Glad to see you reviewing stuff like this other than skis. I think you overlooked the most obvious and beneficial reason to get these is if your current liner is packed out. Especially if your current boot serves you well already. These will feel like a million bucks if you're already reasonably happy with your boots but feel like you're starting to get some pressure points from the liner packing out.
I have had a pair for a few seasons. I'm a BIG fan. I was lucky enought to deal with the head office in Vancouver, BC. Great people working there. The liners are light weight, quick drying. They grip your foot really well inside the boot. They are much warmer than a stock liner. The foam is quite firm and equates to great energy transfer. I love them and will buy again.
A great advantage of Intuition liners is they do go in and out of the shell so easily - and this matters because you should remove your liners and footbeds after every use so they can dry properly. 40 years of patrolling, I can tell you, dry boots are key
With new boots or liners I always take liner outdoors & spray outside surfaces with silicone. Leave them in garage & let them dry - the petroleum solvent will smell for a day or so until it evaporates. Then enjoy easy removal/insertion for years to come ! ( am also a ski patroller )
Switched from my 4 year old stock Tecnica liners to Intuition at the start of last season and couldn’t be happier. Would probably be equally happy with Zip and Surefoot but I chose Intuition because my preferred bootfitter sells them. In my case my foot geometry (and likely age) have made ski boots uncomfortable and leaky. The intuition liners have been a revelation. My feet are comfortable (I rarely have to unbuckle), dry and warm - something I haven’t experienced in years. And similar to another commenter, I found my boots skied stiffer with the Intuition so I was able to dial them back through a liner adjustment.
I've never used Intuition, but something to keep in mind for the comparison is that a zip fit will last more than 1000 days if you take care of it. When people complain about the cost they usually don't consider that. I know a patroller up at Big Sky who has been on one pair since 2011
This was a excellent review !!!! I’ve had these liners for 3 seasons bc the factory liners on my Salomon boots packed out quickly Everything you said about them is dead on accurate Only thing g you left out is that they are heat moldable and I would highly recommend doing so It improves the performance and comfort Great job
People impressed with this should also consider the Intuition wrap liners. I went from tongue liners to wraps at my last boot change, and I find them a significant improvement for shin comfort. The only drawback is that they're more difficult to get into my shells than stock, but that is at least partly due to the newer boot having a very stiff instep area. I have to world cup them to step in & out.
Another great review. I had an unrelated question on a ski recommendation. For the beautiful lady in my life, we will be buying her first set of Skis. She used rentals in her first half of the season. We are located in the Northeast, skiing mostly groomers. (1st priority) Looking for a ski with good turn initiation but will also allow her to exit the turn easily as needed. (2nd priority) A ski that can reasonably deal with 2-4 inch powder day. I ski the 2024 Ranger 90 - too wide for her first set I’d think. I'm thinking maybe a ranger 84, maven 86? Any thoughts are appreciated.
Thanks for the great review, I've been trying both Zipfit and Intuition and agree with everything you have said. Zipfit is great and all but as a premium product, the price and compromises (ex. having to do a "World Cup" liner entry) are not appropriate for more casual skiers. I also you hope you will get to try an Intuition wrap liner as they offer different features and a different fit that could work better for some people. I've been using an Intuition wrap liner for some time now and have been quite happy with it. Intuition liners also do go on discount sometimes (I think they some right now on their website) and maybe also on Evo?
I just bought these for a specific reason - I only ski a couple of times a year these days, and I quite liked my old boots (still in very good shape no stress lines, stored out of the sun in a cold area) but the liners statted disintegrating - I was really dreading spending $700 on boots I hardly use, or getting cheap boots I would just hate on my precious few ski days. Well these liners are just fantastic. They make my old boots feel amazing - better than new. If I skied often I would consider putting these in new boots because they're just better. For those who will no doubt tell me that if my foam liners are degraded than the shell must be dangerously brittle also, first of all it's ridiculous to suggest that all plastic materials degrade to failure at the same rate, second it's a risk I'm choosing to take and it's none of your business, and it could be a reasonable option for others also.
Boot plastic gets old, gets stiff, and.....brittle. My wife's 20+ year old boots, after a break of ~15 years broke into 7 pieces in the parking lot simply by a single step after donning. At the rental shop they said anything over 15 years should be suspect. Breaking in the lot is 'better'. Breaking on the hill is not so good. They said this is not a completely rare occurrence. Told this to friends that haven't skied in a couple decades. A few tried dropping them from head height onto concrete and many broke. Prior to this I thought plastic ski boots would last FOREVER and ultimately become unfortunate permanent waste. Now I know they ultimately become nasty micro-plastic.
Great review! I also found my Intuition liners stiffened the boot - I could not use my Dalbello 130 Uni's with race skis until I put the Intuition liner in. Forward flex is much stiffer now, (those Dalbellos are a very soft 130).
I run Intuitions as well, they are warm and responsive. I don't even bother with stock liners. If your are in Boise, hit me up if you want brand new Lange RX liners in 25.5. A couple of years old, but have never been used.
Have you heard of Apex? Yesterday when I went skiing i saw someone with some and they loved them.. I have seen them a few times and the people with them love them..
Hi Elliott, nice review. I've been skiing on Intuition liners for 20 years, most of those because the boots actually came with stock Intuition liners (Scarpa and Full Tilt, and I think also my old Raichles). I'm currently on Tecnica Zero G boots with Intuition tour wrap liners. A few things I think you could comment on your review. 1. The Intuition liners are very light so they're an option for touring boots, unlike the zipfits. 2. A lot of people find them warmer than stock liners, I can't really say because I have no reference point. So it would be good to hear your take on it. 3. My last 2 Intuition liners have been wrap liners, would be great if you could comment on the difference between those and tongue liners. 4. I also love the tightening cord, in my liners there's a velcro tab to stick them but there's still some loose cord that I have to stick betweenthe overlapping wrap. In my wife's liners, also Intuition wrap, they are even better placed so there's no loose cord. One issue I find with aftermarket liners is that manufacturers don't sell just the shell, so when you buy a boot knowing that you will stick an aftermarket liner in it have to throw away the liner which I think is wasteful. I wish there was an option to get only the the shell and maybe even save some of the cost of the stock liners. But the that would be a nightmare for the manufacturer who may be stuck with liners without shells.
@Ceemysix sorry didn't have time to go into depth on my review. The reason why I didn't like them is I couldn't get them to form well to my feet. Just didn't work for me. I feel you're better off just getting a high quality boot and spend the time and money on a good boot fitter
I've been using intiution liners for at least 20 years, they have improved a lot over time. The one downside is that they eventually pack out and get loose. I do think the newer versions take longer than the older ones to pack out.
Glad to see you reviewing stuff like this other than skis. I think you overlooked the most obvious and beneficial reason to get these is if your current liner is packed out. Especially if your current boot serves you well already. These will feel like a million bucks if you're already reasonably happy with your boots but feel like you're starting to get some pressure points from the liner packing out.
Love my Intuition wrap lines. No shin bang and fit large Calves. Love the channel!! Keep it up, let’s see some Mogul 🎿
I have had a pair for a few seasons. I'm a BIG fan. I was lucky enought to deal with the head office in Vancouver, BC. Great people working there. The liners are light weight, quick drying. They grip your foot really well inside the boot. They are much warmer than a stock liner. The foam is quite firm and equates to great energy transfer. I love them and will buy again.
A great advantage of Intuition liners is they do go in and out of the shell so easily - and this matters because you should remove your liners and footbeds after every use so they can dry properly. 40 years of patrolling, I can tell you, dry boots are key
With new boots or liners I always take liner outdoors & spray outside surfaces with silicone. Leave them in garage & let them dry - the petroleum solvent will smell for a day or so until it evaporates. Then enjoy easy removal/insertion for years to come ! ( am also a ski patroller )
Good idea I’ll give that a try. Old school stuff there spraying silicone all around the locker room!
Thanks for the review
Got these for my Lange Shadow's from Sole Boot Lab CHX and they worked really well. Fixed alot of my cramp in the sole of my foot.
Switched from my 4 year old stock Tecnica liners to Intuition at the start of last season and couldn’t be happier. Would probably be equally happy with Zip and Surefoot but I chose Intuition because my preferred bootfitter sells them. In my case my foot geometry (and likely age) have made ski boots uncomfortable and leaky. The intuition liners have been a revelation. My feet are comfortable (I rarely have to unbuckle), dry and warm - something I haven’t experienced in years. And similar to another commenter, I found my boots skied stiffer with the Intuition so I was able to dial them back through a liner adjustment.
I've never used Intuition, but something to keep in mind for the comparison is that a zip fit will last more than 1000 days if you take care of it. When people complain about the cost they usually don't consider that. I know a patroller up at Big Sky who has been on one pair since 2011
This was a excellent review !!!!
I’ve had these liners for 3 seasons bc the factory liners on my Salomon boots packed out quickly
Everything you said about them is dead on accurate
Only thing g you left out is that they are heat moldable and I would highly recommend doing so It improves the performance and comfort
Great job
People impressed with this should also consider the Intuition wrap liners. I went from tongue liners to wraps at my last boot change, and I find them a significant improvement for shin comfort. The only drawback is that they're more difficult to get into my shells than stock, but that is at least partly due to the newer boot having a very stiff instep area. I have to world cup them to step in & out.
Replace ment stock liners for my Speedmachines are $250. So these liners are actually priced very competitively
Another great review.
I had an unrelated question on a ski recommendation.
For the beautiful lady in my life, we will be buying her first set of Skis. She used rentals in her first half of the season. We are located in the Northeast, skiing mostly groomers.
(1st priority) Looking for a ski with good turn initiation but will also allow her to exit the turn easily as needed. (2nd priority) A ski that can reasonably deal with 2-4 inch powder day.
I ski the 2024 Ranger 90 - too wide for her first set I’d think. I'm thinking maybe a ranger 84, maven 86? Any thoughts are appreciated.
Doesn't removing your liners everyday accelerate the packing out process?
I mainly just plug my boot dryers in and leave the liners in.
Thanks for the great review, I've been trying both Zipfit and Intuition and agree with everything you have said. Zipfit is great and all but as a premium product, the price and compromises (ex. having to do a "World Cup" liner entry) are not appropriate for more casual skiers. I also you hope you will get to try an Intuition wrap liner as they offer different features and a different fit that could work better for some people. I've been using an Intuition wrap liner for some time now and have been quite happy with it.
Intuition liners also do go on discount sometimes (I think they some right now on their website) and maybe also on Evo?
I just bought these for a specific reason - I only ski a couple of times a year these days, and I quite liked my old boots (still in very good shape no stress lines, stored out of the sun in a cold area) but the liners statted disintegrating - I was really dreading spending $700 on boots I hardly use, or getting cheap boots I would just hate on my precious few ski days. Well these liners are just fantastic. They make my old boots feel amazing - better than new. If I skied often I would consider putting these in new boots because they're just better. For those who will no doubt tell me that if my foam liners are degraded than the shell must be dangerously brittle also, first of all it's ridiculous to suggest that all plastic materials degrade to failure at the same rate, second it's a risk I'm choosing to take and it's none of your business, and it could be a reasonable option for others also.
Boot plastic gets old, gets stiff, and.....brittle. My wife's 20+ year old boots, after a break of ~15 years broke into 7 pieces in the parking lot simply by a single step after donning.
At the rental shop they said anything over 15 years should be suspect. Breaking in the lot is 'better'. Breaking on the hill is not so good. They said this is not a completely rare occurrence.
Told this to friends that haven't skied in a couple decades. A few tried dropping them from head height onto concrete and many broke. Prior to this I thought plastic ski boots would last FOREVER and ultimately become unfortunate permanent waste. Now I know they ultimately become nasty micro-plastic.
Great review! I also found my Intuition liners stiffened the boot - I could not use my Dalbello 130 Uni's with race skis until I put the Intuition liner in. Forward flex is much stiffer now, (those Dalbellos are a very soft 130).
I noticed the same with the intuition liner I use in one of my rollerblade pairs.
how would a 3 ski quiver of the mirus cor,Enforcer 94, and Bent chetler 100 be
I run Intuitions as well, they are warm and responsive. I don't even bother with stock liners. If your are in Boise, hit me up if you want brand new Lange RX liners in 25.5. A couple of years old, but have never been used.
Have you heard of Apex? Yesterday when I went skiing i saw someone with some and they loved them.. I have seen them a few times and the people with them love them..
8am ELLIOTT LFG!
Hi Elliott, nice review. I've been skiing on Intuition liners for 20 years, most of those because the boots actually came with stock Intuition liners (Scarpa and Full Tilt, and I think also my old Raichles). I'm currently on Tecnica Zero G boots with Intuition tour wrap liners.
A few things I think you could comment on your review.
1. The Intuition liners are very light so they're an option for touring boots, unlike the zipfits.
2. A lot of people find them warmer than stock liners, I can't really say because I have no reference point. So it would be good to hear your take on it.
3. My last 2 Intuition liners have been wrap liners, would be great if you could comment on the difference between those and tongue liners.
4. I also love the tightening cord, in my liners there's a velcro tab to stick them but there's still some loose cord that I have to stick betweenthe overlapping wrap. In my wife's liners, also Intuition wrap, they are even better placed so there's no loose cord.
One issue I find with aftermarket liners is that manufacturers don't sell just the shell, so when you buy a boot knowing that you will stick an aftermarket liner in it have to throw away the liner which I think is wasteful. I wish there was an option to get only the the shell and maybe even save some of the cost of the stock liners. But the that would be a nightmare for the manufacturer who may be stuck with liners without shells.
Very nice video
High end Lange liners the bear rec
I think they are terrible.
Well that is a detailed review. “they are terrible”. I’ll take that healthy dose of quality information and run with it. So informative.
@Ceemysix sorry didn't have time to go into depth on my review. The reason why I didn't like them is I couldn't get them to form well to my feet. Just didn't work for me. I feel you're better off just getting a high quality boot and spend the time and money on a good boot fitter
@ Thanks for elaborating. I think that is sound advice.
I've been using intiution liners for at least 20 years, they have improved a lot over time. The one downside is that they eventually pack out and get loose. I do think the newer versions take longer than the older ones to pack out.