Dr Robert zubrin is a visionary years ahead of his time I hate that he’s aging because we need him here for the next 30 years losing zubrin and michio Kaku will hurt humanity bad in the future
Doctor Zubrin, your deep knowledge, passion and enthusiasm are a force of nature that CAN move mountains…people, and humanity as a species. Thank you for sharing your brilliance.
you are a fucking idiot if you think he was wrong. I am not a lawyer but I read the space outer treaty years ago, I think it was the best law that could have been develop to avoid any future conflicts and to drive humanity and private persons in a search for solutions to serve a need instead of a political war as Zubrin propose without any benefits at all.
@@thomasmi8 if you can not "read" or have logical understanding, is not the space treaty fault. English is my third language, I am not a lawyer and still I understand the Treaty better than you.. There is no problem with individuals or private companies.. The treaty also protects them! The only thing that each country needs to establish for example, would be if they would allow or protect to their own citizens according to the treaty, or they would add impositions of their own. For example.. lets said you make a ship, you reach an asteroid, you mine that asteroid (nobody else can damage your ship, because in that case your country could complain and it would make responsible to the country that represent the one who damage you), now.. lets said that you go back to your country with all the things you mined... as you are citizen of certain country, you have to obey your own country politics, maybe your own country would not allow you to own that.. or maybe it will.. those are the laws that each country needs to regulate. But the treaty is fine! Nobody can own land or celestial bodies on space. you can mine them, and the thing that you get is yours. But that is it.. Nobody needs to own something, because in that way is investment driven, and not a race to who reach first. Investment is what space and everyone needs. This is the most free market oriented that you can get.
@@AngelLestat2 Cool, so you think China will abide by a piece of paper once the true value of space has been realized? More strongly worded letters from the UN maybe? Laws are rules made up by men then can be changed or just ignored.
@@Balrokenxxx what they would do? they would claim that own an asteroid or planet? what is worth a claim if nobody else support it? also, space is expensive, what is the benefit to risk yourself for a war, or couter measures.. What you get from "owning" a piece of land on a celestial body??? Everything is push by investemnt... if there is an asteroid and you came second, you can mine it, as long as you dont damage or interfere with the process or infrastrucutre that other companies place on that. Also.. if there is already someone investing in that.. it means you dont have to! You can buy the materials to them.. That is how the world works now.. You dont have to do everything, you just do wherever you do best, and you buy everything else to others. You think that just because a resource exist, it means a profit exist.. NOO! For example, here you have the earth, it has a lot of minerals from the surface to the core.. go for them... get rich! In order to get a profit, you not only need access to the resource, you also need a lot of investment and the best efficient plant to gather that resource. Only few achieve that, most certain, it would be cheaper for you to buy that to someone else. As you can see, nobody needs to fight for terrain in space.. in fact.. the terrain is almost infinite, what you need is to encourage investors to exploit that. Maybe as country, charge some taxes to your citizens that exploit those resources. On early ages, they gifty terrains, in order to attract people to farm those lands... There is absolutly no incentive into "owning" something, even less with all the problems that it can get you.
It appears to me, Zubrin is vastly superior intellectually than the bloke who followed. He has an understanding of the natural world, all of the sciences, human history and a wide variety of knowledge in other fields. This other bloke who followed him appears to have a narrow view and only an elementary understanding of concepts outside of his field of study. The point is Zubrin has a wealth of knowledge to base his ideas and theories on while the other bloke does not. Zubrin has spent at least 50 years contemplating all of his concepts. This other guy looks fresh out of high school.
because he knows what he is talking about, instead zubrin has no idea of what he is talking about on legal matters. I am not a lawyer but I read the space outer treaty years ago, I think it was the best law that could have been develop to avoid any future conflicts and to drive humanity and private persons in a search for solutions to serve a need instead of a political war as Zubrin propose without any benefits at all.
@@jonbaszkiewicz There are many things that were legal before and are illegal now, similarly things that were illegal before yet legal now. Feel free to get back to your desk, and stop telling others what to do.
You reminds me of my parents when I was growing up. They used to sternly warn me never to climb up tall trees in case I fall and there is no chance of me surviving. I challenged their premise. When I climbed at the tip top of a tall tree I discovered a certain feeling I had never felt before. After that I started climbing tall mountains in my region. What I discovered remains my secret. All what I can say its different up there.
1:09:20 this guy from NIH is talking about the existential risk of pandemics as a reason for the ‘back up’ solution of moving to Mars. Interesting timing.
TWO WORDS: Manifest Destiny Dr. Z lived and experienced the Von Braun age of space discovery; he like Mr. Musk were enormous risk takers, Musk now coming under FAA scrutiny as Braun had very little interference at all.. Its clear that the law doesn't universally favor across the board, nor is it relevant to a Mars society who's safety and security rests not on the rule of lawmakers millions of miles away, but rather the independence, self sustainability, and cooperation between themselves that of which overrule any earthlike judgement or law that precedes it. The idea that Earth can govern or rule over Mars is just as ridiculous as England taxing the colonists. This type of thinking is fundamentally obsolescent and flawed. Leading only to an independence on Mars and ultimately going to war with Earth not peace. What is most important is an understanding that land rights and claims to lands or landmarks are historically driving forces to establishing a permanent and sustainable outpost that in which protects and develops a long term stewardship. Any strategy moving forward must enable a tolerance towards a developing role in space rather than policing or preventing a particular group from going to space. It seems rather unconstitutional to dictate who belongs in space or not as all man are created equal and deserve life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Three questions at a time was a disaster. And I have to agree with the space lawyer on land ownership. Non interference is enough. As soon as you plow a field (develop land), you now have a man made construct easily defined and awarded protection from interference.
This lawyer guy is really annoying, he's attacking straw man arguments... eg 46:30, zubrin never made chronic assumptions or "estimates how difficult these problems are".
There needs to be a new treaty that involves non-signatories. After all China is the fastest growing space power and if it doesn't sign then there will be no point.
When Zubrin had the opportunity to influence NASA regarding the follow-up to the Space Shuttle program -- he focused his efforts totally on pushing NASA towards developing the SLS using 1970s technology from the Space Shuttle instead of developing new technology like SpaceX did. The result is the SLS program which is in the process of flushing $20-30 billion of NASA money down the toilet with no end in sight. His actions are totally unforgivable. In the 1970s and afterwards -- Zubrin was positioned to be the world leader in pushing for new SpaceX-type technology. He completely dropped the ball and the result was that he was a primary cause of NASA's stagnation for decades. Now Zubrin has totally changed his tune and has jumped on the Elon bandwagon in a desperate attempt to try to resurrect his career and thus his livelyhood. His HUGE past failures that led to the creation of the SLS has magically disappeared from his books and talks. He no longer owns his massive involvement. I tried -- but I could find nothing original that Zubrin is responsible for. What he says is not BS -- instead he is good at taking OTHER people's creative ideas and making them sound like his own. Thank goodness for Elon and Elon's vision. I would personally not waste my time or money to read his books or listen to his talks.
I disagree with Robert Zubren over the NASA 2024 deadline I belive they can achieve that as they have achieved a 5 percent increase for Fy 2020 in their budget
I love Zubrin, but he should learn to shut up in legal matters, he can provide his opinion, but it is stupid to argue with a professional in that matter. I am not a lawyer but I read the space outer treaty years ago, I think it was the best law that could have been develop to avoid any future conflicts and to drive humanity and private persons in a search for solutions to serve a need instead of a political war as Zubrin propose without any benefits at all.
@@gagarinone But the treaty exist.. and provides a beautiful law frame, which instead being base on ownership on "land or celestial bodies", is base on ownership of your own hardware or things you mine. This mean it does not matter who reach that place first, who plant a flag; you can do your thing, and others can do the same meanwhile they not interfere in direct or indirect way with the other. Economics, business activities and living would work beautiful under that frame, not need for stupid wars or fights about limits. Even the property of normal civilians would be protected by that law.
Thanks for holding down the fort all these years, Dr Zubrin. Your dream is slowly coming true.
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Dr Robert zubrin is a visionary years ahead of his time I hate that he’s aging because we need him here for the next 30 years losing zubrin and michio Kaku will hurt humanity bad in the future
Doctor Zubrin, your deep knowledge, passion and enthusiasm are a force of nature that CAN move mountains…people, and humanity as a species. Thank you for sharing your brilliance.
That second guy was the biggest buzzkill and the best part was the fact that he was almost always wrong
you are a fucking idiot if you think he was wrong.
I am not a lawyer but I read the space outer treaty years ago, I think it was the best law that could have been develop to avoid any future conflicts and to drive humanity and private persons in a search for solutions to serve a need instead of a political war as Zubrin propose without any benefits at all.
@@thomasmi8 if you can not "read" or have logical understanding, is not the space treaty fault.
English is my third language, I am not a lawyer and still I understand the Treaty better than you..
There is no problem with individuals or private companies.. The treaty also protects them!
The only thing that each country needs to establish for example, would be if they would allow or protect to their own citizens according to the treaty, or they would add impositions of their own.
For example.. lets said you make a ship, you reach an asteroid, you mine that asteroid (nobody else can damage your ship, because in that case your country could complain and it would make responsible to the country that represent the one who damage you), now.. lets said that you go back to your country with all the things you mined... as you are citizen of certain country, you have to obey your own country politics, maybe your own country would not allow you to own that.. or maybe it will.. those are the laws that each country needs to regulate. But the treaty is fine!
Nobody can own land or celestial bodies on space. you can mine them, and the thing that you get is yours. But that is it..
Nobody needs to own something, because in that way is investment driven, and not a race to who reach first.
Investment is what space and everyone needs.
This is the most free market oriented that you can get.
@@AngelLestat2 Cool, so you think China will abide by a piece of paper once the true value of space has been realized? More strongly worded letters from the UN maybe? Laws are rules made up by men then can be changed or just ignored.
@@Balrokenxxx what they would do? they would claim that own an asteroid or planet? what is worth a claim if nobody else support it? also, space is expensive, what is the benefit to risk yourself for a war, or couter measures..
What you get from "owning" a piece of land on a celestial body???
Everything is push by investemnt... if there is an asteroid and you came second, you can mine it, as long as you dont damage or interfere with the process or infrastrucutre that other companies place on that.
Also.. if there is already someone investing in that.. it means you dont have to!
You can buy the materials to them..
That is how the world works now..
You dont have to do everything, you just do wherever you do best, and you buy everything else to others.
You think that just because a resource exist, it means a profit exist..
NOO! For example, here you have the earth, it has a lot of minerals from the surface to the core.. go for them... get rich!
In order to get a profit, you not only need access to the resource, you also need a lot of investment and the best efficient plant to gather that resource. Only few achieve that, most certain, it would be cheaper for you to buy that to someone else.
As you can see, nobody needs to fight for terrain in space.. in fact.. the terrain is almost infinite, what you need is to encourage investors to exploit that.
Maybe as country, charge some taxes to your citizens that exploit those resources.
On early ages, they gifty terrains, in order to attract people to farm those lands...
There is absolutly no incentive into "owning" something, even less with all the problems that it can get you.
It appears to me, Zubrin is vastly superior intellectually than the bloke who followed. He has an understanding of the natural world, all of the sciences, human history and a wide variety of knowledge in other fields. This other bloke who followed him appears to have a narrow view and only an elementary understanding of concepts outside of his field of study. The point is Zubrin has a wealth of knowledge to base his ideas and theories on while the other bloke does not. Zubrin has spent at least 50 years contemplating all of his concepts. This other guy looks fresh out of high school.
That isn't unusual for Dr. Zubrin, he usually makes other space debaters look very uninspired and amateur.
those are some pretty big shoes to fill you gotta admit lmao
Skip the long introduction, presentation starts at about 5:00
Implying that chick wasn't easy on the eyes
"Nobody imagined in the the past what the internet would be today." Certainly lawyers and economists didn't. But engineers did.
An historian, humanist, chess prodigy, engineering genius, inventor, space scientist, businessman....
This Space law guy is so pompous
Actually he seem like a realistic vision person..you need that to balance gun hoo zubrin
because he knows what he is talking about, instead zubrin has no idea of what he is talking about on legal matters.
I am not a lawyer but I read the space outer treaty years ago, I think it was the best law that could have been develop to avoid any future conflicts and to drive humanity and private persons in a search for solutions to serve a need instead of a political war as Zubrin propose without any benefits at all.
@@jonbaszkiewicz There are many things that were legal before and are illegal now, similarly things that were illegal before yet legal now.
Feel free to get back to your desk, and stop telling others what to do.
You reminds me of my parents when I was growing up. They used to sternly warn me never to climb up tall trees in case I fall and there is no chance of me surviving. I challenged their premise. When I climbed at the tip top of a tall tree I discovered a certain feeling I had never felt before. After that I started climbing tall mountains in my region. What I discovered remains my secret. All what I can say its different up there.
Wow. That was an amazing presentation
1:09:20 this guy from NIH is talking about the existential risk of pandemics as a reason for the ‘back up’ solution of moving to Mars. Interesting timing.
When will these institutions finally realize nobody is interested in listening to the introductions?
TWO WORDS: Manifest Destiny
Dr. Z lived and experienced the Von Braun age of space discovery; he like Mr. Musk were enormous risk takers, Musk now coming under FAA scrutiny as Braun had very little interference at all.. Its clear that the law doesn't universally favor across the board, nor is it relevant to a Mars society who's safety and security rests not on the rule of lawmakers millions of miles away, but rather the independence, self sustainability, and cooperation between themselves that of which overrule any earthlike judgement or law that precedes it. The idea that Earth can govern or rule over Mars is just as ridiculous as England taxing the colonists. This type of thinking is fundamentally obsolescent and flawed. Leading only to an independence on Mars and ultimately going to war with Earth not peace. What is most important is an understanding that land rights and claims to lands or landmarks are historically driving forces to establishing a permanent and sustainable outpost that in which protects and develops a long term stewardship. Any strategy moving forward must enable a tolerance towards a developing role in space rather than policing or preventing a particular group from going to space. It seems rather unconstitutional to dictate who belongs in space or not as all man are created equal and deserve life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Wow, one of the best talks of Zubrin, and I have seen many.
Please check out this great interview/talk with Zubrin, by European Space Foundation: ua-cam.com/video/uCIt9pa3daM/v-deo.html
He needs 40 billion asap
Cabo Corrientes and San Carlos, Tomatlan Giant Dune, Jalisco México, is ready as a Mars' Accelerator !! Evidencie to be published.
54:52 Mining claims in the U.S. require one to do improvements to the property.
Three questions at a time was a disaster. And I have to agree with the space lawyer on land ownership. Non interference is enough. As soon as you plow a field (develop land), you now have a man made construct easily defined and awarded protection from interference.
This lawyer guy is really annoying, he's attacking straw man arguments... eg 46:30, zubrin never made chronic assumptions or "estimates how difficult these problems are".
he gives off the vibe that ultimately, he just wants a piece of the pie.
@@xcidgaf True, that's what lawyers usually do.
Szoka “I don’t say this to be a pessimist”. Yeah dude, 3 years later, you’re a pessimist and gave off anti-human, anti-imagination vibes.
The Flatties are here
Flat sun society here
I heard the rings of Saturn's are spherical
Where are all the liberty minded space nerds at?
Mr Space Law is bitter over dumb career choices he made
you are an idiot, just like zubrin in legal matters.. learn about a topic before trying to school someone about that topic.
That’s actually not true he is a pioneer and visionary who was robbed
That guy talking about pandemic risks must feel somewhat smug right now.
Thank you dr zubrin we are on board with you lawyer talking none sense
And there we go, at 48:40, the outer space treaty. If I remember correctly, the U.S. didn't sign it, so its not in force in the U.S.
You’re thinking of the moon treaty.
31:48
49:14 of course we are going to junk the treaty, given it negates private property rights. Libertarian understand the treaty.
There needs to be a new treaty that involves non-signatories. After all China is the fastest growing space power and if it doesn't sign then there will be no point.
And this is why lawyers will not go to Mars....ugh...
When Zubrin had the opportunity to influence NASA regarding the follow-up to the Space Shuttle program -- he focused his efforts totally on pushing NASA towards developing the SLS using 1970s technology from the Space Shuttle instead of developing new technology like SpaceX did. The result is the SLS program which is in the process of flushing $20-30 billion of NASA money down the toilet with no end in sight. His actions are totally unforgivable.
In the 1970s and afterwards -- Zubrin was positioned to be the world leader in pushing for new SpaceX-type technology. He completely dropped the ball and the result was that he was a primary cause of NASA's stagnation for decades.
Now Zubrin has totally changed his tune and has jumped on the Elon bandwagon in a desperate attempt to try to resurrect his career and thus his livelyhood. His HUGE past failures that led to the creation of the SLS has magically disappeared from his books and talks. He no longer owns his massive involvement. I tried -- but I could find nothing original that Zubrin is responsible for. What he says is not BS -- instead he is good at taking OTHER people's creative ideas and making them sound like his own. Thank goodness for Elon and Elon's vision. I would personally not waste my time or money to read his books or listen to his talks.
Hey could you point out where I can read about this? I haven’t heard this point of view before and I’m interested
I have know about Robert Zubrin, since the middle of 1980's. What you tell is a lie.
50:20 So homesteading it is. Still going to have property rights involved with this.
I disagree with Robert Zubren over the NASA 2024 deadline I belive they can achieve that as they have achieved a 5 percent increase for Fy 2020 in their budget
you keep trusting in NASA? you are an idiot. Congress already want to delay that to 2028..
Who is that boring antagonist suit and can someone shut him up?
1:09:24 - Pandemic Risks? what did this guy know in December!?
They have the flue in Mars, what mammels live there?! I am sure Bats to
I love Zubrin, but he should learn to shut up in legal matters, he can provide his opinion, but it is stupid to argue with a professional in that matter.
I am not a lawyer but I read the space outer treaty years ago, I think it was the best law that could have been develop to avoid any future conflicts and to drive humanity and private persons in a search for solutions to serve a need instead of a political war as Zubrin propose without any benefits at all.
The benefits is the survival of the humanity. Treaties and law is decided by humans, and can be changed by humans.
@@gagarinone But the treaty exist.. and provides a beautiful law frame, which instead being base on ownership on "land or celestial bodies", is base on ownership of your own hardware or things you mine.
This mean it does not matter who reach that place first, who plant a flag; you can do your thing, and others can do the same meanwhile they not interfere in direct or indirect way with the other.
Economics, business activities and living would work beautiful under that frame, not need for stupid wars or fights about limits.
Even the property of normal civilians would be protected by that law.
Space is not real
I am not real
memes aren't real
Dork