We Finally Know What Happened On God Valley
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I feel like it makes more sense if Jinny is Bonnies mom since it's her flashback. Well Kuma's but still it has to do with her more than Luffy.
I agree with you especially since Kuma and Ivankov seem to have a strong friendship.
Boney like eat too and have pink hair soo Kumas wife :D
Big duh moment, they're smoking that good shit 😂
Not to mention ivankof didn't know dragon had a son
Agreed
I think Kuma's fruit fits him well because he wanted to be like Nika who free people from suffering. Remember that his fruit can LITERALLY take anything away from anybody, including pain. Maybe he met his fruit by fate.
Bro, kuma’s df is zoan and it says that the user adapts df’s characteristics
ah yes fate, the core of one piece, luffy making his own fate through his will
@@alishmael4618your comment starts with the forbidden toxic toxic fruit 🫣
Oda writes one piece in a lighter tone as compared to other dark mangas but when he decides to show the dark tones in his story they always get to me.
Tru
It's all about contrast
We could always expect messed up things happen in the story with a dark and gritty tone. However, messed up things used methodically on a story with (generally) lighter tone would caught us off guard and hit like a truck.
the shotgun through the head of kuma's dad after singin was truly hearthbreaking
When Oda is in a flashback he’s a different breed he’ll kill off so many people 😭
The entire story is dark. The only reason it doesn't seem dark to the reader. Is because you are follow the Luffy's story. Which is a tale of the will of someone named Joyboy, who used a devil fruit and passed it down. We are at the one finally chosen by the fruit to follow form with it. So the one that has the potential to complete the will of joyboy.
So you are watching the uplifting events unfold. If you rewatch the entire show. You will see every part of it is horrible and sad. Luffy is alone in a barrel and shows up on a pirate ship. Which is the normal thing in this world. Fill with people that are attacking another ship. Everyone but 1 person is mean and hateful. Then luffy beats them up and wins. Then continues to win. The only time we see a dark moment in the story. Is when ace is shown to us. Since we are watching most of the events through luffies eyes. We only see random moments of the real harsh world that is one piece.
Tbh there is barely any happiness. Why luffy's crew and ship is all about dreams. They are the crew of dreams that sails on the ship of dreams across the world to chase dreams. Why luffy's fruit power is dreams. He can make anything he can imagine come true. Basically Oda told us that luffy can make dreams come true.
imagine if xebec was actually not that bad of a person and was just like luffy and roger. and he had friends in god valley so when he saw what happened there he snapped and started killing everyone. that's when roger and garp came to stop him, and to cover up the "population eradication" game, they put the blame on xebec and that he's the one that killed everyone on the godvalley. and that's also why garp doesnt want to talk about it cause he was protecting the real criminals
I definitely think the events of God Valley are why Garp hates the CDs so much and why he keeps refusing promotion to Admiral (since Admirals are directly commanded by the CDs).
I think Rocks is an anti hero
Rocks and his crew are there because they sniffed the Devil Fruits as rewards for that CD human hunting event. They somehow succeeded because WB, Big Mom and Kaido got their fruits in exchange of Rocks Pirates disbanding and Rocks being dead.
@@scipioprime69 well certainly not Big Mom, cuz we know how she got her fruit. The rest could be true, or they just got them while being on the rescue mission, who knows at this point
@@scipioprime69 BM already has her fruit since she was a child
My idea for why Rocks was at God valley is because the WG used him as a scapegoat for their tournament in the first place. They basically blame the aftermath of their tournament on a pirate and Rocks found out about it. So he went there to spice things up. So when Rocks arrives most of the natives and slaves are already dead, he attacks the celestial dragons they call the nearest marine which is Garp hunting Roger. And Roger and Garp team up since they see the carnage and assume it has been done by the Rocks pirates because it matches the news from the newspaper. It's possible that Whitebeard protects Kuma, Ivankov and Jinny from Garling and hands them over to a rookie marine named Dragon. In the aftermath of the skirmish Dragon would have told Garp that the Celestial Dragons were the real culprits and Roger would know that Whitebeard is an okay guy.
Interesting.
Woah.. I like this theory
W theory
Would make sense why Garp turned down the admiral position. This theory is 🔥
Im pretty sure everyone in the world knew the celestial dragons held these tournaments when all these races are disappearing and some got free to hear their stories and it happened every 3 years. They have no reason to hide that, because they dont care, plus why would roger come all the way to god valley as well? Was he on garps ship and wanted to be a marine at first and tagged along with his buddy garp? 😂 dont add up
When Sanji took those attacks from Queen and from the Jinbei Seraphim, pay attention to the positioning of his eyebrow. Sanji is at his most powerful when his eyebrow changes its position.
I believe that is to represent him becoming like his brother since they have their eyebrows opposite to sanji normal eyebrows, only after he used the raid suit and awakened his germs gene does he have the same eyebrows as his brother but it change back when he destroy the raid suit
@@victorcruiser4387germs genes💀
I think Ginny is Bonney’s mom, not Luffy’s mom. Both Luffy and Bonney love eating, hence the possible confusion. Here’s my theory, Kuma and Ginny eventually get together and Bonney is Kuma’s biological kid thru Ginny (Both have pink hair, love eating). Or..Ginny eventually gets pregnant (not from Kuma), gives birth to Bonney, but through some unfortunate event, is dying and can’t take care of Bonney. So, Ginny ends up giving Bonney over to Kuma as this incredible sense of trust and love she’ll probably have for him. Both options still show us that Kuma and Bonney are a father daughter thing…..or Ginny is just a rando that dies in the next flashback.
*update - Figure I try to make an update after reading some of the comments, 1 new possibility could be that Bonney is a clone of Ginny, who probably gets to know vegapunk while being with Kuma and then dies, but who really knows at this moment?
Also, yes technically we don’t know what Ginny’s color hair is at the moment…but c’mon. It’s probably pink, or purple, or blue, or even red. Point is, we’ll find out eventually
We do not know ginny hair color
@@kodestroyer9957 We know it isn't black at least.
bro i was about to comit something like this
Thanks for voicing my thoughts. It's funny how Ohara uses a picture of Jinny with pink hair (I know it's not official) but doesn't even consider that she might be Bonney's mom.
@alexanderberezin9052 it is most likely because someone else edits it and did not put a note or something else afterwards
Ginny is more likely Bonney’s mom, but never Luffys’, if we are hypothesizing that Dragon is going to take them in, that means Ginny and Kuma are closer in age and also were enslaved together. Their story and age aligns more than anyone else
You skipped the part where Saturn sees Luffy on the floor and IMMEDIATELY tries to kill him. He was playing with the rest of them but I believe this is a hint that he is clearly afraid of Nika.
TUDUM TUDUM TUDUM
That’s the sign of a future ass whooping !
bro facts
DUM DUM DA TA DUM DUM DA TA.....
Duh cuz if he lets nika Alice he’s only gonna get stronger
It sounds like Kuma is going to have another big part in helping luffy, and it also fits how his devil fruit number is missing from the crew, maybe between him knowing luffy's heart beat, and chopper, they will be able to reverse the damage that Luffy has done to himself over the years, along with helping luffy understand he's devil fruit better.
my guess is Egghead ends with Kuma arriving and as his last act teleporting the Straw Hats, the Sunny, the Vegapunk's and Bonney directly to Elbaf before ultimately blasting the entire island and their Seraphim production to dust with a last Ursus Shock before either getting killed by Saturn or simply dying cause of his previous injuries.
I would also find it interesting if he sends the four Seraphim's with them. It's extremely noteworthy that the four Seraphim currently on Egghead are the four original Warlords that are actually good people and have no beef with Luffy (Hancock, Mihawk, Bear and Jimbei) while the three others currently not present on the island are the three evil ones Luffy beat (Doffy, Moria and Crocodile). it would be really interesting to have the four Seraphim develop their own personalities and free will while around the Strawhats.
@@kingkatsudark2473
Bro you spitting smoothly
Jinny has to be Bonney's mom, and the meat she's eating is to reference the "glutton". Also, remember Ivankov didn't know where dragon came from, and was surprised to find out he had a son. It wouldn't make any sense because clearly Iva already knows Jinny here 🤷♀️
Correct. People keep forgetting past information as and when new chapters come up.
@@jogendrajoshi7327 I mean bruh it's one piece shit to big for even daticated one piece youtubers
I think the fact that Saturn compared the strawhats to other pirate crews because they work together and look out for each other and found that interesting is a strong nod that he was there when they threw down with the rocks pirates who are known for in-fighting
Can we just emphasize what an absolute unit Sabo is? Saturn is capable of this with just an eye and Sabo got away from all five plus Emu with just a stab, then reported all of this to Dragon.
@KereTista-km9ck I love Cobra and all and he bravely gave his life against monsters but a single one can blow up people's heads in a second. With all do respect as nice of a sentiment I don't think he made all much of a difference.
More like a plot hole. I'm convinced oda came up with this power for him this chapter 😂 but pure gold
@KereTista-km9ck not for nothing we haven’t seen Sabos full strength with his fruit or all of his abilities so it’s not unlikely that he could have escaped with his own merit
Sabo no diffs all 5
Sabo is probably pirate king level at that time 😂😂
The God Valley event should just be it's own movie
However, if the final one piece Sage ends?
Garling definitely looks like Shanks. But not as much as I was picturing when I first read "[Garling] looks exactly like Shanks but with a different hairstyle" in the spoilers. But wither way, I love his design! Ivankov and Kuma knowing each other for 38 years makes the scene of Ivankov seeing Kuma has lost his memories and personality at Marineford even more tragic. I don’t think Jinny is Luffy’s mom. Because I feel like Ivankov would’ve been able to guess that Jinny was his mom when he heard Dragon was Luffy’s dad in Impel Down. Given their similarities in face shape and height, I wouldn’t be surprised if we found out Whitebeard was a Buccaneer, too. The Buccaneers are really interesting. The Lunarians seemed to be destroyed because they lived atop the Red Line and the Celestials wanted it for themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if the Buccaneers' crime was solely worshipping Nika.
She isn't going to be Luffy's mom but she likely will be Boni's mom.
I mean...Jinny being Luffy's mom makes no sense, since Ivankov should have recognized Luffy if Luffy was the son of Iva's little sister
and there's also the fact that...Jinny is probably around 9 in the flashback, same age as Kuma...while Dragon would be 17 at the time of the flashback
so yeah...all evidence is pointing to Bonney as Jinny's kid, not Luffy
@samfisher6606 I think the buccaneers crime was the birth of joy boy being that he had the powers of Nika as well. I think they’re blood line is blamed for all the things he did against the world government.
Assuming joy boy is a buccaneer
Honestly he doesn't look that much, not enough for me to believe they're related
It's like how Robin looks like Hancock
Or how Sabo looks like blonde Ace, just the author style
They're probably related but we need more actual connections other than character designs
I’m loving kuma flashback it’s making sense for him to believe in nika he was always carrying a bible with him kuma is such a interesting character
It's already been said, but I'll go ahead and say it, Jinny is most likely Bonney's mother. Remember, Ivankov had no idea Dragon had a son until Luffy himself told him, so whether he and Jinny are biological siblings or not, it stands to reason she'd tell him if she had a child. Jinny also had a similar sounding name and greater physical resemblance to Bonney. And, Luffy is not the only character shown in the present to like eating meat.
It’s never stated he didn’t know Dragon had a son Ivankov just didn’t know Luffy was Dragon’s son. It’s possible he knew Dragon had a son just didn’t know it was Luffy.
@@ittorasetsuxx8077 nope, it clearly stated that Ivankov didn't know. I know that translations are a bit messed up but in the anime Ivankov said "Musuko ga itta no?" which directly translate to He/Dragon has a son?. I think he know that he has a family but not a child.
Update: jinny IS bonney's mom
But kuma wasn't her biological father
He was her father FIGURE
Her actual father was a celestial
Remember last time we saw Imu, he/she said it was almost time for the great cleansing. Meanwhile this tournament the Celestial Dragons did always happened after 3 years.. That means it might have not stopped and we might get to see it again since it's almost been a full 3 years since Luffy set out to sea.
"Remember last time we saw Imu, he/she said it was almost time for the great cleansing."
No. The Gorosei said it. Imu hasn't said a word yet.
@@sericsson1996 Well Professor Oak, who ever said it does not change the point I'm trying to make?.
Also in the chapter, when the nika silhouette is shown, it seems he is holding a sword in right hand (Right Hand Zoro) and a heart shape spear in his left hand (Left Hand Sanji)
that's nice detail, great job.
That's actually makes sense cuz sanji is a defensive person ( his exoskeleton) and zoro is an offensive person ( no need to explain) so sanji and zoro is luffy's actual shield and spear
@@extremelynoobgaming4742 I love this explanation. They both called wings and we are familiar how wings can used as both offensive and defensive in a lot of other lore and characters
Okay, so I like this theory about Saint Figarland being shanks father. There's one thing I'm confused about. I'm currently re-reading one piece right now, and on chapter 9, the little snippet before the chapter actually starts.
" It is the golden age of piracy. Counselors pirates sail the seas, searching for legendary pirate Gold Rogers mysterious treasure, the "One piece" among them is Monkey D Luffy, who grew up listening to the wild tales of buccaneer "Red-haired", shanks and dreaming of becoming a pirate himself."' In this part of one piece pre timeskip, it refers to shanks as a buccaneer, a special race that is nearly extinct in which Kuma is confirmed to be a part of.
Lol I was about to ask about this theory regarding figarland being shanks father. Ohara please make a video titled shanks' mystery father
I think the point of Oda showing Sanji tanking that hit from the seraphim was to emphasise just how powerful Saturn is. That seems like something he would do and the point was definitely made.
Don't forget that Sanji's eyebrow didn't change when he got hit by Saturn but change when he got hit by Fake Jimbei.
the wharf effect
@@farishakim6759just stop
Can we just say that Oda is insane, that man does whatever he feels like
Oda was COOKING this chapter. So many hype and heart breaking moments. Can’t wait till the next chapter comes out 😩
that's every chapter wdym bro
@@chairfiWell, the Pot's definitely bubbling over now. There's Luffy fighting an Admiral for five chapters, and then there's a Member of the Gorosei using a Devil Fruit that turns him into a literal Devil while we are getting a God Valley flashback.
@@newil_yovac fr
Dont you think it’s possible for the Gorosei and Imu to have 2 Devil Fruits? I mean, they’re immortal and have been around forever. Also, there’s no way that Blackbeard is the ONLY CHARACTER in the series to be able to consume 2 devil fruits. If anyone would have the knowledge on how it’s possible it should be the Gorosei and Imu
This is the perfect chance to give us the revolutionary's back story, Revolutionary/Kuma/Godvalley/Roger/Garp/Rocks this is going to be an amazing flashback. This is probably the 2nd most anticipated flashback in all of One Piece. This flashback will most likely be better than the Void Century flashback.
“Most likely be better than the void century flash back”. I don’t think you can make such a claim 😂
I swear, God's valley would be the Marineford arc of the flashback, everything is so interconnected on that one event. Rocks, Roger Pirate, Garp, Shanks, Figarlands and Tenryuubitos, and now even the revolutionaries too?
We could as well as see young Dragon in God Valley too, maybe as Marine cadet on Garp's ship.
@@ReturnOfGodEnelI'm saying it, because of how invested the audience is in the characters of Kuma's flashback. Compared to the characters of the void century.
@@Smkymcpott85 and it trumps the unknown of the backstory that is what the entire story is leading up to? Already?
@ReturnOfGodEnel Yes, like I said it's the connection to the characters that the audience has. The idea of the unknown isn't better than the known. Believe what you want, we can wait and see.
I just learned even more in this video than chaper 1095, which I didn't think was possible. The power of this man is unimaginable.
I hope the God Valley flashbacks continue in the next chapter, and I assume it's just moment before the Rocks Pirates attack that island. I don't think that Rocks would have liberated these slave tournament participants out of the goodness of his heart, but maybe there was a member of some race he desired among them. Alternatively, Big Mom attacked the island first to get some races for her future kingdom and the Rocks Pirates joined her later.
ROCKS pirates probably want to hunt the gods knights, like the celestials want to hunt slaves. Then Roger and garp show up when hearing about the ruckus.
But big mom was already a part of rocs crew by this time
@@matkaman I mean, Big Mom was on this island, her motive was that she wanted to kidnap some rare races, the Government stopped her, then the Rocks Pirates came to her rescue, then the Government called Garp and Roger came with him
@Black170pl no Big Mom came with the Rocks pirates as she was still a member if that crew. She along with the other members didn't make their own crews until after Rocks defeat.
@@Black170pl roger isn’t some mongrel pup, he can’t be called especially not by the world government, there definitely is an external factor for Rogers appearance.
I’m honestly thinking that the Rocks crew might have been trying to protect the island. The only wrench in this thought process is “Why the heck did Rodger teamed up with Garp/WG to take down Rocks?”. So yes, the Rocks pirates were a band of mischiefs, but let’s not forget, the WG is the one who interprets stories and controls how history will be remembered. Although he might have been part of Rocks; Whitebeard is a good guy, and he’d for sure would have wanted to help an island in need. Big Mom, in her own way, is a good person. Most recently, we saw how mad she got when she heard from Otama that Okobere town had been attacked by the beast pirates. Finally, when it comes to Kaido, his motivation was probably not protecting the island, but attacking the Celestial Dragons. We saw from his teenage year that he hates the WG/leaders. I really like this idea, but again I just can’t come up with a good reason as to why Rodger teamed up with Garp. If the Rocks crew had bad intentions, then the island is doomed regardless giving Rodger no reason to step in. Unless the WG lied to Rodger and the rest of the world and that’s why Rodger and Garp teamed up
Rocks must have sniffed the tournament happening in there with the devil fruits involved. Whitebeard, Big Mom and Kaido maybe didnt have their DF powers at that time ( especially Kaido) thats why Rocks went there so his commanders would have a power up. Marines went there and told Roger of the chaos Rocks pirates could do if they successfully take all of that devil fruits. Roger seeing Rocks as his rival went there but Rocks already succeeded in taking the devil fruits for his commanders. Just like what Blackbeard is doing right now hunting Devil Fruits. But the Marines and Roger took down Rocks while his commanders managed to escape. Rocks could have sacrificed himself just like what Garp have done in Pirate Island to get Koby and other young marines to escape.
I have zero idea why people think Jinny is Luffy’s mom. Jinny is very clearly related to Bonney (pink hair, massive food is also related to Bonney’s eating habits, Kuma being present and knowing her).
Dude, Occam’s Razor clearly points towards Jinny being related to Bonney, not Luffy. Don’t forget that Jinny is Ivankov’s sister too, so if Jinny was Luffy’s mom that would make Ivankov Luffy’s uncle (aunt?) despite the fact that Ivankov never knew about Dragon having a family. There’s no way she’s Luffy’s mom.
The word for "big brother" that jinny uses in the japanese doesnt nessecarily mean sibling, its the same one that frankie's subordinates called him (aniki). It CAN show blood relation, but it really doesnt have too. Especially since there is another word which means "big brother" which ONLY refers to your actual sibling, and she choose not to use that one.
@@random.3665except whether or not they are blood related if they are close enough to call each other siblings then Ivan would be aware of her having a son with dragon. Something they only suspected to be possible because Dragon always faces the East Blue. If they knew about there being a child of their sister the only surprise would have been that Luffy in particular happened to show up there. Plus there would not have been that whole confusion about Ace also being Dragon's son.
@@adventwolfbane Oh right, I didn’t even think about the Ace part. Yeah, Jinny is 110% not Luffy’s mom.
Tbh, at this point I don’t even wanna know who Luffy’s mom is. She’s ironically the most irrelevant mother in One Piece imo (outside of doing the whole birthing Luffy thing, lol)
the problem is 80% of the fandom is so desprate for their theories/head canons to be true they jump on every chance they can get to try and be right in the hopes of one day hitting one theory. they see a young smiling girl that is eating some meat and immediately they go "girl + meat + smiling = Luffy's mom" and seriously if eating meat and grinning is enough evidence then Lucky Roux is as much a candidate for Luffy's mom as this random ass girl that only appeared in a single panel so far
@@kingkatsudark2473 lucky roux 😂
One piece and Vinland saga are the best stories to display the sufferings faced by the slaves.
She would be Bonney's mother based on the timing and could explain Ivankov and Kumar's strong friendship.
So she was killed and Kuma decided to raise her daughter?
16:30 If Jinny IS Juffy's mother, then Emporio had no reason to ask Dragon about his family in flashback during Impel Down
Don't forget that God Valley had the 6 chests of prizes which are likely to be devil fruits! I think Rocks knew about the tournaments and their prizes and raided the island BECAUSE there's a tournament on it, not because it's any specific island.
I also thought about this theory but the one thing bothering me is why roger is also in there at god valley what is he's main goal in that particular island..
Could be the same reason as Rocks, they know about the tournament, there's a powerful devil fruit there and all the sides across the globe who know of the situation think it's worth risking everything for that power. @@Goblin_Slayer69
i bet roger won the nika fruit
@@Goblin_Slayer69I think Rogers involvement is purely cause he was threatened by Rocks and wanted to get rid of him. So Garp asks him for help to take Rocks down and he just jumped on the opportunity
That wouldn't make sense since we know Shanks retrieved it from a marine escort. @@Karont3s0
What if this incident was the reason Fujitora blinded himself? He might have been invited to come guard some of Celestial Dragons but saw the atrocities and decided the world wasn't worth seeing.
He would be in his teens. So unless he was tagging along someone important there is no reason he would be there. He only joined the Marines during the timeskip as well only.
I think Jinny is Bonney's mother, wich potentially connects Bonney to God Valley in some way
I think so too
She was probably the previous holder of the fruit of age and when she died Kuma gave the fruit to her daughter
Looking at how many devil fruits possibly being obtained in God Valley, i think the purpose Rocks went there is to collect some devil fruits. That makes the parallel between Blackbeard and Rocks better
Kuma is gonna come to Egghead. There is no way Oda won't miss a chance for Kuma to save Bonney and i really want Luffy to get back into Gear 5 again so that Kuma will see Nika one time before he sacrifice himself and die
We know Kuma said to Luffy at Sabaody 2 years ago like: We will never meet again
Both Kuma and Dragon coming to Egghead. 100%
your comment gave me a goosebump. What an amazing story we are witnessing fr
But kuma is in front of akainu in marijeo
@@sinanmohd4625 He use his devil fruit to get out of Mariejois. He escape
@@sinanmohd4625he’s climbing the wall so he can paw paw himself to egghead
Yea but i think he meant he wouldn't meet him in the sense of hea just a shell now and not Kuma, but youre right.
This is easily one of the darkest chapters in the manga, and the flashback is going to get darker still. After all these years, the Celestial Dragons can still somehow shock us with their evil.
My favorite Devil Fruit is the Pika Pika no Mi and it is followed by the Nikyu Nikyu no Mi. You can imagine how much I love this arc.Oda has been trolling us with Luffy vs Kizaru because he's clearly annoyed with all the insane powerscaling seniors for even trying to compare Yonkos and Admirals so painstakingly.Let me just focus on Kuma.He started as a SLAVE , he ended up a TYRANT. Talk about epic character journey...
In the panel where the "event" is announced seems like there are visible 6 treasure's chests. Could it be that in one of them there'd be a little red-haired boy to be found? Which kind of treasures a Celestial Dragon might aspire to have, as they got everything they want? I can't wait to see the story unfold and understand the truth about Xebec, Roger and Garp.
I think this chapter could answer few unsolved questions like..
1. How did fisher tigher escape from celestisl dragons ?
- as shown in this chapter every few year celestial dragons hold eradication tournament & just like kuma ,fisher tiger got chance to escape free from them & he was a fishman so he just needed to jump in sea to escape (unlike regular human need boat or something)
- slves were bounded with chain around their neck but i think at that time there was no exploding chain lock around neck
(We do not see those on ivankove ,kuma & others)
2. Why did fujitora blinded himself ?
- just like this chapter ,he might have witnessed the massacre of many many innocent people by celestial dragons
Fisher tiger liberated slaves from the holy land and they are not gonna dirty the place with the blood of inferior insects scums so no
fsihertiger can just stole the keys or use haki to free salves.
@@sarthakarora3212 He doesn't even need Haki. It would be easy for a fish-man karate master to break handcuffs
I always have this question. We've seen a lot of the slave are strong people. Pirates, fish men, etc. A lot of the were captured when they were adults and I think they would already had some haki training. Why no one try to break the chains them self. We see the chains break in wano with haki, so why no one tried it?
I've been hearing that Shanks was found in a chest, making it seem like he was also a prize. And his father was probably trying to win him back, or there's a possibility he gave up his son up as a prize. While the pirates were looting the prizes, Roger probably ended up taking Shanks, probably feeling bad for him.
It's possible, yes.
Spoiler>/spoiler>
One reason I thought Shanks and Garling were related was his meeting with the Gorosei.
The earlier, rougher translations had Shanks saying "there's a certain man I want to talk to you about."
But the official translation was "pirate". So he's talking about someone else... (blackbeard? shiki?the man "marked by flames"?
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We have to give some extra credits to Sabo for withstand such power n didn't get paralyze at all even in front of all 5 gorosei plus imu...
Gotta say, i enjoy your way of talking and making Videos. Most reviews of One Piece Chapters are way way more sensational and you know the "This blows our mind; everything just changed; etc."
Our legend is back
Video idea: The entire devil system ranked in one video
Yeah, God Valley seems to be home to a number of powerful devilfruits. But I think devilfreuits could have been only for the celestials. And thats even why they live so far away from water. I dunno
The op devil fruits were probally in the boxes as an reward for the tournament. This would make more sense because those boxes look the same as luffy's fruits box.
Saturn was the one who gave the deadly disease to Gol D. Roger. Saturn's special power is to give incurable diseases. Maybe he'll give it to luffy but Chopper is the one who will find the cure and save Luffy.
Why u think that
@@Saadking47 Because he read it online
@@znoozaros no because gyuki (saturns devil fruit powers) can give incurable diseases
I don't feel like he's big enough for that
I'd talher have the final villain (maybe imu) doing that than one of the five elders
We're talking about Gol D.Roger here, the first King of The Pirates. His death being caused by Saturn sounds not strong enough
So Saturn gave roger a incurable disease that took 12-13 years to be fatal instead of going to war with him which would of dealt with him much sooner?
It would be so cool to see the whole crew come together to fight Saturn, we haven’t had something like that since thriller bark, imagine seeing the straw hats now as a full on yonko crew fighting together, it would be cool, and imagine the world reacting to the news that they’d taken Saturn down
I'm worried about Robin if this happen. Saturn easily captured bonney. If the SHP all there he would definitely captured or killed Robin immediately.
Kuma, Giants from Elbaf and Dragon with Ivankov and other revolutionaries could save the strawhats. Dragon once again would save knowledge as what he did in Ohara. Vegapunk joining Dragon would be the best ending as he would be safe there doing his research about void century as Dragon have the books from Ohara.
God valley could also be thriller bark. If you look at the shape of the island it matches moria's ship. Maybe that's why god valley disappeared. And also captain john was one of Moria's zombies and he was part of rock's crew maybe captain john died on god valley . Also thriller bark is located in the west blue which is were god valley is located.
Not to mention why would the gorosei want doflamingo to kill moria and why would Blackbeard want him now? Oda is cookin
@@ReturnOfGodEnel broo thats wild. oda is fr cookin
when i read this, my jaw genuinely dropped, ive read a reddit theory like a year ago that says this. cant believe that guy might actually be right
Thriller Bark is on the Grand Line... they strawhats didnt went to to the west blue after they left the eastblue, or do u think moria travelled with thriller bark from the west blue over reverse mountain to the grandline..???
Maybe moriah didn't go to reverse mountain.They can cross through calm belt with seastone , remember? @@huntpredator6359
Big News Helmeppo (Big news Morgan’s predecessor) spreaded the information of 6 powerful DFs as prize for the winners of God Valley to the underworld. Roger Was chasing the Nika fruit. So he followed all bread crumbs he could find. So he participated in the battle and took one treasure chest with himself but Shanks was hidden in there.
Xebec was hunting for the strongest just like Blackbeard in the current story. So he participated God Valley with his whole crew.
Linlin already got her DF in her youth but was capable of chasing one chest and took the fruit with her. As the world government and marines were about to win the battle, she gave the fruit to Kaido. In return he had to take her off the island with his new dragon abilities.
Whitebeard got the Gura Gura no mi, but was chased down by Garling. As he was distracted by the bad tasting fruit(distraction is his curse), Garling could injure him deeply. But thanks WB‘s Bucanneer genes he could survive the injuries. He then created a tsunami of healing water(reference to the sake, shanks brought) and healed a bunch of injured pirates, who called him Pops from now on.
Together they could overcome Garling and escape the battlefield.
Rocks fought Saturn and couldn’t stand a chance. Saturn stabs him through the heart, but enables Rocks mythical Yomi Yomi DF, type Schroedinger‘s cat (rocks Jolly Roger has the shape of Brooks ghost form, he is now both dead and alive). Switching to his ghost form his ghost escapes into the parallel underworld (similar to Bruno’s door door world) but his physical body was blown apart by Saturn Demon Wink.
So he followed whitebeard in the parallel underworld until Whiteboard recruited a young Teach with a strange body (Gen defect: two hearts, giant blood and human bloods) and considered him to be the perfect shell for his second life so he stabs the giant heart with his demonic shadow powers (reference to original Blackbeard Thatch flag, horned devil stabs a heart)
From that day on the young Teach was only himself by night and got to hear of the cruel things his alter ego was doing daily, unable to sleep, crying through the whole night(reference to SBS: Teach as a child)
My theory is that Rocks attacked the island to take the world nobles hostage. A large group like that would obviously a powerful bargaining chip with the WG. When they however refused his demands (whatever they were), he probably threatened to kill everyone one the island (including the islanders, slaves, and Celestial dragons), which is when roger interfered.
Why is no one talking about how Saturn still looks the same as the flashback? I think it confirmed that the five elders are not human.
i want ohara to make a series where he will explain every to detail for fans like me
I think Jinny is bonnie's mom. Unless we see dragon as somewhat young too, then we can talk about her being luffy's. But as of now it's pretty much hinted at as bonnie's
Let's also not forget that bonnie is also a glutton. She might've gotten that from jinny.
There is a possibility that the event is called a great cleansing and that it hasn’t stopped at all since we know they said it’s about time for another one
Kuma Backstory is a Mental Breakdown for the fans...
Best written character imo...
a review with this ammount of editing out so fast is insane to me
Did you notice the 6 chests surrounding the Celestial Dragon that was announcing the tournament? Perhaps each of those chests contained a devil fruit...
Or a Shanks
@@Sciborg9 Shanks is in a chest as a result of one of the Rocks pirates commander ate a devil fruit and found Shanks lying somewhere. As Marines and Roger arrived, putting a baby Shanks in a chest would be the safest option. Whitebeard or BigMom could be the one who put Shanks in a chest.
While I think it is more obvious of Jinny being the mother of Bonny (Oda and his similar names for the family again) there is one thing that broke my heart when thinking about the last page:
Ivankov and Kuma knew each other for so long. Jinny being Iva's sister (If not biologically, they at least treat each other like it). When Iva faced Kuma at Marine Fort...seing what happen to his comrade, what happend to his friend, what happend to his brother in law perhaps? How close they must have been over the years and the confrontation of his friend being just gone. It just hurts to think about.
There is a details that is bugging me in this chapter. The panel where the hunt is announced the one that does , is standing at a high ground platform with 6 (i think ) pillars and each one has a box on the top. Many times we have seen devil fruits be put in boxes like this , so maybe, those are like rewards for the celestial dragons with the best performance on the hunt ( we saw Garling losing some king of points relative to the hunt) and that's the target of Xebec?
i don't think that if those were DF's that they were the targets of Rocks. it wouldn't make much sense for him and his crew to attack the Government and World Nobles for six totally random and possibly highly useless devil fruits of which he would ultimately have no idea what they would do unless he had pictures of all six fruits in those boxes plus a book about all at that time known DF's (like the one Sanji had as a kid when he looked at the Invisibility fruit).
but that would at least explain how Big Mom just randomly happened to be carrying the dragon DF during the God Valley incident and only gave it to Kaido during God Valley and not at some point before. if that's the case it could be very likely that four of those were the DF's of Whitebeard, Kaido, Ivankov and Kuma
@@kingkatsudark2473 if there's 6 df, maybe there's also one of it that's dragon's? Dragon maybe also there with garp and he got hold of one of the priced df.
@@kingkatsudark2473 because kuma, wb, iva, and kaido's fruits all are so op and dangerous. And we at least teased that dragon maybe have a df and it's related to wheater. In alabasta the storm that flew the straw hats are quite strong (I think that's when he even doesn't use the maximum power of the df).
So dumb for people to think Jinny is Luffys mom; everyone forgot jewelry bonnys moniker is "the glutton" / "Big-Eater"
Very obviously Kuma sticks it in
I'd make the case that Saturn does not have a devil fruit. Usually whenever a new character with a fruit power is introduced, it shows a box with their name, title/rank and what there devil fruit name is. Saturn wasn't shown to have a named fruit. Combine that with the point that he appears to not age over the course of almost 40 years, he might actually just be some kind of mythical creature/demon that when killed becomes a new devil fruit
kaido was the same though.
We learn the MC real devil fruit after 25 years. 😂
What if Saturn actually summoned a demon from hell, and it possessed him through the pentagram. That could be what he meant by "it's been so long since I've been to the surface"
Just a theory-- i think roger came to god valley to fight stronger opponents and xebec came to island because maybe he wanted obtain something that he knew or he too came there just to fight as we know he wanted to become the king of the world meanwhile garp headed to god valley unofficially (as a member of sword) as the illegal activities were conducted by the celestial dragons so i dont think they would allow marines to interrupt them. Roger saw the unruly tyranny of the celestial dragons and was moved by the grief of slaves so he may have decided to fight along with garp against the CDs. Even though having garling by their side it was too much for the CDs to handle both roger, his crew and garp so the CDs may have tried to bribe xebec and made him fight along with them but still got defeated. But by the recent chapters there has been speculations that the scar on wb chest was given by garling going by the conversation of wb and shanks. Dont know whats gonna happen ☮️✌️
Might be something along those lines.
I reckon it's more of, Xebec wanted riches and power, God valley had both of that in Garland and the island itself. Roger, not wanting to risk someone as insane as Xebec may have been getting that, he teamed up with Garp and Garland.
Garland seems like a tyrant now but he may have seen in Roger what he saw in Garp. Someone that can give his son a better life.
This makes Sabo's escape more impressive
Plot armor
Pretty sure Jinny is Bonney's mother. The pink hair (maybe?) and the fact that she likes meat are strong hints.
But also she's around the same age as Kuma so we can easily speculate that they will fall in love and have Bonney before Jinny inevitably dies.
Luffy likes meat too 😂 not that i agree with his theory
@@W_Junior I know Luffy likes meat man 😂
Why do people suggest pink hair as a hint to be Bonney's mom? It wasn't officially pink. We don't know the color yet. It was a fan color panel.
@@sarabakhshi3162people jumping to conclusion way too fast as usual
@@kodestroyer9957 that’s literally what theories are, I mean it doesn’t hurt to speculate. Who does it bother?
1.I think dragon was marine , after Seeing cruelty of celestial dragons, he rescued all celestial dragons and took away with Jim , that's why he is the worst criminal in history .
2.May be kuma, dragon, wb,kaido, all got df from there .
3.May be crocodile was also a slave like kuma , saved by dragon, that's why when he heard luffy is dragon's son, by respecting his saviour he helped luffy .
4.May be rocks pirates wanted DF, just like BB , that's why they attacked god valley . Roger stopped them , because may be rocks was evil , and he wanted to destroy everything on that island including innocents present there .
5. May be luffy and bunny are brother and sisters , and just like Roger handed ace to garp for his safety, dragon handed , luffy to garp and bunny to kuma, that's why bunny is not gaint looking like kuma .
getting break every 3 weeks is ridicilous oda planning to make one piece go for another 20 years
Same thought bro
what a jackass statement, he has the same work schedule as someone working on a oil rig. just be thankfull for this magnificent work,
Yeah so u want oda to b in the situation that black clover mangaka is in.. I don't mind him taking breaks.. He works for 19 hours a day ffs
@@preetham9641 he doesnt work 19 hours a day where are you getting it from
Considering his spider-like appearance and the fact that people can not move freely and are suffering attacks from smth invisible it strongly reminds me the Doflamingo's power. I would at least assume that this is the spider net we are talking about, that doesn't allow everybody to move. Also the part where he mentions that he comes to the surface extremely rarely, his demonic appearance and the fact that he came through some sort of pictogram that look like a summoning portal makes me wonder if it actually can be the true Saturn's body that is usually controlling his human version as a puppet made of the strings or he is a straight forward summoned demon himself.
Unless it's lost in translation there's no reference to Marygeoise when he talks about coming to the surface. Given the Redline is "surface", it seems, to me, that this is a reference to something else, perhaps his DF/Demon powers.
I would think Jinny is Bonney's mom rather than Luffy's. Would be more relevant to this Kuma flashback and Bonney is also a notoriously big eater. Also 99.99% sure she dies by the end of this flashback.
you kinda contradicted your own sentence...for Jinny to be Bonney's mother, she would have to survive beyond the flashback
@@xxmension04xx47 Let me clarify. I think the flashback will cover more than just this event 38 years ago. I assume it's covering the main events in Kuma's life which will include why Bonney is currently mad at Saturn for "killing Kuma", which as far as we know happened right before Marineford. Even if she was speaking more indirectly, it certainly has to include events leading up to when he was in the revolutionary army.
I was curious about what looked like the "rewards" in one panel. The chests, it made me wonder if like blackbeard, rocks was searching for a specific fruit, and the rewards were devil fruit(possibly including the one he wanted). I dont know how "plot" helping it would be, but rodger hearing about having to stop rocks from his voice of all things stepped up and convinced garp to help him? I also thought ginny was bonnies mom?
Possibly satrun may have restritions to his abylity, like if he was omnipotent why didnt he just finish off bonnie or luffy with his abylity instead of tryin to stomp luffy and have bonnie shot. Some sort of limit based on fear or perception? (Similar to big mom) I wonder if his abylities are tied in some way to the yokai that his fruit is designed after?
Just my thoughts on that chapter.
I'm kind of speculating that someone among the Gorosei has the ability to freeze time on people. but not like the Dio version where all time stops. I'm thinking someone froze the gorosei in a certain state and now they will forever be in that state no matter what. for ex Saturn was frozen when he was an old man already the stab in his chest healed and disappeared because when he was originally frozen that wound didn't exist.
In chapter 1086, Ivan said the Imu might be immortal due to immortality devil fruit (Ope Ope No Mi). So I think the Gorosei made slaves or other powerful individuals perform the immortality ability on them as well. That's most likely why the are immortal
Notice the 6 boxes on that panel? Someone said that those might contain legendary devil fruits, eg. Kuma's, Whitebeard's and Big Mom's.
Rocks might have attacked God Valley because of those Devil Fruits or atleast take the prizes of the tournament for themselves. Rings a bell? Yes, Dressrosa, exactly.
big mom got her power by eating mother carmel alive. see flashback
I think it’s Kumas, whitebeards, kaidos, bonnies, laws and blackbeards
@@Karont3s0 yah I mean Kaido's, given by Big Mom. My bad.
Kuma's story is getting sadder and sadder he died without getting to know JoyBoy that he was told about and waited his whole life for
For me it looks like jinny is bonneys mom, they have the same hair color and both of them love to eat. Plus it is kumas backstory. Furthermore i read somewhere that written in japanese bonney and jinny are written with very simmilair kanjis
Idea:what if luffy was in the past eara with whitebeard,roger,rocks,etc
Ohara didn't you notice when one celestial dragon who announcing about turnament on God valley have 6 treasure chest on his both sides😮😮
Could be devil fruits. My shoots are: Crocodile's df, Ivankow's, Kuma's, Dragon's, Kaido's and blackbear's df. Also could be that one of those chests is one where Shanks was found.
@@Mat1sh bro i also thought same about this chest because without any power or skill no one can survive in that hell I think kuma ate his df from one of the chest with ivankow and use his power like he use on sabaody on straw hat crew this is the only way thay can survive what you think about this theory?
@@CruyffTalk It's possible but so much more can happen if there will be also roger and rock's group.
@@Mat1sh I am 100% sure one of the box contains kaido df and may be rocks know about this tournament and the df as prize and rocks want's to acquire this df and when rocks come on the God valley marines make buster call and garp come to knock rock d Xebec and with Roger and garp maybe garling fight with whitebeard and give the lagendry scar to him on his chest but I can't decode the reason why Roger was there on God valley Only GODA know.
if people theorize that the left eye of the skull island is laftail then the island on zneshia is laftail and it makes sense cause he was joyboys aly and that island n his back looks like the missing left eye.
I know that if Luffy were to learn the "dark side" of Shanks, he may not care. However, wouldn't some of Luffy's friends & allies end up having different opinions on Luffy's fellow Emperor?
My headconan is that Shanks already told Luffy .
Not really. The entire point of the crew is that they don't let their past define them and instead strive forward towards their dreams. The only way to change their opinion of Shanks from whatever it currently is would require Shanks to betray them majorly.
@adventwolfbane i mean i think shanks told Luffy 12 years ago that he(shanks)was CD.
I don't see why, finding out that Judge was Sanji's father didn't change their opinion of him and I don't think the crew would judge people based on the actions of their parents.
Are we gonna ignore manu's phenomenal clean shave.
Maybe the Gorosei only get older whenever they "land" on the surface. If they are in Marijois, they don't get older.
Im definitely in the "Ginny is Bonney's mom" camp. The pink hair, the gluttony, the brash personality, it all fits with Bonney. Throw in the tidbit where Oda sensei said that he had already drawn Luffy's mom in the series more than once a while back, and it just axes the Monkey D Ginny theory at the starting line since this is the first time we've seen Ginny on the page.
Which leads me to believe that Kuma is gonna have more than one absolutely heart wrenching moment in this flashback.
My guess is that Kuma, Ivankov, and Ginny are all saved in the events of the God Valley Incident, go on to do other things, and then the past catches up with them after Bonney's birth.
Bear with me (pun intended), what if the incident that Kuma was framed for while the King of the Sorbet Kingdom was the murder of his wife? Especially if the reason he became king in the first place was because he and Ginny fell in love on their journey back to her home kingdom of Sorbet. Ginny could have been the princess.
Grief would absolutely be a valid reason for him to turn to piracy in the One Piece world. Especially if it was so he could continue to provide for Bonney and her ravenous appetite.
Now, as for the details of the incident itself, what if the government discovered that Ginny and Kuma had both been Celestial Dragon slaves? They wouldnt have the Sun Pirates brand because that incident wouldnt occur for years. Their bodies would still bear the Claw. Its not far fetched that they would send someone to retake their property, see also the death of Fisher Tiger. And if someone like, say, Rob Lucci or Who's Who, were sent on that mission? Well if they cant get their property back (cause Big Daddy Bear Man is a combat god), then at least they can eliminate the embarrassment that was a slave like Ginny being allowed to live freely. Frame the Bear Man if you cant kill him, and force him to abdicate his throne. Then you have some leverage. Especially if Bonney ended up a hostage. Big Man becomes a warlord and agrees to the body modification in exchange for Bonney's freedom. Leverage.
I'd love to see what other people think of this idea.
Can’t believe we’re also going to probably see an actual canon fight from Shiki in these next few chapters.
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Blackbeard's power to nullify abilities would be great against Saturn and the others.
The secret techniques of Saturn lie in the summoning pentagram circle . It gives ultimate control on anything that is there within the circle just like Law’s room. This will be his ultimate weakness as soon as the pentagram is erased Saturn will be vulnerable.
I think the pentagram was only for his summoning/teleportation and nothing else
14:09 I read s long time ago that the word kaizoku can be written in two ways in Japanese. The second way it’s written down you can also read it as “the sea clan”. If that’s true then it can be very important to the story. Maybe the name if the ancient kingdom related to that. We can think of our world’s parallel in Atlantis. More specifically The Lost City of Atlantis. Laugh Tale is a lost island. Atlantis was said to be a very advanced kingdom and the ancient kingdom was said to be advanced as well.
I can see Ginny being Bonney's mom cause 1z the name scheme, 2 the intro, both bonney and ginny are known to eat. And 3, If Ginny was Luffy's Mom, Ivankov wouldve known Luffy was Dragon's son. Also, Bonney has shown tremendous physical strength and durability being Kicked through the frontier dome. KICKED BY KIZARU and Falling from the Sky island and still fighting. Her body is durable like a Buccaneer but looks human. So being 1/4 Buccaneer is how she's so strong. Kuma 1/2 Buccaneer da daddy and Ginny full human is Da mama.
This will probably get no attention but do you guys remember when shanks just walks into the room full of the elders he must have some insane power to not feel anything
He is a Celestial Dragon thats why.
I think we are downplaying Sanji a bit here. His eyebrows are in their normal position, so I can see them flipping, somehow causing him to bust out and possibly have some feats trying to take on Saturn/protect the crew from Saturn. But I guess it depends on how quick Kuma gets to Egghead. If he ends up showing up in Egghead immediately after the flashback, and the Strawhats get away within the same chapter/a couple chapters, then we probably won’t see that.
Also, I thought that maybe the group confronting Saturn were stuck due to the magnetic shoes that Shaka gave them with their outfit change when they first landed, and that maybe York broke free and killed Edison and put the command upstairs to do that. But it’s only their feet that get locked to the floor, it wouldn’t cause all their muscles to be frozen. (But I feel as though that plot point has to show back up in the story, or else there wasn’t really a reason to show it.)
Bro what an L take on thinking this Ginny could be Luffy's mom. She's Bonnie's mom clearly. She has pink hair like bonnie, likes to eat a lot of food like bonnie, and just met Kuma who is Bonnie's father. Like Duh-Doy my guy! 😂
I think Shanks is the clone of Garling, but not an artificially created clone like the ones from Vegapunk. I’m saying, Garling has the Clone Clone fruit and creates one baby version of himself every 25 years.
Just remember the sentence from Whitebeard: THE WOUND I GOT FROM
"THAT GUY" ACHES WHENEVER I LOOK AT YOUR FACE. (ch.434)
WB must have got the wound from ~ 26 years old Garling during the god valley incident, as during that time the 36 years old WB was part of Rocks crew. Shanks was 37 when he clashed with 72 years old WB, but the resemblance was still there.
Back to God Valley:
Roger took the 1 year old baby Shanks with him, so Garling created another clone, that looks just like Shanks, as only one year separates them.
Garling was the father figure to this baby version and raises the baby to inherit his will and learn from his experience of the last 800-900 years.
This would make him semi immortal and would expain, why he is considered special among the CD(executed Mjosgard) and has the title of Holy Knights Commander. He is also not wearing any space suit on God Valley just like Saturn, although God Valey is not on the redline.
Theorizing further:
* The oldest Garling has the Clone Clone no mi and is the commander of the holy knights and serves as the judiciary and executive of the CD
* the oldest Garling never leaves Mary Joa to secure the DF
* Before the oldest dies due to aging, the second oldest Garling has to eat him, to obtain the fruit.
* Shanks never visited the Gorosei, it was the 38 year old Garling clone
* Garlings clones were the reason for VP and Vinsmoke to research on cloning, just like Kizaru was the root for the laser beam research
Before you think: Garling and Shanks don’t look the same. Shanks appearance has drastically changed within the manga. The 39 year old version we know fits really good to the young Garling in God Valley. IMHO even better than 27 year old Shanks version (Foosha Village)
I might be totally wrong like most one piece theories, but sharing those thoughts is just fun and once again an amazing chapter from Oda.
Honestly, the Oden flashback was great, but right now I'm kinda fatigued with Flashbacks and hoping they don't make this one long like the Oden flashback was.
there are 6 treasure chests in the chapter as prizes for the tenryubitos, soo is quite possible that 5 are devil fruits, like the gura gura, paw paw, hormone hormone and fish fish, and one is a baby tenryubitto, or in the chaos one of them put shanks in a chest for protection, oda is giving us the pieces, we just need to end the puzzle
It's really clear that Jinny is not Luffy's mother. Luffy's mother is dead. Moreover, Oda would not introduce Luffy's mom in a flashback about Kuma.
My theory regarding the Rocks Pirates is that they were gathering supplies on God Valley when the celestial dragons showed up. And because they saw the opportunity to to take one of the dragons hostage and get a hefty ransom for him, they attacked the celestial dragons. The Marine (vice) admiral Garp gets called to protect the dragons. Garp, with his son Dragon still with the marines at this point, calls his childhood friend Roger, if he wants to help them out save the island. After discovering that the celestial dragons hunt humans for fun, Garp resigns/denounces the title of admiral, Dragon forms the Revolutionary Army with a bunch of former slaves and Roger starts his journey to laugh tale to topple the government this way
1. Rock comes from god valley
2. Rock doesn't accept his country as material for a population extermination tournament
3. Finally rocks and crew came there against gorosei and god knights
4. Whitebeard vs figarland
5. Gorosei and the god knight are overwhelmed against rocks and friends finally ask for marine help
6. Garp came and asked Roger for help to beat the rocks while gorosei, celestial dragons, and god knight pulled out to mariejoa
Ginny ist obviously Bonney's mom. The name, the character design, the fact that it is a Kuma flashback and not a Dragon flashback...
I think it is very unlikely that she is Luffy's mom.