Dressage Disaster: All In Is All Out .... Again...
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2024
- All In ridden by Brittany Fraser was rapidly declining prior to the Olympics. Now that they are no longer under the intensive care of the Canadian team vet the pair is headed for a dismal downward spiral in their performance
All In entered the dressage ring for the Grand Prix Freestyle at Aachen with a GIANT Fuck you to Brittany Fraser-Beaulieu by launching out of the halt in hopes of some reprieve.
For several years Dressage Hub has done a series of videos of Brittany Fraser riding Rollkur, while the masses cried out that it was only a moment in time or a single test we now have the longest-running series of show, after show, after show, of All In saying he is All out. I think that argument is dead in the water now folks.
You can watch the rest of the videos in this series here: • Brittany Fraser Beaulieu
With close to a 100 Grand prix starts under his belt All In was at one point a very steady grand prix horse, but now that his soundness has come into question we are rapidly watching the wheels fall off. While not lame enough for the judges to ring out you could really see the wobbles in the corner during the grand prix and the complete disaster prevailed in the grand prix freestyle. While she careful cut the corners and did piaffe fans to reduce the amount of unsoundness you could see there is definitely something brewing for All In.
Often horses that are confirmed at grand prix and start to make a lot of mistakes in the ones, are struggling with a hind suspensory injury. We have video of Totilas making the same mistakes with Edward Gal in the warm-up at WEG in Kentucky. A month later he was sold and shortly after diagnosed with an injury.
You can watch that series of vides here: • Edward Gal & Totilas I...
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Oof, the hind legs movement looks really bad - not balanced, uneven, not a pretty image :((
It's amazing how many people can't see that.
In the piaffe the front legs and hind legs don't work together. The horse seems to be very unlelaxed.
@@antjehester8760 Exactly! You can see it in every transition, in piaffe, even in the movement just before the test (there you can also see slight and quite stiff head movement which is a typical motion most horses do when they are lame/unsound - sorta like a compensation thing).
Of course everyone can have a bad day - BUT if your horse is in pain, you just withdraw and look for a problem, not on a dressage arena, but in the stall.
@@chabazie Yes, that head twitch and look of alarm on the horses face said it all.
@@sarahwagland1559 the horse is getting Very confusing messages from it's rider, and doing the best it can.
I see a lame and sore older horse who's had enough and needs to be retired and blame owners, trainer and rider who continue to push, push and push. All in the name of greed. Time to retire. This horse earned it.
I agree. The Canadians never stop though. They did the same thing with Jacqueline brooks' goose. I did a video called retiring without respect because they ran him into the ground too.
@@DressageHub Poor horse is off in his hind end. Probably hock related and also see signs of very sore upfront..knee and shoulder.
@@DressageHub I agree with this as a Canadian.
Right on.... good eye...simple and true....💝
Here here Well said 👏👏
This poor creature has had it with this job. RING sour and resentful . Give him a break... please!
Let’s just forget the horse a moment and pay attention to the rider’s hands. How can she be riding a professional Grand Prix level and STILL HAVE SUCH AGGRESSIVE HANDS?! This alone already raises SO MANY red flags.
Great point!
Exactly
@@riverp9019 You’re looking at her hands after that leap her horse took. Her hands had no choice but to be soft and almost to the point of no contact with her horse because she doesn’t want to jeopardise more during the test. And she’s been so careful that her horse was performing under. But better that than more disaster. Look at her outside the ring and before the leap. Her hands were just not right. I think you’re also not looking at her elbow before the leap. Its just, stiff. Tells you how much she isn’t planning to “work” with her horse.
Yep. I deleted that after having caught up on the history of this combination. I think she does abuse her hands but not in the ring, this could cause evasion of contact and fear responses certainly. She also has a history of spur abuse in warm ups.
Because that's not judges look for these days. Judges want the horse to be bended they don't care what the rest looks like. I don't think this rider is at fault but the industry is
How this pair made the olympic team with their past record is truly mind blowing. What ever is going on exactly there's just no consistency here. It's all evasion and fear beginning to end.
I have no idea who she or past history,.so will go have a quick Google while I wait for the rain to go away
Equine Olympic pilotics
I hate the title, thats a damn good horse, the rider is 'all out'. I see a riders fault 0:22 off centered seat and waaaay too much leg , horse is confused thinks forward it is, then she is behind movement for like 7 seconds (!) and sits back, horse confused thinks extended trot it is and delivers. Big! credit to the horse for staying in show mode and with rider rather than freaking out completely.
Thank you at last the voice of reason. I too see a horse who doesn’t understand what it’s being asked, is she riding someone else’s horse or maybe she only rides it in competition
I completely agree the horse is tired! And the rider I agree has very aggressive hands. I’m amazed at how well behaved the horse is considering the riders roughness. Learn to ride without your reins before this level. I think the rider is over horsed and has been often before which is why the aggressive hands, it’s a need for control because the seat and leg isn’t developed enough to handle it, so the reins become a control and safety for the rider to hang on. 🤦🏽♀️ this is not good horsemanship.
Is the horse overtrained?
@@OscarWilde1124 that hard to.say. by the way it is moving...it definitely needs a break and a restart with someone who knows what they are doing IF it was able to pass a good vet check. There are many reasons why this horse could be moving so badly.
Thank you for your expert comments. I stumbled across rollkur and was horrified. Personally I can’t see what’s going on here, aggressive hands, distressed horse, I just see the control and the beautiful animal, but I KNOW there is more to it now you’ve explained. What a crying shame! I used to ride, hack, side atop and be taken for a ride, no great expertise, but I so love horses, so I’m horrified at the implications of what you’re saying and I hope the governing bodies pull out their collective digits and take us back to good practice.
Lady- the horse’s twins were slack multiple times… it was by no means aggressive hands for the average dressage horse…
@@TakenByStormEquestrian I thought she did her best under trying circumstances but It seemed clear the horse just wanted out
Horse is SCREAMING "LET GO OF MY MOUTH!!"
That’s what I thought you can literally see the moment he’s thinking “whtf??!” At the start when he was about move the first time … out of sync I campaign for a competing in free riding ! No saddle no rains … the the true mastery comes out !!
@@leonnZawodowiec saddles help distribute weight across a horses back.
@@bananapoptarts246 , they do… but, if you are incorrectly balanced to start with, well lets just say your saddle isn’t to blame for that. And there would be no proper weight distribution then anyway.
@@onegypsytraveler6747 yeah, there are a lot of factors that come in when horseback riding. Balance is key, I was doing lessons and my trainer put me on a smaller faster horse, and during a trot I almost fell a few times due to being unbalanced on the faster trot.
I mean you get penalised for having slack reins..
I can hardly watch dressage anymore. I see the cruelty and overbearing control demanded of the poor horses.
This horse is clearly in pain. Doesn't take a genius to see that. When will we as a a species stop hurting our horses for our own personal gain?
I completely agree. I can't stand watching these competitions anymore. Is nothing but violence on the horse. The only thing I can tolerate now is horse and rider go for a leasurly walk/trot/canter in nature wher BOTH enjoy being together
Me too
Same here!!
I wonder why these whining peeps bother to watch equestrian events with such little knowledge of riding and showing. They might be happier watching ‘Barbie’.
Even a well trained War Horse got trail ridden to the fight. These horses are stall kept, except when in the arena in training. Is it any wonder they tire of it all ..
Hind movement was an issue that presented itself here. There comes a point when a Dressage horse has learned all that he can and done all that he can. Dressage horses tend to retire earlier than other horses due to how much they are worked. I love this horse to pieces and I’m sure that Brittany does too but it’s time for him to be a pasture pet.
I think you are right except horse may not be done, but done with its rider. I see a dislike for rider in the horse.
No it’s time to work that horse correctly. It’s very incorrectly ridden and needs rehabbing
No they don’t retire early !! It takes time for them to mature enough to compete but retire early. Maybe in the US who knows.
I don't think these people need to be called horsemen or women. People who truly care about horses would not sink To deliberately hurting them.
Sometimes horses have just had enough, they get over doing what they were trained to do. Its not always the riders fault. Our horses are so patient with us, they may put up with what we want them to do for years, but then they slowly start to crack. There's a tipping point. It happens. I've seen quite a few patient, obedient, good horses that just one day say, 'No more!'. Their riders desperately try to find an answer but they usually don't. It's sad, but it is what it is.
I think it's on to say it's the riders fault here
Reread your comment. "It's not always the rider's fault...they (horses) put up with WITH WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO FOR YEARS, but then they slowly start to crack". Insidious abuse is possibly worse than obvious abuse. As you say it's the few patient, obedient, good horses that tolerate it until they crack. It's ALWAYS the rider's fault. It's not just sad, it's tragic and it's abuse.
@@sarahwagland1559 I think it's a bit of a stretch calling this abuse. You don't even know this horse or rider so you shouldn't judge someone so harshly. To me it looks like the horse was simply having a bad day, it happens to us all. Granted, the rider could have handled things better as she seemed to become flustered and was desperately trying to get the horse back on track with sharper cues but it only seemed to make things worse. If the horse was acting like this in warmup too, it would have been better to just pull him from the competition then try to struggle through it seeing as he was having an off day.
@@emilywood8119 I don't have to know this horse or rider. I use my eyes and I recognize abuse when I see it. Abuse in all aspects of our lives has become so normalised that many of us fail to see it. It is imprudent to dismiss strange behaviour as one having a bad day. There is always an underlying cause and with horses it's always human as with young children it's always the adults who have influence over them. We have a responsibility to look out for the vulnerable and call out abuse when we see it even if others don't.
I wish these horses would have mandatory days off & turnout required every day. Many top horses only ever see their stall & the arena. Work, work, work... then incessant boredom.
This poor horse has said, I have had enough. Please stop. No more. That was so sad to watch.
Reminder that it's okay to stop if your horse has a bad day. It happens. A ribbon isn't worth hurting your horse mentally and physically.
It could be me, but it looks like the hind legs couldn’t take that anymore. The rider stayed cool, but I don’t think the horse can handle this mental pressure and isn’t having fun.
That's exactly what it looks like.
He’s 33. The fact he’s still competing tells you all you need to know about the people who own him.
As far as I know, this horse is currently 16, though I do agree this is outright abusive.
Poor horse, he can hardly lift his forefeet in the piaffe. Definitely showing signs of his heart not being in it either.
It could be a personality conflict as well. I would love to see this horse retired; or at the least, taken back to a lower level with a new, less demanding rider.
Unfortunately with dressage you aren't allowed to go too far backwards. You can enter a class one level below you, so foe this horse probably Advanced I guess would be as low as he can get. Hence why I've told my boy he isnt allowed to go higher than 70% because then I have to move up to prelim and we can't do prelim, he's just backed 2 years and he's only started learning to canter with a rider, even though we're still working on balancing his trot as he has a habit of running instead (could also be an Arab thing, running on adrenaline)
Beginner dressage rider and omg her hands, my trainer would chase _me_ with a whip for that.
Edit: looked at the vid again, the horse moves pretty oddly, especially during those passages. Seems so unbalanced
Considering I don't do dressage and I notice a ton of errors... its very clear this horse is retired and shouldn't have been competing this year
you can see the piaffe is being teached without it coming from the horses body. it is a trick. see how the back-half is making the strides in a rythm, but the front isn't even lifting or actively doing something. The thing with dressage is, is that very often horses like these were learned to do these exercises as a 'trick'' not as a movement that trains the body or comes from the body itself.
We can never know what a horse is going through. A "simple" bladder infection can bring inense discomfort to a horse just walking! They can't tell us!
So can years of abuse.
But as the rider with a remarkable relationship you ought to recognize discomfort at once and quit for the horse‘s sake
Spurs don’t suit all horses…he leapt forward at the start when they were applied. Would be good to see the difference in him when ridden with no spurs as he is clearly very sensitive.
Well, idk why he leapt forward... If you saw spur contact at that exact moment, then I'll assume perhaps. However, I concur regarding certain horses that are startled & bolt reactive by a spur, instead of simply moving accordingly. A bit of panic enhanced or fear enhanced reaction to a spur, I think, is from a rider, using a spur, without having developed perfection in doing so. That takes vast knowledge, experience & a true connection to both the physical horse & the horses mind. Also mandatory should be a rider who's heel is never in the horses side or even brushing against the horses hairs, unless the rider intends such. A rider who has complete awareness & feel. A rider who can easily control any boot & heel contact made with the horse. If you cant ride without heel grazing a horses side, & knowing the feel, then forget the spurs. If a horse has become dead to the touch, & ignores the rider asking, the answer is not to wear bigger, longer or sharper spurs. Its to retrain the horse to listen & respond to very slight touch. That will take lots of patience, but will be rewarding for all. Spurs can be helpful on the heels of professional trainers with natural talent & feel. Or, spurs can be destructive to everything regarding everything. Dead sides, inflicting pain & fear, creating a horse that ignores, getting you dumped, refusals, bruising the horses sides, friction causing bald spots on sides that reveal underlying bruising, negative attitudes, etc... Very few riders truly have the necessary qualifications for using spurs. I mean without ever causing a horse to feel anything negative. That's a tall order. That's almost a perfect rider. Yes, they do exist. These talented nearly perfect riders. Lucky them! Lucky horses! No, I don't wear spurs. I have before under trainer supervision. And I'm a good rider. But I don't trust my heels to be perfect. That's what spurs require. A perfect lower leg & heel. I'm good but not good enough. Bummer.
Ok, so, an addendum to my last comment regarding spurs. Anmarie, I viewed her ride, again, with sole purpose being to watch her spur contact. Oh my goodness... Yes, she's constantly into his sides. You can see the spur pressure pressing into his body. Constantly. I was like... Ohhhh not good .... Desperation had set in... for both I think. No panic, just an attempt to pull it off, which created tension, which usually fks things up. Wasn't flagrant, just makes things difficult if you cant rebound immediately, without the albatross around your neck. That also takes a near perfect rider. More spur contact is usually not the saving grace, nor is it graceful. Unfortunate, but there's hope for striving to improve everything, including the horse's well being.
This horse doesn’t look sound. So sadly doesn’t matter if the spurs were removed.
It's more than spurs.
Spurs are required at this level in FEI competitions. At least for now. Understand the rules before commenting.
The horse at the beginning twitched..he was not happy from the start (pain) but he still tried his best …😳
What a gifted horse, shame he's so frightened.
At 0.25-28 when he lunges forward and goes into extended trot; it looks like he trying to avoid ‘something’ that he knows is coming and he is trying to avoid by lunging forward. That ‘something’ could be pain.
Yup. He bobbles in all the transitions and the ones and the pirouettes
Good eye
@@caroledenis7139 Thank you. I worked with horses when I was younger, a long time ago 🤣
@@DressageHub Yes, bobbles is a good way to describe it. He wants to do shat he is asked of, particularly at the bit I described but something is stopping him.
That Poor horse looks in pain and Absolutely Miserable.
This Poor horse is so confused! To say the least, That was the most disjointed “piaffe” (attempt) that I’ve witnessed in a long time! Time for some serious decompression and retraining IMHO
If it was younger I'd agree but this horse is 33 years old and probably ring sour. He should be retired and finally get time to just relax.
He has different body language than what he had in the Olympics, that's for sure.
How can horse lovers be ok with this horrible treatment
I'm beginning to believe dressage riders are forgetting the fundamentals of this sport. Everyone is in such a hurry to get to Grand Prix, they're skipping over the basics...hmmmmmm?
I am by no means a top rider,,though this is a mess, and even I can see it. 😒
I would take this horse out to a nice horse farm. And just trail ride it
Horse farm, big fields, no Tight nosebands, no big bits where the riders hands are bad.
As much as that would be lovely, it's not that simple. These are bred to be big powerful and are often fairly hot. This horse is having a bad day that day and very tense and not happy. He wouldn't always be like that or he would never have qualified. One test is not a reflection on how he is all the time.
They are not a horse for a novice rider
@@CocoandKitty really is that a fact? Rhetorical I know the answer.
It's interesting to me how with these videos that any acting up is immediately called as the horse is in pain. First off, I wonder how many of you commentors have riden a Grand Prix test? Second: things happen very quickly in a Grand Prix test and 1 second of the rider or horse losing concentration leads to mistakes. Third: I have been told by many very famous Equine trainers that most of the time it's the rider who makes the error and this , let's just say that the rider shifts weight, this can signal something different than your " intended aid" leads to confusion in the moment and mistakes. At Grand Prix such subtle things as a slight seat bone weighting, movement in leg position or even a change in rein pressure can tell the horse to do something else. This definitely leads to confusion when in fact the horse is just responding to what you trained him to do. Again, this can lead to hops, messed up footfalls, errors in the tempi changes and count, falling out of pirouettes, etc. And finally, the Grand Prix requires the ultimate in focus and concentration again. The age and the confirmation in Grand Prix also plays a role in the flawlessness of the test. Do we know the age of this horse? How long has he been at Grand Prix? And even the weather. My big horse was very fit, as does this horse look by his physique. When it was hot and humid both of us lost our " luster ". And if the weather became cool, especially like overnight, energy abound, and we needed to try to inject it into our test. Sometimes, there was so much energy, he wasn't quite sure how to put it into the test and just lost it a bit. We have all had days when we feel " brain dead " and mentally we are slow to the event. And then there are days that we have had too much caffeine and we feel like we are bouncing off the walls. It's really unfortunate that the horse can't tell us exactly what he's feeling like, even though they do when we ride them. But as viewers of the video, we see only what we see and nothing else from which to judge from. There's no exact distance, no optimum time, no rails down, and no refusals like stopping or running out on a fence. Just what we see, and it could mean so many different things. I personally have had these days, when the horse is so energetic and strong that you wonder if he had ever learned anything, or the reverse, did you disturb his sleep and at the end of the test you feel as if you had ridden your Peloton in low gear 25 miles in the Swiss alps.
My point is please refrain from the pain blame unless you see the head bobbing up and down, the back hollowed out like between the humps of a camel, or if the horse obviously is favoring consistently a particular foot or leg. Many Grand Prix horses are dealing with age-related wear and tear on their joints and arthritis. With various alternative medicine such as accupuncture and cold laser treatments, it can be managed. Unfortunately I have days that are better than others, but I am not being cruel to myself by continuing to walk or exercise. Sorry for the novel, just my opinion
I can't be bothered to read what you wrote but this rider has years worth of abusive riding videos on our channel so step off your soap box.
You don't have to ride a Grand Prix test to be a good rider and you don't have to be a good rider to ride a Grand Prix test. You have to be a good rider to understand this.
I love it when Karen's leave btw... You don't need to tell us we don't care
you spent all that time explaining how bad riding causes that flop of a performance, but it's not lameness. ok. DVM James R. Rooney described in his multiple veterinary textbooks, including "Biomechanics of Lamenss," which was taught at UPenn.... that "lameness creates lameness." That is, abnormal movement which is not efficient and balanced, continuously performed, is the very cause of lameness.
that horse is unbelievably athletic to be able to problem solve as best as he is, performing horribly tense movements the entire time. it is grotesque in contrast with a horse and rider who ride for feel. to do this to a horse, you must never have experienced the feeling of balance and dialogue.
@@themaggieMACfly His pain may be physical or mental or both but whatever, this horse is in pain. You don't need to be an expert to see that. However, interesting point.
A tense horse and a rider trying to manage the situation, I’ve seen worst and having better scores 🤪
Watch the rest of her videos then tell me you feel the same way
Stop humiliating these noble creatures!
This was so very sad to watch from the beginning to the end. I wonder why this combination was even allowed to show at this event--the horse was lame, sore, and obviously afraid of the rider and the rider was stiff and very unyielding with her hands and arms. Horse should be retired and be allowed to play in a nice field somewhere as someone's pet...
It wasn’t their day and personally from what this short video shows I think she was kind to the horse about it and handled it very well.
Agreeeeeee
You should look up the rest of he videos on our channel. Link is in the description. I will wait
@@walton1896 Legitimate criticism unfortunately, all too often, is called "sour grapes". Illegitimate criticism is just nasty and all too often comes from the mouths of deeply unhappy people.
In what universe is this considered being "....kind to the horse?" Being "kind" would be if she discontinued the ride, because the horse was obviously in trouble...
@@heathercollins4432 - 👏👏👏 Did u (or anyone else) notice the strange head twitching, twice - in the first seconds!?? It looked like a momentary neurological blip. Other than Charlotte Dujardin, I'm starting to really, really despise Dressage. Not the "idea" of it - but what they put these horses through to get to the top & once there... 😱
Everyone is talking about how this rider abuses her horse. But no one talks about the fact that she is perhaps the only Olympic level athlete who does not distort the horse's neck and her horse NEVER wags her tail. The head of her beautiful All in is always ahead of the vertical, the back of the head is always on top. This suggests that the horse may have a complex nature, and show disobedience only for this reason, or it may simply be afraid of new territories.
Horses don't wag their tails.. A horses tail that swishes shows the horse is using his back end to work the pace, so the fact this horse isn't means he isnt using his backend because he's either sore, lazy or unbalanced. As he is trying to do what he's asked I'd say it isnt laziness. He seems unbalanced and possibly sore.
At the Tokyo Olympics, Isabelle Werth's (dressage queen) horse also did not wag its tail. By the way, I never saw the work of the hind legs of this horse. Nevertheless, this suggests that at least the horse was not picked with spurs. But I didn't like this performance. What the horsewoman shown in the video does is not contrary to the natural movements of the horse. She doesn't wrap her horse in a pretzel. I repeat: a horse can get excited, it can have its own character. But All In always looks happier than other horses. He doesn't froth or roll his eyes. He is not forced to wave his legs hysterically or twist his neck.
Why don’t you post one of her better tests? I get the impression whoever runs this channel is always looking to find this horse & riders worst moments to post.
This person is a troll and a bully.
Don't know what happened but this horse looked good in the Olympics!
Team vet happened. They do a lot of unethical things to get a horse to look sound for the Olympics. Yeah vet goes home and both Sebastian and All In are lame
@@DressageHub that's horrific!!!!! why no charges laid? THis is animal cruelty!!
@@susanadams3874 Animal cruelty is the norm in horse "sports."
I do riding lesson with 5-15 yr olds and there hands are softer that that, a great horse, a aggressive rider
Lovely horse and rider did her best. 👍 Sometimes it just doesn't come off as well as it should have
Watch her playlist then tell me what you think
Lamest response ever...
This is NOT the first time seeing this horrible reaction from over schooled totally disciplined dressage horses...sad.
An equestrian sport of modern times from a schooling technique at this level to make battle mounts ridden by hardy men. Also just ridden out across country as transport, training in formation riding in just a normal walk, trot, canter, tied up with buddies when the soldiers stopped for refreshments. They were not just in the school year in year out having the movements so intensified and exaggerated that they break down. The lower levels are education to perform well doing other pursuits, out for rides, handling farm stock, able to go into the hack ring at a show, or do the jumping.
I couldn't have said it better. As a former dressage rider and trainer, I HATE it. I only ride in halters now. If a person can't ride in a halter and the horse won't listen, then go back to ground work and start over. One leads a horse with a halter, stops, turns, etc. Do we really need painful metal in a horse's mouth to ride him, and spurs and whips? Poor poor horse, all for the sake of human ego.
@@famouskate9071 if you were a dressage rider and a trainer, you would know bits are not painful 🙄
Poor creature, I' m so sorry that humans tolerate this abuse.
This is disgusting. Both the aggressive hands and the huge raking leg movement with spurs. This beautiful horse hates his rider. It's the opposite of good dressage. He needs to be retired and re-homed If this is the best of the best, then it's time to withdraw from competition and find more talented and compassionate riders.
How is this poor horse nowadays? Being well taken care of? Has he been retired or something? Can someone tell me, please? Thanks for any news!!
Lots of comments from folks about the rider. Unless you have had dressage lessons or competed at an Olympic level...shut up and keep your opinion to yourself.
This is horrible to see. Any dressage test or sport with a horse should be enjoyable for both - rider and horse. If it is no longer enjoyable for one or the other, then both should retire. It is a partnership, not a show of cruel dominance.
Honestly it’s quite hard to even watch high level dressage anymore now that the cats out of the bag on all the elite barns. If the worlds sweetheart getting busted wasn’t a wake up call, there is no hope.. and to see everyone making excuses for rope level riders is astonishing and shows you exactly what’s going on. They’re defending themselves because they do the exact same thing. Sits like when the cops are interrogating a murderer and they use that little trick question,” what would you think the appropriate punishment should be for someone who committed this crime.” They always come up with excuses and never a hard comeback.. why?? Because they’re guilty
At this u see..the horse wants to break free. This horse has seen only the bottom fom at warming up area. Tightened, more and more tightened to smash it!
Realize just how sour and fed up with the constant overtraining in this beautiful but demanding sport. Its sad to see at this level, however cant you see him trying to convey how much he is indicating that he has had enough! Yearning for a break and refusing. It makes me very sad.
There was no harmony between the rider and her mount.
Over all it looks like the horse is in better shape and is more correct. In places he even had quite a lovely Piaffe. And was not nearly as overflexed for most of this video. Hell, that canter break at the second Piaffe pirouette looks a lot more like he stepped a bit funny. Especially in super slow mo.
I’m wondering if he might actually have a case of “I feel good WOO LET’S GOOOOO” syndrome. It would be wonderful if so. When horses start to feel good they often act up.
I don’t know though, I wasn’t there to watch warmup.
He had been getting more and more lame since January
Amber, I'm genuinely asking because I'm fairly new to all of this - which bit of piaffe in this video did you like? Can you give me a timestamp? Again I'm far from an expert but it just did not seem to me like the piaffe was regularly two-beat.
None of them were regular or correct. She also uses the piaffe fan to hide it.
@@horse631 the steps around 0:36 were decent, the first quarter of the pirouette. Lacked some energy, but seemed regular and in rhythm. The rest of the pirouette was awful, just like the rest of the piaffes. But I guess that was the part she talked about. But like DH says, pirouettes and fans are often used to hide shitty piaffes. They wil probably show the absolute minimal required amount of straight steps somewhere hidden from the judges and put some fans here and there.
@@DressageHub Well, lovely for a warmblood in modern dressage.
Sometimes when I see these dressage disasters, I really think that it’s just so physically demanding and these horses aren’t quite ready for such an extended duration doing these very physically demanding movements and performances. Perhaps, they should not be allowed to use those bits. Of course I can’t see what it is from here, but it does look like it’s pretty severe and some of these horses aren’t physically ready for that level of work.
You're right, that double bridle is very severe and the horse's mouth is often open, trying to escape the pain.
Lame in the right hind
That horse is so heavy on the forehand
Was soll dieser Film? Es gibt weitaus schlimmere Reiter:innen und Vorstellungen. Was bezweckt man mit dieser Form des Anprangerns?
Verwunderlich, wer sich alles anmaßt es hier vernichtend zu kommentieren ....
I couldn't even watch the entire thing. Horrible....
I have no idea of the mistakes here as I know absolutely nothing about that profession so-would anyone be so kind and let me know by telling me the minutes and seconds where the big problem are? Thanks so far and sorry but I really want to understand.♥️
The horse leaps forwards from standing at the beginning, which is not part of the test. If you look at the back and front legs when the horse is moving on the spot, they are not well co-ordinated. The horse should flow seamlessly from one movement to another but here there is some tension which makes the movements look jerky.
The horse should also be soft around the mouth but at times especially as the riders brings the horse to a stop at the beggining, you might see the horse chewing and moving its nose from side to side.
The pair got a personal best score 2 days before at the same competition, so maybe the horse was just tired and having an off day, hence the stiffness.
Hope that helps a little! x
Judges should have kicked her out , shame on them !!!!!!
The horse cannot be blamed.
С каких пор у нас правила оценки пиаффе изменились? Почему все делают его на переду с подбрасываением зада?
Good question
I would be interested to hear comment from the rider....they know their horses best....
Its usually not their horse.. they ride it for someone else who does own it.
What's the Name of the Muisc?
Too much tension and pressure on the horse even before the beginning. The horse wants to escape. It isn't loose in any way. Very aweful
Beautiful horse. Acts like he's bored. Or doesn't like doing it
I blame it on the match up of the horse and rider. If they don't sync, they can not communicate a smooth transition on the easiest of changes or movements.
I'm under attack... Lets start over. My most humble apologies... I must've overstepped, idk, however, thank you, & looking forwards to new & refreshed dialogue with everyone! Happy Saturday ☮️☯️ 💞🙏💕
Awh...no worries. You probably just didn't have the whole picture. Nice of you to come back after a rough start.❤
@@Nicole-qc5dh Thanks Nicole! Well played. I appreciate your tactfully encouraging comment, allowing me some wiggle room. I have been known to doze off mid picture, lol!!!! This is a fun & entertaining venue!!!
The poor horse just wants all out!
The hind legs are so fucking unbalanced I hate how Fei doesn’t care about this
While dressage is high performance, the rate at which these horses go lame doing nothing but flat work on soft footing speaks volumes about how horrible the movements are from a biomechanical standpoint. Arthritis, suspensories, navicular, and I'm sure tons of them have back and neck problems that are less obvious from being cranked in all the time. My former dressage trainer had a gold medal warmblood in his teens that needed double pads despite never leaving the arena. You'll never see properly trained classical horses looking this tense and uncomfortable. The traveling school has horses in their 20s still performing airs calmly and willingly.
A dressage disaster seems almost always anticlimactic because the horse and rider are performing at such a high level to begin with. Hunter jumper and Arabian free style classes by comparing have occasionally very serious blowups. Sometimes I can’t even watch.
This horse looks miserable.
Not enjoying his job at all.
Yeah :(
0:39 pretty sure the constant spurs digging into the sides of that poor horse doesn't help. Watch carefully- it's just poke, poke, poke... the whole time. Also reined in so tight, and yanking the bit...nasty person only cares about herself and winning, not the poor horse.
Watching that made me cringe for the horse..
Dass Pferd ist sehr angespannt und überfordert.
This horse is acting like it is in pain.
Omg that horse is absolutely stunning 😍
She's a great rider!
@@jocelynpearson1932 No, she's not.
No one wants to see this, EVER, 2yrs on we are still seeing it 😢
Not a horse problem, but a total ass rider problem!!!
Better days ahead. Nice moving horse. Rider handled the horse very well!!
Horse needs to retire
Were you maybe watching a different video?
HUH???? Really? No.
Kind of makes me feel sad for those awesome horses if they are being pushed to death.. I see what some do to TN Walkers. Shame.. if I am mis speaking I’m sorry. God loves horses. Very pretty animal tho
I mean they arent pushed to death, they arwnt race horses and they do tend to retire earlier than other disciplines due to how intense their work actually is.. You also can't have a showjumping horse if it doesn't have basic schooling, which is essentially dressage. A horse needs balance, discipline, breaks, and to listen to aids in any discipline whether it be dressage, cross country or barrel racing etc. Many horses do enjoy lower levels of dressage, piaffe and passage are usually required by I believe its either novice or advance level. But intro dressage is basically a walk and trot test.
Ok, I'm not a professional rider, bit even I would grade this test very low, pitting the horse's clear discomfort aside.
The rider is behind the gate (leaning too far back) snd very tense. There is no flow or movement in the rider. The horses movements are choppy and uneven. Notice that at the trot the front and back legs do NOT land kn the same beat. The trot becomes a three beat when it should be a two. The horse ficks the toe at the extended trot. This is a broken trot and breaks the flow of the motion even more.
A piaff should be round and gentle. This was stilted and painful. Hesitation before bringing the foot down, instead of a steady rhythm. Transitions are clunky and there is a clear miscommunication between rider and horse. The horse does not know what the rider wants, and the rider has no idea how to ask for it.
Dressage should be a waltz. A graceful, elegant partner dance. Flowing movements, and harmony between parters. Your horse is not your machine, or your mount, or anything. The horse is your dance partner. There is no harmony here.
My point in all this is that no one can even argue that the horse is being sacrificed for a good performance. The performance is awful and even in my local competitions would rank VERY low.
This horse is being tortured for no reason. There is nothing pretty or nice about this, and is a failing grade performance.
This rider should be taken back to basics and banned from competing for a very long time.
Sad, sad and heartbreaking..terrible for people to push a horse who is obviously in pain and not fit to be ridden😢😢😢
This horse has major hind end issues and soreness…
That horse is misery personified !!!! That girl should be catapulted off that horse and start riding bikes. Riders like this one give dressage a bad name. As if it wasn't bad enough as it is.
Very Aggressive Hands...hard to watch. That poor boy; 33 years old. He needs tender loving care now.
Horse is not sound.
Why didn't the judges stop the ride?
He's behind the bit. In pain. Is this a rolkur horse?
Sure is.
Obviously.
You certainly feel a certain enjoinment seeing somebody fail !?
Right? This person is an absolute bully! Either really jealous or just mean. Maybe both.
@@margaretbailey9966 I think both AND intensly frustrated that she has never played the important role she planned for herself. Is this mean what I write? Yes perhaps, but not halve as mean as her posts
I mean it highlights the ugly side of dressage. How half these people make it to the Olympics is beyond me. 90% of the time its rider error. Either wrong cues, or being too aggressive with hands and leg aids. They should be so subtle it looks like they're just sitting there. Like Charlotte Dujardin with Valegro. She is by far the best dressage rider I have seen yet.
Started badly with tension and a miscommunication. The test is so difficult they had a hard time recovering which of course produced more tension. That's a darn nice horse with potential for brilliance as he gets stronger. Maybe not ready to show GP at this type of venue? No shame in that... best of luck to them
He is old
They were in the top 18 at the Olympics this year.
😱 Eigentlich muss schon vorher aufgefallen sein, dass mit diesem Pferd etwas nicht in Ordnung ist.Es bewegt sich wirklich sehr unharmonisch und schlecht ausbalanciert. Ich glaube nicht , dass vor dem Turnier alles bestens war! Es war natürlich extrem unruhig , aber das erklärt auch nicht alles.
is it normal for the horses to jump forward in dressage like it did at 0:25
No, that is a huge mess up on the riders part. A lack of communication and extremely harsh aids led to the horse leaping forward like that.
And how many of you commenting have actually ridden at least one official dressage concourse .....
I'm guessing 0 ...at least not past M2.. I would like to remind you that this is there worst day ... most of you could not even stand in there shadow on this off day let alone when they are in sync.
ride more, comment less
Watch all of the videos of this pair then step off your soap box.
@@DressageHub you really hate it when anyone disagrees with your hate, don't you? Call them Karens, say they're "gaslighting", tell the to get off their soap box. Then these mysterious commenters come in agreeing, and seem to be the same each time. Kinda sad you need to make yourself feel better this way.
I mean if it were me and I had a horse that reacted as this one did in the beginning I'd just retire the round
You're going to lose a lot of marks for spooking on course so there is absolutely no point in continuing.
Animal abuse. Stop it🖤💛❤
I think we all saw what happened, the horse had been turned down by multiple riders. It’s just a dumb way of doing a competition
It’s as if he has an injury in the hind end