Classical Composer Reacts to Holy Wars...The Punishment Due (Megadeth) | The Daily Doug (Ep. 169)

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    In this episode of #TheDailyDoug, I'm reacting to Holy Wars...The Punishment Due by Megadeth. This song came out in 2001. While I wasn't blown away by this song, I appreciate their subject matter and aesthetic.
    Reference Video: • Megadeth - Holy Wars.....

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  • @kh2freek
    @kh2freek 2 роки тому +3522

    I would say in Dave’s defense, the vocal isn’t really supposed to be melodic. It’s supposed to sound angry.

    • @hermeslepinski857
      @hermeslepinski857 2 роки тому +342

      In fact he is not a singer, he is a guitarrist that sing

    • @DM-rc4yu
      @DM-rc4yu 2 роки тому +131

      He just isn't a good vocalist.

    • @wind-upboy939
      @wind-upboy939 2 роки тому +33

      @@hermeslepinski857 But there are many guitar players who can sing, e.g. Brian May, Ritchie Kotzen or Gary Moore.

    • @daveassanowicz186
      @daveassanowicz186 2 роки тому +27

      Angst and cynicism

    • @kh2freek
      @kh2freek 2 роки тому +72

      @@DM-rc4yu Peace Sells has a perfect vocal, and it has nothing to do with how good a *singer* Dave is

  • @tokyoneko23
    @tokyoneko23 2 роки тому +247

    Dave actually didn't want to sing cause he said he couldn't really sing but couldn't find a singer so he took on the role. Honestly I love his voice it's different in a sea of same

    • @MultiPolix
      @MultiPolix Рік тому +20

      Well, it's like reacting to Motorhead and saying Lemmy doesn't sing well lol
      Sometimes it's not about the technique, but the feels u gave to the song.

    • @lucan_nn
      @lucan_nn Рік тому

      heyyyy i love ur pfp 🤭🤭🤭

    • @fries5849
      @fries5849 9 місяців тому

      If I remember correctly, the dude didn’t want to sing but his band members loved his vocals so he finally took the job after he couldn’t find a vocalist.

    • @bilalcan2366
      @bilalcan2366 9 місяців тому +1

      I need to mention that he likes Ozzy Osbourne’s vocals much than Dave’s😅

    • @mixedcryptoarts3579
      @mixedcryptoarts3579 5 місяців тому

      R & B maybe is more for Doug.

  • @dezmilad
    @dezmilad Рік тому +140

    I'm really disappointed that Doug didn't notice marty's solos, especially the acoustic one

    • @eccehomer8182
      @eccehomer8182 10 місяців тому +16

      Nor how complex some of those riffs are... harder than a lot of guitarist's solos!

    • @JamesEvans-uh7nu
      @JamesEvans-uh7nu 9 місяців тому +12

      He’s a Metallica fan boy

    • @bobravenscraft5376
      @bobravenscraft5376 8 місяців тому +4

      He's not a guitarist apparently

    • @bobravenscraft5376
      @bobravenscraft5376 8 місяців тому

      Flat 5. Metal. Is this New to you dude?

    • @mizutsunethewaterdancer2155
      @mizutsunethewaterdancer2155 6 місяців тому +1

      TO ME THE HIS REACTION IS JACKED UP, HE TALKS TO MUCH WHILE THE SONG IS PLAYING, HE DIDN'T NOTICE ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING NO COMMENTS ON THE SOLOS, HE WAS'NT COOL IN MY OPINION HE SUCKED!!!!!!!

  • @jimidave6281
    @jimidave6281 2 роки тому +478

    "A little bit better guitar"
    As a guitarist, that really jars. The most impressive thing about are the guitar riffs, solos, transitions, rhythm and the whole technicality of the guitar piece. I'm amazed that, even if you didn't like it, you couldn't appreciate it at a purely technical level.

    • @hedheb2619
      @hedheb2619 Рік тому +28

      who cares what some jerk thinks. It's just like reading bad movie reviews of Predator.

    • @blakejohnson2206
      @blakejohnson2206 Рік тому +24

      Yeah I'm not the biggest fan of Megadeth, but Dave's solo was clearly supposed to be chaotic and in a way, a representation of the absolute insanity of war.

    • @mistermxyzptlk7841
      @mistermxyzptlk7841 Рік тому +62

      This is a nerds' interpretation of one of the sickest metal songs of all time. It makes sense that he wouldn't get it.

    • @josephcichowski5135
      @josephcichowski5135 Рік тому +1

      he shouldnt have watched the video

    • @chrismartin500
      @chrismartin500 Рік тому +18

      This is probably the best thrash metal song of all time. It you don't like it you just aren't a metal fan.

  • @davek6949
    @davek6949 2 роки тому +1053

    Mustaine certainly isn't a classically good singer. However, his voice fits the music, more importantly.

    • @Jason17300
      @Jason17300 2 роки тому +40

      He’s just not a good singer at all, by any measure.

    • @Heiteinah
      @Heiteinah 2 роки тому +51

      The one impressive thing going on for him is how crazy are the arrangements he is playing on guitar while singing something completely different. That is the one big compliment I can give Dave.

    • @geugen14
      @geugen14 2 роки тому +4

      @@Jason17300 that's actually a positive in my book, I dont feel as self-conscious and shameful when singing/humming along XD

    • @davek6949
      @davek6949 2 роки тому +19

      @@Jason17300 I can't argue that but his voice doesn't usually bother me on their songs since it kinda fits for me...Sort of like early Rush when Geddy's voice was a bit screechy.

    • @garymitchell5899
      @garymitchell5899 2 роки тому +1

      @@davek6949 His voice is wrong, just wrong. It doesn't fit the songs, because 1) the songs are a total mess, and 2) he can't sing.

  • @ahmo2
    @ahmo2 2 роки тому +334

    DOUG: Guitars not good enough.
    Marty Friedman: WTF?

    • @scottlouissmith2382
      @scottlouissmith2382 2 роки тому +1

      I agree with you!!!!

    • @EbayFigureReviews
      @EbayFigureReviews 2 роки тому

      LOL!!

    • @AlexManiacDrunkard
      @AlexManiacDrunkard 2 роки тому +4

      Only E?
      What about the middle part..?
      This is one of the all time classics!
      Doug..... You need to review your concepts about this song lol

    • @joey_ramone_96
      @joey_ramone_96 2 роки тому +2

      @@AlexManiacDrunkard definitely, this dude is basically disappointed because a thrash metal song doesn't have the same characteristics a classical piece has, this dude could never listen to punk, it'd drive his classical brain crazy, I thought a "musician" would be able to recognise the differences between genres and types of musics and appreciate them for what they are, not for what they aren't

  • @philippebelhumeur7484
    @philippebelhumeur7484 Рік тому +61

    This is a pure metal anthem. The guitar solo is a powerhouse. Dave Mustaine vocals are neutral indeed, but very angry. Goosbumps, everytime.

  • @psizzle8541
    @psizzle8541 2 роки тому +405

    *listens to one of the greatest thrash metal songs every, performed by arguably some of the best musicians in the genre*
    "eh, it was ok"

    • @AlexManiacDrunkard
      @AlexManiacDrunkard 2 роки тому +5

      Lol

    • @katsu395
      @katsu395 2 роки тому +23

      lol, you're right ! He can't appreciate this type of music ...

    • @cvzanikos1
      @cvzanikos1 Рік тому +5

      Exactly!!!!

    • @Krysdavar
      @Krysdavar Рік тому +14

      @@katsu395 Oh but he appreciates Metallica when it's on the same note though...(E flat is it? I forget)

    • @katsu395
      @katsu395 Рік тому +5

      @@Krysdavar no, e minor 😉

  • @DennisTrovato
    @DennisTrovato 2 роки тому +532

    Yea, Thrash Metal as a whole isn't that harmonically complex. It's just not what the genre is about. The sauce is in the rhythms and riffs.

    • @Kylora2112
      @Kylora2112 2 роки тому +47

      Yup. A drum coach would definitely spend about a week talking about Nick's drumming here, and yeah, thrash is all about those time/tempo changes and sick riffs. You can't approach thrash the way you would a classical piece or a pop song.

    • @goncalobaia1574
      @goncalobaia1574 2 роки тому +23

      I mean, Megadeth is quite melodiously and harnoniously complex for what the genre is. Thing is it's pretty much all disguised in the low notes

    • @MrSweenie
      @MrSweenie 2 роки тому +6

      Yep, not a genre that is suited for this format

    • @Nissardpertugiu
      @Nissardpertugiu 2 роки тому +5

      Riffs can have harmony value

    • @Nissardpertugiu
      @Nissardpertugiu 2 роки тому +3

      @Billy White Jr. agression is an intention .

  • @swngwyrdd3552
    @swngwyrdd3552 2 роки тому +1168

    "I'm not a big fan of the vocals"
    Welcome to being a Megadeth fan!

    • @albedo0point39
      @albedo0point39 2 роки тому +20

      Dave's personality makes up for it though! :D

    • @prathikkannan3324
      @prathikkannan3324 2 роки тому +98

      @@albedo0point39 His vocals grow on u though, pretty sure anyone who listened to Megadeth at first wasnt a huge fan of his vocals, and mainly stayed for the killer drums and riffs. Nonetheless, his voice grows on u, I find myself thoroughly enjoying his vocals in Holy wars, My last words, Tornado of souls, and more :)

    • @albedo0point39
      @albedo0point39 2 роки тому +9

      @@prathikkannan3324 oh yes, for sure. I had ‘killing’ and ‘peace’ on vinyl when they came out… always preferred Megadeth to Metallica TBH.

    • @Applecornflakes
      @Applecornflakes 2 роки тому +1

      Lmao

    • @renatobosa
      @renatobosa 2 роки тому +6

      Maybe for some folks... I don't agree, I like it... but I recognize and accept it's different and some people can not like it.

  • @aswinosbalaji4224
    @aswinosbalaji4224 2 роки тому +172

    Megadeth is a revolutionary band that has broken stereotypes.... Dont expect progressive metal while looking for mustaine... It is thrash pure... He is thrash metal god

    • @hamesparde9888
      @hamesparde9888 2 роки тому +4

      Yeah I did think it was wired when he implied that they were prog.

    • @ayoitscat
      @ayoitscat 2 роки тому +3

      He's pure thrash but still very technical, although admittedly slightly less on this song

    • @hamesparde9888
      @hamesparde9888 2 роки тому +1

      @@ayoitscat Yeah like theme or not they and Dave are pure thrash. Their one of the defining bands!

    • @heresjohnny999
      @heresjohnny999 Рік тому +2

      this is progressive thrash/speed metal

  • @gridthrottle
    @gridthrottle 2 роки тому +43

    The best Megadeth lineup, Mustaine, Ellefson, Menza and Friedman! One of the best thrash metal you'll ever hear.

    • @SeanEnginetechnology
      @SeanEnginetechnology 6 місяців тому

      Amen brother.. Soo far beyond anything else I've ever heard -- they completely rocked every single time I saw them in concert!!

  • @NathanaelFosaaen
    @NathanaelFosaaen 2 роки тому +1042

    It's kinda amazing that you overlooked every interesting compositional choice they made because you're looking for key changes, and they didn't do any. Megadeth is not about the harmonic structures. It's about the specific notes, and the timing of those notes. Listen to Marty's solos. how he hits out of key notes and bends them into tune, and then how he will insert a chromatic phrase or abruptly change modes to create instability. Listen to how one iteration of a riff will use 5ths and the next will use major 3rds. They are almost obnoxiously subtle in their choices.

    • @gymnassfan
      @gymnassfan 2 роки тому +99

      What he said.

    • @Nghilifa
      @Nghilifa 2 роки тому +65

      I was about to mention the use of regular root-fifth powerchords and root-major third diads in the main riff, but I think that's something that's more obvious to a guitarist than Doug, who plays the piano.

    • @ahmo2
      @ahmo2 2 роки тому +20

      Not key changes? There is at least one in the beginning riff.

    • @potorrero
      @potorrero 2 роки тому +3

      @@gymnassfan you beat me to it

    • @trian796
      @trian796 2 роки тому +12

      Dude, if you already know everything about this song then why bother watching his or any reaction? To hear him say things you already know or things you want to hear? He wasn't impressed with the song, end of story. At least he's honest.

  • @audionci
    @audionci 2 роки тому +305

    "And I hate to say it... a little bit better guitar" - With Marty Friedman on the lead? - It doesn't get to be much better than that :D
    Take a moment to actually listen to the expressiveness of those solos

    • @jejeninjaki
      @jejeninjaki 2 роки тому +12

      The expressiveness of the solos and also the riffs. That creativity is the Graal of most Metal genres

    • @jonathanatkinson5256
      @jonathanatkinson5256 2 роки тому +39

      Quite honestly, I don’t think Doug actually listens to the solos during his reactions - he often reaches for his piano and tries to play along with them, when in my opinion they are the parts of the songs that require full attention with no interruption

    • @audionci
      @audionci 2 роки тому +10

      Well, I suppose it's like that with any other instrument... Sometimes, it just takes a guitarist to fully appreciate a great guitar solo :)
      Others can fall asleep :)) But Marty here is one unique player IMO
      And to Dave's credit, it's an art in itself to sing anything, and churn out those riffs
      Also, hes vocal here just fits the song's message, perfectly

    • @darthchopper9016
      @darthchopper9016 2 роки тому +14

      Doug… never did anyone understand so much and so little of metal.

    • @ikon8507
      @ikon8507 2 роки тому +2

      the song selection was unfortunate

  • @dehypnotizer
    @dehypnotizer 2 роки тому +425

    "A little bit better guitar" - lol, that's the biggest absurd I've ever heard. Marty and Dave are absolutely the most talented players, on top of that you talked through one of the most iconic Marty's solos. Chromatics, arpeggios, dude... Sorry, but for an educated piano player like me this album is a masterpiece (still, unbeatable).

    • @matthewgrissop9408
      @matthewgrissop9408 2 роки тому +21

      I'de like to see him jam like this

    • @michaeldinsen7641
      @michaeldinsen7641 2 роки тому +30

      Facts...Rust in Piece is masterpiece

    • @PHILLY214
      @PHILLY214 2 роки тому +4

      They are lacking skill compared to classical musicians....bur still fire

    • @benearhart1224
      @benearhart1224 2 роки тому +11

      I agree w.r.t. Marty Friedman. If there was anything for a classical composer to really pick apart it would be Marty's work, IMO. But, I don't think this particular tune was a good selection for this particular channel.

    • @JoaoRambo
      @JoaoRambo 2 роки тому +1

      Fact man.

  • @glenjamin2703
    @glenjamin2703 2 роки тому +21

    I think the most impressive part of this song is how Dave is able to sing while playing the verse.

  • @attattatt
    @attattatt 2 роки тому +653

    I always thought Dave's voice was perfect for their sound.

    • @anthonypeterson3112
      @anthonypeterson3112 2 роки тому +39

      His voice is unique, unlike Doug the critic who is just another voice that could be replaced by any other and not be missed

    • @thomasc.4637
      @thomasc.4637 2 роки тому +4

      @@anthonypeterson3112 Dude, just shut up 😂

    • @mason3872
      @mason3872 2 роки тому +17

      @@anthonypeterson3112 unique does not mean good though, I love megadeth and they are one of my favorite bands and the band that got me into playing guitar but Dave’s vocals objectively just aren’t good. I can’t imagine any other vocalist working for their sound but that does not mean he is a good vocalist.

    • @TheeMissingLinc
      @TheeMissingLinc 2 роки тому +11

      @@anthonypeterson3112 agreed. Megadeth including its vocals is exactly as it needs to be ..

    • @anthonypeterson3112
      @anthonypeterson3112 2 роки тому +1

      @@TheeMissingLinc saw Megadeth 2x and their live sound is one of the best I've ever heard, after Korn who was the best. They sounded better than even Metallica, who were really great.

  • @trenthogan4212
    @trenthogan4212 2 роки тому +503

    I absolutely love his vocals on this song. This is a metal masterpiece. I personally love Dave's voice; it's edgy and unique.

    • @southsidemichael386
      @southsidemichael386 2 роки тому +22

      Right??? Rust In Peace as a whole is incredible!!!

    • @michaelmccoy1794
      @michaelmccoy1794 2 роки тому +7

      Affirmative.

    • @lfabio.n
      @lfabio.n 2 роки тому +4

      Agreed, but he's not into the rage Mustaine used to deliver, not his kind of music, from Rust In Peace to Cryptic Writings they made four masterpieces imo

    • @Brooklyn_Ann
      @Brooklyn_Ann 2 роки тому +8

      ME TOO. Dave doesn't sing pretty, but he sings with passion and personality and that counts for A LOT.

    • @tonyvaladez5474
      @tonyvaladez5474 2 роки тому +10

      If your listening to metal looking for pop music vocals you will be disappointed.

  • @vincebaker2754
    @vincebaker2754 2 роки тому +36

    I think Dave's voice goes very well with the music. Couldn't imagine anyone else singing for Megadeth. But if you want melody, great guitar work, and awesome vocal range you need to hear Question of Heaven by Iced Earth.

  • @soulstice99
    @soulstice99 2 роки тому +427

    This guy is out of his element. One of the best metal songs EVER ...period

    • @fieldsofwickedness
      @fieldsofwickedness 2 роки тому +37

      I agree. He’s doesn’t understand how perfect Daves voice is for this.

    • @canadagoose8543
      @canadagoose8543 Рік тому +52

      He's also biased. He criticized Holy Wars for riding the E, but when reviewing Blackened (a song that rides the E even more), suddenly riding the E is not a big issue.

    • @SHREDTILLDEAD
      @SHREDTILLDEAD Рік тому +13

      Best thrash album ever. He says sharp 4 which is enharmonically correct but in music I think it is always called the flat 5 because the fourth is the " perfect fourth " it is always the same interval in the major scale and every mode of it but lydian.

    • @Justin-uw3ly
      @Justin-uw3ly Рік тому +2

      Agreed

    • @rickycarter536
      @rickycarter536 Рік тому

      @@fieldsofwickedness There is a reason why they kicked Dave out of Metallica. stop defending his shitty voice.

  • @spaceman01
    @spaceman01 2 роки тому +80

    You dislike the vocal part but missed absolutely genius guitar by Marty Friedman. That’s what is this album is glorious for. Tornado of souls is the best metal solo in history, no doubt

    • @abebrazil4309
      @abebrazil4309 2 роки тому +7

      Dude shouldn’t even be able to listen to tornado of souls or any other song on the album or by Megadeth in general. He’s not worthy of it. I would love to see him argue with Dave and Marty about the song, bet they would teach him some things.

  • @az_atheist
    @az_atheist 2 роки тому +699

    Appreciate the honesty, too many reaction channels think they dare not dislike anything for fear of losing subscribers or whatever.

    • @centaurus5676
      @centaurus5676 2 роки тому +60

      Most are fake and act like they have never heard the song before! Doug is the real deal!

    • @JasonSmith-lp6wg
      @JasonSmith-lp6wg 2 роки тому +20

      @@centaurus5676 There was one classical singer who gave, absolutely, brilliant - by bluntly honest - reviews (in fact, he, probably, gave too much information), and I loved it; unfortunately, he basically, called out Bruce Dickinson for not having the best technique (which, though I love Maiden, is obvious), and was getting death threats for it. I think he quit, which is a shame.

    • @daisy9664
      @daisy9664 2 роки тому +8

      @@JasonSmith-lp6wg Are you talking about Zach? :) He quit because he started getting some real lawsuit treats from a very famous YT vocal couch if I'm not mistaken...

    • @JasonSmith-lp6wg
      @JasonSmith-lp6wg 2 роки тому +1

      @@daisy9664 Ok, didn't know that. He was getting some pretty aggressive comments, though, from what I remember. Which coach and why?

    • @cholestroll8937
      @cholestroll8937 2 роки тому +1

      @@JasonSmith-lp6wg I'm interested too

  • @phatagorva6076
    @phatagorva6076 Рік тому +16

    To be clear. Whole rust in peace album is guitar masterpiece. Marty's solos are stunningly beautiful, complex and fit's to song. Holy wars is metal standard, as are so many other songs from this album.

  • @SkyblueHippie
    @SkyblueHippie Рік тому +16

    I cannot for the life of me imagine anyone else being the vocalist for Megadeth. This band is just different, and the guy himself is a genius. You need to look from a different perspective when listening to especially the earlier albums of this band.

  • @MR-ml2po
    @MR-ml2po 2 роки тому +222

    The guitarist, Marty Friedman, is actually quite an amazing guitarist. You should make it a point to actually look up some of his work.

    • @Mountfailmore
      @Mountfailmore 2 роки тому +14

      Not to mention he was actually in a band with Jason Becker back in the days and played on each other's solo albums.

    • @Morphoidism
      @Morphoidism 2 роки тому +13

      @@Mountfailmore It was called cacophony, only released 2 albums, but they were great.

    • @Mountfailmore
      @Mountfailmore 2 роки тому +3

      @@Morphoidism Yeah I got both on CD. Trying to not overwhelm Doug with too much details lol

    • @scottykingdavid
      @scottykingdavid 2 роки тому +2

      Agreed. Jason Beckers other half.. Marty Friedman strangest picking style I have problems with

    • @eaglewarrior8707
      @eaglewarrior8707 2 роки тому +1

      @@scottykingdavid I think Marty's picking style is more of a take on Gypsy guitar.

  • @mak8836
    @mak8836 2 роки тому +52

    Best Megadeth line up. RIP Nick Menza.

  • @nunomachado2110
    @nunomachado2110 2 роки тому +14

    This song could have been written today. Masterpiece ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

  • @JacobBailey
    @JacobBailey 2 роки тому +8

    Bruh. For me this is not only the best metal song ever written, it is one of the top songs of any type ever written. A total masterpiece!🔥🔥🔥

  • @TexasGuitarist
    @TexasGuitarist 2 роки тому +94

    When I saw you were doing this song, my first thought was that it wasn't going to be a positive review from Doug. He just hears things in a much different way. Chord progressions, harmonically rich orchestrations, and Melody. Lastly, he pays attention to the time signatures. While this song is mainly in 4/4, or all In 4/4, it has a lot of quirky rhythmic twists and turns, but that's not what Doug's focus is.
    Also, speaking of the vocals, I think James Hetfield said it best. The vocals and thrash metal are not a melodic instrument mainly. They're a rhythmic instrument. Thrash metal guys are always going to get a lot of that. Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, early Metallica, they all treated their voice mainly as another Rhythm instrument with words. Later on in their career a lot of those guys are singing more melodically, but they really didn't worry about Melody too much. Kind of like punk rock.

    • @YannickTMessiah
      @YannickTMessiah 2 роки тому +2

      @@markjohnston3790 Even though, many of the Anthrax songs don't have much melody in the vocals, like in other thrash metal bands. It's not because he can't deliver, he can and he eventually does, but it's the songwriting approach that is different. It's a thrash metal thing really, it's the genre, not the singer.

    • @Nghilifa
      @Nghilifa 2 роки тому +1

      @@markjohnston3790 Yup. Joey cannot be compared to the other thrash metal vocalists at all. He's more like Bruce Dickinson in that regard. Joey is an actual SINGER, whilst the other guys "just make do" (not that I don't like 'em, but like I said earlier, they cannot be compared to Joey Belladonna).

    • @user-no7ef5qk4m
      @user-no7ef5qk4m 2 роки тому

      It might seem strange but I hear the melody in this song !

  • @farn451
    @farn451 2 роки тому +182

    Takes a while to get into Dave's voice. He's not a singer he's a deliverer of lyrics and attitude and sometime there's a note in there... Shot the video in a metal walled warehouse in a Texas summer, too hot for shirts!

    • @BlackRoseImmortal
      @BlackRoseImmortal 2 роки тому +2

      Yeah they mentioned that in the Rusted Pieces video. They started out fully clothed but they said after a couple hours of shooting it shot up to over 100 degrees in there.

    • @jeffreycollins7297
      @jeffreycollins7297 2 роки тому +4

      Deliverer of Lyrics and Attitude. Sounds like a tagline he should have on his business cards. :D

    • @VegaMyster
      @VegaMyster 2 роки тому +2

      He'd probably enjoy some of the songs off of Youthanasia a lot more than this, Dave's vocals as a whole remind me of someone playing a character and I've appreciated it more as times gone on because he sounds like no one else.

    • @pendleeldnep
      @pendleeldnep 2 роки тому

      @@VegaMyster exactly - he's an actor - if we're measuring theatre then he's as god as Bruce in delivering a story.

    • @coryb2173
      @coryb2173 2 роки тому

      Perfect description of Dave’s vocal duties!!

  • @mrmanju6989
    @mrmanju6989 Рік тому +9

    The riffs, especially the verse while he sings are insane. The slight variation and variety within the intro through the verse was insane. It went unmentioned bc the song stays in E though....cmon brah. There was loads good about this song to talk about. The song is all about the guitar riffs. There's like 17 riffs or somethign insane in there

  • @phillipweber6059
    @phillipweber6059 8 місяців тому +2

    5:19
    "Waaaaaaage the waaaaaaar....."
    That vocal line still gives me goosebumps every single time I hear it.
    While Mustaine admits himself that he's not a singer, that vocal is perfect for this song.
    Btw, the mid section of this song (which begins with that line) is based on the comic book "The Punisher"
    "Some people risk to employ me
    Some people live to destroy me...."

  • @TheBuglemouthBass
    @TheBuglemouthBass 2 роки тому +379

    Huge Megadeth fan here, and this is objectively one of the best songs of the classic thrash era. As others have said, thrash was not about melody...Metallica probably brought the most of it, and that's likely the reason they broke through moreso than the others of the era. All that said, thanks for the honesty Doug, I can't stand reaction channels that don't dare to speak truthfully in fear of losing subscribers. Keep on being you sir.

    • @charlesburger7973
      @charlesburger7973 2 роки тому +14

      59 years old, and I truly "discovered" thrash metal only about 2 years ago. As I have grown older, my tastes have evolved (to harder music, actually), and thrash really resonates with my soul, for some reason. However, I can appreciate any good music, including classical pieces. But, the bottom line is, musical tastes evolve or change, and this kind of music is an "acquired taste", like coffee, which I hated at first, but to which I am now addicted.

    • @michaeltravis8749
      @michaeltravis8749 2 роки тому +8

      If it wasnt for Dave Mustaine there wouldn't be a Metallica they stole daves music and that was what made Metallica

    • @SoloDallasII
      @SoloDallasII 2 роки тому +4

      "thrash was not about melody." Well, that explains why I don't like thrash, then. Props for being honest.

    • @biscobisco1882
      @biscobisco1882 2 роки тому +7

      Thrash is loaded with melody - it's just carried by the guitars far more than the vocals.
      If you think this song isn't melodic - what would you call the very first riff Dave plays? The triplet melody that Doug mentions over the first riff? Either of Marty's solos, or the riff underneath the second? The "waaaage the waaaaar" riff?
      All loaded with melody!

    • @EgoChip
      @EgoChip 2 роки тому

      Um... Anthrax?

  • @Mantis.Sartinoli
    @Mantis.Sartinoli 2 роки тому +147

    "There's not a lot of melody in the voice" you just described most thrash metal xD

    • @Qthetar
      @Qthetar 2 роки тому +2

      This guy thinks it’s pop 😂

    • @Mantis.Sartinoli
      @Mantis.Sartinoli 2 роки тому

      @@Qthetar to be fair, he hasn't been exposed to metal that focuses on rythm, with little to no melody like thrash and death metal...and melody is not something exclusive to pop either...

    • @Qthetar
      @Qthetar 2 роки тому +3

      @@Mantis.Sartinoli but he expects a lot of melody in his voice wtf 🤦‍♂️. It’s the message of the music, imagine if Justin Bieber singing this song, it wouldn’t fit the song, melody doesn’t make better songs, if something is meant to be a certain way and it’s done masterfully then there is no reason to add stuff that will ruin and make it sound weird. I can’t imagine Iron Maiden singer singing this serious song, it would sound weird and wouldn’t fit the music at all. Also the fact this clown thinks he can play this song in his guitar 😂. It’s a technical albums with advanced rhythms.

    • @Mantis.Sartinoli
      @Mantis.Sartinoli 2 роки тому +1

      @@Qthetar normally in almost any type of music, people would expect melody from a singer...we can argue that Mustaine is no singer because he doesn't really sing, at least not in this song...I agree with you in the fact that no one can sing Megadeth songs but Mustaine, but at the same time you gotta understand that there are many people that don't like his voice and his way of singing...and that's fine, not everyone has to like everything, I know I certainly didn't like Megadeth the first time I heard them because of Mustaine's voice and now I love them and I think his voice is key to their sound. I missed the guitar part you mentioned I guess. And I think that the clown part is unnecessary, the guy's just being honest, he can't please everyone and I'm sure he knows that...

    • @Mantis.Sartinoli
      @Mantis.Sartinoli 2 роки тому +1

      @@Qthetar also, I haven't seen him play guitar but there are plenty of people who can play this song in the world, and that doesn't take merit away from Mustaine or Friedman for composing it and being able to play it...

  • @user-pu4iz2yv3v
    @user-pu4iz2yv3v 2 роки тому +2

    Some comments talk about being honest. I don’t think the point is about being honest, it’s about analyzing the art from the correct perspective. This video is like analyzing a painting by Van Gogh using the academic parameters of his time or having a death metal fan analyzing a slow jazz standard. One needs the correct experience, knowledge and background in the specific field to analyze a piece of art. This song is a masterpiece in its style/genre and all its elements (voice and instruments) serve the song perfectly.

  • @madzebra3364
    @madzebra3364 8 місяців тому +3

    This whole album is an utter masterpiece. I personally love Hangar 18 and Tornado more, but RIP is untouchable.

  • @metalpalace
    @metalpalace 2 роки тому +352

    I'm surprised you didn't comment on any of Marty's two guitar solos. He's actually one of the great guitar virtuosos. He does some incredibly interesting things with Melody in his two solos on this song.

    • @heisenberg470
      @heisenberg470 2 роки тому +39

      He does not understand anything about guitar playing, simple!

    • @abebrazil4309
      @abebrazil4309 2 роки тому +23

      Often orchestra fans/players/composers (what ever) are super jealous and critical of guitar players, especially solos. You can just see it on their face.

    • @scottyvand
      @scottyvand 2 роки тому +4

      Marty was everything to me. I loved Dave but Marty was huge.

    • @mialarssen2627
      @mialarssen2627 2 роки тому

      That sounds killer: ua-cam.com/video/vIVxvXdZfO4/v-deo.html

    • @mattklassen8599
      @mattklassen8599 2 роки тому +8

      Yes it's not a proper review without addressing Marty Friedman. Especially when the review is done by a classical composer. Really is a waste to not recognize his harmonic composition in solos.

  • @michaelmiglino6512
    @michaelmiglino6512 2 роки тому +39

    How can you not pickup on Marty Friedman’s incredible soloing?
    All three are completely insane masterpieces.

  • @Marionettetc
    @Marionettetc 2 роки тому +7

    I'm a huge megadeth fan and have been for a long time, and also went to school for music and I appreciate your take on the song.
    A lot of comments are butt hurt you're not worshipping the song, but I find what you do point out to be very interesting. It's a very unique look into how a classically trained musician hears something he's not very familiar with.
    You focus on the concept, lyrics, image choice over sections, key and time signature changes etc where as metal fans focus on song dynamics.
    You're allowed not to like music, everyone is. I still find your insight to be very valuable.

  • @cjbrewer3843
    @cjbrewer3843 2 роки тому +41

    Man, I watched some of your other reactions and felt you had some interesting insights, but I feel like in this video you came across very condescending to a heavy metal mainstay (I'm not even a fan of Megadeth really). They've been around for decades, still selling out massive shows around the world and you dismiss this song (easily one of the band's top 3 songs) because of your limited knowledge of the genre. As a composer I would expect you to be analyzing the total package of the song and how it works instead of keying into small areas that you don't like. All I ask is that you look at the entire piece. And a helpful hint? You come off very elitist and prude when you do metal and spend the majority of your reaction figuring out the key. The key is the least interesting part of any piece.

  • @MechanicalRabbits
    @MechanicalRabbits 2 роки тому +62

    On videos like this you can tell he's not a guitarist, I love his insight on harmony on songs where that's a main focus, but he always glances over guitar solos and pays little to no attention to what they're doing. With me they're always at the center of my attention when listening to music, hence why I love Megadeth hahaha

  • @43captrexkramer
    @43captrexkramer 2 роки тому +87

    First off, dude you talked through Marty's clean passage that leads us into Punishment Due, and then during his first solo. Missing out on the brilliance that is Marty Friedman, as for Dave I met him once and he spoke that way too. Which awe struck me 'cuz it was genuine and I'm considered a very angry person.

  • @sailgoal
    @sailgoal 2 роки тому +4

    Megadeth She Wolf live is one of the greatest underrated metal songs of all time. The guitar harmonies are amazing and the drum solo is amazing!

  • @williamconrad4176
    @williamconrad4176 2 роки тому +2

    your videos are great... i love this song, it takes me back to middle school and what i was headbanging to back then haha i wish you would talk about the rhythmic aspect and about the DRUMMER more often in your videos... this drummer is so good and so talented... maybe next time haha also... you need to react to PHISH... i'll post some recs...

  • @zimbabaloooba
    @zimbabaloooba 2 роки тому +195

    It's extremely hard to play this song. Technically, it's incredible. Mustaine's vocals are unusual.

    • @rgp1973ar
      @rgp1973ar 2 роки тому +25

      This guy talks the entire song, you can't comment a song if you don't listen to it.

    • @djek1976
      @djek1976 2 роки тому +1

      Hard to listen to also

    • @rusherdasher8826
      @rusherdasher8826 2 роки тому +8

      Bruh I can't believe anyone can play and sing this at the same time. It's nuts

    • @zimbabaloooba
      @zimbabaloooba 2 роки тому +2

      @@rusherdasher8826 i know......insane.

    • @realobama1100
      @realobama1100 2 роки тому +3

      @@rgp1973ar I agree dave mustaine should leave Megadeth and join the opera

  • @LordBaktor
    @LordBaktor 2 роки тому +157

    Constructive criticism: When analyzing Thrash Metal, focus on the syncopation and not the harmonies.

    • @briansullivan3424
      @briansullivan3424 2 роки тому +11

      Talk during the verses, and listen during the solos... that's where the real magic is. Friedman has some incredible links in this tune, and even Mustaine sneaks in one with some insanely fast bends and pull-offs. That's what thrash is about... riffs, drums, and solos

  • @trev6783
    @trev6783 2 роки тому +3

    Dave's got one of those voices that you may not like at 1st, but at some point, some song will pull you in and you become addicted to it.

  • @L1a7even
    @L1a7even 7 місяців тому +1

    the reviewer is underwhelmed, but completely ignores the gigawatts of energy Megadeth is pumping out.

  • @m.vondrake5534
    @m.vondrake5534 2 роки тому +110

    Dave Mustaine will be the first to tell you, he's not a vocalist.

    • @astro2691
      @astro2691 2 роки тому +15

      No he'll be the first to tell you he IS a vocalist, not a singer.

    • @pendleeldnep
      @pendleeldnep 2 роки тому +3

      @@astro2691 yep - language/definition is important here.

    • @joelmacdonald6994
      @joelmacdonald6994 2 роки тому +1

      Yet it still fits. Plenty of metal singers are not fantastic singers, but their voice works. Heck, I don’t think Ozzy is that great(in the singing way), but he knows how to use his voice perfectly. Love his artistry. Tom Araya never “sings”, but he is perfect for Slayer.

    • @m.vondrake5534
      @m.vondrake5534 2 роки тому +1

      @@joelmacdonald6994 Ozzy is ok. He knows what he can and cannot do. He has some iconic qualities. That downward vocal slide like you hear in Mr. Crowley for example. His other major quality is his structuring. While he doesn't write many of the songs or music, he knows how to restructure them for his style and best effects... Your point is well taken regarding Dave and Tom too for that matter.

    • @joelmacdonald6994
      @joelmacdonald6994 2 роки тому

      @@m.vondrake5534 being a vocalist first is something that some can’t manage. They try to sing, but it just doesn’t fit. Both have their place. Might be an unpopular opinion, but I love Myles with Alter Bridge, can’t stand him with Slash(save for a few songs). His cover of The Trooper was great. The guy can sing like hell, but he doesn’t always get it right.

  • @sethkaicer319
    @sethkaicer319 2 роки тому +70

    It's okay if you don't like it Doug. That's the beauty of the show man! Varieties of spice of life everybody.

    • @FeroVlkolinsky
      @FeroVlkolinsky 2 роки тому +1

      I think this was not a good proposal and thus the whole reaction is poor. I could've just watch the original video, there's simply no added value from Dough in this video as he does not know what to look for in this kind of music. Compared to Maiden videos, this is dull.

    • @sethkaicer319
      @sethkaicer319 2 роки тому +2

      @@FeroVlkolinsky this was not of my choosing my friend. Doug granted my request for Queen and Yngwie I never asked him for Megadeth!

  • @ksduathlete
    @ksduathlete 2 роки тому +5

    I remember buying this cassette tape. I was a Metallica guy. I wanted to not like it but I loved it. Yes people want the power in their music . I still do and I’m 53 now

    • @SeanEnginetechnology
      @SeanEnginetechnology 6 місяців тому

      Yep, had the tqe worn out Soo quickly, had to finally get the CD, a couple of times..

  • @tomkruze1304
    @tomkruze1304 Рік тому +3

    "Fast notes... not going anywhere." That describes all of Dave's guitar solos lol. But he always has a great secondary guitar player to back him up, and his riffs are killer.

    • @4md17
      @4md17 4 місяці тому

      not going anywhere?? when i first heard last daves solo i tought i would have an orgasm

  • @mlwsf
    @mlwsf 2 роки тому +49

    Director: "alright guys. Lose the shirts. This is serious business."

    • @herculesbrofister265
      @herculesbrofister265 2 роки тому +7

      On the home video they said it was filmed in an airplane hangar and was over 100 degrees in there. Marty or nick drank one of those huge jugs of Gatorade and didn't piss once, according to dave

    • @daveassanowicz186
      @daveassanowicz186 2 роки тому +3

      @@herculesbrofister265 it was Nick

    • @dylanstankewicz850
      @dylanstankewicz850 2 роки тому +2

      I guess they needa sell Skinny Jeans and Baby Oil

  • @hugolafhugolaf
    @hugolafhugolaf 2 роки тому +160

    The more vids I watch, the more I want to have a beer with Doug.

    • @werc85music
      @werc85music 2 роки тому +2

      Same!

    • @gamleskalle1
      @gamleskalle1 2 роки тому +2

      Herbal tea for me

    • @bghammock
      @bghammock 2 роки тому +1

      At the piano, please!

    • @phred23
      @phred23 2 роки тому +1

      Beer, whiskey, just about anything drinkable would work.

    • @hugolafhugolaf
      @hugolafhugolaf 2 роки тому

      Sounds like Doug needs to make it happen!

  • @shocktherapy9910
    @shocktherapy9910 2 роки тому +11

    I've only found your channel recently and generally enjoy your opinions and critiques of music you aren't familiar with. However, how can you not comment on Marty Friedman's choice of notes in the solos? Marty is one of the greatest guitarists of all time, everything he plays is faultless, considered and always melodic. If you don't like the song, that is fine, we don't all have to like the same things. But, to overlook the musicianship that is presented in the song is short sighted. Also, to say that the lyrics should go for organised crime over religious fundamentalism is really missing the point. Both are bad and should be targeted equally.

    • @johnperin6850
      @johnperin6850 2 роки тому

      Daniel, he talked over both of Marty’s solos. He cared more about whether they were changing keys than to listen to the actual playing. Guy is an idiot.

    • @zeiutzeiut
      @zeiutzeiut 7 місяців тому

      Because he's not at their level. That's why he makes youtube videos.

  • @fretbuzzly
    @fretbuzzly Рік тому +12

    This is not only one of Megadeth's best songs, this is a top 10 all time metal song. I've always described this song as "thoughtful". Yeah it's fast and in your face, but it's musical complexity is just amazing.

  • @jordanmaiden0073
    @jordanmaiden0073 2 роки тому +185

    I respect that you keep it real and don’t sugar coat your thoughts. I can totally see why this song doesn’t do much for you. From a guitarists point of view, the rhythm playing and Marty’s solos are nothing short of incredible and they’re considered legendary licks in the metal world. Try to pay more attention to the way Marty phrases and bends his notes during solos. He’s one of a kind.

    • @hamesparde9888
      @hamesparde9888 2 роки тому +3

      I love Marty's stuff but I'd also like to point out that in my opinion Chris Poland is actually really really good too. He's definitely got a different style but the way his solos on the second album just seem to "flow" to smoothly is pretty cool.

    • @mialarssen2627
      @mialarssen2627 2 роки тому

      That sounds killer: ua-cam.com/video/vIVxvXdZfO4/v-deo.html

    • @plankboi
      @plankboi Рік тому

      You said it better than I could.

    • @alangregg5520
      @alangregg5520 Рік тому +1

      His judgement is clouded by personal prejudice and Metallica bias. Simple

    • @dieguito1683
      @dieguito1683 Рік тому

      @@alangregg5520 his judgment is based off him being a classical composer lmao

  • @TheAbsorbant
    @TheAbsorbant 2 роки тому +567

    I think you're missing a lot of the finer points of this song. You're focusing solely on chord analysis, which really isn't the point of thrash metal.
    You completely missed how rhythmically complex the song is. You missed the fact that the riffs keep going back and forth between playing fifths and thirds (the latter being really unusual in metal at the time).
    Another big point is you keep going on about there not being much melody in the vocals (which I disagree with, I'll agree Dave's timbre isn't for everyone, but the song is plenty melodic), but you talk over both of Marty Friedman's amazingly melodic solos and don't give his very uniquely melodic and vocal-like guitar style a second glance.
    I almost get the feeling that you were expecting not to like the song and therefore didn't give it the same attention you do other stuff.
    Rhythm is at least as important as harmony and melody, especially in metal, and disregarding it doesn't make for a very interesting analysis.
    I usually like your takes in these reaction videos, especially of prog rock and prog metal, but I seriously think you dropped the ball on this one.

    • @sneepers1005
      @sneepers1005 2 роки тому +62

      Your comment is right on point you nailed it perfectly some people just have a way of breaking things down and when I read your comment I was like yes that's it that's the comment

    • @emarquez8604
      @emarquez8604 2 роки тому +7

      Get over it. Dave is the most overrated guitar player ever and this dude just exposed him.

    • @TheAbsorbant
      @TheAbsorbant 2 роки тому +42

      @@emarquez8604 How is missing every single aspect about the music but chord analysis "exposing" anything at all?

    • @emarquez8604
      @emarquez8604 2 роки тому +2

      @@TheAbsorbant he exposed Dave as being boring and one dimensional as a guitar player. Face it Dave is all speed and he still wasn't even the fastest. I'll never forget an interview with napalm death and one of the band memeber was talking about how fast they are and then he looked at the camera and said, "sorry Dave, it's just not fast enough."

    • @TheAbsorbant
      @TheAbsorbant 2 роки тому +45

      @@emarquez8604 Megadeth's riffs were often about unconventional rhythms. Not to mention the fact that Dave used thirds in his power chords in a genre that was all fifths. To then talk over Marty's beautifully crafted melodic solos saying there's no melody shows how clueless Doug is to anything but chord structure. I'm not being a Megadeth fanboi and there are many bands I'd rather listen to, I'm just saying he seriously botched this analysis.

  • @jordanvibert1307
    @jordanvibert1307 2 роки тому +1

    I enjoyed your take on this song. My band and I are working on this and let me tell you, it’s very difficult and contains a ton of interesting riffs. I learnt a lot from learn8mg this song. It’s a bit of a masterpiece. 🤘🎸🤘

  • @earlycuyler4019
    @earlycuyler4019 Рік тому +3

    I like the angry sound of Dave and his growls. Totally unique.

  • @andrewawakened628
    @andrewawakened628 2 роки тому +24

    Interesting that you don't seem to be able to appreciate the song for what it is. I mean, I've been blessed to have had the opportunity to have had a dinner at one of the most exclusive restaurants in New York City and I thoroughly enjoyed it, but at the same time I am still able to thoroughly enjoy a simple burger and fries. And its the same for me with music - I enjoy this song as well as songs that are infinitely simpler and more complex.

  • @CompleteProducer84
    @CompleteProducer84 2 роки тому +144

    The honesty goes a long way. Biggest turnoff for a reaction channel is when the reactor is in love with every single song they hear. I love Holy Wars (though I am not the biggest fan of Megadeth as a whole), but I can understand it not being for everyone

    • @DeckardRJ
      @DeckardRJ 2 роки тому +1

      Agreed!

    • @dr.phibesinred6066
      @dr.phibesinred6066 2 роки тому +4

      A lot reaction videos are just fake. Most of the people have heard the songs before, but then they act surprised to get a positive reaction from the viewer. There's that hip hop guy who's always freaking out to every metal song like he just discovered a cure to save the world. Doug knows what he's talking about and he says what he thinks, not acting and faking around.

    • @FeroVlkolinsky
      @FeroVlkolinsky 2 роки тому +3

      Thrash as a genre is not for everyone - as well as any other extreme metal subgenre (which thrash was first in the line of many). They all possess their own riffing styles, drumming styles and especially vocal styles. All of that creates a subgenre. If you expect melodic singing - no extreme subgenre will fit your ear. Dough as a classical music lover is not going to appreciate music whose main purpose is to be fast and aggressive. He's always looking for the classical harmonies and changing keys - thrash is simply not the genre using these techiques alot. You'll gonna hear a whole lot of open E 16th notes all over the genre, which is just boring for Dough and I understand why. One really needs to find its way to this kind of music or skip it completely. I remember very well how much I hated the early death metal and even most of simplistic thrash over Maiden back in 80s, I always found love with these genres when most techically skilled bands caught my ear - and Megadeth was my way into thrash with So far, so good ... so what?

  • @Richmondthefish
    @Richmondthefish Рік тому +3

    5 mins of a music nerd repeating "BuT tHeRe WaS nO key ChAnGeeee!!!!"
    Imagine this dude attempting to have sex "doggie......ah were still in doggie. oh there is no range here honey! what we are back to doggie?"

  • @tobywoodard7
    @tobywoodard7 2 роки тому +15

    Wow. I have always found this song one of the most moving, powerful, emotional, and musically interesting I have ever listened to. Certainly one of the best from Megadeth and metal in general. I just don't understand how one so-called musical professional can have one strong take on this song, and another, just the opposite. Oh, well... each to his own. I will continue to rock on!

  • @julien2231
    @julien2231 2 роки тому +33

    I can understand your point. However i disagree about the vocals, i think his voice fits the music and the themes.
    Maybe give them another shot or two?

  • @AlpInceiplik
    @AlpInceiplik 2 роки тому +29

    ...and RIP for Nick Menza. He was so underrated.

  • @tomtomtom226
    @tomtomtom226 6 місяців тому +2

    You have no idea how difficult it is to sing at that tempo and play the guitar accurately at the same time.

  • @fabioriato
    @fabioriato 2 роки тому +21

    The good thing about you is that you always keep it real when it comes to your reactions.
    But let's talk a bit about what you might have missed. Mustaine's vocals: questionable, yeah. Even for us Megadeth fans they're an acquired taste. But the vocals, as well as the song itself, they're never really that much about melody when we're talking about thrash metal. Things rarely get really complex harmonically and melodically in this genre. It's more about speed, rhythm, riffing and the message. If you can't dig what's probably the best thrash metal song ever written, then probably Megadeth's not for you. Not that this is a problem, one can't simply like everything, right!? 😅 I'm pretty sure you'll be reacting to stuff you like better in future videos.

    • @tompatchak8706
      @tompatchak8706 2 роки тому +2

      And especially with Dave remastering the older albums. He added more vocals, extra solos and more Dave. I don’t care for the remastered songs

  • @mattvideoeditor
    @mattvideoeditor 2 роки тому +59

    This track is about rythm, not melody. However I must point out that Dave wrote beautiful harmonics in his later works like Youthanasia or Countdown to Extinction albums.

    • @iceblade019
      @iceblade019 2 роки тому +3

      Yeah, songs like A tout le Monde and Trust are pretty melodic

    • @Brooklyn_Ann
      @Brooklyn_Ann 2 роки тому +8

      Youthanasia is so criminally underrated as an album.

    • @F1stzz
      @F1stzz 2 роки тому +1

      @@Brooklyn_Ann which is Dave's personal favourite one.

  • @ebguitarist375
    @ebguitarist375 2 роки тому +88

    we need Change of Seasons by DT, 23 mins you know what that means when DT does that... ;)

    • @bigstam1234567890
      @bigstam1234567890 2 роки тому +2

      exactly

    • @futurewavecs
      @futurewavecs 2 роки тому +3

      Great song.

    • @ttaz5397
      @ttaz5397 2 роки тому +1

      Both versions!

    • @esegueojogo
      @esegueojogo 2 роки тому +1

      I'd even make a "caipirinha" to watch that reaction

    • @matthewdrews
      @matthewdrews 2 роки тому +7

      He should make all Fridays DT Fridays. Would be the best way to start the weekend.

  • @mattvogler3844
    @mattvogler3844 2 роки тому +24

    Doug will never understand. He's not one of us. He never will be. He's from an entirely different world. Many of us came from broken homes. Alcoholic or drug addicted parents. Abuse survivors with anger issues. Thrash metal spoke to us. It does not speak to Doug.

    • @abebrazil4309
      @abebrazil4309 2 роки тому +8

      This is true but also I think anyone with an ear for music would say this is a very good song at the lowest. This guy is very biased and talks of metal as if it’s orchestra music. Talks over best parts of the song, says it’s not melodic, says the guitar isn’t good, says the singing isn’t good, genuinely isn’t interested. This guy is just a narcissist, unable to look at things from other perspectives. I don’t think anyone should really take his word on if a song is good or not. It’s like a boxing coach criticizing an mma match because he doesn’t understand takedowns, submissions, ground and pound, elbows, knees, kicks. This is literally the only review of this song I’ve seen on UA-cam that was negative.

    • @Digital_PeterGriffin
      @Digital_PeterGriffin 2 роки тому

      Doug has some bad takes in the video, but please get over yourself

    • @mattvogler3844
      @mattvogler3844 2 роки тому

      @@Digital_PeterGriffin Says the hypocrite

    • @KyleJPie10
      @KyleJPie10 2 роки тому

      @@abebrazil4309
      "This is literally the only review of this song I've seen on UA-cam that was negative."
      That's because Doug has built his channel on being authentic rather than pandering to people that just want everyone to think their favorite songs are all sunshine and rainbows like you.
      I love seeing all of the pretentious Megadeth fans in the comments here trying to convince themselves that the band is somehow beyond Doug's understanding of music. Megadeth has always catered to kind of a niche crowd within the metal community, and they've never really been a band that transcends those boundaries despite trying to in the 90s. It is what it is, Doug doesn't like it and doesn't have to.

    • @Digital_PeterGriffin
      @Digital_PeterGriffin 2 роки тому +2

      @@mattvogler3844 “Megadeth saved me 😫. You guys just don’t get it like I do 😖😫”

  • @sergioboccia6020
    @sergioboccia6020 Рік тому +2

    The guitar parts are pure diamond here. The quality here is not in the macro structure, but in the details.

  • @RogerSullivanNOLA
    @RogerSullivanNOLA 2 роки тому +29

    One of the greatest metal songs, IMO. Mustaine's vocals are an acquired taste.

  • @metalpractor5150
    @metalpractor5150 2 роки тому +43

    Amazing. You could be musically literate but not esthetically inclined to the art of music. Are we all idiots, thinking this is a masterpiece? You have to step out of the orchestra pit and into the mosh pit to appreciate this. It is not Neanderthal either though it is aggression through the esthetics of heavy, fast, and distorted sounds. Dissonance and gruff vocals sell the sensibility of angst, while clear vocals would only be reflective. To be a fan of realism and then review impressionist art takes a sensibility that some art connoisseurs don’t posses. Monet sucks because he used basic markings without extreme precision or detail is a criticism that falls embarrassingly flat. Don’t tell me about “only staying in the key of E”, when you have all this brilliance going on. It’s nice to be honest with your own perspective, but “I really don’t mind if you sit this one out.” Good channel though.

    • @bobmoretti4893
      @bobmoretti4893 2 роки тому +9

      Spot on, brother. I wish I could've said what you just said.

    • @sayanmandal2246
      @sayanmandal2246 2 роки тому +5

      Extreme metal is not everyone's cup of tea or coffee, whatever their preference.
      Doug is a connoisseur of harmonies and melodies. He does not understand the complexities involved in heavy music. Like I remember him liking the acoustic version of Demon of the Fall by Opeth while his reaction for the original studio version was bland. He was instantly put off by the heavy guitars and of course the growls.
      But then again we should not blame him. The same thing would happen to us (metal lovers) if we had to react to most modern pop music.

    • @metalpractor5150
      @metalpractor5150 2 роки тому +6

      @@sayanmandal2246 I understand what you are saying and I didn’t mean to offend, so much as to put him in check. He directed some potent critical reviews toward Mustaine and megadeth. I felt it to be a disrespectful. Famous people should not be targets for flippant statements regarding their livelihood, nor should anyone else. He has influence on people as he claims musical expertise. We have to be careful with our opinions and very capable of stepping out of our bounds to wheel our expertise.

    • @reganmusicnz
      @reganmusicnz 2 роки тому +3

      @@metalpractor5150 meh, not really. People will like or dislike megadeth regardless of what Doug thinks lol

    • @sayanmandal2246
      @sayanmandal2246 2 роки тому +1

      @@metalpractor5150 No no brother. I wasn't offended. I actually agree with you. And your point about his influence on people is true. His words will negatively influence the people who are getting into Megadeth and thrash metal in general. But yes, Doug should have been more sensible and used better statements. He was too judgemental imo.

  • @megaborgcancun
    @megaborgcancun Рік тому +2

    you nailed it that is why i never really was into Megadeth , the fast guitars and riffs are really good but for me that was it , i never did a big though about why was like that, but now that i hear you i know why ,good review love it

  • @azrael666ethereal
    @azrael666ethereal 8 місяців тому +1

    It's Thrash Metal. It was a thing back then to not be melodic as the power of the whole band was more important.. The vocals in this I couldn't imagine being anything else. It's a classic of the genre..

  • @huseynaliyev538
    @huseynaliyev538 2 роки тому +217

    Sir, this is not progressive metal.
    so you don't listen to Opeth, Tool, Dream Theater or etc, don't expect anything like that. This is Thrash metal and this band is one of the best of this genre, even the best in my opinion. As an Opeth fan and Prog metal listener, I didn't like Megadeth at first but after listening to them for a while I realized what a great band they are. Maybe Dave's vocals is not great but it fits band style very well and his riffs and songwriting are just amazing.

    • @josephlicano8701
      @josephlicano8701 2 роки тому +9

      Totally agree! I love melody, and prog like yourself, and I always enjoyed megadeth but it wasn't after really getting into the catalog and after I got a little older that I grew to cherish megadeth to the point that they're one of my favorite bands of all time. They are one of the greatest thrash bands ever.

    • @Capitaomac1
      @Capitaomac1 2 роки тому +6

      I would say Megadeth is one of the few progressive thrash metal bands.

    • @KabukiKid
      @KabukiKid 2 роки тому +3

      Yeah, thrash seems not to be his taste... that's understandable. It surely isn't for everyone.

    • @marcello9476
      @marcello9476 2 роки тому +3

      i would say that, megadeth was definitely progressive thrash, especially when this song was written

    • @biscobisco1882
      @biscobisco1882 2 роки тому +2

      Megadeth is absolutely progressive in its approach - they may have a thrash 'sound' and not a typical prog 'sound' (no synth, operatic vocals, etc.) but their song structures, the soloing, odd time signatures, etc. are all there and they're all progressive.

  • @immanuel_cunt7688
    @immanuel_cunt7688 2 роки тому +40

    Maybe thrash is the wrong subgenre to analyse, it's about speed, rhythm and brutality not about melody and harmonies!

    • @Benazgul
      @Benazgul 2 роки тому +4

      Yes, Thrash Metal as a whole, isn't very harmonically complex. Some bands play more melodic though. Metalheads listen to Thrash for the reasons that you mentioned. However Progressive Thrash Metal could be harmonically and rhythmically more complex. Perhaps Doug should react to it but I doubt it. Not many people would request bands like: Voivod, Artillery, Coroner, Toxik, Realm, etc...

  • @Yupppi
    @Yupppi Рік тому +3

    This is one of the key albums of metal music in the 80's-90's, incredibly influential to almost all metal guitarists. Marty Friedman really did something unique on the leads of this album (perhaps better shown in some other songs). He had a lot of japanese influences growing up in Hawaii and playing more folkish music. He combined those ideas with the angry metal base and his very interesting rhythmic flows on guitar, it's really rare to hear someone play guitar like that. I recall his style emulated some other instrument in that style of music he listened to, I just forget which.
    Regarding Dave's voice, it's like most metal bands: didn't have a vocalist, had to do it yourself. I guess a lot of it is also how difficult the riffs are to play so even if he was a good singer, he was limited in what you can pull off doing at the same time. It's 100% an acquired taste. You have to fall in love with the music and then your Stockholm syndrome gets strong enough that the vocals just belong in the songs like that. They're not good but they belong there and it wouldn't be the same done another way.
    I think you should maybe do A Tout Le Monde by Megadeth, give them another chance and see a completely different face. After those most intense energetic youth years, going from political commentary and anger to loss and saying goodbyes to loved ones. You might find it worlds more interesting in every measure. Composition, performance and vocalwise. It's emotional and even has acoustic guitar. There's also a later rerecorded version in different tuning and a female vocalist (amazing vocalist too, Christina Scabbia).

  • @tachnutz
    @tachnutz 2 роки тому +12

    Sir…. First of all, feel free to pause the track if you have something to say. You talked over amazing parts of this classic masterpiece! Listen to what the guitars are doing! Dave and Marty together are an amazing duo! I feel you listen to metal much like a girlfriend would. Listen to it. Give this one a part 2. Try again and don’t talk through it. Accept Dave’s voice.. It works, trust me. The complexity is there! Oh and to completely talk over Marty’s acoustic breakdown??? Do you understand how complex that is? Most guitarists have to “fake it” a little just to “nail” that.

  • @Trygvar13
    @Trygvar13 2 роки тому +31

    I wasn't a big fan of Megadeth in the 80's but over time I came to like them much more than Metallica. Dave's technical skills are out of this world. I still can't do his spider chords after 30 years of constant failures. I'm a bass player but I also like playing guitar now and then. My favourite bassits are Steve Harris, Geezer Butler, Geddy Lee and Jason Newsted.

    • @DM-rc4yu
      @DM-rc4yu 2 роки тому +3

      Well the fact you're a bass player kinda explains it. Mustaine isn't that amazing.

    • @PgsKb
      @PgsKb 2 роки тому +5

      Steve harris is the man

    • @Sklen34
      @Sklen34 2 роки тому +1

      No Cliff Burton???

    • @Trygvar13
      @Trygvar13 2 роки тому +5

      @@Sklen34 I do like him but Jason Newsted was my favourite. He is so underrated.

    • @inspectorbudget
      @inspectorbudget 2 роки тому +2

      @@DM-rc4yu I bet you are tho

  • @davidtheloafward
    @davidtheloafward 2 роки тому +17

    Appreciate the reaction, Doug. Very refreshing to hear you dislike things instead of dishing out constant praise as some other YT creators do. Megadeth and other thrash bands have always been about aggression and energy rather than melody, and while I like that, I can completely understand why others might not.

  • @someoneelse101
    @someoneelse101 Рік тому +1

    There was the thing that happened in Northern Ireland that forced them to complete their Irish tour in 88/89 in an armoured van and The Punisher

  • @2015DMJG
    @2015DMJG Рік тому +1

    They used to criticize Mozart back in the day too. The vocal wasn’t supposed to be melodic. It was a color to match the lyrics as was the music. It was angry. it was conveyed well and executed flawlessly

  • @Nihilitia70
    @Nihilitia70 2 роки тому +27

    I figured that he wouldn't like this. He would probably like or appreciate some deeper cuts more like Good Mourning/Black Friday, Bad Omen, In My Darkest Hour, Captive honor, etc

    • @runescapewarrior66
      @runescapewarrior66 2 роки тому +1

      Oh man, sad that in my darkest hour is a deep cut, I think that's my favorite song by megadeth.

  • @HurtboxTV
    @HurtboxTV 2 роки тому +56

    The highlight of the album was really Marty Friedman, the guy who did the two guitar solos. He wrote some fantastic stuff on Rust in Peace. Tornado of Souls, Five Magics, Hangar 18, and Lucretia are my personal favorites off the album.

    • @sophiaperennis2360
      @sophiaperennis2360 2 роки тому +2

      No, he wasn't. Mustane wrote most of the album and Elfman wrote the rest. Both were writing good songs before Friedman joined in, and even though Megadepth declined (as do most metal bands), some ok song writing still happens while Friedman became a clown.

    • @josephtamborra1321
      @josephtamborra1321 2 роки тому +12

      @@sophiaperennis2360 Danny Elfman didn't play in Megadeth. I think you're confusing him with the bass player, Dave Ellefson. ;)

    • @JohnLRice
      @JohnLRice 2 роки тому

      Agreed! 👍

    • @themechanix8804
      @themechanix8804 2 роки тому +4

      Marty just wrote the solos, the album was completely done when he joined. Of course hes one of the reasons why Rust in Peace is so great, but if he hadn't joined the band I believe the album would have the same impact even with another guitarist like Chris Poland or Dimebag.

    • @da9pauly
      @da9pauly 2 роки тому

      The songs were written before Marty was hired. He had to learn the songs to lay down the tracks for recording but everything was written on that album before he joined Megadeth. Marty actually had a tryout scheduled with Madonna but tried out for Megadeth just before that tryout was and got hired for Megadeth.

  • @ronnyrudeboy7461
    @ronnyrudeboy7461 Рік тому +2

    One of the best metal song ever

  • @troyanthony3717
    @troyanthony3717 3 місяці тому +2

    This review bought to you by someone who does it with the lights off and blankets on.

  • @rasmusolesen5307
    @rasmusolesen5307 2 роки тому +144

    Dave doesn't sing. He "snarls" ;)

    • @bman8366
      @bman8366 2 роки тому +5

      Yup, I think that sums it up perfectly! :-)

    • @Umbra_Nazgul
      @Umbra_Nazgul 2 роки тому

      @@bman8366 you guys are pathetic.

    • @JohnLRice
      @JohnLRice 2 роки тому +2

      If a honey badger could sing and was in a metal band, it would likely sound similar to Dave Mustaine?

    • @inspectorbudget
      @inspectorbudget 2 роки тому +3

      Exactly. People expect singing from him. His music doesn't require singing per se. The snarl fits perfectly to their attitude & subject matter.

    • @inspectorbudget
      @inspectorbudget 2 роки тому

      @@JohnLRice People said the same shit about Geddy Lee.

  • @atomicvinylreviews3420
    @atomicvinylreviews3420 2 роки тому +67

    Wow. There's something surreal about a metal masterpiece like that just flying over someone's head like that...

  • @jetchavz
    @jetchavz Рік тому +3

    I feel this dude. When I was a teen, I had fun with a game called Band Master. My favorite songs throughout the game are Tornado Souls and Heroes of Our Time. I immediately fell in love with Tornado Souls riff and find it unique. I searched for the song and dude I was very disappointed when I heard the vocals (at this time I am already a fan of Metallica's MOP). I hate it hahaha. Then after a decade, I am proud to say that David Mustaine is now one of my favorite vocalists 😂 I can't stop listening to TS, Holy Wars, and Symphony of Destruction.

  • @mikec9729
    @mikec9729 2 роки тому

    Come on Doug! I'm a new subscriber to your channel only a couple of months ago I love everything that I watch so far you break a lot of insight into the music for a non-musician like myself. I've been a music lover my whole life I took a guitar lessons when I was a little kid just didn't have the knack for it even though I loved it Dave's voice is Fantastic for the type of music that they play that song Holy Wars is fast can't keep my foot from keeping the beat it rocks.

  • @kennyobrienaiti
    @kennyobrienaiti 2 роки тому +164

    Can't believe someone would be some ambivalent about one of the greatest songs of all time. From the moment I heard it 30 years until now, a song of the highest quality.

    • @Ebbywebby
      @Ebbywebby 2 роки тому +6

      Can't believe someone would assume it's "fact" that this is one of the greatest songs of all time.

    • @DreadPirateBob
      @DreadPirateBob 2 роки тому +1

      Not even one of the greatest Megadeth songs. Cool jam though

  • @ManuFortiMcCoy
    @ManuFortiMcCoy 2 роки тому +28

    So surprised you didn't point out the middle eastern transition on the guitar. Not something you expect to hear in metal. Would have loved to hear your thoughts on it's use in this song.

    • @chickenman7252
      @chickenman7252 2 роки тому +1

      Aren't middle eastern transitions pretty standard in thrash?

    • @Johnny.Picklez
      @Johnny.Picklez 2 роки тому +2

      @@chickenman7252 Egyptian style progressions are pretty popular especially with iron maiden songs and heavy metal but it's still incredible putting aside from the fact it's not even a sitar or instrument you might expect it's an electric guitar producing that sound it's an incredibly challenging piece that many classical guitarists might find challenging. Extremely impressive, and surely not standard

    • @Littlewing1977
      @Littlewing1977 2 роки тому +7

      He was too busy talking and hating on clothing

    • @Nalianna
      @Nalianna 2 роки тому +2

      He probably didn't hear it while talking over it.

  • @peterbrown2112
    @peterbrown2112 2 роки тому +1

    Well, they had a guy set to audition for the lead vocalist, but he never showed up, so Dave said "fuck it. I'll sing."
    He definitely doesn't have to range and dynamics of most vocalists, but I can't imagine anyone but Dave singing for Megadeth.
    He will grow on you.
    But as far as guitar, personally I think Dave and Marty were definitely the best in the business at that time.
    This was the ultimate Megadeth lineup.
    With Nick Menza on drums, Dave Ellefson on bass Marty Friedman on lead guitar, and Dave Mustaine on rhythm/and lead guitar and vocals!
    The fucking best!
    Say what you will about Dave's vocals, but also remember that he is shredding the hell out of the guitar at the same time.
    I still have a hard time playing and singing old Johnny Cash tunes. Singing while playing guitar, that shit is not easy. And yes, I suck.
    Maybe one dad throw that motherfucker in the firepit. But not today. Today, I still believe!
    Be safe out there people!!!
    "RUSSIANS GO FUCK YOURSELVES!"
    Ukrainian13
    🇺🇦✊❤
    FUCK RUSSIA!!!

  • @nateg4236
    @nateg4236 2 роки тому

    This is why music is so amazing. There is a different kind for every taste out there. This is among my top favorites. It does something to my emotions that had a huge impact on me at a young age. Been playing guitar for 20ys now. I love ALL music. But my heart is always metal. 🤘

  • @biraoliverio
    @biraoliverio 2 роки тому +13

    The current Megadeath guitarrist is Kiko Loureiro, he started his career with the Brazilian band Angra playing a mixture of power metal, classical and Brazilian music, a song that I recommend hearing from Angra is Holy Land from the album with the same title.

  • @Equimanthorn80
    @Equimanthorn80 2 роки тому +32

    I can understand this type of metal being uninteresting for someone looking for rich melodies, key changes and all of that stuff. Anyone who follows this channel shouldn't be surprised by your reaction. That said, Friedman's solos are nothing short of astounding and, for a guitar player, most of Megadeth's stuff, particularly from that album, is way, way more challenging than anything Iron Maiden has ever done. So, I don't know if dismissing the guitar work like that is entirely fair. Mustaine vocals have no merit beyond being a way to deliver the lyrics, but he's one of the best rhythm guitar players out there... And kind of a terrible person, but that's a whole different debate.

    • @FeroVlkolinsky
      @FeroVlkolinsky 2 роки тому

      And the second best riff writer in the whole metal genre, first being Chuck Schuldiner. And that I write as a huge Maiden fan.

    • @Celatra
      @Celatra 2 роки тому

      @@FeroVlkolinsky no, the best writer is Mikael Åkerfeldt. Chuck's songs are a bit too predictable and one dimensional

    • @FeroVlkolinsky
      @FeroVlkolinsky 2 роки тому +2

      @@Celatra I said riff writer… not song writer - very different categories

    • @Celatra
      @Celatra 2 роки тому +1

      @@FeroVlkolinsky even so i stand by That Opeth's riffs are more Original than death's. How many times have you heard stuff like Demon Of The Fall, Serenity Painted Death, The Moor, Heir Apparent, April Ethereal, Ghost Of Perdition, etc
      Death's riffs are pretty standard, excluding everything from Individual to TSOP

    • @FeroVlkolinsky
      @FeroVlkolinsky 2 роки тому +1

      @@Celatra hundreds, especially Ghost. For me Death's catalogue starts with Human , so you basically exclude every Death record that is great… I too stand by my previous statement. And that's the beauty behind music - we're both right.

  • @coolpeoplethings
    @coolpeoplethings 2 роки тому

    I’m new to music theory and all that and I appreciate your insightful videos on different forms of music.

  • @sentineloffreedomforever1381
    @sentineloffreedomforever1381 2 роки тому +2

    When this song came out I was just about to enter Kuwait I bought this tape when we stopped in Lauderdale to resupply and then shipped off to Iraq by way of Kuwait I was in the navy SWCC That's all we played until we deployed hot 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 Best time of my life because of the song... And by the way Dave's the best metal singer in the world!