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Conservatives have downplayed devastating by election defeats in Tamworth and Mid Bedfordshire, saying voters who stayed at home will rally behind the Tories in a general election. The polls say otherwise, according to the New Statesman’s polling expert Ben Walker:
He breaks down the results of the by elections with Anoosh Chakelian on the New Statesman podcast, and explains why the data suggests Keir Starmer should be preparing to move into Number 10.
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I'll put it simply: I do not want to live in a Tory Britain anymore.
Thanks to Brexit it will be a tory Britain for a very long time, sadly.
I've lived in one since I was twelve years old.
My parents lived through one through their teens and their twenties.
None of us want it to ever happen again.
I agree, totally incompetent losers who have no idea what they are doing other than lining the pockets of themselves & their pals.
I swear tory governments are this country's version of game of thrones long night. I was a sweet summer child growing up under new Labour, had no idea this Tory Winter could happen to the country I was so proud of
The Tories are out of touch, we are paying the price of austerity with crime rising and poor hospital infrastructure.
They want to help the rich (Liz Truss tax cuts) and don’t care about inequality in the people or regions
"The British people don't want an election.". Says Rishi.
I would prefer an investigation and a trial, however, i am desperate just to see the back of them.
The trial will 'hopefully', come soon after the Election.
when the pandemic enquiry is finished there will be charges i'm sure
@@CarlinConnolly I hope your right 👍.
If a Labour government does not prosecute those politicians who wronged the country in the recent years, I would probably not vote for them again.
@@CarlinConnollyin a utopian reality that maybe the case. But it’s easier for the justice system to go after a single mum, living on pittance who gets overpaid by the incompetent dwp system rather than go after the big fraudsters who sit in parliament. Mad Nads prime example, if she did what she did whilst on benefits, she’d be locked up by now.
Britain a failed state like America. Nothing hew here.
So pleased this Tory nightmare is coming to an end in the next 12 months or so.
Me too, it's been a crushing long 14yrs. For the first time in a very long time I feel some optimism for the future.
I hear you, but I have no intention of celebrating until I see Sunak give his concession speech on the steps of 10 Downing Street. Quickly followed by the sight of Sir Keir making his way to the palace to see the King.
Do be replace by the Labour Party nightmare.
You have no idea. Just wait.
Starmer is controlled by Trilateral commission and WEF. Net zero,Jet zero, travel zero, jobs zero. You will own nothing....The agenda marches on no matter the faces on your TV.
To be replaced with Labour in charge , what another nightmare to look forward to, mass immigration and massive borrowing, big tech companies leaving because Starmer wants to hammer them with a corparation tax
Now its Conservative voters fault for not Voting ? Everyone's fault but ours again !
The Tories would blame their grandmothers if they thought they could get a vote out of it.
Because they are not worth voting for 😏
Surely the question is *WHY* didn't they vote ?
My guess is that the current Conservative government don't even appeal to their own demographic.
Look suella and Priti Patel - they are already blaming their kind to win votes.
« If it werent for the tory voters we would have won »… said the losing tories😂
It would be amazing if we could finally see the Tories reduced to the third largest party in parliament, and therefore not even qualify as the next opposition. After all the chaos and needless division and hatred of the last few years that would be poetic justice at last. I know its a long shot - but once upon a time, back in the days of Lloyd George, the Liberals thought such a thing couldn't happen to them. They were wrong, and they still haven't entirely recovered. I just want to see the Tory party get a taste of the same.
That would be brilliant Jenny. Even though the tories are a clone of New Labour and aren’t even a centre right party anymore. If we get rid of them then we would have only Labour the Libs and the greens. Then we could all live in a socialist far left paradise. We could then get rid of our borders and ban cars and meat. Yippee
Why? What policies do they have that will fix the mess we're in? @RemoanersRtossers
@RemoanersRtossers Sadly, looking at their website, many of the policies of Reform are about as far as it is humanly possible to get from anything I believe in or could support. Anyway according to your username I am a proud and utterly unrepentant "Tosser" - although I'm not quite sure why we actually need to resort to name calling here. I'm 63 and I'm not in the school playground, so I am happy to acknowledge that some people do have perfectly reasonable reasons for holding different views from me, and it doesnt make them invalid as humans. I just don't happen to agree with them, particularly when, as the Tories have recently been doing, those views spill over into demonsing whole swathes of minorities whose only real crime was/is to be a bit different, and perhaps inconvenient.
@RemoanersRtossers Yes I know Brexit was an entirely logical choice for people who were in that position, because unfortunately the political establishment at that time weren't listening to the very real problems that were being caused in those groups. Sadly I don't think the outcome has been entirely the positive one that you were hoping for though, which for some of us on the other side was the main reason we didn't vote to leave, because we genuinely worried that it was a risky strategy which might even backfire and make things worse for you. No matter - that choice has long since been made, for better or worse, so the important thing now is to make the current circumstances work as well as they can for the sake of everyone. That can only really be achieved with society working together - which is why I feel so strongly that current Tory moves to open up fresh divisions over so called wedge issues risk making things worse, and not, as I'm sure most reasonable people would wish, better.
@@jennyd255people resort to insults when they haven’t got an argument,
Sunak is awful, a complete disaster having him around. We needed him out yesterday.
He should not have been installed in the first place unelected
If Sunak is out before the GE we might get Suella as PM and that will finish off the Tory transformation into UKIP
So for all our sakes I am hoping Sunak stays in until the hopefully soon GE, but on the other hand a third leadership contest would hopefully mean they get absolutely stomped on top of all the other reasons they will be destroyed
EVERY Tory is awful, and a complete disaster. They should have gone a year ago.
Rishi would do better joining the snp
dall farter couldnt even run a curry house...
Everything in my being hates Sunak.
There were 3.8 million contractors and freelancers who were excluded from any financial support during the pandemic because of this piece of excrement all the while his wife got paid 1.3 million for now dissolved businesses.
Sunak’s history in short…
Pushed through the IR35, now over 35% of the big businesses including government departments will only hire contractors who belong with Infosys - Father in law’s business.
Pushed through childcare scheme, only 6 companies qualify including Kora Childcare - His wife is a major investor.
And don’t get me started how much his ‘sleeping’ investment company is making from the big fuel companies.
The man is so blatantly corrupt that it feels like I am living in a parallel universe where absolutely nothing makes sense.
It needs to be a criminal offence with a custodial sentence to lie to the public if an MP or a news outlet. We need to truth as a nation we deserve the truth as a people. I’m sick to death of having to listen to lies constantly from political parties and commentators working on behalf of MPs.
Instead of saying "We will do this" they could just say "We will try to do this", then it's not a lie if they don't do it.
Both parties lie. Starmer will not fix Britain. Democracy is an appalling joke. What Rupert Murdoch loves.
@@c_n_b Then you vote for the one who says they'll do it.....
What’s the Tory slogan in 2024?
‘14 years of failure’ 5 more years….
People look at their financial position, and that of the country and have absolutely zero reason to vote Tory.
ladies and gentle men, we are witnessing a truly beautiful moment in our lives. We are watching the total implosion and destruction of the tory party, one which may be bigger than the Tories in the mid 90's. these don't happen to often so lap it up.
Shame the UK has been destroyed as well.
Enjoy 1slam and your replacement.
Yeah great so we get a Labour party with tory policies. And people think that's something worth celebrating.
"Do the Tories have good policies?' WHAT policies?
Same as Labour.
perfect response
@@maccagrabme
Policy of destruction.
That's their only truth.
They'll repeal Labour's ban on unicorn riding.
Their policy is Inaction.
The Tories are fixated by Johnson and 2016 / 2019. They think if only they could find a similar leader, or similar policies, or go so far to the right to engage the extremists in red wall and poor seats, they could re-win that 80-seat majority.
That ain't gonna happen.
Johnson + Cummings + Brexit = a once-in-a-generation opportunity for Tories. The Tories have forsaken their traditional values in order to chase a temporary electorate who have moved on. Does anyone care about Brexit? Yes, of course they do, and there are extreme opinions on both sides, but the rank and file of the voting public have moved on. What matters to them is the economy, their pay packets, their public services, crumbling hospitals and waiting lists, their kids not able to go to schools which are falling down, and yes - bloody potholes. These seem trivial to the Westminster bubble, but they matter to ordinary people.
Also: Sunak is disliked and not trusted. He is extremely wealthy, he flies around to photo-ops in a helicopter, his policies benefit the wealthy (including his wife), and he just doesn't understand the vast majority of the voting public.
I think the Tories are hoping that their culture wars will revive them. After getting a high profile airing at the recent Tory conference it hasn't seemed to make much difference so far, but maybe an intense media campaign during the next general election will force voters to consider it more. Of course they are currently in government so if the culture wars is a problem that needs fixing, then why haven't they fixed it?
Probably the one and only way a campaign centered on 'culture war' topics could win an election. Is if the country and economy was booming, not just the wealthiest doing well, but across the board. Public services were being managed well and working efficiently and people were, on the whole, feeling positive about giving the Tories another term.
But none of the above is happening, we're seeing a largest fall in living standards that anyone alive can remember. The NHS, schools and now prisons are in a mess. Nobody beyond the most wealthiest and craziest cares about the Tories culture war topics when they're struggling to heat their homes and feed their families and get a GP or hospital appointment. It just makes the Tories look deluded and Sunak out of touch with the average family's concerns.
"Fixing it" for a Tory, means something completely different to what you think it is. It's more akin to jim'l fix it.
@@grizcuzThat's a good analysis. I also think that the "culture wars, anti-woke" stuff only engages with people who are terminally online anyway, which is actually very few voters. I've never had a real life conversation with anyone about this sort of thing. People are almost universally more concerned with jobs, living standards etc.
The worst case scenario is the Labour Party. Bring in Nigel Farraj.
@@jackroutledge352 I don't know where you live, but I live in Bolton and go to any pub or hold a conversation with most people that slightly involves politics and "those bleeming foreigners" come up.
Does Rishi care that he's "finished"? Privately he doesn't give a rat's a** because he's probably got a high-paying job waiting, and if not then he can take a long holiday and never be heard from again.
He doesn't need a high paying job, he's already the richest PM the country has ever had and he's used his position to make himself even more money
I think he'll mind being a PM who never won a leadership election or a general election.
@@UPTHETOWN🇮🇳 and fellow 🇮🇳's 1st always. PM is just a job. To uplift his own.
No personality, no charm,no charisma, no balls, no back bone ,they picked the worst person for number 10
No he's definitely better than liz truss but that's about all you can say.
@@Totalinternalreflectionsuella would be better😅
And not by accident.
They didn't pick him at all, he just kind of fell upwards
Vote Reform UK for real change.
No one really like Rishi, except maybe Mrs Rishi and even then I wouldn't hold my breath.
The torries are toast
What? He has a five point plan! A towering intellectual genius of a man. The Great Communicator. A true man of the people! Impossible to replace
hes handed billions to his father in law and wife. job done for him. and cut the bank's tax rate. mission achieved.
🤣
"Straight Tory apathy" is exactly how I see this. It may not necessarily be an endorsement of anyone else (for now), but "anything else, but Tory" seems to be what drove voters to the polls.
Maybe..but a wins a win in the end that's all that really matters.
I don't want to vote for Starmer, but I desperately want this bunch of crooks to be 'fettled'.
Otherwise it's Green Party.
Even Tory activists can't be bothered. They don't want their arses handed to them on a plate at every door they knock on. Labour activists on the other hand...
Not just Sunak. We need every Tory to go. Now.
You do lefty but they are even worse on the illegal immigration issue.
@@davidfoster2006the tories have made the highest immigration figures and boat migrants. In 2009 there we net 100k+ migrants. In 2022 it's over 1 million with over 100k boat and truck migrants. Bojo left the border open.
@@davidfoster2006 That’s Braverman’s plan all over. “All the problems in your life are caused by immigration (not us, despite us being in charge of immigration, not Brexit, not lack of investment or Tory corruption). And you think we’re bad? You should try Labour.” Truly pathetic. Just call a GE now.
This guy is an excellent data analyst with good political understanding
Time to rid ourselves of the tories !!!
Sunak never wanted to win…he just wants out and go home to California. What a disaster this unelected PM has been, q’el surprise!
He seemingly has only been in politics to gain influence and control, in order to feather his nest, and that of his extended family's as well. It's despicable. He's despicable.
@@jackdubz4247 After his utterly preposterous claim yesterday that Israel is doing all it can to avoid civilian casualties in Gaza Sunak should simply resign as a disgrace to Britain and to international politics.
The solution is to make the job of MP a licenced occupation with the proviso that they pay 90 percent tax on income earned during their tenure or Elect a squirrel because they know what to do with nuts.
All PMs and cabinets are unelected. The monarch selects the PM by divine right, and the PM selects the cabinet by divine right.
@@frogandspanner King Charles did not Elect Sunak. Unless he's a day job in charge of the Tories.
Ironic that the modern Conservative Party was effectively established in Tamworth.
I would like to thank the constituents who didn't vote Right Wing, you did humanity a favour.
To those who voted Right Wing, shame on you, although you probably don't feel shame, ever.
Enjoy your replacement.
Sunak has looked like a caretaker since day one. And he’s not really even been up to that role.
Sunak Sunk, I do hope so. They've tried everything else, why not try being conservative?
And still no one has bothered to learn how to correctly pronounce Flitwick.😅
If one is a grown up, a soldier, one counts the cost BEFORE one commits to an action. What the UK people need to do before they cast their next vote, is count the cost. When the tories become government, UK people die unnecessarily. Under a tory government British lives are lost. Count the cost
Interesting comment about the candidate being seen. When I canvassed years ago there was certainly a proportion of voters who put significant value on seeing the candidate or even just their canvassers on their street. The effect of actually trying in some semi-rural areas, especially if the Tories have been lazy, could be significant. I now live in such a constituency (Harborough) and there is a base Labour vote here even though almost no Labour presence. Don't assume Neil O'Brien MP is unassailable!
Californian Helicopter Taxi for Mr Sunak.
First time viewing your broadcast, I really enjoyed the moderate tone thank you. As to the ‘ Starmer no drama’ observations. I think you are right. The current Labour Party may not be the answer to our restructuring, socially or economically but we need a line in the sand. A new datum line from which to take our measurements. The erratic variables and extremes that are conveyed to us in screams shouts and demented rants on a daily basis by our current government are proof we just need an anchor. We need someone in midfield to put their foot on the ball and look up, take a little time and consider the next pass. To use another football analogy, as a country we can now be best considered in terms of the 1970s football chant of “nobody likes us and we don’t care” So we now have an opposition leader acting like our premier, he is in general terms non contentious, upsets very few people or nations. That can be interpreted in many ways, weak devious dishonest, there was a time when it would have been considered diplomatic, now there’s a skill we could use in government right now. Boring? No drama? Or just a Steady Eddy. Move over egos and enter ‘no drama Starmer’ or should that be ‘ No fear Kier’? Thank you for the platform for me to air my moderate rant
Fed up of Tories being questioned on tv and never answering the question and then when asked the same question again doubling down and making themselves look unelectable
So SIR Kier never does this then. He is well known for going round in circles and never answers how he is going to do accomplish such things too.
The fact that a lot of Tory voters didn't vote, is a very important fact. If your OWN supporters won't turn out and vote for you when you're in trouble, it's highly significant. I.e. you're f^cked.
Labour exactly the same but aren't intelligent enough to give an answer.
@@maccagrabme you missed out the word "are" in that sentence.
I personally want them to look unelectable, in fact, the more unelectable the better!
sunak finished, he never started,he’s done absolutely nothing worth talking about.
Tories out ASAP, but the cowards will cling on for dear life...
To be replaced by the Labour Party cowards.
@@davidfoster2006 You've been taking politics lessons off of Sunak. All he does it point at Labour and scream. It isn't working for him either.
Wow, a sensible unbiased political discussion! Well done but it’ll never catch on!!😂
What a great headline 👏
If the Tories think far right politics or culture wars will win it for them then they have no chance. Most of the electorate are centre ground, moderate left or right and have more important things to worry about than who uses what toilet or people seeking asylum.
@RemoanersRtossersLook up Maihri Black’s speech on “the F word” in recent British politics. Or don’t, up to you.
Yeah but his amazing election winner policy is about "small boats", WTF that means, LOL!
I can start to sleep better knowing from next year we wont be bothered by the Tories for at least 10 years.
Red Tories are the same thing. Neoliberalism is safe in the hands of the so called Labour Party.
Sleepwalking more like, into disaster. There is little difference between the 3 main parties, all the same agendaz and all born liars and traitorz. Believe me you will be very poor within 10 years if you waste your vote on these parties.
It's Flittick, many thanks
Flitwick is pronounced Fli-tick. The W is silent.
It isn’t pronounced Flitwick. It’s pronounced Flittick.
How bad do you have to be to lose an election when the whole country's media supports you?
They're the worst type.. They are borderline Russia, except they have CCTV and the most effective spying system in the world, reading everything we say online.
Bring back Clement Attlee - the best Government we have ever had,
The idea that we are in ‘mid term’ is laughable
So true - Tories using the 'mid term' obviously have terrific difficulty with maths. And the truth.
Vote tactically people. Find out who came second in your constituency in 2019, and then vote for that party. And don't split the vote, or a Tory will slither back into Parliament. The aim is to make the the Tory Party the third party in Westminster. But it requires every eligible voter to register to vote, get their ID and V OTE. This is not a time for laziness, politics is not for me, I can't be bothered or tribalism. We NEED a government that can improve the country, not destroy it.
Good cogent analysis, no bias just objective & extrapolating from established facts.
No one voted for Richi, we dont want him
I’m Asian and I know Rishi will hold on as long as possible because as an Asian he and his family will use that kudos for decades. That’s how most Asian cringey minds work unfortunately. Looking good is far more important than any other aspect of life.
🇮🇳 1st always
the way he pronounced flitwick is hilarious
Bearing in mind that no-one had any say in Itchy Nutsack being foisted on us.
Psepholgy is almost pointless when you look at the voters. Many voters don't have any sense of politics, civics, ideas or economics and swap parties on a self interested/emotionally driven whim. They seem to do so on the basis of often spurious arguments they encounter in their fave media. Voter interviews in the constituencies are often a cause for complete despair.
Most voters are thick but are blissfully unaware of their lack of knowledge about the basics but express the little they know with confidence.
The best argument against democracy is five minutes with the average voter.
@@JoelJoel321 It is deeply dysfunctional and I wonder why those who want to make society better for the majority even bother given the apathy and habitual voting against self interest displayed by the millions who vote Tory as well as the greed and selfishness of those who should know better.
@@eightiesmusic1984 They may be blissfully unaware...but they are happy to share their 'knowledge' and 'insight'...and they have the vote!
@@paulwalker797 I know. They are free to vote for a system that has destroyed society at every turn since 1979. Neoliberalism is an extremist ideology that has captured the two main parties. The Tories have always been on the wrong side of history and are essentially a con trick acting on behalf of the rich at the expense of the majority. Countries make choices, voters decide in democracies but one day the electorate ( England in particular) will have to come to terms with why a system it has backed for forty years has failed and its own role in helping to wreck the the social fabric of the country and failed to deliver significant economic growth by its own measure. Sustainable growth is another story, of course.
I'm a Lib Dem (by inclination, until the 2010 debacle) living in a Labour/Tory marginal.
Under FPTP, my vote doesn't count, therefore, I vote tactically for Labour.
In the 16+ years at my current address, I've never seen a Tory/Lib Dem candidate. The best we get is a leaflet through the door. Speaks volumes!
They don't want to bother you :-) They have the same attitude when they are in their seats. If they had a magic wand to make all the voters invisible, they would use it.
Funny, I have the flip side problem where I live. Would like to vote Labour this time but I'll always be voting tactically for the Lib Dems in my constituency (something I'm happy to do as I like the Lib Dems and see them and the current Labour team as natural bedfellows)
*Bye, bye, Baron Richie!*
Goodbye Roland
The Tory party isn’t even the Tory party that it was. Anyone normal and reasonable was turfed out after the brexit fiasco and a lineup of loons put in instead. When they inevitably governed biritain disastrously as soon as they were put in place it was always going to be grim for that party the next time round.
The Best, effective, Election-winning strategy that the Conservatives could apply, is to Hope and Pray that the general population forgets: David Cameron and Theresa May (for Brexit) Boris Johnson for Brexit, Covid and general arseholiery, Liz Truss and Kwasi Q for farce, and of course Rishi Sunak who is pretending there's nothing to see. IF the conservatives can convince the electorate to forget all that; Labour will have no chance
Sushi would do a better job than Rishi. a wet fish PM.
It’s not just a Tory Britain it’s a brexit Britain and folk got what they wanted
Does anyone know where Rishi Sunak has come from? as I’ve seen a video of him in 2014, when he was being interviewed and he wasn’t even a politician he was the mouthpiece for policy exchange think tank. Then he got elected in Yorkshire even though he came from Southampton? He hasn’t even been an MP for 10 years yet now he’s prime minister!! Someone has parachuted him in. 🤔
Flitwick is pronounced FLITTICK. Thanks.
Still difficult to call due to the low turnouts and things we're just as bad in 2015, 2017 & 2019 and people still trotted out and voted Tory but it was interesting to see more voters happy to say on camera they had switched from voting conservative to labour so maybe we've finally reached a tipping point..
Come on Kier we’re waiting for you!
Absolutely made my day😊😊😊❤
I've a friend who's beloved only daughter bought a Vote Tory tee shirt. 😕She was slapped, ridiculed, derided and spat at. And that was in her own living room.😂😂😂
So what i am hearing is the more money a party has the better chance of winning.Which is corrupt at the core
why did tory still manage to get 10k votes
Good analysis
Hopefully as the Tory’s have destroyed our area , no police , no parking attendants , practically no council work done , time for change
I am a Tamworth resident that always used to vote Conservative but haven't done since the last general election. Chris Pincher is part of the reason I moved away from them. Sunak isn't a leader and I don't trust him. Having said that I didn't bother voting yesterday because I don't trust any politician anymore.
How will you vote in the GE
@@cochise6345 undecided. But it definitely won't be a vote for the Conservatives.
If you aren’t interested in voting for either the Tory’s or Labour would you consider voting Green? They need all the help they can and their goals are helpful not only for our local environment in our towns and cities, but globally as well.
People who do not vote is not doing their civic duty.
In Australia you get fined for not voting .we’ve just had a non compulsory vote for a racist change to our constitution ,people came out overwhelmingly No, and we just dodged a bullet.
About time we had some good news 📰
Anyone that condones war crimes should be evicted from this country... Slimey Sunak and evil braverman should be sent to Rwanda 1 way... We're paying for the privilege, might as well get our moneys worth
I feel like so many people are setting themselves up to be devastated when Labour do take office and they see little to no substantive change.
Yep. Give up now. If I were you, I would never vote again. As you would say, making any kind of effort is pointless.
You're absolutely right, Labour are entitled to my vote because blue team bad... We should have absolutely no policy positions of our own, certainly no convictions about them, and vote for the lesser of two evils in perpetuity
Like Brexit benefits then.
This is an interesting analysis of the outcome of the by-elections.
What a legecy he will leave: Put in place unelected by traitors and never started to lead!
I didn't vote for a Goldman Sachs Banker. We want a new Political Party in Power. The Labour/Conservative duopoly needs to end.
I wonder just how much will still be worth saving once the Tories are booted out? I pity the next generation, who'll feel the brunt of all that pain that's still to come.
Because we haven't had to live through years of Tory ideological austerity, the crap that is Brexit given to us by the Tories, a pandemic which allowed Tories and their mates to get rich and party while people died alone, the disaster that was Johnson, his successor who tanked the entire economy in a month, the highest tax since the second world war, and massive pointless profligacy by the Tories. Not to mention destroying the environment by rowing back on Net Zero, giving his mates in the oil industry hundreds of new licences to extract gas, and allowing raw sewage into our streams, rivers and beaches. The next generation will hate Tory voters even worse than this generation does. Labour willl have a hard slog to repair 13 years of Tory disaster, but in time, they will. Provided they are given 15 years or more. That's precisely why we have to utterly destroy the Tories so they have no way back.
Glad there finished , long over due . You can only ruin the country for so long , then your kick out . Kick the corrupt government out .
It's pronounced FLIT'ICK.
I don’t understand why a party can only win in a constituency where they spend a lot of time and money campaigning. I can see why it matters in local elections, where people need to know where the candidates stand on specific local issues. But in a general election, people should vote for the party that has the best policies for running the country. It’s depressing that so many people just vote for whichever party shouts the loudest. No wonder our country is in such a mess.
You say people should vote for who has the best policies but with FPTP it is a choice between 2 parties or the occasional 3 like Mid Beds
What happened in Tamworth with the Lib Dems was simply everyone tactical voting and them pretty much stepping out of the way for Labour
And in Uxbridge people voted for the Green Party but that meant Labour didn't win the seat (the numbers were very narrow) which meant Sunak implemented anti-green policies because he thought that would win votes. So in that case voting Green was a vote for going against green policies.
@@GarfieldtheDestroyer "stepping out of the way for Labour" - Lib Dems went from 5.3% to 1.6% (-3.7%). Labour however went from 23.7% to 45.8% (+22.1%). It obviously isn't simply Lib Dems voting for Labour.
I definitely think the first past the post system we have is terrible. I’m pretty sure we are the only country in Western Europe that doesn’t have some form of proportional representation. I think our political system is probably the worst of any developed, democratic country except the United States. The trouble is that because we are currently stuck with FPTP, no party that wants to change things will be voted into government. (At least not in the foreseeable future). As far as I can see, the only possibility for change any time soon is if enough people make enough of a fuss about it. I remember when Margaret Thatcher was coming to the end of her time as Prime Minister, she introduced the Poll Tax. The policy was implemented in Scotland to start with, and the Scottish people hated it. They made such a fuss about it that she had no choice but to get rid of it, and it led to her downfall. If people would make that much fuss today about the state our country is in, I think it would force things to change. But no one is making any real fuss. People grumble a bit, but then they just shrug their shoulders and say “that’s just the way it is”. That’s the way it seems to me anyway.
@@chiip90 I do not understand the point you're trying to make, this is tactical voting as the figures you are sharing demonstrate. The Lib Dems put very little funding into Tamworth as well.
Both Tory and Lib Dem voters switched to Labour if that's what you're getting at
@@karenlp5867 The Lib Dems seem to be making a comeback and hopefully we can get a LibLab coalition soon which would allow for PR
I wonder how long it’s actually going to take us to recover and reform from this mess. My guess is 15-20 years.
We won't. Economies are on the brink of collapse. Possibly a world war. Starmer has already alluded to there being no money tree. He'll still say & do anything to get in, but what difference would it make, if he can't even bring himself to represent this country?
Hopefully when my children are grown up their prospects will be better than mine
Did he just say a town of 20k voters is insignificant in a 70k constituency? Cheeky punt, indeed.
Indeed.Only a third of the electorate voted so you might think that Flitwick took a holiday from voting. Without Mid Beds there is no Tory government. Can't imagine what else that Sunak will promise except to declare a national emergency that curtails calling another GE. I would turn be interested to see Charles III exercise his royal prerogative to dissolve Parliament in such circumstances.Unlikely but who knows if the Tory leadership might not try a Trump tactic to cling onto power.
I don’t like the idea of who might come next in the tories. And I suspect it’ll be more and more down Brexit lines that people vote.
Sunak will stay in post. The Conservative Party is finished. A major readjustment in UK politics is needed. PR would facilitate this but it will happen anyway.
We have to demand it. Starmer said he will do it if we do.
By "readjustment" you of course mean "gerrymandering" the system to fit in with your view.
We voted for FPTP and we have it,
We voted for a tory government and we have it.
We voted for Brexit and have it.
What exactly is broken? I would guess the problem is you did not agree with these three results.
@@grolfe3210 Yes, we voted for FPTP over AV which was not well known so it failed in a referendum. PR is a different thing which we have not got a vote on and if you look at GE results the vote count to seats ratio is incredibly biased towards the big parties.
If we voted for a third party for change the chances of it getting a decent amount of seats are small even if the vote share is high
The majority of the votes went to other parties in the last election, so the country as a whole did not vote for a Tory government, they only got in power because of our broken voting system
@@GarfieldtheDestroyer No alternative voting system is particularly "known" by the public. AV is a break from FPTP and could be regarded as a first step in voting reform. Of course anyone who wanted PR would have voted for AV.
The public like the bias and want a strong government. You say the tores get to power with our broken system but the public see the system as broken when it does NOT produce an overall majority!
The broken part is surely the backroom deal between Clegg and Cameron/Brown in 2010 or the blackmail of May by the DUP.
You are also overlooking the fact that we had a minority party in UKIP that never won power, and I do not think ever even got one MP elected. But they seem to have been rather successful!
You seem focused on getting the tories out but then seem to support a system where they could again walk back into no 10 as part of a coalition even if defeated.
@@grolfe3210 Some people who wanted PR didn't vote for AV though, maybe they didn't even know they wanted PR and thought AV was a downgrade. AV is not PR and I cannot stress that enough, we have not had a vote on PR. If over 50% said no to PR (not AV) then I would be fine with it.
The public like the bias and want a strong government? Where are the statistics for this? They want a "strong government" even if they did not vote for it? Sounds a little strange to me but I'll press on.
The public see the system as broken when it does not produce a majority? Again you have provided no statistics for this.
There can be multiple broken things at once, the backroom deals are scummy but that is not an argument against PR but rather it is against the parties that get into power via FPTP. In a way you have supported the argument for PR.
I did forget UKIP; they were very successful as you say, but they only won one seat, even when they were the 3rd biggest party in the entire country! While I really don't like them they should have gotten a lot more seats and that is why FPTP is broken, when such a large party cannot get more than one seat. Can you clarify if you are trying to defend FPTP or not, because you are providing me with further arguments for PR?
I don't like the Tories either but it would be completely fine with me if they got into power when the public wanted it; they are in a right-wing coalition that wins over 50% of the seats under PR? Great, they can get into government because that's what the electorate wanted.
It’s not so much that Sunak is finished but more that the tories are done.
For a few years until the Labour Party mess up as they always do.
they bypassed their core voters and will pay a heavy price.
Did the people of the UK really want Sunak as there prime minister?
Where can one buy the new statesman I seem to be missing out on their hilarious statements
The flip side of how Labour and Lib Dems choose to mobilise their resources and target seats, is what do the Conservatives do? Sensibly they need to give ground in vast numbers of constituencies where they know they will lose. That is neither palatable nor galvanising for activists. Worse than that even, they find themselves having to actively defend in core areas where they have never actively campaigned as there was no need. Logistically large rural constituencies are more difficult to campaign in, which makes for a lot of effort for just one seat. Labour can perhaps spill over from adjacent urban area while Lib Dems can target fewer locations and specifically where they have strong local government results. It is going to take a well tuned election machine to deploy their resources most effectively.
We will see.
I think the discussion misses the point that Dorries was one of the worst members of Parliament in recent memory that was an absolute gift to opposition parties.
Personally in a general election despite being a Conservative leaning voter I just cannot consider voting for them as it stands power has corrupted and Boris then Truss have proven untrustworthy.
Sunak is nowhere near the worst PM however it's hard to support a wealthy leader whose effective rste of taxation at about 23p on the pound is less than most working people and Tory taxation policies plus the inflation rate are pushing more of us into higher rate tax its just a disgrace if they get rid of Sunak who would be the next PM I haven't seen a single leading Tory I could trust.
Basically they have made their beds and will have to lie in it and hope Labour make a mess of it or that Corbynites emerge from the woodwork but running a campaign on fear of that will just not wash as Starmer has shown to be effective at controlling that element.
It's a shame we have a two party system and non have a lot of bright leaders
Sunak brings us closser to India the fastest growing economy
As you're much more leftwing than me this might be damning with faint praise. But I'm a left leaning LibDem and Keir Starmer seems great to me. And I'm certainly voting Labour.
There is a parallel with Australia’s federal election in 2022. Labor, led by Anthony Albanese, won, defeating a 9 year conservative government. In many ways he appeared to be an unremarkable figure. But in my opinion he is a terrific prime minister leading a competent government. No hysterics. Sensible, grown up government with a very able front bench. He had long experience in Parliament which helped enormously and a back story of having been raised by a single mother in social housing.
We have people whining about President Biden. But people always whine. He's done a terrific job.
Interesting analysis. (fyi Flitwick pronounced "Flitick".... )
He said he would stop the boats he lied can we sue him
Personally, I always think a confident/competent Government goes to the country in it's 4th year. Leaving things to the 5th year is iffy.
It’s so obvious why it’s been left to the 5th year, because they know they won’t win it 😂
@@reececollison5101 They're desperately hoping that something turns up. It is all they have left.
@@weswheel4834 Also, they can cary on milking us dry for a few more months
They are riding the gravy train till the end of the line, because they know they will be gone after the next general Election. Many tories have already declared that they won't seek re-election next time, so rats abandoning a sinking ship. The question isn't IF Labour will win, its by HOW MUCH they will win.😁😁😁😁😎😎
Honestly, the country has had enough. Living here has never been so hard and the cost of doing so is alarming.
13 years (so far) of incompetence.
Sunak is not stupid. He understood he had a choice. Become the first non-white prime minister and more than likely lose the general election or let some other fool lead into the election and perhaps sit out five but more likely ten years in opposition.
He chose jam today.
To tell the electorate that Conservative policies of the past was all wrong and that he is the change candidate is patronizing cods wallop.
However, he knows that he can only remain leader so long as the other Conservatives believe he can win the next election.
The cat is truly out out of the bag now. They cannot win and no one will want to lead the rabble into the election to be ejected soon afterwards save the incumbent.
The sooner he calls the election the better.
Tory voters just stayed at home.....gen.elect is whole diff ball game.....or.....fill the country with grateful immigrants and reap the votes. Not so out of the ?
Ben Walker's analysis seems very sound and balanced and he's a very affable fellow. Hope to see more of him.