I remember this, as I was in a Catholic grammar school !! In 1962 I was 11 years old .. It was hard to do the changes that we were held to.. Many people refused to accept the change, and left the Catholic Church.. I too went astray, but I never left completely.. I Love my Catholic Faith, and will always be a Catholic .. AMEN !!🙏
Anyone who left the Catholic Church, I can assure you wasn’t because of Vatican II. The real reason is because they really didn’t believe in Jesus and his true presence in the Eucharist. Body blood Soul divinity.
Speaking of Simple vs complex the novus ordo 3 year cycle is way more complex than the traditional Latin Mass which is the same every year. It's interesting because the traditional Latin mass is simple but it's also very rich whereas the novus ordo is complicated very Bland.
Back when I was a child in the 70's and early 80's, historically not too long after Vatican II Council, all of my family members (immediate, cousins and extended family ) were all Catholic. Now since the church have become no different from protestant churches, 70% of the family had left the church. Vatican II has done nothing but damage. When you make the church now different from protestant churches, there is no reason to stay Catholic. For my wife, child and myself, We say that we are born Catholic and we will die Catholic. I wish that there was a more traditional Catholic Church in my area.
What you and I know is that Jesus was, is, and will ever be The King of the Jews. I'm sure in our catechism we learned that you and I belong to His Kingdom, why? You tell me. The Church has taught us both that Salvation is here for all Catholics, besides that, let The Church do her will. In judgement day I know I have no one to blame but myself for not believing with my whole heart and soul that God has come to save me from hell through The Eucharist, The Sacraments, and The Church. Keep doubting, or keep sinning, I will have to answer for myself, my wife, friends, and family.
Yes, indeed! Look to the Society of St. Pius X. Perhaps first read Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre’s Declaration Of November 21st, 1974 - and - see if his words do not strike a supernatural cord within you. God bless you, with my poor prayers.
Un documentario incomparabile. Non c'era ancora la televisione diffusa quando ne sentivamo parlare in chiesa. Bellissimi ricordi. Quelle finestre che si aprivano erano diventate davvero la feritoia dello Spirito Santo. Arrivava una Chiesa della cui immagine sognavamo da tanto. Queste immagini del cortometraggio parlano da sé. Si capisce tutto anche in una lingua poco praticata.
Yes to Ad Orientem! If you are shepherds, and not hirelings, then LEAD US TOWARD CHRIST (really and truly present - body and blood, soul and divinity - in the in the tabernacle that you should be facing on the high altar). Say the Holy Mass Ad Orientem because the prayers of the Mass are addressing GOD, face Him when you offer supplications to Him on behalf of us people.
V2 Modernists: are united in disobedience to the deposit of faith of 2k years and who say that Jesus is no longer necessary for salvation. A.) Jorge Bergoglio and numerous bishops have shown they are not the kind, caring Vatican 2 they made themselves out to be but are collegial towards Germans who disobey the deposit of faith, Bergoglio smiles while bishops ignore teaching on homosexuality, abortion, adultery, etc, while Bergoglio divides the church with his schismatic Pachamama idol blessing. B.) This is a false spirituality, one in which Bergoglio is on a quest to be rigid against rigidity, is collegial with James Martin types and when giving awards to pro-aborts, and towards Germans who disobey the deposit of faith. C.) All the while everyone else gets the Synodal Way while Bergoglio is hypocritically dictatorial with Traditionalists in that he said the bishops are to ensure that groups already celebrating the TLM "do not deny the validity and the legitimacy of the liturgical reform *dictated* by Vatican Council II and the Magisterium of the supreme pontiffs" while every conceivable Novus Ordo mass under the sun is allowed, crazy antics, such as hip hop music and worse during masses taking place. D.) The signatories to Vatican II refused to take an oath against modernism, but now demand allegiance to modernism (we can see its fruit above) - or else! Renewal allegiances at each mass? This isn't conversion through free will but through coercion. And Bergoglio does the finger wag now after allowing or being party to schism himself by bowing before and blessing the naked Pachamama idol when it was brought onto Sacred ground by schismatic idol worshippers. But no doubt schismatic, modernist heretics will be hateful and uncollegial.
Christ our Lord celebrated the first Eucharist at the Last Supper. Why do you assume they were all facing the East? When I am at Mass (yes, Novus Ordo), My heart is lifted to God and my adoration to the Blessed Sacrament, regardless if the priest faces this physical direction or that.
The Vatican 2 documents explained : Without understanding the following you will never be able to understand the documents. I will list here, what the documents consist of, by name and by title. But you will never find the list of these names inside the documents this is deliberate. For the purpose of concealment. But what you will find in every paragraph of every page the “definition” of the terms listed. Therefore the Vatican two documents consist of “definition” only: Without understanding the following you will never be able to understand the documents. I will list here, what the documents consist of, by name and by title. But you will never find the list of these names inside the documents this is deliberate. For the purpose of concealment. But what you will find in every paragraph of every page the “definition” of the terms listed. Therefore the Vatican two documents consist of “definition” only: 1) Indifferentism 2) Syncretism and Synthesis 3) Immanent 4) Transcendentalism 5) Individualism 6) Existentialism, naturalism 7) Stoicism 8) Pantheism 9) Evolution 10) The Sciences such as historian sociology psychology critic… If you look up Saint Pope Pius 10 Encyclical “ Pascendi Dominici Gregis” you will find he new about Vatican 2 and wrote a detailed comprehensive explanation of Vatican 2, listing in detail more than half of the items above listed, and he even explains, in example, how it is meant to diminish Jesus Christ and the one true church and desecrate all seven sacraments and to leave the door open for more of modernism and Progressive changes in the future. He is not alone !!! Pius 10 on the Errors of Modernism, Pius 9 his Syllabus of Errors and Pope Gregory 16 in his Encyclical “Mirari Vos” see #19 on the waldensians,the Beghards,the Wycliffites, and all the popes condemned the documents of Vatican 2 and the Synod of Pistoia and warned the faithful with excommunication, anathema if you don't reject the Vatican two documents, and church, and embrace the one true traditional Catholic Church, the depository of faith, before the end of your life. As you examine these terms and then read the Vatican two documents you can clearly see the “definition” of all the above listed terms, but not the terms themselves, and the evil,and that it is no longer Catholic but a new religion that will lead you straight to hell !!! The Vatican II documents : briefly 1) Christ is united with each man in the Incarnation before Jesus was even born (Gaudium et Spes #22) 2) Protestant religions are a means of salvation and all other denominations. (Unitatis Redintegratio #3) 3) non-catholics made lawfully receive Holy Communion and the sacraments of the church.(Orientalium Ecclesiarum #27) 4) Muslims and Catholics together worship the same God (Lumen Gentium #16) 5) the Catholic church is united with those who don't accept the Catholic faith or the papacy. Lumen Gentium #15) 6) some people above the Age of Reason don't believe in God through no fault of their own. Lumen Gentium #16) 7) and the Buddhism man search the highest illumination. (Nostra Aetate #2) 8) all things on earth should be related to man as their Center and Crown. (Gaudium et Spes #12). Then what are we to do you ask ? If you are a true Traditional Catholic then you are supposed to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do, in these evil times, that she described at Fatima, in the “Third Secret”. Not the fake phony Third Secret that John Paul II falsified and Rewritten, along with the fake Lucia !!! But the real true Third Secret of Fatima. You are also to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do at La Salette, France and again at Our Lady of Good Success, who described in great detail what is to happen to the Catholic church at the end of the 20th century and she was 100% right !!! What do we do then ? what did she say to do ? She said, to say the Traditional Rosary, not the rosary of John Paul II, the Traditional Rosary !! 15 decades, everyday or 5 decades on Monday, 5 decades on Tuesday, and 5 decades, on Wednesday. Since the Mass is the greatest prayer of all !!! you get the Saint Andrews missile (and no other missile) but the St Andrews missile, and you say Mass every Sunday (you're not able to consecrate) but you can still say the prayers of the Mass !!! From only the Saint Andrew's missile!! You can say the rosary, the Seven Sorrows of Mary, the Stations of the Cross, all at home. Have nothing to do with today's fake Catholic Church!!! NOTHING !!! This means all Vatican 2 priests and parishioners also the sspx, sspv, cmri, fssps… It will be a mortal sin and send you straight to hell if you go to any of these groups who support and embrace “Invincible ignorance” and also “baptism of desire and blood” that the Traditional Catholic church teaches against !!! Subjective v.s Objective heresy !!! OR, You can be in the soul of the church and not be a member heresy, these groups, the sspx and others Embrace these heresies !!! along with using the St Joseph's missile (THIS IS A Condemned Missile) if anyone, even the Pope, tells you that it's not a condemned missile they are - A - Liar !! don't believe them, they're a liar and a Heretic !!! Heretics will send you to Hell !!! You say your prayers at home, you stay at home, and you say your prayers at home, the Traditional prayers of the church and you say them every day. You read the Bible the Catholic Bible and no other since all other Bibles have been Rewritten with attacks againt Mary !!! and study the lives of the Saints of the church, and stay away from newly written or revised books on the market today !!! Don't buy any books on the market after 1960 !!!! What about confession and all that ? You confess your sins to God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost using the prayers in the St Andrews missile, in the confessional which is in the back of the book, or you say one of the seven penitential Psalms along with the act of contrition. That's your confession, at home where you are safe both in body and soul !! For baptism you do the same at home with the proper, Matter, Form and Intent !!! But whatever you do have nothing to do with the Vatican 2 Church sspx, sspv, fssp…. even if it's empty do not go in it !!! Judgment day is almost here. P.S.- the Most Holy Family Monastery is a good resource me and my colleagues have kept a close eye on them for over 20 years I highly recommend them. Also the web site - God's Catholic Dogma. They are the only 2 sources of Catholic Teachings on earth. And Vatican 2 doc. Are binding if anyone tells you there not their lying God Love You
This’s awakening thank you, 1-La Salette 1846 2-Fatima 1917 -3rd secreted was hidden & Altered 3-Garabandal in Spain 61-65-Bc Of the 3rd secreted was not revealed . 4-Guadalupe in Guadalupe 1988-1990 5-Akita in Japan & so much around the world mgs had been ignored & mislead by the church & clergy.
Notice how the clothes are much more flamboyant, and the height of the mitres .. there has been much simplification. I was privileged to have a seat ar the Council at the Mass and ceremony for the 4th centenary of the Council of Trent....and as a laywoman guest.
This guy who is talking about the eastern rites apparently doesn't know what he's talking about. I was Byzantine Catholic for several years. We were always taught that in the Byzantine Rite our tradition was that the Liturgy could never be changed. I always wondered why the Roman Rite didn't appear to have that same understanding. Of course I really didn't know anything about Vatican 2 at the time. Now I have learned that the Roman Rite did have that understanding prior to Vatican 2
Yes bro. Very painful to think about it. The split between Eastern Church and the new kid on the block (4-8 centuries mainly) the Roman Church has been a grave sin. The history shows that Rome was more at fault, because of arrogance (due to power). God bless bro.
@@paulfaigl8329 no I'm not talking about the split between Eastern Orthodox and the Catholic Church. I was Byzantine Catholic which is part of the Catholic Church. There are I believe 27 different Rites of the Catholic Church. Each Rite has its own liturgy which are pretty much all fairly similar and their own type of spirituality kind of like the difference between a Dominican and a Franciscan as an example. They each emphasize different things. Or as I said above one of the differences or I thought was difference was the idea that the Liturgy was unchangeable by humans. That was also a teaching in the Roman Rite but I did not realize it until the last couple years
@@KMF3 Actually, the liturgy is an accumulation. But an organic one. And the mass "committed" by the free-mason employee of Paul VI was a violent agression against this living evolution.
The 70% of people who left the church didn’t leave because it Vatican II. They really didn’t believe in Jesus’s presents the holy Eucharist body blood Solon divinity! Spiritual food for thought!
I would say they’re hand in hand. As the Latin mass was primed for such discovery of faith if one truly did believe, but the lackadaisical and colloquial modernist new liturgy, Vatican II Catholicism presented a new protestant religion. No reverence, no belief, no faith. It is likely part correlation rather than causation but I’d lean more toward causation. Beyond a doubt if Vatican II’s destruction was never introduced, I’d imagine a vast increase in interest of young people seeking refuge from the evil of our modern world (culture) and thus tradition, which unfortunately has been abolished, and strategically so.
Pope John said "Throw open Windows and let. The Spirit in" presupposes Spirit not in church. This is heresy as Jesus said that he would always be with us. Pope Pius X would be appalled at V2.
Our Mother of Good Success said it so well, in Quito in 1610. Freemasonry will become rampart at the end of the 19th century and just after the middle of the 20th century, apostasy will enter into the very seat of Rome itself.
How has this "experiment" worked for the church? People outwardly appearing to show little reverence, the congregation dressed so improperly, the musical accompaniment, the mass exodus from the church since the council, poorly catechized children and adults, Holy Communion received standing and in the hand, little belief in the Real Presence. These are just a few things...It just smacks of irreverence. You don't need to fix what isn't broken especially in the holy liturgy. It's not man-centered worship, but worship of All Mighty God.
He is OK but moved out of Victoria. the leftist mob will not leave him alone; in fact they do not accept him being fully exonerated by the High Court and set free. Please pray for him...there is much more behind this story than what is in the main stream liberal media. It goes back to the corruption in Vatican....
I'm from Africa Zimbabwe specifically the Vatican 2 council did wonders for us here .The church actually grew and more churches are being built more young men and women are joining the religious life we fell party of the church and included which was not the case during Vatican 2.The church is flourishing.The problem with u people from western countries u want to blame the decline of the church on the Vatican 2 but it's actually the social changes in your countries that have resulted in having empty churches.If you think bringing back the traditional latin mass will make young people flock back to the church then you are delusional big time.
No fruits. The tree withered out and died, they poisoned it from the inside out. All that’s left is Christ comes back to take the Chair of St. Peter, as the tree will not burn, Gates of Hell shall not prevail.
In felt so very very sorry for all the sisters had to give up their habits!!! I remember Franciscan sisters crying and crying because,to.them, the Vatican didn't care about them being brides of jesus christ!!!
A consideration of Vatican II using the concepts of genus and species. Without getting into the historical background, inner workings and doctrinal details of the Vatican II documents and rather relying on what most Catholics know about it the following analogy I think is most revealing: Aristotle says that the natural way of learning and coming to know things is from the generic to the more specific. Just as when we see something moving in the distance we first identify it as a body and then as it moves closer an animal and even closer a man and finally as this particular person Socrates. Now it needs to be understood that there is a difference between our knowledge of a thing and the thing itself. Our knowledge is always more generic than the thing itself existing in reality which is very specific. If someone were to give the definition of the species of a thing instead of giving the definition of the genus of that thing one would give a more precise and fuller account of the thing. In other words the more specific our knowledge becomes of something the closer our knowledge resembles the thing. The truer our knowledge is, in the sense of having more truth - adeguatio res et intellectus. This is the natural way man comes to know. To try to move in the opposite direction is unatural and against human nature. To try to forget what one already KNOWS about something in order to know it more generically is an act of violence against oneself. It would entail force that goes against one's own nature. Now what is more generic and less specific is more universal. Whereas as what is more specific is more exclusive. In the same way when one says the word animal it can apply to many things. Where when one says man it excludes many things and applies to just one type of animal. Now things that exist in reality ARE NOT generic they are specific. The Church founded by Our Lord is a real existing reality. It is something specific with its own essential elements and properties. Now the Councils, pronouncements and doctrines through the ages became more and more specific. The Church's awareness of itself approached more and more the reality of its own being. It is impossible to move in the other direction. In other words it is impossible to move from a specific knowledge to a more general confused knowledge. A generic knowledge of anything is always more confused than a specific one, just as knowing something only in so far as it is an animal is more confused than knowing it specifically: a man. Instead our knowledge specifies as we gain acquantaince and experience of a thing. This should.not be confused with the knowledge particular persons had of the Church. Ofcourse the apostles and early Christians had a very specific knowledge of the Church. However the Church's formulated doctrine was not as specific. Throughout the centuries this doctrine became better formulated and more specific. This was neccesary especially to rule out heresy and error. A more generic knowledge on the other hand is more open to heresy and error. Now, in order for Vatican II to be less divisive, open to non Catholics and ALSO IN ORDER FOR THERE TO BE CONSENSUS AMONGST THE COUNCIL FATHERS, THE COUNCIL HAD TO REVERSE THE NATURAL PROCEDURE AND PROCLAIM SOMETHING MORE GENERIC THAN PREVIOUS COUNCILS. Now one could argue that the council taught no error. Entering into this debate is not easy and not for the most of us. However knowing that the council purposefully decided to be less specific and more generic is known by all of us. Can we say that a generic knowlwdge of a thing is deficient compared to a fuller specific knowlwdge of a thing? Trying to go against oneself and forget what one once knew creates the impression that one must have been wrong once upon a time. Because why else would one try to forget what once knew? Especially if what one once knew one used to think was valuable and true, a treasure to be safeguarded. How many people do we know who have used Vatican II to look back and interpret older Councils? Anything more specific than the Council is frowned upon as superfluous and outdated. But does truth age? Never the less can we blame them for acquiring this habit when this is a natural consequence of artificially regressing and not progressing in knowledge? Of trying to be less specific and more generic. I leave you to draw the conclusions.
I wonder if this is the growth and renewal he was looking for. Take the mass renewal in Chicago at Christmas for instance. Dancing, blowing bubbles and final blessing with a guitar? Pope John XXIII put the church in the toilet and Pope Francis has flushed it.
Enlighten me, in what part of the council the modernism has taken part in? There are 16 documents and all of you just point in liturgy reformation and i bet u havent even read about. If you read about it, then i suppose u should have known the idea, the spirit of Sacrosanctum Concilium. It is even easier to distinguish which one is heresy to the teaching of VC 2 and which one isnt.
They blew the roof off the Vatican and flooded the place desecrating it, all under the guise of protecting and promoting continuity. What a perfectly executed mass deception.
Vatican II did’t destroy Catholic art and sacred music. In contrast, it expanded sacred music form in Liturgy, including hymns in all local languages. Vatican II maintained that the Gregorian chant play an important role in Liturgy.
Well I’m no theologian, but no vocations empty church’s an Christ ignored. I can’t take anymore more fresh air. Here in ground 0 the archdiocese of Detroit we’ve closed more churches/schools than I can count. So sad. Tooo many experts!
In my country we had the best priest he’s from Ireland and we loved him so much He visited public schools , gave school supplies to poor students every month, many gifts from church on Xmas and people so excited coz every family has gifts 😅, free private school for some poor people, free electricity all day on Sunday , many to mention 😊😊😊😍😍
A German Doctor of theology cum Monsignor of the Catholic Church explains the whole "miracle" of the Luther Revolution in "Martin Luther, Saint or sinner": watch and share widely!
All the Vatican 2 catholics say it's too confusing, I don't understand it's confusing ! Or the mass is enough, no, it's not enough. You must have the true Catholic faith. There is nothing confusing about it !!! Pope Gregory the 16th 1831 let nothing of the truths that have been defined, it be lessened, nothing altered nothing added, but let them be preserved intact in the word and then meaning. Vatican Council of 1870 session 3 chapter 4 part 13 and 14 EX cathedra -- for the doctrine of the faith which God has revealed is put forward not as some philosophical Discovery capable of being perfected by human intelligence but as a Divine deposit committed to the spouse of Christ to be Faithfully protected and infallibly promulgated hence to that meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church and there must never be any abandonment of this sense under the pretext or in the name of a more profound understanding. Pope Pius the 10th syllabus condemning the errors of the modernists 1907 article 62 : the proposition the chief articles of the Apostles Creed did not have the same sense for the Christians of the first stages as they have for the Christians of our time is hereby condemned as erroneous. St John of the Cross 1591 wherefore if there be revealed to us anything new or different we must in no way give consent to it not even though it were spoken by an Angel. St. Thomas Aquinas doctor of the church 1274 all those who deny one Article of Faith regardless of their reason are by that very fact excommunicated. Pope Eugene the fourth Council of Florence Session 8 1439 ex cathedra whoever Wills to be saved before all things it is necessary that he holds the Catholic faith unless a person keeps this Faith whole and undefiled without doubt He Shall Perish eternally. Popplio 13th 1896 the practice of the church has always been the same as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the fathers who were want to hold as outside Catholic communion and alien to the church whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of Doctrine proposed by her authoritative magisterium. Council Florence session 11 February 4th 1442 ex cathedra the Holy Roman Church condemns reproves anathematize has and declares to be outside the body of church which is the Catholic Church whoever holds opposing or contrary views. Popplio the 10th 5th lateran Council session 8th 1513 EX cathedra and since truth cannot conjure the truth we Define that every statement contrary to the enlightened truth of the faith is totally false and we strictly forbid teaching otherwise to be permitted we decree that all those who cling to erroneous statements of this time this sewing heresies which are wholly condemned should be avoided in every way and punished as detestable and odious Heretics and infidels who are undermining the Catholic faith. Saint Athanasius God's word is one and the same in the doors forever unchanged always the same Pope Pius the 9th, qui Pluribus I'm faith and religion November 9th 1846 paragraph 20 never cease to instruct all men in it never tolerating and letting pass anyting which could in the slightest degree defiled the purity of this faith. What the same great strength of Mind Foster and all men their Unity with the Catholic church outside of which there is no salvation Pope Saints sixtus 3 nothing new is to be allowed for nothing can be added to the old look for the faith of the elders and do not let our faith be disturbed by a mixture of new doctrines St Vincent of Lerins 445, all novelty in faith is ashore Mark of heresy Saint Paul Cried Out aloud again and again to all men to all times and to all places that if anyone announces a new doctrine let him be anathematized. If there is a change YOU ARE NOT TO SUPPORT IT OR embrace it IN ANY WAY !!! There is no confusion unless you're a heretic and belong to the vatican 2 fake church, there is no confusion for true Catholics, I'll say that again there is no confusion for the true Catholics the teachings of the church are simple and clear. Nothing is to be changed !!!!! Nothing !! If you disagree with this your excommunicated from the church you no longer are Catholic you no longer have a father in Heaven !!!
It has become that disaster you speak of. It must remain Christ centric not become more human centric. Doctrine must regain its Spiritual scholastic language of theology; it must not bow to human philosophy or human emotion and sentiment. Ecclesiology must rule over Ecumenism. TRUTH remains constant, it does not become something different over time. GOD IS ETERNAL AND HIS TRUTHS ARE ETERNAL!
I don't understand why you can't understand the traditional Latin Mass? What's so hard to understand? And yes I agree with what others have said that the mass is not to be to our liking. The mass is the worship of God the way that he desires to be worshipped. And when the priest is praying silently and facing ad orientem he's not talking to you. The mass is not about you it's about God.
To state that reverting from the sacred Church Latin to the common languages was part of Vatican 2 is false. It did not such thing in its documents. Also, showing the cringe guitar music as a way of laymen ‘participating’ in the Mass was specifically ill-advised by the documents on the liturgy, encouraging the churches to retain the fitting Gregorian chant. When I think of how the Church Masses are practically unrecognizable from earlier, so blasé in the liturgy and downright awful in the music, I have to really stretch my imagination to believe in the indefectibility of the Church.
V2 Modernists: united in disobedience to the deposit of faith of 2k years and who say that Jesus is no longer necessary for salvation. A.) Jorge Bergoglio and numerous bishops have shown they are not the kind, caring Vatican 2 they made themselves out to be but are collegial towards Germans who disobey the deposit of faith, Bergoglio smiles while bishops ignore church teaching on homosexuality, abortion, adultery, etc, while Bergoglio divides the church with his schismatic Pachamama idol blessing.. B.) This is a false spirituality, one in which Bergoglio is on a quest to be rigid against rigidity, is collegial with James Martin types and when giving awards to pro-aborts, and towards Germans who disobey the deposit of faith. C.) All the while everyone else gets the Synodal Way while Bergoglio is hypocritically dictatorial with Traditionalists in that he said the bishops are to ensure that groups already celebrating the TLM "do not deny the validity and the legitimacy of the liturgical reform *dictated* by Vatican Council II and the Magisterium of the supreme pontiffs" while every conceivable Novus Ordo mass under the sun is allowed, with crazy antics, such as hip hop music and worse during masses taking place. D.) The signatories to Vatican II refused to take an oath against modernism, but now demand allegiance to modernism (we can see its fruit above) - or else! Renewal allegiances at each mass? This isn't conversion through free will but through coercion. And Bergoglio does the finger wag now after allowing or being party to schism himself by bowing before and blessing the naked Pachamama idol when it was brought onto Sacred ground by idol worshippers. But no doubt schismatic, modernist heretics will continue to be hateful and uncollegial.
Peace of Christ be with you It does not seem like liturgy the music and the Art of the Church been led by the outlines for Sacrosanctum Concilium. Change seems to have been introduce for changes sake not with dignity and solemnity as the document states. The Latin Mass and right has not been Maintained as the document states it must. The Mass is loosing it Holiness. God bless you
MrKev1664 The Church I’m at is ACTUALLY following what Vatican II wanted, not what people say it was for. It was actually a beautiful council if you read all the documents
@@lukepeterson3871 Hey Luke Christ be with you What do you mean by "ACTUALLY following what Vatican II wanted." I go to a SSPX Mass and a Novus Ordo. They are night and day in terms of Holiness. I have read the first three documents and can find little wrong with what said so far but what has been implemented leaves a lot to be desired. God Bless you
MrKev1664 I was agreeing with, a lot of people came to hate on Vatican II. I understand that the mass is losing it reverence. My pastor though is trying to bring back the attention to the mass and the Sacraments. For example not having people ever talk in the sanctuary. And what I meant by what Vatican II actually wanted is for the lay people to be studying the scriptures and taking part in the mass. I do not agree with people receiving in there hands though and I think that was misinterpreted. Sorry for all of this. It may not make sense
@@lukepeterson3871 Hey Luke Peace of Christ be with you I go to the SSPX because of the reverence shown to the blessed sacrament there. It is local to where I live so I went of a look and was very impressed and so return when I can. God bless you
Escuchemos las voces de todos y cada uno de los narradores, historiadores, todos son parte del sistema religioso sosteniendo el engaño mas grave de la historia de la humanidad, el catolicism usurpando a verdad.
I was an adult, pre and post vat2 - the apostate council. And you have no clue as to what you're talking about! If you're a true catholic, watch this.." Vatican II - Council of Apostasy", and then read about Quito in 1610 of Our lady of Good Success and what she says about apostasy, and when! This is the reality of your faith. If you reject both, you're amongst those in error, and a tool of satan.
2 Thessalonians 2-15 hold your Traditions handed down by the Apostles don't change a thing. WHAT did you do the great gathering of criminals to circumvent the true Christian faith. You set up a counterfeit religion which is an apostacy to the true faith of Lord Jesus Christ.
"Revolutionary journey"??? That sounds like a verbatim from a communist party training manual! What do you want to celebrate here...but let me to watch this whole opus before committing myself to conclude my comment...and now, after seeing it whole, there is time to comment. The only sensible comment was done by the lady theologian at 22:51 about cruciality of beautiful art in the buildings and in the celebration. Yes. What has happened in reality with the art? Just the opposite. After VII the beautiful art was thrown out! And now, in 2020, we see many churches closed, empty, turned to hotels or to bars... I will give one thumb up just out of pity, just to thank you for the effort. Definitely not for the objective assessment of that fatal concilliar undertaking and results; in fact the hidden cancer in the body John XXIII which flared up during session 1 and speedily killed him, meaningfully speaks in a (deep) symbolic language (of the) impending disastrous conclusion of the Council.
@jerome2642 John 23 AKA (Angelo Roncallie) was NOT a true pope because : 1)Of Episcopal lineage where he had no Authority that would ordain him for anything !!! So he never was a priest a bishop or a pope. 2) He was a Freemason long before becoming a pope. That excommunicates him from the church from the Catholic faith 3) he was falsely elected Pope because cardinal Giuseppe Siri was elected and took the name of Gregory XVII (The pope in Red) who's life was threatened if he should accept it. 4) John 23 was the false Pope who changed the Mass to the saint Joseph missile that all traditional groups use to say the mass. The mass cannot be touched it cannot be changed by anyone John the 23rd changed it therefore he is excommunicated for that reason the St Joseph's missile is condemned therefore anyone using it or participating in it is excommunicated from the Catholic faith. 5) all these are heresies and apostate and one cannot hold any office in the Catholic faith who is a heretic and apostate. 6) John the 23rd has publicly declared that the Jews are still the chosen people this is heresy against the Catholic faith 7) John the 23rd embraced endorsed and supported other religions this is heresy against the Catholic faith 8) the FBI and CIA had a file on both John 23rd and Paul the 6th and this criminal file was handed to Pius the 12th with their involvement with Communism. And yet Pius the 12th elevated John the 23rd to being a cardinal. Also the black Nobility of Europe advised Pius the 12th against John the 23rd that he was a Freemason. There are many other reasons why John 23 was not a true pope or priest. But a Freemason. And apostate !!!
One of the many bad fruits of Protestants who devised to change God's Church. They are responsible for much evil in this world since the time of the huge revolter and lustful man, Luther (Lucifer). Those Protestants who wake up leave and come to the true Church.
How insulting is that which you have written. Shame on you. Blaming protestants for the rot in your own church. Pathetic. Protestants never forced you to change your liturgy, your rites or your beliefs. You are free to worship and believe what you want. Laziness to blame protestants for your ill conceived changes to your own liturgy. Also of course avoiding the endemic nature of paedophile clergy and the blind eyes turned to it by your own bishops, cardinals and popes for decades. That was not our fault, but your own. It is so easy to lay blame on protestants. Pathetic. Jesus would never have ever said the sentence you wrote.
I remember this, as I was in a Catholic grammar school !! In 1962 I was 11 years old .. It was hard to do the changes that we were held to.. Many people refused to accept the change, and left the Catholic Church.. I too went astray, but I never left completely.. I Love my Catholic Faith, and will always be a Catholic .. AMEN !!🙏
Anyone who left the Catholic Church, I can assure you wasn’t because of Vatican II. The real reason is because they really didn’t believe in Jesus and his true presence in the Eucharist. Body blood Soul divinity.
Speaking of Simple vs complex the novus ordo 3 year cycle is way more complex than the traditional Latin Mass which is the same every year. It's interesting because the traditional Latin mass is simple but it's also very rich whereas the novus ordo is complicated very Bland.
Yes.
Agree
Back when I was a child in the 70's and early 80's, historically not too long after Vatican II Council, all of my family members (immediate, cousins and extended family ) were all Catholic. Now since the church have become no different from protestant churches, 70% of the family had left the church. Vatican II has done nothing but damage. When you make the church now different from protestant churches, there is no reason to stay Catholic. For my wife, child and myself, We say that we are born Catholic and we will die Catholic. I wish that there was a more traditional Catholic Church in my area.
J. Ortiz what part of the world are you in? There may be hope...
Look on the web for Pre Vatican II masses in your area.
What you and I know is that Jesus was, is, and will ever be The King of the Jews. I'm sure in our catechism we learned that you and I belong to His Kingdom, why? You tell me. The Church has taught us both that Salvation is here for all Catholics, besides that, let The Church do her will. In judgement day I know I have no one to blame but myself for not believing with my whole heart and soul that God has come to save me from hell through The Eucharist, The Sacraments, and The Church. Keep doubting, or keep sinning, I will have to answer for myself, my wife, friends, and family.
Yes, indeed! Look to the Society of St. Pius X. Perhaps first read Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre’s Declaration Of November 21st, 1974 - and - see if his words do not strike a supernatural cord within you. God bless you, with my poor prayers.
T R Is that not separated from the Roman Catholic Church
Churches emptied after this council.
Un documentario incomparabile. Non c'era ancora la televisione diffusa quando ne sentivamo parlare in chiesa. Bellissimi ricordi. Quelle finestre che si aprivano erano diventate davvero la feritoia dello Spirito Santo. Arrivava una Chiesa della cui immagine sognavamo da tanto. Queste immagini del cortometraggio parlano da sé. Si capisce tutto anche in una lingua poco praticata.
Yes to Ad Orientem! If you are shepherds, and not hirelings, then LEAD US TOWARD CHRIST (really and truly present - body and blood, soul and divinity - in the in the tabernacle that you should be facing on the high altar). Say the Holy Mass Ad Orientem because the prayers of the Mass are addressing GOD, face Him when you offer supplications to Him on behalf of us people.
Yes. It starts from there. The Holy Mass is not a drinking party around a table...
V2 Modernists: are united in disobedience to the deposit of faith of 2k years and who say that Jesus is no longer necessary for salvation.
A.) Jorge Bergoglio and numerous bishops have shown they are not the kind, caring Vatican 2 they made themselves out to be but are collegial towards Germans who disobey the deposit of faith, Bergoglio smiles while bishops ignore teaching on homosexuality, abortion, adultery, etc, while Bergoglio divides the church with his schismatic Pachamama idol blessing.
B.) This is a false spirituality, one in which Bergoglio is on a quest to be rigid against rigidity, is collegial with James Martin types and when giving awards to pro-aborts, and towards Germans who disobey the deposit of faith.
C.) All the while everyone else gets the Synodal Way while Bergoglio is hypocritically dictatorial with Traditionalists in that he said the bishops are to ensure that groups already celebrating the TLM "do not deny the validity and the legitimacy of the liturgical reform *dictated* by Vatican Council II and the Magisterium of the supreme pontiffs" while every conceivable Novus Ordo mass under the sun is allowed, crazy antics, such as hip hop music and worse during masses taking place.
D.) The signatories to Vatican II refused to take an oath against modernism, but now demand allegiance to modernism (we can see its fruit above) - or else! Renewal allegiances at each mass? This isn't conversion through free will but through coercion. And Bergoglio does the finger wag now after allowing or being party to schism himself by bowing before and blessing the naked Pachamama idol when it was brought onto Sacred ground by schismatic idol worshippers.
But no doubt schismatic, modernist heretics will be hateful and uncollegial.
Christ our Lord celebrated the first Eucharist at the Last Supper. Why do you assume they were all facing the East? When I am at Mass (yes, Novus Ordo), My heart is lifted to God and my adoration to the Blessed Sacrament, regardless if the priest faces this physical direction or that.
In the years after Vatican II, they closed the institutes of sacred music.... The result (...)....
Gay tunes. Out with the bd and in with the dooo
Vatican 2 open the doors for the wolves to come in and destroyed the Catholic church.
Make the Mass sacred again.
Clown masses?
Gay masses?
Who are you kidding?
@@uncatilaAre clowns and gays not sacred creations of God too?
The Mass is and always will be the Mass and it will always will be sacred
It was always sacred. All life is sacred. Jesus welcomed them all. If you can’t understand that, there’s something wrong with you.
One word I think he was looking for was, "failure". a lot of healing would be done to the Church if the bishops confess this one word at once.
New evangelization? Bang up job pell, you wolf
I’m doing this for re homework kms
The Vatican 2 documents explained :
Without understanding the following you will never be able to understand the documents. I will list here, what the documents consist of, by name and by title. But you will never find the list of these names inside the documents this is deliberate. For the purpose of concealment. But what you will find in every paragraph of every page the “definition” of the terms listed. Therefore the Vatican two documents consist of “definition” only:
Without understanding the following you will never be able to understand the documents. I will list here, what the documents consist of, by name and by title. But you will never find the list of these names inside the documents this is deliberate. For the purpose of concealment. But what you will find in every paragraph of every page the “definition” of the terms listed. Therefore the Vatican two documents consist of “definition” only:
1) Indifferentism
2) Syncretism and Synthesis
3) Immanent
4) Transcendentalism
5) Individualism
6) Existentialism, naturalism
7) Stoicism
8) Pantheism
9) Evolution
10) The Sciences such as historian sociology psychology critic…
If you look up Saint Pope Pius 10 Encyclical
“ Pascendi Dominici Gregis” you will find he new about Vatican 2 and wrote a detailed comprehensive explanation of Vatican 2, listing in detail more than half of the items above listed, and he even explains, in example, how it is meant to diminish Jesus Christ and the one true church and desecrate all seven sacraments and to leave the door open for more of modernism and Progressive changes in the future. He is not alone !!! Pius 10 on the Errors of Modernism, Pius 9 his Syllabus of Errors and Pope Gregory 16 in his Encyclical “Mirari Vos” see #19 on the waldensians,the Beghards,the Wycliffites, and all the popes condemned the documents of Vatican 2 and the Synod of Pistoia and warned the faithful with excommunication, anathema if you don't reject the Vatican two documents, and church, and embrace the one true traditional Catholic Church, the depository of faith, before the end of your life.
As you examine these terms and then read the Vatican two documents you can clearly see the “definition” of all the above listed terms, but not the terms themselves, and the evil,and that it is no longer Catholic but a new religion that will lead you straight to hell !!!
The Vatican II documents : briefly
1) Christ is united with each man in the Incarnation before Jesus was even born (Gaudium et Spes #22)
2) Protestant religions are a means of salvation and all other denominations. (Unitatis Redintegratio #3)
3) non-catholics made lawfully receive Holy Communion and the sacraments of the church.(Orientalium Ecclesiarum #27)
4) Muslims and Catholics together worship the same God (Lumen Gentium #16)
5) the Catholic church is united with those who don't accept the Catholic faith or the papacy. Lumen Gentium #15)
6) some people above the Age of Reason don't believe in God through no fault of their own. Lumen Gentium #16)
7) and the Buddhism man search the highest illumination. (Nostra Aetate #2)
8) all things on earth should be related to man as their Center and Crown. (Gaudium et Spes #12).
Then what are we to do you ask ?
If you are a true Traditional Catholic then you are supposed to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do, in these evil times, that she described at Fatima, in the “Third Secret”. Not the fake phony Third Secret that John Paul II falsified and Rewritten, along with the fake Lucia !!! But the real true Third Secret of Fatima. You are also to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do at La Salette, France and again at Our Lady of Good Success, who described in great detail what is to happen to the Catholic church at the end of the 20th century and she was 100% right !!!
What do we do then ? what did she say to do ? She said, to say the Traditional Rosary, not the rosary of John Paul II, the Traditional Rosary !! 15 decades, everyday or 5 decades on Monday, 5 decades on Tuesday, and 5 decades, on Wednesday. Since the Mass is the greatest prayer of all !!! you get the Saint Andrews missile (and no other missile) but the St Andrews missile, and you say Mass every Sunday (you're not able to consecrate) but you can still say the prayers of the Mass !!! From only the Saint Andrew's missile!! You can say the rosary, the Seven Sorrows of Mary, the Stations of the Cross, all at home. Have nothing to do with today's fake Catholic Church!!! NOTHING !!! This means all Vatican 2 priests and parishioners also the sspx, sspv, cmri, fssps… It will be a mortal sin and send you straight to hell if you go to any of these groups who support and embrace “Invincible ignorance” and also “baptism of desire and blood” that the Traditional Catholic church teaches against !!! Subjective v.s Objective heresy !!! OR, You can be in the soul of the church and not be a member heresy, these groups, the sspx and others Embrace these heresies !!! along with using the St Joseph's missile (THIS IS A Condemned Missile) if anyone, even the Pope, tells you that it's not a condemned missile they are - A - Liar !! don't believe them, they're a liar and a Heretic !!! Heretics will send you to Hell !!!
You say your prayers at home, you stay at home, and you say your prayers at home, the Traditional prayers of the church and you say them every day. You read the Bible the Catholic Bible and no other since all other Bibles have been Rewritten with attacks againt Mary !!! and study the lives of the Saints of the church, and stay away from newly written or revised books on the market today !!! Don't buy any books on the market after 1960 !!!!
What about confession and all that ? You confess your sins to God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost using the prayers in the St Andrews missile, in the confessional which is in the back of the book, or you say one of the seven penitential Psalms along with the act of contrition. That's your confession, at home where you are safe both in body and soul !! For baptism you do the same at home with the proper, Matter, Form and Intent !!!
But whatever you do have nothing to do with the Vatican 2 Church sspx, sspv, fssp…. even if it's empty do not go in it !!! Judgment day is almost here.
P.S.- the Most Holy Family Monastery is a good resource me and my colleagues have kept a close eye on them for over 20 years I highly recommend them. Also the web site - God's Catholic Dogma. They are the only 2 sources of Catholic Teachings on earth.
And Vatican 2 doc. Are binding if anyone tells you there not their lying
God Love You
Is it possible that Satan has entered into the church during this event?
This’s awakening thank you,
1-La Salette 1846
2-Fatima 1917 -3rd secreted was hidden & Altered
3-Garabandal in Spain 61-65-Bc Of the 3rd secreted was not revealed .
4-Guadalupe in Guadalupe 1988-1990
5-Akita in Japan & so much around the world mgs had been ignored & mislead by the church & clergy.
Notice how the clothes are much more flamboyant, and the height of the mitres .. there has been much simplification. I was privileged to have a seat ar the Council at the Mass and ceremony for the 4th centenary of the Council of Trent....and as a laywoman guest.
Jesus used Petros not Petra for a reason. Joseph wasn't Josephine. Jesus went out of his way to honor Genders something women need to understand
@@uncatila women AND men!
This guy who is talking about the eastern rites apparently doesn't know what he's talking about. I was Byzantine Catholic for several years. We were always taught that in the Byzantine Rite our tradition was that the Liturgy could never be changed. I always wondered why the Roman Rite didn't appear to have that same understanding. Of course I really didn't know anything about Vatican 2 at the time. Now I have learned that the Roman Rite did have that understanding prior to Vatican 2
Yes bro. Very painful to think about it. The split between Eastern Church and the new kid on the block (4-8 centuries mainly) the Roman Church has been a grave sin. The history shows that Rome was more at fault, because of arrogance (due to power). God bless bro.
@@paulfaigl8329 no I'm not talking about the split between Eastern Orthodox and the Catholic Church. I was Byzantine Catholic which is part of the Catholic Church. There are I believe 27 different Rites of the Catholic Church. Each Rite has its own liturgy which are pretty much all fairly similar and their own type of spirituality kind of like the difference between a Dominican and a Franciscan as an example. They each emphasize different things. Or as I said above one of the differences or I thought was difference was the idea that the Liturgy was unchangeable by humans. That was also a teaching in the Roman Rite but I did not realize it until the last couple years
@@KMF3 Actually, the liturgy is an accumulation. But an organic one. And the mass "committed" by the free-mason employee of Paul VI was a violent agression against this living evolution.
The Roman Church actually does. Read Pius V's Quo Primum 1570
The 70% of people who left the church didn’t leave because it Vatican II. They really didn’t believe in Jesus’s presents the holy Eucharist body blood Solon divinity! Spiritual food for thought!
I would say they’re hand in hand. As the Latin mass was primed for such discovery of faith if one truly did believe, but the lackadaisical and colloquial modernist new liturgy, Vatican II Catholicism presented a new protestant religion. No reverence, no belief, no faith. It is likely part correlation rather than causation but I’d lean more toward causation. Beyond a doubt if Vatican II’s destruction was never introduced, I’d imagine a vast increase in interest of young people seeking refuge from the evil of our modern world (culture) and thus tradition, which unfortunately has been abolished, and strategically so.
Pope John said "Throw open Windows and let. The Spirit in" presupposes Spirit not in church. This is heresy as Jesus said that he would always be with us. Pope Pius X would be appalled at V2.
Colleen Urban . Of which presupposes that The Spirit is not with us, though Jesus says he will always be with us.
Good insight. Of course the Light of the World is in the Church and is Christ himself!
Such a pitiful, desperate attempt to save this Judas Council.
Our Mother of Good Success said it so well, in Quito in 1610. Freemasonry will become rampart at the end of the 19th century and just after the middle of the 20th century, apostasy will enter into the very seat of Rome itself.
What kind of stupid are you?
This is how a disaster started that lasted for years:
How has this "experiment" worked for the church? People outwardly appearing to show little reverence, the congregation dressed so improperly, the musical accompaniment, the mass exodus from the church since the council, poorly catechized children and adults, Holy Communion received standing and in the hand, little belief in the Real Presence. These are just a few things...It just smacks of irreverence. You don't need to fix what isn't broken especially in the holy liturgy. It's not man-centered worship, but worship of All Mighty God.
Well yes exactly, it destroyed the worship of God at the direct motivation of making it a man centered worship aka antichrist.
The best documentary ever
They threw open the windows of the church and most everyone left. One of the fruits of V ll
Catholic Church is Spotless Bride of Christ. It's in eclipse. Research Sedevacantism. Peace.
Why don’t you publish books, and more articles on this in various media? To effect change, you need the support of the majority.
Good ol Cardinal Pell. He's in the slammer now isn't he?
He is OK but moved out of Victoria. the leftist mob will not leave him alone; in fact they do not accept him being fully exonerated by the High Court and set free. Please pray for him...there is much more behind this story than what is in the main stream liberal media. It goes back to the corruption in Vatican....
I'm from Africa Zimbabwe specifically the Vatican 2 council did wonders for us here .The church actually grew and more churches are being built more young men and women are joining the religious life we fell party of the church and included which was not the case during Vatican 2.The church is flourishing.The problem with u people from western countries u want to blame the decline of the church on the Vatican 2 but it's actually the social changes in your countries that have resulted in having empty churches.If you think bringing back the traditional latin mass will make young people flock back to the church then you are delusional big time.
why do they keep showing that apostate folk mass ?
a prostetanized mass
It is the will of God.
Because you're an idiot
Yeah ok so where are the fruits of the Council?
No fruits. The tree withered out and died, they poisoned it from the inside out. All that’s left is Christ comes back to take the Chair of St. Peter, as the tree will not burn, Gates of Hell shall not prevail.
In felt so very very sorry for all the sisters had to give up their habits!!! I remember Franciscan sisters crying and crying because,to.them, the Vatican didn't care about them being brides of jesus christ!!!
A consideration of Vatican II using the concepts of genus and species.
Without getting into the historical background, inner workings and doctrinal details of the Vatican II documents and rather relying on what most Catholics know about it the following analogy I think is most revealing:
Aristotle says that the natural way of learning and coming to know things is from the generic to the more specific. Just as when we see something moving in the distance we first identify it as a body and then as it moves closer an animal and even closer a man and finally as this particular person Socrates.
Now it needs to be understood that there is a difference between our knowledge of a thing and the thing itself. Our knowledge is always more generic than the thing itself existing in reality which is very specific. If someone were to give the definition of the species of a thing instead of giving the definition of the genus of that thing one would give a more precise and fuller account of the thing. In other words the more specific our knowledge becomes of something the closer our knowledge resembles the thing. The truer our knowledge is, in the sense of having more truth - adeguatio res et intellectus.
This is the natural way man comes to know. To try to move in the opposite direction is unatural and against human nature. To try to forget what one already KNOWS about something in order to know it more generically is an act of violence against oneself. It would entail force that goes against one's own nature.
Now what is more generic and less specific is more universal. Whereas as what is more specific is more exclusive. In the same way when one says the word animal it can apply to many things. Where when one says man it excludes many things and applies to just one type of animal. Now things that exist in reality ARE NOT generic they are specific.
The Church founded by Our Lord is a real existing reality. It is something specific with its own essential elements and properties.
Now the Councils, pronouncements and doctrines through the ages became more and more specific. The Church's awareness of itself approached more and more the reality of its own being. It is impossible to move in the other direction. In other words it is impossible to move from a specific knowledge to a more general confused knowledge. A generic knowledge of anything is always more confused than a specific one, just as knowing something only in so far as it is an animal is more confused than knowing it specifically: a man. Instead our knowledge specifies as we gain acquantaince and experience of a thing. This should.not be confused with the knowledge particular persons had of the Church. Ofcourse the apostles and early Christians had a very specific knowledge of the Church. However the Church's formulated doctrine was not as specific. Throughout the centuries this doctrine became better formulated and more specific. This was neccesary especially to rule out heresy and error. A more generic knowledge on the other hand is more open to heresy and error.
Now, in order for Vatican II to be less divisive, open to non Catholics and ALSO IN ORDER FOR THERE TO BE CONSENSUS AMONGST THE COUNCIL FATHERS, THE COUNCIL HAD TO REVERSE THE NATURAL PROCEDURE AND PROCLAIM SOMETHING MORE GENERIC THAN PREVIOUS COUNCILS.
Now one could argue that the council taught no error. Entering into this debate is not easy and not for the most of us. However knowing that the council purposefully decided to be less specific and more generic is known by all of us. Can we say that a generic knowlwdge of a thing is deficient compared to a fuller specific knowlwdge of a thing? Trying to go against oneself and forget what one once knew creates the impression that one must have been wrong once upon a time. Because why else would one try to forget what once knew? Especially if what one once knew one used to think was valuable and true, a treasure to be safeguarded.
How many people do we know who have used Vatican II to look back and interpret older Councils? Anything more specific than the Council is frowned upon as superfluous and outdated. But does truth age? Never the less can we blame them for acquiring this habit when this is a natural consequence of artificially regressing and not progressing in knowledge? Of trying to be less specific and more generic.
I leave you to draw the conclusions.
I wonder if this is the growth and renewal he was looking for. Take the mass renewal in Chicago at Christmas for instance. Dancing, blowing bubbles and final blessing with a guitar? Pope John XXIII put the church in the toilet and Pope Francis has flushed it.
sacred art? ha! come look at contemporary church/warehouses in California....
cabrerbear2309 well... you ARE living in California
Yes. She was too overenthusiastic. She should see the results now, 50 years later.
I'm sadly familiar
Enlighten me, in what part of the council the modernism has taken part in? There are 16 documents and all of you just point in liturgy reformation and i bet u havent even read about. If you read about it, then i suppose u should have known the idea, the spirit of Sacrosanctum Concilium. It is even easier to distinguish which one is heresy to the teaching of VC 2 and which one isnt.
They let in too much air
They blew the roof off the Vatican and flooded the place desecrating it, all under the guise of protecting and promoting continuity. What a perfectly executed mass deception.
Some Popes should have sought a career carrying boulders, the job would be easier than living forever in HELL.
Modernism has destroyed Catholic art and music.
Thanks to the abominations of Vatican 2, the Church is no longer Catholic. We now have a Modernist Church!
And how it did so
Vatican II did’t destroy Catholic art and sacred music. In contrast, it expanded sacred music form in Liturgy, including hymns in all local languages. Vatican II maintained that the Gregorian chant play an important role in Liturgy.
Well I’m no theologian, but no vocations empty church’s an Christ ignored. I can’t take anymore more fresh air. Here in ground 0 the archdiocese of Detroit we’ve closed more churches/schools than I can count. So sad. Tooo many experts!
I think that’s more a problem of Detroit…not the church.
In came the liturgical abuse and on went the apostacy.
In my country we had the best priest he’s from Ireland and we loved him so much
He visited public schools , gave school supplies to poor students every month, many gifts from church on Xmas and people so excited coz every family has gifts 😅, free private school for some poor people, free electricity all day on Sunday , many to mention 😊😊😊😍😍
A German Doctor of theology cum Monsignor of the Catholic Church explains the whole "miracle" of the Luther Revolution in "Martin Luther, Saint or sinner": watch and share widely!
Ahhhh, the beginning of the end of The West
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Team Mystic anyone?
All the Vatican 2 catholics say it's too confusing, I don't understand it's confusing ! Or the mass is enough, no, it's not enough. You must have the true Catholic faith.
There is nothing confusing about it !!!
Pope Gregory the 16th 1831 let nothing of the truths that have been defined, it be lessened, nothing altered nothing added, but let them be preserved intact in the word and then meaning.
Vatican Council of 1870 session 3 chapter 4 part 13 and 14 EX cathedra -- for the doctrine of the faith which God has revealed is put forward not as some philosophical Discovery capable of being perfected by human intelligence but as a Divine deposit committed to the spouse of Christ to be Faithfully protected and infallibly promulgated hence to that meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church and there must never be any abandonment of this sense under the pretext or in the name of a more profound understanding.
Pope Pius the 10th syllabus condemning the errors of the modernists 1907 article 62 : the proposition the chief articles of the Apostles Creed did not have the same sense for the Christians of the first stages as they have for the Christians of our time is hereby condemned as erroneous.
St John of the Cross 1591 wherefore if there be revealed to us anything new or different we must in no way give consent to it not even though it were spoken by an Angel.
St. Thomas Aquinas doctor of the church 1274 all those who deny one Article of Faith regardless of their reason are by that very fact excommunicated.
Pope Eugene the fourth Council of Florence Session 8 1439 ex cathedra whoever Wills to be saved before all things it is necessary that he holds the Catholic faith unless a person keeps this Faith whole and undefiled without doubt He Shall Perish eternally.
Popplio 13th 1896 the practice of the church has always been the same as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the fathers who were want to hold as outside Catholic communion and alien to the church whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of Doctrine proposed by her authoritative magisterium.
Council Florence session 11 February 4th 1442 ex cathedra the Holy Roman Church condemns reproves anathematize has and declares to be outside the body of church which is the Catholic Church whoever holds opposing or contrary views.
Popplio the 10th 5th lateran Council session 8th 1513 EX cathedra and since truth cannot conjure the truth we Define that every statement contrary to the enlightened truth of the faith is totally false and we strictly forbid teaching otherwise to be permitted we decree that all those who cling to erroneous statements of this time this sewing heresies which are wholly condemned should be avoided in every way and punished as detestable and odious Heretics and infidels who are undermining the Catholic faith.
Saint Athanasius God's word is one and the same in the doors forever unchanged always the same
Pope Pius the 9th, qui Pluribus I'm faith and religion November 9th 1846 paragraph 20 never cease to instruct all men in it never tolerating and letting pass anyting which could in the slightest degree defiled the purity of this faith. What the same great strength of Mind Foster and all men their Unity with the Catholic church outside of which there is no salvation
Pope Saints sixtus 3 nothing new is to be allowed for nothing can be added to the old look for the faith of the elders and do not let our faith be disturbed by a mixture of new doctrines
St Vincent of Lerins 445, all novelty in faith is ashore Mark of heresy Saint Paul Cried Out aloud again and again to all men to all times and to all places that if anyone announces a new doctrine let him be anathematized.
If there is a change YOU ARE NOT TO SUPPORT IT OR embrace it IN ANY WAY !!!
There is no confusion unless you're a heretic and belong to the vatican 2 fake church, there is no confusion for true Catholics, I'll say that again there is no confusion for the true Catholics the teachings of the church are simple and clear. Nothing is to be changed !!!!! Nothing !! If you disagree with this your excommunicated from the church you no longer are Catholic you no longer have a father in Heaven !!!
It has become that disaster you speak of.
It must remain Christ centric not become more human centric.
Doctrine must regain its
Spiritual scholastic language of theology; it must not bow to human philosophy or human emotion and sentiment.
Ecclesiology must rule over Ecumenism.
TRUTH remains constant, it does not become something different over time.
GOD IS ETERNAL AND HIS TRUTHS ARE ETERNAL!
I am glad that there was a Vatican II . Now I can understand the Liturgy of the mass.
marriane brandeez The Mass is not ment to be bent to your liking. But it’s for the Honor and glory for God.
I don't understand why you can't understand the traditional Latin Mass? What's so hard to understand? And yes I agree with what others have said that the mass is not to be to our liking. The mass is the worship of God the way that he desires to be worshipped. And when the priest is praying silently and facing ad orientem he's not talking to you. The mass is not about you it's about God.
It’s not about you, narcissist. Become Catholic. Reject the Judas Council and its Bogus Disordo.
How foolish. Watch " Vatican II - Council of Apostasy" and you'll understand why you are!
It's illegal. Read Pius V's Quo Primum of 1570
To state that reverting from the sacred Church Latin to the common languages was part of Vatican 2 is false. It did not such thing in its documents. Also, showing the cringe guitar music as a way of laymen ‘participating’ in the Mass was specifically ill-advised by the documents on the liturgy, encouraging the churches to retain the fitting Gregorian chant. When I think of how the Church Masses are practically unrecognizable from earlier, so blasé in the liturgy and downright awful in the music, I have to really stretch my imagination to believe in the indefectibility of the Church.
very interesting
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can't blame Vatican two for the growth of secularism. I mean a bit. but alas here are
A person once said
"有点看不懂啊"
-Cano Yuan, 4 years ago
V2 Modernists: united in disobedience to the deposit of faith of 2k years and who say that Jesus is no longer necessary for salvation.
A.) Jorge Bergoglio and numerous bishops have shown they are not the kind, caring Vatican 2 they made themselves out to be but are collegial towards Germans who disobey the deposit of faith, Bergoglio smiles while bishops ignore church teaching on homosexuality, abortion, adultery, etc, while Bergoglio divides the church with his schismatic Pachamama idol blessing..
B.) This is a false spirituality, one in which Bergoglio is on a quest to be rigid against rigidity, is collegial with James Martin types and when giving awards to pro-aborts, and towards Germans who disobey the deposit of faith.
C.) All the while everyone else gets the Synodal Way while Bergoglio is hypocritically dictatorial with Traditionalists in that he said the bishops are to ensure that groups already celebrating the TLM "do not deny the validity and the legitimacy of the liturgical reform *dictated* by Vatican Council II and the Magisterium of the supreme pontiffs" while every conceivable Novus Ordo mass under the sun is allowed, with crazy antics, such as hip hop music and worse during masses taking place.
D.) The signatories to Vatican II refused to take an oath against modernism, but now demand allegiance to modernism (we can see its fruit above) - or else! Renewal allegiances at each mass? This isn't conversion through free will but through coercion. And Bergoglio does the finger wag now after allowing or being party to schism himself by bowing before and blessing the naked Pachamama idol when it was brought onto Sacred ground by idol worshippers.
But no doubt schismatic, modernist heretics will continue to be hateful and uncollegial.
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It takes too little to get into hell, very little.
Peace of Christ be with you
It does not seem like liturgy the music and the Art of the Church been led by the outlines for Sacrosanctum Concilium.
Change seems to have been introduce for changes sake not with dignity and solemnity as the document states.
The Latin Mass and right has not been Maintained as the document states it must.
The Mass is loosing it Holiness.
God bless you
MrKev1664 The Church I’m at is ACTUALLY following what Vatican II wanted, not what people say it was for. It was actually a beautiful council if you read all the documents
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Hey Luke
Christ be with you
What do you mean by "ACTUALLY following what Vatican II wanted."
I go to a SSPX Mass and a Novus Ordo.
They are night and day in terms of Holiness.
I have read the first three documents and can find little wrong with what said so far but what has been implemented leaves a lot to be desired.
God Bless you
MrKev1664 I was agreeing with, a lot of people came to hate on Vatican II. I understand that the mass is losing it reverence. My pastor though is trying to bring back the attention to the mass and the Sacraments. For example not having people ever talk in the sanctuary. And what I meant by what Vatican II actually wanted is for the lay people to be studying the scriptures and taking part in the mass. I do not agree with people receiving in there hands though and I think that was misinterpreted. Sorry for all of this. It may not make sense
MrKev1664 And why do you feel the need to go to a SSPX chapel? Were you born into it or what?
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Hey Luke
Peace of Christ be with you
I go to the SSPX because of the reverence shown to the blessed sacrament there.
It is local to where I live so I went of a look and was very impressed and so return when I can.
God bless you
The council of apostasy.
Pure propaganda without any critical reflection regarding the suicide of the Catholic church. The windows opened and the bullshit came in
Escuchemos las voces de todos y cada uno de los narradores, historiadores, todos son parte del sistema religioso sosteniendo el engaño mas grave de la historia de la humanidad, el catolicism usurpando a verdad.
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This is the biggest video about Lost Limb Syndrome out there. Kyrie Eleison...
Those who condemn Vatican II are mostly those who were never around before or during it.
And they vote for Trump.
So what's your point?
@@KMF3 #VoteBlue.
I was an adult, pre and post vat2 - the apostate council. And you have no clue as to what you're talking about! If you're a true catholic, watch this.." Vatican II - Council of Apostasy", and then read about Quito in 1610 of Our lady of Good Success and what she says about apostasy, and when! This is the reality of your faith. If you reject both, you're amongst those in error, and a tool of satan.
well, I have been before and im after this fatal event. It didn't achieve return of faith.
This won't tell you who was really elected in 1958. And what happened to the Crown of Peter. shameful.
@@njc2107 After October '58, it was Roncalli.
2 Thessalonians 2-15 hold your Traditions handed down by the Apostles don't change a thing. WHAT did you do the great gathering of criminals to circumvent the true Christian faith. You set up a counterfeit religion which is an apostacy to the true faith of Lord Jesus Christ.
The real Catholic Church lives on in America.
It would depend where.
I am sedevacantist. Last pope= Pope Pius XII.
A non Catholic can't become pope.
Vatican II Church is not Catholic Church.
Catholic Church very tiny
Storytelling.
"Revolutionary journey"??? That sounds like a verbatim from a communist party training manual! What do you want to celebrate here...but let me to watch this whole opus before committing myself to conclude my comment...and now, after seeing it whole, there is time to comment.
The only sensible comment was done by the lady theologian at 22:51 about cruciality of beautiful art in the buildings and in the celebration. Yes. What has happened in reality with the art? Just the opposite. After VII the beautiful art was thrown out! And now, in 2020, we see many churches closed, empty, turned to hotels or to bars...
I will give one thumb up just out of pity, just to thank you for the effort. Definitely not for the objective assessment of that fatal concilliar undertaking and results; in fact the hidden cancer in the body John XXIII which flared up during session 1 and speedily killed him, meaningfully speaks in a (deep) symbolic language (of the) impending disastrous conclusion of the Council.
@jerome2642 John 23 AKA (Angelo Roncallie) was NOT a true pope because :
1)Of Episcopal lineage where he had no Authority that would ordain him for anything !!! So he never was a priest a bishop or a pope.
2) He was a Freemason long before becoming a pope. That excommunicates him from the church from the Catholic faith
3) he was falsely elected Pope because cardinal Giuseppe Siri was elected and took the name of Gregory XVII (The pope in Red) who's life was threatened if he should accept it.
4) John 23 was the false Pope who changed the Mass to the saint Joseph missile that all traditional groups use to say the mass. The mass cannot be touched it cannot be changed by anyone John the 23rd changed it therefore he is excommunicated for that reason the St Joseph's missile is condemned therefore anyone using it or participating in it is excommunicated from the Catholic faith.
5) all these are heresies and apostate and one cannot hold any office in the Catholic faith who is a heretic and apostate.
6) John the 23rd has publicly declared that the Jews are still the chosen people this is heresy against the Catholic faith
7) John the 23rd embraced endorsed and supported other religions this is heresy against the Catholic faith
8) the FBI and CIA had a file on both John 23rd and Paul the 6th and this criminal file was handed to Pius the 12th with their involvement with Communism. And yet Pius the 12th elevated John the 23rd to being a cardinal. Also the black Nobility of Europe advised Pius the 12th against John the 23rd that he was a Freemason.
There are many other reasons why John 23 was not a true pope or priest. But a Freemason. And apostate !!!
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urhhhhh...folk mass.....sickening...bluerkkk.....
One of the many bad fruits of Protestants who devised to change God's Church.
They are responsible for much evil in this world since the time of the huge revolter and lustful man, Luther (Lucifer).
Those Protestants who wake up leave and come to the true Church.
How insulting is that which you have written. Shame on you. Blaming protestants for the rot in your own church. Pathetic. Protestants never forced you to change your liturgy, your rites or your beliefs. You are free to worship and believe what you want. Laziness to blame protestants for your ill conceived changes to your own liturgy. Also of course avoiding the endemic nature of paedophile clergy and the blind eyes turned to it by your own bishops, cardinals and popes for decades. That was not our fault, but your own. It is so easy to lay blame on protestants. Pathetic. Jesus would never have ever said the sentence you wrote.
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