Quote from Capt. Bill Bradley (rip); "My answer to seamanship, is to avoid situations that call for it".... I have docked in adverse conditions countless times. When the conditions were beyond my skill level I would leave; go out and anchor, and wait for favorable conditions; or just leave the marina/harbor and go somewhere else. In the 55 years I have been boating, I have never caused damage to another's boat.
@@philiplockhart4053 I'd still be furious, insurance covers the cost of repairs over an above a certain excess. It does not cover repair times or inconveniences, changing of plans for the sake of repairs via a very stupid act.
that's what you want to have in a difficult docking- manouvre. A neighbour with a bus- mentality shouting at you." I am safe in, the others should stay outside and away from my holt boat and can die in the storm.
@@volkerkonig9376 That might be your attitude I don't know. But never assume you know what is in someone else's mind! If you're inexperienced or need help. Stop and ask for help, which would gladly be given, before you put others and their property at risk! If you want people to consider you, make sure you consider them and there's first! If you're going to be an uncaring bastard then you will and should be treated as such!
lol as a captain on a jet, i can tell you in these conditions any good pilot would probably divert to another airport, too risky for what? Have always a plan B and remember that if you have to push it.. It's probably s**t 🤣
Why was the mooring line not handed over to the mooring catamaran on the left, moored in front? This is common in strong winds and the marineros should know that.
I’ve been in this weather/docking scenario more than a few times as crew and as captain. Just a guess but the captain is probably a bit inexperienced with this type/size boat. He probably didn’t have a plan or didn’t communicate it to his crew. He was not firmly in charge of his boat or crew and was most likely panicking/shutting down.
This is how it looks like...when they proudly say....I got my boat license in just a weekens...and 8 baboons jumping around...yey...now we can charter a boat. This was in Split Croatia...and we gotta watch this entertainment all summer long. 😁😂🤣
I've seen people doing their licenses and having a strong conviction, that they are captains only after 200h at sea. Croatia is their favorite destination to "boat with family".
These are conditions that you are taught at sailing school to avoid. Stay out, or have a very well prepared crew, plus possibly use your anchor (if allowed), and an experienced captain. The main lesson here is: know your limits, and abort early. Always have full control of the boat. (And navy other lessons: crew management, fenders, preparation, line handling, boat handling and speed, etc).
Weather conditions are not so bad. looks like the skipper and the crew are under influence of alcohol. Using anchor probably would make ten times more mess
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how the hell would you use your anchor for docking your cat in a marina
Never done a Med mooring ? There are two options in a Med mooring. One is that you drop your anchor and then back up into the berth. Second option is to back up into the berth, put two stern lines ashore with slack, pick up the bow line, move a few meters forward, tie up the bow line, reverse to tighten up that bow line and then tighten up the stern lines. Doing that with your anchor makes controlling your bow a lot easier, but dropping an anchor is not allowed in many ports and marinas.
Ben voilà il faut faire une réunion de chaussures pointues pour accoster un canote allons bon ..! Il y a un ruc que l on appelle le bon sens marin et il ne s apprends pas à l école .
That was really hard to watch, no fenders out and full throttle no matter what direction he went. it looks around force 5-6 Which is challenging for many and worse if you're new to boating. It's a high pressure manuver for many., Especially with idiots just standing there with their phones out. Before attempting to berth stern-to, he should have gone over a plan of action with the crew, who was going to be on ropes or fenders before coming in for an attempt, he also needed a crew member spotting for him and communicating the stern and hull distance from the other yachts, this would have kept things a bit calmer at the helm as it was a second pair of eyes,it's a big enough yacht and probably has blind spots, the crew on deck not on ropes should have been ready with the fenders and the boats already moord, especially the starboard yacht @ 2:05 should have took their stern & mid ships rope and walked them in with light bursts of prop as this was the safest option, he had a stern rope on the dock and this should have been but round a clear, but nobody was pulling him in , not a single person knew what the fuck they were doing, including the owners of the 3 boats, when the bow started to swing to starboard @ 2:37 he should have counter steered away from the port side yacht and the bow would have swung back to port, but he panics, and guns it. I didn't hear any thrusters being used so Im guessing they aren't equipped which is baffling. The yacht on the port side should have had crew out on deck with fenders protecting their hull. It was an absolute shit show and panic had set in making everything worse and he just couldn't keep his hand off the power. This maneuver didn't really need to power and just quick prop bursts to keep the yacht steady. If you're new to boating, stay up to date with the weather, apps on your phones are free and have wind speed, rain, would waved etc etc on them and for the love of god, try to be moored up before you're in winds like this, especially knowing your having to berth stern to the dock. I found myself shouting directions at the screen, because nobody took charge of the situation. And theres always situations happening like this and if I'm tied up I'm always out on deck or dock to help mooring craft, be it taking their ropes or verbally directing the new boaters in difficult conditions. New boaters always go for the power, and it just makes things worse, every single time.
@@bryannonya9769 good thing we also have you to critique my critique. Hopefully, someone will critique your critique critiquing my critique of others being critiqued. 😂
@@bryannonya9769 well, if there is one thing I take away from your critique it is that you have no experience on the water at all. Looneyirish was spot on in his critique, but you would never know that.
Yes the wind was strong , but from the bow , it is a two engine cat , that can turn on a dime , You can compensate almost anything wit he engines . Clue less captain , but I not sure he is a captain , most likely just bought a B category license for few hundred Euros . No bumpers out prior to docking , aft line handler in flip flops , ridiculous the whole thing .
@@stoerenungeheuer543i guess the Croatian "Boat skipper B" - in German also known as "Küstenpatent". It is quite popular with Austrians because it can easily be done within a weekend and allows you to charter yachts (sail + power!) in Croatia 😢
what had me most worried was the guy on the starboard stern - he could've been crushed or sliced up by the propeller if he fell in. its not worth your life or safety to protect the boat.
Anyone who's ever docked a boat med style, can see the skipper has no clue what the hell is he doing. No idea what to do with the twin engine and how to use them in his favor. Rolling his wheel way too much for catamaran. Crew is not prepared at all, pushing the boat of the pier with their legs is a bad idea too, with no fenders on the stern and on the sides... They failed to prepare, thus they were prepared to fail.🤕
I might have dropped anchor and slowly with control reversed. I have never been to the Med so is that an option here? Speed is your friend in high winds going into the wind or side on but going with the wind it is too dangerous. André in Sydney
I think this could be a solution. The only risk is that the anchor get tangled with some lines or chaines of the mooring- line installation on ground of the harbour. So you should throw the anchor as far as possible away from the pier.
@@bertram5798 You are right. With that wind pushing against the dock the only smart option is going in with the bow. You can even stand still on the spot by just reversing the engine
Winds in Croatia can be pretty heavy...I still remember first day offshore😂 and first storm winds gusting W/NW 18feet motor boat and guy that rented tells me go straight to docking direction N-NE and throw ropes we will catch you at entrance.It was helpful learning a lot about sailing and boats even more then needed for skipper licence made in Croatia. It was a sudden kick which told me go into the Harbor make U turn and steer against the wind. If I did as they told me that boat would be in pieces....thank God to many videos I watched and lot of books I read during that time. I can park 40 Tons semi trailer almost anywhere I want...but I can easily say sailing is another level and it needs clear mind and constant adjustment as those winds and Sea can be unpredictable.
man what a mess!... nāo se pode extrair alguma minima boa liçāo de marinharia desse episódio... vento forte... onde?? O camarada na proa nāo atuante. Filmagem bastante ruim, mas aprovei o cameramem com nota 5.5. Nada dramatico, apenas um dia de "Confusāo na Disney"
#1 boating rule. Never operate faster than you wanna hit something. Most of all, gain experience with a skilled operator. Try taking the US Coast Guards boater safety course. I highly recommend it. I've crossed the Atlantic, medd, araiban, red sea, and then some. Experience eguals knowledge.
It is easy............an easy decision. As soon as you realize this is above your confidence level you either abort or decide not to go in at all. You stay out, drop the anchor, get on the radio or the phone (if you don't want to stay out at anchor) and ask if there is someone who can handle the boat in that weather. It may take a while, but eventually someone will say yes. You pick him / her up with the dinghy, you step aside, but pay attention and you let that person handle the boat. And if you cannot find anyone you simply stay out on anchor. May not be what you were looking for, but at least there is no damage and you showed that you have a good set of brains, you know your limits.
There is clearly plenty of staff around , the charter company should have its own personnel available . Med style mooring is very tricky without a good bit of practice . I’m sure it’s all charter company boat but the charters have to pay for damage!
On voit l'équipage expérimenté !!! J'imagine comment ce même équipage pourrait gérer un bateau avec ce genre de condition météo en pleine mer ! RASSURANT !!!
docking backwards with strong wind on the pier ( and therefore with the wind from stern) is difficult and not for the fainthearted. But even this not so expierienced skipper made it nearly perfect in his second and final docking. But only nearly: 1.) it was a big crew with lots of men. But crew- management was lacking completely. And this is the job of the skipper. 2.) only one Fender on the side. 3.) when docking the second time the import port- sternline wasn't ready at all, moreover I didn't see a crewmember ready to threw it. 3.) with the port- sternline fixed first ( the strong wind had a port-tendency)the skipper could hold the yacht with the engine ( 2 of them)away and perpendicular from the pier. 4.) nobody was looking for the important mooringline to fix the bow( missing crew- management). Nevertheless, it was difficult to dock rearwards with a strong wind on the dock. Why not docking forward ? The boat is much more controllable ( especially with two engines) and if you organised to throw the bow- lines( crew- management!) you can get hold of the mooringline with no problem and fix the stern. Much easier!
Wrong. To much time needed for that. You’ll be long gone in these conditions. Stern ropes locked on the shore, without returning them to the boat. Engines forward and the boat is temporarily secured. Then you can easily take mooring lines and take them to the bow .
maybe you should have helped him and not just arm chair sail, good thing the world has you to comment on yourtube videos and share your video watching experience.
Agreed. At 8:55 the guy should have never asked the boat crew to release that windward stern line, the boat crashes immediately on the starboard stern against wall and starboard bow against next boat. The captain onboard is not the only incompetent here, the skipper with glasses on the pier has made a proper mistake here...
Not easy with such strong winds and a high windage boat like this cat... I am sure that the people watching and screaming don't help either. The skipper and crew probably lack experience as the basic strategy to enter the slot seems flawed. Basic idea should be to back against the wind into the slot from right to left with a target landing location very close to the left boat to compensate for wind drift towards the right. I am not sure whether they dropped the anchor at some point while going back in, but I understand it's normally part of the procedure for med mooring isn't it?
In Croatia marinas you do not use anchor for med mooring. You must use prepared mooring lines fixed on concrete block on the seabed. Yes, it is wery hard to moore in a such windy condition, but crew was completly unprepared. Skiper must aware that and he can call charter or port to help him.
Good things takes planning, bad things happens by themselves.... It seems that the skipper does not know his resources....(Ability determines what is allowed). At 0:22, they just had to change the stern line from starboard to port, give throttle forward at the starboard engine and after straighten its drifting slowly back with the wind-support into the dock and can be stoped with both engine forward.....
It was also my first idea. Even, just pushing starboard forward and port backwards gently should point the bow upwind. And using fenders & other cat just let it slide back. But, as we see, both engines are off at that moment until the boat is turned by win 90deg. It seems they had mooring line in the prop or something - notice the guy on the shore holding the line at 0:55 commenting it. So I assume, they can't use engine before they released the prop, then wen backwards - away from the line. We didn't see the first attempt unfortunately...
That was alot of wind, so i sort of get it. And while i havent docked a catamaran, i feel like many are to scared to actually use their engines properly. When its lined up just force the boat backwards so it gets momentum, as soon as youre beside another boat then slow down as the boats on your sides will both catch the wind and can help guide you in. I would not want to dock here without any boats beside me tho...
Lack of commandment to the crew…. And lack of planning in such wind force. Drop the anchor with a snubber, and wait for the wind to settle. If the anchor is suitable and holding ofc. Hole in the hull above the water line. Easy fixable.
I dont know why an other capitain more experienced jump into the catamaran. To do de doaking in this time . With strong wind, its bot a good a idea to practice ??
Did not see any tight marina here, more like completely open water to do any maneuvers one can think of. Also loads of space between the boats at the pier.
To many Chefs Ruin the soup ! This kind of weather forced the captain to be quite, and when nothing helps, go for anchor and wait for better conditions...
O.K, he effed up and landing, however what really got me is how unprepared was the crew, all lines tangled together, no one knew what to do, no assigned stations, nothing...
This captain is obviously drunk. Simple solution would be to pop it on the drift whilst medium throttle on a tight cambered roll around, drop the Portside anchor then unhinge the roller clamps from the tangent cable
In most marina in Croatia you must not use the ancor during med mooring. As I wrote, they have prepared mooring lines conected to concrete block “corpomorto” on seabed and pier. Marinero pull this mooring line, crew member catch the line with hook and tide down usually on the bow hitch - when you med mooring. Bye
The level of arrogance in the comments - including from the guy who posted the video is astounding. Let's see how many of you could manouver a vessle this size into a tight slip with the winds ripping the way they were all the while a dozen ppl yelling at you. Very few I'd bet. Btw I know Split very well and the weather can change there on a dime esp the winds. Yes the guy did make mistakes in not organising his crew better by assigning specific tasks to each one and not having his fenders out. But then again I'm sure he was under a lot of stress just trying to control the vessel. Definitely a lesson for all of us to have a plan when docking, esp in these conditions
First. The driver of the Cat. does not deserve to be called "Captain"! 2nd, this is not the easiest conditions to move astern with strong wind from the bow, even when you have two props aft. Then having loads of "deckhands" that have no clue about dangers and what to do!
At 7.07 absolutely nobody was in command of that vessel. Both helm stations were deserted. WTF ? Then for a brief moment 'the captain' assumes control, only to leave the helm again to go over to the bow while the boat still is not moored properly. Why do they keep giving boats to people who cannot handle them ? I own my boat and I have to deal with idiots like this on a daily basis. This is one of the reasons why we stay out on anchor, but even there we are not safe from these sunday skippers. It is time for the charter companies to clean up their act and start demanding a proficiency test before guests can take a boat out. And if they are not proficient.........hire a captain.
2 THINGS : FIRSTLY THE SKIPPER SHOULD HAVE USED THE WIND TO HIS ADVANTAGE BY JUST MOTORING INTO IT GENTLY......SOMETIMES JUST HIT THE ENGINES INTO NEUTRAL AND SEE HOW THE WIND IS EFFECTING THE BOAT ? SECONDLY THE BOAT TO HIS PORT SHOULD HAVE BEEN USED AS THE PRIMARY LINE CONTROL AS THE WIND WILL DO THE STARBOARD MANOEUVRING REQUIRED TO SET THE MOORING LINES SO BEST BET IS MAYBE SEND A CREWMEMBER ASHORE ON A TENDER ?
Biggest problem is that they don't ask for any proof at all that you can handle the boat. You may be able to sail, but docking is a different ball game, especially Med mooring. You need to learn it and to become proficient that simply takes time and a lot of practice. Unfortunately charter guests are not proficient, don't do a lot of practice and find themselves in situations where they should not be. Yet, all of them want to be on that pier instead of just staying out on anchor. And that is how the fun starts every day at 3 - 4 PM.
This is when your decision where to dock is influenced by what you want to do in the evening. Must go to Split at all costs! Manoeuvring is irrelevant here, the skipper made a bad decision hours ago and set himself up for failure by deciding to dock downwind at 25-30 kts of wind blowing across an open Split bay. Few thousand euros of damage will teach him a lesson. Granted, it may have been Friday so needed to come back to base in which case, come early or speak to charter to come early in the morning.
That's on the marina, Why would you have anyone dock on a windy day around a brand new boat? Or really why would you bring a boat in without sending a skip out to give them a hand.
It's not on the marina. What a BS comment. The captain is ALWAYS responsible to avoid a collision. Drouge/sea anchor should have been out to control speed and position while backing with heavy wind into a narrow slip.
No way. There is an assumption of competence or like another poster said, if you can’t handle the docking scenario, in this case the strong breeze, just anchor out and wait so you don’t hit the other boats. Also, that cat is clearly a privately owned boat, too old to be a typical charter so the marina staff would assume that it’s not a credit card captain. But as we all know assumptions…in any case the marina staff owed that vessel nothing except to offer line handling ashore. Which they did and even that is at the direction of the skipper.
Did some dinghy sailing. Never operated a power boat. In my expert opinion, they should have lowered the dinghy to get a capable captain to dock the boat. Even I can see the captain was way too heavy handed with the motor.
Not really, as soon as you slip to one side or the other it grabs the bow and pushes it. If it was stern on it would be easier. Terrible conditions I doubt a lot of well experienced sailors would have attempted that.
unfortunatelly, these are my "fellow" czech countrymen ... typical example, piggy bodies, lot of alcohol on board, nothing is a problem, because we have Netflix and internet access, which makes us masters of the universe. And we proudly display our flag, so that the rest of the world knows what bunch of a holes we are ... I am sorry for this, please believe, not all the czech yachtsmen are the same ...
What an embarrassing circus all around. A "charter captain?" Right. I am an Airbus A380 captain, here I come. Crashing still amounts to the same thing as "landing", right? The boat charter industry is a joke. Don't these people have to provide some kind of proof of proficiency, or is that just something you buy over the counter at the chandlers? This was also a case of too many cooks in the kitchen. No-one here could claim honours...
A absolut Desaster how charter companies Check they're customers in Med Countries Many of them sail with one person with a license, but not even one has an adequate experience to Handel a sailing boat. And for all sailors around is just luck or bad luck when they throw they ancor through the bay.....😡 Money first.....
Conditions for this particular spot were NOT difficult. Wind from the bow actually helps, LOTS of space - I'd fit another monohull there. Skipper shouldn't be allowed to drive a shop basket on an empty parking lot. And his crew management is as good as his botat handling. Totally irresponsible. Lifelong ban in all the charter companies.
i cannot understand who pay for all of this damages. Τhe "captain"(if we can say that) is in total confusion and the people on board had better not exist. Ιn no port, after all, is there a harbor guard to impose such fines on all these dangerous so-called captains that they will never return to command a vessel again
@chrisyarnold6205 I agree. Sometimes balancing the experience, the knowledge of the boat (maybe poor) and the weather conditions the best he could do was tuck into a bay and wait for better conditions. There is a mentality among juvenile sailors that the city quay or marina is the safer place to go, it might be IF the weather is still fair otherwise it could be a nightmare. Well, there will be a lot lessons learned and some money spent.
Quote from Capt. Bill Bradley (rip); "My answer to seamanship, is to avoid situations that call for it".... I have docked in adverse conditions countless times. When the conditions were beyond my skill level I would leave; go out and anchor, and wait for favorable conditions; or just leave the marina/harbor and go somewhere else. In the 55 years I have been boating, I have never caused damage to another's boat.
100% making sense
And that is indeed the only correct way.
Perfect, capt. I do agree with you !!
The marinas are not always the safest place where to moore!
My God, how the neighbouring yacht owners stayed so calm is amazing!
I'd be furious!
Insurance. That’s why they record everything, just like having a dash cam.
@@philiplockhart4053 I'd still be furious, insurance covers the cost of repairs over an above a certain excess. It does not cover repair times or inconveniences, changing of plans for the sake of repairs via a very stupid act.
not everyone is an a hole
that's what you want to have in a difficult docking- manouvre. A neighbour with a bus- mentality shouting at you." I am safe in, the others should stay outside and away from my holt boat and can die in the storm.
@@volkerkonig9376 That might be your attitude I don't know. But never assume you know what is in someone else's mind!
If you're inexperienced or need help. Stop and ask for help, which would gladly be given, before you put others and their property at risk!
If you want people to consider you, make sure you consider them and there's first!
If you're going to be an uncaring bastard then you will and should be treated as such!
Well…. The crew can be thankful he wasn’t trying to land an aeroplane
Bloody windy not easy
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lol as a captain on a jet, i can tell you in these conditions any good pilot would probably divert to another airport, too risky for what? Have always a plan B and remember that if you have to push it.. It's probably s**t
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@@TheFlyingBulldog86 ha ha, I’m going to keep that last line if you don’t mind..
Why was the mooring line not handed over to the mooring catamaran on the left, moored in front?
This is common in strong winds and the marineros should know that.
never sailed in my life and thought just the same immediately
because you were busy commenting on videos and not helping
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I’ve been in this weather/docking scenario more than a few times as crew and as captain.
Just a guess but the captain is probably a bit inexperienced with this type/size boat. He probably didn’t have a plan or didn’t communicate it to his crew. He was not firmly in charge of his boat or crew and was most likely panicking/shutting down.
This is how it looks like...when they proudly say....I got my boat license in just a weekens...and 8 baboons jumping around...yey...now we can charter a boat. This was in Split Croatia...and we gotta watch this entertainment all summer long. 😁😂🤣
I can't get past a doctor saying, "this is how it looks like".
Is someone dying under your knife right now?
I've seen people doing their licenses and having a strong conviction, that they are captains only after 200h at sea. Croatia is their favorite destination to "boat with family".
These are conditions that you are taught at sailing school to avoid. Stay out, or have a very well prepared crew, plus possibly use your anchor (if allowed), and an experienced captain. The main lesson here is: know your limits, and abort early. Always have full control of the boat. (And navy other lessons: crew management, fenders, preparation, line handling, boat handling and speed, etc).
Weather conditions are not so bad. looks like the skipper and the crew are under influence of alcohol. Using anchor probably would make ten times more mess
how the hell would you use your anchor for docking your cat in a marina
Never done a Med mooring ? There are two options in a Med mooring. One is that you drop your anchor and then back up into the berth. Second option is to back up into the berth, put two stern lines ashore with slack, pick up the bow line, move a few meters forward, tie up the bow line, reverse to tighten up that bow line and then tighten up the stern lines. Doing that with your anchor makes controlling your bow a lot easier, but dropping an anchor is not allowed in many ports and marinas.
Ben voilà il faut faire une réunion de chaussures pointues pour accoster un canote allons bon ..! Il y a un ruc que l on appelle le bon sens marin et il ne s apprends pas à l école .
That was really hard to watch, no fenders out and full throttle no matter what direction he went. it looks around force 5-6 Which is challenging for many and worse if you're new to boating. It's a high pressure manuver for many., Especially with idiots just standing there with their phones out.
Before attempting to berth stern-to, he should have gone over a plan of action with the crew, who was going to be on ropes or fenders before coming in for an attempt, he also needed a crew member spotting for him and communicating the stern and hull distance from the other yachts, this would have kept things a bit calmer at the helm as it was a second pair of eyes,it's a big enough yacht and probably has blind spots, the crew on deck not on ropes should have been ready with the fenders and the boats already moord, especially the starboard yacht @ 2:05 should have took their stern & mid ships rope and walked them in with light bursts of prop as this was the safest option, he had a stern rope on the dock and this should have been but round a clear, but nobody was pulling him in , not a single person knew what the fuck they were doing, including the owners of the 3 boats,
when the bow started to swing to starboard @ 2:37 he should have counter steered away from the port side yacht and the bow would have swung back to port, but he panics, and guns it.
I didn't hear any thrusters being used so Im guessing they aren't equipped which is baffling. The yacht on the port side should have had crew out on deck with fenders protecting their hull.
It was an absolute shit show and panic had set in making everything worse and he just couldn't keep his hand off the power. This maneuver didn't really need to power and just quick prop bursts to keep the yacht steady.
If you're new to boating, stay up to date with the weather, apps on your phones are free and have wind speed, rain, would waved etc etc on them and for the love of god, try to be moored up before you're in winds like this, especially knowing your having to berth stern to the dock.
I found myself shouting directions at the screen, because nobody took charge of the situation.
And theres always situations happening like this and if I'm tied up I'm always out on deck or dock to help mooring craft, be it taking their ropes or verbally directing the new boaters in difficult conditions.
New boaters always go for the power, and it just makes things worse, every single time.
good thing we have you to critique youtube videos
@@bryannonya9769 good thing we also have you to critique my critique. Hopefully, someone will critique your critique critiquing my critique of others being critiqued. 😂
Appreciate this critique, thank you! I'm watching thse videos as a new boater and trying to learn as much as I can :)
@@bryannonya9769 well, if there is one thing I take away from your critique it is that you have no experience on the water at all. Looneyirish was spot on in his critique, but you would never know that.
Qd on a rien à dire mieux vaut fermer sa……g
Yes the wind was strong , but from the bow , it is a two engine cat , that can turn on a dime , You can compensate almost anything wit he engines . Clue less captain , but I not sure he is a captain , most likely just bought a B category license for few hundred Euros . No bumpers out prior to docking , aft line handler in flip flops , ridiculous the whole thing .
What's a "B category license"?
@@stoerenungeheuer543i guess the Croatian "Boat skipper B" - in German also known as "Küstenpatent". It is quite popular with Austrians because it can easily be done within a weekend and allows you to charter yachts (sail + power!) in Croatia 😢
@@olivergreitbauer It can easily be done within a weekend? Sounds sketchy. Thanks for the hint.
what had me most worried was the guy on the starboard stern - he could've been crushed or sliced up by the propeller if he fell in. its not worth your life or safety to protect the boat.
Darwin has entered the chat...
Always a good idea to have a real world thinker aboard.
that supposed to be a skipper
Hope he has a great insurance policy!😅
Anyone who's ever docked a boat med style, can see the skipper has no clue what the hell is he doing. No idea what to do with the twin engine and how to use them in his favor. Rolling his wheel way too much for catamaran. Crew is not prepared at all, pushing the boat of the pier with their legs is a bad idea too, with no fenders on the stern and on the sides... They failed to prepare, thus they were prepared to fail.🤕
I might have dropped anchor and slowly with control reversed. I have never been to the Med so is that an option here? Speed is your friend in high winds going into the wind or side on but going with the wind it is too dangerous. André in Sydney
I think this could be a solution. The only risk is that the anchor get tangled with some lines or chaines of the mooring- line installation on ground of the harbour. So you should throw the anchor as far as possible away from the pier.
How about going in bow first?
How about not going in at all, and dropping the anchor at an anchorage for the night.
@@bertram5798 You are right. With that wind pushing against the dock the only smart option is going in with the bow. You can even stand still on the spot by just reversing the engine
Go astern, ( reverse)
Winds in Croatia can be pretty heavy...I still remember first day offshore😂 and first storm winds gusting W/NW 18feet motor boat and guy that rented tells me go straight to docking direction N-NE and throw ropes we will catch you at entrance.It was helpful learning a lot about sailing and boats even more then needed for skipper licence made in Croatia. It was a sudden kick which told me go into the Harbor make U turn and steer against the wind. If I did as they told me that boat would be in pieces....thank God to many videos I watched and lot of books I read during that time. I can park 40 Tons semi trailer almost anywhere I want...but I can easily say sailing is another level and it needs clear mind and constant adjustment as those winds and Sea can be unpredictable.
Starboard engine not working? Didn't see it in action and boat pivoting a lot.m
man what a mess!... nāo se pode extrair alguma minima boa liçāo de marinharia desse episódio... vento forte... onde?? O camarada na proa nāo atuante. Filmagem bastante ruim, mas aprovei o cameramem com nota 5.5. Nada dramatico, apenas um dia de "Confusāo na Disney"
He knows you can use something more than full speed, right?
Nope apparently the engine only has two settings idle and WOT.
No boat easier to drive than a twin screw…and yet
No anchor on the run in and why did they release the windward mooring line allowing the bow to swing?
Lazy lines so no anchor required.
Would been better dropped anchor in bay until wind drop
I wouldn't even hand over a bicycle to these incompetent people!!!!
#1 boating rule.
Never operate faster than you wanna hit something.
Most of all, gain experience with a skilled operator.
Try taking the US Coast Guards boater safety course.
I highly recommend it.
I've crossed the Atlantic, medd, araiban, red sea, and then some.
Experience eguals knowledge.
That's a very strong wind. Not easy.
Think with the Wind and the Wind ist you'r friend 😅
It is easy............an easy decision. As soon as you realize this is above your confidence level you either abort or decide not to go in at all. You stay out, drop the anchor, get on the radio or the phone (if you don't want to stay out at anchor) and ask if there is someone who can handle the boat in that weather. It may take a while, but eventually someone will say yes. You pick him / her up with the dinghy, you step aside, but pay attention and you let that person handle the boat. And if you cannot find anyone you simply stay out on anchor. May not be what you were looking for, but at least there is no damage and you showed that you have a good set of brains, you know your limits.
Well, that wasn't too difficult, was it?
There is clearly plenty of staff around , the charter company should have its own personnel available . Med style mooring is very tricky without a good bit of practice .
I’m sure it’s all charter company boat but the charters have to pay for damage!
On voit l'équipage expérimenté !!!
J'imagine comment ce même équipage pourrait gérer un bateau avec ce genre de condition météo en pleine mer ! RASSURANT !!!
docking backwards with strong wind on the pier ( and therefore with the wind from stern) is difficult and not for the fainthearted. But even this not so expierienced skipper made it nearly perfect in his second and final docking. But only nearly:
1.) it was a big crew with lots of men. But crew- management was lacking completely. And this is the job of the skipper.
2.) only one Fender on the side.
3.) when docking the second time the import port- sternline wasn't ready at all, moreover I didn't see a crewmember ready to threw it.
3.) with the port- sternline fixed first ( the strong wind had a port-tendency)the skipper could hold the yacht with the engine ( 2 of them)away and perpendicular from the pier.
4.) nobody was looking for the important mooringline to fix the bow( missing crew- management).
Nevertheless, it was difficult to dock rearwards with a strong wind on the dock. Why not docking forward ? The boat is much more controllable ( especially with two engines) and if you organised to throw the bow- lines( crew- management!) you can get hold of the mooringline with no problem and fix the stern. Much easier!
I would have anchored wherever best and used the tender to land the passengers. Dock the boat later when the wind dies down.
The wind was not from the stern but from the bow.
@@marsmellow1589 you are perfectly right. Idioten mistake from me
@@volkerkonig9376 No, that was the Captain of the yacht ;)
The upwind mooring line must be THE FIRST THING. Here it appears they caught it as THE LAST 👏
Wrong. To much time needed for that. You’ll be long gone in these conditions.
Stern ropes locked on the shore, without returning them to the boat. Engines forward and the boat is temporarily secured. Then you can easily take mooring lines and take them to the bow .
Yeah..with 10🐒 onboard...hard for them to decide who should grab the mooring...ehhm...wait...what again was the mooring? 😂🤣😂
maybe you should have helped him and not just arm chair sail, good thing the world has you to comment on yourtube videos and share your video watching experience.
Agreed. At 8:55 the guy should have never asked the boat crew to release that windward stern line, the boat crashes immediately on the starboard stern against wall and starboard bow against next boat. The captain onboard is not the only incompetent here, the skipper with glasses on the pier has made a proper mistake here...
captain chaos is the master
Not easy with such strong winds and a high windage boat like this cat... I am sure that the people watching and screaming don't help either.
The skipper and crew probably lack experience as the basic strategy to enter the slot seems flawed. Basic idea should be to back against the wind into the slot from right to left with a target landing location very close to the left boat to compensate for wind drift towards the right. I am not sure whether they dropped the anchor at some point while going back in, but I understand it's normally part of the procedure for med mooring isn't it?
Everyone is an expert and judge. 🙄
awww thanks mr helpy
In Croatia marinas you do not use anchor for med mooring. You must use prepared mooring lines fixed on concrete block on the seabed. Yes, it is wery hard to moore in a such windy condition, but crew was completly unprepared. Skiper must aware that and he can call charter or port to help him.
If I was that inexperienced, which I am, with that wind, I would set my pride aside and ask somebody for an impromptu lesson on how to dock.
Or just hand over helm and command. Ask for help.
What on earth did they think those round buoys would do on their rounded rear of the vessel? lol
I see just a few fenders in most of the boats. Min 3.44 a cata with only two fenders, one in tack and other in stern
Good things takes planning, bad things happens by themselves....
It seems that the skipper does not know his resources....(Ability determines what is allowed).
At 0:22, they just had to change the stern line from starboard to port, give throttle forward at the starboard engine and after straighten its drifting slowly back with the wind-support into the dock and can be stoped with both engine forward.....
It was also my first idea. Even, just pushing starboard forward and port backwards gently should point the bow upwind. And using fenders & other cat just let it slide back.
But, as we see, both engines are off at that moment until the boat is turned by win 90deg. It seems they had mooring line in the prop or something - notice the guy on the shore holding the line at 0:55 commenting it. So I assume, they can't use engine before they released the prop, then wen backwards - away from the line. We didn't see the first attempt unfortunately...
That was alot of wind, so i sort of get it. And while i havent docked a catamaran, i feel like many are to scared to actually use their engines properly. When its lined up just force the boat backwards so it gets momentum, as soon as youre beside another boat then slow down as the boats on your sides will both catch the wind and can help guide you in. I would not want to dock here without any boats beside me tho...
Lack of commandment to the crew…. And lack of planning in such wind force. Drop the anchor with a snubber, and wait for the wind to settle. If the anchor is suitable and holding ofc. Hole in the hull above the water line. Easy fixable.
What do you mean "tight marina"?! LOL
That gap was massive, the problem was the skipper band crew's incompetence was more massive.
I dont know why an other capitain more experienced jump into the catamaran. To do de doaking in this time . With strong wind, its bot a good a idea to practice ??
I dont know i mean
Seem like the wind is too strong 😮😮😮
If you are a good captain its not that difficult
Did not see any tight marina here, more like completely open water to do any maneuvers one can think of. Also loads of space between the boats at the pier.
A Trapani non potrebbero mai armeggiare... assistenza con tender no?? Dio aiutaci
You scratched my boat
You touch my tralala
@@1tanou Thanks to you I have to blow my speakers with Gunther again.
To many Chefs Ruin the soup !
This kind of weather forced the captain to be quite, and when nothing helps, go for anchor and wait for better conditions...
O.K, he effed up and landing, however what really got me is how unprepared was the crew, all lines tangled together, no one knew what to do, no assigned stations, nothing...
Because they have no girls onboard 😂
I know nothing about boating but this was painful to watch. Felt so bad for the boats on either side.
This captain is obviously drunk. Simple solution would be to pop it on the drift whilst medium throttle on a tight cambered roll around, drop the Portside anchor then unhinge the roller clamps from the tangent cable
what so many people are doing without coordination? no anchor used ?? why?
In most marina in Croatia you must not use the ancor during med mooring. As I wrote, they have prepared mooring lines conected to concrete block “corpomorto” on seabed and pier. Marinero pull this mooring line, crew member catch the line with hook and tide down usually on the bow hitch - when you med mooring. Bye
The level of arrogance in the comments - including from the guy who posted the video is astounding. Let's see how many of you could manouver a vessle this size into a tight slip with the winds ripping the way they were all the while a dozen ppl yelling at you. Very few I'd bet. Btw I know Split very well and the weather can change there on a dime esp the winds. Yes the guy did make mistakes in not organising his crew better by assigning specific tasks to each one and not having his fenders out. But then again I'm sure he was under a lot of stress just trying to control the vessel. Definitely a lesson for all of us to have a plan when docking, esp in these conditions
First. The driver of the Cat. does not deserve to be called "Captain"! 2nd, this is not the easiest conditions to move astern with strong wind from the bow, even when you have two props aft. Then having loads of "deckhands" that have no clue about dangers and what to do!
windward line first. No point in getting the down wind line on first it just makes it worse
At 7.07 absolutely nobody was in command of that vessel. Both helm stations were deserted. WTF ?
Then for a brief moment 'the captain' assumes control, only to leave the helm again to go over to the bow while the boat still is not moored properly.
Why do they keep giving boats to people who cannot handle them ?
I own my boat and I have to deal with idiots like this on a daily basis. This is one of the reasons why we stay out on anchor, but even there we are not safe from these sunday skippers. It is time for the charter companies to clean up their act and start demanding a proficiency test before guests can take a boat out. And if they are not proficient.........hire a captain.
Recorded horizontally:)
Those are bad conditions, been there done that. Just bow in, you have more control forward the reverse. The crew on the dock made it worse
2 THINGS :
FIRSTLY THE SKIPPER SHOULD HAVE USED THE WIND TO HIS ADVANTAGE BY JUST MOTORING INTO IT GENTLY......SOMETIMES JUST HIT THE ENGINES INTO NEUTRAL AND SEE HOW THE WIND IS EFFECTING THE BOAT ?
SECONDLY THE BOAT TO HIS PORT SHOULD HAVE BEEN USED AS THE PRIMARY LINE CONTROL AS THE WIND WILL DO THE STARBOARD MANOEUVRING REQUIRED TO SET THE MOORING LINES SO BEST BET IS MAYBE SEND A CREWMEMBER ASHORE ON A TENDER ?
only a experienced captain would have attempted that did well with just a few scratches.
Is he drunk. By the looks of it I think he is. You don't go that fast when docking😮😡😡😡
Drinking, drugs and rental boats make Croatia an nightmare.
Huh? But it isn't allowed to be drunk when driving a boat.
Some do say charter a boat is expensive...here you can see....no..its far to cheap.
Biggest problem is that they don't ask for any proof at all that you can handle the boat. You may be able to sail, but docking is a different ball game, especially Med mooring. You need to learn it and to become proficient that simply takes time and a lot of practice. Unfortunately charter guests are not proficient, don't do a lot of practice and find themselves in situations where they should not be. Yet, all of them want to be on that pier instead of just staying out on anchor. And that is how the fun starts every day at 3 - 4 PM.
This is when your decision where to dock is influenced by what you want to do in the evening. Must go to Split at all costs! Manoeuvring is irrelevant here, the skipper made a bad decision hours ago and set himself up for failure by deciding to dock downwind at 25-30 kts of wind blowing across an open Split bay. Few thousand euros of damage will teach him a lesson. Granted, it may have been Friday so needed to come back to base in which case, come early or speak to charter to come early in the morning.
When people start filming you that’s the sign to go back out and anchor for lighter winds.
That's on the marina, Why would you have anyone dock on a windy day around a brand new boat? Or really why would you bring a boat in without sending a skip out to give them a hand.
No skips around to be bothered to help I think. Busy afternoon at the marina!
It's not on the marina. What a BS comment. The captain is ALWAYS responsible to avoid a collision. Drouge/sea anchor should have been out to control speed and position while backing with heavy wind into a narrow slip.
No way. There is an assumption of competence or like another poster said, if you can’t handle the docking scenario, in this case the strong breeze, just anchor out and wait so you don’t hit the other boats. Also, that cat is clearly a privately owned boat, too old to be a typical charter so the marina staff would assume that it’s not a credit card captain. But as we all know assumptions…in any case the marina staff owed that vessel nothing except to offer line handling ashore. Which they did and even that is at the direction of the skipper.
Did some dinghy sailing. Never operated a power boat.
In my expert opinion, they should have lowered the dinghy to get a capable captain to dock the boat.
Even I can see the captain was way too heavy handed with the motor.
The wind was even headon, which makes it very easy.
Not really, as soon as you slip to one side or the other it grabs the bow and pushes it. If it was stern on it would be easier. Terrible conditions I doubt a lot of well experienced sailors would have attempted that.
unfortunatelly, these are my "fellow" czech countrymen ... typical example, piggy bodies, lot of alcohol on board, nothing is a problem, because we have Netflix and internet access, which makes us masters of the universe. And we proudly display our flag, so that the rest of the world knows what bunch of a holes we are ... I am sorry for this, please believe, not all the czech yachtsmen are the same ...
What an embarrassing circus all around. A "charter captain?" Right. I am an Airbus A380 captain, here I come. Crashing still amounts to the same thing as "landing", right? The boat charter industry is a joke. Don't these people have to provide some kind of proof of proficiency, or is that just something you buy over the counter at the chandlers? This was also a case of too many cooks in the kitchen. No-one here could claim honours...
Any landing that you walk away from is a success! Same goes for docking. ;)
Anybody get their insurance info 😢
What a mess, luckily the wind is not across, imagine . The two other boats were very kind with this very dumb captain.
Wind from the bow is actually even a bit trickier.
One fender on starboard! Hope this so-called "Captain" was fined for "recklessness & endangerment" and stripped of any qualification he has!
Puhhh obwohl die "Parklücke" so breit ist 😀
Das war keine Meisterleistung
Non basta essere ricchi per sapere guidare 😢
With such strong wind better cancel arrival and wait for wind to calm down
What the hell is the capt. drunk?
First sign of an incompetent crew is that one of them is wearing pajamas.
A absolut Desaster how charter companies Check they're customers in Med Countries
Many of them sail with one person with a license, but not even one has an adequate experience to Handel a sailing boat.
And for all sailors around is just luck or bad luck when they throw they ancor through the bay.....😡
Money first.....
1970'lerin futbol takımı birgün eski günleri anmak için buluşur, bir katamaran kiralar ve denize açılır...
Und ich dachte immer, man benötigt zum Chartern eines Bootes einen Qualifikationsnachweis.
Get a freaking skipper if you can't handle the boat...
Use the wind, don't fight it, you lose.
Conditions for this particular spot were NOT difficult. Wind from the bow actually helps, LOTS of space - I'd fit another monohull there. Skipper shouldn't be allowed to drive a shop basket on an empty parking lot. And his crew management is as good as his botat handling. Totally irresponsible. Lifelong ban in all the charter companies.
Marin du dimanche !!!!!!
i cannot understand who pay for all of this damages. Τhe "captain"(if we can say that) is in total confusion and the people on board had better not exist. Ιn no port, after all, is there a harbor guard to impose such fines on all these dangerous so-called captains that they will never return to command a vessel again
Looks like they need better boat handling skills
unglaublich, so viele Personen an Bord und der Skipper teilt niemanden ein ?
No one had any experience on that boat no lines ready no fenders a skipper who didnt know how to use two engines to steer the boat.
See it been on piss trip why so many guys
The dumbest crew. They have no idea how a boat works in the wind. That was an easy job for a trained crew.
foolish captain
a captain having a stroke would manouver this boat better than this guy
Deberían de retirarle la licencia de capitán a más de uno
They are all bladdered.
Omg, no clue at all
Captain from Lidl!!!
A wanky wanky skipper:)😅
and all because idiots don't want to pay for a professional skipper.
@chrisyarnold6205 I agree. Sometimes balancing the experience, the knowledge of the boat (maybe poor) and the weather conditions the best he could do was tuck into a bay and wait for better conditions. There is a mentality among juvenile sailors that the city quay or marina is the safer place to go, it might be IF the weather is still fair otherwise it could be a nightmare. Well, there will be a lot lessons learned and some money spent.
the guy driving is clearly in his 60s, not a juvy. its easy to arm chair sail, good job at it.
Too much talking and poor execution.
Яхту жалко😢
maybe one day the Euros will think to build some finger piers.. or maybe they like collective damage 🤷♂️
Nice Job 😂