Was it a send off? w/ Hello Sport

Tom and Eddy join me to discuss the State of Origin opener.

[@ir711]

There was a game plan to rock Walsh. A rookie, charged up by the emotion of the big stage. The moment presented Suaalii with an opportunity to fulfil that assignment and lay him out. A few centimetres lower he would have had a potential game-turning moment in NSW's favour + he would have a highlight reel for the ages again in favour of Suaalii, and potentially put fear in Walsh. However, he got it wrong and shouldered Walsh's head in a flying motion, Full stop. It is a game of inches. A heavy price to pay to achieve one assignment.

[@user-oc9us1xg6e]

Classic brainwashed Queenslander aye

[@bb198]

@@user-oc9us1xg6e a salty NSW fan ay?

[@therelinquished4751]

Wouldn't have changed shit. Walsh while getting knocked out still set up the hammer for a break that almost led to a try. 1 thing about Walsh is if he makes a mistake or gets hit hard, he doesn't get gun shy. Just a shame 1 stupid shot tool him out of the game again

[@clarkkent1340]

​@@therelinquished4751dude we literally watched😅 him melt at the gf in front if our eyes.

[@nebzjitsu]

@@therelinquished4751he folded like an Aldi lawn chair in the last 20 mins of the gf mate

[@kyeser06]

Kempy his head definitely moves down

[@michaelolofsson8558]

It moves down millimetres, a frame earlier than contact. It was going to be a bad tackle either way.

[@thomasrodwell563]

@michaelolofsson8558
Watch again. He's a whole head lower than he would've been if he hadn't slipped. Stop making up crap.

[@jackoutback1605]

One positive to come out of the game for NSW Spencer Leniu didn’t make racist comment.

[@SlaintheMhath]

Two positives, no one called Spencer Leniu a coconut.

[@markrichardson2508]

Spencer played amazingly without much grub about it too from a QLDer

[@sloppygoo]

Didn’t make a racist comment so far* (homer voice)

[@travismiller1491]

​@@markrichardson2508he only fake an injury once that game for a break, not to bad to his usual standards. Good game

[@bellingdog]

You could tell he was pissed a Torres Strait Islamder stopped him from scoring a try...

[@HowstheMoraahle]

Listening to Tom and Eddy trying to justify not applying the rules of the game to save the spectacle is a tough listen. I’m a NSW fan and I agree with Kempy. You can’t ignore rules and apply them wherever they feel like it

[@bb198]

yeah it is tough....the whole "the game was runied because it was 12 v 13" rhetoric is just dumb. A single player made a decision and it had an effect on the outcome of the game....accept it and move on

[@bellingdog]

Irs crazy that "it ruined the game". No, Suallii ruined the game.

[@damonfyfe5828]

If it's cleary that's hit like that, qld go down to 12 and nsw win there's zero chat

[@chrisgold1911]

I think it’s still got a fair bit of emotion in it. Almost everyone can agree that was a send off, I think the annoying part has been a send off at the 7min mark has a much bigger impact than a send off at the 67 min mark. That’s probably where’s the suggestion of a union type red comes in. NSW would still be a man down the entire game on the bench and therefore fatigue more for the whole game but would only be a man down on the field for 20 mins, QLD would still have a full on-field team + bench the whole time with the 18th man.

[@talram3347]

The rules have always been different in origin….. where have you been

[@RossMorris1]

679 tackles made last night with no issue.
1 tackle made by someone with with his shoulder & knocked a player clean out for the count.
Yet the ref is in the wrong.. 😑 just be better Suaalli 679 tackles were made, just copy them next time 😅
Be like Martin and bend ya back 🏆

[@aup10]

Well said.

[@thomasrodwell563]

@RossMorris1
Helps when the ball carrier doesn't slip over

[@idougit]

@@thomasrodwell563 Joey wasn't looking when he hit him :L shows he wasn't in control

[@Gimli321]

Hahah fuck I love the boys, but fuck their not taking it well

[@Allowmeman]

They’re

[@matrix35]

2 flops!

[@benitius3892]

Serious question: if this occurs in LAST 7 mins instead of the first 7… do we still react like this? So question is whether its a send off or not- takeaway the emotion of the spectacle

[@adambatty6023]

Why would you take the emotion of the spectacle out of the decision making? Context is absolutely everything in this situation. Some form of penalty needed to be given in order to achieve justice, however in this instance the send off has potentially devastating consequences for the entire series which is understandably why people are infuriated.

[@glenwilkie5765]

​@adambatty6023 a send off is a send off whether it upsets the punters at home or not, pretty simple. A player can't just escape their full punishment because the spectacle will be ruined. If you want to blame someone, blame suaallii.

[@gdconflik1665]

​@@glenwilkie5765you clearly dont get state of origin

[@glenwilkie5765]

@@gdconflik1665 what an amazing argument 😂

[@gdconflik1665]

@@glenwilkie5765 you mean what an amazing fact 🤣🤣🤣

[@LeviRyan-gz8cd]

I hate saying this being from nsw, I agree with kempy

[@WhosNathaniel]

show us your maroons jumper brother

[@jenconvertibles]

i’m a mostly neutral fan being from perth, but if anything i’m a nsw fan since my dad was born in manly, and kempy is 100% right once the emotion settles down people will agree

[@WhosNathaniel]

@@jenconvertibles Respectfully you’re from Perth you don’t get origin

[@jenconvertibles]

@@WhosNathaniel respectfully i’ve been watching rugby league my whole life i don’t care if it’s origin or not that’s a send off every day of the week

[@WhosNathaniel]

@@jenconvertibles Just pulling ya leg mate bit of banter and that

[@chickachambrez]

Neutral here! 100% a red all day long, can’t believe people are even arguing based on how it has been refereed all season 🤷🏻‍♂️ hated it as it killed the game

[@50NewEyes]

Qld won a game with 12 men back in the late 80’s… we had injury after injury.

[@paretapaitau]

Was that 7 minutes into the game? And the game has changed so much since then so what you say is irrelevant

[@GuyLovesAnOnion]

@@paretapaitau probably worse tbh considering you’d have no bench

[@SlaintheMhath]

I remember the Hass hip drop on Cleary in the GF, nothing, not even a penalty. Cleary needed a pain shot at halftime and missed the internationals as a result. No action from the MRC.
Accidental?

[@ashcameron7677]

Kemp is a disgrace

[@Sully-bv8wk]

Lot of dribble from the dribblers 🤤

[@SlaintheMhath]

He gets sent off but can be replaced from the bench, 13 on the field and 3 on the bench.
Qld activates 18 so they have an advantage, 13 on the field and 4 on the bench.
It rated a send off and the GF is the most important game of the year, a one off, no second chances.

[@OtterSC2]

That but they're also down to 12 for 20 minutes is the most likely rules change if they make one

[@kroll_87]

That punishment isn’t sufficient IMO. Would trade a battler, 12 men for a 10 minutes, and one less interchange for an elite fullback or half any day of the week. Maybe if it is in first 20 minutes, down to 12 for 30, second 20 it’s 20 minutes and second half bad luck down to 12?

[@therelinquished4751]

So I can put a stinker of a player in my squad, someone who's absolute ass, get him to go and take out their best player and take him out for the whole game, and they get to still use 13 on 13, how's that fair 😂😂😂😂

[@michaelolofsson8558]

Cool. Ill trade a winger for a fullback every day of the week.

[@user-kx9il4qg2s]

@blokeinabar Denan kemp knows rugba league, sualili chose to do that so he pay the consequence, fuck the spectacle he literally killed Reece Walsh so should be sent off nsw should blame sualili for losing not the refs or the rules Uppa QLD

[@minirenno1990]

Big screen that you boys can look at, Matty puts up the hit and you guys talk over the hit instead of saying “you need to watch it more” regarding if he slipped or not.
Also please just one camera on the HS boys.

[@sarahsouth5165]

what kind of standard are we setting if you can take one of the star players out in the 1st 10 mins, and not be binned for it. if he gets 10mins for that then anygame you can just take a star key player out and only get 10mins

[@iAmWheelss]

I’ve heard at least 20 takes on this tackle by this point, both from NSW and Queenslanders, ex players, ex origin stars etc.
Kempy is the only one to not agree that Reece slipping had any effect on whether or not the tackle would have been high - or at the very least made it look worse.
Maybe you should watch it another 1000 times mate

[@bb198]

I also agree with Kempy. It dirtectly compares to the Dom Young tackle on Blacke Taafe earlier in the year. Taller man knocking out a smaller man trying to make a tackle, small men were fullbacks in the action of passing the ball. Both were send offs....the fact that they were both slipping has no bearing on the send off what so ever. Why didn't Suali'i go for a legs tackle? theres zero chance of knocking a player out going for a legs tackle....No, instead he decided to try to put on the huge hit and be a hero where the margin of error is incredibly small. He made the decision, he pays the price

[@bellingdog]

Rematch it yourself, mate. His slip drops his head by 12mm at the most. The only person wha can pick that height difference is a kid at school comparing himself to the next tallest kid in the class.

[@michaelolofsson8558]

It doesnt change the tackle at all.

[@riverdhellem446]

Even if this is true though, I think it should be the responsibility of the defending player to at least try and make an effort to aim lower… if it’s obvious that effort has been made and it still goes wrong, then yes it shouldn’t be a send off. But here, he comes in hard with a perfect case scenario approach and got it wrong.

[@aup10]

Ahhhh......yes, I remember last year when Fegler was sent for 10 minutes for the most ridiculous head high tackle decision, which was effectively the rest of the game. That on top of all the other injuries QLD had. The QLD players said "That's it..game over....we can't win from here. How can we possibly match them now?"

[@LocalAussieRS]

10 minutes vs 72 is crazy

[@aup10]

@@LocalAussieRS I have to agree. This means QLD would have scored 14 tries, not 2. 😎

[@j0shj0shj0sh]

So protect the game? Or protect a player's career? Gotta look out for the players on this one. Game will just have to adapt. Their careers are short enough as it is. And it's not as if the game was a complete write-off either. NSW came back hard and were looking real good in the 2nd half. They were still a chance at 20-10 until Hunt's try with 15 to go.

[@davidfalealili]

The thing that would make the most sense to me would be, in a case like this, match the Bin to the 15 minutes of the HIA. The bunker can review it and upgrade if necessary. If it's dangerous reckless play then that offending player can't come back, but can be replaced on the field so it's 13 v13, 16 v 17.

[@Mahatheyew]

You're basically saying if a tackle goes awry and is overly careless, and it takes someone out, then that team whose player was taken out deserves to be handed the win. Because that's exactly what an early send off achieves. Surely there can be a consequence which severely disadvantages the guilty players team without taking them out of the contest 100%.

[@originalrigby7153]

Or how about you keep a very heavy consequence to ensure players take accountability for their actions, and it doesn't turn into MMA to take out the most talented players because you cant stand against a squad at full power, and let down their team, fans and state.

[@Mahatheyew]

@@originalrigby7153 Heavy consequence yeah, consequence that guarantees the result of the game, nah.

[@bb198]

how about players make better tackling decisions to avoid smashing opposition players in the jaw an knocking them out? IT WAS SU'ALI'I'S FAULT THAT NSW LOST......the game wasnt ruined, it was only ruined if your a NSW fan....pathetic

[@Mahatheyew]

@@bb198 Regardless of who you support, the game was OVER. Exactly 0% chance of a 12 v 13 victory over 70 minutes of play. That was NSW's consequence for 1 bad tackle.

[@thomasrodwell563]

Walsh slips over. Suaalii doesn't have time to pull out and makes contact with head. Penalty and sin bin without a doubt but you can't tell me there's not enough mitigation there to downgrade from a send off.

[@BenthzG]

As a queenslader, I think the game was unwinnable for NSW after the high shot...and I don't think it should be for one player's big, reckless error...Options:
1) maybe a 30min bin
2) send off but nsw can actiavte an 18th man after ten minutes
3) a rule that the ref could bin the player until half time if needed..
2 seems best

[@bellingdog]

So do we (Qld) also get Reece Walsh back after 10 minutes....let's say Walsh is able to come back, he has to stay off for a minimum 15 minutes. Seriously, Walsh was killing it, Qld even had a game plan to use Walsh as a kicker in the match (he kicked it on the 5th).
Crazy that people think we need to change the rules because of this. People are just upset it happened in the 8th minute. Remember last year Flegler was binned late in the game and Qld were already behind. They still beat NSW 12 on 13. No one talks about how unfair that sin-binning was because Qld won.

[@deevo1196]

These hello sport fellas got rocks in their head

[@sharathmammen]

Talk about “ad cope-ium”

[@girdsy9971]

Having paid for flights and tickets to Sydney from perth to watch the game, it was pretty disappointing realising that 7mins in to the game the winner was decided. For me that's enough to not want to do it again.

[@michaelolofsson8558]

I agree with you, however, you cant say "Ok, its a free for all".

[@girdsy9971]

​@michaelolofsson8558 yeah look it was a shit situation. My point being it was a waste of time past the 7 minute mark

[@riverdhellem446]

Surely it’s not hard to see that if you lower the target and then it goes wrong, it’s 10 in the bin, and if you do not lower your target and it does wrong, it’s a send off… I don’t think it affects the origin brand if you try to eliminate head contact. If anything, there’s a different view where if players know that head contact is more acceptable in origin under a pressure cooker environment, there may not be the same amount of risk taken whether it be tackling or anything else which would impact the “rough” brand… thoughts?

[@JRBurb89]

Everyone is missing the point - 40% of the broadcast money is because of SOO, reported 800,000+ people tuned out after the send off, big bikkies for channel 9. No broadcast money = no game.

[@mctrippa1967]

Your missing the point of no players = no game to make money off in the first place 🤦🏾‍♂️ player safety is a higher priority then the revenue of one game!! CTE and concussions in the game are a bigger problem in the long run since the players could sue the league over player safety negligence and if the league listened to you they would have to pay out heaps potentially bankrupting the game. Plus not to mention player safety negligence would lead to less kids playing the sport and so on...

[@bellingdog]

Is it possible the biggest name (by fame) in the game is Reece Walsh and some people turned off because their favourite player isn't playing anymore?

[@JRBurb89]

@@mctrippa1967if there is no game there is no players to keep safe and you can go round and round - the point is there needs to be balance between the two things, it’s a collision sport that is also a business. One can’t be a higher priority than the other because one can’t exist without the other.

[@mctrippa1967]

@@JRBurb89 have fun arguing that your entertainment is more important than player safety.

[@JRBurb89]

@@mctrippa1967the only reason you can see it on tv is because the broadcasters pay the nrl and the nrl pays the players. And the only reason anyone is discussing it is because it was BROADCASTED. The is the first time the broadcasters have seen a legitimate monetary loss due to a send off. It’s relevant, because if the players don’t get paid, they would not be playing. Chicken or the egg mate, rather simple concept. And don’t question why I’m arguing you are the one commenting on my original comment.

[@sk_dede8635]

Got to meet ya outside the game last night Kempy, absolute legend. UP THE BEAK

[@dumbfitter]

denan, how on earth do you think there is no consequence for ripping someone's head off if the game doesn't get ruined by another person being able to take their spot? you dont think 4 weeks on the sideline doesn't deter you?

[@Peter-wc4kr]

Would someone make an appointment at OPSM for Mr Kemp if he thinks that Reece Walsh slipping down did not lower his head height.

[@teagyy1492]

Must be so conflicting for Tom and Eddy to be such staunch Manly/DCE fans and see DCE have a blinder. Last night would've been a hate wank for then

[@andrewpatmore9893]

People don’t understand that if walsh doesn’t slip he hits him flush on the chest!

[@user-tb9uf8oc6r]

He actually doesn't slip much more than an inch if that. Sualii was still in the air after he made contact. Was always going to be miles high.

[@LMT95]

Don’t use logic here.
I now know where all my friends that are broncos fans get their rugby league knowledge from.
The problem is, kempy fence sits far too much, that now when he passionately voices his ACTUAL opinion it comes across like this. To think Walsh slipping didn’t play a part in the head high contact is ludicrous and just complete and utter bs.
Suaalii made contact with the head and I thought it was a send off. That’s the right decision in my eyes. But Walsh slipping absolutely played a part in it. Both of those statements can be true together.

[@b4fresh297]

the vibe of this convo is like an nrl analyst on 360 or something trying to talk origin with my die hard uncles.

[@davincidribbler7427]

Kempy is dead wrong.
Joseph should’ve been sent for the game, but QLD shouldn’t win purely off a head high.
NSW should be down a player, QLD activates 18th man. Joseph cops a long ass ban and a fine for being an idiot.
Spectacle saved. NSW suffer a big disadvantage. QLD suffer a small disadvantage.

[@josephpayne4267]

100%

[@matatau_]

Lol he isn’t dead wrong 😂
At the end of the day Jo makes the gamble to go ahead with that play, and he found out. Essentially Walsh gets sent off as a result of the play too, also with ramifications for the Broncos for 11 days. The punishment fit the crime. Simple.
+ Why should the Roosters have an extended punishment for an origin crime.

[@davincidribbler7427]

@@matatau_He should be punished. The team should be punished to a lesser extent. Fans should not be punished.

[@matatau_]

@@davincidribbler7427 Then he shouldn't have made the play 😂

[@mitchellrom1758]

Just dribble from Tom and Eddy

[@nateschubert7173]

Tom/Eddy's argument is valid. They're talking about the spectacle of Origin and the implied economics. It's widely known that Origin is prime earning period for the broadcasters to get their ROI (who finance the game, players salaries). There's alot of casual viewers who watch origin, but don't pay attention week to week. Viewer numbers would have dropped off at the 60m mark, and you'd argue it may impact game 2,3 viewership. Particularly if QLD win game 2. Gotta protect the golden goose that is origin.

[@Zi3ro]

Just send the player off for the rest of the game. Matching the hurt player that is also off for the game. 20min of 12v13, then back to 13v13.
It is fucking obvious.
Accidents happen for fuck sake.
Legit can’t believe kemp thinks what we had is best outcome possible. SOE ending due to an accident.
Send off the player for the rest of the game. 12v13 for 20min. Offending team down a player for the remainder of the game. Other team gets 18th man advantage. And a penalty.
This is a better outcome in every universe.

[@josephpayne4267]

Absolutely!!!!

[@ryaningram9401]

I can’t get through this ep, Kempy is a killer, not listening to the boys wholistic reasoning at all and just repeating his perspective 20 times

[@talram3347]

This and the review with Matty and Guru was painful

[@matteograsso8686]

Kempy has legit become insufferable. Literally arguing that Walsh slipping didn’t affect the tackle while using arguments like ‘Teddy and KP could have retired’ and ‘Walsh is 21, he MIGHT need to retire’. I’m legit done with Bloke and the 4 hour podcasts where a bunch of dorks sit around taking turns agreeing with whatever Kempy says. Instead of the BS podcasts, just post a video of Kemp saying ‘Queensland, Patty Carrigan, I played for the Broncos’.

[@LebronInCebu]

Kemp isn't open to the listen to opinions of the Monday night guys either, he's become a bit more egotistic guy lately.

[@mickhasthefacts8632]

@@matteograsso8686 I think Guru often doesn't agree with Kemp, but he gets shutdown by Kemp's stubborn character at times.

[@JakeHolzheimer]

Seeya bro won't be missed 😂😂
If you think Hello Sport are the voice of reason not sure why you bother watching Bloke can get all you can eat bias from them.

[@bloodyarch9765]

You guys are bloody hilarious. Good stuff!!

[@Tom-wh2mb]

QLD fan completely agree nsw should’ve won 5 in a row and that’s why they don’t have the same coach anymore

[@SlaintheMhath]

There was a fair bit of bad luck in those losses, who was covering the halves and the outside backs for NSW last night? The Bush Poet had it covered for the toads.

[@Tom-wh2mb]

@@SlaintheMhath bad luck? We played with a back rower and half hooker at centre and still skinned you? You lost Teddy in 2020 but did you see our backline, 2022 just can’t capitalise on moments that’s it

[@Roronoazorochan]

Kenny… So you don’t want us going 110%?!

[@codiecooper9463]

Should be a rule where you can send off the player then substitute his position and the player who got sent off can’t come back on the field but his position on the field is replaced by another player.
Problem solved.

[@cowan8892]

Then there is literally no team disadvantage for trying to kill a player. And they just go out aiming at all the star players heads knowing their team doesn't suffer any real consequences because of it.

[@intercal304]

So all blasting out the line in defence is reckless?
If you blast out the line and smoked walsh around the hips is that reckless?

[@bellingdog]

He literally said if he hits lower its reckless but legal. It's a problem when it's reckless but illegal.

[@benblair1340]

Have everyone from NSW forgotten Tom Flegler getting 10 in the bin Game 1 2023 for a head clash with NSW up 18-16??

[@bb198]

yeah and QLD going on to win too....NSW dont get origin

[@dyyldoes]

This demonstrates the brain damage of nsw supporters. Fellas copped a few shoulders or what. “Let’s re write the rule book entirely so we can still be grubs”

[@matthewyeung6563]

I think I lost brain cells listening to those two clowns. Did they just say its ok bring in kaufusi to replace Walsh. What a joke

[@QwikShifta]

No intent my ass! 😂 and he'd barely slipped by the time he was contacted.

[@dermothegerty9020]

Why is everyone sleeping on Kotoni Staggs? Surely he's in the conversation to come in for game II

[@matteograsso8686]

Cause he's defensively shit.

[@clarkkent1340]

Because hes shit. Anything else?

[@scruffy74]

It seemed like the bunker reviewed it and directed Ashley Klein to send him off. So you might be killing the messenger there guys.

[@vetaiapettitt9749]

How do youse not mention Isaya Katoa at 7. Kicking game. 40/20 specialist. Composed from kick off to fulltime. Does his job well

[@seanhouma8365]

Just for clarity on the Rugby Union rule to Tom’s point, a ref penalising a player with a straight red card means the team loses that player for the rest of the game. However when the ref penalises the player with a yellow card & off field review then the player can be replaced if the yellow card is upgraded to a red card.

[@uso_tmax5740]

Denan gets origin

[@AydamAydamson-lt5bt]

I'm a blues supporter, but man that's a send off. Doesn't set a good precedent if that's only 10 in the bin. All eyes are watching and I feel people would be turned off the sport if it wasn't a send off.
I don't get this stupid argument from Queenslanders saying he was trying to take Walsh out though. If that were the case the blues wouldn't be silly enough to have 4 forwards on the bench and no centre/wing coverage.

[@aswardo1992]

Does Suaalii charge out like that at the roosters ?? nope so why did he do it last night ? becauseeeee NSW were told to take Walsh out 100% GG ya nsw cats

[@TheBlackguard]

Have a lie down, champ.

[@aswardo1992]

@@TheBlackguard 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@BornBarto95Gaming]

Just dont go in for such a shit tackle. Slip or not he chose to make that tackle and "ruin the spectale".

[@TheBlackguard]

Should NSW be penalised every time Walsh slips over?

[@jfish3028]

So i am confused is kempy focus on player health or winning the contest the boys make a good point that a greater consequence is missing more games

[@anthonygillespie4229]

What about in origin or any games any send off the player goes for 10 bin he doesn’t come back at all so you play with 16

[@mickrom111]

24:38 I’m a Qlder and for jakey to sit there I felt for him 🤦🏽‍♂️😤

[@moneymarv6861]

Watched the replays. Agree Reece didnt slip. He was slightly lower then upright due to passing the ball. A great shame the matxh was ruined but it was the right call.

[@tamamakiiti587]

"Maroon to the Bone" - Patty Mills

[@hktz1]

Ashley Klein refereed one of the greatest Origins; 2022 Game III.

[@timgreen2043]

Move on guys

[@ezza1236]

Omg bro I died when he said
Everyone came out and one bold fuck wreck it for us

[@user-ph8ci7my4q]

Here is an idea if a player gets sent off u can still play 13 on the field but you lost the 4th interchange player for the game
So still 13 on 13 but only 3 on the bench

[@toanz4869]

He slips and his head stays same position bahahahahaha fmd beak your biase is pissing out lol

[@TzDavid95]

It does though, if you're so confident, mark out a clip when he's head slips down so much it makes contact with the shoulder, whether he slips or not it was always a high contact. Why do people struggle to accept the truth? Tell me please, why can't you admit the facts

[@LGS839]

Genuinely does though. He doesn't run completely upright does he.

[@Nodiggity-z2g]

New Zealand IS TUNED IN. HARD. Haven’t missed a game since 1992. HARD.

[@michaelolofsson8558]

Kemp: Lists off stats, gee that was a pretty good game.
No, Hynes did not have a good name. His stats show he ran, great, he killed how many attacking plays by running on the forth, ensuring he didnt get the ball for the 5th?
He was afraid of the ball. He was afraid to make a decision. He was afraid to pull the trigger on anything.

[@mickrom111]

13:02 exactly tackle around the legs or tackle different omg these guys are clearly fried 😅

[@IsaacClark23]

The copium is strong with you miserable blues fans. Can’t wait for the excuses when Qld pump the blues again in game 2.

[@TheBlackguard]

Coping blues fans are still far more tolerable than gloating Queenslanders who had a game handed to them. Shoe on the other foot and Queensland would never shut up about it.

[@davidjurd9033]

To put things into perspective the incident with Greg Inglis of Kempsey fame who ironed out Dean Young was a lot more worse than suaalli’s hit, Inglis didn’t even get sent off for that incident but he got suspended for 8 weeks and that was after a downgrade
Suaalli received a 4 game ban, I think he shouldn’t have got sent, but 10 mins sin bin

[@bellingdog]

Yeah, but remember when Gallen punched Nate Myles in the face and nothing happened. Then the game banned punching onwards, so Qld could never get him back. Nowadays we just accept punching someone is a bin at the least. Looking back 10 years when we now know how bad concussions are now is like saying, remember when we just had a camp fire for food? Why can't we set a fire inside the house now and cook?

[@davidjurd9033]

@@bellingdog and you still don’t get suspended for fighting lol and to make a comparison to Inglis and suaali’s.
1 was in a nrl game and he wasn’t sent off oppose to a state of origin game and we both know that there is a difference of ruling. The spectacle from the purest of the game was ruined 7 minutes into the match

[@bellingdog]

@@davidjurd9033 you do get suspended for throwing a punch. What are you on? Your family needs you, get off the stuff now.

[@Macca852]

The fact that everyone agrees it was a send-off if there was a way to replace the player sent off shows it was the right call. Knowing you will be responsible for ruining the game should be a suitable deterrence.

[@towzer89]

I don't think its that complicated, just find some new rule that punishes the person and team who did the bad thing, but doesn't end the game at MINUTE 7!. Something like "If its a send off, but its in the 1st half they get a different 13th man for the 2nd half", or "10mins off and he can't play the rest of origin", or "He is gone and you now have 3 on the bench". Just some rule that lands somewhere between 10 in the bin, and deciding the game at minute 7.

[@willjackson5231]

Think it’s so easy to talk about “speaking for the game” once it has gone against your team. The same people who are taking issue with this decision being made in Origin are the same people who probably have an issue with inconsistent refereeing in the NRL - you can’t have it both ways. We can’t act like the Origin and NRL are mutually exclusive either - they have repercussions for one another, both with refereeing standards and suspensions.

[@josephpayne4267]

Kemp has no idea about this issue and embarrassed himself with his take. The other boys are 100% correct

[@matatau_]

Lol no they’re not

[@wattsupbro]

Kemp mate I think the main the T&E are trying to point out is that no one is disagreeing that Sualii's hit was cooked, send him off that's fine cause Walsh ultimately didn't return on the field.
But replace Sualii.
No one wants to watch a 13 v 12 game (maybe QLD). There is too much money in the game to have games decided by a mismatch in player numbers.
I think about NFL - players get sent off for dangerous helmet to helmet shots, next player up. At no stage does it deviate from 11 v 11. You see the impact on the game due to player skill (e.g a starter comes off and a 1st or 2nd string player steps up). If the team loses, then at least you know it was due to player skill and not cause you played a man down.
inb4 "NFL squads are 52", well we have extended benches - let's use them.
With the non-contact injuries peaking this year (hamstrings, groins etc.), having a 2nd rower out in the centres or forward rotation absolutely thrown out of wack cause of a 13 v 12 scenario just doesn't seem logical.

[@bb198]

fuck off, if the sides were reversed all we would be hearing is the NSW fans gloating and attacking the offending player....its literally just who do you support and therefore it was the right or the wrong call...most people cant even see their own biases.

[@SoOwOoSwaGGa]

I'm a die hard Queenslander and I totally agree with Tom & eddy that AK ruined the game no one wants a blow out

[@brentrobinson8805]

The beak is just choosing his own narrative and is good at this argument. It’s like saying to Walsh don’t go for it and don’t use all your speed like it’s just something that happened and it will happen again. I’d love to wait to see it on the other foot.

[@matteograsso8686]

What would happen to viewership if... QLD go on to win this series, then next year in game I a QLDer gets sent off 5mins in at Suncorp and Blues go on to win. People would think twice before buying $549 family passes or $319 gold class single seats.

[@bb198]

@@matteograsso8686 thats stupid. State of Origin will sell out the next year because each year is a new series....its the premier sporting contest in the country, its going to sell out every year....

[@matteograsso8686]

@@bb198 Just say QLD go on to win this year after the 'match defining' send off in game I. Then next year the same happens - a player gets sent early and the opposition team wins the game and series - People would not invest as much energy and money into the game. QLD lost games I and II in 2014 and game III at Suncorp didn't sell out. Game III was in QLD in 2018 and 2021 when QLD had already lost and it didn't sell out. So no, Origin doesn't always sell out.

[@ZacHart91]

Boys, imagine if Hammer laid out Cleary, you had Burton to cover him and after 10 mins he's back on the field without a try being conceded...

[@ewokssfan1642]

I was There I Saw A Brutal Tackle on my Feet to applaud. He was sent off I was like come on 10 in the bin. Now that I look back I think the send off was right. But I hated that we only had 12 men If we’re allowed to get Button out there I think it would have been fine

[@sameerkunwar82]

So what Kempy is trying to say is that if at any time a player gets ruled out of the game due to an action by an opposing player…its an immediate send off cause it disadvantages the other team??

[@mickrom111]

3:51 4 minutes into this video and I’ve sent myself off 🤦🏽‍♂️💥🤔

[@alexhirini129]

The argument has to be that it's not a consistent punishment. If he does that tackle 2 mins into the game, or 2 mins left in the game he gets sent off but the punishment inflicted is completely different. So the solution is the player get's ejected , then after 20 mins another player can come on.

[@BluesGetOrigin]

The solution is very simple: send off and 10 min sin bin. Suali’i gets sent off for the whole game and the Blues are down a player for 10 min
That way Suali’i gets punished by not playing and they lose their starting Center all game, but the game isn’t over and they can bring someone in 10 min later

[@jonathonclark1097]

I can’t believe the amount of people attacking Kempy, Hello sport guys have become so cringe they’re unbearable, I was a huge supporter back in the early days now they wear maroon tracksuits and wear sunglasses inside????? CRINGE. Why should the rules of origin be different to the rules of a normal game? Should the grand final be allowed to have head highs? Maybe Latrell should have had his suspension overturned in 2021 so he could play The grand final, THE PEOPLE THAT PAY DESERVE TO BE ENTERTAINED!. Seems to me Tom and Eddy don’t get Rugby League…

[@bellingdog]

Right. So according to the Hello Sport Boys, next game, Mitch Moses is taken out, and thr Hello Sport boys are ok with Qld having 13 on the field. Really? Imagine when Cleary is back, guess what the Qld game plan will be. Pick a grub to take him out who really should not be in the team.
Every day of the week Qld and NSW are choosing a 2nd rower who doesn't deserve to be in Origin, but is famous for taking out blokes. Think TPJ last year. You need a send-off or else guess what, we're playing 5 on 5 at the end of the match due to the amount taking players out, and not one is off due to a send off.

[@andreddo10]

I agree.. but the NRL market SOO on the big hits.. the NRL need to shift their approach from the top

[@GG-mf3rz]

10 min sin bin won’t deter teams taking out opposition players. Next time someone gets their head taken off they might not get up.

[@OtterSC2]

Bro of COURSE it was intentional how is this even a question why tf should qld concede that he wasnt intentionally going for his head

[@arealisticapproach]

Good work denan.
How these guys can try reason that qld should lose Walsh and be punished over nsw in the end is laughable

[@lucasellis4035]

Martin's hit was pretty good, but I'm pretty sure Hammers' third try was a pretty big hit. Big enough to kill a certain dribbly stream at least.

[@Lorenzogino]

you can always tell who is in it for the spectacle vs who is in it for the sport, and as ever its why NSW doesn't get Origin.

[@ipwnism]

So you can punch on in origin and hiss hoss a bloke with the intention of hurting him and only get 10 in the bin
But you make a great text book tackle with no intention of it resulting in a freak accidental injury and u get sent?
What kind of message is that sending

[@LiquidAcid1]

Good poddy lads! Pain.

[@Bigscreentv23]

Player safety needs to come first. NSW supporter here. Was a shocking tackle and we send off any day of the week, origin or not. Players need to learn not to do these things. Reece Walsh could have been killed.

[@dustinmartin6524]

Lads the refs job is to follow the rules not put on the best show possible. Klein isn’t sitting there going “ah well I won’t send him since it might hurt ratings” and if he did then I should hope we would all want him sacked. Thats not his job, that shouldn’t be his job. It’s a send off tackle, player safety comes before spectacle every day of the week

[@ZenixxBrah]

"Hello Sooks Podcast"

[@mickrom111]

Also a Qlder why Andrew John’s in the nsw camp helping Cleary with tips etc and nothing for hynes.

[@mickrom111]

13:56 surely these guys are made memes 😅

[@cowan8892]

Best product includes having walsh on the field playing. We were robbed of that from an intentional reckless head shot that could of done so much more damage than just the knock out. I don't care if it "ruined" nsw chance. The only person to blame here is Suualii

[@mariahellas2832]

The best way to keep the spectacle is for no one to be sent off. The best way for no one to be sent off is to play the game right. The easiest way to play the game right is to not be reckless. And the best way to not be reckless is to practice your defensive plays and focus on your own footy instead of fearing what qld might do. In the end it’s a game of mm but it’s the peak of our game you have to get it right both for your state and for the game itself. It’s not your regular Sunday afternoon game everyone is watching you and you better hope they are watching you do it right and not go for cheap shots. I love the boys but their take on this is trash keep at them kempy hopefully they come to understand after their salty bitch period.