The 2010's Endboss Was Ahead Of His Time
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OtB_RedBaron was an absolute beast. He dominated NLHE highstakes for many of the 2010-years.
Let's revisit those times and explore one of many areas that made "the Baron" so good.
Keeping in mind, that we now have solver tools like GTO Wizard and PioSolver, which he didn't initially.
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Worth noting is that Doug Polk described Kanu7 as a very stationy player. Apparently at the time most people in the high stakes pool got there by being overly aggressive and Kanu7 exploited that by bluff-catching more, so perhaps his call could be viewed exploitatively.
Very possible!
Should've folded the overbet turn. No one is betting that amount with a bluff.
@@searchingfornessie8410 except... this hand, opponent had the nut low gutter, so actually someone is betting that amount as a bluff on the turn.
@@searchingfornessie8410 It WAS a bluff.
@@searchingfornessie8410 54o was bluff flop and turn... WTF are you talking about.
otb was doing solver stuff b4 solvers came out. he had such a sharp mind
a lot of people dont know this but he allegdly had acess yo solvers about a year before they hit the public, kanu was one of the as well
Such a great vid. OTB a legend. I remember reading that he describes himself as a “SSTAG” standing for “Super Solid Tight Aggressive”. I used to write SSTAG in sharpie on my hand to remind myself this is the way. Nothing but respect for him and thanks for the video!!
I think this is one of your best videos, the way it's edited and not showing hold cards was really enjoyable.
Love the high quality of your video man! Keep it up!
Thank you, appreciate it a lot!
very sick ending! editing skills are on point
Thanks man, happy you like it!
Great analysis and editing, really like it.
Thanks man, great to hear!
Great video. Please, more OtB vids. He is my favorite player of all time and you are right he was way ahead of his time which makes him all the more legendary to me.
This takes me back, thank you
My pleasure, thanks for watching!
Great content!
nice video bro, keep the good work
great content! keep up the good work!
Thank you, will do!
Wow, crazy good video. Good story line, expert knowledge, brilliant editing. Well done. I made a lot of videos on 'stealing from hs' back in the days. OTB, LL come up with the new ideas and then it takes 2 years for the average 200nl player to implement
KTU is that you? :D Used to watch many of your videos back in the day, cool to see you here.
Thanks a lot for your kind words, means a lot!
Auf die guten alten ps.de Zeiten :)
Excellent vid, thanks
Thank you!
Just discovered your channel and these videos are really interesting. For noobs like myself looking at solvers can be overwhelming/detrimental - you break it down in a easy to understand way whilst keeping it entertaining - godspeed!
Really happy to hear that - thank you! :)
overwhelming yes, detrimental not so sure
@@pugsnhogz For sure, lots of new players look at a solver and it makes their game worse. For example a lot of players will put way too much emphasis on blockers when calling down after looking at a solver a few times, rather than considering them as one part of the good strategy.
@@chrisungoed8793 fair point, guess it's all in how you use it. kinda like how in chess a lot of teachers discourage noobs from studying openings too much as they focus on the details before knowing the fundamentals, eh
@@pugsnhogz yep similar, as is the way in pretty much everything...fundamentals are key
nice video, great work! just found your channel
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
Great content! Would love to see a video about the battles between OTB and Linus. Is there something planned?
It kind of is 👀 Lots of other stuff as well though, so will probably be a while before I get to it
Awesome video !
Thanks a lot!
kinda crazy that some of these highstakes players had access to solvers before everyone else. No wonder they were able to stay at such a high level for so long.
Another great vid
Thank you!
awesome video, its rare that someone makes even looking at PIO entertaining
Thank you! Happy to hear it's working :)
Your channel is amazing
Thanks a lot, much appreciated!
One of the first channels I'm responding to here, great channel! Could you make a vid that explains how to learn poker strategy with gto for *literally* a three-year old?
Thank you! It's on my list, just gotta stay patient for a little while :)
@@2CardConfidence Looking forward to it! Would also be interesting to get the psychological aspect of it like.. Is it fun to do, or is it just robotically remember all kinds of situations by looking at tables
Great video
Thanks!
Does he still play? Once solvers became standard, he went on a brutal multi-year break-even stretch on Stars and then kind of vanished
Hello sir. Great channel, great analysis. And the end of this video with linus make me laugh. Good job
Thank you! Happy you enjoyed it :)
I love OTB! He makes me watch the movie The Red Baron :)
Best poker player of the 2010's idd. Too bad he retired, poker misses him. Wasn't keen on playing live and giving interviews
Great video. What’s the song in the intro?
This is top top tier content 👌
Thanks man!
0:11 The standard deviation bb/100 tho, were the games really that passive. It must've been felt like variance free at 6bb/100.
Great video for the background.... going all in with the nuts though is as old as poker, the rational is merely 'it I can't lose and it looks suspicious', ranges or GTO really don't need to factor at all.
Fish
Could you do a video on the Durrr Jungle challenge? I would love to see how those guys played VS gto, I'm sure there are plenty of good hands
Will have to see if there's any footage to be found
Really nice editing again , I'm 100% sure you watch summoning salt videos with this outro
I had no idea who that was, had to look him up haha. You mean because of the music?
Aha okay, the channel is summoning salt, its my favorite channel on youtube. Your intro made me think of one of him (when the name llinus goes ahead otb)
Hahahah yolan the speed running video nerd 🤓🤓🤣
Summoning is the good stuff
@@_MMWWMM_ 😂
Sir_Donald crushed ZNL500 at same time with 11bb/100 without solvers :D
Over how many hands?
@@ThePodgeiscool 100
@@ThePodgeiscool 100s of thousands. If he had a bad month he was crushing like 4bb/100. He was the best exploitative player in the world, back then (6 max obviously, he wasn't playing many 4max O less).
@@ThePodgeiscool 300k+
@@falseteller468 300k hands is nothing though. Some people just happen to have the perfect strategy against the pool for a given time (nanonoko was such a player) without really having figured why and just plunge once they reach higher stakes or over time.
I didn’t think the term “sunrunner” was used as far back as 2012… interesting
I wonder if OTB had a private solver as well at the time? Sick content though thank you
Haven't heard about it, but yeah, who knows! Thank you!
Kanu7 had a private solver at that time.
@@Coq7 that's what I'm saying. I wouldn't be surprised if OTB had one as well just kept it a secret
He just always had it
good times
Cool!
Just wondering - what exactly did happen to him? Did he just decide to cash out after making the money?
No one really knows. There are some theories in another comment - choose which you can live with the best ;)
5:48 K7 jam IP ?
Yeah 😅 I guess that's the solver being the solver when the SB would be defending K4/K5/95/44 sometimes...
N ⚡ c e . . . 🌬🍀🚀
What happened to Kelisitaan? Dude was crushing NL600 for years on Stars but somehow refused to move up in Limits.
Do you do coaching bro
Hey depends on what you need :)
Can you send me an email or message on discord? Then we could talk about it:
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what is gto program, name please
It's piosolver
OTB had a real time solver for sure
Yes, his mind
This video is the difference between showing how to use a solver and showing use of a solver. I feel so damn loss trying to learn how to use solvers.
I'm working on something that might help, just asking you to stay patient for a while 🙏
what is that platfrom where they talk?
I think what you mean is the 2+2 forum
5:50 this is where theory has always lost me a bit, wouldn't this just go into an infinite theory leveling war? if the Sb wants to bluff catch with a 4 or 5, so then the Bb wants to bluff with blockers to Sb bluff catchers, now doesn't that make Sb not want to bluff catch with these cards because it blocks Bb bluffs? and so on and so on
Thing is BB has 54 which wants to shove whatever SB does, BB couples enough 5x and 4x with that to make SB hands like K4, K5 indifferent (since they block both bluffs and value) while a hand like KJo becomes just -EV. Does that make sense?
Yes you are absolutely correct. This is the process the solver is repeating against itself to develop an equilibrium. It can lead to some pretty insane plays like showdown value bluffs where a hand can profitably shove while having less than 50% equity but >0 equity when called. That means it’s profiting by both folding out better hands and getting called by worse hands. This happens when the best bluffcatching hands have low linear value.
Yeah @@ltsjack explained it well - if we look at the SB's calling range OTR, it's basically 3 tiers of hands:
1. hands that block value with both cards - 2 pairs and sets (sets even beat value) - these are called full frequ. and are +EV
2. hands that block value, but also bluffs - 4x and 5x hands - mostly frequency calls, so ~0EV
3. hands that only block value with 1 card or less - pure folds and -EV calls
Wow....
U from Split Second cEDH channel?
No 🤣
@@2CardConfidence Same voice, nice videos BTW.
Takechips was the best
This is what happens when you have the best hand and you play it passively. Check the flop, then call in a spot where your opponent is betting 100% of the time.
Video on Omaha4rollz or Berri Sweet please.
The shove on river into KJ its 6x pot not 5x 😋
Edit. Ah ok villain has 110k so it is really 5x effective. Mb xD
yeah but OTB was a mosnter regardless of the study man. You can see him doing so much of creative stuff even before they were a thing. He would bet 1/6 on rivers and he would donkjam a flop after calling a 4bpot. He was just THE MAN regarless the fact that he studyed a lot. I think he was just really able to understand things for computers and also from humans on the fly.
Today people is really ego aproach and dont understand that solvers were on 2015, but the concepts that we understand from them are maybe from... 2019?. So yeah, even studying with solvers was really hard.
He also used snowie a lot I do belive.
👌👌✌️
Is OTB retired?
That's up for definition, but afaik he hasn't been seen playing high stakes in some years
He went thru spots the hard way and studied, what a savage
What happened to OTB?
I'd say on a sunny beach with millions of dollars and hot chicks
@@ThePodgeiscool I thinks he is broken, he comback a lot of times playing 500z in the last years, after 3 years away
probably won a lot, got burnt out and lost motivation. sometimes returns to midstakes to play here and there but thats about it
Would love to know that too! But yeah, in 2021 he was in the 500z pool quite often for a while
@@2CardConfidence do you have Instagram?
Jonas wasn’t ahead of any curve. He just had RTA before anyone else
sigh poker after 2010 is so dead...
This hand it's first time i seen x5 pot overber river & call with 1 pair hand. Dont know why Otb overbet river & what hand can call. Just think highstake zone still have some fish Lol ^^
Overbet any street at this time clear for value vs fish or calling station.
You calling Kanu7 a fish ? Lol..yhis guys are winning millions and you are hating on youtube ..find the difference
@@redixhemalaj8998 lol firstime when u see a man call x5 pot ovb w 1 pair hand. What do u think ?
A bad player couldnt make that call, only a good player like Kanu7 would understand what OTB was doing.
I mean when you constantly get there on the river, yeah you are gonna win more in poker. There is no theory needed to figure out that little big piece of the puzzle. Certain players do it more and when their opponents have almost as strong of a hand. There is no skill to setting up first nuts vs 2nd nuts.
You give the impression that you don’t play often. No one “constantly” gets there on the River over a large number of hands. There is skill in getting max value in some occasions in second vs first nuts. Particularly on turns and rivers. In very rare cases does nut flush vs second on the flop. Many players are careful with the nuts and large bet sizes on flop and turn. It’s critical to keep a villain in the pot when having the nuts
@@HeliosDroneWorks And are you saying if you have the nut flush and someone has the king high flush on an unpaired 3 suit only board it takes skill to get all the chips ? It takes skill when you have the nuts to get all the chips when the other guy only has 1 pair or the low end of his range. Which the guy did with the 45 hand, Ill give that.
@@TylerDavenport haha what a ridiculousl comment. Am I saying what you wrote? No, you wrote that. I’m done posting here. Take it easy
@@HeliosDroneWorks The logic and reason that was required to comprehend and digest what was previously commented is at a high level, I will say that. And as a result, its not surprising that you bowed out. Deuces.
@@TylerDavenport haha are you implying your comment was high level? I want to thank you for the laugh. Those were nitty comments for a non critical thinker. If you think otherwise that’s a sad event for you and this channel as your comment was highlighted
First!
'it's quite common that the pre-flop defender can't be defending too frequently' - very convoluted and unclear statement
You can tell u ain't a track guy bc your "just put in the work" example was Usain Bolt - who definitely worked very hard, but whose success was clearly based on being a complete genetic outlier with a higher ceiling than any human ever :D better example would be Fred Kerley
this 45 hand was not GTO at all, bluffs should never be required to go this high and there is no value in getting called except for relying on hero calling,
Except it was
that your solver has KJo X/Fing 44% very obviously shows that you haven't let the solver run long enough and this whole solve is absolutely useless
'completely un-capped' would mean they can have KK. which they clearly don't. So the maker of this vid really is quite clueless about GTO.
Instead of overtalking what the solver would do, it will be nice if you at least show us the hand. Trust me 90% of people here prefere to see the whole hand istead what the solver would do in any line. This solver nerdness is annoying
This just looks like a fish play. Bet bet hit and shove. Betting with 5 high and rivering the nuts. And also calling preflop with 5 high. In a live game he wouldn't do it out of sheer embarrassment turning those 2 cards over to claim the pot.
LOOOOOOOL
Or maybe you’re the fish 🐠