Why Has Jeremy Roenick Been Rejected by the Hockey Hall of Fame?
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- Jeremy Roenick has been blackballed by the Hockey Hall of Fame. But why?
Jeremy Roenick was one of the premier players of his generation and one of the greatest American stars the NHL has ever known.. After making his debut with the Chicago Blackhawks as a teenager, Roenick thrilled fans with his flashy style, take-no-prisoners approach, and jaw-dropping skills. A 9-time All Star, Roenick played 18-NHL seasons and racked up over 500 goals and 1400 penalty minutes.
Roenick’s competitive fire was unmatched and is best illustrated with his conflicted -and often painful - relationships with USA hockey peers Tony Amonte, Derian Hatcher and Mike Modano.
But his high-intensity persona extended off the ice and resulted in a series of controversial events that have often overshadowed his on-ice achievements.
Let’s take an in-depth look at the fascinating career of Jeremy Roenick and examine why - despite all he achieved as an NHL player - the man they call JR has been ignored by the Hockey Hall of Fame.
#chicagoblackhawks #philadelphiaflyers #jeremyroenick
Key Sources:
Roenick autobiography "J.R." (Kevin Allen)
NBC Sports
National Hockey League
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JR not being in the hockey hall of fame doesn't make me think less of Roenick, it makes me think less of the hall of fame.
Maybe if he wasn’t such a prick to people, he might get voted in.
took the words right out of my mouth. well said sir.
The HHOF is an old boys club. JR and Theoren Fleury should both be in there, but their honesty is too much for the old stuffy pinkos that run it.
Yep!
I think the same thing is happening with theo Fleury..
Visiting Detroit from L.A. in 2005, I attended aWings/Kings game wearing my Kings Gold and Purple jersey. I had rink side seats at the blue line. I stood out like a sore thumb. During warmup, Jeremy skated over to us several times, acknowledged our loyalty, and chatted with us. He tossed us a couple pucks. I had mentioned to him that I hoped my son back in LA would see me on TV, and during the game he skated over to our seats several times so the cameras were on us. As far as fans were concerned, he was a class act in LA.
Great anecdote .. thx! 👍
That's the other side of him. He did some decent things for other people, including fans.
I remember the Red Wings playing Chicago in the 1995 conference finals. It was a hell of a series. I always enjoyed watching JR against the Red Wings.
And without fans, there is no league.
he was a class act to all fans. he was probably one of the most competitive players to play the game, and it showed through the way he treated his opponents including his long time friend amonte. but to fans he had all the time in the world
As a lifetime Chicago resident and Hawks fan, I was at the airport in Phoenix in 2005. I noticed Roenick there walking and on his phone. I shouted out "JR", he immediately put his phone down to come and greet me. Great guy, great memory. Definite HOF'r along with Steve Larmer.
You knew he was on the phone and still thought it was a good idea to shout his name across the airport. While it might make Jeremy Roenick look like a saint it definitely makes you look like an asshole. Bragging about it 20 years later just confirms it haha.
How can a guy with 500 goals not be in the HOF? I’m not a huge hockey fan, but I always looked at 500 goals like 3000 hits in baseball ; instant HOF.
Pat Verbeek, the original Little Ball of Hate, also has over 500 goals, and he will never get in either.
Yet, the HOF puts in Cam Neely who has 600 points less than Vincent Damphousse who will also never get a glance with 1,200 points. Then the HOF puts in two Orange Twins from Vancouver, who hardly scored. Nonsense
@@TheNHLRebel Yeah, absolutely idiotic.
@@skyehorvath9063Yes, but not every baseball player who hits 500 home runs makes the Hall of Fame.
Not every 1,000 point scorer isn't in the Hall of Fame either. Is Ray Whitney a HOFer???
bc sports betting and association with gambling business / ring. similar thing happened to pete rose, they don't know fans to know that there is corruption, or that they can't trust a fair match, it tarneshes the entire NHL
They're from Sweden, and they were incredible hockey players who had a completely unique style. They deserve to be in the HOF. @@skyehorvath9063
Being a kid in the Chicagoland area in the 90's was a fun time, seeing Roenick on the ice, and Jordan on the court. My nephews recently saw JR sitting in the stands at a Blackhawks game and were nervous to walk up and say hi. Roenick was so kind, took pictures with them, and signed some stuff for them. All they wanted was to say hi. He offered to do everything else extra. Also, screw Mike Milbury for trying to bust JR's balls on air when he was emotional after the 2010 Stanley Cup. That still doesn't sit well with me to this day.
Milbury is a stooge. JR is a legend. Period.
Milbury probably still has issue with Roenick because he had to coach against him SO MANY TIMES. That was then... he needs some therapy to move past it... Glad Milbury isn't commentating anymore... no sense of humor.
Roenick's career highlight on the ice was scoring the series clinching OT goal for the Flyers against the Leafs in 2004 to go to the conference finals.
One of the greatest players ever to his fans. As a kid growing up in Phoenix he was amazing. When I was 8 my family had my birthday party at the altell ice den where the coyotes used to practice. The yotes had just got done practicing and we got to take the ice. All the players left except Shane Doan and Jeremy roenick. Shane signed autographs, but Jeremy who could have just left for the day made it a point to skate around with all of us kids, make jokes and get to hang out with a pro athlete. That's something my friends and I will never forget. Absolute class act
That is a fantastic anecdote and it was great to read … thx! 👍
Roenick is an absolute legend. I'm a Pens fan through and through, but he worked through so much to never get a cup and his best chance was against Lemieux. Dealt a bad hand and unfortunately probably has CTE as a result of giving it his all. He belongs in the hall of fame without a doubt, I just hope he's doing alright.
I love when players are there for fans
@@ProHockeyAlumni This was great content, thanks 🙏. I sat behind JR on a flight in 1996 from Boston to Chicago, the guy is a class act. We were returning home to Chicago so we were huge hawks fans. My brother and I were both playing ice hockey and he was so cool, asking us stuff -he was truly interested in talking with us the whole flight. Didn’t know his dad was a Mobil exec, my grandfather was an Amoco exec, I know how travel intensive that level of job is.
@@michaelreddick6093 he for sure has at least minor CTE I would say.
In NHL '94, you chose the Black Hawks, and any time you saw that you were controlling Roenick, you never pressed the B button to switch again. You would score 15 goals a game with 10 of the being unassisted, or with the goalie getting the assist. For a whole (short) season, the goalie would be the second leading scorer on the team with like 250 points in 50 games, While Roenick had 700+ goals.
Damn you brought back some memories. That Blackhawks team was ridiculous!
Roenick the original "video game cheating guy".
@@hounddog3476 Technically 2nd, Bo Jackson in Techmo Bowl was first I believe. Still trying to figure out how Bo Jackson was better than Barry Sanders in that game!
The key in 94 was to put a goon against Roenick - he had a high agressiveness rating but low fighting rating - it was easy to put him out of the game that way!
@@thomasvincennie3910 well thats a strategy at least. We made you hold right for 23 seconds if Blackhawks popped on our random selection. We had to random or everyone i know would have fought over the Penguins
Roenick deserves the hall of fame and the league should be embarrassed for not furthering his induction. Say what you want about him but anyone who can play 20 years in the nhl and put up those many numbers while taking that much punishment is an incredible athlete.
I watched this video just because I saw the link and thought "What? Jeremy Roenik ISN"T in the HOF?" Who wouldn't want him on your hockey team? The selection committee needs to vote based on performance not whether or not whether or not someone hurt their feelings off ice.
100 percent! This guy was a firestorm on the ice! The NHL admin and hall of fame need to downsize their ego and admit this guy was phenomenal in hockey and for hockey.
Seemed like a piece of shit that betrayed teammates and put people’s lives at risk imo
a talented goon....
gary doesnt want hockey played that way he wants to neuter the game to make it more friendly to jewish twinks like himself
I am Canadian in my 70s, so I remember when the only American in the 6 team NHL
was Tommy Williams in Boston. I always enjoyed watching all of the allstar players Chicago had then like Bobby Hull, Stan Mikita and I got a thrill watching Goalie Glenn Hall and his wandering backup young goalie Denny de Jordy.
Fast forward to Jeremy Roenick's playing career, he was a damn good , tough player on every team he played for and was nearly always a timely scorer. One of many Americans who have shown they belong amongst the World's best players too.
He DEFINETLY should be in the Hockey Hall of Fame.
Keep the damn politics out of it.
Put him in!!
He earned it!
Right on !😊
????what about Charlie BURNS
@@MARCELGOYETTE🎉
Glenn Hall and Denis DeJordy..... kudos! Haven't thought of those names (especially DeJordy) in years.
Simply put, absolutely. I'd trade ten cups for a couple guys with the heart, drive, and determination he had. His numbers are a no-brainer. The HoF committee needs to dry up, toughen its sensitivity, and induct this man already.
I couldnt hear this video. Stanley Cup rings were in my ears....
😂
Patrick Roy's response was Hall of Fame worthy in itself.
Although Roenick would often destroy my Leafs' hopes, I always loved the guy. I admired his play, his clean hits, but most of all, his everyday Joe status. He spoke his mind, and would very often be right. I've only seen a few players like that in my 52 yrs of being a big hockey fan. Brett Hull and Todd Gill could be counted on to say something profound when interviewed. Before that, Tiger Williams and Bryan Spencer were also priceless. I wish Jeremy nothing but success in the future.
are you saying hull and gill were profound and roenick was blunt and not profound in comparison?
@@johncraftenworth7847 lol. Not at al!
Listening to the announcers say "shoulder to chin. Great hit" and "it looked like a clean hit, didn't it?" is wild.
Roenick IS my favorite all-time Blackhawk, who gave his heart and soul out there. HOF for sure.
I say he deserves to be in the hall , based on the list of injuries alone. I mean geez, how many times can you get your face rebuilt.. Definitely a talented player with a lot of grit . I say put him in.
Not going to happen in today's WOKE NHL. Old days, he would have been in by now.
Hell yes. JR, one of a kind!
Yeah, Patrick Roy game him 3rd degree burns.
The favoritism of the induction committee sickens me. There are at least a handful of players that should be obvious entrants but appear to be getting ignored due to petty personal differences and favoritism.
There definitely is that human element to it, which is inherent in pretty much all selection committees like this. I didn't like Roenick in the 90s, celebrated the hit that Darien Hatcher put on him, and have really modified my opinion quite a bit since then. He had his beefs with opponents (who doesn't/didn't?), laid hits that could be called dirty sometimes, but always took it like a man when they gave it back to him. I've seen Roenick take a hit before where his jaw was broken and as he's skating off the ice, he's literally reaching into his mouth and pushing horridly loosened teeth back into place and only going out of the game after the team doctor tells him he's no longer medically cleared to play and the coach is directly ordering him to go to the hospital. (They might show this in this video, I honestly haven't watched it all yet.) 99% of us would've been a screaming fetal ball on the ice and would've been taken out by ambulance, JR walked out of there like it wasn't much of anything. That is toughness that you have to admire whether you're a fan of him or not.
What I don't like is how often a Hall of Fame pick is chosen or declined based on PR reasons. I thought his comments toward the fans during strike years were pretty ugly, I think him saying that the fans are just jealous of him struck a bad chord and came back to him during HOF selection. I viewed it as whiny that in 2006 he said that the USA hockey team had blackballed him. He had significant injuries and had been in a slump the last few years, I don't see how that is the fault of USA hockey. Still, I think his performance in the late 80s and through the 90s absolutely qualifies him to be in the HOF, as well as scoring 500 goals in his career, which is the gold standard of a hockey career. I don't think it's right to hold post-career PR things against him for HOF selection. For what he did as a player, hell yes he should be in the HOF, same as Pete Rose for what he did as a player.
Pete Rose is another one who just got deluged by media that loved to portray him as some Jekyll & Hyde character, the media was downright evil the way they poisoned everything about the guy. Rose gambled but every single gambling receipt that he's ever generated has been scrutinized by federal officials and media. He never threw games or point-shaved to benefit his gambling. He never even gambled on his own team (to win or lose). For whatever he did, he's paid the price 50 times over in the last 30 years and should be in the baseball HOF for what he did as a PLAYER. I look at Jeremy Roenick like that, too. Hall of Fame selection committees are WAY too PR-driven and tend to only look at the negative.
Roenick is the sole reason I became a die hard Coyotes and hockey fan. I was 6 years old, at my first ever game at America West Arena. During pre-game warm ups I was standing on the glass in awe watching these guys fly around. Roenick saw me standing there, skated up to the glass, and gave me a puck through the camera hole after joking around with me a little bit. Made my whole night. I don't even remember the game ( I think we were playing Toronto) or the outcome, but I will never forget that little moment.
As an adult, I don't really agree with all of his politics or a lot of his off-ice behavior, but for the player he was and the fan engagement he provided, he should be a dead lock for the Hall. I mean, he's no Curt fucking Schilling, that's for sure.
I have no problem with what he said. While unprofessional, he just said what every guy was thinking about Kathryn Tappen.
You obviously did your research while telling the story (much of which I did not know) of Jeremy Roenick.He should definitely be in the hall lot fame. He was a true great for the game. I Had no idea how many serious injuries he underwent. Yet, Roenick seemed to take them in stride and returned to the ice with great fervor.
Thanks for another top notch video!
Thanks Desert - Appreciated ✌️
JR played in one the best eras of hockey and his name was in the highlight reels for a reason. Granted, there are other guys from that same period who also deserve to be in the HHOF, but come one, this is JR we're talking about.
As a Blues fan I could not stand the SOB but there is no doubt in my mind that the man is a Hall of Famer.
Since Nhl hockey 92. Only playing with the blackhawks! My uncle took the red wings...Roenick vs Yzerman 😂. I loved it.
JR was a beast who gave his all every shift. Clutch goals, true grit, fearlessly taking on players that towered over him & passion for the game. Outspoken? Yes, but he brought character to the game. Definitely a HOF'r.
He was also dirty
@@shuvmesumknowlegde Howe was loved for that
@@shuvmesumknowlegde Hockey in general was a lot dirtier back then, it wasn't like he stuck out as the dirtiest player.
Who cares what he says it’s on the ICE that matters
@@devinhapanovich8428
There is just something really screwed-up about Eric Lindros being in the HOF and Roenick isn't. Lindros had a career that was merely good and was always judged on his natural talent and potential. He could've been great but just wasn't. Lindros was a cancer in the locker-room, he was always a major distraction (and not in a good way), way too much BS was tolerated from his parents, and yet all his PR crap (and there was A LOT) never detracted from him getting in. Roenick doesn't deserve even one-quarter of that same consideration? Roenick actually went out, gave it his all every night, and got it done but is not worthy for the HOF? 575 goals isn't good enough? That's messed-up.
No question. A fantastic hockey career. JR should be in the Hall of Fame.
My absolute favorite player of all time. Growing up in Chicago and following him throughout his career was something special, he's one of the reasons I played hockey as a youngster and still play today in Beer League. Hope I get to see him make it to the HOF someday.
At first it seems like the Hockey Hall of Fame are doing the right thing by keeping Roenick out. Way too many off ice distractions were in the making of a headcase. J.R. could not even get a friend from his home country (USA) to like him. Aside from that disastrous time with the Blackhawks, he still had excellent offensive seasons. Any player who scores 50 goals twice and notched more than 500 goals, definitely belongs in the Hockey Hall of Hame.
Growing up in Chicago area and playing ice hockey in the 90s I was such a fan. My brother and I sat behind him on a United Airlines flight from Boston to Chicago in the summer of 1996. He was the nicest athlete, maybe just person I have ever met. He was genuinely interested in what we had to say, he talked with us the entire flight. I never knew until this video his dad was a Mobil executive, my grandfather was an Amoco executive and I know how travel intensive that type of job is, glad he was able to play and become a legendary Blackhawk.
513 career goals !!! 9 time all star !!! 56 career playoff goals !!! Absolutely and unequivocally should be in the HOF. I was hoping Bruins would snag him in 88 draft. Born in Boston, man he would have been the ultimate Bruin.
Roenick was one tough SOB even if the HHoF doesnt recognize him. All the fans know he is a legend
9:44 “shoulder to chin that’s a great hit” jeeeeeeeeeeeesus how times have changed 😳
I wondered when somebody would comment on that! Times have certainly changed!
@@ProHockeyAlumni fir the wurse
After so many concussions USA Hockey knows how this effected his brain, his angry outbursts and tell it like he sees it. Jeremy Roenick the by product of what to NHL players turned into. Put that into consideration. Nobody would whole heartedly appreciate the sacrifice endured by Jeremy then Jeremy himself. Put him on the podium at HOF and see the tears fly.
Excellent comment!
In all honesty some of his numbers are incredible and should give him access to the HoF.
Regular season + playoffs he had:
+/- +174
104 game winning goals !
101 times scored the first goal of the game
9 overtime goals
30 shorthanded goals
20 shorthanded assists
201 powerplay goals
268 powerplay assists
1,338 total points
But hey, JR made $56,563,571 from his playing career so HoF or not the man did a damn good job.
Mercy! .., superior facts and knowledge … great contribution! 💪
@BDH BDH Yeah, Ovechkin became #1 this season on the all-time list of most times having scored the first goal of the game and I didn't see the major networks or the NHL mention it.
Regular season all-time:
1. Ovechkin 140
2. Jagr 135
3. Brett Hull 131
4. Gordie Howe 127
5. Teemu Selanne 119
+/- is one of the best stats in hockey. First goal of the game is completely irrelevant.
@@evanleibinger1913 First goal of the game is an official stat counted by the NHL and is prominently featured on their players miscellaneous stats page.
J.R. is the reason I became a hockey fan. I grew up in Alabama. After watching him play, I got a bunch of my friends to buy Rollerblades and we would have full blown games in the parking lot of a local park. Hockey with my friends was the only time that I was the best at anything. If not for J.R. inspiring me to play hockey, I wouldn't have found something that gave me confidence that I could be good at something and I wouldn't have some of the best memories of my childhood. So.... yeah, J.R. should be in the HOF if for no other reason than he got a scrawny kid from Alabama to fall in love with hockey.
super comment ... thanks for sharing your experience. awesome!
This has to be one of the best stories I've ever heard about how someone came to love the game of hockey. I too love the game and I find it fascinating that a kid from Alabama where hockey is probably just an afterthought to most people was even able to watch hockey let alone get a bunch of friends together and start playing it albeit on Rollerblades. I have never been to Alabama but I can't imagine there being much of an opportunity to take up the game in the same way that us Canadian kids do. We practically lived and breathed hockey day after day. Probably much like Americans love their football. I grew up in a small town in the northern part of the province of British Columbia a long ways from the bright lights of any big city when playing or watching hockey was something that everyone seemed to be into. Your comment about how hockey gave you the confidence that you could be good at something is very similar to what I experienced. I was the scrawny kid who only had a few close friends and needed something to help me with my confidence and that something turned out to be hockey and the people involved with it. Like you hockey gave me some of my best memories of my childhood. I found this piece on Jeremy Roenick very interesting even though he and I are very different. It seems like JR would be someone that I would get along with just fine as he at least appears to care about the little guy even though he travels in circles of celebrity of which I know little about and would never be comfortable with all the attention those people have to endure. JR may not be popular or well liked by some people but he at least seems to care about fans and will go out of his way to show his appreciation for their support. As for being in the HOF if the Hall is for the best to have ever played in the NHL then JR deserves to be inducted. We all make mistakes and I would think that JR is probably somewhat remorseful for some of the mistakes he's made. To hold JR out of the HOF because of his personality or some of the mistakes he's made seems to be a bit unfair to me. Take care Austen.
I’m from Alabama as well (Scottsboro) and grew up in-line skating/playing roller rink hockey as well. I loved the Thrashers while working in Atl and was sad to see ‘em go. Root for The Lighting nowadays. Followed the Crimson Tide’s hockey team as well.
Did you also get laid with your cousins and siblings?
This year, he was inducted into the Hall of Fame. JR was my favorite hockey player who never won a Stanley Cup.
I am a hard core Toronto Maple Leaf fan but i've always respected the skill set and battling spirit of Jeremy Roenick! Without a doubt, he should be in the Hall of Fame!
Enjoy your 1rst round playoff games 😂😂 all you gonna get 😂😂😂
Yes, Roenick should be in the Hall of Fame!! As a janitor!! LOL. 😃
Roenick should be in the Hall of Fame, but I think (and this my opinion) there’s a lot of players during his era that you could also argue that should be in, so I hope he gets in soon, but so do many others.
Agreed … Tkaczuk, Suter. Fluery etc
Keeping him out only diminishes the credibility of the the hockey hall of fame and especially the voters.
Awesome video! Any chance you could do Pelle Lindbergh?
So Fed up that all sports can deny great players a HOF spot just because they don't like them as a person... it's what happened on the ice, not off it!
Should be in Hall of Fame. No Question.Tough player, loves the fans, plenty of skill.
JR is definitely HHOF material. I wish the current game included more players of his type; highly skilled and tough as nails. My kind of hockey player!
They must look more at cup wins than anything else . Even with 1 cup , worlds gold and Olympic gold some don't get in .
Have you heard of the Tkachuk brothers?
Roenick should have been a first ballot Hall of Famer. His combination of scoring ability combined with his toughness makes his career very unique. He was an original 6 era type player. His stellar play for the Blackhawks his first two seasons enabled Chicago to trade Denis Savard to the Canadiens for Chris Chelios. Very informative presentation as usual.
Thanks, Mort for your always in-depth analysis 👍
Lifelong Red Wing dude here...JR was always Chicago's "what do we do about..." player.He came at you from so many different angles, he never replied on having a "sweet spot," he never backed down from anybody, ever. JR not being enshrined in Toronto is an absolute crime.
Roenick got me into Hockey, the Blackhawks were terrible, and this guy came out of nowhere and made the franchise competitive again. In Roenick's prime, you always felt he would find a way to win the game for you. You didn't know how, but he would make it happen, even if he had to do it short-handed and in overtime. This guy was a beast. I really hope that JR makes the HOF.
they werent terrible, Hawks could never get past the Oilers before JR
@@jamesd242you are correct in that.. Back I the mid 80s the Stadium was jumping every night. And then Gretzky and company met them in the playoffs and their done..
Players should be inducted in to the Hall of Fame based on what they did on the ice. The intensity and valour that Roenick played with should be enough to get him in. Theo Fleury is in the same boat. A lot of his comments and actions were in the heat of the moment. He was a big time clutch player. 110% in the HOF in my opinion!
"Intensity and valour" -- appropriate and accurate descriptions of JR. ThX!
It's crazy that there was a time when a shoulder into someone's face was considered a "great" and "clean" hit.
Hockey purest still consider it a great hit. It looks dirty to you because of the head contact, but he didn’t target the head at all. Would have been shoulder to shoulder if the guys head wasn’t down so how can you call it dirty on his part when the head contact wasn’t his fault? Or do you just want hitting outta the game period?
No question JR should be in the HHOF, same class as David Clarkson.
When we were kids in the 90s we would play ice and roller hockey and we emulated every move Jeremy Roenick did. Including the cross checking. Hockey helped a few of my baby teeth come out.
He scored 1216 pts in 1,363 games ( 513 G 703 A ) during one of the roughest and most physical eras of Hockey while not having an imposing physique yet able to dish out the play as if he had one . He belongs there . Plain and put.
Criminal that he is not in the HOF…I had the pleasure to practice with him at the NJ Rockets when he played for the Bantam National Championship team as did my brother…I was on the Rockets Midget team (but helped out Bantam team) and he and I would play as forwards on the penalty kill squad vs the power play squad…lets just say we scored more a nan down than they did…he was then and in the NHL was noticeably faster than everybody else…his competitiveness and consistent high performance is top notch
Great anecdotes ... appreciate your comment!
JR should be in the Hall of Fame. 1 of the greatest American players ever and also helps alot in promoting the game with his personality
His numbers speak for themselves. He was insane. I loved his play here in Philly. It was a good time and he is full throttle 247
I'll never forget his OT goal in game 6 in Toronto 2004. I'm glad I got to see him wear the orange and black.
Okay, here's some numbers. In his peak years, he finished 12th, 7th, 15th and 6th in points. Very good, but not really among the true elite of the league. He had three 100-point seasons at a time where 100-point seasons were still pretty common.
He never won an individual award, or even finished higher than 5th in the voting for one. He never finisher higher than 4th in All-Star Team voting at centre. His team never won the Stanley Cup.
None of this screams "Hall-of-Famer". So the answer as to why he's not in the Hall of Fame is most likely just "his career wasn't quite good enough."
@@puckerings look at the other centers of that time. So 4th in a league and the rest are pretty great. Gretzky, Mario, Sakic, Lindros. The fact that he was top 10 in that era is impressive. Madano, Amonte,Oates, Jagr, I could go forever here. I agree that his numbers are borderline shoe in but everything else he did and who he was despite the negative has put way worse players in. Am I wrong? The competition and game were different then as well. Players had balls unlike today's ballet bs
@@mulletoutdooradventures6286 okay you was making good points until you started bitching about today's players. Why can't sports fans just state their points without bitching about a certain era.
@@TheGaara802 easily because it's true. The game was different. It just was. The enforcers are gone, at least real ones. Players were absolutely different. I was always coached take the body. Always. Lay your shoulder into them and put them there through the boards. Sure there are still some big hits but you get fined 😂. Jeremy not only rumbled but also put up massive numbers for those penalties. Who in NHL right now is that? Last decade? I'll wait
He was my favorite player growing up. He always played with an edge and was exciting to watch. He is deserving of his place in the hall.
I watched in his era and you're correct on all fronts. The game now is a lot faster. That being said, these guys were absolute warriors. Hits today that would be suspensions were run of the mill. Incredible.
He absolutely deserves to be in the Hall of Fame his grit came from his competitive nature. His stats don’t lie. I wished he could have hoisted the Cup, that was my biggest wish for him.
The hall doesn't deserve Jeremy Roenick! I met him briefly in Niagara Falls at the Hilton... a real man!!
Totally deserving of HOF induction. Whether you liked him or not, he brought grit and unbelievable skill every time he hit the ice.
Dear lord....I'm surprised he can still walk upright and form a coherent sentence after 12 concussions and that many breaks to his jaw. wow
Incredible isn’t it? Thx!
I had forgotten all he had gone through. I'm glad that they have cut down on some of the more dangerous elements of the sport. Perhaps fear of concussion-related lawsuits has played a role.
What? Really? As a Penguins fan who is just a casual "NHL" fan, it shocks me that he's not a hall of famer. He was dominant as I recall.
Upon leaving Philly, “They’re going to such a good team this year, it hurts that I won’t be a part of it.”
Buddy, they got STEAMROLLED by the greatest Sabres team to ever hit the ice. You’re lucky you weren’t there, otherwise that might have been you KO’ed and sucking wind at center ice instead of Umberger.
I think he should be considered for the HHOF because of not just his on ice performance, but also how he reached out to and selflessly helped every community he was a part of.
I miss him, I've always been a Leafs fan but Roenick was an old school player that added character to the game!
We’ll said …. Thx! 🙏
He hurt the Leafs a few times. The Leafs could have used him for sure.
If his jaw was wired shut for his entire career, his hockey skills and accomplishments would have him in the HOF .
He was usually talking when he should have been listening.
Great comment
But unless he shifted into the realm of truly offensive statements (say supporting Hitler or calling for genocide) I don't think politics should affect admission. But yes, for his own sake, his mouth has got him in trouble. He tends to say not just controversial things, but stupid offensive things.
Jeremy Roenick deserves to be in the Hockey Hall of fame for sure!!!
No, Jeremy Roenick does not belong in the NHL Hall of Fame. Being tough, or highly skilled, is one thing. Being a decent human being is something else altogether. Character matters in hockey. While it can be defined, or understood, in a variety of ways, it always implies qualities of a person that deserve our respect and admiration, not just the power to do things. By the way he conducted himself during his career, both on and off the ice, it should be obvious that Roenick didn’t display those qualities when it mattered the most.
Interesting and thoughtful response … thanks!
And who is the arbiter of who a good person is you? Or a bunch of liberal pansies in the media? This is the problem with liberals they are all narcissists who love to purity test other people. Just watch the game and stfu.
By far one of the most , if not the most, complete player in NHL history. Its a crime he's not in the HOF!
Absolutely he should be there. He was a game changer
Went to one college class and said screw it I'm going to the NHL😂
What gets me, is just how cool those old sweaters were…sometimes, change isn’t always better. I’ve always liked Jeremy, and thought his commentary was on-point, and thought he got railroaded to a certain extent.
Interesting how great those 6-team sweaters have held up over time. Can't be improved.
Another fantastic hockey story. No other sport overall has the stories that playing hockey can tell. Fantastic rendition.
Thanks for watching! 👍 greatly appreciated!
Jeremy Roenick not being in the hockey HOF is surprising - he was a HOF player
As a Blues fan, I hated the guy but damn did I love his game. Tough as nails and always clutch. YES. He deserves to be in the NHL hof.
Blues fan here and I’d have to agree, but add that while I couldn’t stand Roenick or Steve Yzerman, in hindsight and with the Blues now having a Cup I can say I respect both of them and their game. Plus without Stevie Y and JR the Blues rivalries of the 90’s wouldn’t have been all that good without an adversary to despise.
I’m a Blackhawks fan and JR was My favorite player as a kid, I got his posters in my room and I remember playing with him, goulet, larmer, smith and chelios on nhl93.
That is the reason why I wore number 27 when I was playing. What a player, he was complete and play with a lot of energy, not the biggest guy on the ice but never refuse the fight.
The fact that he didn’t win the cup in 20 years of career show how it’s difficult to win the Stanley cup. As one of the best American born player, he diverses to be in the hall of fame.
J.R. is a Massachusetts hockey legend and should have been inducted in the Hall a long time ago. Put politics aside, the guy is fierce.
The NHL, mostly Buttman, doesn't like players who speak up or have a real personality. He's what every player should be, firey, skilled and pure passion ozing out of every pore in his body. He DESERVES to be in the hall. Period.
JR would have fit in well in the 6-team league
Oh he's throwback, no question! I know there were tons of superstars in the minors back at that time but he would have played in the NHL in that era no doubt about it. The closest I've seen to him is Ovi.
Lifelong Blues fan, no love for JR. Had him in my cab once. Old STL arena on Oakland to the Adam's Mark downtown, $5 tip between him and Chelios. I got bigger tips from White Castle employees. What a POS...goddamn right he should be in the HOF.
Great plot twist at the end, Schmozie!
Another very well done segment! I’m kind of on the fence when it comes to whether Roenick belongs in the Hall of Fame. It’s quite possible the selection committee may have made JR an example of who they feel doesn’t embody or meet the standards of who is chosen. Locally here in Calgary former Flame Theoren Fleury could also fit into the same category. I would wholeheartedly suggest you do a future documentary on Theo. Thanks again!
Awesome 😎… great idea! Thanks again.
Fleury's crazy views are not helping. Though I try to also remember the traumatic youth he experienced. Considering that and his small stature he put together an excellent career.
On the fence. . .WTF? You must sit on the HoF committee.
He is one of those guys you hated when he played cause he was so good against your team. Tough as nails, great competitor. HOF worthy
The hockey hall of fame has dropped the ball on so many deserving players as listed even in these comments. JR should be there as championships are and should not be the defining factor. He played the game tough and I respect the hell out of that . Ps I’m a Vancouver Canucks fan and I can see that this needs to happen
Great to hear Pat Foley announcing some highlights while in Chicago. As always, great job Pro Hockey Alumni.
Thx very much … I too really enjoy listening to Pat Foley and the excitement of Chicago Stadium! 🔥
He should be added to Hockey Hall of fame
I'm a Flyers Fan, He was GREAT in Philly & a BEAST in Chicago!!! His #'s Speak for themselves, His toughness on the Ice to Battle thru many injuries!! How he would Elevate his game in the biggest moments!!HOW CAN U NOT INDUCT HIM???
Entertaining player, Claude Lemieux 4 cups 3 teams, 1 Conn Smyth + 2nd behind P. Roy for MVP in 1986. 19 playoff game winning goals. Overtime goals, Series ending goals, cup winning goals. Hall of fame
All I can say is, if Pronger can be in the hall of fame, there’s no reason Roenick shouldn’t.
Very interesting video. Unfortunately, it as much or more of a hall of congeniality as a hall of fame. Based on his accomplishments, there's no question that Roenick belongs.
Rownick should definitely be in the HoF. Ty Cobb was in baseball. Both were outstanding players who seemed dirty sometimes & were not very liked but what a competitor Roenick was plus one of the very toughest guys as he had more broken facial & body bones than anyone I know of. He was awful for my Kings but I was in awe of him when he played for the Hawks. Also he had so many game-winning gials & moments. Vote him in already!
Don’t compare a mid tier player to a great like Cobb..
haha ya but cobb was the best hitter of his era. Roenick was a 10-15th in league scoring guy in his prime
GREAT HOCKEY PLAYER!! WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A TEAM FULL OF HIM!!
I miss the days of Jeremy Roenick and Brett Hull talking to reporters with zero filter. The NHL of today is a neutered, effeminate mess.
Yes, Jeremy Roenick should definitely be in Hall of Fame.
Yes!! As a janitor!! LOL. 😃
He is the most deserving of a HOF spot that currently isn’t in it. JR had two tendencies that the NHL doesn’t like. Speaking his mind, and repeating conversations that other NHL people didn’t want heard.
Roenick absolutely deserves be in Hall of Fame! Perfect player! 🙂👍
JR was one of the most talented, and toughest players I’d ever watched. To me he deserves to be in the hall of fame. Without a doubt. He breathed life into the NHL.
As a kid from the 90’s, its absolutely bonkers that Roenick & Mogilny is not in the HOF
This was an amazing career synopsis, I've always wondered why the Hockey Hall of Fame keeps on ignoring Roenick despite very Hall worthy numbers.
Thanks 🙏 very much appreciated!
He may have had some troublesome times, but many of the great athletes do. I say as long as he isn't a criminal, he should be in the Hall of Fame.
He belongs in the NHL Hall of Fame. Hands down one of the best playing "bad" guys.
Adding this not long after watching the video of JR getting the HOF call from Lanny McDonald. Incredibly well deserved!
Awesome 👏
I was lucky enough to see J.R play while at Thayer Academy. My ex brother-in-law played high school hockey & the 2 teams played against each other. It's always nice seeing talented players start out.
He’s one of my favorite players. He should be in the hall.
Jeremy Roenick should absolutely be in the hall of fame, even if you don’t account for his 500 goals- his intensity was unrivaled. Chicago fans will always consider him a Hall of Famer, and if the Hall of Fame doesn’t agree, they can kiss my *$$.
He’s a HOF-er he was an amazingly tough skilled hockey player who deserves to be in the HOF