, it does not in any way contradict what I said about the Defiant. Perhaps the confusion was that I did not mention specifically that the "37 German planes shot (on May 29) without any loss" were attributed to the "superb" Defiant fighters. That clearly was refuted by the fact that the total German plane losses on that day on all fronts (and not just over Dunkirk) was only 18. That discrepancy had been noted by more than one writer. Sorry I didn't emphasize the figures were for DEFIANT fighters (which was what this video was about) on that day.
@@SnowyHaze249 no they didn't. Fighter Command suffered greater casualties; it was approximately 1:1.5 in the German favour. Read Norman Franks' work or Seb Cox from the Air Historical Branch.
One problem, the VY codes on these Defiants are wrong. VY codes were on the Hurricanes of 85 squadron under the command of Squadron Leader Peter Townsend.
They were assigned to 85 squadron for night fighting duties therefore would be painted black with red lettering. As night fighters they would be used to protect Britain during the blitz not sent on operations over enemy territory. 85 only flew three sorties before re-equipping with Havocs with a turbine light, which they flew alongside hurricanes. One of my friends grandfather flew Defiants with 264 squadron. I've read his log books.
@MrWindycat31 Well, not necessarily a random tactic. I remember reading about the Defiant that when it was designed in the 30's, the idea of how of aerial warfare was to be in the future was all about big, fast bombers flying so high and fast that no fighter cover was to be needed. So Defiant was designed to counter these kind of bomber formations. But of course, that never happened and Defiant's brief success as a day fighter lasted only until the Germans quickly figured out its shortcomings.
The defiant had to be one of the worst plane designed ever as for it going against an ME 110 it would not stand a chance all you would have to do is get below its tail and it could not fire back. If you got in front the 110 could shoot you down because the defiant had no forward firing guns. The 110 had awesome firepower the defiant pea shooters. My cousin was killed in one of those flying death traps.
You obviously know very little about the ME110 It did have forward firing guns of very heavy caliber as many B17 found out. Four 20mm and one 35mm could. A single 20mm cannon had more fire power than all four 303 pea shooters on the defiant. Schnaufer shot down seven Lancasters in nineteen minutes with one of those heavy old 110s he survived the war. If you were in a defiant you needed to keep miles away from the 110
Great to see this aircraft modelled in detail, a shame it wasnt much use for real but this is a very realistic feeling clip, I can feel the tension of the crews ill suited for combat
as you get that the antialiasing filter works for you? so that is not the famous teeth of saw... I do not get active what you select in the NVIDIA control panel? you could put a description of your configuration in your conf.ini and nvidia control panel. Thank you
Poor tactics employed here by the Defiants. Note the attacking 110 came from behind and below, beyond reach of the turret guns. Defiant best response would have been to dive, then form up a circle, keeping the attacker above and behind to bring the turret guns to bear.
@Caithness90 The Blenheim when it first flew, in 1935 was actually a good airplane, it was faster than most of the fighters at the time, but it became out-dated at the beginning of WWII when new more modern fighters were invented.
The Defiant was designed as a bomber-destroyer to counter the much-feared Luftwaffe bomber formations. It was pressed into service over France as a pure fighter, heavily outnumbered. 264 Sqn had some success, others less so. It achieved good results as the first multi-crewed, radar equipped night fighter, filling the role during the BoB until better-equipped twin-engined aircraft were developed. The Defiant was a good aircraft, but in the wrong place, at the wrong time, with the wrong mission.
The Defiant was known by its crews as "Daffy", I often wonder how good the Defiant would have been if they had ditched the turret and fitted 8 forward-firing machine guns the prototype was as fast as the first Hurricanes and nearly as fast as the first Spitfires. On the 29th May 1940 Defiants shot down more aircraft in a single day than any other type during the Battle of Britain. A tactic was developed during Dunkirk whereby the squadron flew in a defensive circle to allow all aircraft to allow devasting firepower but during the BoB this idea was dropped and the aircraft was flown in Vic formation which we know was almost useless in an air battle the RAF's Hurricanes and Spitfires found this to their cost too. The Defiant was fitted with radar and was used as a night fighter until 1942, during the Blitz the Defiant was the RAF's most successful night fighter, they were phased out of this role and by 1943 Defiants were given new roles assisting in search and rescue carrying underwing dinghies, and as target tugs and gunnery practise for bomber crews. Some Defiants became the first electronic warfare countermeasures aircraft helping bomber forces look smaller or larger than they were and jamming enemy radar systems. The last operational use of the Defiant was in India. A Defiant was still in use until 1948 as an airframe to test the first Martin Baker ejector seat. 1064 Defiants were built in some 7 different variants. The Defiant was used by Australia, India, Canada, Poland, Britain, and the USA. I would call that a successful aircraft. Only one aircraft of this type remains and can be seen at RAF Cosford.
@biltongbru I can´t be sure, but the most successful squadron was the 264th but I do know that during two patrols over Dunkirk in May, 29th 1940 they shot down a total of 37(!) German planes, so that´s my best guess. As for the crew, I do not know...
Two of the more unsuccessful designs in the Battle of Britain. The Defiant and the 110 were both failures in the roles they were designed for. Later, both found work as night fighters. Great video.
But this depiction of Bf 110 shooting down Defiants like turkeys is pretty ridiculous. Their top speed was almost identical but the Defiant's manoeuvrability was far better while Bf 110 got heavy (for the time) firepower in the nose. To me at one-to-one, chances would be slightly favorable for Bf 110, but not like in this video. 1 Bf 110 would go in serious trouble trying to fight 6 Defiants .
I read somewhere they were looking at adding some, but by then they were just being used for night duty. I think just one gun in each wing would have been enough, if only to stop it being attacked from the front.
The plan for a 'stop-gap' fighter involved the remaining Defiants having their turret (and second crew position) removed, and being fitted with four machine guns in the wings... but the real Battle of Britain shortage was one of pilots, not planes, so this wasn't pursued.
Defiant, best 1918 fighter of WW2, called Defiant because it defied description. Most Lufwaffe pilots pissed themselves laughing when they came up against it.
manmonkee yes, but still the defiant, even though with strong engines, the daffy would hang behind them, making them an easy target. I think they should fly without the hurricanes, as a night fighter.
The defiant was also used as a night fighter, air sea rescue and target tug. It had a good lease of life. Certainly this video does not do it justice. The 110 would've been easy meat for 6 defiants. They even had some early successes against 109's until 109's realised it had no frontal armament
@jester8249224 Thanks for this very interesting info: do you perhaps have the following info on the magnificent seven kills: a) Pilot? b) Squadron? c) What planes shot down? d) Date Thanks :)
1. dont yah think they could of put forward firing macine gunes on it and a turret? 2. i mean the defiant versus the me110 is a bit unfair cause the110's firepower is way more superior to the defiants .!!
not true, the defient was never designed as a fighter, it was always a bomber destroyer to fly alongside aircraft such as the Heinkel 111's and blast away at the vitals of the bomber. The air ministry only used them as a fighter as they were in desperate need for more fighters
How did you get it working like that? Mine Crashs whenever I try to start a career. What are your system specs? Nice video and graphics! I'd love it if it worked...
This is such bollocks. It'd take more than one Bf 110 to bring down so many Defiants. The facts are that a well flown Defiant with a good gunner rarely had problems dealing with a 110. There is a couple of other problems with this clip. Operationally the takeoff procedure for Defiants was as follows: the gunner always turned the turret with guns aligned to the front next to the cockpit hood and the fairings were raised. Forward facing was the best position in the event of a forced landing. If the gunner was thrown forward his safety harness reduced injury and a crash pad on the gunnery console reduced head injury risk. Flying with the fairings lowered dramatically increased drag. The fairings were usually lowered and locked in combat but switched to automatic at other times meaning the fairings raised and lowered as the turret was rotated.
This particular 110 looks like a C/D sub variant. It’s armaments: 2x20mm MGFF canons in nose, 4x7.92mm MG17 in nose and 1xMG15 flexible mount for the Bordfunker(radio man).
@Caithness90 I agree that the fighter version was a bad idea, but i can also see why they might have thought it would have been a good idea. Its sad so many people had to die because of bad tactics.
Lovely video, I wish this aircraft was flyable in game. Of course for a crap aircraft it has a positive Kill/deth ratio and has one of the highest kill rates in a single sortie in RAF history at 7 kills. Flying in Vic like in game was not correct Defiant tactics...but that is why some died and others didn't
Chris Linton Must've been a frustrating time. As we know the Defiant's had no onboard radar system. Being vectored to the targets last known position by the chain home radars dotted on the coastline, then by information, via radio transmissions. When they get there...the pilot and gunner have to visually spot the bomber(s). Fine if it's a moonlit night or over a burning city, but during a dark murky night...it must've been a nightmare.
In 1940 neither did anything else other than a couple of Blenheim If`s with experimental units. Later on some Defiant Mk III`s did get radar sets though the type was being replaced by Beaufighters and Mosquito`s by that point.
Sorry, but this would NEVER have happened. Most encounters between the Luftwaffe and Boulton Paul Defients where the germans attacked from the rear ended disastrously for german aircrews, as the men who flew and manned the guns in these were highly skilled and counted many kills. It was only when one squadron did not enter the defensive formation that they were easily picked off by 109's. This video is highly inaccurate.
@castlefordjunction53 Fairness!!! Are you being serious??? What has fairness got to do with air fighting or any other sort of warfare for that matter. Defiant was an unfortunate failed experiment. Additional MGs would have just made it even slower and more cumbersome than it already was. It was a tragic joke unfortunately. Sad about the aircrews who flew it.
Such a beautiful bird, too bad they are rare today, even though they were odd jobs, even though me 262s massacred them, they and there crews are the unsung heroes
Nope, the Defiant was relegated to second line duties by 1943 so it never met the 262 in combat. The 262 mainly flew against late mark Spitfires, Hawker Tempests and US P-51`s. It also just barely missed engaging Gloster Meteors and P-80`s by a small margin.
Why do you ask for it with point a) to d)? It is a tragedy, that all french pilots had been fighting against the german NAZI Luftwaffe and had been shooted down!!! Vive la France!!
The Defiant was designed as a bomber-destroyer to counter the much-feared Luftwaffe bomber formations. It was pressed into service over France as a pure fighter, heavily outnumbered. 264 Sqn had some success, others less so. It achieved good results as the first multi-crewed, radar equipped night fighter, filling the role during the BoB until better-equipped twin-engined aircraft were developed. The Defiant was a good aircraft, but in the wrong place, at the wrong time, with the wrong mission.
So was this even a defiant video or more a glorified Bf110 video?
its everytime a good feeling to see your well produced videos mate!
29th May 1940. 264 sqdn claimed 39 german aircraft, 30 confirmed including 9 me109s 18 Stukas and 3 me 110s, for the loss of 1 air gunner. Thereafter the 109 pilots changed tactics and sadly the defiants limitations were obvious.
The Defiant, in my opinion, suffered the same problem as the Bf-110; misuse. In my opinion, both should have been used solely as bomber destroyers, and left the fighters to planes like the Spitfire and 109.
That was one of the myths of Dunkirk. The British claimed 37 German planes shot down on that day without loss. Postwar records showed that on that day, total loss of German planes on ALL fronts (not just at Dunkirk) was 18.
Acne633, no, you're wrong. British planes actually shot down German planes at a ratio of 3 to 1 during the Dunkirk evacuation.
@Geralt of Rivia Even assuming your ratio is correct, it does not in any way contradict what I said about the Defiant. Perhaps the confusion was that I did not mention specifically that the "37 German planes shot (on May 29) without any loss" were attributed to the "superb" Defiant fighters. That clearly was refuted by the fact that the total German plane losses on that day on all fronts (and not just over Dunkirk) was only 18. That discrepancy had been noted by more than one writer. Sorry I didn't emphasize the figures were for DEFIANT fighters (which was what this video was about) on that day.
@@SnowyHaze249 no they didn't. Fighter Command suffered greater casualties; it was approximately 1:1.5 in the German favour. Read Norman Franks' work or Seb Cox from the Air Historical Branch.
One problem, the VY codes on these Defiants are wrong. VY codes were on the Hurricanes of 85 squadron under the command of Squadron Leader Peter Townsend.
Not true. 85 was allocated Defiants towards the end of the BofB but flew no operations with the type.
They were assigned to 85 squadron for night fighting duties therefore would be painted black with red lettering.
As night fighters they would be used to protect Britain during the blitz not sent on operations over enemy territory.
85 only flew three sorties before re-equipping with Havocs with a turbine light, which they flew alongside hurricanes.
One of my friends grandfather flew Defiants with 264 squadron.
I've read his log books.
I always loves the Defiant. don't ask me why but a nice looking plane.
....beautiful textures!
The Defiant's successes were made as a night fighter during the blitz and later. Bombing England did not completely stop after the blitz.
@MrWindycat31
Well, not necessarily a random tactic. I remember reading about the Defiant that when it was designed in the 30's, the idea of how of aerial warfare was to be in the future was all about big, fast bombers flying so high and fast that no fighter cover was to be needed.
So Defiant was designed to counter these kind of bomber formations. But of course, that never happened and Defiant's brief success as a day fighter lasted only until the Germans quickly figured out its shortcomings.
Even a defiant would hold its own against a heavy old cow like the 110 - let alone 6 to 1!
The defiant had to be one of the worst plane designed ever as for it going against an ME 110 it would not stand a chance all you would have to do is get below its tail and it could not fire back. If you got in front the 110 could shoot you down because the defiant had no forward firing guns. The 110 had awesome firepower the defiant pea shooters. My cousin was killed in one of those flying death traps.
@@frankcorner8716 I agree with ya and plus they should put 20mms on the defaint then it would be deadly
You obviously know very little about the ME110 It did have forward firing guns of very heavy caliber as many B17 found out. Four 20mm and one 35mm could. A single 20mm cannon had more fire power than all four 303 pea shooters on the defiant. Schnaufer shot down seven Lancasters in nineteen minutes with one of those heavy old 110s he survived the war. If you were in a defiant you needed to keep miles away from the 110
Great to see this aircraft modelled in detail, a shame it wasnt much use for real but this is a very realistic feeling clip, I can feel the tension of the crews ill suited for combat
The 110 was also pretty good at ground attack. The main draw back to the defiant was that heavy ass hydraulic turret weighing it down.
DavidSixSixFive And of course, no forward armament.
Turret including gunner weighed around 740-50 lbs.
as you get that the antialiasing filter works for you? so that is not the famous teeth of saw... I do not get active what you select in the NVIDIA control panel? you could put a description of your configuration in your conf.ini and nvidia control panel.
Thank you
Excellent as always!Although the video transitions at the beginning made me a bit dizzy,there were way too fast.
Great video. Tough plane to master.
Poor tactics employed here by the Defiants. Note the attacking 110 came from behind and below, beyond reach of the turret guns. Defiant best response would have been to dive, then form up a circle, keeping the attacker above and behind to bring the turret guns to bear.
I suspect the Defiants are being flown by the AI which is treating them as bombers.
Correct, which is why this video is rubbish.
@Caithness90 The Blenheim when it first flew, in 1935 was actually a good airplane, it was faster than most of the fighters at the time, but it became out-dated at the beginning of WWII when new more modern fighters were invented.
The Defiant was designed as a bomber-destroyer to counter the much-feared Luftwaffe bomber formations. It was pressed into service over France as a pure fighter, heavily outnumbered. 264 Sqn had some success, others less so.
It achieved good results as the first multi-crewed, radar equipped night fighter, filling the role during the BoB until better-equipped twin-engined aircraft were developed.
The Defiant was a good aircraft, but in the wrong place, at the wrong time, with the wrong mission.
This plane must be very fun to play with.Not as pilot,but as gunner.4 MGs...
The Defiant was known by its crews as "Daffy", I often wonder how good the Defiant would have been if they had ditched the turret and fitted 8 forward-firing machine guns the prototype was as fast as the first Hurricanes and nearly as fast as the first Spitfires. On the 29th May 1940 Defiants shot down more aircraft in a single day than any other type during the Battle of Britain. A tactic was developed during Dunkirk whereby the squadron flew in a defensive circle to allow all aircraft to allow devasting firepower but during the BoB this idea was dropped and the aircraft was flown in Vic formation which we know was almost useless in an air battle the RAF's Hurricanes and Spitfires found this to their cost too. The Defiant was fitted with radar and was used as a night fighter until 1942, during the Blitz the Defiant was the RAF's most successful night fighter, they were phased out of this role and by 1943 Defiants were given new roles assisting in search and rescue carrying underwing dinghies, and as target tugs and gunnery practise for bomber crews. Some Defiants became the first electronic warfare countermeasures aircraft helping bomber forces look smaller or larger than they were and jamming enemy radar systems. The last operational use of the Defiant was in India. A Defiant was still in use until 1948 as an airframe to test the first Martin Baker ejector seat. 1064 Defiants were built in some 7 different variants. The Defiant was used by Australia, India, Canada, Poland, Britain, and the USA. I would call that a successful aircraft. Only one aircraft of this type remains and can be seen at RAF Cosford.
nice video very well edited
@nolifemerc And the Defiant wasnt the only one they made, There was the RNAA's Blackburn Roc too.
Which was actually worse than the Defiant, but still made the first British air combat kill off WW2 - a German seaplane if I recall correctly.
A WW1 aircraft in WW2-piece of cake quote. Very hard for the gunner to bale out.
@biltongbru I can´t be sure, but the most successful squadron was the 264th but I do know that during two patrols over Dunkirk in May, 29th 1940 they shot down a total of 37(!) German planes, so that´s my best guess.
As for the crew, I do not know...
Maybe it should have had one forward firing mg like the blenhiem or battle
Two of the more unsuccessful designs in the Battle of Britain. The Defiant and the 110 were both failures in the roles they were designed for. Later, both found work as night fighters. Great video.
But this depiction of Bf 110 shooting down Defiants like turkeys is pretty ridiculous. Their top speed was almost identical but the Defiant's manoeuvrability was far better while Bf 110 got heavy (for the time) firepower in the nose. To me at one-to-one, chances would be slightly favorable for Bf 110, but not like in this video. 1 Bf 110 would go in serious trouble trying to fight 6 Defiants .
Very well done...again.
does it have a forward firing MG ?
No.
Hi biltongbru
Awesome work as usual Buddy.
BTW How do you manage to get Stutter free filming with Fraps over land?
Regards
Keith :-)
Funnily enough, the Hawker contendor for the turret fighter actually had a single fixed firing forward gun!
Why on earth did they avoid forward firing wing guns?
I read somewhere they were looking at adding some, but by then they were just being used for night duty. I think just one gun in each wing would have been enough, if only to stop it being attacked from the front.
The plan for a 'stop-gap' fighter involved the remaining Defiants having their turret (and second crew position) removed, and being fitted with four machine guns in the wings... but the real Battle of Britain shortage was one of pilots, not planes, so this wasn't pursued.
Wow that ammo looks aggressive!
Defiant, best 1918 fighter of WW2, called Defiant because it defied description. Most Lufwaffe pilots pissed themselves laughing when they came up against it.
How was the rear gunner meant to bail out then? They never really thought that through did they?
Poopingbotham ok thanks for info
+Iainbotham They had a rhino suit!
There was an escape hatch in the floor and the rear part of the turret could be jetisoned but neither system was easy to use.
Does anybody know if there is a boulton Paul defiant in il2 modding
the defients are ment to form up a defencive circle.
I wonder if mixing Defiants within Hurricane squadrons would have worked, 10 Hurries, 2 Defiants?. That'd of confused the Bosh.
manmonkee yes, but still the defiant, even though with strong engines, the daffy would hang behind them, making them an easy target. I think they should fly without the hurricanes, as a night fighter.
Nicely done m8..
What's the first track? Sounds familiar somehow...
For me the Defiant was too mission specific. Even the Stuka got a second lease of life as a tank buster.
The defiant was also used as a night fighter, air sea rescue and target tug. It had a good lease of life. Certainly this video does not do it justice. The 110 would've been easy meat for 6 defiants. They even had some early successes against 109's until 109's realised it had no frontal armament
wery fine air battle animation.
I hope it´s flyable in the game
@jester8249224 Thanks for this very interesting info: do you perhaps have the following info on the magnificent seven kills:
a) Pilot?
b) Squadron?
c) What planes shot down?
d) Date
Thanks :)
1. dont yah think they could of put forward firing macine gunes on it and a turret?
2. i mean the defiant versus the me110 is a bit unfair cause the110's firepower is way more superior to the defiants .!!
The defiant would have made a fantastic ground attack aircraft with sufficient bombs/forward firing guns
not true, the defient was never designed as a fighter, it was always a bomber destroyer to fly alongside aircraft such as the Heinkel 111's and blast away at the vitals of the bomber. The air ministry only used them as a fighter as they were in desperate need for more fighters
@CheckMySix Thanks for the complement my friend.
Record at 1/4 speed with fraps and then correct the speed with film editor = no stutter :)
how can you unlock the airplane?
How did you get it working like that? Mine Crashs whenever I try to start a career. What are your system specs? Nice video and graphics! I'd love it if it worked...
A BF110 wouldn't have stood a chance against six Defiants, especially as it is attacking from behind, the perfect position for the Defiants' gunners.
This is such bollocks. It'd take more than one Bf 110 to bring down so many Defiants. The facts are that a well flown Defiant with a good gunner rarely had problems dealing with a 110. There is a couple of other problems with this clip. Operationally the takeoff procedure for Defiants was as follows: the gunner always turned the turret with guns aligned to the front next to the cockpit hood and the fairings were raised. Forward facing was the best position in the event of a forced landing. If the gunner was thrown forward his safety harness reduced injury and a crash pad on the gunnery console reduced head injury risk. Flying with the fairings lowered dramatically increased drag. The fairings were usually lowered and locked in combat but switched to automatic at other times meaning the fairings raised and lowered as the turret was rotated.
Say that to the MG 151
Movie was probably made by a hardcore Luftwaffe fanboy.
@@wessel2009 german WWII machineguns were lethal
This particular 110 looks like a C/D sub variant. It’s armaments: 2x20mm MGFF canons in nose, 4x7.92mm MG17 in nose and 1xMG15 flexible mount for the Bordfunker(radio man).
@Caithness90 I agree that the fighter version was a bad idea, but i can also see why they might have thought it would have been a good idea. Its sad so many people had to die because of bad tactics.
Still waiting for this damn game to be finished
@biltongbru
yes but if more mgs make it hevier put in a more powerful engine in or 2 and then they would of been more of a sucsses to the nation.
Imagine the performance of this thing without the turret! Kinda makes me think of a mustang..
Lovely video, I wish this aircraft was flyable in game. Of course for a crap aircraft it has a positive Kill/deth ratio and has one of the highest kill rates in a single sortie in RAF history at 7 kills.
Flying in Vic like in game was not correct Defiant tactics...but that is why some died and others didn't
The defiant was much better used as an independant night fighter taking on the luftwaffe during the blitz.
Chris Linton Must've been a frustrating time. As we know the Defiant's had no onboard radar system. Being vectored to the targets last known position by the chain home radars dotted on the coastline, then by information, via radio transmissions. When they get there...the pilot and gunner have to visually spot the bomber(s). Fine if it's a moonlit night or over a burning city, but during a dark murky night...it must've been a nightmare.
In 1940 neither did anything else other than a couple of Blenheim If`s with experimental units. Later on some Defiant Mk III`s did get radar sets though the type was being replaced by Beaufighters and Mosquito`s by that point.
Can you fly these, is there a mod?
just orderd this game
If it had some forward firing machine guns it would have been a little more successful.
who came up with the idea lets put a turret in a figther
Interesting but perhaps a bit unfair to the Defiants? Those four gun turrets had
some effectiveness.
Should have designed it with twin engines (mosquito) with one turret on the front, one on the back. Sorted!
Sorry, but this would NEVER have happened. Most encounters between the Luftwaffe and Boulton Paul Defients where the germans attacked from the rear ended disastrously for german aircrews, as the men who flew and manned the guns in these were highly skilled and counted many kills. It was only when one squadron did not enter the defensive formation that they were easily picked off by 109's. This video is highly inaccurate.
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@castlefordjunction53 Fairness!!! Are you being serious??? What has fairness got to do with air fighting or any other sort of warfare for that matter. Defiant was an unfortunate failed experiment. Additional MGs would have just made it even slower and more cumbersome than it already was. It was a tragic joke unfortunately. Sad about the aircrews who flew it.
excellent .';-)
So the turret was useless then.
Just heard the bad news 1c wont be making these flyable.. concentrating in battle for moscow
Theyre not flyable aircraft in the game though.
@fliegeroh great conclusion!
The defiant had to be among the dumbest designs ever. No forward firing guns. My cousin died in one of those death traps.
Defiant，no match for Me110. Beautiful plane with brave crew but poorly conceived fighting design.
or two in the nose
Such a beautiful bird, too bad they are rare today, even though they were odd jobs, even though me 262s massacred them, they and there crews are the unsung heroes
Emperor Doge did they fly those against 262s?
+Loatoppo ! No, the 262's ambushed a squadron of defiants
Nope, the Defiant was relegated to second line duties by 1943 so it never met the 262 in combat. The 262 mainly flew against late mark Spitfires, Hawker Tempests and US P-51`s. It also just barely missed engaging Gloster Meteors and P-80`s by a small margin.
Why do you ask for it with point a) to d)? It is a tragedy, that all french pilots had been fighting against the german NAZI Luftwaffe and had been shooted down!!! Vive la France!!
Oh yeah...the French had a mere 4:1 kill/loss ratio. People forget the skills of the French fighting force.
glad to see some shite planes in here with the good ones as well...
War thunder
horrible plane probably
The Defiant was designed as a bomber-destroyer to counter the much-feared Luftwaffe bomber formations. It was pressed into service over France as a pure fighter, heavily outnumbered. 264 Sqn had some success, others less so.
It achieved good results as the first multi-crewed, radar equipped night fighter, filling the role during the BoB until better-equipped twin-engined aircraft were developed.
The Defiant was a good aircraft, but in the wrong place, at the wrong time, with the wrong mission.
The defiant was much better used as an independant night fighter taking on the luftwaffe during the blitz.