Jigoro Kano's throwing techniques VS Modern throwing techniques
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- This video discusses the set ups for throws established by Jigoro Kano, and the modern method.
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Very true about getting older. I am 64 and I must rely on movement to create kuzushi. I study the videos of Mifune and Hirano to develop my technique. They had a very deep understanding of the subtleties of kuzushi. Foot placement, timing, lifting an elbow,slightly at the right moment, etc. can lead to that pretty, effortless Judo.
"learn the Kano way and you can do every other way." Beautiful! Thanks
I love Judo more than BJJ
Me too! Bjj is just basically a downgraded version of judo meant for lovemaking
The ideal judo that Jigoro Kano originally sought was one that would allow him to do all of the following: striking, standing joints, throwing, and ground-waza. However, it was left unfinished due to GHQ's intervention.
GHQ’s?
Hi Chadi, 5 years in Judo maybe but modestly you omit to mention your time in Japan and all the study that you do to create these videos. Your knowledge and experience is way beyond 5 years.
I really appreciate these words, thank you
@@Chadi
Too long is not good for a reporter because he describes just himself.
Alexander von der Groeben was good in Eurosport as reporter of the "Fightclub" because he did not talk about judo.
Günther Netzer as commentator in football? He earned money because he was a famous face. I remember when Rudy Völler criticized him even if his stories sounded well in the modern times.
Nostalgia is totally different from reality. Mysteries can help also but ..
However people who don't know what we speak of are really a shit unless they are acceptably funny.
sacrificing throwing a black belt (when I first started) is still my favorite Judo memory.
The biggest mistake in this video is right at the beginning. At that time, Judo was not thought of as a sport/competition. That is a modern view of it. Unfortunately, BJJ is heading the same direction. When people talk about it now, even in MMA, it is from a purely sport BJJ persepective.
I think this was your best vídeo!
This is a good video, Chadi. The first throw Kamikawa did was a Hanegoshi, so I'm not sure why he's saying it's his personal Uchi Mata. The circular Uchi Mata he did do is nothing he created or specific to him...Kano discussed throws from circles, as did Mifune. Of course this is taken further in the singular hip throws of Ueshiba's Aiki. In the combat and street versions of these throws, the more you circle and throw, the harder it is to keep balance afterward. If you hold in a Judo match to make it clear to the judges, that is much different than grounding and trying to stay standing in a street fight, which you want to do, if your aim is survival. This is a topic avoided by most BJJ people I've talked to over the last thirty years, who want to grab the person, get heavy, go to the ground and stay there; a street defense that has at this point gotten a lot of people hurt and killed.
It never made sense to me to roll around on concrete or asphalt with all kinds of other unnoticed filth and debris. It seems some BJJ schools feed an ego-need to use it instead of defusing and/or avoiding. But today, in the cities primarily, with all the crime, people are being shot and held up at gunpoint, car-jacked, home invasions, etc. Seems other measures are needed.
@@senecaknowsbest8380 I agree. And that's precisely what the old masters thought, and why they trained self defense instead of sport.
The principles laid down by the great ancestor like Gigoro Kano, Tori Mifune, to my humble experience, almost the same. May be the rule and the generations are changing, mostly for good. Best regards. Paul, 68, retired instructor of Karate partly trained in Judo.
Nothing more satisfying than watching users of the Dark Side realize that it's not going to work forever. Great video, my friend!
Excellent video, thank you.
I don't even do judo but I found the video interesting!
Excellent Chadi.
In the Dan Zan Ryu jujitsu I took, there IS the modern unbalancing "jerk" BUT it always seemed like we were moving backwards as we also did the jerk motion.
Bronze! I'd actually like to see a video comparing the different styles of uchimata.
Also, comparing foot sweeps in wrestling, sambo and Judo would be interesting. Hellen Morales is known in wrestling for her foot sweeps
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You got it
A few of those Uchimatas were actually Hanei goshis, but that's probably not what you were asking for. 😎
Entonces por lo que veo; cuando usas fuerza bruta para forzar la Nage, el oponente se resiste y solo termina siendo un derribo inofensivo porque tu oponente se prepara para la caida, pero cuando usas el impulso hacia donde el peso de tu oponente se dirige consigues un verdadero Nage que puede ser letal, ya que tu oponente no esta preparado para caer sin control.
Pd: El Judo que practico es Tradicional.
Gracias Chadi
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Sensei I didn´t know Judo has Kata, really. In Karate is something common and there are a lot of throws techniques that crossed over from Judo to Karate and even Aikido; maybe is something cultural. Greetings from Venezuela, sensei
Competition sport judo has no Kata. Kata is Dan-judo. Sport and game is for the youth and Kata is for the professors ("masters"). Senseis either work as trainers or (and) have to do Katas (even Putin who should be a kind of sensei according to Kodokan). In Fencing to there is the "Maitre d'Armes" no "Sensei". Sensei is an ancient.
I’m 46 and just started watching Judo in the last year or so and really really would like to learn it.
I do have some grappling experience but I have a lot of injuries
Realistically, would this be a sport I can do? It looks like things can go wrong.
Things can absolutely go wrong if you're careless and aren't taught properly.
In the beginning you'll learn to fall. After a while, even with injuries; you'll become comfortable with being thrown by certain techniques.
And no one would force you to do randori (sparring).
You could take it at your own pace.
And there's also an element of grappling which you'd enjoy, pins, arm locks, and chokes.
My Sensei Ellis was taught by Professor ToshitakaYamauchi and Professor Haruo Imamura . Professor Yamauchi was a direct student of Jigoro Kano the founder of Kodokan Judo. And also my sensei was taught by Master Al Huang Tai Chi and Ed Parker Kenpo Karate. My Sensei formed a style using both styles founding the style of KENJU! Kodokan judo an Kenpo Karate!.
Where is this school?
Its now closed Sensei stop teaching but hes got Multiply book on the net in philosophy on Barnes and nobles and Amazon internet type Kirk Ellis philosophy!!! He has 12 books!!!@@flakerflip01
Wow, 30 is old for judo? Must be a very tough martial art 🥋 💀
That is nonsense. This has nothing to do with Judo in particular. Even in Tennis they believed this in the 70th. Take Björn Borg? But then take Rafael Nadal.
i would love to see more example like this. ❤🙏
You created a very good show,where giving the details and such is the seasoning.
Which judo/jiu jitsu is based on no strength. Rorion and Rickson has pointed this out. Yes there's some strength by leveraging holds. Wrestling is muscle and leverage. Watch old videos where guys worked to exhaustion where there wasn't any strength left. They had to rely on technique.
Which there's what, 8 directions of unbalancing? Then there's a throw for each direction, I'd there not? Break it down like that, wha-la! 🙂🙂🙂
The hardest in the Nage-no-kata for me are Kata-guruma and Yoko-gake.
From 4:30-4:55 is a Hane-goshi not an Uchi-mata.
Great!
The principles never change
Going the mc d's drive tru tomorrow,,when I get to intercom I am saying 'it's chadi' followed by order lol
As far as I know Kano's idea was taking the strength and force of your opponent and use it for yourself. This is what Greco wrestlers claim to be their nower principle.
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Of course Kano was an important man in jiujitsu and also in olympic fighting.
However I would say that Kano was as good in judo as Emil Beck in fencing.
Professor Toshitaka Yamauchi was Head Instructor of Rafu Dojo! In California L.A. IN 1930!
The toughest guys I've ever met were at wrestling mentality and physically.
The judo club I train at is very technical and welcoming, very nice people but not that big.
I've trained Brazilian jiu-jitsu for five years trained in Brazil once for two and a half months .was a very good experience and good training with multiple black belts and high-level competitors.
Now.........
Bjj, I have met some very nice people, but....I don't know what it is about Brazilian jiu-jitsu, but I've meet some of the BIGGEST weirdo freaks wannabe tough guy's creeps
Cultsh behavior back stabing people straight out lying scumbag control freaks.
Honestly, I enjoy Brazilian jiu-jitsu. I would love to train catch wrestling some Sambo, but you have to make do with what is available.
I read an interesting interview with a middle weight overall open class MMA- top champion (I think he was from Iran or so). Between (71?) 73 kg and 81 (-83) kg I mean.
It was before the introduction of the weight classes.
He meant that it is seen on long term much more difficult for a lighter top athlete in MMA because he needs much more efford, concentration and discipline than the top heavy weights. Also the chance for injuries would be higher for the lighter top fighter.
He estimated to be able to beat a top heavyweight champion in about 30 percent of the fights or with this probability. The major part of the victories would go on the acount of the bigger top guys weighing often double as much.
In terms of earning he appreciated the weight classes. The same was with the 80 kg Thai box champions who sometimes took their chance - not impossible but rare.
And remember Muhammad Ali. His comments to actual title fights were always ridiculous however funny.
Woooo!!!! First comment
First comment on the first comment!!! 😆
@@ynghuch woooo!!!!
Funny I was thinking about the same just a day ago , basically how to use kata in shiai ,almost 30 now & not as explosive as I used to be 😢
What was the Judoka used for the foot sweep example called? Fabio but what was his last name? 5:40
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@@josenildo6558 thank you!
And there is ond point. The stronger need less strength unless they have to fight against opponents having the same strength or more.
Who is stronger Saito or Riner? Saito is strong but has to fight with strength because his opponents are nowadays athletic and strong not like his junior opponents.
I guess Star Trek was right in the future everyone would have super advanced space karate because their so much farther ahead
4.37 isn't n Uchi Mata, it's a Hane Goshi.
I got silver!
Wooooo!!!!
Lots of judo throws now look like Greco Roman
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Do you know any good judo clubs in London
Budokwai
In judo there is no right way to do things, but there are countless wrong ways
Competition Judo, is a distortion and a forcing of the original Judo. 😒
modern judo has gone the way of western-wrestling; no technique / all power [IMO]
You will see that it is not so. However in wrestling and judo on highest level technique and strength go together in a subtiel way. There is the tempo and the moment that is to find and then the technique must come as effective and maybe as efficient as possible.
The only bad point is that the counters are very developed that there are too many boring defensive fights.