🌎 Get an exclusive 15% discount on Saily data plans! Use code gradea at checkout. Download Saily app or go to saily.com/gradea ⛵ Can you think of any group more annoying than vegans that I should make a video on? Drop a comment and I might do so. Peace bois.
As a former vegan who had a Whatsapp group with other vegans, I remember someone called me a fascist for feeding meat to my cat, when they are literally OBLIGATE CARNIVORES, others just had opinions I agreed with but most expressed it in such an obnoxious and annoying way
A lot of vegans are straight up delusional. I’ve seen them try and keep going children and infants on vegan diets only for those kids to ends up malnourished and looking like skeletons
shh.. don't tell him or he will delete the video. Man this channel turned out to be a complete shit. How can one spend hours of cutting a video and 0 hours of using your brain to think.
True we already tried wiping out wolves in an area and it backfired so bad they had to bring them back. TLDR don't try to play god and let nature do it's thing
I'm no vegan but I understand the main goal of vegans is to end the suffering, not killing. I don't think anybody likes the conditions that commercial animal farming provides to the livestock
@@ShriKaav Doesn't mean everybody has to be forced to become a fanatic vegan. There are plenty of good farmers, who care for the wellbeing of their animals and it's a mean prejudice to say that all farm animals have to suffer.
@@Bingo2501 Yeah, but most vegans are avoiding shit like grocery store meat and dairy that comes from massive factory farms. Obviously, if you're only buying animal products from small local farms that are verified to be taking good care of their animals, then you're contributing to ending the unnecessary suffering of animals. Some people would just prefer to not bother with the price or effort though.
The thing is sharks are already threatened from extinction because of humans. So we should NOT kill apex predators like sharks. They are very important and here for a reason not only to keep the circle of life going but also saving the coral reefs that would die by the fish that eat them if they wouldn't have an apex predator. Without corals nothing can survive in the sea just like nothing could on land without trees
But when apex predators die, the environment feeds off them. Whales aren't apex predators but they're the best example of a corpse BECOMING an ecosystem.
Use to be vegan for 7 years. First two years I thought I was morally superior than others. After that, I would only debate it if someone brought it up. Didn’t want to be seen as an a-hole. The last 2 years I just stopped caring and continued doing it for my health. This summer I just stopped completely. It’s too much work and tbh no one cares. Everyone is going through their own problems. I’m just glad I can go to social outings again and eat some delicious food with friends and family.
This is why I always prefer a reduced meat diet to an actual vegetarian diet. get the same health benefits without needing to worry about the specialized nutrients that are harder to get from plant based food and get to enjoy a delicious steak now and then.
@@user-10021 True! That’s what it sounded like to me. It’s no surprise that the OP is no longer vegan given that I’d suspect they didn’t have solid reasons for going vegan in the first place.
@@Batmann_ Very few people do that, but keep living in your bubble bro. My girlfriend is vegetarian, and she never judged me or others for eating meat. Why would she? She's not a dumbass. You on the other hand judge every vegan and vegetarian based on the few outliers you came across on social media. You yourself said that "Absolutes are always wrong", well isn't that fucking hilarious? Grow up and touch some grass please.
I think their argument would be that killing sharks would cause the fish population to spike and they'd become overpopulated. Which raises the question of why it's ok for sharks to eat fish, but not us.
These videos feel less like Grade making an effort to understand vegans and more like him regurgitating a viewpoint about veganism by an extraterrestrial who bung-probed a vegan once back in 2011.
@@Finkelfunk 1000%. He never addresses the strongest arguments for veganism, he just makes a lot of red herring arguments and focuses on strawman vegans.
@@johnchesterfield9726 ok, here is your chance. Tell me the strongest arguments for veganism. I (in my own life) have seen zero positives and only negatives. Every Vegan I have ever met has been pushy, arrogant, and Mal-nourshied. Change my mind.
Predators and their prey populations create feedback loops. If prey populations get too big it can cause the extinction of their food source from over consumption leading to their own extinction. The food chains in nature have been honed by nature over thousands of years and the animals in them fill important niches. If a predators main food sources populations get too low they will end up starving and dying off leading to the prey populations being able to rebound leading to a stable population of each animal. If humans overhunt an animal that doesn't effect us because we can eat basically ANYTHING birds, fish, bugs, grazers, mushrooms, fruit, vegetables, nuts, etc. Over-fishing can destabilize fish populations while sharks actually stabilize them. Otherwise great video, love your stuff Grade
This is so freaking weird, why is the video in 16:9 aspect ratio. Got surprised it filled-up my screen. I though you now upload in 1080p lmao still at 480p thank god! HAHAHA
I wouldn't call it "chill" when you are telling everyone that you are a vegan, that you should be one too, and that if you're not vegan then you are contributing to climate change, animal cruelty, and hate. That's not chill. And some of the chillest people I know are meat eaters, lol. Mainly because they aren't deficient in some vitamins and minerals, so they're not unbalanced.
So Im glad you had a good experience ...I just wish your experiences dictated the rest of the majority that's been reported. Ignorant shortsighted shite.
yes they can lmao, but for some reason, a lot of fellow meat eaters are just ignorant as fuck about the reasoning behind veganism. I mean, why the FUCK do we even care what other people eat? This question is also aimed at those specific vegans who judge others for their eating habits. So pretty much, it's just dumbasses on both sides.
And the next best question is why? What makes humans so special in comaprsion to other omnivores? They love to claim were animals yet when this happens they claim we aren't. It's hypocrisy.
@@coletrainhetrick other omnivores have to hunt for their prey. their prey is free to do whatever it wants until it is eaten. Humans trap animals and force them to live in these giant factory farms where they can barely even move. that's a pretty big difference.
Why is Grade pretending like he doesn't understand veganism as a concept? The whole point is to reduce animal suffering from the humans side and let the ecosystem take care of itself. Its really not a hard concept to understand
Because humans not eating animals won't fucking solve that. It's going to take A LOT MORE than simply not eating animals to accomplish what that pretentious and ignorant goal stands for. If you think humans are the only thing thats violent towards animals, you shouldn't be eating at all and should save us the air.
First of all, pretty sure the video is a joke. But what you're saying in reality has a lot of problems. Is allowing the ecosystem to run its natural course always a good thing? I bet a lot of organisms, if they could have opinions, would say no. And are humans not animals and thereby part of the ecosystem? Humans do lots of things to help other creatures, often by helping with wildfire control, population control, or rehabilitating and protecting individual animals, families, and sometimes entire species. Yeah humans have screwed up many times, but we do a lot of good too. So this idea that allowing the ecosystem to run on without human intervention will reduce animal suffering is really pretty flawed.
@MrDrProfJMF Animals have done just fine for millions of years before humans evolved. I'm not even vegan, but this notion that we as humans are "helping", is just our deluded moral superiority. You mention things like humans protecting entire species. If that's because the species was endangered because of other humans, then fair enough, but if the species is dying out from natural causes then we're not doing anything but making ourselves feel important. Animals suffer every day because the circle of life has always been a thing. Getting eaten by another animal isn't going to be enjoyable, but it is natural. It's just about preventing the unnecessary suffering that's caused by humans, in my opinion, the kind of suffering that is just there for entertainment (hunting for sport or making accessories).
He's joking about vegans, showing how absurd their ideology is. Which it is. Vegans care a lot about animals until they don't. Their WHOLE thing is the protection of animals. JUST FROM HUMANS THOUGH, even if humans aren't hurting them. So if you point at "Well this shark is ripping other animals apart to eat them, is that ok?" And they go "Yeah that's nature, that's perfectly fine." "..... Well HYENAS eat animals ALIVE for food. That's okay?" "Yeah that's nature, that's perfectly fine." "......This farmer is raising cows for food in a humane way." "HE'S A FUCKING SCUMBAG THAT SHOULD FUCKING DIE YOU INHUMAN PIECE OF TRASH!" No joke, that's literally what they say. Them being SO human centric IS the hypocrisy. Vegans DON'T care about animals, they care about yelling at other humans to feel superior to them. That's it. It's not about protecting animals, it's about themselves.
A video against vegans? I can’t wait to see what’s next. Maybe an expose on Spider-Man x Elsa videos. Or perhaps a response to Ricegum’s latest music video? And what’s Daddyofive been up to? Can’t think of anything else I’d rather have in this, the year of our Lord two-thousand-and-sixteen.
Can you tell me, do you have a good argument against Name The Trait (watch Alex O’ Connor’s video “A Meat Eater’s Case for Veganism”). This is the only argument for veganism that I think is actually very strong, and I want to be able to refute it but I can’t.
@@Longshanks1690 That’s fair if you don’t care enough to engage the best arguments for veganism, but then I think it wouldn’t be fair for others to criticize veganism without actually hearing the best arguments for that position, you know what I mean? It would be like if I criticized you for something that I knew nothing about.
Letting the Shark eat them _is_ being kind. The Shark gets his meal and the fish don't breed and breed and breed until there's no food left and the whole species are wiped out. One dies for the good of the many! (Paraphrased from Dr Spock, 1982!)
i usually agree with your points and/or understand your point of view. But these are some bad af takes. And im not even vegan myself. No apex predator is an actual danger to animal populations like the human. If a predator species gets out of hand, culling actions are taken. So thats already happening. Not all vegans are angry and loud about their opinion. You only ever hear of the particular loud/angry ones, thats why you get that image. Leather is a nice product actually, just not for couches, agreed. It is far superior to synthetic leather in areas like boots and belts. Imo, the biggest selling point for vegan/vegetarianism isnt the "suffering" of animals. i honestly don't really care about that. But the logistics and inefficiency of nutrition in meats. The amount of food a cow needs compared to what you get out of its meat is incredibly inefficient. We waste a lot of space growing food for animals than for humans. I could never live without meat, cheese, eggs and milk. But i try to buy more local stuff and less overall. Im not saying to commit to a 100% vegan life and end up with malnutrition, just to not get McDonald's every weekend.
@mizzLopez please think for yourself for a moment. This is a video poking fun about how vegan views are wrong and have stupid views on certain things. But then he brings out the worst possible factually incorrect examples to bring his points forward... come on man, you have to be smarter than this. Like yeah it's not serious but it's also supposed to be bringing some points up too so that he can bring a discussion around his points
Meat isn't inefficient. The concept that you can maximize your food efficiency is just retarded. There's a reason half the species on earth are adapted to eat other animals. It's because surviving off plants is REALLY fucking hard and doing it makes it basically your entire life. Having more options to eat makes your entire existence easier by default. The reason we grow food for cows is because it's incredibly cheap to do, then the cow does the actual hard part, then we can slaughter the cow and get all those benefits at a substantially reduced investment. Apparently you just don't know how eating works. We DON'T waste anything by feeding cows THINGS THAT WE CANNOT FUCKING EAT. It's MORE efficient because we can't eat grass, but grass is piss easy to grow in absurd quantities. Space just isn't an issue. We have more of it than we know what to do with. Turns out, planets, are big. So the world is not going to end just because we're not using every square inch of our land to grow produce DIRECTLY for human consumption. That would be harmful to humans, because we would become unhealthy. Now if you wanna say americans in particular eat TOO MUCH meat, yes that's correct, objectively. Americans eat too much of EVERYTHING really. It's kinda the biggest health problem we have. Vegans, also, do NOT advocate for being "nicer" to animals but still farming them. They do not. They want NO farms, period. They scream this relentlessly, and they do not care how "nice" a farmer is to his animals or the happiness of the animals or anything. They INHERENTLY want farming to end entirely because it's not about animals, it's about them. Grade's jokes are jokes, but the underlying point that they don't actually care about animal SUFFERING is on point. They don't. They care about being "better" than everyone else. This is entirely a human thing, it has nothing to do with animals.
I just noticed that you finally upgraded the aspect ratio to 16:9 on this video. This video actually looks nicer now because of the lack of black bars on the side. Such a small detail that I'm appreciate of. :)
@@Mickelraven I just noticed that the character in your profile picture is kind of hot, and frankly, I would enjoy stretching it to see what potential brown stuff drops.
I’m a vegan, I don’t speak for all vegans but here’s my answers. Prop 1 (saving the shark): Sharks are apart of a natural order. Vegans want to minimize human induced animal suffering because we have the ability to make decisions based on ethics. Whereas a shark is just doing its job. Humans don’t need to live to eat animals, sharks do. Prop2(annoying vegan): this is such a straw man lol. Sorry you had a bad experience with an internet vegan. Prop3(leather): leather does suck. It’s uncomfortable.
Veganism and other diets are personal choises. Except for some vocal minority, most vegans, don't talk about their diets all that much, or force their cats to be vegans :D
@@mizzLopez i feel like a lot of the internet calmed down after 2012 - 2016 🤔 what grade speaks of is the stereotype we all had back then. Vegan gains was a villan due to the things he got flack for, but on the other side, the people who critizised him propably did or acted quite "energetically" themselves. Thinking of people like TJ Kirk for example.
the logic at 5:40 is so hilariously bad. usually grade at least makes some sensible points that can contest some flimsy logic for veganism, but this is SO bad. if you're NOT helping humans by trying to find the cure for cancer when you have the ability to do so, can you really say that you love humans? obviously, YES. you extrapolate the logic to any point and it completely falls apart. the average vegan is vegan because of some minor dietary concerns (better digestive health, heart health, etc), religion, or want to reduce their carbon footprint. they do so silently. i'm not even vegan, but the complete misrepresentation of veganism just SCREAMS 2016 and a lack of any nuance at all. get mad at vegans who scream at you for your decisions, but don't think that every vegan is out to get you. they're just living their lives bro.
@@zach4279 Is the joke the fact nothing he's saying actually makes any sense? This video is just one retarded take after another, and I'm not even a Vegan. He's just not making any sense.
Yeah, being a vegan makes no sense. Animals eat animals, humans are animals, there's really nothing to be upset about. It is reasonable to be upset about the awful ways some companies treat animals, but expecting humans to not eat animals for no good reason is just ridiculous lol
Hello, long time viewer, first time commenter. I feel that this, like many half-joking parody videos, is going to get interpreted by some folks like valid points. Possibly used to rationalize a pre-existing hate or misunderstanding of vegans. I figure its worth a shot to just reply. Regarding that shark: 99% sure it wasnt vegans that saved it. Regarding Apex Predators: in terms of vegan priorities, i personally dont see the saving of apex predator as strictly relevant to veganism. The main vegan goal is to reduce manmade harm and suffering. To me, Hunting apex predators is bad, because thats done at the hands of a person. Intentionally causing suffering is not good, but letting nature play its course is fine. The reason behind this, to me, is that nonhuman animals lack the moral agency to distinguish between "ethical" and "nonethical". You wont see a shark eating exclusively kelp and algae because 1) they won't see their calories for immediate survival as "bad" and 2) their digestive systems wont allow it. Are we able to agree on that? Leading from the second point above, your second point in the video was also about adequate nutrition. I easily get all the nutrients i need without animals, save for B12, which i take a supplement for, and D3, which pretty much everyone is recommended to take a supplement for, but mine is sourced from lichen. The source of B12 is bacterial fermentation - through animals if you eat them, or it can be synthesized using the same processes without the animal. Lentils, beans, tofu/tempeh, seitan, peas, and nuts are all good, cheap sources of protein if your big concern is big gains! Unlike sharks, there's a lot we can digest. To me, it looks like a lot of nutrition concerns and hesitancy are a result from cultural upbringings too - U.S. food leans very meat heavy that its a center of every meal and learning what else is out there could seem daunting, but its doable! Agreed on your last point - leather sucks and screw faux leather couches too i dont my ass sounding like a basketball court when i sit up straight Anyway thanks for reading my rant. my b12 deficient ass needs to get back to milking almonds for the season
Saving animals is mainly meant for agricultural livestock, not apex predators... Just go find out about live of a diary cow, it's just pure torture. Animals in forests live their lives by their instincts and all the prey of apex predators is living their own life in the wild. However, livestock on farms is just being tortured and literally used for eggs/milk/etc and once the animals die from exhaustion, the meat is processed for people to eat. And remember, the meat and produce of an animal will be stained by this immensely stressful life. The main point of veganism is to stop supporting the torturous practices of egg, dairy, etc industry. I won't elaborate the life of a dairy cow in detail, but if you'd like, feel free to do some research about its life and try to imagine yourself leading such "life". Just search for Erin Janus on YT, she explaines it briefly.
@mizzLopez were upset because he wasn't joking last video, and he's not joking here. Veganism has its issues yes but he made some stupid points here in the guise of a "joke" to make it not seem like it's his opinion. Coincidentally, that's exactly how Trump encouraged a bunch of nazis to storm the capital to overturn the outcome of an election. It's not what he said, but the ways and mannerisms and tactics he chose to use in speaking. It's saying something without specifically saying the words and therapists all over the world will tell you that it's definitely a defense tactic to cover up his evil deeds.
@@hvymtl-lvr i liked him but recently its not funny, repeating the fascist propaganda against Harris was not exactly funny at all. and im not vegan not even vegetarian, but this was just stupid and ignorant.
@hvymtl-lvr he's not joking though. Old grade used to joke. If grade was joking, he would have started off BOTH of his roast videos with "she lies and has no plan" and "he lies and has no plan" because they're BOTH EQUALLY JUST as bad as each other when it comes to having a plan and telling the truth. The joke was RIGHT there. Instead, he went on to make "joke" videos about his real views on kamala and Trump. Which, shockingly, like this video, were based on his feelings and NOT facts because it is a FACT that they both lie and don't have a plan. And while I don't like veganism, there ABSOLUTELY are good benefits to it, but, COMPLETELY cutting out meat is not the way to go. We weren't born for an all plant diet, but its also a FACT that it does have certain benefits. He isn't joking. He's saying things without saying things, like trump does when he orders his nazis to do things and doesn't want the blame. "He never used those EXACT words" but that's 1000% how he feels and what he means.
As a non meat eater, this is how I approach life: Do whatever the hell you want, whatever you enjoy, as long as no one suffers. However, for one animal to survive and get food, another has to suffer and die, that's just the nature of life. It's impossible to eliminate suffering altogether, you can only control what part you play in it.
I don't think the point of veganism is to minimize total animal suffering and more to minimize animal suffering caused by humans, after all that's what vegans have control over. Of course this is just my perspective as a vegetarian, so I can't speak for everyone
If i’m being real, normal vegans tend to be chill and not even tell people unless someone needs to know. Most meat eaters are more aggressive about how much i should just eat meat, like let me live
@@flat31rules Exactly this. Most meat eaters don’t realize it because they are the status quo, but there’s far more aggressive meat eaters who feel the need to judge vegans. This is way more common than the reverse, so if there was consistency, then we should be more mad about meat eaters who do it. But no, it’s a double standard.
@@johnchesterfield9726fr i’m sat there eating my dinner at a family dinner sometimes and get a random uncle in my ear about having no meat like just let me eat 😭
Im going to call cap man. You don't see meat eaters standing in front of a produce truck blocking traffic. You don't see meat eater going inside restaurants with a megaphone screaming at people enjoying food they paid for. Hell I've seen vegans wonder if they can sue their neighbors because the smell of meat offended them. Stop acting like vegans are an innocent group of people. Let's be honest Vegans are often the harassers and annoyance. Meat eaters tend to only call vegans out when they do stupid shit.
The thing about apex predators like sharks is that their hunting of animals is completely natural and essential to the ecological system. Humans tend to hunt more than these apex predators and therefore pose an ecological disturbance. If humans continue to hunt animals in the wild, then what would those apex predators eat? Not a vegan btw, just saying
In addition to that, humans are the only species which is able to reflect on its behaviour and counteract it's natural instincts resulting in the responsibilitiy of at least considering not harming others more than needed for survival. Also not a vegan, but one shouldn't call them generally dumb (except the ones that try to argue with you about what you are eating ew).
@@stealthboy5767 I bet dogs (the main carriers for rabies) are scary too, right? There should be a population control for dogs too? It doesn't make much sense, does it
Brother that's the point being made. The only thing you can control to any meaningful degree is how people treat animals, but when people (VeganGains/VeganTeacher) start threatening violence and slander those who don't automatically conform to what they want, people will do things like this to prove how stupid they sound and act
I'm not vegan but i think especially pertaining to the point about saving the shark, the idea is for us as humans to not interfere or cause harm directly to animals and because saving the shark would be indirect it doesn't count towards the type of animal suffering vegans are and quite frankly have good reason to hate.
@@floppypaste indeed, veganes and their followers are such prigs. Rarely seen one, who rly cares for animals but instead trys to show everybody that they are morally superior better beings, who curse at humans, who eat other animals to survive. Woke people and pc gangs aren't any better. 💩
I have a philosophy degree and this is an example of "double effect" which I covered many times. The principle of double effect was figured out by Catholic philosopher St. Thomas Aquinas. It states that although an intended action may result in its intended consequences, it may also result in unintended secondary consequences as well. In this case, the intended consequence was to save the shark's life, but the secondary consequence is that it would live on to eat thousands of other fish. It poses the question as to whether or not the actor who commits the initial action is blameworthy for what follows. (No I don't mean actor as in a movie actor, the word "actor" is the proper term used. I guess a movie actor could still work if it was Alec Baldwin shooting a shark on set lmao). I would argue that the key to solving double effect is to determine if the actor knew, or had good reason to know of the secondary consequences that would occur. If the actor couldn't have known then you can't blame him for what happens after, but if he should have known then he's at fault. P.S. Since I know someone will ask this; "shouldn't God' be to blame for the existence of evil?" In short, God is the only one who can get out of philosophical arguments and fallacies because His powers and being are beyond the limitations of our universe. I know that sounds like a lame answer but trying to wrap your brain around how God works is its own discussion which gets into metaphysics, and that particular question is what's known as "The Problem of Evil". Plus this comment is already getting too long anyway.
Philosophically i've always thought veganism was a dumb idea because it arbitrarily places importance on some forms of life as "off limits" and others not. Philosophically what is so different about eating a plant instead of a cow? Both are forms of life and no form of life WANTS to die, its just that the cow is better at showing that then a plant. And at least for all of nature typically forms of life will never voluntarily give itself up to its predator, which at least to me means every form of life is a murderer from birth including us, again cause the bacteria we cant even see and the plants that cant fight back are forms of life, so even if we eat what vegans eat we are still murderers at the end of the day. And if i am forced by nature to murder, i don't see the point in picking and choosing whats allowed to be murdered for my sustenance.
@@Loopy1330 and if you can't use philosophical arguments and fallacies against god you cannot use philosophical arguments for God either.. how are you gonna prove that god exists now? With empirical evidence?? We both know that isn't possible, so now you're stuck with God being the most irrational concept ever.
If the whole world went vegan, all the animals would die due to the amount of space needed for farming land to get the stuff, let alone the extra CO2 from transporting it all over the world rather than a chicken/pork farm from the farm down the road. You do you tho, i think most peoples hate comes from others trying to force the ideals onto them
I am vegan. I will try to answer your questions: 1. Of all the mammals on earth, only 4% are wild animals. I know nature is brutal, but at least animals in nature are free. A pig for example is born in a concrete pen and lives its entire life in a concrete pen. The pig only gets to leave the concrete pen when it's forced onto transport to the slaughterhouse, where they are gassed. Suffering in nature is natural. We can't kill all predators, because that would destroy ecosystems which would starve and kill a lot more animals. Factory farming on the other hand is completely unnecessary suffering, which can be easily avoided by not breeding and eating animals. 2. Vegans being angry is just a matter of algoritm bias. Angry vegans online get lots of clicks and angry vegans are more likely to go online and harass people. I'm trying to say that the angry vegans you see are probably not representative. Most vegans I know do not talk about the fact that they're vegan, because other people are quick to ridicule and judge. Vegans also won't compliment or encourage you when you eat animals, if that's what you're expecting. On the health side of things I would just like to note that a lot of studies show that a vegan lifestyle is healthier in most cases. I've been vegan for 2 years and I've never felt better. To disbelief of my friends, my gains in the gym have actually increased. Animals don't create essential nutrients out of thin air. The nutrients in meat comes from the plants the animal eats. In this process, a lot of nutrients go to waste (dung and daily energy). To get 1g of beef protein, a cow has to eat 34g of protein. The reason I became vegan is simply because I don't agree with the way factory farmed animals are treated. I couldn't treat an animal that way myself. A lot of people actually agree with me on this. It is just that people don't know how bad the life of a factory farmed animal is. Save a dog from a car on a hot day and you're a hero. Save a pig from suffocation in gaschambers and you're a criminal. Feel free to ask me questions if you do so desire.
looooove it 💚👏👏👏👏! So glad someone explains it well because I keep reading here and there " questions". And lack of education about the farming industry and the horrors what we do to animals.
I got 2 questions. I heard humans need red meat in their diet since it provides essential nutrients. What's your alternative to them? What do you think of plant-based meat? I'm guessing you're fine with it since it doesn't involve factory methods or animal suffering by humans.
One of those rare instances where Grade's rationale is hella weak. Not for or against veganism, just sayin Grade's rationale of establishing that vegans are dumb is weak
Like the points you made on leather. However, as someone who casually plays football, leather for football boots is the bee’s knees. It forms to the exact shape of your foot and is so comfortable it’s beyond a joke, Tangent aside, great video and I know it’s all in good fun 😊
Not a vegan myself nor do I agree with the logic of it, but I do still think I can answer this question. The logic behind why humans should go vegan is because we have the options and resources to do so, something like a Tiger doesn't however, same reason why we don't look at cannibalistic tribes the same way we'd look at a serial killer in America as an example. Now of course we don't really have the resources for all of humanity to go vegan and be healthy so it's kind of null and void, I just figured I might as well explain it.
Sorry, Grade, but where exactly does your Vitamine B12 come from? Meat? Unless you are eating grass-fed beef, not so much. Most of it will come from the exact pellets that vegans take, just that they are given to the animal first. You're basically smoking cigarettes cause you're trying to breath at that point.
Vitamin does not end in an E. Breath and breathe are 2 different words. Vitamin B12 is naturally present in animal foods, including: Fish, such as trout, salmon, and tuna Meat, such as beef liver Poultry Eggs Milk and other dairy products, such as yogurt Shellfish, such as clams and oysters
@@Batmann_ Meat, such as beef liver Poultry Eggs Milk So products from the exact animals that get fed B12 suplements. Are you even listening to what I am saying, to what you are saying? Yeah, like I said before, when they are grass fed, you can get animals to eat the Vitamins that are in the dirt, but industry animals aren't raised that way, so that's why they get fed supplements. If wild fish have Vitamine B12, great, most people don't eat that much fish so it's kinda irrelevant here, as is proven by the fact that it's necessary to suplement B12 in other animals that people actually eat in the first place. This is basically like saying "Oatmilk has natural B12" when that (hypothetically) only applies to certain oats that aren't even widely used in production while almost all oatmilk with B12 has it artificially added to it. The entire "We need to eat meat to get B12" thing is just stupid when you consider that it's artificially added to most peoples food. Just add it yourself and ditch the meat. Or don't, I'm not your mom.
@@hexcodeff6624Intake and status of vitamin B12, vitamin D, iron, zinc, iodine, calcium and bone turnover markers were generally lower in plant-based dietary patterns compared to meat-eaters. Vegans had the lowest vitamin B12, calcium and iodine intake, and also lower iodine status and lower bone mineral density. Also, meat is delicious. And there is nowhere near the same amount of iron in plants as what you find in meat.
@@hexcodeff6624and since vitamin B12 is not found in plants in naturally occurring amounts that are usable, where do you think it comes from? However, some plant foods and plant-based products may contain vitamin B12 if they are fortified. But that still means that the B12 has to come from a non-vegan source (if it is natural). So, if it is found in your fortified food or supplemented somehow, do you think B12 is magically conjured into existence? No... It still largely comes for animal sources... The B12 is just extracted. Eating meat just eliminates the middleman.
the answer i'm guessing from a vegan perspective as to why they won't kill predators is because it's about balance, if the predators are all killed off or even slightly upset in the balance, more prey animals will die in the process because the prey will over populate and eat more of their food and thus will cause starvation among their own population
Mate, your comedy? Chef’s kiss as always. Your arguments? Flimsier than tofu in a tornado! 😂 🦈 *Sharks and the Predator Paradox* *Empathy ≠ Endorsement:* Saving a shark isn’t the same as endorsing the suffering it causes to other fish. It’s an act of empathy, not approval of predation. Humans don’t give sharks weapons or cheer them on for hunting-it’s just nature doing what it does. Predation is just one part of a highly chaotic and brutal system-not some harmonious ideal. *Ethical Reduction:* If we could safely and ethically reduce predator populations without harming ecosystems, I’d support it. A hypothetical “button” to end predation and minimize suffering? I’d press it in a heartbeat. *The Matrix of Suffering:* Nature’s inherent cruelty suggests deeper issues to me-perhaps we exist in a kind of “hellish amnesia matrix” where suffering is designed (demiurge?) or perpetuated by forces indifferent or hostile to sentient life. If this "resonates", I explore it further on my channel. 😡 *“Vegans Are Angry and Rude”* *Double Standards:* People often get mad that vegans are upset about eggs or factory farming, but then get even angrier at us for being upset. That’s some scrambled logic. What’s even more ironic? Many of these same people might passionately condemn events like the Yulin Dog Festival while failing to see the contradiction or hypocrisy with the animals they eat. *Voice for the Voiceless:* Animals can’t cry for help on Twitter. Vegans speak up for those who can’t. Passion isn’t anger-it’s compassion in action. *Not All Vegans Are Angry:* Most of us prefer chill convos about ethics, health, and sustainability-no yelling, no drama. But let’s be real: hearing the same debunked arguments a million times over, presented as if they’re groundbreaking (which, by the way, you’re also doing with these videos-though I do appreciate the valuable conversations they spark), is bound to test anyone’s patience. If non-vegans were faced with this scenario, maybe they’d be more upset too. 😉 💊 *Health Myths: Weak Vegans?* *Deficiency Debunked:* Omnivores are more likely to suffer from deficiencies like B12, iron, calcium, and iodine for fact. Why? Because animals don’t magically produce these nutrients-they get them from plants or supplements. *B12 Basics:* B12 isn’t made by animals; it comes from bacteria in soil and water. Livestock are often given B12 supplements themselves, so omnivores are just eating the middleman. Fun fact: most B12 gets destroyed during cooking, which helps explain why nearly 40% of Americans are deficient-a number that could be even higher if measured using stricter standards, like in Japan. Vegans skip the inefficiency and go straight to fortified foods or a simple supplement where we have much more control over the quality of the supplemennt. No middleman, no problem. *Plant Power:* Every essential nutrient comes from plants. Leafy greens, nuts, seeds, grains, and legumes provide all the iron, zinc, and calcium you need-minus the cholesterol and health risks linked to meat-heavy diets. *Manliness Myth:* Then why was one of the world’s strongest men, Patrik Baboumian, is vegan. What’s more “manly” than crushing strength-based world records without eating animals? *Reality Check:* If animal products are so “nutrient-rich,” why are most supplement and pharmaceutical buyers omnivores? Plants in general nourish without causing harm-no middleman (or middle-cow) required. 🛋 *Leather Hate!* lol I’ll give you this! *Dead Cow Sofas:* Sweaty, squeaky, grossly overrated and overpriced! Why flex "luxury dead cow skin sofas" when plush vegan fabrics are breathable, plush and guilt-free! Comfort and compassion! 🍔 *The Bigger Picture* *“Natural Order” ≠ Ethics:* Lions hunt, kill cubs, and mate by force. Want to copy that too? Didn’t think so. *Taste vs. Life:* Choosing/voting multiple times daily for just %5-10 improved taste (in many cases) over billions of sentient being’s life? That’s the real “dumb” move perhaps. *Crop Death Myth:* Farming plants for humans kill far fewer animals than funneling crops through livestock. Basic math. *Tradition Isn’t Truth:* Meat-eating is “normal”? So were slavery and sexism. Progress is kind of the point. 💯 *Veganism ≠ Perfectionism* *It’s About Doing What’s Possible:* Veganism isn’t about being perfect; it’s about causing less harm where we can. Simple as that. Living 100% animal-free is tough, but ditching the big stuff-meat, dairy, eggs, leather etc.-isn’t. Progress > Perfection. *Future-Proofing:* The more people go vegan, the more compassionate options emerge. Small changes matter. Anyhow, sorry for my long ADHD response xD I'll be honest and say that, as a fan, I love your jokes and videos but your logic when it comes to these topics may need some "gains". Cheers!
@@MateoGutierrez-j9h So what if a non-native speaker used ChatGPT to organize his long comment for better and smarter communication with GradeA and others? Nice counter-argument though and you're very welcome. 😉
About leather: You want your shoes to be made out of genuine leather and not artificial leather, believe me. You don't want your legs to smell and get your feet wet during rain.
@@levimorgan3446 Avocados flown internationally is much less destructive to the environment than meat production, even if it is local. And the number one driver of deforestation in the Amazon rainforest is beef and dairy production to make room to grow their feed. The authors of one of the largest meta-analysis conducted looking at the relationship between agriculture and the environment concluded that _what_ you eat is more significant to the environment than _how_ it is produced, because even the least environmentally impactful production of meat is still significantly more harmful to the environment than plant-based foods _Reducing food’s environmental impacts through producers and consumers; J. Poore_
Avocado exports by country, in USD value, rank as (source: worldstopexports website) Mexico: US$2.8 billion (39% of total avocados exports) Netherlands: $1.1 billion (14.9%) Peru: $963.4 million (13.2%) Spain: $413.9 million (5.7%) Israel: $260.8 million (3.6%) Chile: $244.7 million (3.4%) Colombia: $200.9 million (2.8%) Morocco: $152.7 million (2.1%) South Africa: $144.6 million (2%) Kenya: $141.8 million (1.9%) United States: $128.4 million (1.8%) France: $99.5 million (1.4%) Dominican Republic: $97.2 million (1.3%) Germany: $62.2 million (0.9%) Australia: $53.8 million (0.7%) This is 94.6% of the exports and Brazil doesn't even make the cut. You have no idea what you are talking about This avocado strawman is just braindead propaganda to distract from the actual bane of the rainforests: the animal industry. brazil produces almost 4% of all the worlds animal fodder (source: IFIF/Internation Feed Industry Federation website) while making up 2.5% of the world population. Regardless, the biggest waste of agricultural resources is meat. If you have a problem with land being destroyed for agriculture, then it's the meat industry you should criticize. There's enough land to feed all of us avocados or any other plant every day
Try living in England, or most european places. AC doesnt exist in most houses due to how buildings were built and in the summer when humidity is at 200%, its horrible
Not to mention when it's cold, leather is freezing. You have to put blankets on it to make it basically a fabric couch😂 leather is good for clothing and maybe car seats
Vegans want to reduce animal suffering as much as possible from human disturbance. HUMAN disturbance. Aren't apex predators typically not mass farmed? so yeah no one wants more apex predators but why kill them needlessly? Yeah if it's an animal group that destroys ecosystems, then taking their life can definitely help those other animals, more intense vegans are the ones with a problem with this. But how do human's think it's okay to mass farm and needlessly slaughter relatively passive animals like cows, chickens, pigs and turn around and say vegans want to save all apex predators and invasive species. We just wanna save the animals that are targeted by humans greedy hands.
@@foxinbox8489 that is kinda how a farm works. It wouldn’t be very efficient for you to find wild grain or cows every time you harvested the last bunch.
@@Dawg347how are we omnivores? Tell us how to eat and see if we don't get any health complications. While the only argument towards vegans is we don't have all vitamins which can be supplemented. My use of the word needless refers to people birthing and killing animals for food when those resources can provide more vegetables and use less water. That's what's needless. Same as when you are a person living in an advanced society with a variety of choices at your grocery store and you still choose the option that isn't healthy for you or the planet for our future generations.
If I had a nickel for every time Grade mentioned Hitler in this video, I'd have two nickels, which is not a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
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Can you think of any group more annoying than vegans that I should make a video on? Drop a comment and I might do so.
Peace bois.
ok
Frat guys, hate em.
eating animals is right
I would say vegetarians are more annoying
Teachers that are allways angrey for no reason
As a former vegan who had a Whatsapp group with other vegans, I remember someone called me a fascist for feeding meat to my cat, when they are literally OBLIGATE CARNIVORES, others just had opinions I agreed with but most expressed it in such an obnoxious and annoying way
Humans are obligate carnivores too...
@@FreeTheDonbaswrong. Humans are omnivores, meaning we can and should eat both meat and plant to be healthy
And i have some people in my group where we do some spiritual stuff, who used to be vegan. They quit due to health complications.
A lot of vegans are straight up delusional. I’ve seen them try and keep going children and infants on vegan diets only for those kids to ends up malnourished and looking like skeletons
@@alexalexandru691We still can’t survive without meat or dairy, The only reason vegans do is because they take supplements that are not natural.
throwback to when he talked about vegan gains
I picture the red dominatrix chess piece giving the yellow, submissive chess piece a bit of footwork.
Are you real@@adidasfan360
Vegan gains is now a symbol
Ahh YESSSSSS VEGAN GAINS
1:13 tbf, apex predators are enormously important. Especially since there are less of them, and not just sharks
Killer whales would actually be an apex predator, not sharks
@@dylanbyrne9866Depends on the ecosystem, orcas don't live everywhere
shh.. don't tell him or he will delete the video. Man this channel turned out to be a complete shit. How can one spend hours of cutting a video and 0 hours of using your brain to think.
NNNNNEEEEEEEERRRRRRRDDDDDD
True we already tried wiping out wolves in an area and it backfired so bad they had to bring them back. TLDR don't try to play god and let nature do it's thing
If ThatVeganTeacher reacts to this, she is just gonna prove Grade’s points more and more
her content is satire
Here before she does eventually
She’s gonna absolutely grade him…
@@gregory_longjohns Fuck no.
I haven’t heard that name in ages
I'm no vegan but I understand the main goal of vegans is to end the suffering, not killing.
I don't think anybody likes the conditions that commercial animal farming provides to the livestock
you are the livestock for the government. why arent you upset about that?
@@ShriKaav Doesn't mean everybody has to be forced to become a fanatic vegan. There are plenty of good farmers, who care for the wellbeing of their animals and it's a mean prejudice to say that all farm animals have to suffer.
They routinely call people who eat meat murderers so I do believe they have a problem with the killing.
Veganism is NOT another suffering. Killing is wrong, always
@@Bingo2501 Yeah, but most vegans are avoiding shit like grocery store meat and dairy that comes from massive factory farms. Obviously, if you're only buying animal products from small local farms that are verified to be taking good care of their animals, then you're contributing to ending the unnecessary suffering of animals.
Some people would just prefer to not bother with the price or effort though.
Poor guy never learned about the consequences of removing predators from an ecosystem
who's gonna tell him?
Freaking bunnies, everywhere, eating up all the greenery
Yeah, imagine Europe full of J*ws
Probably the same things that happens when you remove humans as a predator or provide an abundantly large food source for hard to control pests
Yeah, imagine Europe full of Je...
The transition to the saily ad was too smooth!!!
I made an extra minute of content just to have it transition smoothly. I need a hobby.
@@GradeAUnderAYou already have a hobby grade!
You're a meth teacher!
I thought you said you hated hobbies in your smalltalk video, grade?
I have sponsor block.
@@Novashadowstudiosgotta be sure to hold the stickman liable for his inconsistencies! Of the utmost importance.
Ayy GradeAUnderA is back 🎉 Finally 🔥
The thing is sharks are already threatened from extinction because of humans. So we should NOT kill apex predators like sharks. They are very important and here for a reason not only to keep the circle of life going but also saving the coral reefs that would die by the fish that eat them if they wouldn't have an apex predator. Without corals nothing can survive in the sea just like nothing could on land without trees
There are way more sharks in the ocean than any swimmer wants to think about
But when apex predators die, the environment feeds off them. Whales aren't apex predators but they're the best example of a corpse BECOMING an ecosystem.
Use to be vegan for 7 years. First two years I thought I was morally superior than others. After that, I would only debate it if someone brought it up. Didn’t want to be seen as an a-hole. The last 2 years I just stopped caring and continued doing it for my health.
This summer I just stopped completely. It’s too much work and tbh no one cares. Everyone is going through their own problems. I’m just glad I can go to social outings again and eat some delicious food with friends and family.
@@Fruitlahoop Can I ask, what was the exact reason you went vegan in the first place?
its not even healthy, you would be taking supplements for life
@@johnchesterfield9726his comment shows he did it because he wanted attention
This is why I always prefer a reduced meat diet to an actual vegetarian diet. get the same health benefits without needing to worry about the specialized nutrients that are harder to get from plant based food and get to enjoy a delicious steak now and then.
@@user-10021 True! That’s what it sounded like to me. It’s no surprise that the OP is no longer vegan given that I’d suspect they didn’t have solid reasons for going vegan in the first place.
I hate vegans alright but to be fair most the time an apex predator that’s native to an area won’t completely whip out its prey
omg did grade just upload a vegan video and my vegangains hatred returns? love you mate
It is so jarring seeing Grade finally make a video with a 16:9 aspect ratio, but hey I ain’t complaining.
Yeah I like it.
Except for the intro, I like it too.
least it’s still in a crispy 480p
As a vegan, I found this video entertaining 😅
(Been a fan of Grade for a very long time)
RIGHT BEFORE DINNER GRADE SAVES THE DAY!!!!
*I’m a Vegetarian. I don’t tell others how to live their own lives. That’s Rude.* 😑
You just silently judge them and later talk to your vegetarian friends about how bad they are. We understand.
@@Batmann_lol literally nobody does that. I’m a vegan, I don’t talk bad about my non vegan friends
@@ncrtrooper1782 Absolutes are always wrong.
@@Batmann_ Very few people do that, but keep living in your bubble bro. My girlfriend is vegetarian, and she never judged me or others for eating meat. Why would she? She's not a dumbass. You on the other hand judge every vegan and vegetarian based on the few outliers you came across on social media. You yourself said that "Absolutes are always wrong", well isn't that fucking hilarious? Grow up and touch some grass please.
Just go vegan already. Why would anyone just go vegetarian it makes no sense. You know dairy and eggs are evil
I think their argument would be that killing sharks would cause the fish population to spike and they'd become overpopulated. Which raises the question of why it's ok for sharks to eat fish, but not us.
These videos feel less like Grade making an effort to understand vegans and more like him regurgitating a viewpoint about veganism by an extraterrestrial who bung-probed a vegan once back in 2011.
for real
@@Finkelfunk 1000%. He never addresses the strongest arguments for veganism, he just makes a lot of red herring arguments and focuses on strawman vegans.
Or this is just a fun video he made that's not meant to be taken seriously.
Refute him then
@@johnchesterfield9726 ok, here is your chance. Tell me the strongest arguments for veganism. I (in my own life) have seen zero positives and only negatives. Every Vegan I have ever met has been pushy, arrogant, and Mal-nourshied. Change my mind.
Predators and their prey populations create feedback loops. If prey populations get too big it can cause the extinction of their food source from over consumption leading to their own extinction. The food chains in nature have been honed by nature over thousands of years and the animals in them fill important niches. If a predators main food sources populations get too low they will end up starving and dying off leading to the prey populations being able to rebound leading to a stable population of each animal. If humans overhunt an animal that doesn't effect us because we can eat basically ANYTHING birds, fish, bugs, grazers, mushrooms, fruit, vegetables, nuts, etc. Over-fishing can destabilize fish populations while sharks actually stabilize them. Otherwise great video, love your stuff Grade
what a good time to be alive grade posted🙏
This is so freaking weird, why is the video in 16:9 aspect ratio. Got surprised it filled-up my screen. I though you now upload in 1080p lmao still at 480p thank god! HAHAHA
Aaay. Nice timing!! On my lunch break!
I wish I was what you are eating.
@@adidasfan360 What the fuck
@ lol. Chicken and dumpling soup and lumpia my dude 👍🏼
@@JLoovie jelly
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sweet! another video! Glad to see you hanging around this time.
Back to school everyone
I got a vegan cookies ad while watching this
It’s funny how vegans are actually quite chill and people accusing vegans of getting mad are actually the ones getting mad
so true !
Nah its just the like few vegans online. And also every single vegan you serve in hospitality that are pricks. The rest are ok
I wouldn't call it "chill" when you are telling everyone that you are a vegan, that you should be one too, and that if you're not vegan then you are contributing to climate change, animal cruelty, and hate. That's not chill. And some of the chillest people I know are meat eaters, lol. Mainly because they aren't deficient in some vitamins and minerals, so they're not unbalanced.
They arent though, they think they are superior then the rest but they are GIANT hypocrites.
So Im glad you had a good experience ...I just wish your experiences dictated the rest of the majority that's been reported. Ignorant shortsighted shite.
Feels so weird seeing these videos widescreen 💀
Bro has beef with everyone ( I am here for it)
You're next fryedtoads3081
@@GradeAUnderAI better see that video.
It still tickles me that he continues to use VeganGains' face for all vegans and bodybuilders, it's still funny
can't any vegan refute this easily by just saying they want to minimize unnecessary harm to animals from a human?
Pretty much
yes they can lmao, but for some reason, a lot of fellow meat eaters are just ignorant as fuck about the reasoning behind veganism. I mean, why the FUCK do we even care what other people eat? This question is also aimed at those specific vegans who judge others for their eating habits. So pretty much, it's just dumbasses on both sides.
And the next best question is why? What makes humans so special in comaprsion to other omnivores? They love to claim were animals yet when this happens they claim we aren't. It's hypocrisy.
@@coletrainhetrick Animals do WAAAAAY more fucked up things than we do. Ever heard of that parasite that replaces a fish's TONGUE? Nature's fucked up.
@@coletrainhetrick other omnivores have to hunt for their prey. their prey is free to do whatever it wants until it is eaten. Humans trap animals and force them to live in these giant factory farms where they can barely even move. that's a pretty big difference.
Grade being back is an absolute blessing
Why is Grade pretending like he doesn't understand veganism as a concept? The whole point is to reduce animal suffering from the humans side and let the ecosystem take care of itself. Its really not a hard concept to understand
Because humans not eating animals won't fucking solve that. It's going to take A LOT MORE than simply not eating animals to accomplish what that pretentious and ignorant goal stands for. If you think humans are the only thing thats violent towards animals, you shouldn't be eating at all and should save us the air.
First of all, pretty sure the video is a joke.
But what you're saying in reality has a lot of problems. Is allowing the ecosystem to run its natural course always a good thing? I bet a lot of organisms, if they could have opinions, would say no. And are humans not animals and thereby part of the ecosystem? Humans do lots of things to help other creatures, often by helping with wildfire control, population control, or rehabilitating and protecting individual animals, families, and sometimes entire species. Yeah humans have screwed up many times, but we do a lot of good too. So this idea that allowing the ecosystem to run on without human intervention will reduce animal suffering is really pretty flawed.
@MrDrProfJMF Animals have done just fine for millions of years before humans evolved. I'm not even vegan, but this notion that we as humans are "helping", is just our deluded moral superiority.
You mention things like humans protecting entire species. If that's because the species was endangered because of other humans, then fair enough, but if the species is dying out from natural causes then we're not doing anything but making ourselves feel important. Animals suffer every day because the circle of life has always been a thing. Getting eaten by another animal isn't going to be enjoyable, but it is natural.
It's just about preventing the unnecessary suffering that's caused by humans, in my opinion, the kind of suffering that is just there for entertainment (hunting for sport or making accessories).
He's joking about vegans, showing how absurd their ideology is. Which it is.
Vegans care a lot about animals until they don't. Their WHOLE thing is the protection of animals.
JUST FROM HUMANS THOUGH, even if humans aren't hurting them. So if you point at "Well this shark is ripping other animals apart to eat them, is that ok?"
And they go "Yeah that's nature, that's perfectly fine."
"..... Well HYENAS eat animals ALIVE for food. That's okay?"
"Yeah that's nature, that's perfectly fine."
"......This farmer is raising cows for food in a humane way."
"HE'S A FUCKING SCUMBAG THAT SHOULD FUCKING DIE YOU INHUMAN PIECE OF TRASH!"
No joke, that's literally what they say. Them being SO human centric IS the hypocrisy. Vegans DON'T care about animals, they care about yelling at other humans to feel superior to them. That's it. It's not about protecting animals, it's about themselves.
Oh boy you're gonna feel silly when you find out humans are part of that ecosystem
Name a more historical battle than Grade vs Vegans
im so happy for grade, these animation has gotten better and he seems much more happier making videos :)
Ive been watching this guy since 2016 and when he quit for a while it was devastating
A video against vegans? I can’t wait to see what’s next. Maybe an expose on Spider-Man x Elsa videos. Or perhaps a response to Ricegum’s latest music video? And what’s Daddyofive been up to?
Can’t think of anything else I’d rather have in this, the year of our Lord two-thousand-and-sixteen.
Do you think snails would feel good crawling on your big stick?
Can you tell me, do you have a good argument against Name The Trait (watch Alex O’ Connor’s video “A Meat Eater’s Case for Veganism”). This is the only argument for veganism that I think is actually very strong, and I want to be able to refute it but I can’t.
@ I don’t care enough to watch it tbh lol
@@Longshanks1690 That’s fair if you don’t care enough to engage the best arguments for veganism, but then I think it wouldn’t be fair for others to criticize veganism without actually hearing the best arguments for that position, you know what I mean? It would be like if I criticized you for something that I knew nothing about.
@@johnchesterfield9726 "It would be like if I criticized you for something that I knew nothing about."
This is the way (for a large amount of YTers).
Letting the Shark eat them _is_ being kind. The Shark gets his meal and the fish don't breed and breed and breed until there's no food left and the whole species are wiped out. One dies for the good of the many! (Paraphrased from Dr Spock, 1982!)
i usually agree with your points and/or understand your point of view. But these are some bad af takes. And im not even vegan myself.
No apex predator is an actual danger to animal populations like the human. If a predator species gets out of hand, culling actions are taken. So thats already happening.
Not all vegans are angry and loud about their opinion. You only ever hear of the particular loud/angry ones, thats why you get that image.
Leather is a nice product actually, just not for couches, agreed. It is far superior to synthetic leather in areas like boots and belts.
Imo, the biggest selling point for vegan/vegetarianism isnt the "suffering" of animals. i honestly don't really care about that. But the logistics and inefficiency of nutrition in meats. The amount of food a cow needs compared to what you get out of its meat is incredibly inefficient. We waste a lot of space growing food for animals than for humans.
I could never live without meat, cheese, eggs and milk. But i try to buy more local stuff and less overall. Im not saying to commit to a 100% vegan life and end up with malnutrition, just to not get McDonald's every weekend.
Why do you even watch this channel? Grade makes jokes about everything. Geez people gave forgotten how to laugh and not take things so seriously. 🙄
@mizzLopez please think for yourself for a moment. This is a video poking fun about how vegan views are wrong and have stupid views on certain things. But then he brings out the worst possible factually incorrect examples to bring his points forward... come on man, you have to be smarter than this. Like yeah it's not serious but it's also supposed to be bringing some points up too so that he can bring a discussion around his points
@@babz527You are new to this channel aren’t you.
Meat isn't inefficient.
The concept that you can maximize your food efficiency is just retarded.
There's a reason half the species on earth are adapted to eat other animals. It's because surviving off plants is REALLY fucking hard and doing it makes it basically your entire life. Having more options to eat makes your entire existence easier by default.
The reason we grow food for cows is because it's incredibly cheap to do, then the cow does the actual hard part, then we can slaughter the cow and get all those benefits at a substantially reduced investment. Apparently you just don't know how eating works.
We DON'T waste anything by feeding cows THINGS THAT WE CANNOT FUCKING EAT. It's MORE efficient because we can't eat grass, but grass is piss easy to grow in absurd quantities. Space just isn't an issue. We have more of it than we know what to do with. Turns out, planets, are big. So the world is not going to end just because we're not using every square inch of our land to grow produce DIRECTLY for human consumption. That would be harmful to humans, because we would become unhealthy.
Now if you wanna say americans in particular eat TOO MUCH meat, yes that's correct, objectively. Americans eat too much of EVERYTHING really. It's kinda the biggest health problem we have.
Vegans, also, do NOT advocate for being "nicer" to animals but still farming them. They do not. They want NO farms, period. They scream this relentlessly, and they do not care how "nice" a farmer is to his animals or the happiness of the animals or anything. They INHERENTLY want farming to end entirely because it's not about animals, it's about them.
Grade's jokes are jokes, but the underlying point that they don't actually care about animal SUFFERING is on point. They don't. They care about being "better" than everyone else. This is entirely a human thing, it has nothing to do with animals.
fun fact, sharks dont usually go after fully healthy fish or prey most pick off the dead or dying
I just noticed that you finally upgraded the aspect ratio to 16:9 on this video. This video actually looks nicer now because of the lack of black bars on the side. Such a small detail that I'm appreciate of. :)
@@Mickelraven I just noticed that the character in your profile picture is kind of hot, and frankly, I would enjoy stretching it to see what potential brown stuff drops.
@@Mickelraven I need to get with that character in your profile picture.
@@Mickelraven Hi.
@@Mickelraven Imagine the character in your profile picture using your lower body as a place to go number two.
@@adidasfan360 Elaborate
I’m a vegan, I don’t speak for all vegans but here’s my answers.
Prop 1 (saving the shark): Sharks are apart of a natural order. Vegans want to minimize human induced animal suffering because we have the ability to make decisions based on ethics. Whereas a shark is just doing its job. Humans don’t need to live to eat animals, sharks do.
Prop2(annoying vegan): this is such a straw man lol. Sorry you had a bad experience with an internet vegan.
Prop3(leather): leather does suck. It’s uncomfortable.
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Tell me you've never heard of ecology without telling me you've ever heard of ecology
lol
I said something similar XD
Video is based on the assumption that vegans are into saving animals but it's incorrect, they just don't eat animals/animal products..
UA-cam is highkey getting dry I’m glad you posted 😭
So "Mr Beast did a bad thing part 60", and "Trump will end the world part 5230" wasn't doing it for you?
@@AcshualSnotski skibidi toilet
VeganGains holy moly, what a throwback.
Veganism and other diets are personal choises. Except for some vocal minority, most vegans, don't talk about their diets all that much, or force their cats to be vegans :D
yea im on grades side
Maybe noy anymore but about 8 or years ago veganism was at its zenith and the vegans had fangs! Think it has calmed down quite a bit.
@@mizzLopez i feel like a lot of the internet calmed down after 2012 - 2016 🤔 what grade speaks of is the stereotype we all had back then. Vegan gains was a villan due to the things he got flack for, but on the other side, the people who critizised him propably did or acted quite "energetically" themselves. Thinking of people like TJ Kirk for example.
I'm so glad Grade is back and uploading regularly again. Brings me back to better days
the logic at 5:40 is so hilariously bad. usually grade at least makes some sensible points that can contest some flimsy logic for veganism, but this is SO bad.
if you're NOT helping humans by trying to find the cure for cancer when you have the ability to do so, can you really say that you love humans? obviously, YES.
you extrapolate the logic to any point and it completely falls apart. the average vegan is vegan because of some minor dietary concerns (better digestive health, heart health, etc), religion, or want to reduce their carbon footprint. they do so silently.
i'm not even vegan, but the complete misrepresentation of veganism just SCREAMS 2016 and a lack of any nuance at all. get mad at vegans who scream at you for your decisions, but don't think that every vegan is out to get you. they're just living their lives bro.
@@bigbreezus even then, "usually" is a stretch. I love Grade but have you *seen* his animal names video?
His videos are literally just rants and jokes, calm down
@@zach4279 i think a lot of people in this comment section need to take this into account
@@zach4279 Is the joke the fact nothing he's saying actually makes any sense? This video is just one retarded take after another, and I'm not even a Vegan. He's just not making any sense.
Have u ever actually watched a grade video before. At least 90 % of them are random funny bullshit
Yeah, being a vegan makes no sense. Animals eat animals, humans are animals, there's really nothing to be upset about. It is reasonable to be upset about the awful ways some companies treat animals, but expecting humans to not eat animals for no good reason is just ridiculous lol
Hello, long time viewer, first time commenter. I feel that this, like many half-joking parody videos, is going to get interpreted by some folks like valid points. Possibly used to rationalize a pre-existing hate or misunderstanding of vegans. I figure its worth a shot to just reply.
Regarding that shark: 99% sure it wasnt vegans that saved it.
Regarding Apex Predators: in terms of vegan priorities, i personally dont see the saving of apex predator as strictly relevant to veganism. The main vegan goal is to reduce manmade harm and suffering. To me, Hunting apex predators is bad, because thats done at the hands of a person. Intentionally causing suffering is not good, but letting nature play its course is fine. The reason behind this, to me, is that nonhuman animals lack the moral agency to distinguish between "ethical" and "nonethical". You wont see a shark eating exclusively kelp and algae because 1) they won't see their calories for immediate survival as "bad" and 2) their digestive systems wont allow it. Are we able to agree on that?
Leading from the second point above, your second point in the video was also about adequate nutrition. I easily get all the nutrients i need without animals, save for B12, which i take a supplement for, and D3, which pretty much everyone is recommended to take a supplement for, but mine is sourced from lichen. The source of B12 is bacterial fermentation - through animals if you eat them, or it can be synthesized using the same processes without the animal. Lentils, beans, tofu/tempeh, seitan, peas, and nuts are all good, cheap sources of protein if your big concern is big gains! Unlike sharks, there's a lot we can digest. To me, it looks like a lot of nutrition concerns and hesitancy are a result from cultural upbringings too - U.S. food leans very meat heavy that its a center of every meal and learning what else is out there could seem daunting, but its doable!
Agreed on your last point - leather sucks and screw faux leather couches too i dont my ass sounding like a basketball court when i sit up straight
Anyway thanks for reading my rant. my b12 deficient ass needs to get back to milking almonds for the season
Love your rant ! 🍀💚 I will join u milking almonds. ✌🏼😊
On a second-hand note, what tf happened to vegab gains
5:53 grade is a yandere, got it
Grade a yandere
Saving animals is mainly meant for agricultural livestock, not apex predators... Just go find out about live of a diary cow, it's just pure torture. Animals in forests live their lives by their instincts and all the prey of apex predators is living their own life in the wild. However, livestock on farms is just being tortured and literally used for eggs/milk/etc and once the animals die from exhaustion, the meat is processed for people to eat. And remember, the meat and produce of an animal will be stained by this immensely stressful life.
The main point of veganism is to stop supporting the torturous practices of egg, dairy, etc industry. I won't elaborate the life of a dairy cow in detail, but if you'd like, feel free to do some research about its life and try to imagine yourself leading such "life". Just search for Erin Janus on YT, she explaines it briefly.
second video in a row i dislike. wtf. the shark example is so extraordinarily stupid and uninformed...
You are still butt hurt over last video? 😂 Grade is joking. What is wrong with you people? Lighten up!
he’s only joking, if you don’t like him then don’t watch him
@mizzLopez were upset because he wasn't joking last video, and he's not joking here. Veganism has its issues yes but he made some stupid points here in the guise of a "joke" to make it not seem like it's his opinion. Coincidentally, that's exactly how Trump encouraged a bunch of nazis to storm the capital to overturn the outcome of an election. It's not what he said, but the ways and mannerisms and tactics he chose to use in speaking. It's saying something without specifically saying the words and therapists all over the world will tell you that it's definitely a defense tactic to cover up his evil deeds.
@@hvymtl-lvr i liked him but recently its not funny, repeating the fascist propaganda against Harris was not exactly funny at all. and im not vegan not even vegetarian, but this was just stupid and ignorant.
@hvymtl-lvr he's not joking though. Old grade used to joke. If grade was joking, he would have started off BOTH of his roast videos with "she lies and has no plan" and "he lies and has no plan" because they're BOTH EQUALLY JUST as bad as each other when it comes to having a plan and telling the truth. The joke was RIGHT there. Instead, he went on to make "joke" videos about his real views on kamala and Trump. Which, shockingly, like this video, were based on his feelings and NOT facts because it is a FACT that they both lie and don't have a plan. And while I don't like veganism, there ABSOLUTELY are good benefits to it, but, COMPLETELY cutting out meat is not the way to go. We weren't born for an all plant diet, but its also a FACT that it does have certain benefits. He isn't joking. He's saying things without saying things, like trump does when he orders his nazis to do things and doesn't want the blame. "He never used those EXACT words" but that's 1000% how he feels and what he means.
As a non meat eater, this is how I approach life: Do whatever the hell you want, whatever you enjoy, as long as no one suffers.
However, for one animal to survive and get food, another has to suffer and die, that's just the nature of life. It's impossible to eliminate suffering altogether, you can only control what part you play in it.
grade 2016 is so back
I don't think the point of veganism is to minimize total animal suffering and more to minimize animal suffering caused by humans, after all that's what vegans have control over. Of course this is just my perspective as a vegetarian, so I can't speak for everyone
If i’m being real, normal vegans tend to be chill and not even tell people unless someone needs to know. Most meat eaters are more aggressive about how much i should just eat meat, like let me live
@@flat31rules Exactly this. Most meat eaters don’t realize it because they are the status quo, but there’s far more aggressive meat eaters who feel the need to judge vegans. This is way more common than the reverse, so if there was consistency, then we should be more mad about meat eaters who do it. But no, it’s a double standard.
@@johnchesterfield9726fr i’m sat there eating my dinner at a family dinner sometimes and get a random uncle in my ear about having no meat like just let me eat 😭
@@flat31rules You should eat meat.
Im going to call cap man. You don't see meat eaters standing in front of a produce truck blocking traffic. You don't see meat eater going inside restaurants with a megaphone screaming at people enjoying food they paid for. Hell I've seen vegans wonder if they can sue their neighbors because the smell of meat offended them. Stop acting like vegans are an innocent group of people. Let's be honest Vegans are often the harassers and annoyance. Meat eaters tend to only call vegans out when they do stupid shit.
@@johnchesterfield9726 Bro have you even looked at the comments? You are so hilariously wrong.
Shark week 2.0 shark hunting bonanza
The thing about apex predators like sharks is that their hunting of animals is completely natural and essential to the ecological system.
Humans tend to hunt more than these apex predators and therefore pose an ecological disturbance. If humans continue to hunt animals in the wild, then what would those apex predators eat?
Not a vegan btw, just saying
Its good population control against deer
In addition to that, humans are the only species which is able to reflect on its behaviour and counteract it's natural instincts resulting in the responsibilitiy of at least considering not harming others more than needed for survival. Also not a vegan, but one shouldn't call them generally dumb (except the ones that try to argue with you about what you are eating ew).
@@pyrsenhonestly deer are scary. Hell no I don't want those prions anywhere near me.
@@stealthboy5767 I bet dogs (the main carriers for rabies) are scary too, right? There should be a population control for dogs too? It doesn't make much sense, does it
Brother that's the point being made. The only thing you can control to any meaningful degree is how people treat animals, but when people (VeganGains/VeganTeacher) start threatening violence and slander those who don't automatically conform to what they want, people will do things like this to prove how stupid they sound and act
What a classic subject for grade
I'm not vegan but i think especially pertaining to the point about saving the shark, the idea is for us as humans to not interfere or cause harm directly to animals and because saving the shark would be indirect it doesn't count towards the type of animal suffering vegans are and quite frankly have good reason to hate.
This sounds like one of these, I am not a racist, but... comments. Admit it, you're at least vegan friendly!
@@Bingo2501Oh no, he is vegan friendly, must be a really bad person
@@floppypaste indeed, veganes and their followers are such prigs. Rarely seen one, who rly cares for animals but instead trys to show everybody that they are morally superior better beings, who curse at humans, who eat other animals to survive. Woke people and pc gangs aren't any better. 💩
@@floppypaste indeed
I am blessed to see another grade video 🥰
I have a philosophy degree and this is an example of "double effect" which I covered many times. The principle of double effect was figured out by Catholic philosopher St. Thomas Aquinas. It states that although an intended action may result in its intended consequences, it may also result in unintended secondary consequences as well. In this case, the intended consequence was to save the shark's life, but the secondary consequence is that it would live on to eat thousands of other fish. It poses the question as to whether or not the actor who commits the initial action is blameworthy for what follows. (No I don't mean actor as in a movie actor, the word "actor" is the proper term used. I guess a movie actor could still work if it was Alec Baldwin shooting a shark on set lmao). I would argue that the key to solving double effect is to determine if the actor knew, or had good reason to know of the secondary consequences that would occur. If the actor couldn't have known then you can't blame him for what happens after, but if he should have known then he's at fault.
P.S. Since I know someone will ask this; "shouldn't God' be to blame for the existence of evil?" In short, God is the only one who can get out of philosophical arguments and fallacies because His powers and being are beyond the limitations of our universe. I know that sounds like a lame answer but trying to wrap your brain around how God works is its own discussion which gets into metaphysics, and that particular question is what's known as "The Problem of Evil". Plus this comment is already getting too long anyway.
Philosophically i've always thought veganism was a dumb idea because it arbitrarily places importance on some forms of life as "off limits" and others not. Philosophically what is so different about eating a plant instead of a cow? Both are forms of life and no form of life WANTS to die, its just that the cow is better at showing that then a plant. And at least for all of nature typically forms of life will never voluntarily give itself up to its predator, which at least to me means every form of life is a murderer from birth including us, again cause the bacteria we cant even see and the plants that cant fight back are forms of life, so even if we eat what vegans eat we are still murderers at the end of the day. And if i am forced by nature to murder, i don't see the point in picking and choosing whats allowed to be murdered for my sustenance.
Holy goddamn Christ, do you rly expect sb. to read all this on Yt?! You have some philosophy degree... Bla bla bla. 😜
The special pleading case for god is crazy. You basically said you can't argue against God cause he is God after all... 😂
@@0erson-n7qbecause a cow is sentient, a plant isn't. A cow is intelligent, aware, feels pain and have emotions like humans do.
@@Loopy1330 and if you can't use philosophical arguments and fallacies against god you cannot use philosophical arguments for God either.. how are you gonna prove that god exists now? With empirical evidence?? We both know that isn't possible, so now you're stuck with God being the most irrational concept ever.
I've been vegan for 15 years, it works great for me and the animals I don't torture
If the whole world went vegan, all the animals would die due to the amount of space needed for farming land to get the stuff, let alone the extra CO2 from transporting it all over the world rather than a chicken/pork farm from the farm down the road. You do you tho, i think most peoples hate comes from others trying to force the ideals onto them
bro idgaf about animal suffering im just vegan for health reasons, i just the food to have more flavour as well. idfk why
Perfect timing grade, I needed your classic humor to brighten my day
it's been 6 years bruh move on 😭😭😭
Could say the same to vegans but did that stop them? No
6.4K in 15 mins is crazy bro
I am vegan. I will try to answer your questions:
1.
Of all the mammals on earth, only 4% are wild animals. I know nature is brutal, but at least animals in nature are free. A pig for example is born in a concrete pen and lives its entire life in a concrete pen. The pig only gets to leave the concrete pen when it's forced onto transport to the slaughterhouse, where they are gassed. Suffering in nature is natural. We can't kill all predators, because that would destroy ecosystems which would starve and kill a lot more animals. Factory farming on the other hand is completely unnecessary suffering, which can be easily avoided by not breeding and eating animals.
2.
Vegans being angry is just a matter of algoritm bias. Angry vegans online get lots of clicks and angry vegans are more likely to go online and harass people. I'm trying to say that the angry vegans you see are probably not representative. Most vegans I know do not talk about the fact that they're vegan, because other people are quick to ridicule and judge. Vegans also won't compliment or encourage you when you eat animals, if that's what you're expecting.
On the health side of things I would just like to note that a lot of studies show that a vegan lifestyle is healthier in most cases. I've been vegan for 2 years and I've never felt better. To disbelief of my friends, my gains in the gym have actually increased.
Animals don't create essential nutrients out of thin air. The nutrients in meat comes from the plants the animal eats. In this process, a lot of nutrients go to waste (dung and daily energy). To get 1g of beef protein, a cow has to eat 34g of protein.
The reason I became vegan is simply because I don't agree with the way factory farmed animals are treated. I couldn't treat an animal that way myself. A lot of people actually agree with me on this. It is just that people don't know how bad the life of a factory farmed animal is. Save a dog from a car on a hot day and you're a hero. Save a pig from suffocation in gaschambers and you're a criminal.
Feel free to ask me questions if you do so desire.
looooove it 💚👏👏👏👏! So glad someone explains it well because I keep reading here and there " questions". And lack of education about the farming industry and the horrors what we do to animals.
Yess thank you! 🙏
Ah yes,I have a question....Are you going to put the fries in the bag or nah?
I got 2 questions.
I heard humans need red meat in their diet since it provides essential nutrients. What's your alternative to them?
What do you think of plant-based meat? I'm guessing you're fine with it since it doesn't involve factory methods or animal suffering by humans.
You know it's been a long time since he started this because this is the most relevant Vegan Gains as been in years
I haven't watched grade in forever!!!
Welcome back grade!!!
He been back for weeks :p
mate you streched a single argument into a 8 min long video. I think thats a new world record
One of those rare instances where Grade's rationale is hella weak.
Not for or against veganism, just sayin Grade's rationale of establishing that vegans are dumb is weak
I bet you're vegetarian. 😄😜
@@Bingo2501actually vegans and vegetarians are not the same
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@@meths6478 I know, but Vegetarians also defend Vegans. 😉
4:02 to skip to the ad
A true legend
Bro ..waaay too many sound effects...Loved watching your vids..but I can't listen to 8 mins of farts and beep sounds..ruined the whole video
Like the points you made on leather. However, as someone who casually plays football, leather for football boots is the bee’s knees. It forms to the exact shape of your foot and is so comfortable it’s beyond a joke,
Tangent aside, great video and I know it’s all in good fun 😊
Not a vegan myself nor do I agree with the logic of it, but I do still think I can answer this question.
The logic behind why humans should go vegan is because we have the options and resources to do so, something like a Tiger doesn't however, same reason why we don't look at cannibalistic tribes the same way we'd look at a serial killer in America as an example.
Now of course we don't really have the resources for all of humanity to go vegan and be healthy so it's kind of null and void, I just figured I might as well explain it.
We can't. Humans are obligate carnivore.
We lost the ability to get nutrients from plants hundreds of thousands of years ago.
I was wondering why the qualitt looked so good for 480p and just realised the aspect ratio is 9x16
Sorry, Grade, but where exactly does your Vitamine B12 come from?
Meat?
Unless you are eating grass-fed beef, not so much.
Most of it will come from the exact pellets that vegans take,
just that they are given to the animal first.
You're basically smoking cigarettes cause you're trying to breath at that point.
Vitamin does not end in an E.
Breath and breathe are 2 different words.
Vitamin B12 is naturally present in animal foods, including:
Fish, such as trout, salmon, and tuna
Meat, such as beef liver
Poultry
Eggs
Milk and other dairy products, such as yogurt
Shellfish, such as clams and oysters
@@Batmann_ Meat, such as beef liver
Poultry
Eggs
Milk
So products from the exact animals that get fed B12 suplements. Are you even listening to what I am saying, to what you are saying?
Yeah, like I said before, when they are grass fed, you can get animals to eat the Vitamins that are in the dirt, but industry animals aren't raised that way, so that's why they get fed supplements.
If wild fish have Vitamine B12, great, most people don't eat that much fish so it's kinda irrelevant here, as is proven by the fact that it's necessary to suplement B12 in other animals that people actually eat in the first place.
This is basically like saying "Oatmilk has natural B12" when that (hypothetically) only applies to certain oats that aren't even widely used in production while almost all oatmilk with B12 has it artificially added to it.
The entire "We need to eat meat to get B12" thing is just stupid when you consider that it's artificially added to most peoples food.
Just add it yourself and ditch the meat. Or don't, I'm not your mom.
@@hexcodeff6624Intake and status of vitamin B12, vitamin D, iron, zinc, iodine, calcium and bone turnover markers were generally lower in plant-based dietary patterns compared to meat-eaters. Vegans had the lowest vitamin B12, calcium and iodine intake, and also lower iodine status and lower bone mineral density.
Also, meat is delicious.
And there is nowhere near the same amount of iron in plants as what you find in meat.
@@hexcodeff6624and since vitamin B12 is not found in plants in naturally occurring amounts that are usable, where do you think it comes from? However, some plant foods and plant-based products may contain vitamin B12 if they are fortified. But that still means that the B12 has to come from a non-vegan source (if it is natural).
So, if it is found in your fortified food or supplemented somehow, do you think B12 is magically conjured into existence? No... It still largely comes for animal sources... The B12 is just extracted. Eating meat just eliminates the middleman.
meat has B12, what are you talking about?
Another gem in the youtube mines.
Man I love having Grad back, never leave.
the answer i'm guessing from a vegan perspective as to why they won't kill predators is because it's about balance, if the predators are all killed off or even slightly upset in the balance, more prey animals will die in the process because the prey will over populate and eat more of their food and thus will cause starvation among their own population
Last time I was this early Grade hadn't disappeared for years
you never know
Just bought a 75´ 4K OLED for best experience
Mate, your comedy? Chef’s kiss as always. Your arguments? Flimsier than tofu in a tornado! 😂
🦈 *Sharks and the Predator Paradox*
*Empathy ≠ Endorsement:* Saving a shark isn’t the same as endorsing the suffering it causes to other fish. It’s an act of empathy, not approval of predation. Humans don’t give sharks weapons or cheer them on for hunting-it’s just nature doing what it does. Predation is just one part of a highly chaotic and brutal system-not some harmonious ideal.
*Ethical Reduction:* If we could safely and ethically reduce predator populations without harming ecosystems, I’d support it. A hypothetical “button” to end predation and minimize suffering? I’d press it in a heartbeat.
*The Matrix of Suffering:* Nature’s inherent cruelty suggests deeper issues to me-perhaps we exist in a kind of “hellish amnesia matrix” where suffering is designed (demiurge?) or perpetuated by forces indifferent or hostile to sentient life. If this "resonates", I explore it further on my channel.
😡 *“Vegans Are Angry and Rude”*
*Double Standards:* People often get mad that vegans are upset about eggs or factory farming, but then get even angrier at us for being upset. That’s some scrambled logic. What’s even more ironic? Many of these same people might passionately condemn events like the Yulin Dog Festival while failing to see the contradiction or hypocrisy with the animals they eat.
*Voice for the Voiceless:* Animals can’t cry for help on Twitter. Vegans speak up for those who can’t. Passion isn’t anger-it’s compassion in action.
*Not All Vegans Are Angry:* Most of us prefer chill convos about ethics, health, and sustainability-no yelling, no drama. But let’s be real: hearing the same debunked arguments a million times over, presented as if they’re groundbreaking (which, by the way, you’re also doing with these videos-though I do appreciate the valuable conversations they spark), is bound to test anyone’s patience. If non-vegans were faced with this scenario, maybe they’d be more upset too. 😉
💊 *Health Myths: Weak Vegans?*
*Deficiency Debunked:* Omnivores are more likely to suffer from deficiencies like B12, iron, calcium, and iodine for fact. Why? Because animals don’t magically produce these nutrients-they get them from plants or supplements.
*B12 Basics:* B12 isn’t made by animals; it comes from bacteria in soil and water. Livestock are often given B12 supplements themselves, so omnivores are just eating the middleman. Fun fact: most B12 gets destroyed during cooking, which helps explain why nearly 40% of Americans are deficient-a number that could be even higher if measured using stricter standards, like in Japan. Vegans skip the inefficiency and go straight to fortified foods or a simple supplement where we have much more control over the quality of the supplemennt. No middleman, no problem.
*Plant Power:* Every essential nutrient comes from plants. Leafy greens, nuts, seeds, grains, and legumes provide all the iron, zinc, and calcium you need-minus the cholesterol and health risks linked to meat-heavy diets.
*Manliness Myth:* Then why was one of the world’s strongest men, Patrik Baboumian, is vegan. What’s more “manly” than crushing strength-based world records without eating animals?
*Reality Check:* If animal products are so “nutrient-rich,” why are most supplement and pharmaceutical buyers omnivores? Plants in general nourish without causing harm-no middleman (or middle-cow) required.
🛋 *Leather Hate!*
lol I’ll give you this! *Dead Cow Sofas:* Sweaty, squeaky, grossly overrated and overpriced! Why flex "luxury dead cow skin sofas" when plush vegan fabrics are breathable, plush and guilt-free! Comfort and compassion!
🍔 *The Bigger Picture*
*“Natural Order” ≠ Ethics:* Lions hunt, kill cubs, and mate by force. Want to copy that too? Didn’t think so.
*Taste vs. Life:* Choosing/voting multiple times daily for just %5-10 improved taste (in many cases) over billions of sentient being’s life? That’s the real “dumb” move perhaps.
*Crop Death Myth:* Farming plants for humans kill far fewer animals than funneling crops through livestock. Basic math.
*Tradition Isn’t Truth:* Meat-eating is “normal”? So were slavery and sexism. Progress is kind of the point.
💯 *Veganism ≠ Perfectionism*
*It’s About Doing What’s Possible:* Veganism isn’t about being perfect; it’s about causing less harm where we can. Simple as that. Living 100% animal-free is tough, but ditching the big stuff-meat, dairy, eggs, leather etc.-isn’t. Progress > Perfection.
*Future-Proofing:* The more people go vegan, the more compassionate options emerge. Small changes matter.
Anyhow, sorry for my long ADHD response xD I'll be honest and say that, as a fan, I love your jokes and videos but your logic when it comes to these topics may need some "gains". Cheers!
Thank you ChatGPT
@@MateoGutierrez-j9h So what if a non-native speaker used ChatGPT to organize his long comment for better and smarter communication with GradeA and others? Nice counter-argument though and you're very welcome. 😉
About leather: You want your shoes to be made out of genuine leather and not artificial leather, believe me. You don't want your legs to smell and get your feet wet during rain.
Eating locally sourced meat is 100% better than flying avocados from brazil grown from the ashes of cut down rainforest
Besides, any crop will have pesticides and tractors killing mice, bugs, etc.
@@levimorgan3446 Avocados flown internationally is much less destructive to the environment than meat production, even if it is local. And the number one driver of deforestation in the Amazon rainforest is beef and dairy production to make room to grow their feed.
The authors of one of the largest meta-analysis conducted looking at the relationship between agriculture and the environment concluded that _what_ you eat is more significant to the environment than _how_ it is produced, because even the least environmentally impactful production of meat is still significantly more harmful to the environment than plant-based foods _Reducing food’s environmental impacts through producers and consumers; J. Poore_
Avocado exports by country, in USD value, rank as (source: worldstopexports website)
Mexico: US$2.8 billion (39% of total avocados exports)
Netherlands: $1.1 billion (14.9%)
Peru: $963.4 million (13.2%)
Spain: $413.9 million (5.7%)
Israel: $260.8 million (3.6%)
Chile: $244.7 million (3.4%)
Colombia: $200.9 million (2.8%)
Morocco: $152.7 million (2.1%)
South Africa: $144.6 million (2%)
Kenya: $141.8 million (1.9%)
United States: $128.4 million (1.8%)
France: $99.5 million (1.4%)
Dominican Republic: $97.2 million (1.3%)
Germany: $62.2 million (0.9%)
Australia: $53.8 million (0.7%)
This is 94.6% of the exports and Brazil doesn't even make the cut.
You have no idea what you are talking about
This avocado strawman is just braindead propaganda to distract from the actual bane of the rainforests:
the animal industry.
brazil produces almost 4% of all the worlds animal fodder (source: IFIF/Internation Feed Industry Federation website)
while making up 2.5% of the world population.
Regardless, the biggest waste of agricultural resources is meat.
If you have a problem with land being destroyed for agriculture,
then it's the meat industry you should criticize.
There's enough land to feed all of us avocados or any other plant every day
Undeniable proof that Grade is running out of ideas.
As a vegan, I couldn't give more of a shit what others do. Also wouldn't save a shark on a beach.
Same. 👏
Leather is good in cars because fuck static electricity! If you're sweating in the house then you got AC problems.
Try living in England, or most european places. AC doesnt exist in most houses due to how buildings were built and in the summer when humidity is at 200%, its horrible
If I see a comment that says “bro is stuck in 2016” you owe me 20$, grade.
I got you bro
@ 👍
glad to hear grade shares the same thoughts on leather as me, all i want from my clothing and stuff is COMFORT
*That vegan bodybuilder guy from back in the day has entered chat*
Not to mention when it's cold, leather is freezing. You have to put blankets on it to make it basically a fabric couch😂 leather is good for clothing and maybe car seats
Vegans want to reduce animal suffering as much as possible from human disturbance. HUMAN disturbance. Aren't apex predators typically not mass farmed? so yeah no one wants more apex predators but why kill them needlessly? Yeah if it's an animal group that destroys ecosystems, then taking their life can definitely help those other animals, more intense vegans are the ones with a problem with this. But how do human's think it's okay to mass farm and needlessly slaughter relatively passive animals like cows, chickens, pigs and turn around and say vegans want to save all apex predators and invasive species. We just wanna save the animals that are targeted by humans greedy hands.
“Needlessly slaughter”
Dude we’re omnivores, we kind of need the meat they produce to survive.
@@Dawg347and they are alive solely because of us in the first place
@@foxinbox8489 that is kinda how a farm works. It wouldn’t be very efficient for you to find wild grain or cows every time you harvested the last bunch.
@@Dawg347how are we omnivores? Tell us how to eat and see if we don't get any health complications. While the only argument towards vegans is we don't have all vitamins which can be supplemented. My use of the word needless refers to people birthing and killing animals for food when those resources can provide more vegetables and use less water. That's what's needless. Same as when you are a person living in an advanced society with a variety of choices at your grocery store and you still choose the option that isn't healthy for you or the planet for our future generations.
@@Dawg347no we don't show me any credible source that proposes that meat is necessary for humans.
If I had a nickel for every time Grade mentioned Hitler in this video, I'd have two nickels, which is not a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
the gradeaundera cinematic experience is here. what a great aspect ratio