It seems that this issue of forcing people to take those drugs without getting their free and informed consent has become a human rights issue. In the light of what Dr. Moncrieff disclosed here psychiatry creates ground for real human rights violations that needs to be tackled, and it should be done immediately before becoming a serious public health issue.
Agreed. It's medical malpractice, but we can't sue. It's incredibly unethical. We never gave informed consent for these iatrogenic injuries and being poly-drugged. Lots of people have had to stop working permanently or for a few years. They could lose their apartment, let alone friends/family. Most of us have yet to contract SARS-COV-2 yet, too.
I found the following on MadInAmerica recently. It's so deliciously snarky yet 100% accurate: How to Interview a potential Psychiatrist (& applies to Walk-in Clinic GP's as well): 1. Have you ever suffered from depression? (I understand that the depression rates are quite high in medical school.) 2. Are you comfortable with the violent and oppressive history that are the roots of your professions and that still exist today? 3. Have you ever thought about suicide? (I understand the rates for suicide are quite high for the Mental Health profession.) 4. How is your marriage? (I understand there is a lot of marital dissatisfaction in your profession.) 5. How do you deal with stress? 6. Who is running mental health checks on your profession to ensure you are fit to serve the public? 7. How many of your patients have you cured? 8. How many of the people who come to see you are not diagnosed with a mental illness? 9. What do you think of the methods that the DSMV uses to determine the criteria of a mental illness? 10. Do you agree that shrinks should be paid on a results-only basis? 11. How do you feel about me taping our sessions? 12. If your children were Dx’ed with Mental Illness(es), would you want these medications for them? 13. Would you ever take the drugs you are prescribing to me? 14. Have you ever been medicated? (I understand that medication is quite high for Doctors and in particular shrinks.) 15. Have any of your patients ever died of drug related side effects from the medication you prescribed to them? 16. Have any of your patients ever committed suicide? How many? 17. Have you ever been sued by a former patient? Do you mind if I FOIP that? 18. How many formal complaints have been lad against you by former clients? Where can I verify that information? 19. Do you have hospital privileges? Why did you lose them? Why not? 20. How much money are you being paid for this visit?
I know several people who have gained enormous amounts of weight being on the anti-psychotics. It does help them sleep. But it throws people into metabolic derangement, making recovery physical not just psychological.
I kinda wish they did for me, somethings awry with my metabolism anyway and I could actually USE a few more kilos!!! That's what you get for growing hyperlane neurons... I just hope I never get seriously ill with fever! But I do want to get off the meds again at some point: Even if my family has no history of diabetes at all, i don't want to press my luck.
Excellent thank you you are a COURAGEOUS lady. As an Occupational Therapist of nearly 40years I have waited for someone like you. Keep going don’t let people stop you from telling the TRUTH
In 2012, the Niagara Falls Reporter published: "Mass shooters are often on antidepressants, yet this is rarely covered in the media!" The article then listed quite a few of these! / Also in 2012, Psychiatrist Allen Francis stated on T.V.: "Psych drugs cause mass shootings!" Francis had been the main player in putting together DSM-4, but has since developed a more comprehensive outlook!
@@frankyfourfingers1382 These 2 interventions were made shortly after the Sandy Hook killings of 20 preschoolers and 6 adults. The Reporter is from NF, NY - and is now online only. In 2012, they had arranged for staffers of Howard Glasser to present his Talent Training ideas, at a library meeting room nearby. Glasser's 1st book was - "Igniting Greatness!" {Which does not advocate neuro-toxics.} / I have no other references for the Reporter or Francis - yet there's many from: Jim Gottstein, Peter Gotzsche, Robert Whitaker, Patrick Hahn, Caroline Leaf, Mark Horowitz, Josef Witt-Doering, Thomas Szasz, Sami Timimi, James Davies, Peter Breggin, the CCHR and of course Joanna!
She uses those drugs sometimes, though she recognises the dammaging effects… sometimes the patient is better off sedated and impaired? How come psychiatrists as Peter Breggin never use them?
The level of some individuals' disordered thinking is intense enough that sedation may be preferable. This can easily be seen where an individual's thoughts are violent toward themselves or others or their hallucinatory experiences are constant and disturbing. Dr. Moncrieff has also emphasized elsewhere that doctors should give the patient a choice as to whether (s)he feels that the effects of the drugs would be preferable to their mental struggles, but without pretending that the drugs are actually fixing any underlying illness.
Everyone has good potentials, they just need some Talent Training; Peter Breggin, Peter Gotzsche, James Davies and Joanna are top psychiatric abolitionists!
@@stevekaylor5606 I wish that were true...and I'm an abolitionist as well... but there is such a thing as psychopathy and society should be protected from these people and these people against their own psychopathy. T find humane solutions for the most severe anti-social disorders is an enormous challenge, given the pathology of social and power structures.
Couldn't agree more. I wish I'd known what I now know about these drugs. I've been off all psychotropic drugs for well over two years. It was hellish getting off antipsychotics. Unfortunately I'm still suffering from awful anhedonia. It's miserable. Interestingly, I also have an autoimmune disorder. Whether I had this before the MH diagnosis, or it developed as a result of psych drugs is not clear.
I also suffer from severe anhedonia! Are you noticing any improvements? I got lots of health issues that were likely a result of taking psyc meds for decades
I also have autoimmune issues that developed during treatment with antipsychotics, along with eye problems, high cholesterol, and severe cognitive dysfunction. Getting off them has been brutal. I did rTMS treatment for persistent anhedonia and cognitive dysfunction and it worked well for me. I can finally think again....though I do have a subjective sense of being less intelligent than I was before drug treatment. I did an IQ test in my early twenties and again in my early thirties. There was a 20 point decline. The psychologist who scored the second test said that level of cognitive decline was impossible. He doubted the validity of the first test. I am discouraged by the fact that I was misled into taking these drugs long-term, taking more drugs to deal with the side-effects of the first drugs, and now persistent effects that may linger for the rest of my life. Do I have brain damage? Do I have a higher risk of dementia? Would I be healthier overall if I hadn't remained on antipsychotics for so long? I don't want to see myself as a victim...but it takes a lot of creativity to put a positive spin on what has happened over the last 18 years (when I first encountered psychiatric treatment).
@@lindsaygoodwin9066 The same thing happened to my brother. I finally decided that his psychiatrists were full of crap when they said he had an incurable disease called schizophrenia, and started researching to find what was causing his problems. After taking him to walk in labs and running my own blood tests, I found he had 2 things causing his problems, a low B12 and an elevated free copper level. The low B12 at the tissue level caused his methylmalonic acid to rise. This acid disrupted enzymes in the urea cycle that converts ammonia to urea. When his ammonia got high, it caused auditory and visual hallucinations, depression, and anxiety. His elevated free copper level was oxidizing the adrenalin in his brain and causing paranoia. You should be tested for these things, because I suspect these two things are causing mental problems in most people. Decades ago a shrink tested the ammonia of patients in a mental hospital and found over half had elevated ammonia levels. Unfortunately he didn't know what was causing the high ammonia, and also didn't know that a high ammonia can cause psychosis, depression etc. The free copper test # at lab corp is 279071 in Oklahoma, the # may differ in your state. It's different than a serum copper test. This test will measure the amount of toxic unbound or free copper contained in serum copper. You also need an ammonia, B12 and methylmalonic acid blood test. It wouldn't hurt to also be tested for all the B vitamins, because just a deficiency in B9 alone can cause psychosis if it gets low enough. If your free copper is elevated, you can take 50mg zinc one hour before meals, 3 times per day and in 9-12 months it will lower the free copper to a non toxic level. After lowering it, you'll still need to take 50mg for the rest of your life to keep it from building back up and relapsing. If the ammonia is high, there are drugs the doctor can give you to lower it and once the B12 is restored, the ammonia won't build back up. If the B12 is low, the fastest way to raise it is by getting B12 injections. You'll need a B12 shot 14 days in a row to load the body and then a shot once a month from then on. You can also take B12 under the tongue. Taking it by mouth might not work if you have an absorption problem. You also need the methylated form of B12 in case you have an MTHFR gene where you can't convert B12. If these things are causing your problems, you can correct them and be cured, then taper off your medicine and be free of that poison. Good luck and God Bless.
You should have your B12 and methylmalonic acid tested, because a low B12 can cause anhedonia. The only way to test your B12 at the tissue level is with a methylmalonic acid test. It will always be elevated when B12 is low at the tissue. B12 can be low at the tissue level for 5 years before the blood shows to be low. When it gets low at the tissue level, it causes methylmalonic acid to rise, and this acid blocks enzymes in the urea cycle that convert ammonia to urea. When the ammonia gets high, it can cause hallucinations, depression, anxiety etc. The elevated methylmalonic acid also eats the myelin sheaths from the nerves, which is often misdiagnosed as an autoimmune disorder. When a doctor does an MRI and sees where some of the sheaths are gone from the nerves, they believe it's the immune system attacking itself, because they don't know about methylmalonic acid. They're not trained to cure anything, only to treat it with big pharma's drugs. Big pharma controls their medical school curriculum, so they're not taught about vitamins and minerals. Good luck and God Bless.
I’m confused. She said that psychosis isn’t caused by a chemical inbalance but she said some people who have never had psychosis will quit anti psychotics and hear voices because the medication has caused too much dopamine
The construct that "mental illness" is caused by a Chemical Imbalance was contrived by Gregory Bateson, husband to Margaret Mead. Psychiatrist Jeffrey A. Schaler {who was a close associate of Thomas Szasz} cut-to-the-quick with: "Show me the Chemical Balance Tests!"
Basically because antipsychotics block dopamine and serotonin in the brain, synapses built more dopamine receptors to make up for not getting enough dopamine, therefore if you stop antipsychotics, this huge amount of released dopamine hits already overactive receptors, causes exciting in the brain,this is called rebound psychosis
If someone is demoralized or distracted, a counselor should find out some things that are bothering him and then arrange for improvements. Instead, Standard of Care psychiatrists will give him a reductionist-Freudian disease like label, then neurotoxic drugs or ECT {from WW1}. Thus, he will probably be corralled as a cash cow! / If someone is demoralized, then have him join happy clapping and stomping classes (PBS T.V., 2006). After many classes, he would be ready to sing in a Glee Club or join an amateur orchestra [the way Autism employees have at the Cares Cafe in Shanghai]. Thus, with this kind of aesthetic Talent Training {offered by Howard Glasser, Peter Breggin and Madan Katara}, he will be developing a mental + emotional cathexis - which is what Mental Health is!
The world needs more people like you Dr Moncrief!🏅
Forced treatment must be abolished!
It seems that this issue of forcing people to take those drugs without getting their free and informed consent has become a human rights issue. In the light of what Dr. Moncrieff disclosed here psychiatry creates ground for real human rights violations that needs to be tackled, and it should be done immediately before becoming a serious public health issue.
It's already a huge issue.
It's been a problem for a long time.
Agreed. It's medical malpractice, but we can't sue. It's incredibly unethical. We never gave informed consent for these iatrogenic injuries and being poly-drugged.
Lots of people have had to stop working permanently or for a few years. They could lose their apartment, let alone friends/family. Most of us have yet to contract SARS-COV-2 yet, too.
I found the following on MadInAmerica recently. It's so deliciously snarky yet 100% accurate:
How to Interview a potential Psychiatrist (& applies to Walk-in Clinic GP's as well):
1. Have you ever suffered from depression? (I understand that the depression rates are quite high in medical school.)
2. Are you comfortable with the violent and oppressive history that are the roots of your professions and that still exist today?
3. Have you ever thought about suicide? (I understand the rates for suicide are quite high for the Mental Health profession.)
4. How is your marriage? (I understand there is a lot of marital dissatisfaction in your profession.)
5. How do you deal with stress?
6. Who is running mental health checks on your profession to ensure you are fit to serve the public?
7. How many of your patients have you cured?
8. How many of the people who come to see you are not diagnosed with a mental illness?
9. What do you think of the methods that the DSMV uses to determine the criteria of a mental illness?
10. Do you agree that shrinks should be paid on a results-only basis?
11. How do you feel about me taping our sessions?
12. If your children were Dx’ed with Mental Illness(es), would you want these medications for them?
13. Would you ever take the drugs you are prescribing to me?
14. Have you ever been medicated? (I understand that medication is quite high for Doctors and in particular shrinks.)
15. Have any of your patients ever died of drug related side effects from the medication you prescribed to them?
16. Have any of your patients ever committed suicide? How many?
17. Have you ever been sued by a former patient? Do you mind if I FOIP that?
18. How many formal complaints have been lad against you by former clients? Where can I verify that information?
19. Do you have hospital privileges? Why did you lose them? Why not?
20. How much money are you being paid for this visit?
Thank you Dr Moncrief! You’re doing amazing work.
I know several people who have gained enormous amounts of weight being on the anti-psychotics. It does help them sleep. But it throws people into metabolic derangement, making recovery physical not just psychological.
I kinda wish they did for me, somethings awry with my metabolism anyway and I could actually USE a few more kilos!!! That's what you get for growing hyperlane neurons... I just hope I never get seriously ill with fever! But I do want to get off the meds again at some point: Even if my family has no history of diabetes at all, i don't want to press my luck.
Weight gain also protects patients from denouncing + abusive Mental Health staffers - many are caked in fear, yet extol how they're being helped!
Thank you for being honest
Excellent thank you you are a COURAGEOUS lady. As an Occupational Therapist of nearly 40years I have waited for someone like you. Keep going don’t let people stop you from telling the TRUTH
Thanks .have been on antipsychotics for 4 years and I intend to come off them sometime in the future. This is very helpful .
Best not to develop Tardive Dyskinesia - from iatrogenic, Standard of Care drugs + procedures!
The big question is how to raise awareness that neuroleptics are overused and aggressively marketed by the pharmaceutical industry.
They also arrange + pay for Research Studies, which get vetted and then sent to the FDA!
Thank you for the great video👍 I look forward to see the results of the RADAR research💕
See Thomas Szasz views on coercion & forced drugging & incarceration in mental hospitals.
Szasz was banned for dismissing Psychiatric hokum at Syracuse; he cofounded the CCHR. Peter Gotzsche was banned from Nordic Cochrane in Denmark!
In 2012, the Niagara Falls Reporter published: "Mass shooters are often on antidepressants, yet this is rarely covered in the media!" The article then listed quite a few of these! / Also in 2012, Psychiatrist Allen Francis stated on T.V.: "Psych drugs cause mass shootings!" Francis had been the main player in putting together DSM-4, but has since developed a more comprehensive outlook!
Can you provide references for these two quotes? I'm quite interested in this subject, I tried to find them but cannot.
@@frankyfourfingers1382 These 2 interventions were made shortly after the Sandy Hook killings of 20 preschoolers and 6 adults. The Reporter is from NF, NY - and is now online only. In 2012, they had arranged for staffers of Howard Glasser to present his Talent Training ideas, at a library meeting room nearby. Glasser's 1st book was - "Igniting Greatness!" {Which does not advocate neuro-toxics.} / I have no other references for the Reporter or Francis - yet there's many from: Jim Gottstein, Peter Gotzsche, Robert Whitaker, Patrick Hahn, Caroline Leaf, Mark Horowitz, Josef Witt-Doering, Thomas Szasz, Sami Timimi, James Davies, Peter Breggin, the CCHR and of course Joanna!
She uses those drugs sometimes, though she recognises the dammaging effects… sometimes the patient is better off sedated and impaired? How come psychiatrists as Peter Breggin never use them?
The level of some individuals' disordered thinking is intense enough that sedation may be preferable. This can easily be seen where an individual's thoughts are violent toward themselves or others or their hallucinatory experiences are constant and disturbing. Dr. Moncrieff has also emphasized elsewhere that doctors should give the patient a choice as to whether (s)he feels that the effects of the drugs would be preferable to their mental struggles, but without pretending that the drugs are actually fixing any underlying illness.
Everyone has good potentials, they just need some Talent Training; Peter Breggin, Peter Gotzsche, James Davies and Joanna are top psychiatric abolitionists!
@@stevekaylor5606 I wish that were true...and I'm an abolitionist as well... but there is such a thing as psychopathy and society should be protected from these people and these people against their own psychopathy. T find humane solutions for the most severe anti-social disorders is an enormous challenge, given the pathology of social and power structures.
I think the drugs should not be used anyway whatsoever
Bedankt
2 years, I’ve lost 20 years of my life!!
@Adam Pollock - Cheer Up!
I"ve lost 45 years ......
Are you a cash cow - for the psychiatric - pharmaceutical co-franchise?
I am heartened to see the victims of these compounds, finding healing in a whole food plant based diet 🙁
And establishing accountability throughout the Mental Health system!
I realise looking back how much coercion goes on in "healthcare" generally
Forcement treatment must be avoided ,please there IS any authority Who could see cases of cruelty with antisicothics ?
Thanks
Couldn't agree more. I wish I'd known what I now know about these drugs. I've been off all psychotropic drugs for well over two years. It was hellish getting off antipsychotics.
Unfortunately I'm still suffering from awful anhedonia. It's miserable.
Interestingly, I also have an autoimmune disorder. Whether I had this before the MH diagnosis, or it developed as a result of psych drugs is not clear.
I also suffer from severe anhedonia! Are you noticing any improvements?
I got lots of health issues that were likely a result of taking psyc meds for decades
I also have autoimmune issues that developed during treatment with antipsychotics, along with eye problems, high cholesterol, and severe cognitive dysfunction. Getting off them has been brutal. I did rTMS treatment for persistent anhedonia and cognitive dysfunction and it worked well for me. I can finally think again....though I do have a subjective sense of being less intelligent than I was before drug treatment. I did an IQ test in my early twenties and again in my early thirties. There was a 20 point decline. The psychologist who scored the second test said that level of cognitive decline was impossible. He doubted the validity of the first test. I am discouraged by the fact that I was misled into taking these drugs long-term, taking more drugs to deal with the side-effects of the first drugs, and now persistent effects that may linger for the rest of my life. Do I have brain damage? Do I have a higher risk of dementia? Would I be healthier overall if I hadn't remained on antipsychotics for so long? I don't want to see myself as a victim...but it takes a lot of creativity to put a positive spin on what has happened over the last 18 years (when I first encountered psychiatric treatment).
@@lindsaygoodwin9066 The same thing happened to my brother. I finally decided that his psychiatrists were full of crap when they said he had an incurable disease called schizophrenia, and started researching to find what was causing his problems. After taking him to walk in labs and running my own blood tests, I found he had 2 things causing his problems, a low B12 and an elevated free copper level. The low B12 at the tissue level caused his methylmalonic acid to rise. This acid disrupted enzymes in the urea cycle that converts ammonia to urea. When his ammonia got high, it caused auditory and visual hallucinations, depression, and anxiety. His elevated free copper level was oxidizing the adrenalin in his brain and causing paranoia. You should be tested for these things, because I suspect these two things are causing mental problems in most people. Decades ago a shrink tested the ammonia of patients in a mental hospital and found over half had elevated ammonia levels. Unfortunately he didn't know what was causing the high ammonia, and also didn't know that a high ammonia can cause psychosis, depression etc. The free copper test # at lab corp is 279071 in Oklahoma, the # may differ in your state. It's different than a serum copper test. This test will measure the amount of toxic unbound or free copper contained in serum copper. You also need an ammonia, B12 and methylmalonic acid blood test. It wouldn't hurt to also be tested for all the B vitamins, because just a deficiency in B9 alone can cause psychosis if it gets low enough. If your free copper is elevated, you can take 50mg zinc one hour before meals, 3 times per day and in 9-12 months it will lower the free copper to a non toxic level. After lowering it, you'll still need to take 50mg for the rest of your life to keep it from building back up and relapsing. If the ammonia is high, there are drugs the doctor can give you to lower it and once the B12 is restored, the ammonia won't build back up. If the B12 is low, the fastest way to raise it is by getting B12 injections. You'll need a B12 shot 14 days in a row to load the body and then a shot once a month from then on. You can also take B12 under the tongue. Taking it by mouth might not work if you have an absorption problem. You also need the methylated form of B12 in case you have an MTHFR gene where you can't convert B12. If these things are causing your problems, you can correct them and be cured, then taper off your medicine and be free of that poison. Good luck and God Bless.
You should have your B12 and methylmalonic acid tested, because a low B12 can cause anhedonia. The only way to test your B12 at the tissue level is with a methylmalonic acid test. It will always be elevated when B12 is low at the tissue. B12 can be low at the tissue level for 5 years before the blood shows to be low. When it gets low at the tissue level, it causes methylmalonic acid to rise, and this acid blocks enzymes in the urea cycle that convert ammonia to urea. When the ammonia gets high, it can cause hallucinations, depression, anxiety etc. The elevated methylmalonic acid also eats the myelin sheaths from the nerves, which is often misdiagnosed as an autoimmune disorder. When a doctor does an MRI and sees where some of the sheaths are gone from the nerves, they believe it's the immune system attacking itself, because they don't know about methylmalonic acid. They're not trained to cure anything, only to treat it with big pharma's drugs. Big pharma controls their medical school curriculum, so they're not taught about vitamins and minerals. Good luck and God Bless.
@@icontrolmyownguns2096how do we fix the low b12??
Doctor Mongrief I have a question if a person is depressed need to take risperidona?
I’m confused. She said that psychosis isn’t caused by a chemical inbalance but she said some people who have never had psychosis will quit anti psychotics and hear voices because the medication has caused too much dopamine
The construct that "mental illness" is caused by a Chemical Imbalance was contrived by Gregory Bateson, husband to Margaret Mead. Psychiatrist Jeffrey A. Schaler {who was a close associate of Thomas Szasz} cut-to-the-quick with: "Show me the Chemical Balance Tests!"
Basically because antipsychotics block dopamine and serotonin in the brain, synapses built more dopamine receptors to make up for not getting enough dopamine, therefore if you stop antipsychotics, this huge amount of released dopamine hits already overactive receptors, causes exciting in the brain,this is called rebound psychosis
Joan moncrieff does prescrib even though she knows about?
If someone is demoralized or distracted, a counselor should find out some things that are bothering him and then arrange for improvements. Instead, Standard of Care psychiatrists will give him a reductionist-Freudian disease like label, then neurotoxic drugs or ECT {from WW1}. Thus, he will probably be corralled as a cash cow! / If someone is demoralized, then have him join happy clapping and stomping classes (PBS T.V., 2006). After many classes, he would be ready to sing in a Glee Club or join an amateur orchestra [the way Autism employees have at the Cares Cafe in Shanghai]. Thus, with this kind of aesthetic Talent Training {offered by Howard Glasser, Peter Breggin and Madan Katara}, he will be developing a mental + emotional cathexis - which is what Mental Health is!
😊hi
Amazing talk from a soft spoken lovely lady, so interesting to listen to but those bang crashing adverts that blast on the scene ruin everything.