With the Superb Education about EV's we are getting from Barrie its got to make you think and realise how powerful Govt and media are in shaping other things in our life, these are things that benefit companies and Govt, but whats really in it for us?, from here on out we need to question everything that's pushed on us, Everything, nobody is looking out for us so it really is our job to do it.
@@freeforester1717 Not sure about that T.B.H., I don't touch politics as I believe they are all bent and will take money for favours. we all need some Honesty for the better of the UK.
EV Carnage has released a video about the cheapest new EV on the market the Dacia Spring, a rebadged Dong feng £16,000, he found out it’s advertised on Arnold Clark’s website being offered at £12,500. Already discounted by £3,500 before you can even buy one. Madness.
Petrol down 4%, diesel down 13% and ev's up 31% in December.......the answer is simple..... Dealers are withholding sales of ice cars and pre registering ev's to meet net zero ev mandate......they can release the restriction of ice car sales for a while but they will have a load of unsold ev's going into the next year, this situation will become worse as the year goes forward with a larger proportion of ev's will need to be fidposed of with an even larger quota for the year to meet the mandate.....its going yo get very messy..
Just wait for the January figures that will be released in February. All of the ICE buyers will be picking up the cars that they ordered last year but couldn't be released.
@alfiedodah9799 The EV mandate is there for a reason and its working. You may not agree or like it, but never the less, the powers that be with all of the over arching knowledge and data, have decided its required. By the way the whole pre registering of EVs thing is a red herring. An equivalent percentage of ICE cars are pre registered too! haha look it up.
Gordon Brown advertised the sale of half our gold to get the price back down to bail out one of the big US bullion banks as they were massively short gold and facing bankrupcy. I reckoned it up a few weeks ago and the loss on that physical gold is now around $27 billion and he gets a knighthood for it. That's freemasons for you.
Andy Palmer has moved around the auto industry a lot. These chancers get promoted way over their ability and stick out a job for as long as they can get away with and then move on to another. When they have reached the top then other companies automatically think they are top notch and they can easily get a ceo position elsewhere. I work in the auto industry in design and I see it happen all the time. Who is there above a ceo in a company to scrutinise a person's ability to do the job well? No one. Then because the ceo is usually incompetent they hire department heads who are also useless because the ceo knows absolutely nothing about what they do, and so it goes on ad infinitum, in all companies, year after year. Tragic.
That job traditionally falls to the Chairperson of a company. Also, the Board can effectively dismiss a CEO by tabling a vote of no confidence in their leadership. In practice, all those people are bribed to do whatever their sponsors wish, even to run the corporation into the ground.
Very dark times Barrie, the government need to stop the Z.E.V mandate and lift the 2030 combustion engine ban and let the market decide. Let the customer have a fair choice. Last time I checked, choice is one of the basic foundation of human rights.
Never happen ! You need to ask 'why' ? Maybe go down that 'rabbit hole' ? The days of "conspiracy" are over , it's CBDC , food controls , and elites pushing agendas !
Exactly! At such a good price it affects the secondhand values of all other EVs. Wonder what kind of language Hertz would use if an EV manufacturer was to give them a call?
Chuckled at the figures. Apparently the proportion of Dec 2024 sales was record 31% was below the Dec 2022 percentage 😂 Anyway if they're at 31% and they're not fiddling the figures by pre-registration then they won't need any of their so-called "incentives" as they'll be naturally above the 28% 😂 They are real clowns
never understood the default of manufacturers to build 2 ton sheds when the whole range anxiety issue with EVs says lightweight slippery is the way to go (model 3)
I don't know the motor trade but if dealers are holding loads of stock in the hope of strengthening demand/prices, surely they're playing a dangerous game. They can't keep mopping up cars that won't sell?
I'll tell you a story from the late 90s Baz - I worked at a computer manufacturer in the run-up to Christmas and us sales guys were selling computer systems faster than Purchasing could keep up with. There was a CPU shortage (or a shortage at the purchasing pricepoint) so the plan was to build the computers except for the processor brain, pile them up in a corner of the factory and put the CPUs in at the last minute when they arrived. However nobody informed the warehouse manager, who mistakenly sent out these computers. January was spent dealing with hordes of angry customers who had a dead computer as a Christmas present. Could these stockpiled cars in fields and on airfields be without their most expensive parts - their batteries, which would be fitted IF they get sold?? Have you spoken to anyone who has purchased one of these airfield EVs, did they then have a suspiciously long wait to get their hands on it? What was the process? Would be interesting to find out!
I may have missed something... The vast number of ice cars that were held over until new year (to favourably skew EV sales) will now skew this year's EV percentages, but adversely. I can't wait to hear from the "experts" that will need to be creative in how they report 2025 sales. When will we learn how it's going NOW?? I'm not expecting a growth in EV demand. I haven't found one person (in those I've talked to ) that will consider buying an EV.
Worse: the end game is to bankrupt the large capacity automotive manufacturers, starting with VAG. Net debt (3Q2024) was €240 billion. Second most indebted corporation in the world. Which bank is going to extend their overdraft this year?
More work on deployment of chargers ??? 70,000 EV public chargers 8,300 petrol stations - say 8 pumps on average per station = 66,400 pumps But heck say there is the same amount of public refuelling points for EV's as ICE vehicles 41.4m vehicles registered on UK roads 1.4 are EV's which leaves 40m or 30x more "other" vehicles (mostly ICE - minus some hybrids, lpg etc...) So there is 1 public charge point per 20 EV's Vs 1 fuel pump per 570 "other" vehicle type (Even if you remove Hybrid/LPG & take it down to say 1 pump per 500 ICE vehicles) So EV's have 1 public refuelling point to 20 EV's against 1 pump for 500 ICE vehicles But yeah they claim they need better charging infrastructure ??? How many more charge points do you think we need ??? Yet this isn't including that most privately owned EV's have their own means to charge at home, either by a home wall charger or a 3 pin granny charger Which the estimates places home/work chargers at around 930,000 or 1m in private + public charging So there is 1m EV charge points (private + public) for less than 1.5m EV's (again 1 pump per 500+ ICE vehicles) Again: Just how many more EV charge points are needed & still fail to hit the 22% ZEV figure ???
And you've forgotten to say HOW the electricity will be produced if we're ALL EV ? Absolutely LUDICROUS ! Net 0 , the 2nd biggest SCAM after the fake sickness scam !
I looked at chargers in my area which is mid wales and my opinion is very poor as there are very few fast chargers who on a trip would want to charge at 7kw even 25kw is slow and at 79p for a slow charge is not the future
Yeah but though there are fewer pumps per ICE compared to EV chargers, how many ICE cars can you get through a petrol station while one EV sits for ages being charged?
@leecromer3289 EV public charger ratio 20:1 ICE pump ratio 500:1 So there is 25x difference in the ratios of vehicle to charging/refuelling or to put it another way... A fast EV charger at 50kWh - not talking about 100kWh or 150kWh or even faster chargers that are being installed, just a modestly 50kWh fast charger - we are told it can recharge an EV to 80% in 45 minutes but let's say 50 mins for ease of maths to recharge an EV to 80% (after that the charging rate slows) So 50 mins to charge an EV to 80% - so assuming say a 50 to 60kW battery (charging from say 10% to 80% = 70% of said 60kW = 35 to 42kW charge req in 50mins) (even less on a 100kWh, 150kWh) Do you think you could refill 25 ICE cars in the same 50 minutes ??? That's a refuelling pit stop in 2 minutes - hmmm I doubt it, but let's assume the ICE owners work on the Red Bull F1 team pulling out all the stops & complete the whole process including paying/transaction in 120 seconds or less Ah but not all public chargers are fast chargers - yes true but the vast majority of recently installed chargers (and they've been really busy bashing these out in last 12/18 months) are 50kWh or more Most commercial chargers will be 3-phase 22kWh at least, but I was talking about public chargers reaching parity to ICE fuel pumps - yet the ratio is 20:1 vs 500:1 with ICE pumps Plus the vast majority of private EV owners will tend to charge from home mostly, often only using public chargers when the are desperate... So the 20 EV to 1 charger is even less - way less than 20:1 If private EV owners only use a public charger say 10% or 1 in 10 recharges that alters the the ratio to 2 EV's seeking to recharge on public chargers But even altering the 20:1 to half of that 10:1... That would mean you need to try to refuel 50 - FIFTY ICE vehicles in the 50 min time slot Now all these figures are getting out of hand perhaps... BUT above all else the point I'm making - and I am an EV owner myself... The public charging network has already reached parity with fuel pumps yet the ratio of 20:1 vs 500:1 ICE also balances out roughly speaking or how many EV's or ICE vehicles can go through that charger/pump in 24 hours etc... Most of us can/do charge at home but ICE vehicles are bound to visiting a refuelling station to share with another 499 ICE vehicles
@@authuruksake969 wow, impressive! However looking at it from a real world perspective, yes you are probably correct in your calculations, but what happens if there were the same number of EVs on the road as ICE cars? The time it takes to pull up, fill up and drive off, even if an average of five minutes, there will have to be a massive increase of public chargers to accommodate a similar throughput of EVs. Bearing in mind the national grid nearly collapsed in November and consumption increases during commercial breaks, I honestly don’t think the grid will be in a position to cope with a bigger charging infrastructure for a long time yet. It’s ok saying a lot of people charge from home and that’s fine if you’re toddling to the shops, but on longer journeys public chargers will be essential for most. Thinking about it, and I don’t think you may have considered this in your calculations, if you have twenty chargers and are all occupied for 50 minutes, can you imagine, even with an average fill time of five minutes, how many ICE cars could flow through a filling station in fifty minutes that has twenty pumps? That would be ten cars per pump, that would be 200 ICE cars per fifty minutes, not 20 EVs, and I should imagine that for all but the longest journeys an ICE car could fill its tank and do a return journey without refuelling which would require maybe one or two stops to recharge for an EV which brings us back to the through put problem…honestly I’m not convinced…
30% yea, that's probably right... but they have been registered and are sitting. UNSOLD in some field somewhere..😅 And for deisels and petrol vehicles They are in the same fields, but Unregistered...JUST TO MANIPULATE THE FIGURES...your spot on Barry keep up the good work 👏 👏👏
I worked at a company that decided to abandon flexi-time and gave us a choice of three variations of set hours. Then they used the argument that the selected set hours were what the employees voted for, except there was no option to say we want to keep the flexi-time we've had for years. Naturally, you sign a new contract or you're deemed to have resigned. Getting back to the SMMT figures, the sales in December are about 7% of overall 2024 sales. Tesla crammed 17% of their sales into December, a pattern they've been following for years of packing sales into slow months just to get into the top 10 sellers list.
Barry, can you get the numbers for ICE sales, month on month to show they stopped registering them during December please and compare to previous years. Then we can use them to ram up you know who!
In Norway, they have understood what electric cars are good for.Authorities are dissuading people living in rural and sparsely populated areas from getting electric cars.
I commend your blog, giving the true facts about owning an EV. I won't be buying one. I'm not sure about hybrid's either. So my next vehicle will be a Euro6 diesel powered 4x4 probably. 👍😅
I like this chap very knowledgeable and knows his stuff wen it comes ro motors and the market two of my favs u done were a 15 and 16 both in black my fav model and spec which was the toypta hilux mrk 7 icon 2.5 litre and the test u done was excellent. Im atill looking for one and there gettng harder to find in the lecel of condition i like but im sure i will as there just 9 to 10 yrs old right now so still newish and good o es around that do e very little and were well minded over the last decade but just need to keep looking. Btw mate fantastic vid exceptional channell keep these coming my man 👌 👍
Happy new year Barrie... You mentioned the true maket demand for private buyers is 12% ish,sound about right. The average private buyer's age is around 55 in the UK so its going to be an uphill battle as the older you get the more resistant to change you become. And I've just looked at the pre registered cars on Autotrader again ,15k car's with engines and 4k Bev's. The Bev's are all parked up and unsold but the other are doing what?..... It's just confirmation bias content that someone could say the exact opposite and show the stuff you did but against ice. I think you better than this personally and if you think the car industry is the worst treated you should take a deeper dive into British agriculture
So there was a "massive 31% market share in december" for EVs. But overall sales were lower than in december 2023. And much of those fleet sales are 'sold' to the manufacturer. And then the other clown states that "used BEV bargains are the biggest news". In other words the fact that those companies are trying to dump these EVs that nobody wanted to buy off them as new cars as used cars is a good thing. Despite the fact that the car industry is bleeding billions to make that happen. ICE car sales were lower in december so on the flipside there was also less sales where the car industry can earn some money. Soon the government will blame the car industry when they start to close down factories.
The MacMaster put out a video about Motability pushing EVs! More need to speak out about the disabled being forced into unsafe vehicles! Unmanned charging stations in the middle of nowhere! That makes sense doesn't it! Not!
Watch the typical Blue Badge holder hobbling around their car in the supermarket disabled parking bay - they'll never be able to maneuver a heavy public electric charging cable... no way. Scandalous.
They don't have a choice: if they don't pre register, the apparent sales number falls down for several months as the registration of ICE will explode as they delayed end of last year which is bad PR for the government's mandate.
What the statistics don't tell you is within 6 months, half those EV's will be up for sale, as owners find out they can't handle the increased Insurance costs, and public charging costs, and spending half their driving time worrying about range anxiety
@hugheffo Over 90% of EV owners say there next car will be an EV. This is a study that has been done numerous times with similar results. Of course Barrie and others say they "don't believe it"... well time will tell.
@@seannewman539190% of what, that’s meaningless. I remember being told by the police that burglaries had gone up 100% in a week in our street, all the old grannies were scared to death, turns out that of 100 houses, the first week there had been one burglary, the second week, two burglaries, a rise of 100%, 98 properties HADN’T been burgled, so unless you have figures your 90% means nothing…
If they were actually giving them away, I'd take one, I wouldn't buy one even if they were on par with petrol vehicles, because of battery degradation. Evs should come without a battery and a space for a universal pack, which is rapidly automatically changeable within minutes in a drive through system, batteries should primarily be charged in racks, not in cars.
Do you have a view on 'salary sacrifice' now being used to lease 2nd hand EV's ( Octopus scheme and ' Electric Car scheme' ) ? In effect your employer leases the car and deducts from your gross salary - so effectively tax free benefit if EV . Taxpayer now subsidising 2nd hand car sales as well as new .
@@Tl-rs1dv i am an affiliate, I believe it is financially beneficial, however I am as disappointed as it’s possible to be with Octopus, I’ve contacted them 5 times now, and they haven’t come back to me, yet they have the audacity to tell the motortrade how to sell EVs, what a joke
@BarrieCrampton Expect octopus have a queue of dealers trying to off load ... Ovs comes down to lease charge per month and depreciation will affect that , checked out the 'electric car scheme' website , not cheap unless saving the tax
I see they’ve now scrapped the heat pump mandate, originally EVERYONE had to have one, then they changed it to new builds only, now they’ve scrapped it all together. They know it’s cobblers, EVs will be next…
@JoeMac-ed6gg Unlucky, they normally have a 3 year warranty, but I extended mine to 6. As with all high cost items its worth considering methods to mitigate faults/wear and tear. I thinks its still cheaper to run an EV with such unforeseen costs.
Record EV market share but weak private demand. Doesn't that tell you something in itself. Also would question whether the lease companies bulk buying that many EV's?
@simplyr62 Yes many EVs on on the road via leasing and salary sacrifice because its cheaper. I would argue many more EVs would be sold privately if those cheaper options were not available.
@@seannewman5391 Hmm To be honest I would have though fewer would likely be sold if less affordable options were available. If I could afford one I would get one, but for me at the moment they do not make financial sense.
@@simplyr62 Overall perhaps less yes, but I meant more pricvtely. Just a thought on availability. I bought a 2nd hand EV when I was doing about 80miles a day most days. I used a personal loan and the fuel savings more that offset the extra size of the payments over the loan I would have needed for an ICE car. So for the 3 years I was paying the loan I was about £50 a month better off, but when the loan finished I was £150 a month better off. Obviously you need to factor in depreciation, but ICE v EV is not always as bad a we are told. I paid 7.5k for a Nissan Leaf and sold it 5 years later for 5k.
@@seannewman5391 Yep I know how that could work, looked at a leaf myself but just couldn’t make it work for me even with home charging. Range would be a daily issue. Especially in the summer when we do a lot more traveling over longer distances. Everyone to their own I guess 🙂
Again we see inflammatory language to make the reports seem larger than they actually are. Words like "surge" and "record" etc. Yes the amount has gone up so technically it is a record amount BUT the actual figures are low. Barrie a simple check on these cars for sale using the AskMid insurance site would immediately tell if the car is legally on the road? Most are too new for MOT records so you can't tell who owns them especially with the trade yellow slip unless as a dealer you could find out more eg owners etc?? I saw a piece from Quentin Wilson admitting that when it came to private sales they were not getting accurately recorded because of PCP and other incentives so he was calling on the SMMT to alter the way the stats were compiled. Overall sales of cars have decreased and petrol/diesel are down but the percentages have not been picked up on ev sales??
I read a story a few days ago, sadly I have forgotten the source. Someone claimed to have seen a car transporter carrying British registered Mustang Mach-Es. I remember these were not in near European countries, sorry for the vagueness but it did suggest that cars have been registered here in the UK and then exported.
Barrie, do you think registrations of ev's and pre registrations will change dramatically once VED and luxury car tax has to be paid come April '25? Thanks for the channel.
The fact that battery life will eventually disappear will put many off taking the plunge. The cost of replacing a battery will exceed the value of the vehicle. I compare them to mobile phones.
We were hours away from the rationing plan in November when it was never-ending overcast and slack wind conditions - and the temperatures were mild! Have backup heating, cooking and lighting to the mains electricity.
The registrations for Dec show 2 tesla models at 1 and 2. They will all be parked up somewhere... Barrie keep an eye on Teslas being sold as 1 mile 2024-74 in the coming months 😂
There is a YT video showing a 300 metre line of EVs waiting to charge at a supercharger station in Sweden (alpine holiday destination) during -17c conditions. Welcome to your holiday future.
If garages are preregistering cars, they should be advertised as second hand. And should be priced accordingly. It's another con to try and force us into EV ownership. 😮
@@seannewman5391It has always happened as dealers get huge bonuses (and profits) for meeting “sales” targets. The Ford main dealer I worked at 50 years ago was doing it then, every month, quarterly and annually as bonuses accumulated. The difference is that they could sell the pre registered cars easily enough. Now, dealers have to meet EV sales by law, not to make money, because they are actually losing their ****, so they have no choice but to pre register, then they stick around like a Nasty smell and remain in fields for a year or much more, never having had an actual owner. Does not make sense from any standpoint.
Another great TRUTHFUL presentation - but guess what? people like Andy & Colin etc, don't like the truth, they fight it and fight it!!! My back round is the bar, restaurant, pub, club trade (ALL FREE HOUSES), over 25 years experience owning and running, you can always tell by IDIOTS opinions that they've never managed P&L accounts and budgeting. Just a quick one here which most will understand, I used to get given free stock by the brewery as a reward for buying targets. So we'd have a select party night in a venue by invite where drinks would be free or cost next to nothing, if i sent out 200 invites, how many do you think would attend coz the drinks were free or subsidised - you got it 200 plus a mate or 2, you can here them - come on it's free!! I still had to pay the staffs wages and the entertainment - but it's a one off so you can swallow that. If i proceeded with that businesss model how long would i stay open? Let me tell you after horses and boats the licensed trade is a really fast way to lose a shit ton of money. In Andy & Colin's world that's irrelevant, just keep funding it - lose the money, it doesn't matter - They've never run a business OR if they have why have they forgotten the basic core principles - You can't sell something lower than it's cost OR, if you have no demand OR, guess what? -You go out of business - It's called a business model - I'm with you Barrie - seen it all, heard it all - They are all just STUPID!!!😕 The motor trade right now is sleepwalking ITSELF into oblivion - why can't they see it? Sorry for the rant but i know you'll get it!!!! Keep fighting the good fight Barrie🤪😜🤣
@@Andy-e8n7g yeah I know sorry, I'm just staggered at the apparent basic lack of business knowledge of some people that want to try and influence people (Colin & co) people are cleverer than they think.
So the Mailonline-money report states test show that 40% of EV range is lost in winter. That's like an ICE driver finding that the price on the pumps for diesel or petrol has been increased by 40% just because it's cold.
@@Andy-e8n7g You obviously haven't read the actual report that Mailonline is parratting from. First off, as an aside, you will naturally get less out of a battery in winter than you put in purely because the electrolyte is thicker and creates more internal resistance (that's a fact and one that most evangelists prefer look the other on). But! It's this report's 40% less in a real life test that's the shocker. They charged all the various makes of cars to 100% next morning they made sure that they had a full 100% of predicted range. (because you'll normally loose 2% overnight) which is of course like having a very slow fuel leak on an ICE car. Then they set off on a test track. They needed things like heaters (in moderation) lights wipers etc. 'cos it was winter, just the usual things ICE drivers take for granted. They also discovered that the vehicles were doing less miles per Kwh than they would do in warm conditions and ended up with 40% less distance covered than was supposed to be available at the start. They drove the cars until they died which you couldn't do on a public road. Couple 40% less range with the 80% max charge and recharge ASAP after 20% rule to preserve battery and you have a very real problem in winter as many long distance EV drivers have discovered. So for me that says they not only lost 40% of range but also lost 40% of the £££ fuel (electricity) they put in, in relation to expected range against cost.
"the car industry agreed..." sounds like a lie by Andy Palmer. I don't think the car industry had any choice at all. Do as you're told or get fined into oblivion is basically
If only the owners of EVs kept checking every day, how much the prices of new EVs are dropping and consider how many hours they have to work to cover the cost of their depreciating EV! Want to change every three years? Better get a promotion quick!
@@skylershank9309 I know! 10%! That's a colossal amount isn't it? Well worth doing. Of course decarbonisation of road transport is only part of the story. Decarbonisation of other forms of transport and industry as a whole is a massive but worthwhile task.
@seannewman5391 it takes 8 - 10 years of driving to offset the carbon emissions of producing a battery for an EV. Batteries still have chemical reactions when discarded. Let alone the toxic impact on people and the environment by lithium mining.
@@skylershank9309 can you provide a source for your 8-10 year estimate? When i google it, most souces say much less, some less than 12 months. EV batteries are not discarded, they have 2nd lives at static batteries or are recycled. Most are 90% recyclable. Lithium is 100% recyclable. I've see this at the recycling plant in Wolverhampton.
This is the year that at least one major car manufacturer goes bankrupt. My bet is it’ll be VAG. They’ve breached their banking covenants through political action by governments in several of their largest markets. I see nothing they can do now. They’re bleeding out.
Follow the money... Who benefited most by the move to ev cars, who planted the environmental bull in people's minds, who makes the most cars now that all the European makers are dieing..... Smells of chop suey to me
@cedhome7945 Environmental bull? Thank goodness you spotted it! I was worried about all those people living below the poverty line in far flung countries who are going to suffer the effects of climate change. I'm so glad that those thousands of climate scientists who have dedicated their lives to research are all mistaken. Every last one of them. Amazing thanks so much. Lifesaver.
@@seannewman5391Yeah, those poor scientists who have dedicated their lives to taking all that money just to supply the data they were told to put out. You do have to feel for them.
@mellarner8253 do you have any evidence for your comment? Mine is backed up my thousands of science papers, all of which are peer reviewed. Are you suggesting the whole world of scientists are in cahoots? Maybe you know something? All good fun.
Lol, 'sales' of EV's in 2024 were less than 2020 and that's with all the extra incentives AND the prices diving. You couldn't make it up! When I see that guy's face on his EV YT show advert (Kryten in Red Dwarf), with his sickly exited smile, I get visions of Bungle from Rainbow! Not good!
53p loss per litre in 2030, I'm gonna guess they will tax EV's to the Hilt raising much more than the 53p they lost, the EV owners will shite its trousers when that comes around, but its coming for sure.
My cousin brought an Audi 8 electric and he is sick and tired of it he said he has to keep one eye on road and one eye on battery level you put heating on you are frightened to death he won't get to his charging point he cannot wait to get rid of it it's causing him to much stress
The bigger the bubble of this stupidity gets, the bigger the bang will be when it all goes pop. If you're in the motor trade and you're the sole wage earner in your household, get out now. Don't try to ride it out, because you can't. Think MG Rover, and times it by a factor of one hundred thousand.
The 23.3 %BEV sales forecast was made by another complete tosser, maybe your bosses son, lol. You are so right about sales targets, the new sales people haven't a clue, they work their asses off hoping to reach the Unattainable, eventually everyone figures it out, anything to make the Boss wealthier.
A BRAND NEW EV FOR £12500,Dacia Spring.Whos going to buy this rubbish with a range of 60 miles if you are lucky..EVs are throw away items now,along with mobile phones,tablets,TVs ect.🤣
@BarrieCrampton Can you tell us how many EVs are preregistered and how many ICE cars are preregistered? By the way the ZEV mandate IS working. The "natural" level of demand (if you could actually work it out) is irrelevant. The goal is to get more EVs on the road. You CANNOT argue that is not happening. We live in a democratic and civilised society. When government policy affects markets, there usually winners and losers. I have no doubt you are being adversely affected. I sympathise, but this is the world we live in. EVs are less convenient than ICE in some ways, but again that is irrelevant. Decarbonisation of transport and industry, rightly or wrongly is the goal. "Experts" within the car industry might have some interesting points to make and very worthwhile insights, but the goal which is a scientifically justified and politically mandated, has been dictated by something outside of, and far more important than the car industry. As I've said before, your opinion and many of those expressed on your channel are a tad myopic. Look at the big picture, you know what I'm talking about. Everything changes and sometimes in ways you don't like.
Another day and another day of driving past every EV on the motorway as they are stuck in the "slow lane" at 55mph preserving their limited range ...its all rather sad really.
Why are you feeling the need to affiliate yourself with Octopus Energy? Octopus Energy are one of the players helping manipulate the EV market, by allowing people with an EV to have electricity well below the cost of generation and distribution, so effectively subsidised by other consumers. Similar, you are affiliating with an energy supplier that allows people to have electricity more cheaply for charging an EV, than others do to keep their homes warm. You appear to have a conflicted position, and would appear little better than those you speak out against! The irony!
I’m neutral, no agenda, I can’t charge an EV at home but have Octopus Energy electric supply which is cheapest by far, so that’s why, it can save you money no matter what you drive, and save you another £50 my mission in life at the moment is to correct the misinformation that the usual suspects keep dishing out, it is now my full time job but I’m not funded by the EU or some Company with an agenda, just myself, so there’s no irony, only what you make of it
@@BarrieCrampton when Octopus is allowing people with an EV to have electricity more cheaply than people without an EV, such as people trying to keep their home warm, that is a business I wouldn't wish to be associated or affiliated with, and promoting, because Octopus is part of the problem. My conclusion is that your position is compromised and contradictory.
Brilliant Barrie. Thank goodness for your no BS approach. 🤣
With the Superb Education about EV's we are getting from Barrie its got to make you think and realise how powerful Govt and media are in shaping other things in our life, these are things that benefit companies and Govt, but whats really in it for us?, from here on out we need to question everything that's pushed on us, Everything, nobody is looking out for us so it really is our job to do it.
It's time for Reform.
@@freeforester1717 Not sure about that T.B.H., I don't touch politics as I believe they are all bent and will take money for favours. we all need some Honesty for the better of the UK.
@@rbnhd1144how ya gonna do that then if you don’t trust any parties/politicians?
Barrie these total idiots are only kidding themselves! Keep the honesty coming out my friend
EV Carnage has released a video about the cheapest new EV on the market the Dacia Spring, a rebadged Dong feng £16,000, he found out it’s advertised on Arnold Clark’s website being offered at £12,500. Already discounted by £3,500 before you can even buy one. Madness.
Saw that too. Messed with the car configuration option on their website. Mileage calculation shite...
I'm not paying for anything with a Dong connection.
Keep educating Barrie.
Will do
Petrol down 4%, diesel down 13% and ev's up 31% in December.......the answer is simple.....
Dealers are withholding sales of ice cars and pre registering ev's to meet net zero ev mandate......they can release the restriction of ice car sales for a while but they will have a load of unsold ev's going into the next year, this situation will become worse as the year goes forward with a larger proportion of ev's will need to be fidposed of with an even larger quota for the year to meet the mandate.....its going yo get very messy..
Just wait for the January figures that will be released in February. All of the ICE buyers will be picking up the cars that they ordered last year but couldn't be released.
@alfiedodah9799 The EV mandate is there for a reason and its working. You may not agree or like it, but never the less, the powers that be with all of the over arching knowledge and data, have decided its required.
By the way the whole pre registering of EVs thing is a red herring. An equivalent percentage of ICE cars are pre registered too! haha look it up.
Government slave.
@@seannewman5391yeah but only fools are buying EVs 😂😂😂
Not if you're an economic expert like Gordon Brown. You sell all your gold at rock bottom prices
I was going to say that but then I thought erm politics, but glad you got the gist 😂
Like Gordon Brown you advertise the sale of gold , the price crashes, then you sell.
@@leaulife569He was so obviously instructed to do that by the those who benefited from the bargain prices.
Yes announce you are going to sell first, so you drive the price down, then sell.
That ensures you get the lowest price.
Gordon Brown advertised the sale of half our gold to get the price back down to bail out one of the big US bullion banks as they were massively short gold and facing bankrupcy.
I reckoned it up a few weeks ago and the loss on that physical gold is now around $27 billion and he gets a knighthood for it. That's freemasons for you.
Andy Palmer has moved around the auto industry a lot. These chancers get promoted way over their ability and stick out a job for as long as they can get away with and then move on to another. When they have reached the top then other companies automatically think they are top notch and they can easily get a ceo position elsewhere. I work in the auto industry in design and I see it happen all the time. Who is there above a ceo in a company to scrutinise a person's ability to do the job well? No one. Then because the ceo is usually incompetent they hire department heads who are also useless because the ceo knows absolutely nothing about what they do, and so it goes on ad infinitum, in all companies, year after year. Tragic.
That job traditionally falls to the Chairperson of a company. Also, the Board can effectively dismiss a CEO by tabling a vote of no confidence in their leadership.
In practice, all those people are bribed to do whatever their sponsors wish, even to run the corporation into the ground.
Very dark times Barrie, the government need to stop the Z.E.V mandate and lift the 2030 combustion engine ban and let the market decide. Let the customer have a fair choice. Last time I checked, choice is one of the basic foundation of human rights.
You'll own nothing and you will be happy: Agenda 2030.
We would all benefit from a decision like that, the gloom would be over and people would make better choices no matter what they choose to buy.
Never happen ! You need to ask 'why' ? Maybe go down that 'rabbit hole' ? The days of "conspiracy" are over , it's CBDC , food controls , and elites pushing agendas !
💯 correct thanks 🎉😊
EVs are flying off the shelf! Due to the extra weight, the shelf has collapsed!
EVs are such a good buy, Hertz bought into them and... Oh yes, they are doing everything they can to get out of them!
When somebody hires an EV from hertz - along with their normal paperwork they get a leaflet offering them the chance to buy the EV at a good price...
Exactly! At such a good price it affects the secondhand values of all other EVs. Wonder what kind of language Hertz would use if an EV manufacturer was to give them a call?
Chuckled at the figures. Apparently the proportion of Dec 2024 sales was record 31% was below the Dec 2022 percentage 😂
Anyway if they're at 31% and they're not fiddling the figures by pre-registration then they won't need any of their so-called "incentives" as they'll be naturally above the 28% 😂
They are real clowns
if there's no combustion, there's no sale
EVs have spontaneous combustion.
never understood the default of manufacturers to build 2 ton sheds when the whole range anxiety issue with EVs says lightweight slippery is the way to go (model 3)
Be interesting to see January and February figures to see if ev sales are still going up
Jan will be hilarious as people take delivery of their dealer-delayed ice cars
I don't know the motor trade but if dealers are holding loads of stock in the hope of strengthening demand/prices, surely they're playing a dangerous game. They can't keep mopping up cars that won't sell?
It’s the manufacturers pre registering en masse
Those WWII airfields now car parking.
I'll tell you a story from the late 90s Baz - I worked at a computer manufacturer in the run-up to Christmas and us sales guys were selling computer systems faster than Purchasing could keep up with. There was a CPU shortage (or a shortage at the purchasing pricepoint) so the plan was to build the computers except for the processor brain, pile them up in a corner of the factory and put the CPUs in at the last minute when they arrived. However nobody informed the warehouse manager, who mistakenly sent out these computers. January was spent dealing with hordes of angry customers who had a dead computer as a Christmas present.
Could these stockpiled cars in fields and on airfields be without their most expensive parts - their batteries, which would be fitted IF they get sold?? Have you spoken to anyone who has purchased one of these airfield EVs, did they then have a suspiciously long wait to get their hands on it? What was the process? Would be interesting to find out!
I may have missed something... The vast number of ice cars that were held over until new year (to favourably skew EV sales) will now skew this year's EV percentages, but adversely. I can't wait to hear from the "experts" that will need to be creative in how they report 2025 sales. When will we learn how it's going NOW?? I'm not expecting a growth in EV demand. I haven't found one person (in those I've talked to ) that will consider buying an EV.
Haha, the irony of having an AutoTrader ad pop up in the middle of your video!
Keep up the good work.
Keep nipping at their ankles, Barrie. They're not fooling anyone but themselves.
Perhaps the idea is to destroy the motor sales industry too? They certainly seem to be going about it that way.
Worse: the end game is to bankrupt the large capacity automotive manufacturers, starting with VAG.
Net debt (3Q2024) was €240 billion. Second most indebted corporation in the world.
Which bank is going to extend their overdraft this year?
That's the exact plan.
Ed Minibrain would like nothing more than to destroy the motor manufactures in the UK.
You can see why the Economy is doing so badly they just keep on lying and not facing the real problems...
They're following orders from their wall kissing masters.
Agenda 2030 and their Satanic New World Order.
More work on deployment of chargers ???
70,000 EV public chargers
8,300 petrol stations - say 8 pumps on average per station = 66,400 pumps
But heck say there is the same amount of public refuelling points for EV's as ICE vehicles
41.4m vehicles registered on UK roads
1.4 are EV's which leaves 40m or 30x more "other" vehicles (mostly ICE - minus some hybrids, lpg etc...)
So there is 1 public charge point per 20 EV's
Vs 1 fuel pump per 570 "other" vehicle type
(Even if you remove Hybrid/LPG & take it down to say 1 pump per 500 ICE vehicles)
So EV's have 1 public refuelling point to 20 EV's
against 1 pump for 500 ICE vehicles
But yeah they claim they need better charging infrastructure ???
How many more charge points do you think we need ???
Yet this isn't including that most privately owned EV's have their own means to charge at home,
either by a home wall charger or a 3 pin granny charger
Which the estimates places home/work chargers at around 930,000 or 1m in private + public charging
So there is 1m EV charge points (private + public) for less than 1.5m EV's
(again 1 pump per 500+ ICE vehicles)
Again: Just how many more EV charge points are needed & still fail to hit the 22% ZEV figure ???
And you've forgotten to say HOW the electricity will be produced if we're ALL EV ? Absolutely LUDICROUS ! Net 0 , the 2nd biggest SCAM after the fake sickness scam !
I looked at chargers in my area which is mid wales and my opinion is very poor as there are very few fast chargers who on a trip would want to charge at 7kw even 25kw is slow and at 79p for a slow charge is not the future
Yeah but though there are fewer pumps per ICE compared to EV chargers, how many ICE cars can you get through a petrol station while one EV sits for ages being charged?
@leecromer3289 EV public charger ratio 20:1
ICE pump ratio 500:1
So there is 25x difference in the ratios of vehicle to charging/refuelling
or to put it another way...
A fast EV charger at 50kWh - not talking about 100kWh or 150kWh or even faster chargers that are being installed, just a modestly 50kWh fast charger - we are told it can recharge an EV to 80% in 45 minutes but let's say 50 mins for ease of maths to recharge an EV to 80% (after that the charging rate slows)
So 50 mins to charge an EV to 80% - so assuming say a 50 to 60kW battery
(charging from say 10% to 80% = 70% of said 60kW = 35 to 42kW charge req in 50mins)
(even less on a 100kWh, 150kWh)
Do you think you could refill 25 ICE cars in the same 50 minutes ???
That's a refuelling pit stop in 2 minutes - hmmm I doubt it, but let's assume the ICE owners work on the Red Bull F1 team pulling out all the stops & complete the whole process including paying/transaction in 120 seconds or less
Ah but not all public chargers are fast chargers - yes true
but the vast majority of recently installed chargers
(and they've been really busy bashing these out in last 12/18 months)
are 50kWh or more
Most commercial chargers will be 3-phase 22kWh at least, but I was talking about public chargers reaching parity to ICE fuel pumps - yet the ratio is 20:1 vs 500:1 with ICE pumps
Plus the vast majority of private EV owners will tend to charge from home mostly, often only using public chargers when the are desperate...
So the 20 EV to 1 charger is even less - way less than 20:1
If private EV owners only use a public charger say 10% or 1 in 10 recharges
that alters the the ratio to 2 EV's seeking to recharge on public chargers
But even altering the 20:1 to half of that 10:1...
That would mean you need to try to refuel 50 - FIFTY ICE vehicles in the 50 min time slot
Now all these figures are getting out of hand perhaps...
BUT above all else the point I'm making - and I am an EV owner myself...
The public charging network has already reached parity with fuel pumps
yet the ratio of 20:1 vs 500:1 ICE also balances out roughly speaking
or how many EV's or ICE vehicles can go through that charger/pump in 24 hours etc...
Most of us can/do charge at home but ICE vehicles are bound to visiting a refuelling station to share with another 499 ICE vehicles
@@authuruksake969 wow, impressive! However looking at it from a real world perspective, yes you are probably correct in your calculations, but what happens if there were the same number of EVs on the road as ICE cars? The time it takes to pull up, fill up and drive off, even if an average of five minutes, there will have to be a massive increase of public chargers to accommodate a similar throughput of EVs. Bearing in mind the national grid nearly collapsed in November and consumption increases during commercial breaks, I honestly don’t think the grid will be in a position to cope with a bigger charging infrastructure for a long time yet. It’s ok saying a lot of people charge from home and that’s fine if you’re toddling to the shops, but on longer journeys public chargers will be essential for most. Thinking about it, and I don’t think you may have considered this in your calculations, if you have twenty chargers and are all occupied for 50 minutes, can you imagine, even with an average fill time of five minutes, how many ICE cars could flow through a filling station in fifty minutes that has twenty pumps? That would be ten cars per pump, that would be 200 ICE cars per fifty minutes, not 20 EVs, and I should imagine that for all but the longest journeys an ICE car could fill its tank and do a return journey without refuelling which would require maybe one or two stops to recharge for an EV which brings us back to the through put problem…honestly I’m not convinced…
We’ll done Barrie thanks again for illustrating the problems with EVs by passing the B S
30% yea, that's probably right... but they have been registered and are sitting.
UNSOLD in some field somewhere..😅
And for deisels and petrol vehicles
They are in the same fields, but
Unregistered...JUST TO MANIPULATE
THE FIGURES...your spot on Barry keep up the good work 👏 👏👏
I worked at a company that decided to abandon flexi-time and gave us a choice of three variations of set hours. Then they used the argument that the selected set hours were what the employees voted for, except there was no option to say we want to keep the flexi-time we've had for years. Naturally, you sign a new contract or you're deemed to have resigned. Getting back to the SMMT figures, the sales in December are about 7% of overall 2024 sales. Tesla crammed 17% of their sales into December, a pattern they've been following for years of packing sales into slow months just to get into the top 10 sellers list.
Barry, can you get the numbers for ICE sales, month on month to show they stopped registering them during December please and compare to previous years. Then we can use them to ram up you know who!
In Norway, they have understood what electric cars are good for.Authorities are dissuading people living in rural and sparsely populated areas from getting electric cars.
I love how they are selling jaG I-paces with jaG approved warranty, Good Luck with that. I see Ben Dover is the warranty contact person.
😂
Why do I keep hearing myself saying the same as I did back in March 2020? It's all Bollocks!
I wonder if Collin Walker flew somewhere sunny over Christmas. If so, how much pollution did he emit doing that ?
I commend your blog, giving the true facts about owning an EV. I won't be buying one. I'm not sure about hybrid's either. So my next vehicle will be a Euro6 diesel powered 4x4 probably. 👍😅
I like this chap very knowledgeable and knows his stuff wen it comes ro motors and the market two of my favs u done were a 15 and 16 both in black my fav model and spec which was the toypta hilux mrk 7 icon 2.5 litre and the test u done was excellent. Im atill looking for one and there gettng harder to find in the lecel of condition i like but im sure i will as there just 9 to 10 yrs old right now so still newish and good o es around that do e very little and were well minded over the last decade but just need to keep looking. Btw mate fantastic vid exceptional channell keep these coming my man 👌 👍
Happy new year Barrie...
You mentioned the true maket demand for private buyers is 12% ish,sound about right. The average private buyer's age is around 55 in the UK so its going to be an uphill battle as the older you get the more resistant to change you become.
And I've just looked at the pre registered cars on Autotrader again ,15k car's with engines and 4k Bev's. The Bev's are all parked up and unsold but the other are doing what?.....
It's just confirmation bias content that someone could say the exact opposite and show the stuff you did but against ice. I think you better than this personally and if you think the car industry is the worst treated you should take a deeper dive into British agriculture
GeorgeCarlyn sums up the EV salesmen very well! Full of Bull sh t!
So there was a "massive 31% market share in december" for EVs. But overall sales were lower than in december 2023. And much of those fleet sales are 'sold' to the manufacturer. And then the other clown states that "used BEV bargains are the biggest news". In other words the fact that those companies are trying to dump these EVs that nobody wanted to buy off them as new cars as used cars is a good thing. Despite the fact that the car industry is bleeding billions to make that happen. ICE car sales were lower in december so on the flipside there was also less sales where the car industry can earn some money. Soon the government will blame the car industry when they start to close down factories.
Only Gordon Brown sells gold at the bottom.
isnt odd though that the market share overall still is petrol at 42% from 53% and is still the vehicle that the public want
Car industry didn't agree they were bullied.
As usual
The MacMaster put out a video about Motability pushing EVs! More need to speak out about the disabled being forced into unsafe vehicles! Unmanned charging stations in the middle of nowhere! That makes sense doesn't it! Not!
Watch the typical Blue Badge holder hobbling around their car in the supermarket disabled parking bay - they'll never be able to maneuver a heavy public electric charging cable... no way. Scandalous.
Thanks I didn't think of that lone Woman too 😯
Vote Reform.
I thought there were supposed be transparency ,integrity ,and honesty 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Can't wait to get my next EV with all these discounts...
They don't have a choice: if they don't pre register, the apparent sales number falls down for several months as the registration of ICE will explode as they delayed end of last year which is bad PR for the government's mandate.
What the statistics don't tell you is within 6 months, half those EV's will be up for sale, as owners find out they can't handle the increased Insurance costs, and public charging costs, and spending half their driving time worrying about range anxiety
Or not.
@hugheffo Over 90% of EV owners say there next car will be an EV. This is a study that has been done numerous times with similar results. Of course Barrie and others say they "don't believe it"... well time will tell.
@@seannewman539190% of what, that’s meaningless. I remember being told by the police that burglaries had gone up 100% in a week in our street, all the old grannies were scared to death, turns out that of 100 houses, the first week there had been one burglary, the second week, two burglaries, a rise of 100%, 98 properties HADN’T been burgled, so unless you have figures your 90% means nothing…
@leecromer3289 There are 1.3 million BEVs on uk roads. So 90% of those. Does that help?
@ seeing as you’re on the ball with stats, how many are private owners, how many fleet?
Get the truth out there Barrie
If they were actually giving them away, I'd take one, I wouldn't buy one even if they were on par with petrol vehicles, because of battery degradation.
Evs should come without a battery and a space for a universal pack, which is rapidly automatically changeable within minutes in a drive through system, batteries should primarily be charged in racks, not in cars.
Do you have a view on 'salary sacrifice' now being used to lease 2nd hand EV's ( Octopus scheme and ' Electric Car scheme' ) ? In effect your employer leases the car and deducts from your gross salary - so effectively tax free benefit if EV . Taxpayer now subsidising 2nd hand car sales as well as new .
@@Tl-rs1dv i am an affiliate, I believe it is financially beneficial, however I am as disappointed as it’s possible to be with Octopus, I’ve contacted them 5 times now, and they haven’t come back to me, yet they have the audacity to tell the motortrade how to sell EVs, what a joke
@BarrieCrampton Expect octopus have a queue of dealers trying to off load ... Ovs comes down to lease charge per month and depreciation will affect that , checked out the 'electric car scheme' website , not cheap unless saving the tax
Octopus 'salary sacrifice' ev scheme - country cant keep OAP's warm but you can get massive tax breaks for EV's and employer saves NI payments by using latest tax avoidance 'salary sacrifice ' scheme From Octopus website :
1. Rolls Royce Spectre
Price: £330,000
Lease (BCH) from: £10,000 pcm
Basic Rate Taxpayer Monthly Salary Sacrifice Cost: £8,000
Higher Rate Taxpayer Monthly Salary Sacrifice Cost: £6,000
I see they’ve now scrapped the heat pump mandate, originally EVERYONE had to have one, then they changed it to new builds only, now they’ve scrapped it all together. They know it’s cobblers, EVs will be next…
Just had my pod point charger fail which I used for 4 year and pod point would like to charge £690.00 to repair 1 more cost to charge your EV
@JoeMac-ed6gg Unlucky, they normally have a 3 year warranty, but I extended mine to 6. As with all high cost items its worth considering methods to mitigate faults/wear and tear.
I thinks its still cheaper to run an EV with such unforeseen costs.
Record EV market share but weak private demand. Doesn't that tell you something in itself. Also would question whether the lease companies bulk buying that many EV's?
@simplyr62 Yes many EVs on on the road via leasing and salary sacrifice because its cheaper. I would argue many more EVs would be sold privately if those cheaper options were not available.
@@seannewman5391 Hmm To be honest I would have though fewer would likely be sold if less affordable options were available. If I could afford one I would get one, but for me at the moment they do not make financial sense.
@@simplyr62 Overall perhaps less yes, but I meant more pricvtely.
Just a thought on availability. I bought a 2nd hand EV when I was doing about 80miles a day most days. I used a personal loan and the fuel savings more that offset the extra size of the payments over the loan I would have needed for an ICE car. So for the 3 years I was paying the loan I was about £50 a month better off, but when the loan finished I was £150 a month better off. Obviously you need to factor in depreciation, but ICE v EV is not always as bad a we are told. I paid 7.5k for a Nissan Leaf and sold it 5 years later for 5k.
@@seannewman5391 Yep I know how that could work, looked at a leaf myself but just couldn’t make it work for me even with home charging. Range would be a daily issue. Especially in the summer when we do a lot more traveling over longer distances. Everyone to their own I guess 🙂
If the manufacturers aren't making money, and the dealerships aren't making money......... sounds like a Soviet economy.
Again we see inflammatory language to make the reports seem larger than they actually are.
Words like "surge" and "record" etc. Yes the amount has gone up so technically it is a record amount BUT the actual figures are low.
Barrie a simple check on these cars for sale using the AskMid insurance site would immediately tell if the car is legally on the road? Most are too new for MOT records so you can't tell who owns them especially with the trade yellow slip unless as a dealer you could find out more eg owners etc??
I saw a piece from Quentin Wilson admitting that when it came to private sales they were not getting accurately recorded because of PCP and other incentives so he was calling on the SMMT to alter the way the stats were compiled.
Overall sales of cars have decreased and petrol/diesel are down but the percentages have not been picked up on ev sales??
How long before we see those ads, missold an EV, call this number you could claim thousands.
Barry, please see if you can get an insurance quote for a Porsche Taycan and if you were to have one, would they insure your home.
I know where you are coming from and Agree.
I read a story a few days ago, sadly I have forgotten the source. Someone claimed to have seen a car transporter carrying British registered Mustang Mach-Es. I remember these were not in near European countries, sorry for the vagueness but it did suggest that cars have been registered here in the UK and then exported.
Barrie, do you think registrations of ev's and pre registrations will change dramatically once VED and luxury car tax has to be paid come April '25? Thanks for the channel.
None of us are clever enough to know the Total Real Actual Truth.
The fact that battery life will eventually disappear will put many off taking the plunge. The cost of replacing a battery will exceed the value of the vehicle. I compare them to mobile phones.
The rate at which my EV battery is losing life suggests it will outlive the car, but every case is different.
Be interesting to see February figures when all those ice cars get registered.
Betind me why manufacturers just saw they wont pay the fines, simple
We are all skint is true answer we can’t buy 100 k cars simple
Thanks Barrie. It looks like 2025 is going to be interesting. Where are they keeping all these cars😂
The national grid can barely support everyone putting the kettle on - during world cup half time.
We were hours away from the rationing plan in November when it was never-ending overcast and slack wind conditions - and the temperatures were mild! Have backup heating, cooking and lighting to the mains electricity.
@Guy-Gibsons-Dogno, they were ready to fire up coal powered generators…
If only we had the figures for airfield storage capacity? What climate damage would be done should an airfield of EVs go up in smoke?
The registrations for Dec show 2 tesla models at 1 and 2. They will all be parked up somewhere... Barrie keep an eye on Teslas being sold as 1 mile 2024-74 in the coming months 😂
There is a YT video showing a 300 metre line of EVs waiting to charge at a supercharger station in Sweden (alpine holiday destination) during -17c conditions. Welcome to your holiday future.
Mguy Australia is the channel. 👍
PS Sweden will have enjoyed you referring to them as 'Alpine'😊
Thanks for the info
If garages are preregistering cars, they should be advertised as second hand. And should be priced accordingly. It's another con to try and force us into EV ownership. 😮
@johnholland6842 preregistering is nothing new. It's been going on for decades and just as many ICE cars as a percentage are preregistered.
@@seannewman5391It has always happened as dealers get huge bonuses (and profits) for meeting “sales” targets. The Ford main dealer I worked at 50 years ago was doing it then, every month, quarterly and annually as bonuses accumulated. The difference is that they could sell the pre registered cars easily enough. Now, dealers have to meet EV sales by law, not to make money, because they are actually losing their ****, so they have no choice but to pre register, then they stick around like a Nasty smell and remain in fields for a year or much more, never having had an actual owner.
Does not make sense from any standpoint.
Thats the way they cook the Books, the scam is falling apart they think we are stupid.
Will there soon be enough unsold EVs to block up all the Bolcanos and stop them emitting CO2?
Another great TRUTHFUL presentation - but guess what? people like Andy & Colin etc, don't like the truth, they fight it and fight it!!!
My back round is the bar, restaurant, pub, club trade (ALL FREE HOUSES), over 25 years experience owning and running, you can always tell by IDIOTS opinions that they've never managed P&L accounts and budgeting.
Just a quick one here which most will understand, I used to get given free stock by the brewery as a reward for buying targets.
So we'd have a select party night in a venue by invite where drinks would be free or cost next to nothing, if i sent out 200 invites, how many do you think would attend coz the drinks were free or subsidised - you got it 200 plus a mate or 2, you can here them - come on it's free!!
I still had to pay the staffs wages and the entertainment - but it's a one off so you can swallow that.
If i proceeded with that businesss model how long would i stay open?
Let me tell you after horses and boats the licensed trade is a really fast way to lose a shit ton of money.
In Andy & Colin's world that's irrelevant, just keep funding it - lose the money, it doesn't matter - They've never run a business OR if they have why have they forgotten the basic core principles - You can't sell something lower than it's cost OR, if you have no demand OR, guess what? -You go out of business - It's called a business model - I'm with you Barrie - seen it all, heard it all -
They are all just STUPID!!!😕
The motor trade right now is sleepwalking ITSELF into oblivion - why can't they see it?
Sorry for the rant but i know you'll get it!!!!
Keep fighting the good fight Barrie🤪😜🤣
You don't half waffle on a bit..
@@Andy-e8n7g yeah I know sorry, I'm just staggered at the apparent basic lack of business knowledge of some people that want to try and influence people (Colin & co) people are cleverer than they think.
@@bobbyaxelrod5016 too true.. ICE will still be around for years to come, while we transition to alternate fuel types.
So the Mailonline-money report states test show that 40% of EV range is lost in winter. That's like an ICE driver finding that the price on the pumps for diesel or petrol has been increased by 40% just because it's cold.
No it doesn't, it just means your available range has dropped..
@@Andy-e8n7gsame difference😂😂😂
@leecromer3289 I know.. the same happens to all cars, but I benefit from better efficiency savings.
@@Andy-e8n7g You obviously haven't read the actual report that Mailonline is parratting from. First off, as an aside, you will naturally get less out of a battery in winter than you put in purely because the electrolyte is thicker and creates more internal resistance (that's a fact and one that most evangelists prefer look the other on). But! It's this report's 40% less in a real life test that's the shocker. They charged all the various makes of cars to 100% next morning they made sure that they had a full 100% of predicted range. (because you'll normally loose 2% overnight) which is of course like having a very slow fuel leak on an ICE car. Then they set off on a test track. They needed things like heaters (in moderation) lights wipers etc. 'cos it was winter, just the usual things ICE drivers take for granted. They also discovered that the vehicles were doing less miles per Kwh than they would do in warm conditions and ended up with 40% less distance covered than was supposed to be available at the start. They drove the cars until they died which you couldn't do on a public road. Couple 40% less range with the 80% max charge and recharge ASAP after 20% rule to preserve battery and you have a very real problem in winter as many long distance EV drivers have discovered. So for me that says they not only lost 40% of range but also lost 40% of the £££ fuel (electricity) they put in, in relation to expected range against cost.
@openminded3763 stay calm.. you don't need to let it bother you as much as it does...
Pretty sure the only people buying are salary sacrifice and fleets
3:18 Gordon Brown will disagree 😂😂😂
"the car industry agreed..." sounds like a lie by Andy Palmer. I don't think the car industry had any choice at all. Do as you're told or get fined into oblivion is basically
I got a pre-reg ID Buzz in Dec, £300 a month … obvs to hit the Govt figures, but a bargain for myself.
Yep I was thinking of getting one too, love them 👍
A Buzz is usually followed by a Sting. Good luck!
@Guy-Gibsons-Dog Well we’ll see, sons had one for a year now and it’s still efficient as ever.
If only the owners of EVs kept checking every day, how much the prices of new EVs are dropping and consider how many hours they have to work to cover the cost of their depreciating EV! Want to change every three years? Better get a promotion quick!
How many firms will fail and jobs be lost before this charade ends?
What are the chances the government will start rationing fossil fuels to discourage driving ICE vehicles?
@skylershank9309 The chances? Zero I would think. Filling stations are closing, demand is reducing.
@seannewman5391 if half the cars in the world were EVs, it would reduce global fossil fuel consumption by 10%
@@skylershank9309 I know! 10%! That's a colossal amount isn't it? Well worth doing. Of course decarbonisation of road transport is only part of the story. Decarbonisation of other forms of transport and industry as a whole is a massive but worthwhile task.
@seannewman5391 it takes 8 - 10 years of driving to offset the carbon emissions of producing a battery for an EV. Batteries still have chemical reactions when discarded. Let alone the toxic impact on people and the environment by lithium mining.
@@skylershank9309 can you provide a source for your 8-10 year estimate?
When i google it, most souces say much less, some less than 12 months.
EV batteries are not discarded, they have 2nd lives at static batteries or are recycled. Most are 90% recyclable. Lithium is 100% recyclable.
I've see this at the recycling plant in Wolverhampton.
This is the year that at least one major car manufacturer goes bankrupt. My bet is it’ll be VAG. They’ve breached their banking covenants through political action by governments in several of their largest markets. I see nothing they can do now. They’re bleeding out.
@GT380man They've been badly managed for decades. Survival of the fittest I say.
A car with 14 miles on the clock cannot have done much "demoing"
There is no such things as too much governance. Really!
Good luck trying to force people into EV's 😂 There are only so many guillable fools out there.
Normal people now know EVs are a con
And about 25 years away from true practical use wn the next generation of technology is reliable
@albanydan5739 Wow thanks for the tip. My EVs have been practical and reliable so I must be an idiot. Don't worry though, no offence taken.
The largesst cost for any car is depreciation and EVs are by far the worst!
Follow the money... Who benefited most by the move to ev cars, who planted the environmental bull in people's minds, who makes the most cars now that all the European makers are dieing..... Smells of chop suey to me
@cedhome7945 Environmental bull? Thank goodness you spotted it! I was worried about all those people living below the poverty line in far flung countries who are going to suffer the effects of climate change. I'm so glad that those thousands of climate scientists who have dedicated their lives to research are all mistaken. Every last one of them. Amazing thanks so much. Lifesaver.
@@seannewman5391Yeah, those poor scientists who have dedicated their lives to taking all that money just to supply the data they were told to put out. You do have to feel for them.
@mellarner8253 do you have any evidence for your comment?
Mine is backed up my thousands of science papers, all of which are peer reviewed. Are you suggesting the whole world of scientists are in cahoots?
Maybe you know something?
All good fun.
Lol, 'sales' of EV's in 2024 were less than 2020 and that's with all the extra incentives AND the prices diving. You couldn't make it up!
When I see that guy's face on his EV YT show advert (Kryten in Red Dwarf), with his sickly exited smile, I get visions of Bungle from Rainbow! Not good!
53p loss per litre in 2030, I'm gonna guess they will tax EV's to the Hilt raising much more than the 53p they lost, the EV owners will shite its trousers when that comes around, but its coming for sure.
My cousin brought an Audi 8 electric and he is sick and tired of it he said he has to keep one eye on road and one eye on battery level you put heating on you are frightened to death he won't get to his charging point he cannot wait to get rid of it it's causing him to much stress
The bigger the bubble of this stupidity gets, the bigger the bang will be when it all goes pop. If you're in the motor trade and you're the sole wage earner in your household, get out now. Don't try to ride it out, because you can't. Think MG Rover, and times it by a factor of one hundred thousand.
I remember when it was found out 38,000 vehicles many on Bruntingthorpe Airfield "1" mile 4 deep Rover had been acumulating !!.
Next tim Barrie, nearer the 🎤 please mate, struggling to hear your content.
Honestly it’s perfect on all my devices
The 23.3 %BEV sales forecast was made by another complete tosser, maybe your bosses son, lol. You are so right about sales targets, the new sales people haven't a clue, they work their asses off hoping to reach the Unattainable, eventually everyone figures it out, anything to make the Boss wealthier.
Soon you'll be able to copy Jesus and walk across water! Because they'll be hiding unsold EVs in lakes!
A BRAND NEW EV FOR £12500,Dacia Spring.Whos going to buy this rubbish with a range of 60 miles if you are lucky..EVs are throw away items now,along with mobile phones,tablets,TVs ect.🤣
EV-ery one knows not to buy an EV!
1 in 5 cars sold in 2024 were battery electric, me smells a Big Smelly Rat.
Doctor Andy Palmer.
Sorry why is a car administrative officer and CEO calling himself a Doctor?
Does he have an ego problem?
Did he not get some "Honor Dr." From some WOKE UNERVERSTY fof talking a load of shit before he was got rid of from Aston Martin.
@BarrieCrampton Can you tell us how many EVs are preregistered and how many ICE cars are preregistered?
By the way the ZEV mandate IS working. The "natural" level of demand (if you could actually work it out) is irrelevant. The goal is to get more EVs on the road. You CANNOT argue that is not happening. We live in a democratic and civilised society. When government policy affects markets, there usually winners and losers. I have no doubt you are being adversely affected. I sympathise, but this is the world we live in.
EVs are less convenient than ICE in some ways, but again that is irrelevant. Decarbonisation of transport and industry, rightly or wrongly is the goal. "Experts" within the car industry might have some interesting points to make and very worthwhile insights, but the goal which is a scientifically justified and politically mandated, has been dictated by something outside of, and far more important than the car industry. As I've said before, your opinion and many of those expressed on your channel are a tad myopic. Look at the big picture, you know what I'm talking about.
Everything changes and sometimes in ways you don't like.
Another day and another day of driving past every EV on the motorway as they are stuck in the "slow lane" at 55mph preserving their limited range ...its all rather sad really.
Why are you feeling the need to affiliate yourself with Octopus Energy?
Octopus Energy are one of the players helping manipulate the EV market, by allowing people with an EV to have electricity well below the cost of generation and distribution, so effectively subsidised by other consumers.
Similar, you are affiliating with an energy supplier that allows people to have electricity more cheaply for charging an EV, than others do to keep their homes warm.
You appear to have a conflicted position, and would appear little better than those you speak out against!
The irony!
I’m neutral, no agenda, I can’t charge an EV at home but have Octopus Energy electric supply which is cheapest by far, so that’s why, it can save you money no matter what you drive, and save you another £50 my mission in life at the moment is to correct the misinformation that the usual suspects keep dishing out, it is now my full time job but I’m not funded by the EU or some Company with an agenda, just myself, so there’s no irony, only what you make of it
@@BarrieCrampton when Octopus is allowing people with an EV to have electricity more cheaply than people without an EV, such as people trying to keep their home warm, that is a business I wouldn't wish to be associated or affiliated with, and promoting, because Octopus is part of the problem.
My conclusion is that your position is compromised and contradictory.