Look at Liverpool's PL fixtures vs Arsenal please. Fuad is a hater and i watched the whole episode every single time Cams gave Arsenal defence praise Fuad would reference Liverpool randomly way even before this actual debate
As if Liverpool defense hasn't been world class with VVD for more than just the last 2-3 years of Gab/Saliba "dominance".... whether it was Gomez/Konate/Fab/Rhys/Matip/Quansah let's get real here
At this point I don’t understand how this can be a conversation? Liverpool have played who and have a loss, Arsenal have played some BIG teams and remain UNBEATEN… No comparison but we will see in the coming month !
Doesn't matter who you play. Arsenal didn't win the league last season because they lost 4 points to Fulham and 3 points at home to West Ham,just to point out a few. Liverpool lost to NF after only conceding 2 chances all game. It was the attack that let Liverpool down that day. It's the only game Liverpool haven't won or score in all season. I'm a Liverpool fan and Saliba Gabriel partnership is the best in the league for a while now. However Liverpool defence is up to something just by the way Slot wants us to play.
@@michaelo9426 Last season we beat you at the Emirates in the FA cup 2-0. The league game at Anfield was a draw after Odegaard was playing basketball in the penalty area and you won the other league game at Emirates,so it was an even season and it's only recently this fixture became a bit difficult for Liverpool. Arsenal was one of the easiest team to play against💀. I realize the goal post tense to shift when someone is using an argument to fit their narrative. They're no easy games in the Premier League yet Liverpool haven't played anyone so far🙄. Make that make sense.
Not only have we played harder teams, two of those teams we’ve played we’ve been down to 10 men with significant amount of minutes left in both games. I’m not even hearing that conversation 😂
Didn't you concede 3 goals in total in your own stadium against Southampton and Leicester - two of the worst teams in the league and almost certain to be relegated?
When you have 10 men you naturally go way more defensive. fair enough you've done it but if you've got all 4 defenders on, cdm pivots on (aware you done it with rice off for a bit), it's not as impressive as what Liverpool do with the attacking fullbacks. Liverpools CDM isnt as defensively minded as rice or partay etc
Because it's a pointless argument, every team in the premier league can do you over if you don't play well. Liverpool defenders have still had to defend against these "lesser teams" idiots like you want to disrespect all the time.
Did this guy say he hadn’t seen a season form van Dijk and konate ? The season were Liverpool almost won the quadruple this two were unbeaten apart from the ucl final
The way this guy's are over simplifying the conversation is rather sad. Compare the strength of the teams that were played not just the goals conceded.
and if statements like "arsneal have the best defence partnership" makes them happy then so be it, they can have it like we let Spurs have their "Oh Harry Kane is the best prem striker". Got no time to argue with desperates who will cling on to anything since they lack silverware and don't have any major honors to show for so might as well let them have that.
People need to stop saying Liverpool haven’t played any top teams when Arsenal let in 3 goals against 2 newly promoted teams who let’s face it are probably gonna get relegated. I think the 2 of them are massively overrated I just think the way Arteta sets out his play style which is so defensive with the 4 CBs the 2 DMs it makes them look better then they are because all you need to do is look at Brazil games and you’ll realise Gabriel is bog standard
4 cbs 2dms is laughable if you actually watch us you’ll see they don’t just sit infront of the defence you think timber plays like a cb when he’s playing full back ?
This argument is so disingenuous....Arsenal have played with 10 men in 2 out of 7 matches.... judging them both in 7 matches and saying they are overrated. Where have you been for the past few years?
They still had 3 seasons with 90+ points, Arsenal yet to reach that mark. They still won trophies and played 3 Champions league finals in 4 years (2018 - 2022), won 1 and lost 2 against Madrid in an unfortunate way "thanks" to Karius blunders and Courtois saving Madrid in 2022, Arsenal have played 1 CL final in their entire history, so there's different levels. And all of this with Liverpool spending less money on transfers than Arsenal.
@@IceClawz. livepool lost mate Arensal ain’t lost and we played villa Tottenham Man City Brighton so for that reason alone we got a better defensive than Liverpool in my opinion
@@NicholasBalasal included spurs like they ain't on the same points as 11th place Brentford....and you're acting like villa didn't rinse your defence,just lacked finishing.
Ok, so even if Arsenal end up with less goals at the end of the season and be proclaimed as the best defence in the league, can you really and confidently say Gabriel and Saliba individually and as a pair are better than Konate and Van Dijk?! I mean, Arsenal have 4 CBs in their backline - Calafiori, Gabriel, Saliba and White with defensive minded midfielders in front of them - Partey and Rice and they still conceded 3 goals at home against Leicester and Southampton. Liverpool's backline is basically Virgil and Konate, because Trent and Tsimikas/Robbo are attack minded fullbacks and Ryan Gravenberch/Mac Allister are 8s that are given some defensive duties as well. Maybe as a unit Arsenal will be more defensively solid than Liverpool, but they should be with 4 CBs and 2 CDMs. If they're not when they are focused on not conceding, then they should be really worried.
Yeah Calafiori is very defensive minded wch is why he’s scored already from open play against City. You don’t have to make up narratives just to make your defenders look better you know.
@@kolumbus8021 Doesn't change the fact Calafiori is a CB by trait and position. He played as CB for Bologna, plays as CB with Italy and right now in Arsenal as LB, because Gabriel is there. Sure, he is decent at attack, but is not an attack minded fullback. You can be defensive and still score the occasonal goal.
I'll listen to Rudiger on this, he knows more than any fan, commentator or journalist. Saliba and Gabriel for me. Liverpool haven't really been tested yet this season.
Easy to look decent with 4 cbs and 2 dms playing. Why did they concede against Southampton and Leicester? Konate and vvd also have way more responsibility than those 2 scrubs
Arsenal all day.. not even a worthy debate 😂 Arsenal have had this unbelievable CB partnership for a little while now 🧱 🧱 Rudiger said it.. best in Europe
@@GhengisGoon we’ve spent 10 million this season,we’ve spent 1/3 of the top 6,we’ve won everything….Arsenal have spent a fortune and Arteta has been there for years now and you’ve still won nothing….Arsenal have never won a European trophy,Arsenal haven’t won the league in 2 decades 😂 Leicester had you on the ropes and so did Southampton,your target man is Havertz 😅
I'm a Liverpool fan but we haven't played real teams apart from shaky Man United. Arsenal has already played Villa, Spurs and City away.
I’m interested to see how yall will defend this upcoming games if you still concede less goals then you might have the edge
Not a Liverpool fan 💯
"Apart from United".... so you haven't played real teams? 😂
@michaelmacintosh4623 Being a fan doesn't eliminate objectivity from perspectives and opinions.
@@lifeinchristtv5650 🤥
Look at Liverpool's PL fixtures vs Arsenal please. Fuad is a hater and i watched the whole episode every single time Cams gave Arsenal defence praise Fuad would reference Liverpool randomly way even before this actual debate
Will go for saliba/Gabriel all the way.. coz they even add crucial goals
So do virgil and konate . And those two win cups too
VVD does it all the time
Van Dijk literally scored to win us a cup final last season and was the mvp in that game
That's so stupid so by ur point Trent is better than ur whole midfield combined? Because create more chances and big chances
@@Aloviya odeegard created more. nice try tho
Very eager to see Konate vs Havertz again, will really say a lot about his development as a defender 👀
And Havertz development as a troll 😂
@@3bladeninja21 been amazing
Still blows my mind that the France national team don’t play Saliba and Konate and they keep shoving in Upa he his shocking
Deschamps has his favourites. Only this euros he realised he can’t ignore Saliba’s quality anymore.
As if Liverpool defense hasn't been world class with VVD for more than just the last 2-3 years of Gab/Saliba "dominance".... whether it was Gomez/Konate/Fab/Rhys/Matip/Quansah let's get real here
At this point I don’t understand how this can be a conversation? Liverpool have played who and have a loss,
Arsenal have played some BIG teams and remain UNBEATEN…
No comparison but we will see in the coming month !
Doesn't matter who you play. Arsenal didn't win the league last season because they lost 4 points to Fulham and 3 points at home to West Ham,just to point out a few. Liverpool lost to NF after only conceding 2 chances all game. It was the attack that let Liverpool down that day. It's the only game Liverpool haven't won or score in all season. I'm a Liverpool fan and Saliba Gabriel partnership is the best in the league for a while now. However Liverpool defence is up to something just by the way Slot wants us to play.
@@maldini3184we are talking about NOW…If you talk last season you lost 3-1 to us and our defender Gabriel scored at Anfield
@@michaelo9426 Last season we beat you at the Emirates in the FA cup 2-0. The league game at Anfield was a draw after Odegaard was playing basketball in the penalty area and you won the other league game at Emirates,so it was an even season and it's only recently this fixture became a bit difficult for Liverpool. Arsenal was one of the easiest team to play against💀. I realize the goal post tense to shift when someone is using an argument to fit their narrative. They're no easy games in the Premier League yet Liverpool haven't played anyone so far🙄. Make that make sense.
@maldini3184 preach bro! Arsenal fans too confident without winning anything
@@michaelo9426Ok? Liverpool beat you in the fa cup
Clip farming to the max
Its international break 😂 that much is clear
I would take Ali and VVD over anyone else in the league. Everyone else is debatable
Not only have we played harder teams, two of those teams we’ve played we’ve been down to 10 men with significant amount of minutes left in both games. I’m not even hearing that conversation 😂
You've conceded 3 goals to newly promoted teams....more than Liverpool have conceded in all games
Didn't you concede 3 goals in total in your own stadium against Southampton and Leicester - two of the worst teams in the league and almost certain to be relegated?
When you have 10 men you naturally go way more defensive. fair enough you've done it but if you've got all 4 defenders on, cdm pivots on (aware you done it with rice off for a bit), it's not as impressive as what Liverpool do with the attacking fullbacks. Liverpools CDM isnt as defensively minded as rice or partay etc
Because it's a pointless argument, every team in the premier league can do you over if you don't play well. Liverpool defenders have still had to defend against these "lesser teams" idiots like you want to disrespect all the time.
Let’s be real, both partnerships are unreal and have the perfect blend of defenders. Konate and Saliba Will work, so would Gabriel and VVD. Elite!!!!
Fuad bouncing up and down in his seat, acting like he didn’t think Romero and vdv were better than gabi and Saliba🤣🤣🤣🤣
Fuad’s opinion is invalid for any CB conversation. Man still thinks Romero is on the same level as Gabriel what a joke.
Top top analysis and commentary lads. Hats off. Keep it rolling
VVD is top class.. let's see if he's still at Liverpool come next season though, he can sign with foreign clubs from January
Come off it Liverpool have only played 1 team in the top 10 and they lost that game....Arsenal have gone to Villa, Spurs and City
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Arsenal have conceded more goals to newly promoted teams than Liverpool have in all games tho...
Van Dijk and Konate have done it in the PL and UCL...Saliba and Gabrielle got rinsed by Bayern Munich 👍🏾
@@tcarb4812What’s Konate done in the UCL 👍🏽
@@tcarb4812 no Konate was only back up to Matip ?
Defensively, the CBs are very close but the fullbacks are not even remotely close. White Saliba Gabriel Timber is levels above
VVD AND KONATE are currently the best CB duo in europe rn , but you dismiss it on the guise that they havent played big teams, thats nonsense
Is it just me who would if they could, have Van Dijk and Gabriel😮💨
Eh Fuad!! Calm down before it happens again!!
Arsenal played 2 halves with 10 men……Liverpool do looked very good though.
Real Men - big 6’4+ defenders. And yanited tryna big Lisandro to the party 😂😂
Saliba is an Arsenal fan I don’t see him moving to Madrid 😂
Why is man so happy that Virgil is having a good season 😂 don't you support spurs 🤔 ohhhh you don't wanna admit Saliba is the best I get it 😒🤣
Did this guy say he hadn’t seen a season form van Dijk and konate ? The season were Liverpool almost won the quadruple this two were unbeaten apart from the ucl final
‘Almost won the quadruple’ is wild 😂😂
Konate played 11 prem games that season brother
Arsenal have also played more than 100inutes with 10 men.... that's not a discredit of Liverpool defence
Why is the spurs badge next to a premier league trophy? It dont look right, can you sort that out please
Do these man not understand there’s 2 others positions in a defence?
The way this guy's are over simplifying the conversation is rather sad. Compare the strength of the teams that were played not just the goals conceded.
and if statements like "arsneal have the best defence partnership" makes them happy then so be it, they can have it like we let Spurs have their "Oh Harry Kane is the best prem striker". Got no time to argue with desperates who will cling on to anything since they lack silverware and don't have any major honors to show for so might as well let them have that.
Just sound so hurt it’s not the same thing
Bro is rattled...absolutely shook. Giving props doesn't hurt anyone. Its called sportsmanship.
@@vagrant_ijnIt’s the same thing
@@Bobbyjohnson2xHow isn’t it
Comparing Liverpool's CB pair to Arsenal's is ridiculous. Liverpool defense has only done it for 7 games,how is that comparable to 2-3 seasons.
People need to stop saying Liverpool haven’t played any top teams when Arsenal let in 3 goals against 2 newly promoted teams who let’s face it are probably gonna get relegated. I think the 2 of them are massively overrated I just think the way Arteta sets out his play style which is so defensive with the 4 CBs the 2 DMs it makes them look better then they are because all you need to do is look at Brazil games and you’ll realise Gabriel is bog standard
4 cbs 2dms is laughable if you actually watch us you’ll see they don’t just sit infront of the defence you think timber plays like a cb when he’s playing full back ?
This guy doesn't watch arsenal play, lol
This argument is so disingenuous....Arsenal have played with 10 men in 2 out of 7 matches.... judging them both in 7 matches and saying they are overrated. Where have you been for the past few years?
😂😂😂
Liverpool conceded against a Forest and lost the game, so what’s your point?
Liverpool haven't played the "tough teams" but Arsenal have conceded half their goals against relegation sides
They conceded 3goals and still unbeaten. Liverpool has conceded just 2goals with a loss already. Way to miss the point.
Obviously the Spuds fan isn’t going to pick Arsenal defence why ask him anything to do with Arsenal, 0 ball knowledge so much hate just childish.
Have vvd and konate faced villa, spurs, city and brighton?
They don't need to, cos arsenal already conceeded to newly promoted lescester and Southampton
Arsenal have played Villa, Spurs and City away AND still haven't lost. Le'ts wait until LFC play a real opponent. Nobody say MUFC.
So why did those 2 bums concede against Leicester and Southampton? Their meant to be easy games aren't they?
But you conceded 3 goals in 2 games against relegation sides tho? Ur point literally makes no sense at all
@@Aloviyastill got the 3 points didn’t Liverpool LOSE TO FORREST
@@michaelo9426 aren't you 3rd and embarassing The PL in UCL?
Because Liverpool would concede against those big teams? Are you brain dead or?
Let be honest let see how they do against better opponents in the next 7 games Liverpool got to play they got the best defence but lost how that 😂😂
Arsenal and city’s defences were weaker against weaker teams. Liverpool’s was not.
Liverpool fans out from their shells thanks to that Covid Title. Ffs
Haha. Playing without fans is MUCH harder. And like you would refuse any title, COVID or not. The level of cope here 😂
They still had 3 seasons with 90+ points, Arsenal yet to reach that mark. They still won trophies and played 3 Champions league finals in 4 years (2018 - 2022), won 1 and lost 2 against Madrid in an unfortunate way "thanks" to Karius blunders and Courtois saving Madrid in 2022, Arsenal have played 1 CL final in their entire history, so there's different levels.
And all of this with Liverpool spending less money on transfers than Arsenal.
@@Vladi2102 I know. That’s all forgotten to make arsenal cope better lol
Obviously arsenal defenders look good..theyve got 4 other players protecting them
Liverpool play a high line, Arsenal play a low block, u decide 🔥
Arsenal does not play a low block. We are versatile.
Not true , only man city have a high defensive line than arsenal last season and it was higher just by small marginal
Tried and tested, didn't they got cooked by Haland
Arsenal have conceded 3 goals to newly promoted teams, Liverpool have conceded 2 goals so far ... Arsenal cant have the best defence
One goal was they score the other two goals was Arsenal fault havetz and sliba fault
@@NicholasBalasal can literally say the same for the goals Liverpool conceded mate...
@@IceClawz. livepool lost mate Arensal ain’t lost and we played villa Tottenham Man City Brighton so for that reason alone we got a better defensive than Liverpool in my opinion
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@@NicholasBalasal included spurs like they ain't on the same points as 11th place Brentford....and you're acting like villa didn't rinse your defence,just lacked finishing.
partey therapist’s lawyers have the best defence
shock surprise the spurs fan going against arsenal lol
Arsenal literally play 4 center back and 2 dm.
Ok, so even if Arsenal end up with less goals at the end of the season and be proclaimed as the best defence in the league, can you really and confidently say Gabriel and Saliba individually and as a pair are better than Konate and Van Dijk?! I mean, Arsenal have 4 CBs in their backline - Calafiori, Gabriel, Saliba and White with defensive minded midfielders in front of them - Partey and Rice and they still conceded 3 goals at home against Leicester and Southampton.
Liverpool's backline is basically Virgil and Konate, because Trent and Tsimikas/Robbo are attack minded fullbacks and Ryan Gravenberch/Mac Allister are 8s that are given some defensive duties as well. Maybe as a unit Arsenal will be more defensively solid than Liverpool, but they should be with 4 CBs and 2 CDMs. If they're not when they are focused on not conceding, then they should be really worried.
Yeah Calafiori is very defensive minded wch is why he’s scored already from open play against City. You don’t have to make up narratives just to make your defenders look better you know.
@@kolumbus8021 Doesn't change the fact Calafiori is a CB by trait and position. He played as CB for Bologna, plays as CB with Italy and right now in Arsenal as LB, because Gabriel is there.
Sure, he is decent at attack, but is not an attack minded fullback. You can be defensive and still score the occasonal goal.
Who have Liverpool played tho compared to arsenal?
Vvd and ibou clear any day
Liverpool all day
Lol
@@NakulKrishnaSuch an insightful comment. So much substance.
Lol
VVD is the best cb in world football 💯
Liverpool only conceded 2 goals, the best record in the EPL. What is there to debate? Liverpool’s defence IS the best so far. End of.
Liverpool have played Yeovil and Leyton Orient under 18s. Arsenal have played City, Spurs and Villa away, plus Brighton at home.
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Liverpool have lost city and Arsenal haven’t
@@michaelo9426 only by one goal to a team that beat Chelsea away. Which again shows how good the defence is.
@@Joseph-Cottrell and conceded more goals too
Lfc duo
I'll listen to Rudiger on this, he knows more than any fan, commentator or journalist. Saliba and Gabriel for me. Liverpool haven't really been tested yet this season.
Easy to look decent with 4 cbs and 2 dms playing. Why did they concede against Southampton and Leicester? Konate and vvd also have way more responsibility than those 2 scrubs
@@gurjsidhu2561Oh shut it Gurj
@gurjsidhu2561 Van Disney lost to Forest 😂
@@gurjsidhu2561 Konate and VVD lost to Forest....but thanks for trying anyway.
VVD drug test
Defense wins games, Stones wins trebles
Liverpool defense wins trophies, Arsenal defense wins no trophies.
Arsenal all day.. not even a worthy debate 😂 Arsenal have had this unbelievable CB partnership for a little while now 🧱 🧱 Rudiger said it.. best in Europe
Yet haven’t won fk all 😅
Statistically it’s VVD and konate comfortably plus they’ve actually won something.
yeah bro not even worth debating against world, european, and domestic champions is it
@michaelmacintosh4623 Van Disney lost to Forrest 😂
@@GhengisGoon we’ve spent 10 million this season,we’ve spent 1/3 of the top 6,we’ve won everything….Arsenal have spent a fortune and Arteta has been there for years now and you’ve still won nothing….Arsenal have never won a European trophy,Arsenal haven’t won the league in 2 decades 😂
Leicester had you on the ropes and so did Southampton,your target man is Havertz 😅