The way to get him to write the 3rd book is to totally ignore him. He has received plenty of adulation for his excellent first two novels. But if people stop tuning into his twitch, if they stop supporting his charity, even ignore him in public; make him culturally irrelevant, I bet you he sits down and starts writing again.
I gave up on it… I used to recommend this series to everyone. I used to read the first book every year. It was a source of my dreams. When the new one comes out, I probably won’t get it. I don’t want to ruin the magic of book 1.
this has been my go to for a couple years. it's why i never can be found speaking negative or positive about him on the web for the most part. the less attention he gets, the more i believe he'll be humbled. he's definitely got a lot of nerve with last year's live stream promises. i was tuning in and tryna not get excited, but hopeful. and the prologue definitely made me hold my breath for a moment. but that was almost a year ago. and no acknowledgement has been given by PR at all.
@@christopherwasko5948 Download it illegally. That way he doesn't see a cent of it. I never support artists or authors. They all turn up either pedos or worse.
Rothfuss's publisher and editor Elizabeth Wollheim expressed frustration with the delay, stating she had not seen a single word of the book nine years on. Patrick literally took a break for nine years. I think he has mental health issues
Its probably not a grift, clearly he's just stuck ESPECIALLY lately and has no will or passion to get through the parts he has left to work on. He read the prologue and likely wanted to release another chapter. Like what was said and he told the pizza guy that time, "the charity is what i'm working on." He's not a 1 page a day author. He's not a chew bubble gum and walk at the same time author. He claims he's writing a bunch of world lore to go back the past 5000 years or so to have everything in book 3 make sense but I don't think thats really true or if it is true then he's not busy with it. So feed imposter system, anxiety, and perfectionist sides of his personality Then add depression as the bubble is bursting, he's no longer doing acq inc, he's not as active on the con circuit, and he's not on twitch either so it seems.
@@SupremeBeyonderthe relationship some fans have to authors now is strange. Full of entitlement, demands, and character assassination. Yet, the spreading of all that negativity is meant so that the fan can finally read the new book/purchase the product. My wild guess is this is a mirror of 2 things: the increase of permissive parenting, where the kids seem to run the show with their tyrannical sways of emotional outbursts. So, kids using negative emotion to punish their parents into giving them love. Secondly, it's due to cultural shifts in the meaning of protest. Protests these days are highly consumerist, much more so than, say, in the 60s. Also, the idea of protest is to demand some action or change. Making demands forms a sneaky relationship where you feel you have power and self-determination, but in asking for something, you're implicitly confessing your submissive status. All in all, this abuse flung at authors whose work you want to read is such a strange relationship, like a country of protesters, whose allegiances are never fully in or out, they are simply exuberantly self absorbed in consuming more and more.
Jim Butcher went 4 years between books and then we got two in one year as an apology because he was going through things. That being said we are going on 12 years with nothing from Rothfuss.
My biggest problem with Rothfuss is that he chases fame instead of writing. For years he showed up to every fantasy novel convention regardless of where or when it took place.
He obviously gets a personal high geeking out and being on stage with people, geeking out with others I think his likely active depressive episode is directly linked to him not being on the stage for Acq Inc anymore. Can't prove it but I suspect it. if he's not in a depressive episode than holy hell, I'm impressed because based on his past 8 years in the community spotlight he's HEADS down writing. OR HEADS DOWN focusing on his family So much so that he absolutely sabotaged his own charity efforts to focus on them and the book
he wrote a good book, got famous, fell in love with himself, started doing everything EXCEPT write a third book, forgot what got him there, and now this is where we are at. i gave up on this story ever being completed years ago.
The Name of the Wind taught me never to start an unfinished series. I would do it with people like Sanderson, but there is no need. There are enough already finished series out there.
The thing is, they KNEW that. That is why when the first one came out they made a big deal (they did) that the trilogy was finished, just needed "minor tweaking", because people were already burned with Martin, even way back then. So they basically lied twice now.
@@samjohnson7869 Agreed. Taking things for what they are is an important lesson too. The first two books are great, regardless of whether or not the third one ever comes out.
Ive seen a lot of comparisons between this guy and GRRM, but to my mind theres alot of differences between the two. Its very clear that GRRM has been writing the entire time since ADWD. Between the show itself, Fire and Blood, A Knight of The Seven Kingdoms, and the several preview chapters which have dropped over the years. GRRM slowed down but never stopped and has never been secretive either about the fact that he is working, and the fact that hes struggled so much with these last two books. GRRM also isnt a dick to his fans and has never scammed them. He has certainly expressed frustration with fan reactions and expectations, and Ive seen enough discourse online to know that sometimes hes entirely valid in feeling that way, but hes not vindictive or unkind. He also hasnt completely left his publisher to die without him. In addition to how much sales spiked when the show was on, hes released material in the series since. Fire and Blood and A Knight of The Seven Kingdoms added valuable information to the overall narrative, and gained he publisher good chunks of change. Part of that is because GRRM struggled for a long time as a writer. He knows what its like to be a starving artist even when you're deeply skilled. Rothfuss let his hype consume him and now hes unworthy of it. Its very sad to see.
GRRM also frequently edits wild cards, and works on creating and releasing great anthology books like Dangerous Women which raise a pretty penny, while also giving much needed exposure to other authors. I agree with you @Kyle Way. The difference between them is night and day.
Also he provides updates... I finished the 2 books and the latest news is from 1 year ago where he scammed fans and didn't piblish a chapter. GRRM at least gives updates.
It's sad when you see the decline of the fantasy genre. We have LoTR (Tolkien) as the 10/10 genre-defining book, then WoT (Robert Jordan) leading the helm among others (The Magician Guild series by Tracy Hickman, The Mistborn series by Branden Sandersan, Troy series by David Gemmel). Now, we are left with authors like Patrick Rothfuss, George RR Martin & Neil Gaiman, who let success/greed get to their heads and do everything except write/finish their books. I mean... Robert Jordan & David Gemmel literally dictated their books when they were on their deathbeds.
Rothfuss is the Anti-Sanderson. The universe needed to balance out the fact that Brandon Sanderson, on top of having a consistent release schedule since he started in 2005, wrote 5 **extra** novels in quarantine with someone who will basically never complete his one and only "trilogy"
Not only is there no book three he’s clearly a con man. And the entire narrative in his books does not make sense. Loose ends left hanging for fans to think about and make their own story from. He knew he couldn’t make a book three, there’s no way to finish that story. That’s why he never talks about it
@@richieb74 I can finish it. 0 holes. It's not HIS book. He didn't write it. Probably the author isn't alive anymore. That's why he can't write the ending. He doesn't know it.
I found the text of book 3. Chronicler awoke refreshed the following morning, and he walked down to the bar at the Waystone Inn awaiting Kvothe’s arrival to finish the story he had told the past two days. But as the day wore on, and the hours turned form morning until noon until night, Kvothe never came. When Bast showed up as the sun was setting, Chronicler asked where his master was. “He needs his sleep,” Bast said. “How can you begrudge him that?” “Of course,” Chronicler said. “Do you have any idea when he’s going to wake up?” “He’s not your bitch,” Bast replied. As he retired to his room that night, Chronicler poked his head in to Kvothe’s room to make sure he was still breathing. Kvothe was awake, playing solitaire. “Chronicler!” Kvothe said, smiling. “Check out these cool cards! Aren’t they awesome?” “Well, yes, I suppose so,” he said. “I was surprised, though, when you didn’t come down to finish the story.” “I will finish soon,” Kvothe said. “And like Aslan, I call all times ‘soon.’ ” Chronicler didn’t know who Aslan was, but he didn't want to pry. Kvothe, after all, was not his bitch. Not even a little bit. The next morning, Chronicler was up before sunrise, and as he walked down to the common room of the Waystone, he saw Kvothe waiting on a handful of customers who had come for breakfast. “Hey, look, it’s Chronicler!” Kvothe cried. “Everyone say hello to Chronicler!” Three people waved. One unsuccessfully tried to stifle a fart so foul it would have killed a king. Chronicler waved back, turned to Kvothe, and said “Do you want to get started?” “Way ahead of you,” Kvothe said. He handed him a clutch of papers the included eight pages of crude drawings of a girl making soap. Chronicler looked at the drawings and tilted his head. “I don’t understand.” “It’s soap!” Kvothe said. “Everyone needs soap!” “Yes, but it’s not a story,” Chronicler said. “And it’s certainly not your story.” “So?” “So people expect certain things from a story. If people read this story looking for those things, they wouldn’t get them, so they’ll be dissatisfied.” “Fuck those people,” Kvothe said. The crowd murmured their assent to this sentiment, and one started speaking in a strange language, which led Bast to think perhaps he was a skin dancer, but it turned out he was just Pentecostal. Chronicler turned to look at Bast, who gave him a thumbs up and threw a knife at him. Chronicler ducked, and the blade lodged itself in the ear of the farting guy. When it was clear that he wasn’t going to get any more info out Chronicler went back to his room, where Bast joined him in short order. Can you help explain what’s going on?” Chronicler asked. Bast sneered an evil sneer. “He doesn’t owe you anything,” he said. “Well, no, he doesn’t, but it would still be nice to get the end of the story.” “What part of ‘he’s not your bitch’ do you not understand?” Bast asked, sneering an even eviler sneer than the one he had just sneered, which was, in and of itself, already pretty evil. “Well, most of it,” Chronicler said. “All of it, really. I never said he was my bitch. He just said he was going to finish his story, and now that he won't finish his story, and - ” At that moment, Kvothe burst into the room. “Guys, good news! I have a big announcement to make!” Chronicler smiled. “You’re going to finish the story?” Kvothe smirked. “What? No!” He then held out two small bags of stones. “Look! I made tinker’s packs! Who wants one?” Chronicler reached out his hand to take one, but Kvothe pulled the sacks back. “Buy two, get one free,” he scowled. “I’m not your bitch!” He then smiled and skipped out of the room, throwing playing cards over his shoulders as he frolicked down the stairs. “What do you mean you ‘don’t get it?’” Bast said extra-sneeringly. “Did you see how happy he is? Don’t you want him to be happy?” “Well, yes, I…” “DIDN’T YOU SEE HIM FROLIC?!” “I saw him frolic, certainly, but…” “Repeat after me - NOT. YOUR. BITCH.” “If it’s all the same, I’d rather not.” Bast’s eyes bulged out like Large Marge in Pee-Wee’s Big Adventure, and then there was a puff of sulfury smoke, and he was gone, but not at all like Nightcrawler from the X-Men, who Bast sort of resembles if you think about it. So the next morning, Chronicler woke up and found that Kvothe had gone on tour to sell his cards and tinker’s packs. Chronicler sighed, and then he began to weep as he realized that Kvothe wasn’t his bitch - he, Chronicler, was actually KVOTHE’S bitch. At that point, Chronicler took up residence in the Waystone Inn, waiting for Kvothe to return. Days turned into weeks, and then months to years. Occasionally, he received letters where Kvothe complained about politics and others where he tried to sell him stuff, and one with a story about a cat, but there was no word at all as to when or if Kvothe would actually finish the story. Chronicler would write back, and he would ask, politely, whether or not Kvothe had any intention of finishing the tale he had started so long ago. Kvothe finally came home six and a half years later, and Chronicler was overjoyed to see him. “How was your journey?” “It was fine, except for your letters,” Kvothe snarked snarkily. “What?” Chronicler said. “What do you mean?” “When you ask about day three - “ he made a whiny noise. “ ‘Wheeeen’s day threee?' That’s what y'all sound like to me when you... “ He made another whiny noise. "You know like the sound of of like a nail being dragged across my teeth combined with the smell of someone who just... shit on themselves. That's the sound it makes in my head when you are like ‘When’s day three, you said we would be done years ago.’ “ Just then, an asteroid hit Temerant and everyone was wiped out in an extinction level event. Also, Denna was a dude the whole time. The end
A few people pointed out in the comments that he mixed up characters (like Bast and Elodin) from the books. His own books. No writer does that, even if they haven't touched the story for a long time. Someone even commented that he probably got the story from someone else who isn't alive anymore so of course he cannot finish the story. It's a bit wild but given how he cannot get a single chapter - or page - done, I think it's fair to assume something's not quite in the right about this whole story.
Who is Patrick Rothfuss? Well, he's a guy who went to college for a long long time, and made a self-insert character in his book who does just the same. What does that denote? It denotes the type of person who, for whatever reason, enjoys "running the race" far more than reaching the finish line. I'm not saying that in itself is a bad or good thing. There are several good reasons to "enjoy the journey" over the destination. This man was given the task of turning his one oversized book into three smaller books, it's not even the same task of making three books from scratch. He's been working on this one story for most of his life at this point. Completing book 3 is not just completing book 3, it's closing the door on a major chapter of his life, and that honestly just doesn't seem like an idea that Rothfuss is comfortable with. The tragedy, in my opinion, is that being stuck in this "race" or "journey" prevents him from partaking in any others, and given how long and difficult this particular process for this particular saga has been for both him and his fans, how many people would even want to partake in the next one knowing this author's habits?
If you really think about it, this is the old tale of at imitating life. We're in a holding pattern with Kvothe pretending to be a bartender, no longer able to practice his craft. The story presided over by rothfuss, pretending to be a gamer, no longer able to practice HIS craft.
What if it wasn’t him who wrote the book? What if it was a friend or family member, and that person passed away, before they were able to write the last book? Honestly, that makes more sense than anything he’s said, over the last decade.
There is no way book 3 is going to make people happy. Book 2 was such an odd second novel and does not move the plot forward much in regard to the first novels "promise". so much would have to happen to address all the questions built up over book 1 and 2 that I can't see it happening in a similar number of pages or without a fourth book. Rothfuss himself may be having mental health issues but that won't change the fact he has sullied his reputation as an author. He got famous quickly and lived off the benefits of that fame, enjoying conventions, meeting celebrities and now I think resents the fandom for expectations he has set.
Why the fuck would he ever WRITE book 3 when we keep paying to hear some small shred of news about book 3? I honestly don't blame him, we as consumers need to realize we enable this sort of bullshit by continuing to pay for it.
8:44 calling it a duology 😂 actually, i think i'm going to adopt this now, i don't think we should call it a trilogy anymore until such a time book 3 release date is announced.
I did not realize his editor had not seen a word of book 3 (as of July 2020). He was paid a lot of money to write a book. Sooner or later, the people who hold that contract are going to demand he produce what they paid for. I don't hate the guy, but I wouldn't want to be in his shoes if/when the lawyers start coming. Seems like the easiest solution would be to focus on writing the book. Might save him a lot of trouble later.
@@antonenb Untrue, his STYLE is not suited to it. The style of simplified prose is a strategy he employs because it allows him to write quickly and focus on the emotional connections to characters. It's not that he CAN'T write sophisticated prose - but that also doesn't mean he's the right person for this series. We already know that he can emulate other authors' writing styles. Robert Jordan didn't have a particularly simple prose style, but most casual readers don't even notice a major difference when transitioning to Sandersons' installments in wheel of time.
Its so crazy to have your fans donate and promise them honestly easy and very do able goals and then not come through, I dont think an author straight up owes anyone anything, once your promising things for money though is when you start owing people.
Professional authors are contracted. It is what mess them professional. They do owe books. I never understood why people make this argument when you would literally be fired and/or sued for notnot
@@darksaint0124 so if these professionals bring in different amounts for the publishing house when have you done enough? When you have sold 10 million copies for name of the wind or another 10 million copies for wise man's fears? That publishing company is lucky as can be to have him, they know it, hr knows it and there other 95% of "employees" (as you see it) haven't made the boss as much as he has combined. Honestly "fans" like you are laughable, so let me know at what point you have done enough, if you make the company you work for 100 million bucks but another employee completes his "contract" and makes them 5 million bucks, who has done a better job? Fyi its the person who's still with the publishing company because they know if they drop and sue another publishing company would pick him up in a heartbeat.
@@darksaint0124 Why make the charity promise that is called a scam and premeditated if what you saying is true. He can go to prison if he does not refund the money.
“... Apology now is of little consequence," she said, her voice flat and chill as slate. "Anything you say at this point cannot be trusted. You know I am well and truly angry, so you are in the grip of fear. This means I cannot trust any word you say, as it comes from fear. You are clever, and charming, and a liar. I know you can bend the world with your words. So I will not listen." "Vashet to Kvothe” ― Patrick Rothfuss, The Wise Man's Fear
Lanre sought power and was cursed by losing that which he loved most after getting the power he desired. It may be that Kvothe achieved the power he sought, but lost that which he loved most and was cursed. There may be a third person that sought something only to gain it and in gaining it, lost that which he loved most. There may be a meta-ending to the book IRL.
If he's got time to stream, he should be writing. Or researching for writing. Or going to the woods like Emerson to clear his head for eventual writing. Getting caught up in twitter politics and online nonsense is not doing anyone any good.
The main issue with Pat’s lying is how unnecessary it eventually became, I mean yeah back in the day no one knew jack about you so you had to say the trilogy was done and you had to simply polish it, but why not come clean in let’s say 2014 once you became a big name of the genre?
Was the absolute biggest fan of Rothfuss the Author for the longest time since 2007. I certainly don't hate the guy, but at this point I can only fairly call him ' That guy who used to write books' . It would be a lie to call him an active Author
I mean the problem here is not the release of the third book, fuck the third book, if he doesn't want to write it leave him. But you can't just go and scam people by using it. He owns to everyone who paid for the charity and got nothing.
First book sucked in my opinion. Seems like just good prose covering a mess of a story with terrible plotting. He has been a mediocre hack from the very beginning.
I'm sure people who've been reading the series since its release don't give af about him anymore. The story itself remains, it's still beautiful, comforting and incredibly immersive. But Pat... if he didn't write anything he can just tell the truth. We would be pissed, but making false promises is way worse. Adding pleas for money just adds to the frustration and is borderline insane
Honestly, I think the fans would have been okay getting unedited readings of his book similar to the previews that Sanderson tends to put out at his events or occasionally on his streams. There's always an understanding that it's not final and thus speculation is just that, speculation. To me that seems like a good anxiety free way to let people know where you're at, not have to break promises, but also not compromise on the quality of writing.
@@alyssumn3884 Yeah, that makes total sense. Rothfuss himself was open (at least in the past couple years) about the fact that by the end of the second book, he had had to rewrite nearly the entire novel for it to work. I wrote my comment in the spirit of what I think he should have done, not what he has. In the many years since book 2 was released, given his profession as a writer, something of substance should exist that he could show. Sadly he's either too neurotically afraid to show any of his current work, or there is none to show.
I decided like 4 years ago that if he releases the book I am not going to buy it, I would download it and that is it. Read joe Abercrombie books, he is a good author that likes the fans, releases a book every year. Patrick got famous and showed his real face, a guy that only wants money.
lol Thank you so much for the ending. Knowing that he at least gets constant torment provides a little bit of solace. I don't understand it, man ... at this point, the book 3 stress has consumed 10 good years of his life. He should have just written a bad or mediocre finale by 2015 and be done with it. This way, he could have left everyone with a complete trilogy that maybe would have had a little bit of a let down in the end - which would have been WAY better than the status quo. And now he could have been 2 or 3 books into his next series while applying the previous learning experience. Well, see you in 12 months or so when we all google this again. edit: I just made some adjustments to my atrocious grammar since the post gained a lot of likes - the hypothetical nature of what I described appears to have transcended my initial non-native grasp on the English language ...
I'm a little sad to say this, bc kingkiller chronicles was my favourite series (until I met Sanderson), but if he'd done what you said, he wouldn't have the money he has now. He needed to extend this lie untill it colapsed on itself and that's happening rn. He doesn't have more ideas, he's not Brandon Sanderson who can have a 10 book series and still have material to do a whole universe.
@Corrina Please: I never said that I wanted him to commit suicide. I only meant to say that I find joy in him being confronted with the consequences of his scamming. His scam wasn't anything earth-shattering - it was about roughly 3 weeks of my life I invested into his promised "trilogy"... just so he could try to pull me into his stupid "charity" scheme. Let's say it's a little upsetting, but nothing to get furious about. And his "torment" is also not really a torment ... it's a f***ing pizza guy asking for book 3 and that's VERY funny. It's a perfect response in terms of karma. Maybe my choice of words was a little exaggerated, so sorry for that.
@@CorrinaMusic I didn't read the darkness you did. To me it sounded like a fan disappointed who realized an author decided to capitalize on what he had and promised many more.
6 years ago I saw a photo of the third book on his facebook, years later in an interview in Spain he said that the book was finished and the editor was reading it for the last revision, the book has been written but they are waiting for the series on television to sell more books.
It is just really sad to see what he has become. I was pretty supportive of him about the third book questions for a long time. But not delivering what he promised after taking people's money along side not giving any fuck about his fans is on another level. At least a person can apologize and inform his fans and people he owe.
Why even compare Brandon and Patrick? One of the most legendary and prolific authors compared to a 2 book twitch streamer. I'm tired of waiting for him or GRRM. Here pat, you wanna know what it's like? Lets Say I told you I could make everyone in the world stop asking you about book three. Let's say you bought into that heavily, and they stopped for the first 2 years... now let's say they all started asking again and 11 years down the road, you came to me saying"i thought you could make it stop" then i say, "they will stop again really soon" thats probably equivalent to what your fans feel.
He has no credibility. I don't care what he wrote or will write. I'm sickened by his disregardful for fans. He has no honor. Persuading people to donate to a charity on false pretenses should be a felony, and should be investigated.
I'm getting more and more convinced that Pat is just like an S-tier troll.. Writing an unfinished book series almost everyone loves, and then seeing how far he can play on their feelings for them wanting more... Makes more sense than him actually still working on it.
A life ambition of mine is to get on the same "fantasy discourse" talk shows and programs that discuss rothfuss and to push the following theses: 1) Rothfuss's is an amazing entrepreneur 2) entrepreneurs are primarily focused on value capture: that could be money, that could be attention, that could be vibes in a space, that could be a space itself 3) consumers would serve themselves better by divorcing their idea of rothfuss from the writer persona they first encountered him through. 4) every moment spent talking about rothfuss and pining after the 3rd book is a moment we could be finding new author/entreprenuers that give us what rothfuss and DAW promised us over a decade ago.
i got an amazon notification the other day saying "doors of stone drops tomorrow' clicking on it didn't bring me to a product page, and checking back this week i found nothing. super weird.
I hate people like this. It's always frustrating to make a deal with somebody, put up your end of the bargain then they don't hold theirs and it's too late to take what you were willing to give back.
I just find Rothfuss hilarious at this point. It’s been eleven years! I understand that this has to be annoying. But dude, your entire professional life is tied to this thing by your own design. The money you made to pay the pizza guy is based off the book you wrote! If you want it to stop you just have to sit down and write one book. People do it all the time. You’ll be left alone. You just have to write one book
Great work on this. I was never a fan of the books (couldn't make it through book one after having it shipped to me here in Jamaica). And I've never quite liked the vibe I get from Patrick. This video makes me think there may have been a bit of a sixth sense thing going on there.
This guy is a bearded child. I don’t buy the “you’re not entitled to a third book” argument. People have invested their money into his story - which he promised would be 3 books long, drawing it to a conclusion. So yeah, when you pay for something - you’re entitled to what is promised. Change my mind
It's people like him and George RR that make me want to stay away from unfinished works. Do I love the song of ice and fier? Yes. Do I love the king killer Chronicles? Yes. Do I hate their creators? Also yes. I cannot want for the the day one of them dies and some other competent writer will finish their work, just like Brian Sanderson did for the wheel of time. Untill then, I am not recommending these great books to anybody. I am at the point where I don't even care about him or George anymore. They can go to....
I have been waiting and rereading till I lost all hope. I feel that the story cannot be finished in one book without seeming rushed or vague. I wonder why he didn't just write more if needed, rather then trying and trying to fit it into 1 final book?
At this point I don't think that we will ever see the third book - the way he is postponing this is like he is afraid to not live up to expectations or even to the standarts that he setted with his other books.
I have waited sooooooooooooooo longggggggggggg for The Doors of Stone. I'm beginning to think it may be one of three things, because when there are no plausible answers, no logical reasons, and no efforts to communicate truthfully, it winds up being one or more of 3 reasons; an addiction (games, drugs, alcohol, etc.), mental health issues ( depression, anxiety , coping badly with fame and fortune), and/or the muse has left the building (writer's block, or painted one's self into a corner). I can't begin to count the number of times I have recommended his books to friends, acquaintances, and anyone in the fiction or fantasy section of any bookstore I've been to. This is a real letdown. He's the only writer I have read, that once I finished the first two books, as well as The Slow Regard of Silent Things, I have immediately gone back to the beginning to reread them. The emotional pull as well as the world-building and the intelligence of the author's works is awesome. He has set himself up for high expectations from his readers/fanbase. I hope he can finish this, at least for himself, if not for us.
me as well, to all of this. i have five finger dis- counted and purchased so many copies of his books and liberally given them away to anyone i felt would appreciate them and it hurts to still be waiting with no word at all, just an unkept promise.
Yep, just from his comments over the years and things he has done, I think he has mental health issues and they overtook him so he cannot write anymore, but also cannot admit it.
Bro at least you know unless he's in such a bad place be hurts himself or some freak accident happens. He still has the lifespan to eventually finish this damn series. No fkn way ASOIAF gets released
I just Googled "Doors of Stone release date" and the first result that popped up was from Amazon that read, "This title will be released on November 15, 2022."
@PatrickRothfuss @PatrickRothfuss In December 2021 readers donated over $999,834.00 for Patrick Rothfuss to read a chapter from Doors of Stone with the expectation of "February at the latest." #DoorsofStone #PatrickRothfuss It’s now 2023…
At this point the cliff’s notes would be great. Denna is a Spy, Ash is Cinder, Bast is Kvothe’s son, His Mom is a Lackless, Kvothe is the final Chandrian, the King he kills is Jackis, the four plate door leads to the fey, Elodin is Taberlin the Great. Kvothe dies before he finishes his story. Great! We can finally fucking move on.
Honestly he should just pass the torch of the 3rd book onto like a group of dedicated fans/writers who have been thinking "what if" for the past 10 years. WE have plenty of ideas because his material fuled us to think about the what if's in the story line.
I just have to say. I have no evidence of this. But it's my assumption that he's isn't doing what he should with the charity money. He raises so much every year and doesn't talk much about after the fact. This my favorite book and quite honestly if it ever comes out I am gettin it second hand. I won't give this book another sale
Maybe he just likes all the attention that comes with having two extremely successful books and millions of readers pining for the third book. Given all the pent-up expectation there is NO way that Book 3 will EVER measure up. Because expectations are too high. If I had two highly successful novels I'd be working on Book 3 instead of farting around on social media and running a charity and whatnot. He might have a terrible case of writer's block. He might have zero passion for writing at this point. I think it's better to spend one's time waiting for the next Pynchon novel to drop rather than Patrick's 3rd novel.
If an author hadn’t made promises to his audience regarding a piece of work then I would be of the opinion that that author owed nothing to anyone. It was just a bunch of First-World cry-babies throwing their toys out of the pram. But PR has courted and teased his fanbase with book 3 for nearly a decade. My own opinion: when I read the first few chapters of ITNOTW I was of the opinion that the author had written himself into a corner. I loved that book. It’s an damn near perfect underdog story. But what was going to come next? A picaresque tale of Kvothe becoming more and more awesome? Where’s the fun in reading that? I thought he should have left it at one book. Let the readers fill in the blanks. When the second book came out, I liked it fine enough, but I didn’t connect with the protagonist. Instead of coming along for a ride I was just watching a ride happen. The man has made a cross for his own back. If he would just come out and say, “I’m sorry, but the story I envisioned is just unwritable. I quit.” I’d have a lot more respect for him.
My main issue is... He literally said the third book was done when he released the second. Why even say that. Why express it. The likelihood is that he didn't have the end. Or he did and realized it was not the end. Either way... Give us something. Not these half things.
I liked the books but I dont compare Patrick to Tokien, Sanderson or GRR Martin. He is a little overrated and even if his books are entertaining, they are not masterpieces. I really loved the first one but the second was a bit boring sometimes and I didnt feel it as the "king's killer chronicles". Its just a magic bard who doesnt have money and that is in love with an exhausting woman. I lost interest in the third book long time ago but if he releases it I guess I'll read it but Im not hyped at all
I support Rothfuss very much. I consider him one of the best fantasy novelists around today. But people are tired of waiting. I am tired of waiting. I get he's probably editing and revising it, I get he wants to make it perfect in his eyes. But here's thing: perfection doesn't exist, its a myth! Nothing will ever be perfect man. I get he wants it to come across well to his readers, but his prose and lyrical writing is beautiful. Regardless we just want a conclusion, a good one yes. Although, I think he's bit of more than he can chew. There is so much story left to tell, and I don't think its possible to finish it in one last book. It would have to be atleast four or five. I understand it takes time to write a fantasy book, but its been 12 years....12! Thats ridiculous! The problem here is his behavior man... when anytime someone asks about the third novel or even just mentions it in passing, he explodes or gets uncomfortable about it. Like if someone was wanting to know the progress on my book I would love that! It wouldn't make me feel 'dread.' The fact that he is getting angry with his fans about it is pretty stupid. I would never speak to my fans like that. I get the pressure of it, sure its annoying to be remarked about it constantly, but its pretty maddening to hear him act like a narcotic pig. Mental health, yes is nothing to laugh or snort at, its a difficult topic and it does effect peoples lives heavily. I've gone through depression and anxiety before and its crushing. But using it as an excuse to just get more clout from his first two books and failing promises is not right. Not only has he blocked people for asking about the third book, negative comments on tweets and videos, is childish for a fifty year old man. But he has NOT delivered the first promised chapter reading. Its been over a year, not apology. Your fans, including me, sent money to you man, and raised 1.25 million dollars to hear it. I'm surprised no one has started a lawsuit or sued him for it honestly. So this has lead me to believe nine theories on the progress of The Doors of Stone: 1. He is readily editing and revising it as of now and trying to finish it, is what I am hoping for. 2. He hasn't been working on it as much. 3. Its being worked on, but it won't come out till the summer of 2023, or sometime in 2024 4. The pressure has gotten to him so badly he stopped writing it. 5. Or the scariest theory, he is lying on how much progress he has made on it, like mentioning he has written 400,000 words of it already. And to be honest, I don't think he has a lot of it done like he has told anyone. 6. He has grown tired of creating it and is taking a break, which means an extreme delay on the release date. 7. He has realized he's shot himself in the foot and made the story way bigger than he imagined, which makes him think he can't do it in just one more single work. 8. Or a slim ray of hope, he has been silent for like almost 10 months. No streams on twitch, very little tweets, and updates. And that it's just going to come out randomly with no if or warning. 9. Or it just simply is never going to come out. So, yeah. I'm sick of the drama surrounding the book and awaiting it. I know this a long comment and a rant, but I am just tired of his behavior. When you advertise your books as a trilogy make it a fucking trilogy. At this point, I've started to write up to 2,000 pages of the third book myself.
Dude needs to just hire a team to ghost write the book. I'll stick to matt dinniman. I subscribe to his patreon and get to read his new book, chapter by chapter every few weeks as he writes it. Every once in a while he'll do a poll where we all vote in some upcoming element of the story. As much as I want to finish rothfuss' series, I know it not likely to ever happen.
The way to get him to write the 3rd book is to totally ignore him. He has received plenty of adulation for his excellent first two novels. But if people stop tuning into his twitch, if they stop supporting his charity, even ignore him in public; make him culturally irrelevant, I bet you he sits down and starts writing again.
I gave up on it… I used to recommend this series to everyone. I used to read the first book every year. It was a source of my dreams. When the new one comes out, I probably won’t get it. I don’t want to ruin the magic of book 1.
You got a point.
Man the first one at least isn’t even that good. It’s super trope-heavy.
this has been my go to for a couple years. it's why i never can be found speaking negative or positive about him on the web for the most part. the less attention he gets, the more i believe he'll be humbled.
he's definitely got a lot of nerve with last year's live stream promises. i was tuning in and tryna not get excited, but hopeful. and the prologue definitely made me hold my breath for a moment.
but that was almost a year ago. and no acknowledgement has been given by PR at all.
@@christopherwasko5948 Download it illegally. That way he doesn't see a cent of it.
I never support artists or authors. They all turn up either pedos or worse.
How can he not have a single chapter to show after 11+ years?
Rothfuss's publisher and editor Elizabeth Wollheim expressed frustration with the delay, stating she had not seen a single word of the book nine years on. Patrick literally took a break for nine years. I think he has mental health issues
A lawsuit should be filed against him. He scammed me and hundreds if not thousands more people, I personally lost 800$.
let's get the lawsuit against him.
I don't think it will work because they will say something like "you gave the money to the charity not to him so he doesn't have to give you anything"
No, go for the lawsuit. Just try. lol@@abluefishh8402
Rothfuss gets paid $100k per year from that nonprofit. This feels like an elaborate grift by Rothfuss.
Its probably not a grift, clearly he's just stuck ESPECIALLY lately and has no will or passion to get through the parts he has left to work on.
He read the prologue and likely wanted to release another chapter.
Like what was said and he told the pizza guy that time, "the charity is what i'm working on."
He's not a 1 page a day author.
He's not a chew bubble gum and walk at the same time author.
He claims he's writing a bunch of world lore to go back the past 5000 years or so to have everything in book 3 make sense but I don't think thats really true or if it is true then he's not busy with it.
So feed imposter system, anxiety, and perfectionist sides of his personality
Then add depression as the bubble is bursting, he's no longer doing acq inc, he's not as active on the con circuit, and he's not on twitch either so it seems.
@@NerfThisBoardGames Calm down Patrick.
@@SupremeBeyonder I wasn't too far off
Dad in Hospice care, not fun
@@NerfThisBoardGames It's been over a decade chief. Sorry for his parent, know how hard that can be, but he's still been a grifter.
@@SupremeBeyonderthe relationship some fans have to authors now is strange. Full of entitlement, demands, and character assassination. Yet, the spreading of all that negativity is meant so that the fan can finally read the new book/purchase the product. My wild guess is this is a mirror of 2 things: the increase of permissive parenting, where the kids seem to run the show with their tyrannical sways of emotional outbursts. So, kids using negative emotion to punish their parents into giving them love. Secondly, it's due to cultural shifts in the meaning of protest. Protests these days are highly consumerist, much more so than, say, in the 60s. Also, the idea of protest is to demand some action or change. Making demands forms a sneaky relationship where you feel you have power and self-determination, but in asking for something, you're implicitly confessing your submissive status. All in all, this abuse flung at authors whose work you want to read is such a strange relationship, like a country of protesters, whose allegiances are never fully in or out, they are simply exuberantly self absorbed in consuming more and more.
Jim Butcher went 4 years between books and then we got two in one year as an apology because he was going through things. That being said we are going on 12 years with nothing from Rothfuss.
My biggest problem with Rothfuss is that he chases fame instead of writing. For years he showed up to every fantasy novel convention regardless of where or when it took place.
He obviously gets a personal high geeking out and being on stage with people, geeking out with others
I think his likely active depressive episode is directly linked to him not being on the stage for Acq Inc anymore. Can't prove it but I suspect it.
if he's not in a depressive episode than holy hell, I'm impressed because based on his past 8 years in the community spotlight he's HEADS down writing. OR HEADS DOWN focusing on his family
So much so that he absolutely sabotaged his own charity efforts to focus on them and the book
he wrote a good book, got famous, fell in love with himself, started doing everything EXCEPT write a third book, forgot what got him there, and now this is where we are at. i gave up on this story ever being completed years ago.
The way he writes, he was already in love with himself. Kvothe is just a projection of how Rothfuss sees himself, let's be real.
Thanks for the heads up. I won’t bother with it.
Perfectly said
I think it’s more like he writes Kvothe as he wishes he was.
People should really stop "donating" him money
The Name of the Wind taught me never to start an unfinished series. I would do it with people like Sanderson, but there is no need. There are enough already finished series out there.
The thing is, they KNEW that. That is why when the first one came out they made a big deal (they did) that the trilogy was finished, just needed "minor tweaking", because people were already burned with Martin, even way back then. So they basically lied twice now.
Honestly, I still love both books and will not regret reading them even if the series is never finished.
@@samjohnson7869 Agreed. Taking things for what they are is an important lesson too. The first two books are great, regardless of whether or not the third one ever comes out.
Ive seen a lot of comparisons between this guy and GRRM, but to my mind theres alot of differences between the two. Its very clear that GRRM has been writing the entire time since ADWD. Between the show itself, Fire and Blood, A Knight of The Seven Kingdoms, and the several preview chapters which have dropped over the years. GRRM slowed down but never stopped and has never been secretive either about the fact that he is working, and the fact that hes struggled so much with these last two books. GRRM also isnt a dick to his fans and has never scammed them. He has certainly expressed frustration with fan reactions and expectations, and Ive seen enough discourse online to know that sometimes hes entirely valid in feeling that way, but hes not vindictive or unkind. He also hasnt completely left his publisher to die without him. In addition to how much sales spiked when the show was on, hes released material in the series since. Fire and Blood and A Knight of The Seven Kingdoms added valuable information to the overall narrative, and gained he publisher good chunks of change. Part of that is because GRRM struggled for a long time as a writer. He knows what its like to be a starving artist even when you're deeply skilled. Rothfuss let his hype consume him and now hes unworthy of it.
Its very sad to see.
A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms is not new material and most of Fire and Blood is almost a decade old.
GRRM also managed to write more than 1 book a decade.
GRRM also frequently edits wild cards, and works on creating and releasing great anthology books like Dangerous Women which raise a pretty penny, while also giving much needed exposure to other authors. I agree with you @Kyle Way. The difference between them is night and day.
Also he provides updates... I finished the 2 books and the latest news is from 1 year ago where he scammed fans and didn't piblish a chapter.
GRRM at least gives updates.
It's sad when you see the decline of the fantasy genre. We have LoTR (Tolkien) as the 10/10 genre-defining book, then WoT (Robert Jordan) leading the helm among others (The Magician Guild series by Tracy Hickman, The Mistborn series by Branden Sandersan, Troy series by David Gemmel). Now, we are left with authors like Patrick Rothfuss, George RR Martin & Neil Gaiman, who let success/greed get to their heads and do everything except write/finish their books. I mean... Robert Jordan & David Gemmel literally dictated their books when they were on their deathbeds.
Rothfuss is the Anti-Sanderson. The universe needed to balance out the fact that Brandon Sanderson, on top of having a consistent release schedule since he started in 2005, wrote 5 **extra** novels in quarantine with someone who will basically never complete his one and only "trilogy"
Steven King was also like this. He wrote books in off time under a pen name. But this dude hasn't written anything since 2014...
I feel the same. Dude hasn’t written anything but is so ready to judge and insult dissatisfied readers waiting on him to get to work
He is pretty abrasive with his fan base.
Not only is there no book three he’s clearly a con man. And the entire narrative in his books does not make sense. Loose ends left hanging for fans to think about and make their own story from. He knew he couldn’t make a book three, there’s no way to finish that story. That’s why he never talks about it
@@richieb74 this just sounds silly.
@@richieb74 your take is inarguably incorrect. The first two books are coherent and well crafted.
@@richieb74 I can finish it. 0 holes.
It's not HIS book. He didn't write it. Probably the author isn't alive anymore. That's why he can't write the ending. He doesn't know it.
I found the text of book 3. Chronicler awoke refreshed the following morning, and he walked down to the bar at the Waystone Inn awaiting Kvothe’s arrival to finish the story he had told the past two days. But as the day wore on, and the hours turned form morning until noon until night, Kvothe never came.
When Bast showed up as the sun was setting, Chronicler asked where his master was.
“He needs his sleep,” Bast said. “How can you begrudge him that?”
“Of course,” Chronicler said. “Do you have any idea when he’s going to wake up?”
“He’s not your bitch,” Bast replied.
As he retired to his room that night, Chronicler poked his head in to Kvothe’s room to make sure he was still breathing. Kvothe was awake, playing solitaire.
“Chronicler!” Kvothe said, smiling. “Check out these cool cards! Aren’t they awesome?”
“Well, yes, I suppose so,” he said. “I was surprised, though, when you didn’t come down to finish the story.”
“I will finish soon,” Kvothe said. “And like Aslan, I call all times ‘soon.’ ”
Chronicler didn’t know who Aslan was, but he didn't want to pry. Kvothe, after all, was not his bitch. Not even a little bit.
The next morning, Chronicler was up before sunrise, and as he walked down to the common room of the Waystone, he saw Kvothe waiting on a handful of customers who had come for breakfast.
“Hey, look, it’s Chronicler!” Kvothe cried. “Everyone say hello to Chronicler!”
Three people waved. One unsuccessfully tried to stifle a fart so foul it would have killed a king.
Chronicler waved back, turned to Kvothe, and said “Do you want to get started?”
“Way ahead of you,” Kvothe said. He handed him a clutch of papers the included eight pages of crude drawings of a girl making soap.
Chronicler looked at the drawings and tilted his head. “I don’t understand.”
“It’s soap!” Kvothe said. “Everyone needs soap!”
“Yes, but it’s not a story,” Chronicler said. “And it’s certainly not your story.”
“So?”
“So people expect certain things from a story. If people read this story looking for those things, they wouldn’t get them, so they’ll be dissatisfied.”
“Fuck those people,” Kvothe said. The crowd murmured their assent to this sentiment, and one started speaking in a strange language, which led Bast to think perhaps he was a skin dancer, but it turned out he was just Pentecostal.
Chronicler turned to look at Bast, who gave him a thumbs up and threw a knife at him. Chronicler ducked, and the blade lodged itself in the ear of the farting guy.
When it was clear that he wasn’t going to get any more info out Chronicler went back to his room, where Bast joined him in short order.
Can you help explain what’s going on?” Chronicler asked.
Bast sneered an evil sneer. “He doesn’t owe you anything,” he said.
“Well, no, he doesn’t, but it would still be nice to get the end of the story.”
“What part of ‘he’s not your bitch’ do you not understand?” Bast asked, sneering an even eviler sneer than the one he had just sneered, which was, in and of itself, already pretty evil.
“Well, most of it,” Chronicler said. “All of it, really. I never said he was my bitch. He just said he was going to finish his story, and now that he won't finish his story, and - ”
At that moment, Kvothe burst into the room. “Guys, good news! I have a big announcement to make!”
Chronicler smiled. “You’re going to finish the story?”
Kvothe smirked. “What? No!” He then held out two small bags of stones. “Look! I made tinker’s packs! Who wants one?”
Chronicler reached out his hand to take one, but Kvothe pulled the sacks back. “Buy two, get one free,” he scowled. “I’m not your bitch!” He then smiled and skipped out of the room, throwing playing cards over his shoulders as he frolicked down the stairs.
“What do you mean you ‘don’t get it?’” Bast said extra-sneeringly. “Did you see how happy he is? Don’t you want him to be happy?”
“Well, yes, I…”
“DIDN’T YOU SEE HIM FROLIC?!”
“I saw him frolic, certainly, but…”
“Repeat after me - NOT. YOUR. BITCH.”
“If it’s all the same, I’d rather not.”
Bast’s eyes bulged out like Large Marge in Pee-Wee’s Big Adventure, and then there was a puff of sulfury smoke, and he was gone, but not at all like Nightcrawler from the X-Men, who Bast sort of resembles if you think about it.
So the next morning, Chronicler woke up and found that Kvothe had gone on tour to sell his cards and tinker’s packs. Chronicler sighed, and then he began to weep as he realized that Kvothe wasn’t his bitch - he, Chronicler, was actually KVOTHE’S bitch.
At that point, Chronicler took up residence in the Waystone Inn, waiting for Kvothe to return. Days turned into weeks, and then months to years. Occasionally, he received letters where Kvothe complained about politics and others where he tried to sell him stuff, and one with a story about a cat, but there was no word at all as to when or if Kvothe would actually finish the story. Chronicler would write back, and he would ask, politely, whether or not Kvothe had any intention of finishing the tale he had started so long ago.
Kvothe finally came home six and a half years later, and Chronicler was overjoyed to see him. “How was your journey?”
“It was fine, except for your letters,” Kvothe snarked snarkily.
“What?” Chronicler said. “What do you mean?”
“When you ask about day three - “ he made a whiny noise. “ ‘Wheeeen’s day threee?' That’s what y'all sound like to me when you... “ He made another whiny noise. "You know like the sound of of like a nail being dragged across my teeth combined with the smell of someone who just... shit on themselves. That's the sound it makes in my head when you are like ‘When’s day three, you said we would be done years ago.’ “
Just then, an asteroid hit Temerant and everyone was wiped out in an extinction level event. Also, Denna was a dude the whole time. The end
That was Awesome!
such edgy
nice
laughed so hard. so good
Okay, first of all, this is amazing. And second of all, I want to read a book written by you.
Sometimes I wonder if he even actually wrote the first two books.
A few people pointed out in the comments that he mixed up characters (like Bast and Elodin) from the books. His own books. No writer does that, even if they haven't touched the story for a long time. Someone even commented that he probably got the story from someone else who isn't alive anymore so of course he cannot finish the story. It's a bit wild but given how he cannot get a single chapter - or page - done, I think it's fair to assume something's not quite in the right about this whole story.
wow! that makes so much sense
I tought of the slow regard of silet things... the best thing of the book are the illustrations
His ghostwriter died
...and the third silence belonged to Rothfuss alone...
Savage 😂
need to stop funding Patrick. don't buy his books and don't support any TV series based on this book.
Who is Patrick Rothfuss? Well, he's a guy who went to college for a long long time, and made a self-insert character in his book who does just the same. What does that denote? It denotes the type of person who, for whatever reason, enjoys "running the race" far more than reaching the finish line. I'm not saying that in itself is a bad or good thing. There are several good reasons to "enjoy the journey" over the destination.
This man was given the task of turning his one oversized book into three smaller books, it's not even the same task of making three books from scratch. He's been working on this one story for most of his life at this point. Completing book 3 is not just completing book 3, it's closing the door on a major chapter of his life, and that honestly just doesn't seem like an idea that Rothfuss is comfortable with. The tragedy, in my opinion, is that being stuck in this "race" or "journey" prevents him from partaking in any others, and given how long and difficult this particular process for this particular saga has been for both him and his fans, how many people would even want to partake in the next one knowing this author's habits?
I think your close to the mark there and something like this seems probable.
If you really think about it, this is the old tale of at imitating life. We're in a holding pattern with Kvothe pretending to be a bartender, no longer able to practice his craft. The story presided over by rothfuss, pretending to be a gamer, no longer able to practice HIS craft.
This is the answer
I'm glad the pizza guy asked about book 3. That kinda made my night.
What if it wasn’t him who wrote the book? What if it was a friend or family member, and that person passed away, before they were able to write the last book? Honestly, that makes more sense than anything he’s said, over the last decade.
This is a good plot for a mystery 😂
Sanderson will probably finish it for him someday lol
Nah. He can't finish it for him.. That is why it's not come out.
Has anyone tried not caring about him or his books?
There is no way book 3 is going to make people happy. Book 2 was such an odd second novel and does not move the plot forward much in regard to the first novels "promise". so much would have to happen to address all the questions built up over book 1 and 2 that I can't see it happening in a similar number of pages or without a fourth book.
Rothfuss himself may be having mental health issues but that won't change the fact he has sullied his reputation as an author. He got famous quickly and lived off the benefits of that fame, enjoying conventions, meeting celebrities and now I think resents the fandom for expectations he has set.
Rothfuss and RR Martin trying to outdo each other in procrastination
Why the fuck would he ever WRITE book 3 when we keep paying to hear some small shred of news about book 3? I honestly don't blame him, we as consumers need to realize we enable this sort of bullshit by continuing to pay for it.
8:44 calling it a duology 😂 actually, i think i'm going to adopt this now, i don't think we should call it a trilogy anymore until such a time book 3 release date is announced.
I think the third silence is US, waiting to die without finishing Kvothe's story.
I did not realize his editor had not seen a word of book 3 (as of July 2020). He was paid a lot of money to write a book. Sooner or later, the people who hold that contract are going to demand he produce what they paid for. I don't hate the guy, but I wouldn't want to be in his shoes if/when the lawyers start coming. Seems like the easiest solution would be to focus on writing the book. Might save him a lot of trouble later.
I hope they just want the money back and say "fuck you Rothfuss."
He should just hire Brandon Sanderson to ghost write the final book…. Or turn the final book into the three books we need to tie up the series. 😆
Oh gosh, let's hope he doesn't "Hobbit film adaptation" this up.
yeah, Brandon Sanderson has already been proven to deliver.
Sanderson doesn't have the chops. I enjoy his work but his writing style isn't nearly as good.
@@antonenb Untrue, his STYLE is not suited to it. The style of simplified prose is a strategy he employs because it allows him to write quickly and focus on the emotional connections to characters. It's not that he CAN'T write sophisticated prose - but that also doesn't mean he's the right person for this series. We already know that he can emulate other authors' writing styles. Robert Jordan didn't have a particularly simple prose style, but most casual readers don't even notice a major difference when transitioning to Sandersons' installments in wheel of time.
As an avid fan of this series, i have to thank you so so much for covering this issue!
Its so crazy to have your fans donate and promise them honestly easy and very do able goals and then not come through, I dont think an author straight up owes anyone anything, once your promising things for money though is when you start owing people.
Professional authors are contracted. It is what mess them professional. They do owe books. I never understood why people make this argument when you would literally be fired and/or sued for notnot
fulfilling the terms of your contract in any other profession.
@@darksaint0124 so if these professionals bring in different amounts for the publishing house when have you done enough? When you have sold 10 million copies for name of the wind or another 10 million copies for wise man's fears? That publishing company is lucky as can be to have him, they know it, hr knows it and there other 95% of "employees" (as you see it) haven't made the boss as much as he has combined. Honestly "fans" like you are laughable, so let me know at what point you have done enough, if you make the company you work for 100 million bucks but another employee completes his "contract" and makes them 5 million bucks, who has done a better job? Fyi its the person who's still with the publishing company because they know if they drop and sue another publishing company would pick him up in a heartbeat.
@@darksaint0124 Why make the charity promise that is called a scam and premeditated if what you saying is true.
He can go to prison if he does not refund the money.
His the guy who wrote a trilogy without releasing the 3rd book.
KKC used to be my go to for reccomendation. Now its not even in conversation and my go to is the Stormlight Archive
Sad thing is it's been so long that I don't even care if he releases the book anymore. I will never buy it.
“... Apology now is of little consequence," she said, her voice flat and chill as slate. "Anything you say at this point cannot be trusted. You know I am well and truly angry, so you are in the grip of fear. This means I cannot trust any word you say, as it comes from fear. You are clever, and charming, and a liar. I know you can bend the world with your words. So I will not listen."
"Vashet to Kvothe”
― Patrick Rothfuss, The Wise Man's Fear
Authors don't owe us books, in principle. But anyone who has promised something to someone is morally obligated to keep his word.
4:02 the only reason patrick brainrotfuss answered is because it was mentioned that she's a girl
Lanre sought power and was cursed by losing that which he loved most after getting the power he desired. It may be that Kvothe achieved the power he sought, but lost that which he loved most and was cursed. There may be a third person that sought something only to gain it and in gaining it, lost that which he loved most. There may be a meta-ending to the book IRL.
By far the most coherent and sensible comment.
Let’s get Brandon Sanderson to write it….he’d finish in 6 months hahaha
And it would be good...
If he's got time to stream, he should be writing. Or researching for writing. Or going to the woods like Emerson to clear his head for eventual writing. Getting caught up in twitter politics and online nonsense is not doing anyone any good.
If I ever become a popular author, I hope I don't turn into this guy.
The main issue with Pat’s lying is how unnecessary it eventually became, I mean yeah back in the day no one knew jack about you so you had to say the trilogy was done and you had to simply polish it, but why not come clean in let’s say 2014 once you became a big name of the genre?
And also the last year you wrote a book.. Like bro just be straight with us.
well, because once you lie, you are trapped in that lie
Was the absolute biggest fan of Rothfuss the Author for the longest time since 2007. I certainly don't hate the guy, but at this point I can only fairly call him ' That guy who used to write books' .
It would be a lie to call him an active Author
I mean the problem here is not the release of the third book, fuck the third book, if he doesn't want to write it leave him. But you can't just go and scam people by using it. He owns to everyone who paid for the charity and got nothing.
Ya, third boo is one thing, living off fans as a streamer and chariety owner taking cash and not delivering is something else.
@@watcherofthewest8597 Right ? He goes from lazy writer to scammer.
First book sucked in my opinion. Seems like just good prose covering a mess of a story with terrible plotting. He has been a mediocre hack from the very beginning.
I'm sure people who've been reading the series since its release don't give af about him anymore. The story itself remains, it's still beautiful, comforting and incredibly immersive. But Pat... if he didn't write anything he can just tell the truth. We would be pissed, but making false promises is way worse. Adding pleas for money just adds to the frustration and is borderline insane
This is my issue! If you can't finish just say it. Please just tell us. I've been waiting so long and if it isn't coming... Just tell us.
He's too addicted to his fame to tell you the truth, it seems.@@alyssumn3884
Honestly, I think the fans would have been okay getting unedited readings of his book similar to the previews that Sanderson tends to put out at his events or occasionally on his streams. There's always an understanding that it's not final and thus speculation is just that, speculation. To me that seems like a good anxiety free way to let people know where you're at, not have to break promises, but also not compromise on the quality of writing.
Sanderson should just finish the damn thing.
Except.. When he released the second book he said the third was almost finished. I agree we would be happy with anything but... Not this
@@alyssumn3884 Yeah, that makes total sense. Rothfuss himself was open (at least in the past couple years) about the fact that by the end of the second book, he had had to rewrite nearly the entire novel for it to work. I wrote my comment in the spirit of what I think he should have done, not what he has. In the many years since book 2 was released, given his profession as a writer, something of substance should exist that he could show. Sadly he's either too neurotically afraid to show any of his current work, or there is none to show.
I decided like 4 years ago that if he releases the book I am not going to buy it, I would download it and that is it. Read joe Abercrombie books, he is a good author that likes the fans, releases a book every year. Patrick got famous and showed his real face, a guy that only wants money.
I just said this year I'm done waiting. If my S/O or a friend buys it I'll read it but fuck buying it.
lol Thank you so much for the ending. Knowing that he at least gets constant torment provides a little bit of solace.
I don't understand it, man ... at this point, the book 3 stress has consumed 10 good years of his life. He should have just written a bad or mediocre finale by 2015 and be done with it. This way, he could have left everyone with a complete trilogy that maybe would have had a little bit of a let down in the end - which would have been WAY better than the status quo.
And now he could have been 2 or 3 books into his next series while applying the previous learning experience.
Well, see you in 12 months or so when we all google this again.
edit: I just made some adjustments to my atrocious grammar since the post gained a lot of likes - the hypothetical nature of what I described appears to have transcended my initial non-native grasp on the English language ...
I'm a little sad to say this, bc kingkiller chronicles was my favourite series (until I met Sanderson), but if he'd done what you said, he wouldn't have the money he has now. He needed to extend this lie untill it colapsed on itself and that's happening rn. He doesn't have more ideas, he's not Brandon Sanderson who can have a 10 book series and still have material to do a whole universe.
“Knowing he gets constant torment gives me solace...” do you hear what you’re saying? If he tops himself, you’re going to regret your words big time.
@Corrina Please: I never said that I wanted him to commit suicide.
I only meant to say that I find joy in him being confronted with the consequences of his scamming. His scam wasn't anything earth-shattering - it was about roughly 3 weeks of my life I invested into his promised "trilogy"... just so he could try to pull me into his stupid "charity" scheme. Let's say it's a little upsetting, but nothing to get furious about.
And his "torment" is also not really a torment ... it's a f***ing pizza guy asking for book 3 and that's VERY funny. It's a perfect response in terms of karma.
Maybe my choice of words was a little exaggerated, so sorry for that.
@@CorrinaMusic I didn't read the darkness you did. To me it sounded like a fan disappointed who realized an author decided to capitalize on what he had and promised many more.
6 years ago I saw a photo of the third book on his facebook, years later in an interview in Spain he said that the book was finished and the editor was reading it for the last revision, the book has been written but they are waiting for the series on television to sell more books.
It is just really sad to see what he has become. I was pretty supportive of him about the third book questions for a long time. But not delivering what he promised after taking people's money along side not giving any fuck about his fans is on another level. At least a person can apologize and inform his fans and people he owe.
Maybe the pizza delivery dood should have said "trigger ⚠️ warning " before asking about book 3.
Idea - Is anyone here capable of writing the doors of stone? Write it and release it as a pdf.
I'm not under any legal obligation to start any Fantasy series that isn't finished already.
Why even compare Brandon and Patrick? One of the most legendary and prolific authors compared to a 2 book twitch streamer.
I'm tired of waiting for him or GRRM. Here pat, you wanna know what it's like? Lets Say I told you I could make everyone in the world stop asking you about book three. Let's say you bought into that heavily, and they stopped for the first 2 years... now let's say they all started asking again and 11 years down the road, you came to me saying"i thought you could make it stop" then i say, "they will stop again really soon" thats probably equivalent to what your fans feel.
He has no credibility. I don't care what he wrote or will write. I'm sickened by his disregardful for fans. He has no honor. Persuading people to donate to a charity on false pretenses should be a felony, and should be investigated.
I'm getting more and more convinced that Pat is just like an S-tier troll.. Writing an unfinished book series almost everyone loves, and then seeing how far he can play on their feelings for them wanting more... Makes more sense than him actually still working on it.
Maybe he didn’t write the books…and person who did passed away
Rothfuss is an excellent businessman.
He doesn't need to finish the book, and so he never will.
A life ambition of mine is to get on the same "fantasy discourse" talk shows and programs that discuss rothfuss and to push the following theses:
1) Rothfuss's is an amazing entrepreneur
2) entrepreneurs are primarily focused on value capture: that could be money, that could be attention, that could be vibes in a space, that could be a space itself
3) consumers would serve themselves better by divorcing their idea of rothfuss from the writer persona they first encountered him through.
4) every moment spent talking about rothfuss and pining after the 3rd book is a moment we could be finding new author/entreprenuers that give us what rothfuss and DAW promised us over a decade ago.
i got an amazon notification the other day saying "doors of stone drops tomorrow' clicking on it didn't bring me to a product page, and checking back this week i found nothing. super weird.
I hate people like this. It's always frustrating to make a deal with somebody, put up your end of the bargain then they don't hold theirs and it's too late to take what you were willing to give back.
Well at least during the last ten or twelve years your probably after realising he's the most overrated writer in history
😂😂😂 Swear to God.
I'm reading that first book.
It is unbelievably shite.
A teenage fantasy written by an average libido fueled middle schooler is what it is.
it’s obvious he is not writing for his fans right now. he could care less if we die before we get the next book. he is trying to make history
And how is he going to do that?
I just find Rothfuss hilarious at this point. It’s been eleven years! I understand that this has to be annoying. But dude, your entire professional life is tied to this thing by your own design. The money you made to pay the pizza guy is based off the book you wrote! If you want it to stop you just have to sit down and write one book. People do it all the time. You’ll be left alone. You just have to write one book
Great work on this. I was never a fan of the books (couldn't make it through book one after having it shipped to me here in Jamaica). And I've never quite liked the vibe I get from Patrick. This video makes me think there may have been a bit of a sixth sense thing going on there.
Hot take: this series has been a long con to get people to buy into Worldbuilders. It was never going to be finished. It’s just been an elaborate ad.
That is a truly insane amount of work for very little payoff
Jesus christ that donation goal was over a million dollars
just support for the hard work. well done and best of luck with growth
What is it with book authors named Patrick and their pretentiousness?
😂😂😂 lmao I wanna know too.
I came to terms years ago with the fact that he can't finish the book.
This guy is a bearded child. I don’t buy the “you’re not entitled to a third book” argument. People have invested their money into his story - which he promised would be 3 books long, drawing it to a conclusion. So yeah, when you pay for something - you’re entitled to what is promised. Change my mind
Authors don't owe us the book but they do owe us an explanation. Just say unfortunately at this time I am no longer working on the book
So contractual obligations don't exist?
He probably has a contract with a publishing company. He has to write the last book.
It's people like him and George RR that make me want to stay away from unfinished works. Do I love the song of ice and fier? Yes. Do I love the king killer Chronicles? Yes. Do I hate their creators? Also yes. I cannot want for the the day one of them dies and some other competent writer will finish their work, just like Brian Sanderson did for the wheel of time. Untill then, I am not recommending these great books to anybody. I am at the point where I don't even care about him or George anymore. They can go to....
I have been waiting and rereading till I lost all hope. I feel that the story cannot be finished in one book without seeming rushed or vague. I wonder why he didn't just write more if needed, rather then trying and trying to fit it into 1 final book?
At this point I don't think that we will ever see the third book - the way he is postponing this is like he is afraid to not live up to expectations or even to the standarts that he setted with his other books.
I have waited sooooooooooooooo longggggggggggg for The Doors of Stone. I'm beginning to think it may be one of three things, because when there are no plausible answers, no logical reasons, and no efforts to communicate truthfully, it winds up being one or more of 3 reasons; an addiction (games, drugs, alcohol, etc.), mental health issues ( depression, anxiety , coping badly with fame and fortune), and/or the muse has left the building (writer's block, or painted one's self into a corner). I can't begin to count the number of times I have recommended his books to friends, acquaintances, and anyone in the fiction or fantasy section of any bookstore I've been to. This is a real letdown. He's the only writer I have read, that once I finished the first two books, as well as The Slow Regard of Silent Things, I have immediately gone back to the beginning to reread them. The emotional pull as well as the world-building and the intelligence of the author's works is awesome. He has set himself up for high expectations from his readers/fanbase. I hope he can finish this, at least for himself, if not for us.
me as well, to all of this.
i have five finger dis- counted and purchased so many copies of his books and liberally given them away to anyone i felt would appreciate them and it hurts to still be waiting with no word at all, just an unkept promise.
It will be published when winds of winter is ready :)
Yep, just from his comments over the years and things he has done, I think he has mental health issues and they overtook him so he cannot write anymore, but also cannot admit it.
Bro at least you know unless he's in such a bad place be hurts himself or some freak accident happens. He still has the lifespan to eventually finish this damn series.
No fkn way ASOIAF gets released
I just Googled "Doors of Stone release date" and the first result that popped up was from Amazon that read, "This title will be released on November 15, 2022."
Yeah, I saw that too! But on Goodreads it says august 2030 🥲
There have been Amazon release dates put as a placeholder since 2013. They're never correct. Captured in Words YT channel even made a video.
I think he has been doing other things for to long and no longer has it in him anymore. That said I love his old writings.
He reminds me of Yandere Dev. Never a good comparison to be drawn.
Thanks for the video. I enjoyed it.
@PatrickRothfuss @PatrickRothfuss In December 2021 readers donated over $999,834.00 for Patrick Rothfuss to read a chapter from Doors of Stone with the expectation of "February at the latest." #DoorsofStone #PatrickRothfuss
It’s now 2023…
Unprofessional.
At this point the cliff’s notes would be great.
Denna is a Spy, Ash is Cinder, Bast is Kvothe’s son, His Mom is a Lackless, Kvothe is the final Chandrian, the King he kills is Jackis, the four plate door leads to the fey, Elodin is Taberlin the Great. Kvothe dies before he finishes his story. Great! We can finally fucking move on.
There never was going to be a 3rd book, not 1 word of it has or will be written
Honestly he should just pass the torch of the 3rd book onto like a group of dedicated fans/writers who have been thinking "what if" for the past 10 years. WE have plenty of ideas because his material fuled us to think about the what if's in the story line.
I just have to say. I have no evidence of this. But it's my assumption that he's isn't doing what he should with the charity money. He raises so much every year and doesn't talk much about after the fact. This my favorite book and quite honestly if it ever comes out I am gettin it second hand. I won't give this book another sale
7:01 damn this guy is making a good point.
he started his own publishing company after screwing the company that bought his first books. he should have to pay them back
He's sold his first novel, so he's entitled,. Sanderson sold his 13th novel, is humble.
Maybe he just likes all the attention that comes with having two extremely successful books and millions of readers pining for the third book. Given all the pent-up expectation there is NO way that Book 3 will EVER measure up. Because expectations are too high. If I had two highly successful novels I'd be working on Book 3 instead of farting around on social media and running a charity and whatnot. He might have a terrible case of writer's block. He might have zero passion for writing at this point. I think it's better to spend one's time waiting for the next Pynchon novel to drop rather than Patrick's 3rd novel.
Why is there random computer game footage in the background of this video? Just...why?
Just give the 3rd book to Sanderson to finish... Whatever I checked out. I only care enough to post this silly comment.
If an author hadn’t made promises to his audience regarding a piece of work then I would be of the opinion that that author owed nothing to anyone. It was just a bunch of First-World cry-babies throwing their toys out of the pram. But PR has courted and teased his fanbase with book 3 for nearly a decade. My own opinion: when I read the first few chapters of ITNOTW I was of the opinion that the author had written himself into a corner. I loved that book. It’s an damn near perfect underdog story. But what was going to come next? A picaresque tale of Kvothe becoming more and more awesome? Where’s the fun in reading that? I thought he should have left it at one book. Let the readers fill in the blanks. When the second book came out, I liked it fine enough, but I didn’t connect with the protagonist. Instead of coming along for a ride I was just watching a ride happen. The man has made a cross for his own back. If he would just come out and say, “I’m sorry, but the story I envisioned is just unwritable. I quit.” I’d have a lot more respect for him.
My main issue is... He literally said the third book was done when he released the second. Why even say that. Why express it. The likelihood is that he didn't have the end. Or he did and realized it was not the end. Either way... Give us something. Not these half things.
in the middle of re-reading "name of the wind" now lol
peace and wholeness fam
I liked the books but I dont compare Patrick to Tokien, Sanderson or GRR Martin. He is a little overrated and even if his books are entertaining, they are not masterpieces. I really loved the first one but the second was a bit boring sometimes and I didnt feel it as the "king's killer chronicles". Its just a magic bard who doesnt have money and that is in love with an exhausting woman. I lost interest in the third book long time ago but if he releases it I guess I'll read it but Im not hyped at all
If he cant even write an update blog post involving book 3 ... i think its over.
I support Rothfuss very much. I consider him one of the best fantasy novelists around today. But people are tired of waiting. I am tired of waiting. I get he's probably editing and revising it, I get he wants to make it perfect in his eyes. But here's thing: perfection doesn't exist, its a myth! Nothing will ever be perfect man. I get he wants it to come across well to his readers, but his prose and lyrical writing is beautiful. Regardless we just want a conclusion, a good one yes. Although, I think he's bit of more than he can chew. There is so much story left to tell, and I don't think its possible to finish it in one last book. It would have to be atleast four or five. I understand it takes time to write a fantasy book, but its been 12 years....12! Thats ridiculous! The problem here is his behavior man... when anytime someone asks about the third novel or even just mentions it in passing, he explodes or gets uncomfortable about it. Like if someone was wanting to know the progress on my book I would love that! It wouldn't make me feel 'dread.' The fact that he is getting angry with his fans about it is pretty stupid. I would never speak to my fans like that. I get the pressure of it, sure its annoying to be remarked about it constantly, but its pretty maddening to hear him act like a narcotic pig. Mental health, yes is nothing to laugh or snort at, its a difficult topic and it does effect peoples lives heavily. I've gone through depression and anxiety before and its crushing. But using it as an excuse to just get more clout from his first two books and failing promises is not right. Not only has he blocked people for asking about the third book, negative comments on tweets and videos, is childish for a fifty year old man. But he has NOT delivered the first promised chapter reading. Its been over a year, not apology. Your fans, including me, sent money to you man, and raised 1.25 million dollars to hear it. I'm surprised no one has started a lawsuit or sued him for it honestly.
So this has lead me to believe nine theories on the progress of The Doors of Stone:
1. He is readily editing and revising it as of now and trying to finish it, is what I am hoping for.
2. He hasn't been working on it as much.
3. Its being worked on, but it won't come out till the summer of 2023, or sometime in 2024
4. The pressure has gotten to him so badly he stopped writing it.
5. Or the scariest theory, he is lying on how much progress he has made on it, like mentioning he has written 400,000 words of it already. And to be honest, I don't think he has a lot of it done like he has told anyone.
6. He has grown tired of creating it and is taking a break, which means an extreme delay on the release date.
7. He has realized he's shot himself in the foot and made the story way bigger than he imagined, which makes him think he can't do it in just one more single work.
8. Or a slim ray of hope, he has been silent for like almost 10 months. No streams on twitch, very little tweets, and updates. And that it's just going to come out randomly with no if or warning.
9. Or it just simply is never going to come out.
So, yeah. I'm sick of the drama surrounding the book and awaiting it. I know this a long comment and a rant, but I am just tired of his behavior. When you advertise your books as a trilogy make it a fucking trilogy. At this point, I've started to write up to 2,000 pages of the third book myself.
Dude needs to just hire a team to ghost write the book. I'll stick to matt dinniman. I subscribe to his patreon and get to read his new book, chapter by chapter every few weeks as he writes it. Every once in a while he'll do a poll where we all vote in some upcoming element of the story. As much as I want to finish rothfuss' series, I know it not likely to ever happen.
Goddamnit Donut! Don't mix Matt up in this! He'll catch the Rothfuss curse!